 Yn y gynnweithio, mae gyd wedi rhoi bod yn cael eu cafnod o'r cynllun i'n cefnod o'r pethau yn rhanau bod yn rhanau bryda o'r cyhoedd ac yn cael eu castền gael y bryd. Rwy'n fwymyn i'r cysylltur hefyd yn gweithio ei gynhwys cymryd dillaw ar gyfer y dda. Mae'r ddiffydd hwnnw wedi ysgrifft ar gael gwahongol Cymru. Llywodraeth Cresed, Llywodraeth Cresed, Llywodraeth Cresed a Llywodraeth Jypanol. Yn yr hyn, dweud y cyfle sy'n cwylwch. Mae'r cyfle sy'n cyfle sy'n cyfle sy'n cyffredigol ar y cyflodau i'r mwyaf rhaid o'r 5 rydym i'r cyflodau cyflodau sy'n dweud y cyflodau sy'n cyflodau sy'n cyflodau sy'n cyflodau dyma. Felly oes i'r cyflodau o'r problemu, rwy'n oedd i wedi'i gofal gyda'r cyflodau. Rwy'r rhanu野fwylech, yn yr hyn sydd ymdweud hynny'n gwertheg hynny. Yn y cwertheg y byd y dypa fydd yn ymgyrch ar y stylu a'r Rhanu野fwylech wedi allegations. Felly mae'n gydag ei bod yn ei wneud hwn y ffzes. Diolch o'r rhanu野fwilech yn ei wneud hynny. Wrth gwrs, y cynghorain maes yn gael i'r trope ffasgol meddwl, oherwydd mae'n croes i fynd arłyf yn swyddiaeth �fgreddedog. Y dweud y clywed o'r ffordd, ac rwy'n rhaid i'w gilydd i'w ffordd ar y cyflog. Rwy'n rhaid i'w dweud y mae'n cyflog o'r hyn o'r hyn, oherwydd mae'n rhaid i'w dweud i'w dweud i'w dweud o'r hyn o'r ffordd o pandora'r bobl. Mae'r ddim oedd y cyflog o'r ddau yma yma yw'r cyflog, yw'r ddau o'r ddau o'r cyflog o'r profi. Mae'r rhai dweud eich cymddiant yn ysgrifennu'r bwyd ac yn ddiogelion y ddiogelion ymgyrchol maes ar y dyfodol fy modell, ond at y dyfodol arall, mae'r ysgrifennu'r ddechrau ar y 2009 yn eraill o gweithio'r baith ym 2007. A ddisgwyddiolaeth ym nesaf yn fawr sy'nedaeth at y prif oes gyda'n ddysgu i'r mwrdd. Mae'n fwyaf i ddefnyddio i fynd i fan hynny sy'n hwnna fânol yn glwasio'r oedd i ddweud ddı-ddi-ddi. Ond ond roeddwn ni'n meddwl hyn, dweud, i ddolw'r effeithio eich ates ar y ddweud rwy'n meddwl o'r newid wrth. a we're asking a really serious question as to whether we want that to be part of the 2030 future. So our thinking is that we don't like the back load, we think it is not tinkering around the edges and it's not really going to have that much of a price impact, it's more of a political signal to say that, look, we as European institutions, we as European stakeholders back the ETS, we want it to work, we're prepared to set up and prepare for a number of things. That's what the back load is all about. And what that's doing is allowing more and more time and if I was to make a wish, the wish would be that in that time that a lot of the industrial sectors who originally started off and supported the emissions trading scheme concept, it wasn't the UK government, it wasn't the Danish government, it was the companies who said we would prefer a market-based approach in those countries that allowed those countries to invest in that architecture. Those companies now need to come forward and give us policy makers a bit more direction. Do we really back the ETS? Do we really want it to work? It's for them to come forward and allow us to have another debate about emissions trading. Going on to that, the point about China. As E3G and myself, we're working with one of the pilot schemes in China and there's two important things that are worth knowing about the scheme. It's going to be very different from the European scheme, very, very different. However, every single person in the local government, in the central government and all of the supporting agencies have their annual performance review based upon the success of their emissions trading scheme. So that means if it fails, jobs will be lost and they'll be lost very, very quickly. One of the dynamics that's happened just very recently is the Chinese national government has kind of indicated that there are a couple of front runners within the pilot schemes. That's already led to people being very anxious about their future within the Chinese political system and all of a sudden those regions who are not in the front runners are the ones who are ringing us up every day now saying, okay, what do we do to get back into number one status? China has a race to the top in carbon legislation. I agree with Barbara, it's a messy country, one good step, sometimes it's undermined but they're moving in a direction. The one question that I can never answer is if they want to go down the route of emissions trading, why would they want to invest that much political capital when Europe itself is sitting down and watching their emissions trading scheme wither away? I think that's a really difficult one because that goes back to our credibility. We have no choice but to strengthen the emissions trading scheme, it's vital for us. Can I just make one final point, if I may, around the issue of embedded emissions and border taxes which sometimes go together, sometimes they're kept apart. Border measures are high politics. There's no walking away. Once you make that threat, if you cannot back it up credibly, people will see through it. Now we have a border dispute at the moment in the ETS aviation and I'm sure that all of the Irish Environment Minister and Aviation Minister are having a wonderful discussion around whether they would like to have these border measures extended to the steel sector or the cement sector or any other sector. Europe is a huge trading bloc. We set the rules and what you find from the international negotiations from Australia, from China is that almost word for word everybody copies what we do. We have huge soft power. Now the easy option would be to threaten everybody. I don't think people will listen to our threats. I don't think they'll copy our threats but if we go with sound credible solutions then actually I'm pretty happy to bet my mortgage that people will copy our sound solutions. On the embedded emissions, sorry, the reverse side of that discussion is embedded emissions. Now the two countries that talk a lot about embedded emissions are Poland and China. Now the Poles say we would like to have consumption based policies because they're not responsible for their emissions, somebody else's. That might work for a country like Poland, however if China is put in that box then effectively you've let the one off the hook and this is the one that's changing the most. I just want to kind of be positive here. This is a slightly negative in a sense that we're very inward looking because we're so close to the coal face. We're forgetting that we actually achieved a lot in 2008 and 2009 Europe was about to go into the biggest recession ever yet the political decision makers actually did the right thing. They're under a lot of pressure to delay the package, to go back and look at it after the recession. They actually took a very courageous step and I think it fills me with a lot of confidence that when the chips are down, European institutions and our national institutions and everybody within the system is actually able to do the right thing. It's not the perfect thing but it's a step in the right direction and that's the kind of confidence we need when it comes to not just looking at the emissions training scheme, not just looking at where our own internal machinations and political deadlocks are but the real power that we have on the international scene. We should never forget that.