 It's weird, like, I just, there's a lot of people out there that are like, you just shouldn't make money off of doing this stuff. And it's like, oh, like those people just genuinely do not understand, like me doing life, the reason I'm considering doing live streaming, like four or five days a week all day long is because that's pretty much how long it takes me to do videos. Cause if you think about it all put together, like you have to come up with an idea, then you have to do, especially with us, like, like what we do content on, like you have to do a little bit of research, you know, prepare to be able to talk about it. And then record the video, then you have to edit the video. And if any, if you're anything like, like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume you're like me, you got to cut out some ums and ends, which means you pretty much have to rewatch the entire video, cut it up, add your Patreon stuff, thank people, you know, like you have to edit a video. That takes a lot of time. Then you got to render it out. Then you got to make a thumbnail. Then you got to upload it. Like it's a long and tedious process. Like it's, it's not unenjoyable. Like I enjoy doing it, but it's not something that you can do in 30 minutes. Like it's just, I mean, you could speed run it, but you can't do that every day. You might be able to do that once. I'm horrible at editing videos. Like I'm, I'm, I'm just not good at it. I've gotten better at it. Like I was really bad. Okay. So my first videos that I recorded, I didn't edit at all. Like I literally just, I didn't edit the audio and edit the video. I just put it all there completely unedited. I watched one of them the other day, like, oh my God, it is so bad. Then granted, those were before I decided I was going to show my face on camera and, you know, so I didn't have that video to edit. So it was just once I started recording with a webcam as well, then I decided I was going to start doing some editing. And even then I left most of the ums and going throughs and, uh, you know, those and I watched my old videos where I left that shit in. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? I know you had a video editor open. Like, what are you doing? So I didn't, so I didn't know that going through was a word, a phrase that I used over and over again until someone pointed it out to me about a month and a half ago. So I have 400 videos on the on the channel before that where I said going through at least once every other sentence. I had no clue I did. Like I realized that I said um and and a lot. As we all do. You know, and I got better at because I even took like a, like an online class in order to filter that stuff out. And the way they tell you to do it is when you, you have to think about as you're talking and you feel like there's going to be that filler word, just stop talking. Like instead of saying something, you just leave the silence because it's easier to cut out the silence. Right. So I learned, I still say it, but I'm much better at leaving the silence now, but that going through thing. Like I'm saying something like, well, you, and then you do this and then you have to go through and do this and this and whatever. And that, that phrase always appears in the middle of a sentence and cutting out something that is that close to other words is really hard. Right. Like, and, and also those classes too. Like a lot of a lot of people who have never taken those classes will also not understand how hard, how, how much time it takes to actually get used to doing that. It's not something that you're going to do in like two hours. And then you never say, I'm again, like you've been doing it your entire life and everyone has their own filler words. Oh, and the thing is, is like, there's some, like there's going to be people like me, like I'm never going to get rid of all of them. Like I'm way better than they used to be. But I'm always going to say, um, when I'm thinking of something, you know, all is always, I can never felt that give them all gone. It just wouldn't, it's just never going to happen. So I'm very impressed by the people who are like, if you see like the weather, like. Say what you want about the, what, like the meteorologists on TV. They never get the weather right, but man, can they improvise? You know, those guys are working off script. They never say, um, or, you know, or like anything like that. They may be crap at forecasting the weather, but they can talk. So I'm very over, always very impressed with those guys. By the way, we are, we are live just to let you know that. Yeah. And I was actually about to say for some reason, the live stream for me just shows an error occurred. Please try again later. You probably have to reset it because it says the excellent connection for me. Um, but, and speaking of that, in the chat, if we could get some yeas or an A's on the audio, let us know if everything is going fine there. I'd be appreciative. Yeas. Hello, I don't know Ivan from Russia. Um, I have to say Ivan from Russia, your name could not be more, you know, Russian. No, that's true. Like, um, oh, I guess it was coming. He could be Sergei, you know, I mean, it's like, it's like finding out like John Smith is not an American, like really. Joe Bob is definitely from somewhere below the Mason Dixon line. I'm just going to put that out there. Okay. There are, and for those of you guys outside of the United States, there are legitimately hundreds of thousands at least of people in the United States named Joe Bob, like that's their name. Like they were named that there's, you know, there's a ton of names like that, too. There are two first names DT DT's in the in the house. Hello, just speaking truths. Every single thing about making a video takes too long. Like it's just, it's a long process. And it's not that like any, like I'm not saying I hate it because I don't, I like it. I like the process of doing it. That's why I do it. There are moments when I hate it. So like that, that poly bar. Okay. Let me tell you a story. That poly, so you remember the poly bar video that I talked about for ages and ages. I had recorded it and it took me like months and months to even consider editing it, right? And that's because it was an hour and a half long. Like it was like an, it was like an hour and 42 minutes total runtime. And I did not want anything because I knew it was going to take forever. And it did. It took me four hours to edit that thing. The day after I uploaded that thing, the default config of poly bar changed for the first time in years. They got rid of the i3 config, the i3 module and replaced it with X workspaces in the default configuration file. So the entire tutorial that I did had a complete glaring error after sitting four hours of editing. That's pissed me off. I was so mad. TFL just popped into chat to you. Like not only was I laughing about that, but he also said what the heck happened to my eye, to my like eyebrows. Like I totally forgot about that. Like, so if just in case anyone does notice like pronto on you because you're like pretty aware of shit, I accidentally like, I was, I was like taking my electric razor and I sneezed like this is legit. What happened? I was holding it up. I had the like smallest like adapter clip on it and I was, I was going over like my beard and everything to get ready to shave and I sneezed and I like went up right here. So I was like, well, look, it just went all over it. You know, I honestly hadn't noticed. So yeah, that's true. I probably should turn this on. So you have some light. I didn't know if it would be that note. Like to me, it was noticeable, but none of my family said anything. So I was like, OK, people probably won't notice. No, they were just they were just being nice. They noticed they just didn't want to say anything. And TFO, TFO pops in the in the chat. First thing he says, hey, bro, what's happened with your guys? Well, the funny thing is, is like my family. No, they don't, they don't hide stuff to be. It's just weird. None of them noticed. Like I. I think it's funny that's that people online pay more attention to how I look than sometimes my whole family does. Like I've I've no lie. I have completely shaved my head from like buzz cutting it, and it been a full day before anyone here at my own house noticed I had done it. I shave. I cut my hair. The first thing my mom says is, oh, look, somebody got their ears lowered. She's been saying that joke since I was five. OK, it's tradition at this point. That's awesome. Yeah, one guy has ears lowered. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Excuse me. All right. So we're going to go ahead and get started. I think here I need to make sure that I have audacity open, which I actually do. Do not. Now I do. There we go. OK. And let's see here. I have the show notes open so I can see those. And I have the news links open so I can see those. So I think that I am ready to go. I believe I am ready to go as well. Titi, no one ever asked me if I did anything new with my hair. That's a ball joke. If you ever heard one, it's the greatest thing ever. One day, DT is going to take like three weeks off. We're never going to. We're not going to see DT for like three weeks. He's going to come back with hair and the whole world is going to freak the fuck out. I I think it would be just it would be priceless if he could get like the Moodahar like crazy like hair, like, you know, like three or four inches, right? Yeah, like just on that thing. It's just like really far out. Like if I feel like it would all even if he was to buy like a really convincing fake, like, you know, just like wig to go on and wear that in a video. Oh, that'd be freaking bright. Like just one day, a video comes out completely normal, you know, just regular old DT. The next day, he's got like just this Moodahar hair cut like he hasn't slept in three days. Like now it's got a second G feel in the background. All of a sudden, everything he does is in virtual machines. He's running windows and all that stuff to make sure he does his gaming. You know, that's great. Oh, God. All right. Let's go ahead and get started. I'm going to hit record. You ready to go, right? Yes, sir. All right. I'm going to record in audacity. I'm going to hit record in OBS and you can do the claps whenever you like. All right. Three, two, one. Not bad. Seems perfect to me. Yeah, not bad. Oh, by the way, if anyone notices that there's like a fan noise in the background, I don't know how much that's coming through or not. I apologize that, but I'm not turning those fuckers off. It's like 9000 degrees outside. So it's like I mean, it's May, by the way. If it's 90 degrees in May, we're fucked in August. Yeah. Yeah. Like I had to mow the backyard today and it was so hot outside. It was terrible. Like I swet through my entire t-shirt. It was like 40 degrees two weeks ago. We went we went we went from winter to summer. There was no spring. OK. And here we've had this is just a hilarious story. I'm just going to tell it real quick. We had this rain that came out of nowhere. It was perfect. Like it was a good, clean day outside. In the span of like 10 minutes, it got super cloudy, dark. All of a sudden it started raining and I mean, torrential downpour. It was raining so hard and and the wind was blowing so hard that the the rain was practically going sideways. And I had to go outside and grab the weed eater and pull it back because the like rain was just coming down into our back porch. So like I moved the weed eater back so it so it wouldn't get wet. And as soon as I move it back close to the door, I go to stand up and as I'm coming up, I see out of the corner of my eye just this bird and like not like a bird like with its wings out flying. Like this bird was upside down. Its legs were like spread like this. Its wings were like it like it was having like essentially like a seizure. It had no freaking idea what was happening. It flew in and hit the brick wall in front of me and like fell to the ground on on its feet, like landed on its feet and just like shook itself off. Like the wind was blowing so hard. This poor bird couldn't even fly and it got flung into a brick wall. Like it was torrential downpour. We haven't had it had a storm like that in forever. And it lasted like all of like 15 minutes and then just like left on. Yeah. So two things about your story there. One birds are freaking hard because they hit our windows out here all the time. And I swear to God, they only do it when they're out of bird food. Like you know that there's like a bird committee or something like that. All right, who's up? Who gets to hit the window? And then they fly so hard into the window. You like you know that birds like snapped his neck. Got there. There's some feathers on the window, but there's no bird. You know, the other thing when you're talking about the the bird flying around with his wings, I was just mad because you had the the rain going horizontal. I was like, is he describing a scene from Twister? Like how? Another cow. I've never I've never seen that in my life. I've never seen a bird. I sit like just flapping around like it. It the bird had no control over where it was going at all. And like, I mean, it shot into a brick wall and then just got up. It flew away. Like it waited till the storm passed and then just flew away like it was fine. So I'm like, OK, I've chucked I've chucked balls at like like when you're playing like wall ball or something like that, like in school. I've chucked I've chucked balls at walls like as hard as I can. And that's about how fast that bird was going. And he was fine as as nuts. All right, all right, balls at walls. Let's get going. Sorry, I just couldn't not. All right, let's start. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the next cast. I'm your host Matt and I'm Tyler. I started the podcast right as you took a drink. I did really good job there. All right. So this has been a day and we won't talk about it. We've already discussed it off air. I don't need to talk about my Walmart misadventures. But hey, it's not as exciting as it sounds. OK. And I got there's like a website like you see at Walmart or something like there's like a website where yeah, yeah, I don't want to be on that site because it's never a good a good thing to be on that site. No, but anyways. So this is the Linux cast. We talk about Linux things, believe it or not. It's right in the title. So if you came here expecting us to talk about windows or something like that, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you. We're not going to talk about windows, but instead we're going to talk about Linuxy things. So Tyler, my friend, what have you been doing this week in the world of open source and Linux? Well, I went back to I started out the week going back to open BSD, messing around on open BSD after I checked out Fedora 36 beta at the end of last week, like actually right before we were going to do the podcast and everything last week, I checked out Fedora 36 beta. It was great. It's it's really great. I like I really like GNOME 42. They've improved GNOME in a lot of ways. I'm not saying that I think GNOME is now like perfect, but the way to icon sets finally not turd. Oh, I know. It was so much better. So good. It's like, why didn't you do this years ago? It's a minor thing. You could have done this five years ago, and everyone would have been so much happier. I would like to in the thing is every time I said, I didn't like to add weight to a thing. There's that one guy like, oh, yeah, I think it's fine. And I'm like, all right, look, even if it's fine, like, fuck you if you don't think it could be better. And this is better. Like it's finally better. It's just unequivocally do not even try to argue the icon set of Adwaita is now much better. If I ever meet a person who says their favorite color is beige, I'm going to have some serious consideration on whether or not that person is saying or not. Well, I mean, regardless, you're not friends anymore. But definitely not. You were no longer in my friend group if your favorite color is beige, because I cannot be friends with someone who is so boring. Well, like that's a pretty depressive life. Like if you're like my favorite color is beige, like you just immediately go like, man, there must be like something hollow that person. Like, yeah, you remember those walls you had in school because every school has beige walls on the stone. You know, yeah, those walls were fantastic. I love staring at those walls just all day long. They give me so much inspiration. But so I went from Fedora to Open BSD. Open BSD was fantastic. Um. Getting back into Open BSD was good. I mean, I like Open BSD. And then I checked out BSPWM and SXHKD and I'm really liking it. Like I didn't the documentation didn't very much like on BSPWM. It was very so you you technical. You've checked out the man because where all the documentation for the BSPWM is in the man page, right? That's where all is, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's written like a man page. That's the reason why it's technical. Yeah, it's and see, like, that's the that's the thing that kind of turned me off about BSPWM is like. It was just hyper technical, like right off the bat. I'm like, I don't I don't I don't know about this. But it takes a turn out. It takes a while to get your head around pre-selection. Right. Once you get your head around pre-selection when you first hear the word, like, what does this pre-selection mean? You know, like it takes it takes a while. But one of the reasons why I don't use BSPWM isn't because it's not good, it's because I never use pre-selection. I just just use the regular tiling mode and it's fine. Same. And that's what I enjoy about it. I was like, as long as I don't have to, then we're fine. Yeah. Like if I can take advantage of it, that's cool. But as long as I don't have to. But anyway, but both of those are going great. I enjoy them. And as of today, I'm trying out. I want to do a little bit of gaming on steam. So I went ahead and I was going to install Linux. And I decided to go ahead and give Debbie another shot because like I just want something to be a little bit stable. And I'm I've I've had bad times and good times with Debbie. And so I wanted to see how she treat me. And yeah, Debbie and it was fine. It was easy to install, easy to switch over to like, you know, non free and all that stuff, get all the Wi-Fi firmware installed. All that stuff was easy, good and it's going good. I'm also about to do streaming for like four to five days a week. I'll be posting a schedule here shortly on Discord and on you. I'll make a community post. But yeah, I'm going to be streaming four or five days a week for eight hours a day. So I'm going to test that out and see if all time streaming is something people like on the channel and I like I think I'll enjoy it. But, you know, as we'll see, sounds like it's going to be good times. Yeah, my favorite version of Debian is MX Linux. And if I were to use a Debian based distro MX would be my choice. But anyway, so what have I done in Linux this week? I don't even, it has been a long, long week. So the biggest thing I've been working on, I guess, is been messing around with Samba. And when I say I've been messing around with Samba is that I've been failing to mess around with Samba because I've not gotten it to work. And I don't know why. I've gotten them to work in the past, but for whatever reason between this computer and that one, I can't get it to work. So for those of you who don't know what Samba is, Samba basically just allows you to create shared folders on one computer to other computers on the same network. That's basically what Samba does. And it's really good and it's really easy to set up. It gets not hard and I'm doing all the things, but it's for whatever reason. I can't get that computer to see the shared folders. And that's what I've been basically struggling with for the week. And I don't know why. I've been doing some research on it and who the hell knows. But yeah, it's just I chose Samba. T, if I'll ask why I chose Samba, it's just because it integrates really well with file managers and stuff. It's just easy. I could use SSH, but it seems to be too much effort, but maybe that's what I'll end up having to do. So the other thing that I did was that I rice I3 again. I rice I3 almost as often as Tyler distro hops. Almost. I say almost because it's not quite there, but it's close. You could step it up just a bit. I could ever. Through 30 races, 30 days, one, one a day. I should actually do that. It's a good challenge. Anyways, because it has to be a different color scheme every single day. But the thing is, it's like half of them would be variations of one dark, you know, because there's like 12 different variations of one dark. There's one half. There's there's the doom one, you know, they go, they're all basically exactly the same, but they're called something different. No, I mean, Adam's got its own version. There's actually too many versions of one dollar one dark. If we're being honest, there's a lot. If you just say one dark, like that's confusing as shit, because there's like eight different color schemes that you could be talking about specifically, which, which version of one dark. Yeah, the thing is, is I have a whole bunch of things for I three right now and not one of them is one dark. Like I like one dark. It's fine, but I don't care for all that much. I can use it too much. It's too used. I love drug box, though. Right now I'm on one. I'll save what I'm on right now for the picks, because I'm actually using the theme as my pick of the week. So or my thingie. Solarized. Yeah, it is not. Solarized. I would. Wow. I would like what you're too good for the best color scheme. I would murder my computer before I ever let that piece of crap theme on my computer ever. I'd put it out of its misery. I'd shoot it with a bird gun or whatever. This is a lot of projection. The biggest gun I could find. I'd shoot it right in the in its CPU hole. You know, when you're calm down, when you've come down from this anger and you've hit that logical step, don't worry. Solarized will be there to comfort you. It's OK. Allerized is a forgiving color scheme. OK, it's fine. It's fine. We'll accept you back with open arms. It's fine. I would rather become a Haskell developer. Than ever use Solarized. I don't know why you're laughing at that. It's 100 percent true. I know it is. I know you mean that. It's just so funny. Solarized is such it's not. I don't know. It's OK, man. Like it's fine. Like you can have these just objectively wrong opinions. We will still accept you. It's fine. DT says Solarized Light is objectively the best theme. I'm considering a band right now. 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Other times, you'll find just regular Linux videos on there pretty much seven days a week because I don't take days off because if you take days off, YouTube says, well, obviously you're dead or something. There goes everything on your channel. Excuse me. All right. So anyways, Tyler, each and every week, you and I search around the internet for the most breaking of news to have ever break broken. And we provide those interesting tidbits here on the podcast where you can't find these news articles anywhere else. It's 100% guaranteed. So Tyler, what is your news item of the week? Mine is, this is the one that I had. Actually, I believe this was for last weeks. But it was about Mesa's Rust ICL implementation and now manages Darktable OpenCL. So this is kind of just, it's a Rust language experiment for Mesa that's actually turned out into a completely working implementation of OpenCL 3 for Mesa. And this is kind of just, it's a really cool project that's actually being developed pretty intensely and it's coming along really well. And it's just interesting that somebody's taking Rust and they're just implementing Rust. Like this type of article is very cool for me to seek. So I'm like, Rust is just being implemented in so many different places. And it's being used in so many different things, which is really cool just because of how easy Rust is to use from an end user standpoint. Using cargo is really not, I don't think many people find cargo or whatever hard to use. Sometimes it can be a little finicky. But then again, welcome to compiling anything. Things can be finicky nowadays, especially with how many features the applications we have. So if for some reason anybody here is using Darktable OpenCL, well, works here, I have no idea the implications of this project, but it's just a cool one that I've been kind of just trying to keep up with. We should have talked about the NVIDIA stuff, but we can save that for another day. I actually was going to change my link to that. So we'll talk about it instead. Perfect. So yeah, I don't know any of what you've said about your article really means. I'm just going to put that out there. I understood the word Mesa. Like I knew what that was. But other than that, Rust, ICL, don't know what that is. But it sounds interesting. I'm sure it's great. I mean, it's written in Rust, so obviously it has to be good. Of course, of course. There's no way it can be bad. I thought you were going to go with Rust is the solarized of coding languages. You could have brought that false circle. That was a missed opportunity. I'm disappointed. All right. I'll get it next time. Yesterday, this came out of the woodwork. NVIDIA has transitioned to official open source Linux GPU kernel driver. And there's some confusion in the community over what exactly this means, right? NVIDIA is not making their driver like their actual driver that everyone mostly uses open source. Most of the stuff that they still do is going to be proprietary. Instead, they're making basically what, at least from what I understand, they're basically making what AMD does. They're doing something similar to what AMD has done. Because AMD has both a proprietary driver and the free and open source kernel driver. And that's what NVIDIA is doing. They're going to have a free and open source kernel driver, and they'll have the proprietary one that will have all the proprietary stuff that they require for all of their cool features. But still, it's a big turnaround from a company that has not been well known for doing good things for the Linux community. Honestly, I've always been 100% surprised that there's an NVIDIA proprietary driver for Linux at all, especially for desktop use. I could understand them making one for enterprise use or something. That would make sense. But as much as it feels like that company abhors the Linux community, the fact that it has existed as a proprietary thing for years, no matter how good or bad it is, has always been kind of surprising. But this news definitely surprised a lot of people in the Linux community, because I don't think that anybody ever actually saw it coming. There's been some speculation that this is in response to basically all the code being leaked anyways, because there's like a 30 gigabyte, I don't think it actually happened, but there's been speculation about it, right? No. It'd be interesting to know why they did it now, right? Some people say it's because of the Steam Deck. Some people say it's because of their increasing use of Linux in the server space. I don't even think it's that. I think it's most people now. Like, I mean, if you think about it, most people who don't know what computer to buy get advice from people who do use computers. And it's Linux usage, even though it's a small portion of the overall desktop market. If we're being honest, a lot of, if you think about it, like in homes, like you might have maybe three computers. At an office, you have 800. So the numbers for desktop use are skewed in Microsoft's like aspect, heavily in a corporate environment, heavily. But at home, actual usage, it's becoming more and more popular for people to use Linux. And so people are recommending parts, even if you don't use Linux for stuff that are probably gonna be, like if you ever wanted to choose. Like, it's the same thing. Like people don't buy graphics cards for the games that they're playing now. They buy graphics cards for the games they think they might be playing in two years. Typically, like if you've got the money to go buy a new card or whatever, cause yours is getting older or slower, like you're not gonna buy the absolute bare minimum. Most people won't, especially if you value bang for buck. You're not gonna spend money to get the best that's current that can just play what you play now. You're gonna buy the best that you can get for the money today that's hopefully gonna play the games that you're gonna play tomorrow. Like the same thing with computer parts. Like someone who knows what you probably need to get for a computer is gonna recommend something that will support things that you decide to do tomorrow. You might be running Windows today, but you might not wanna run Windows tomorrow. And if you don't wanna run Windows tomorrow, you're probably gonna go AMD. And that's probably something Nvidia knows. Like it's just, yeah, Nvidia's got a lot of features that AMD don't have, but like if we're being honest, most people don't give a shit about them. Like most people don't care about DLSS. Like I think it's cool, but most people don't care. Most people don't care about ray tracing. Like sure, ray tracing looks good, but I don't know about you guys, but like I've had ray tracing before. I could give a shit less about it. It's, I eat, but okay. And that's a lot of the Nvidia features. I have some things to push back on. First of all, I don't think that most people are going out and buying a computer based on operating system. They might wanna run someday. Some people, sure, there's a lot of nerds out there and Linux is definitely becoming more popular amongst nerddom, but random Joe Schmoff, the internet has never heard of Linux, doesn't give a shit about Linux and probably never will. When they need a new laptop because their last one shit the bed, they go to Best Buy, find the one that's the absolute cheapest. They don't care if it runs Chrome OS windows. They wouldn't care if it ran Linux if it had that option. They don't buy, yeah, like your most recent Windows computer. Nobody does that. They say, hey, that one's $300. I'm gonna buy that one. Or if they do have specific like needs or something like that, I wanna play Tomb Raider or whatever. Can that one play Tomb Raider? If the random minimum wage Best Buy Schmucket, you know, that stands there pretending to help people says, yeah, it'll play Tomb Raider, they buy that one. They don't care, again, what operating system is on it as much as we wish that they would, right? And same thing about going out and buying graphics cards. Now that one there is more likely than like if somebody, cause most people like random normies never buy a graphics card in their entire lives. When their graphics card gets too slow to do the things that they, when their computer gets too slow to do the things they need to do, they go buy a new computer, they don't buy. I mean, most people probably just have laptops anyway, so there's no replacing graphics cards in those anyways. The people who are going to go out and buy graphics cards, those people are more interesting to talk about because those are the type of people, cause if you know what a graphics card is and are interested in buying one and knowing how to actually put it into your computer, chances are then you're more technologically aware to know maybe what Linux is. That's where this kind of stuff is more interesting because it's those people that are having more of an effect on the expansion of Linux because those people know how to install Linux if they wanted to. Because if you know how to install graphics card chances or you probably know how to burn on a nice show and boot into your boot menu and stuff like that. Well, see, the thing for me though is is I think you're discounting the fact that most people don't just want the cheapest thing, especially when it comes to computers. Like computers aren't doughnuts. Like you don't just want the cheapest one. I don't know, I really want an expensive doughnut. I mean, I want expensive shit too, but like I feel like most people, like when you're going out to buy something, especially when you don't know what to get, you're going to ask somebody who knows what they're doing. And in most cases, those Best Buy guys are sadly the best that they got. But most, sometimes you get, I don't know, like my Best Buy like near me is like a 50-50. Like half of them have no clue what they're talking about in the other half, like are way too smart to be working on Best Buy. Just a tangent on Best Buy. You go into Best Buy, you either, you're going to experience one or two things. One, there's absolutely no one around to help you, or they bug you so damn much trying to help you that you can't get a word in edge-wise. There's no in between. They will come close to making you want to physically assault somebody. Like they will like hover around you. There'll be like three associates that talk to you in the span of like two minutes. You're like, look, man, I'm just looking, like, calm down. There was a time. So when I went to buy my last TV, which has been 10 years ago at this point, but I was in there trying to figure out which TV I want. And they just kept passing by like every two minutes asking, hey, is there something I can help with? There's something I'll be with. And I eventually broke down and asked them, why do you keep asking me this when I've been standing in front of the same damn television for the last half an hour? And they said, well, we've been instructed to because if people know that you're being paid attention to, you're less likely to shoplift something. And then my response to that was, do you think I'm going to shove this 46 inch television down my pants or something? I mean, what the hell? Go over there where there's got the little fit, the little thing that somebody could actually steal. I mean, it was so fucking dumb. I mean. Also, what am I going to steal from best by your $20 HDMI cord that I could order off Amazon for five bucks in 30 minutes and have it show up tomorrow? Let's be honest, that thing is not $30. It's $60 because it has gold in it. Right? Oh, my God. Their shit's so price. But the main point being, I think people go into those stores. Yes, there's going to be those fringe people that just I want the cheapest shit possible. Like just I don't care how fucked up it is. Like I don't want to spend money. Just just give me the cheapest shit possible. But most I feel like most people, especially the people that come to me and ask for advice on getting computers, like they don't know what they want at all and they care enough to ask somebody who does know or they'll like I've had people just ask me, is it OK to just ask a best buy route? Like, you know, like for advice, I'm like, sometimes, yeah, they're they're they're OK. But anyway, like most people want just somebody to give them advice on what's going to last long. And like, I mean, if we're being honest, like those kind when you're talking to those people, they're probably going to steer you towards something that's not Nvidia, especially for people who aren't gaming. Like that's pretty much the only reason to buy an Nvidia card or a system with an Nvidia card nowadays, because they're typically more pricey, not always, but typically more pricey and they have features that just like, I mean, what is your 50 year old? Like, you know, grandma or mother going to do with a CUDA, CUDA, empower like empowered GPU, like nothing. She's going to type up word documents and browse the web. That 50 year old grandmother that goes into Best Buy is not going to ask what graphics card is in their computer. They're not going to ask what they're not. But the guy who works there is going to steer them towards something that's not a G-Force GPU. I don't know that that I don't know that that's 100 percent sure. But we're getting we're getting off the point. Yeah. Because it has nothing to do with drivers. In the Linux community is definitely true. What you're saying is that people who have used Linux for a while pretty much know, at least over the last 10 years, that if you want really good and consistent performance, AMD has been the way to go. Because it's just works better on Linux. It has better kernel support. It has like FreeSync and stuff is it's here, right? The software is better available and open source, you know, that we can use. And for decades, NVIDIA has been throwing the big middle finger to the Linux community forever, right? It's just that's the way it's always been. That's the reason why people have been more prone to recommend AMD in the Linux community. I don't know that that's the truth outside of it. I think that most people just don't give a even like even the random Best Buy employee probably doesn't care between NVIDIA or AMD if they even know what the difference is. And the ones that do are probably gamers. And then we probably ask you, well, do you game if you game? Get this one, whatever the best. I mean, we've been messing with Best Buy employees. But the best ones know what they're talking about. And then we'll ask you questions. Like what are you going to do with your computer? Because if you're just going to browse the web, you can do that on a Chromebook. They cost $300. You don't need a desktop computer that, you know, cost $4,000 and has the highest end 3090 TI in it. You know what I mean? The ones that are more interested in getting their commission are going to point that 50 year old grandmother to that $4,000 computer because they're going to get a better commission off from it. But that's just the cynic in me playing around. Well, so we've we've talked about, like, like the actual cards being pushed by NVIDIA. But so since most likely NVIDIA doing like open sort of open sourcing their kernel drivers and everything has nothing to do with the card market, you think it has anything to do at all with just the public opinion of them not having it open sourced? Like, is it just finally? Like, just the the constant public just of NVIDIA in the way that they treat open source? Like, I don't think it had anything to do with the PR of that thing. It was one of two things either it was they saw the popularity and of the Steam Deck because the Steam Deck has been getting a lot of mainstream media attention. So either they saw that and saw the kind of the writing on the wall that, you know, open source is becoming more, you know, popular or it's just that they decided to do it. They had some kind of random internal decision that they'd made and it had no outside influence at all. It's one of those two things. I doubt it feels like NVIDIA is one of those companies that just don't give a fuck what people think about them. It just it makes it it seems like that. So I don't think that the the loud voices of the Linux and open source community was the one that caused them to do this because it's despite a lot of us having really big mouths when it comes to say, hey, you should open source your software. It's still a very, very, very small community and compared to other communities and stuff like that. There's a reason why NVIDIA has been able to basically ignore the Linux community for the last 20 years. Because it is relatively small. And just because the Steam Deck is here now and, you know, we're getting attention on LTT and all these main streaming users doesn't mean all of a sudden Linux has millions and millions more, you know, users than it did three or six months ago. We're still around one percent where that's where we will be for a while. Like, we don't know how many Steam decks they've actually sold. But we can pretty much say maybe at the absolute most they've they've actually shipped like a million of them. Let's just say they've shipped a million. But I I still don't even think the Steam Deck would be. Like I I don't know how that could possibly relate to this because I mean, it's not like the Steam Deck is going to ship with an NVIDIA part. It's not like NVIDIA is going like I don't think NVIDIA is going to try and come out with a competitor because they've tried that before. I mean, true, but it's possible because of the Steam Deck has gotten has become so popular now that they've shipped so many or that it is even any all that good, you know, all that good. I mean, it is good. But the point is that that stuff doesn't matter. But if one of NVIDIA's partners like Dell or whoever has decided to say, hey, we want to come out with a Steam Deck competitor, we can't run Windows on it because it takes up four gigabytes of RAM on start. You know, we're so we're going to run SteamOS, which is open source and based on Linux. We need NVIDIA drivers to work on Linux in order to do this. That's where the pressure would come from. They don't NVIDIA doesn't care about the community. But if that pressure came from people that from companies that they partner with, that could be a reason why it happened. But I mean, if the driver as a whole is still going to remain proprietary, which like, let's be honest, yeah, it most likely will. Like they might open source components of it. But the whole thing, fuck, no, like that'll never happen. That's the reason why this is kind of confusing, right? Like why now, right? Well, why now? And also why just the kernel modules? Because, well, I mean, obviously, you like if if you're assuming that they're going to open open source other stuff later, it makes sense because you're not I mean, you're not just going to do everything overnight. Like I think the reason why they did the kernel drivers is because they're basically doing the same thing AMD does, because that's what AMD does is they've done the kernel drivers or open source, they still have the proprietary stuff, right? So but kind of the scummy thing about that is like there's a reason AMD does that. They don't employ nearly as many developers like as Nvidia does. And so they get a lot of help from the community. And like that kind of helps like AMD stay very competitive in the Linux space because Nvidia doesn't get that same like community benefit of having the community audit and improve your code. Yeah, now they will. Battelius in the in the chat said something about China. It has nothing to do with China because that same order that says that all Chinese computers are moving to Linux also say that they can't use any hardware that's manufactured outside of China. So I'm not manufactured, but owned by companies inside China. And Nvidia is not a Chinese company. So so they won't be able to use Nvidia cards in China. Anyways, they're going to have to use Huawei or Xiaomi or something. I don't China screwed on graphics card because I'm ashamed they have to have some kind of graphics card company. All right, they do. But I've never heard of them over here. Anyways, moving on. So that's the news. It's exciting news. And I made a video yesterday, basically poo pooing on it because everyone was like, hey, we're you know, Linux is is has won and winning and all this stuff. And my cynic was like, no, no, like Linux is just Linux is exactly the same as it was yesterday and a year ago and it's the same as it was a year from now. I would I would be be shocked if we get to the point where the because for the most part, the where we get the the Linux numbers is from the Steam hardware survey. And whether or not that's accurate or not, who knows, because it's just surveying gamers. But let's just say it is right. It's been at one percent now for a year before that. It was hovering just below one percent. And it had been there for literal ever, like since the beginning of the Steam hardware server survey. That's basically where it's been. It's been between like zero point eight and one percent. You know, and, you know, that's where it has been for a long time. I would be shocked if we see anywhere between anything more than one point two percent in the next year. You know, and that's even with the Steam Deck, right? That's like with probably a couple million more people using Linux, I would still be surprised if that number moved on much. No, it could be wrong. I'd be happy to be wrong. You've, like I said, in that video yesterday, I'm very, very happy to see Linux flourish and stuff like that. I just haven't we've been as a Linux community. We've heard the year the Linux desktop so many times to be disappointed by it. Like when AMD came out and open sourced some of the drivers, everyone thought this is it. This is the moment when when like OBS and Discord and Slack and stuff like that. We every time like a major corporation brings their software to Linux. Like, yeah, Linux is becoming more popular. This is going to be the moment. And like this for your mental health, calm down. Linux is going to be perfectly fine, no matter whether it grows or not. Don't set yourself up for disappointment if it fails just like it has in the past. If it does succeed, you're going to be very. I don't know that it fails. Like Linux is constantly getting better. Well, no, no, I just think not not Linux fails, but the Linux the year the Linux desktop fails. Like well, that's bullshit. Like what the. All right. Hold on. Let's talk about that for a minute. What the fuck does that even mean? What is the what exactly is the year of the Linux desktop? It's a nebulous, superfluous term that was can't come up with by Linux or by Windows guys to mock the Linux community because the people in the Linux community are very enthusiastic and very optimistic about Linux. And we're not shy about getting on YouTube and saying raw, raw Linux. Go tucks. You're my favorite mascot. I heart tucks, you know, we're very, very vocal, right? And that leads us to being able to be teased by the Windows guys because they know that Windows has one point nine billion PCs on the planet and that shit ain't going nowhere. You know, but see, that's the the year of the Linux desktop is something that's thrown around so much. And it's it's like it's like this term that's meant to like self like self like flagellate yourself, like you're never going to have like the year of the Linux desktop isn't a thing. There's not a year of the Windows desktop. Well, fuck is that if there's not a window? Like there's not the year of Apple desktop. This is just some thing that everybody uses to say that Linux is like not doing well enough. Like because because Linux or Unix hasn't shit all over Windows and it's now like 98 percent market share. Like like it's it's just something you used to beat yourself up with because like I don't even understand like people were like, OK, so when the Steam Deck dropped, it's it's the year of the Linux desktop. It's happening. Steam decks are actually like showing up in people's hands and we're still well, I mean, the same like same arguments being thrown around, the same problems being talked about, pipe wire or whaling. Like it's it's the same shit every year. Like I just don't understand. Like we don't we just don't like, I guess, admitting like we now have a console, like a handheld, dopest shit console that runs Linux, like saying that it's not the year of the Linux desktop or it tomorrow tomorrow is going to be the that's going to be the day that the year of the Linux desktop starts. Like it's just it's so dumb. Like I hear it too much. Like it's it just hurts. Like stop. I understand. I understand. But it's definitely something that comes up very often for reason because it does because because the Linux community is very optimistic where the where the OK. So you know, the the big ass guy in the playground who bullies everyone and then when the little kid that is really, really brave decides he's going to confront him and the easiest way for that bully to keep him from getting punched is to hold the kid's forehead and just watch him throw his little fists around. That's Linux, the big guy. That's Windows. He's holding us by the forehead, watching us just flare our little fists around, trying to get to him. You know, that that's the kid who gets punched on the chin, gets right back up and keeps fighting. That's the Linux community. It's the way we've always been. That's the way we always will be. The Linux the year the Linux desktop is just something for the Windows community to constantly remind all you guys are so adorable thing and that this is your year. Just pat us on the head and continue on with going with what they're doing. I mean, see, you that would be accurate if we weren't the one screaming. This is the year of the Linux desktop. We've we've adopted it, right? We've we've adopted it, right? So it probably came from. But anyways, that we've talked about this too much. Let's go ahead and move on to the main topic, which is actually some are related. Now we're going to we're going to talk about the age, old question, Linux, frantic fragmentation. In order for the year of the Linux desktop to happen, we're going to have to all come together and be this one gigantic community that agrees on stuff. And we can't even agree on, you know, districts. All right. So like, let's bring this into the question of are there too many districts? OK, so the year of the Linux desktop happens. Let's just say that 40 percent of Windows users come over to Linux, but they all go over to Buntu. You can't tell me that there won't be. Shitloads of forms of people screaming that they're all these people are using Ubuntu. Like it will be a shit show, like an absolute shit show, because everybody will be bitching and complaining that they aren't choosing the proper distros. Like this one's better than that one. Like also, could you imagine the support forums with 40 percent of Windows users coming over? If anybody in this, if you have not seen a Windows support forum, God bless your soul. Go read them. Imagine all of that coming up in support forums in a day, in a week, in two weeks. It would be terrible. We know exactly what would happen. And it's exactly what you just described. If 40 percent of the Windows user base came in over and decided to use Ubuntu, Ubuntu is already the most like demonized distribution out there. Like it's the one like everyone. Like canonical is like the Microsoft of the Linux world. They're like 80 percent of the Linux community just can't stand canonical. And I'm guilty of this, too. Like you and I have talked about how horrible canonical can be sometimes, but you want to know what Linux fam. We wouldn't be shit without canonical right now. You know, like half the half like the same thing with Red Hat. If if canonical and Red Hat decided that they were going to do proprietary software instead of false software, we would not be using Linux right now right now. Linus Torvald will be living out of a box in the middle of an alley somewhere, you know, without those two corporations, we wouldn't have X or we won't have system D. We won't have Waylon, Pipewire, Paul's Audio. Half the stuff that is required for the Linux desktop to be anywhere close to usable. We wouldn't be having any of those things. And yet we still continue to be bemoan the fact that canonical has an iron grip on snaps, you know. First of all, use flat packs, they're better. Okay. Second of all, just calm the fuck down. But that's, I mean, completely beside the point. Are there too many distros? That was the question. That was our main topic for the day and my eyes itching like crazy right now, so you have to forgive me. Wow, what the hell's going on there? Is there a B in my eye? Well, I think the answer to the question is quite simple. It's self-evident. If people aren't happy with picking one and they can't even agree on top three, then yeah, there's probably too many distros. There's a lot to pick from, but I don't think that having too many distros is necessarily a problem for everyone. Like some people would be like, yes, there's just absolutely too many. But as somebody who hops too much, I still don't think there's too many. You know, I'm still surprised at the lack of some. I mean, we have Linux for everyone, but apparently I have stumbled across something that might be the biggest project or undertaking that might be worth the time. We could do this as a group, like just shitty, funny project, but there's not a Linux distro for flat earthers, unfortunately, sadly. Okay, so you're right. There is a difference between there being too many distros and that being a bad thing. And the thing is, is that the absolute best thing about open source software is that it enables anyone to do basically whatever they want to do with other people's software within certain restrictions. So they can take Ubuntu and make Linux Mint, okay? Why they'd want to do that? I don't know because Linux Mint is Linux Mint, but the point is, that was just a throwback to Linux Mint is useless. It's not actually useless, it's just a joke, get off her. Anyways, they can do that. If they want to take Debian, make Devlon, if they want to take Arch and make Manjaro, they can do that. That's what makes open source software great. It also is what makes it hard for new users is because there's so much choice and stuff like that. It's a double-sided coin. The same thing that makes open source software fantastic and Linux fantastic in general is the same thing that makes it harder for new users to come in and say, hey, that's the one that I need to use. And it's exacerbated by the fact that not only are there too many distros, but the reasons why a lot of those distros reasons were created was because the people who created them couldn't agree with the base distros maintainers. So the reason why Linux Mint exists is because they didn't like Ubuntu all that much. They had philosophical differences between the way they thought the distros should be ran. So they created Linux Mint. The same thing with Devlon was created because they didn't like system D. The biggest thing here is that the Linux community has a tendency to eat itself when it comes to being able to expand outwards because we can't agree on anything. None of us agree. Well, I can say system D is without a doubt the best in its system slash a whole bunch of other shit that you can ever get. I could say that out loud and I could believe it, but there's gonna be nine people in the chat right now that says, no, open RC is better, Runnit's better, you know, Sysvianit's better. You know, my random init system that I built yesterday in Rust is better because of course it is written in Rust. You know, that's the reason why we have, if we just had a whole bunch of distros and everyone was still like, well, we use Linux. It doesn't matter what distro we use. It's gonna, we all love each other and kumbaya. It's amazing. If you're a new user, just use Ubuntu for a while and then jump to whatever distro you want. That's the way it should be. Nay-nay, that's not the way it actually is. It's like, if you use Ubuntu, you're obviously a dumbass. You shouldn't be using Ubuntu. You should be using Gen2 or something, you know? Because there's just, we can't agree on anything. The problem isn't there being too many distros. It's the discord amongst the Linux community of being able to actually mark it outside of itself. Like we've become tribalized in that, we have all these, you know, small groups of people. Like it's, there's a reason why I use ARX by the way has become a meme. It's because the ARX Linux community is so tribalized in that if you go to, I guarantee you, I guarantee you, if you go to the ARX Linux forums right now, click on a random thread. I guarantee you there's at least one person that says read the fucking manual or some variation thereof. I guarantee, like I did it yesterday. I don't remember what I was searching for. I was helping somebody in the discord with some problems and I did some Googling because usually that's, you know, as much as you need to do. And the first one that came up was an ARX forum thread. I was like, great. Somebody's had this problem before. They've obviously had somebody that would help them because the ARX Linux community is fantastic and the only response to the guy's question was read the man page. Like, that's not helpful. Okay, because first of all, let's just talk about this for a second. And you had this experience with BSPWM. The man page, just because a man page is fantastic doesn't mean it helps anybody, okay? Because man pages are written in technical way. I mean, TFL right now is doing a series where he's reading out loud the bash man page, which I mean, God bless that man. He's got the patience of a saint. He's like, he's like six hours into it right now. He's like 15% of the way through. You listen to the history and like, it's very, very technical minded. Like if you don't know some, at least something about bash going in, you're not going to learn anything about bash from that because you need to have some underlying knowledge of what the things you're talking about. You know, it's just, and it's that way with every man page it assumes some kind of level of knowledge, right? And here's a good point and I want to elaborate on the point you're about to make. Sometimes it's just really long. Like sometimes you pointing out somebody, like in a 1500 line man page, might be nice to just point out, hey, go to line 150, you know, just mentions what you're looking for. And the vast majority of new links users are going to find a man page and realize how do you get to line 150? How do you search? Because you want to know why? Man pages have the exact same problem that Vim does. You know, how do you search in Vim? In vast majority of people are going to say control F because, you know, they know control F searches in Firefox. Maybe they're lucky to know that that's how you search in Firefox or Chrome or whatever. They're not going to realize that backslash or forward slash wherever the hell it is does searching. You know, it does tell you how to quit at the bottom which is an improvement on them. But, you know, that's about it. You know, other than that, I mean, like, you know, this is going back to the original thing. Like this is the issue is that we have the, as a community, we have a problem of embracing one thing, right? So we've all created our own little things, our own little fiefdoms. And that then creates a problem for new users, right? Well, really the problem is, is when the selling point of Linux largely is the community, the community has to police itself. Like, essentially, the guy who's always a dick in forums and who's not nice and who's not helpful to new people or to people who clearly don't have that great of an understanding of the system needs to be policed out. Like not in the sense where he can never post again, but at the very least there has to be repercussions for essentially being a douchebag. Like, because you're the selling point. Like, there's no, like the idea that bad actors or bad apples in the community have just as much right to be there as everyone else is dumb if you're gonna tell new users what makes us awesome is the community. The community, exactly. And it's nice if it would be hard to get those people to be a little bit better. Like, I don't care. Implement repercussions. Like there's, there's in a lot of cases, like on a lot of forums, like the people who are just really not good people, like who are not helpful at all, stay around. Like there's no problem for what they do. Like. Well, and most of it is because they're so rare. Like really, really the read the fucking manual guy, despite the fact that you can go to any Linux, Arch Linux thread right now and find that guy, for the most part, everyone in the Linux community is so helpful. You know, I'm constantly amazed at the tech support channel and my Discord. Everyone's in there always helping each other out. And yeah, you get the occasional dick. Like, you know, you should just stop. You should stop what you're doing that you're having problem with and use Discord or Gentoo instead. You know, and damn, you know who you are. Okay. And it's not Gentoo, it's Slackware, but still the point is, you know, the, you know, there's that one guy, but for the most part everyone, I mean, one of the guys in Discord last night spent like an hour and a half trying to get someone else setting up with I3, you know? And for the most part, that's the Linux community that we know and love. Cause that's the vast majority of them. It's just those dicks, those small amount of dicks, assholes that give us all a bad name. And it'd be so easy, not even just to police them. I agree with you, there should be repercussions, but also just personal responsibility. If you're going to say, read the manual, don't just tell me to read the manual, provide a link. We have this amazing thing called ArchWiki. You can link to any single section of the ArchWiki. It doesn't even have to be the top of the page. It can be the exact thing you want to point to. It takes five seconds to get on DuckDuckGo, well, Google and find that thing, right? You know, it would not take any extra effort. If you have the time to post, read the effing manual to begin with, you also have time to go do the 30 seconds it takes to find the manual piece of part of the manual that you're pointing to, you know? And also the really, really sad part is the people that will be the quickest to tell you that the community of X distro or Linux in general is the best are always the bad actors. Like, yeah, the good people will tell you quickly too. Like, yeah, it's the best part, but the bad actors will tell you that too. They're like, yeah, the community is great. It's like, if you hear that from somebody who's a douche, which I've observed online plenty of times, like if somebody is not helpful and who's like also kind of degrading because you use something else and who's also like, yeah, but we over here or these people over here are like super helpful, like the community is the best. You're like, what is going on? Like, it's very weird. Like, I don't know, it just, it happens a lot, but it's really in all honesty, like with the whole community, like most people are good, like most people are really awesome. Like, I've had a great experience with meeting a lot of fantastic people in Linux space. Like, I mean, it's just, it's one of those things where the bad actors are really, even though they're not that prevalent, like they stick out, because that's what makes Linux awesome. Like that's the selling point is the community. So when the bad actors are there, it's just, it'd be better if we got not rid of them, but at least gave them repercussions. If you had a community of three people, one of those people is a dick. Like it's guaranteed. It's the rule of communities that there's always gonna be a small minority, usually the loudest people that are going to be, you know, just an asshole. And it's just, it's the same way in the Windows community. It's the same way in every community, because that's just the way it is. You know, there's a reason why my discord shut down right now is because, you know, I had an asshole come in there. And it's just, it was easier for me not to have to deal with that and just shut it down. Also, Tyler, you're a bad guy, according to Jim. Jim says you're a bad guy. I know, I've seen both of it go. You smug bastard. Well, apparently I'm really smug. I don't even know what that means. You know, I, I, I, Tyler's such a, such a good guy. You know, he uses Linux and everything. He can't be bad. Sure. The amount of times that I've come on this podcast using Windows, I've been heavily berated for it. I know you're such an asshole. Deservingly. OK, I know. I know. Phil, he was a good guy a minute ago. He comes in here using Windows. I'm like, fuck off with that guy. So moving back to the main topic, which we've been all over the place. Also, I've been very, if you've ever watched the podcast before and you're like that mad guy, he's kind of preachy. I'm sorry. I get that way. Sometimes I just, you know, I talk a lot. It's the the it's kind of in the job description. And I apologize. I don't think you've been preachy, though. I just think we've been talking about our opinions on the community and distros in general. Like, I don't know. It's been a pretty normal conversation. Let's see if we can just for another five or six minutes or so. Let's just talk about the number of distros because. Well, all of that stuff we just talked about is true, right? Oh, I thought you I like for a second there. I thought you were saying like, we're going to try and list off distros number of distros. I was like, no, no, no. We don't got that kind of time. Uh, if if you so one of the series that I do on my channel is called WTF is that distro. And I always go and find the most rarest distrakin and I always think that well, this is the bottom of the barrel, right? Nope, there's always one there that there's another one there just waiting for me to do another series. And I got another one planned. It's pretty good. But anyways, the point is, is that. There are too many distros even for even amongst the argument that we just made where the reason why people make distros is because, you know, they're disagreeing with the main offshoots or whatever, even with that in mind, there's still too many distros because there's just. Some distros like I don't it's not that there are too many distros. It's that there's too many distros out there that have no purpose. You know, I mean, like there's like even Rebecca Black, Alas, has a purpose because, you know, if you like Rebecca Black, maybe, you know, you want to use that or whatever. But Hannah Montana Linux, you know, had a perfect purpose, you know, because you like Hannah Montana, Temple of West or whatever, you know, like choose random distro. If it has a purpose, I'm OK with it existing. But there's some distros out there that just like. It feels like they created distros just because they wanted to rice their distro only and then put it out there as like this is going to change the world. Like that's not. I mean, it's OK. Like if you create a distro just for yourself and share it, I mean, that's usually how a lot of those things started. Like there's nothing malignant about that. You know, you've created you've created an ISO for yourself that you use on all your computers. And, you know, maybe you have a YouTube channel of a certain size and somebody say, hey, what do you use? And you're like, oh, well, I create I have my own distro. Would you like it? You know, here it is on GitHub, you know, and then they share it and they share it and all of a sudden it's on distro watch. You know, what are you going to do about it? You're not the one that made it made it so popular that some asshole YouTuber named the Linux cast on YouTube got on there and said, what the fuck is this distro? Why does this exist? You know, obviously this thing is trash. Why why did this developer waste its time on doing this? You know, I mean, so the vast majority of the distros just kind of started out like this. So it always makes you feel like an asshole when I say, well, you know, maybe this district shouldn't exist because it doesn't have a purpose, you know. But well, I think that's that's fair. Because you're I mean, that's your opinion on the distro. Like it's not like you're the one in control. Like, yeah, I'm just going to nuke this project out of existence. Like it's just there's there's a lot of distros where you go, you know what, like I don't like there's a lot of distros out there that are, you know, arch spin offs, ton of ton of different arch spin offs. And a lot of them have purposes behind them, but they're done by bigger projects or at least projects that, you know, I'm more familiar with or whatever, or I think that do it better. And so I'm like, for me, I don't I really don't see the reason for this distro. You're just doing something that there's like three other distros doing. But at the same time, like I'm not in control project. Like that's just my opinion. Like it's one of those things where like I think there is a lot of clutter in the Linux distro space, but I don't think I'm the one who needs to go through and decide how to clean up the clutter. Like I just think there's a lot of people who have made distros in the past and who who still maintain distros that probably would be better served, putting their their development time and effort into another distribution that could use it in a certain way or that they enjoy using as well. Like, but again, that's that's like it's not it's not like I'm going to force somebody to do it, but that is still at the same time. Like I feel like there's a lot of us that have that same opinion. Like there's a lot of clutter. There's especially in the arch space, like arch and Debbie and like there is a lot of spin offs. Well, I mean, those those are the two main distros that people like to base things off from, right? And it's just the way that you don't see a lot of like Fedora spin offs. You know, I mean, you just kind of don't. I mean, I'm sure that I'm sure I'm 100 percent positive they exist. Don't at me, you know, I'm sure they're there. But in terms of popularity of the developers facing things off me Ubuntu and Debbie and and Arch are the the main ones, right? That's the the way it is. And you brought something something there that I want to just kind of touch on is that we have our opinions about what developers should spend their time doing. And the thing is, is that we don't own them guys. You know, we're not even developers like we're not even close to develop. Like you're much closer to a developer than I am because you've done some game developers development stuff. But I'm not even a developer. I can't even write a proper bash script just as terminal for life. He knows he's seen with some of my bash scripts that poor fellow. You know, there's a reason. You know, they just like this was written by a five year old. A five year old actually could have probably done better at writing a bash script than I could. So if from from that perspective, yes, I can say, well, you know, developers should really spend their time improving pipe wire or whatever. But some people don't want to touch pipe wire. They just want to make their own distro or make their own package manager or whatever. And that's what they're interested in. That's what. You know, that's what they want to do. And that's the great thing about open source software. But like I said, at the beginning, when we started this whole thing, that's the it's the greatest thing about a false. It's the worst thing about floss because it definitely does, you know, cause issues with, you know, one of the biggest things that we're going to face if we're in the year of the Linux desktop, if we're if we're there. The biggest issue we're going to face is that there are too many distros for new users. They're not too many distros for experience links. It's for us nerds in the Linux community. It's fantastic that Tyler can use three different distros in a week. I think he's kind of crazy, but, you know, that's why we like him. You know, he can switch to distros whenever he wants. That's it. It's great that he has so much choice. It's weird that he goes back between the same five and does an experiment with others, but, you know, whatever floats his boat, right? But for new users, you know, it's not a great experience. That's why one of the one of the videos I made recently, when I was talking about this on how to find the best Linux distro, the best thing that Linux community could do and it's never, ever, ever going to happen is get together and say, you want to, we can have all these distros. Keep making all the distros you want. But that one right there, that's the one that's best for new users. That's the one that they should use or those two or whatever. And, you know, if we could just get together and agree that says Ubuntu and Fedora are the two that you should use as a new user for a while. And then you can whatever that's what a world it would be. Right, we could get together and have people agree on just one thing. Never be great. Sunshine and rainbows. Also, never just never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen. OK, so that is it for the main topic. We probably could have expound upon that for quite a long time, but we're already over an hour of record time, which is, you know, typical anyways. So we're moving on to the last section of the show, which is called creatively, I think, Thingy of the Week. So the reason why we call these things the thingies of the week is because, well, we couldn't come up with a better name. So and Thingy of the Week is just kind of, you know, stuck. It's it's the name of the section now. We're just going to move on. We're going to live with it. It's definitely dirty if you got your mind in the gutter. But get your mind out of the gutters. We weren't considering it that way. You know, whatever. So, Tyler, your thingy of the week. Mine was going to be something else. But I think I'm going to go with SXHKD because it's awesome. It is amazing. It's so good. It's it's just great. It's a key binding like Damon or whatever. It's it's really nice. The name's not great. The name could be vastly improved. That would be amazing. But it actually just super easy to use. It's it's incredibly easy to use. The documentation is really clean and straightforward. Flapping it together is no big deal. It's it's just great. It's super easy to use. I really like it. So good. And it lets you do key cords, dude. Like you can do key cords and it had my heart. The minute I figure that I figured that out, you know. So the way I use SXHKD is I have a section of my configuration that comes along with me to every window manager. It opens up applications and stuff like that always controls the terminal stuff. So I can always take those key bindings out of the configure whatever window manager I'm using and then then I can add on to it. It's like I have an I3 version of that my SXHKD config that also has the I3 stuff in it. I have one for BSPW that has the BSPW and so on and so forth. Right. That's what makes it so cool is that it allows you if you have key bindings that you're always you try out Herp's Lough WM and the first thing you do is create these key bindings just set it so SXHKD starts up at the beginning and you have those key bindings already set. You can remove those from the configuration file. You don't even have to put them in there. It's fantastic. Just on that note, somebody named Matt. I don't know what his last name is, but he made a cut up of me, Distro2, Blukesmith and Brody, trying to say SXHKD over and over again to like a rap, like a rap beat. It was utter hilarity. It was so good. I'm going to actually I'm going to link to if I can find that in the in the discord, I'm going to try to find that and link to that because that was absolutely hilarious. I don't think I don't think I'm going to find it, unfortunately, but that was it was so it was so good. I don't like I don't think unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to find it, which is sad. But anyways, God, I was laughing my ass off at the end of it because like every single one of us has on camera started over SXHKD. I've gotten really good at saying it like SXHKD. I can't say it fast, but I can say SXHKD. But when you first try to say it for the first time, you're going to mess up guarantee. Anyways, it's good stuff. So my my thinking of the week is called Sanokai and a Sanokai is a color scheme. So not that, you know, exciting. But if you're into faming and rising your your stuff, a Sanokai is a fantastic color scheme. It does have some contrast issues. So like King of Padding in my discord has noticed that some of the themes that you get for like Firefox are pretty much unusable because the contrast between the background and the text color is kind of off. So if you need, if you end up using this, you'll have to change that. I've kind of gotten used to it, but it's OK. But other than that, it's it's great and it's not a one dark clone. So it's really good. So if you're interested in a new theme, Sanokai is fantastic. It does have some premade themes for like a Lackardy's there. There's a Firefox version. So if you don't feel like actually creating your own like typing in the codes yourself, you can do the premade stuff, but it's really good. So I've got my I3 in this color scheme right now, and it's it's really good. It's it's it's different enough. I can still use like bright pastel colors, but it's like on top of like a grayish green background instead of like the Dracula stuff. So I really like it. Anyways, I also have a like a secondary pick. And it's font that goes along with this. It's called Terminus and it is such a good font. I really, really wish there was a nerd font version that had icon support so I could use it in Polybar, which I technically I could. I could bifurcate the what fonts are used where. But that's too much work for me. But I'm using an Lackardy right now. It's so so good, so good. Anyways, yeah, it's a it's a monospace font, obviously. But it's just it's it's amazing. OK, so that is it for this week's episode coming up next week. I'm actually not sure we're going to be talking about do, do, do, do. I don't know what we're going to talk about next week. I haven't decided yet. We have a few topics to choose from. We'll discuss that later. So it'll either be bash versus ZSH or something or the other. I don't I don't even know. We have so many options to choose from. What are we going to choose? It doesn't we'll figure out something. There will be a podcast. We'll talk about something next week. I actually put options in. So we've got plenty of issues now. There's too many choices and I can totally confuse. And we need to go back to not having options and then it won't be much easier to choose. It'll be much easier. And I mean, you'll be able to flog me for not putting stuff in. I can always I always bitch about not having topics because neither one of us actually puts the topics in. OK, so that is it for this this week's episode. If you want to get in contact with us, you can do so linuxcast.org slash contact. Before I go, I should take a moment to thank my current patrons. You can support me on Patreon at patreon.com slash linuxcast. Thanks to Robert Sid. Devon, Patrick, Fred, Kramer, Maglin, Jackson, Knife and Tool, Steve A, Sebrega, Linux, Gary, Samuel, KB, TGB, Keith, Andy, Uncle Bonehead, Tridevil, Gary, Antoine, Mitchell, J-Dog, Carmen, David, Jeremy, Sean, Odin, Marnie, Ross, Eduardo, Artstern, Elliott, Miss Love, Merrick, Cam, Joshua Lee, Peter Ray, Kuzble, Dark Witness, Exprimus, PM. God, every time I got to turn a second breath. I really, really do. I really, really do. But damn, thanks to all of those guys who supported me through all this. And thanks to everybody who has subscribed to the podcast and the channel in general over the last few days. 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