 Good morning. I mean good afternoon. I guess we can start it right. Well it looks like the old clock on the wall says time to start the meeting so ever please rise to a little pledge of reasons. So anybody here that is objecting anything that's going to be going on? Yep read this one right here. Anybody here that has a conflict of interest to what's going on here? I'd like to speak. Any board members? Nope. Is first do we do have anyone that's online or on the phone? Matthew Hardy okay. All right and now everybody's had a chance to look at the meeting the minutes from the October 21st meeting. Does it rejects anything or has any comments or additions or corrections? I'd like to make a motion to accept. I'll entertain a motion that we approve the minutes of October 21st meeting. It's second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Four aye. Okay that's curious. First we have Nathan. Do you have a question? Yes. It looks like for Mr. Hardy I actually managed the property he's got here in question would that be a conflict or anybody managed that property? Can you press your button? Oh I'm sorry. I actually managed. Try it again. Oh you're good. You're good. One more time. There you go. There it goes. Yep I actually managed the property there for Mr. Hardy at 1719 South 13th street. Would anybody have any objection if I did not abstain from that or would I have to would it be a conflict? I think we have enough members to vote on that one so I think what I would do is abstain if you're managing that property. Okay then I'll go ahead and do that when we get there. So Kevin then will be abstaining from item number three correct so so other than that we we could move to item 3.1. Or we just have the minutes approved so now we're going through item 3.1. If you want to call this up please. Nathan? No can you read it and then ask them up? The variance application by Nathan Torrensons requesting an 8x14 addition to the current 14x28 garage under construction at 3332 North 10th street. Can you step up to the podium please? Apparently you had gotten a approval on us and you built it a little bigger than what's we'd like to see the plans actually but how it turned out or how it's turning out. So you're apparently building it bigger than you had requested is that correct? Depending on how you look at it I guess no I still built the 14x28 shed. It just has an 8 foot overhang on it. Is your building isn't any bigger? I can't hear you as your speaker on. Yes go ahead so if I can explain a little bit what we're here is Mr. Tussin came in last year or the year before and was approved by the board to build a 14x28 garage. Scott I'm not sure if you might be able to show the picture of the that I have on there so that the board can see what we're looking at. So he was approved to do I have to move it on there? So he was approved by 8x14 addition? No so basically what the board had approved was a 14x28 garage so you can see the garage is the building that isn't quite finished. In addition what Mr. Tussin did was build this overhang which the board at that time did not approve so there was back and forth discussion from the city and the applicant with regards to this the applicant was made aware that this was in violation and he had two options one option was to remove it the other option was to come back to the board to ask for the overhang extension there's an application before you today to allow for the extension staff you know is questioning that extension a little bit it's there it's constructed so this is an after-the-fact request and we would be recommending denial of it but the applicant had an opportunity to come to the board today to request the approval of that 48x14 extension so Scott or Nathan if you want to explain a little bit in terms of your take on that and then the board can have discussions and there is a neighbor here for this one as well. I guess I don't see what that I mean there was a mix up of paperwork from the beginning my application said 14x28 shed and the building the building plans that were provided were like for 12x24 or something it was just a mix up of paperwork so the original plans had that in there no that's not correct so what you have there is a covered patio that's what you're in essence built on I'm sorry addition is that correct I didn't I didn't hear you all you did was it looks to me like you got a covered patio there in the front of that garage that's all you added extra you didn't actually act anything to the garage so no anybody got any questions there's a neighbor that's here as well and I don't know if you're done with your okay I don't know if you'd like to ask the neighbor if he has any questions which I think you should which one is the neighbor he'll I would imagine he would come up Mr. Winkle do you have anything you'd like to add could you please spec up to the microphone we have people on line that can't hear if you don't speak in the microphone appreciate that I think I understood you correctly before you said you were inclined to deny it that was staff's recommendation that's correct I can't imagine why if that's your statement that's fine first of all he's paying for a second application for the variance am I correct he did have to do that that's correct yeah variances are expensive correct that's why you submit what you're proposing initially correct correct and I think if that amount of overhang is there I think you should be able to fly with that I don't think the board should deny it well it doesn't meet the requirements and that's why he's here he's done more than he was allowed to do and that's what the discussion is here for today so that's what we're here for and that's why he's making that application and I understand that that point but I just don't think that that's the right way to do it you know I go back 10 years ago and my property over there I wanted to put a driveway in the building code says a driveway must be paved and or asphalitic my driveway there at that house which I purchased at that time had nothing but gravel sand and weeds so then I find out in order to do what the city code requires to be done that I had to pay for a variance $275 $275 back then bought almost all the concrete for that driveway so this is what I don't understand with the politics in these variances I thought it was unfair to have to pay for a variance for me and I understand where he's coming from now I paid for a variance to do what the building code and law required yeah I can't speak to the variances he's speaking of do you have any more additional input on this matter no no okay so you don't object to is that my understanding what's that you do not object to his absolutely not report business absolutely not okay thank you gentlemen and lady young lady will uh entertain a motion to either approve this or disapprove it what was the reason for the overhang that you just understand if that's how that was originally approved in your mind that it was approved that way but what's the purpose for the overhang just aesthetics okay just to have a place for the maybe I don't know patio furniture kids can play out there I don't know just aesthetics there's a second to that motion all in favor say aye opposed it's carried but you're not in trouble if you've got yourself a covered porch all right um a couple of things with that got to get the permit just need to update that and then just needs to get done and so you can work with jeff on that sounds good appreciate it thank you the next variance application is a curt westley requesting a rear is existing garage and build a 28 by 38 garage 25 feet tall with attic storage this will be a 2004 lakeshore drive could you step up to the podium please are there any neighbors here objecting to whatever he's requesting it was a very none it was a 32 by 28 you said 38 we have an application 28 by 38 oh it's 32 by 28 I wrote 28 or 38 on there because the drawings all showed 32 did I really write that on there and that's my error do you have the file over there that you could confirm Lenny it is in the powerpoint okay so yes so it is 32 by 28 okay sounds good all right go ahead curt um have you guys reviewed the the presentation and all that I put together I don't want to repeat anything if you guys go ahead and repeat okay um so what I would like to do is tear down the existing garage which is a 20 by 20 and replace it with a 32 by or a 32 by 28 garage I have a rendering in the deck that shows that I wanted to match the aesthetics of the house which I felt right there which I feel is very important especially with the location of the house so I I'm hence the the roof pitch is also steeper than what you normally see and I figured if I had that I might also turn that into storage so you're you have a dormer on there now on the garage no you'll see some pictures coming up here that the garage is a 20 by 20 it's just you can see the garage in the pictures if you go down a little bit more there's a couple more there's a garage right there well I see okay yeah so that'll be torn down and then replaced with that rendering that you saw previously so the current garage is a 20 by 20 by 18 foot tall and this new one will be 32 by 28 by 25 foot tall to match the house pleaded um a million dollar question is about contractors originally I had one lined up to start May but that got pushed out because another job came along so I don't know um he said maybe middle middle of a summer to fall that's what he mentioned so I'm kind of at their mercy right now your goal would be to have it done this year yes okay anybody else have any questions or do I make a motion to approve yeah do you have any questions yeah no I'll second you if if I can is the uh the city does what does the city have any position on this we got a motion that's made and seconded to approve this right well thanks I can uh so so a couple things um uh the typical garage is a maximum of 15 feet high so he's looking at uh designing this in such a way that allows for the um second floor and then the square footage and things like that is a little bit um larger so typically this is you know that's why he's here today but from a design perspective and things like that they've done a nice job uh trying to blend it in so um there wasn't necessarily an objection okay so there's a motion in a second we got a motion in a second all in favor say aye I opposed carried congratulations thank you very much the applicant we have is Matthew Hardy who I don't think is here is he Matthew are you on the line or is anyone here representing Matthew as I recall this Matthew lived in california or something uh hang on one second he's on can you hear us Matthew yes sir okay can you hear me yes don would you like to hear us please okay you're requesting to pave a nine by six wide driveway up to and within few inches of the side lot line on the north side of the house to access the garage in the backyard at 1719 south 13th street is that correct uh Matthew yes yes sir Matthew would you be able to go through a little bit of uh the things you've done at the house and what you're trying to accomplish here and the reason for the request well we're we're simply we're just trying to pave the driveway um I guess there's gravel and dirt as it is now um I I just purchased the property um I think a few months ago within six months and just it I purchased it with this needing to be done so um I'm just trying to address it you know make sure it looks nice and um you know it's up to to code Matthew could you uh inform the board the other types of things that you've done with the property I haven't done anything yet um we're kind of in the middle of winter so I have plans to do to some minor improvements but this is the main improvement that needs to be done initially did did you do the siting or did the previous owner previous owner okay so um the board members may possibly remember we had looked at this maybe two years ago and uh at that time the owner had not been doing some of the improvements there's been a significant amount of improvement done here siting uh roofing it looked like and this this uh driveway is probably one of the last things that would be needed to kind of improve the overall look and feel of the property um uh I know Kevin you're not voting on this one did you want to add anything at all as manager of the property that I might be missing or not inform in the board I don't think there's anything that that came to my attention other than this just the driveway area that has to be done but nothing's come to my attention prior to that okay so staff wasn't objecting I think the biggest thing here is anytime we have those zero lot lines we just need to make sure that the conditions there that it's draining towards the property and things of that nature so staff was uh recommending approval of the uh variance so I'll entertain a motion uh for somebody that we approve this I have another question though I remember the neighbor having a dispute about that fence so is that still the same neighbor I don't know the answer to that um that was one of the things that was fairly contentious at the last meeting um I don't know whether not the owner has had any dealings but we send out notice to all of the property owners within 100 feet and there is no one here um other than the applicant for this matter okay and have not heard anything okay so I'll entertain a motion to uh approve this as requested make a motion to approve we have a motion to approve second Richard you've made a motion do we have a second second yes I think Kevin's probably or you're standing all in favor say aye opposed that's carried all right so I don't know if you heard that Matthew but the board elected to approve your request so that way you can get your building permits to construct that driveway it's well wonderful thank you so much you guys rock hey I got a question for you um how did you uh you're calling in from California today uh how did you end up with this property uh you know I have a client over here that races uh race cars and he was at a track up by you guys and told me about shabuigan and just told he loved it and he told me about it and that's really what got me started on shabuigan and you know it is my goal to visit this summer and say hi to you guys and really take it all in and enjoy it where were you at a great place what town are you in uh we're in the San Fernando Valley just outside of LA what's the temperature you'd love it here in shabuigan if you could be here well thanks for investing in the city of shabuigan and we look forward to welcoming you here and thanks for investing in that property thank you guys there's a kim deets kim or whether you're uh you're requesting to operate a massage and chiropractic business at uh 14 15 north 13th street yes kim it's currently uh non-conforming at what you're requesting is that correct yes kim give me one second here um so so what we're taking a look at this is uh 14 15 north 13th street is this excuse me is this right in a corner of 13th there's something in superior avenue is it uh no it's down the black it's um zabal monument is on the corner it's right across the alley so behind johnson's bakery under 13th street erastos yeah you can see on the picture that this was the best accounting service oh you're right that oh yeah i remember years ago choice uh realty was in there some of you guys are way too young to remember that but anyway yes so so what we're here for is the property presently has a zoning designation of neighborhood residential and anytime there's a proposal to convert uh from one non-conforming use there to another such as in this case the accounting firm to the wellness center the applicant has to come to the board of appeals for that switch and that is why mrs deets is here today in front of the board uh is to change the one non-conforming use to another so if you want you can go from there and just let us know a little bit about what you're after over there okay so kind of what happened is i've been in practice since 2017 and um the building i've been i've been in the same building and i'm having to move because of the the landlord has there's a lot of noise so most offices are not designed for what i do we need quiet and we need walls that you can't hear through um so as i was looking the opportunity came up to purchase that and i thought why not so it's the perfect size it would be a five room treatment center um so there'd be other massage therapists i'm hoping to get an acupuncturist in there and then i have a chiropractor that's interested so it doesn't need a lot of renovation um there's three rooms that would be have some minor renovations done just bumping walls out a little bit and then there'd be a sink put in the hallway so what are your hours of operation that varies um the chiropractor that's coming in he works here in sheboygan tuesdays thursdays and he's in plymouth monday wednesday friday um i work like say mondays i'm open like 10 to eight but if i have clients only scheduled in the morning and early afternoon that i'm only there till then um per city ordinance we don't work past 10 o'clock i usually don't work past eight o'clock so i sometimes work six days a week i sometimes work three days a week so it all depends on on clients and their schedules as well but i cater to day shutters and people that work um during the day that can only come in the evening yeah there's a parking area in the back um there's nothing like lined off so it can fit six to eight cars depending on how they're parked okay yeah there's several parking spaces in the back i think that was one of the things that's fairly attractive yeah yeah right right so so um behind there uh it's right adjacent to the alley and so there's just uh probably about eight spaces that are as pregnant do you know do you know is that temporary fence uh snow fence on your property or is that on the other it looks like it's on the other okay it looks like it looks like we may have an answer you uh are you a neighbor that has a question could just step up to the podium please keep my phone on yourself yeah well bulky i'm a agent for uh wnsr we own properties two properties to the south of that building as well as we also own a building uh at the end of the alley um that fence is actually on an easement that we have behind that parking lot for uh 14 17 and 14 11 we're in the process of selling 14 0 7 and 14 11 are both for sale right now the only uh concern i have is we do have an accepted offer on 14 0 7 and the parking lot behind that building um was also used by 14 11 for parking so uh i could not talk the person into buying that property we were hoping to sell them both at the same time to one individual because that limits the parking to on street for 14 11 which is right next to the property that she owns that was my only concern if she would have people parking in front to our tenants at the moment will have to be parking on street at 14 11 we may have issues parking because also there is a deli across the street which takes up a lot of parking spaces people coming and going constantly there so that fence i put up there temporarily um there had been a row of trees there ash trees that were all dying i had those taken down um and put that fence up so that snow plowing wasn't an issue that when that lot got for her building got plowed it didn't get pushed into our easement and that's why that temporary fence was put up just for that reason before we didn't have to worry about it because there was trees there they couldn't push through that area so okay so you own those two properties so you if you wanted you could provide parking from one of the houses to the parking lot through that easement situation so i think as ownership you could resolve your own issue in terms of allowing parking from one of the houses on the other um but with regards to on street parking that there's no way that we can say hey there are customers or anyone else can't use that that's just my my biggest concern was that if she told her customers make sure you park in the back in the lot rather than on the street and uh if you're interested in buying 14 11 we would sell it to you as well um because like i said we do have an accepted offer on 1407 which closes that on the second of people so that was my only concern for being here um but otherwise you'll see on your i don't know you didn't purchase the property already it's contingent on the okay um we do own that easement on the backside of your lot so the east is access to the parking lot in back of 1407 but our 1411 is landlocked between your building and the other building and so there is no no way of having any kind of other parking unless the new owners for 1407 would leave the people from 1411 park in their lot which they might but it's no guarantee so okay Kim could you maybe mention a little bit you had indicated i think in your application that you might be doing some painting and some staining or something to the exterior the building after you get in yeah you could mention a little bit about the improvements also to that exterior okay so the wood that's on the building i really really like that and i want to preserve that so that'll all be um power washed and then the the building itself will be painted like a warm gray color um there it will be with uh i don't know if you can pull the pictures up there's with one of the rooms in between there's like a window so two of the windows are going to come out leaving the third window and then it'll blend in with the windows that go along this side i think it's farther in um but it'll be a nice a gray color and then the front door will be replaced also because that's old and falling apart um tomorrow i meet with precision they're doing the roof needs to be replaced so they'll be doing a um material called Duralast so it's like i guess the Cadillac of roughs so i don't have to replace a rubber rough anytime soon um but i'm talking with him about the wood that's on the top part i don't know if it's this office or the fascia but about covering that so we have to go over options because the length is too great that it would like warp so we're going to figure out what to do there or if we just have to replace boards because it looks like on the what would be the northeast corner a truck may have hit the corner so that has to be replaced but um we just had to make sure it makes sense you know so sounds good again did you mention also how long you've been working in the city my husband's been with the city for 30 years and yourself you've been in sure i've always you've been working in your business in the city how long have you been my business has been open since 2017 yeah yeah i think you know this is one another one of these where you have a building like this that's vacant and to have the opportunity to have someone improve it and upgrade it with the type of services that aren't that impactful um makes a lot of sense so staff is recommending approval a lot of times um matters like this come to plan commission and we have certain conditions of approval um things like getting their permits and occupancy you know if there's dumpsters that there's dumpsters enclosure so there's a couple conditions in there and if you guys approve it i'd recommend you approve it with those conditions of approval yeah and to address the parking like for what i do i have clients that are there for an hour sometimes up to two hours depending on what they're having done so there's not a lot of traffic that's coming and going all day i only see about three to four clients a day um i have seen more but that's usually on the weekends and then um it's like earlier morning so i'm not sure i know our vastos is really busy um but for me the location will be nice because i'm way out on business drive there's nothing out there i do get a lot of people that come from out of town especially now with covid with um the american club their spas aren't running at full capacity or ostoff or blue harbor so i have a lot of people coming on the weekends and when they come in groups i can only see one person at a time so it'd be nice that i can send them around the corner to go get coffee or across the street to get a sandwich but there's more options in the area that they can they can visit so that would be nice paul did you have anything on this uh paul also invested in the neighborhood he's with a rosto uh delicatessen so we've had a lot of uh nice investment in this particular area uh section of 13th with johnson with this with the rosto um and others that i may not be mentioning and not doing that purposely but it it's been a nice uh little redevelopment in this section of this neighborhood anybody have any questions i'd like to make a motion to entertain a motion to approve this one very second second kevin okay we'll have a vote on it anybody has any questions all in favor say aye congratulations kevin you got yourself a deal thank you so much thank you i shouldn't have been troubled are you giving out free certificates to uh uh practicing to your neighbors so we can have a problem with parking anyway moving along anybody have any more business to bring to the meeting today and i'll entertain a motion over your motion to the yard all in favor say aye hi post thank you for coming all right thanks everybody appreciate it