 All right, Ted, I want to start with this is probably the most important first place for us to start with and then we're going to get into what we were talking about in the intro is how did you at such a young age because we we talk about this so much on the program is parsing for signal and inspiring young kids, particularly to parse for signal related to not only what are the most ancient spiritual understandings of metaphysics and the nature of reality, but also around what are the most cutting edge sciences, and then bringing those two together, and, and also the kids unique gift and identifying you at such a young age were able to figure out how to get how to how to parse for that signal and became and achieved all of your medical successes so much earlier than most people do, how did you figure all of that out how did you begin parsing for that signal at such a young age. Actually, and I have said this before and I insist on it, especially on children is not to stifle their curiosity, you push your kids and younger people to be curious about things. And for the parents, not to be to provide path answers to things like God made this and God made that and suddenly, you know the child becomes lazy what I call intellectual sloth that plagues our society, right. You allow them to discover you allow them to get bored and they watch a cutter, a cutter pillar and then they wonder what happens to a cutter pillar. You know, when you when you couple that with the proper guidance and, you know, a certain industriousness and the part of the parents or on the teachers to nurture the curiosity with the proper facts. Right. And then you could actually instill in in in a child that there are certain patterns that nature follows. Yes. And then when and then when they realize that the nature follows certain patterns, and then they could realize that, okay, then there is such a thing called mathematics that is the science of abstract pattern. You could see that because you could abstract, for example, X plus X equals to X and one apple plus one apple equals to apples. Right. Yes. And but then when it's why it's, you know, X plus Y is a one apple plus one orange equals one apple and one orange then you could immediately see that the pattern can be immediately abstractible and then you instill in them a love for abstract patterns. And that that will that will spur them into, you know, more curiosity about well what other patterns exist and pretty soon, you know, for mathematical purists out there, for example, they really love the beauty of being able to abstract those patterns and they make these discoveries in this way. But for us who are, you know, I'm undergrad in biology right and, and for me it's looking at the, what fascinates me and what drives my curiosity. Always, even as a younger child is how did we evolve, you know, how did we come to be this way. What were the factors when there that's why, for example, an interest in evolutionary biology is, you know, I, you know, it should be taught to everyone, because it shows you how we have called how did we get here. Right. And then as you much for you should be taught the new field now that there's a new field called evolutionary psychology right why do we why do we behave the way we do. Yeah. And when you see that that's shaped by evolution. And it's also in evolution is shaped the way the brain is wired the way we're wired. Right. And then, and then for us to be understanding the economic economics where we're in everyone should be taught, you know, game theory evolutionary game theory, you know, these are things are fundamental but you could see what I'm driving up. Right. Yes. One is the capacity to see patterns what's the definition of genius right. Yes. Is is the capacity to see patterns where others say that there are none and the patterns exist. Right. And the definition of madness is the capacity to see patterns where others say that there are none and they're really none right so There is the thin line. Yes. But, and even if you take a look at IQ tests and all the kind of stuff, you know, it's really your capacity to to see patterns and to do abstractions through those patterns. Yes. And the clearer you see them, you know, the faster the faster you are at looking so I have this concept, Alan, of what I call I like verbizing nouns so And I love fractal mathematics. Right. So, you know, I look at the core pattern, you know, what gets iterated over and over what gets repeated over and over. Right. So for evolution, it's really very simple. And, you know, it's, it's a random variation and natural selection. Right. And that's Darwin's version, but now we have already abstracted that. Right. So we have, we have essentially random variation and, you know, environmental selection, but the unit of selection now differs. Right. So for Richard Dawkins, for example, you could see that his unit of selection is a gene is the gene that's being selected for for Darwin it was populations. Right. And I was hearing an evolutionary biologist from Harvard actually interpreting this all wrong. You know, that the unit of selection in Darwin's case is not the individual it's the population that's being selected for right. It's kind of like pre industrial England right when when there were lots of white moths and then suddenly with industrialization there was a lot of suit around and suddenly the black moths started to getting selected for because they could conceal better and the white moths started getting eaten by the patients because they could be seen. They could be seen right so you could see very easily that these are the kinds of things that that selection does, but the unit of selection is different for memes which was introduced by Dawkins right with not the bastardized internet meme that we have now but it's the unit of selection for society and culture right when you are going to school they what they're doing is they're transferring memes right and memes are leaving like genes they're like viruses they transfer right and these are these are like you know say things like like maxims like you know the early bird catches the worm right and I like to bastardize that a lot I say the early bird catches the early worm because you could see how this little memes would affect your behavior right so so you could see that it all stems from early on pushing pushing the curiosity, allowing for the child to identify you know that the certain core patterns are that get repeated even if it's hidden right and then an abstraction of that pattern to something else that's manipulable right yes yes so now you could see a child growing to manipulate you know a geometry of 64 dimensions you know which you could never imagine right because introspection is usually all wrong right because you cannot imagine a geometry of something that has 64 dimensions but you know sure there are geometries now that are occurring beyond space and time so you know if you for example it occurs to them that hey you know I can regard space and time as illusion and physics is finding now the space time is an illusion so you could see the ramifications that are very vast and we need these kinds of motivations for the younger people not just to fucking survive and reproduce I mean because that's ordinary yeah that's so ordinary yeah that's as we do this within two standard dimensions as I like to say you know if that's what we do and then we we destroy this earth right and then so we go in spaceships and colonize another livable planet survive and reproduce wreck that planet again and go somewhere else I you know then we're not doing our job right we're not doing a job in in determining where we want to bring our species to and I I presume that this is the reason why you want to bring out podcasts like this is that you know how can we have a a species awareness that brings us forward to where we really want to bring ourselves to in relation to the network of other species that are out there in this planet. It is our one and only host at the moment right and we're destroying it at a really alarming rate you know so and then and then from and then from there is and then you go back like oh you know the reason where there's so many climate change and desires and all that is is you know I usually don't like to say this is it's just plain ignorance right. There's a certain as Dawkins likes to say you know there's a certain form of intellectual courage right in able to be able to do this to make these kinds of assertions and and that intellectual courage actually for example if you're looking at climate change you have to have a fundamentals of of the second law of thermodynamics at least but who wants to know that let alone want to know the structure of fermions and bosons and all and leptons and quarks. We evolved right we evolved to like to know stories because it's as that's how we evolved for survival right and for the production so we like to tell stories around you know that's why we're good at conspiracies we're good at all of these things that have plots and motivations etc but we're so poor at statistics like for example you know the the amount of car accidents are a lot more than taking a plane for example. And we cannot realize that right because we are made for a nomadic group of five to seven people were not intended to take a look at populations. You know certain laws are formulated that way or regulations are formulated the way that the seat belt law you know Massachusetts didn't want to do the seat belt law because it crinkled their clothes right but from a rational. They were the last ones to enact it in law but you know from from from a from a rational point of view means are you thinking statistically and this is the effect you know from when you get child curious and then you know superimposing science and mathematics you know and and evolution how we evolved and how we came to think this way then there is a chance for us not to think this way to think in a different way right. Yes, and so we can we can think of different solutions right yes for different solutions for issues and for the end that's why I was thinking about health right you know we say we're talking about health optimization I know you're already gone far right. Yeah, let me hit let me hit the ball back and then we'll keep going this okay this this intro segment has been really awesome how you how you explained when the child is it has the full curiosity fully enabled. And then also there is the guiding influence of of intelligent parents that have understood that there are these patterns that emerge and then by in a sense abstracting out those patterns into Pareto efficient ways of teaching the child about those patterns and also for the child to they themselves watch those patterns and for them to fully embody the recognition of those patterns, including the patterns of things like why there's perennial spirituality around the entire planet, pointing at the same nature of reality understanding. So then there's this big synthesis that happens for the kid as they follow their creativity and they follow their curiosity and their understanding the science patterns and the spiritual patterns and they understand their own unique artistry role. I really like that and also, I like just the classical bell curve understanding where in that center is just this idea of okay, have fun and reproduce, and then on like on the on the, on the non progressive side is still notions of wanting to own other humans or kill, and then on the hyper progressive side these strokes of genius these kids that and adults that maybe two or three standard deviations up the bell curve are usually the ones that like you said are able to abstractly reason these patterns in new creative ways in solving the greatest challenges that exist and creating the greatest art. And I like that a lot. As long as as long as the people within two standard deviations don't drown out, you know, those people. Yes, and it's very easy to drown out because as people who are wired for survival and production. That's the even our symbolic manipulation is such right here to memorize the characters in your telenovela, then it is, or in your daytime so then it is to memorize the families of course and weapons. Yes, yes, because they have no story right. So we need to tell the story. We need to tell an exciting story that makes it even more fun to know about the families of elementary particles and beyond. And well, you know, and then, you know, make them question it later, are there really families of elementary particles is there, you know, like, like a Donald Huffman in the case against reality in this book right, you know, is this really what it is, you know, is what we're seeing what we're seeing or is it. Yeah, yeah. And, and that's curiosity, right, and that's curiosity. I like your point is very right that center of the of the bell curve if if the idea that I've been pushing around a lot is that the people that are in a sense two or three standard deviations up the bell curve, their general purpose in a sense also is to help the people that are in the in the in the maybe one standard deviation to zero range up the bell curve to help them do a pull up in a sense to go to the next level. So basically, you know, like Eric Weinstein has the idea of the portal, like the idea that you can create a portal to help people in that center part of the bell curve, go through the portal through these stories and patterns that we can disseminate to them to inspire them to move up the bell curve. So let's just, let's just jump into, because we could spend, we could spend so much of our time in just that, in just that section is just the beginning. Okay, in general, yes, yes, one little thing, sharing 10 in 1946 47, you know, he had a he had a lecture Royal Royal Society, where he said that, you know, the movement of society as regards, you know, it's science technology, mathematics, etc. In any one of those fields, say physics, right. It's like an amoeba. It throws off pseudopods or false feet, right. You know, it goes in one direction, and all you need is just a few of those geniuses pulling and pulling and pulling, you know, until pretty soon the entire body of society is moved for that's So, and and and that's, that's what the best that we can hope to happen. Yes, yes. And what we don't like happening is like several of these pseudopodia being thrown in different directions. You want a strong pull towards the one so you could pull, you know, the, the, the sociocultural zeitgeist forward. Yes, yes, yes, you can pull the scientific zeitgeist. Anyway, yes, beautifully said. I love this first section. It was so powerful. Okay.