 It's the end of an era. The DCU is dead, unlike at least it went in this movie because they don't kill anyone. Yeah, this is perhaps the best entry. This is the best Aquaman movie. Hmm, I tell you, I would remember the first one. What's your opinion on that? Pringy, I validate my opinion really, really bad. Um, I don't know, I feel like they're the same. They're like, they're bad as bad as each other. Does Orm lift this one above the first? My favorite payoff in both films would be in this one. So, yeah, which, I mean, there is, there is less once in destruction in this one compared to the first one. But a white wash in a history, the crab people don't seem to remember what happened. Crab King miraculously alive when he was absolutely killed by Arthur while he was tackling like a madman. Maybe his body regenerated. Well, he said that all he lost was his arm. Oh, OK. But he blamed Orm for that. Well, it's because Orm did it. He chopped up, but he blamed him for that but didn't blame Arthur for killing many, many, many of his men when he burst out of the ocean floor with that giant monster. Do you think it's like a pressure, political pressure thing? Like he's like, if I just don't bring it up, we can be friends. So it's like an Elon Musk situation. This is Elon's fault for allowing this misinformation. No, that was off stream. That joke won't make any. They won't have a context for that. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, that won't count. Damn, it would have been great to trust me. Kind of funny to me looking at like the Aquaman movies is how much they made Aquaman like a psycho. He's like a crazy. He's a crazy guy. He isn't growing a lot of the time. A lot of the time. Right, people. Is that and is the I'm so fucking over the dude, bro. It's like, how did it get this far? It's ridiculous. Well, you're all like that. It's it's kind of weird. I don't know that much about Aquaman, I'll be honest. But what I do know is that Aquaman in the comics and in other material, like animated stuff and games is generally presented as very dutiful and stoic. But because of the memes around Aquaman, it feels like they kind of were like, well, we got to make him like a fun bro guy, because that'll that'll like get people in the door. You know, he's not a he's not a goofy. He he he's a goofy clown man who talks to fish. But he he winks and nudges at the camera when he does it. So it's OK. This is like that. And they were kind of right, because the first film miraculously inexplicably made billion dollars. On our year in review, we said about the insincerity of a lot of films being there downfall. This is this is peak that they can't take things seriously for even a split second. There's one one payoff I like, and it's where they take it completely seriously. They manage to maintain the tone for about 10 seconds. There are there are a lot of scenes where the conversation they do the thing that you're meant to do in a film where you you're like meant to be developing your through lines for the central conflict between the characters. And they'll have that happen every maybe like 15, 20 minutes for 20, 30 seconds. And then it's like, well, no, back to the fun, quippy adventure. Random explosion. I want you to use your brain for thoughts or feelings or emotions. Eat the slop. Drink that sludge. Make it make a big ol sludge smoothie. We're going to turn it into a very very very sludgy. Let's make a sludge, which I guess I don't know if that's a fitting end to the DCEU or not. Oh, no, I think it fits. I think the flash was a more fitting ending to the DCEU. You know, yeah, that felt like the aqua. Yeah, the flash was like kind of everything culminating in this disaster in the last couple of movies. The last few months has just been everybody accepting that it's over, but they've still got movies coming out. So it's a very weird position to be in. It's like, yeah, we know it's over, but here's two more movies. It's like, oh, OK, more like two hundred million dollars. You know, it's not like this ain't a cheap movie, but yet nobody cares really. I've heard nobody talk about this or mention it. This really is like the hidden movie. Well, it's funny, hidden. It has outgrossed the marvels. I still feel like the marvels had more to see. You know, it had like people meming on it before it came out and discussing it and making fun of it. This has somehow slipped just under everyone's, I guess, discussion agenda. And maybe it is just that the marvels is hyper relevant when it comes to discussing the matter and the state of Marvel and everything like that. DC, we all accept you again. I think the flash was the equivalent of that. Like everyone did talk about that. I've noticed it. Yeah, one is, you know, the death of the king versus the death of some random Duke somewhere, you know, it is funny. Aquaman, again, to remind people, Aquaman one is the most successful DC film, like in terms of every single margin, isn't it? Everybody knows that's a bit of a fraud, but not like it like legally. But like nobody, no, it's kind of an avatar. Like it's a bit of a flump, isn't it? It's like a flimpy one bow thing of, oh, yeah, Aquaman made more money than the Dark Knight. OK, yeah, yeah, but really statistically, it's put up on this pedestal, but we're all surrounded in this big room. We're all looking each other like, I don't see why. Yeah, it's like it's a clerical error. Like something was delivered to the wrong address or somebody accidentally engraved the wrong name onto the trophy is awkwardly like stepping off the pedestal. Like I shouldn't be here. This is ridiculous. Even films like what? I made how much money? How did that happen? What? I mean, I'll take it, but what? But obviously the results are not being repeated this time around, which again, it feels appropriate because Aquaman and Captain Marvel came out around the same time, made around about the same money and look like they're going to make around the same percentage of what the first film made, which is considerably less, more like 20, 30 percent, which is kind of incredible. But it's quite a drop off. RIP Bozer. Because earlier it passed 300 million now. So that's more already more than I expected, to be honest. It's not great, it's kind of like over 200 million dollars, but yeah, which is again, staggering, that's so expensive because it looked look pretty bad, I think I still happily say it's better than the marvels and better than the flash. And yeah, I don't think it can be as bad as a flash with all of the time travel. And we said on the very fake of the the year of you that it's better than Rebel Moon as well, Rebellion. It is. It is. I think it might it might be better than the first film like slightly, which is it out. Yeah, which we like to be here, OK. It would make like three out of ten, if that was the case. Hey, this is nice, though. It's a movie that we didn't like open by saying this is the worst move of all time. And we have to reassure people that series like, no, no, it's really bad. But no, yeah, this is a really bad movie. It's but it's really like not the kind of film that makes me angry. No, like it's just kind of like this clown movie that I can kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a little sad that my species and civilization produced it. But, you know, I don't have a personal stake in it. And it didn't insult me directly. I just I find it easy to laugh at these movies, not in the way that they want because I remember something that annoyed me the way people talk about the first one of it's a fun movie. It's like it's fun at its expense. Yes, but it's not fun in the ways it wanted to be like a lot of the jokes in the first movie and this one don't land. But when they play the fucking all music, when he shows up on screen three times in 30 seconds, that's hilarious. Yeah, I watched that game with Madal and I was looking out for the theme this time and it pops up so much. It's great. And then when Black Matter shows up, they play the theme as well. And then they do this like for a lot of things in this movie, like establishing a shot music and then as soon as they start beating something up, it's like heroic music, like very, very loudly. Like, it's like, do you see that? See, this is like super heroic. It's like, yeah, I guess they keep playing the the Aquaman theme a lot as well, which I mean, it's a well, I've gotten tired of that one. They will have you have you know, that's the that's the champagne on the Nile theme song. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. The champagne to fill the Nile song. The champagne is the Nile. So that was a funny line delivery. Anyway, it's a good job. You're going to go chronological because there's a trigger. That's probably the way to go. Oh, boy. Yes. Though, I can't imagine we're going to be going into everything because there's a lot of waste, like like padded time in this movie. Oh, yeah. Well, there's a lot of weird shit happens. That I just don't care about. Oh, yeah. I don't think I ever laughed at this movie in earnest. It was always I got the most annoyed. I got was every time we got close to being serious in any way. Who get dude bro joke? I was like, isn't isn't Arthur a wacky dude, bro? Well, the one I am, I even brought up on FNT, I think, was he's like, I didn't even like it's your obsession with like destroying the surface that made me even try to stop you and take the throne. And then Olm was like, what? Like my whole life, I was told you were coming for my throne. Like that was I was always going to happen. He was like, no, I just I didn't want the throne. I just didn't want you to destroy everyone. And from there, it's like, oh, this could be interested. Oh, and then he says, you know, so he's like at you for me. He's like, yeah, and I would with like a nearly one without any prep. Roasted, roasted. He actually says roaster. I was like, oh, I was like, what? Like you you that was and you know, getting close to doing something with your characters, but then you got too scared to follow through. They do know where it comes from. I don't know where this this trend has risen from. What is it? Was it a fear of or is is it a fear of something or does it want to become something? I think it's I think it is just that the thinking goes, you need to keep people happy and laughing. You can't make things too serious or too sad for too long. You got to make you got to maintain an upbeat tone. Not realize the perfect synthesis of this as we come out of the cinema going, holy shit, that film had everything. That felt amazing. Exactly. No, I know, I totally agree. I think that you need to push for more of the extremes of longer and greater amounts of, you know, sadness to emphasize the peaks in the depths rather than having a little like a little, you know, like a little slope that's like maybe it does a very slow decline. Oh, actually, I guess it would be like just like a shallow like a little pond, you know, like a little bump in the road. It feels appropriate to reference Whedon, right? But it's just it takes a bit more of a surgeon's hand, so to speak. For example, when Iron Man gets thrown out of the building, right, almost dying, flies back up and there's one person you've forgotten. And I think, you know, it's prompted in a sense of like, oh, obviously, yeah, himself shoots Loki and he says his name was Phil. And it's like funny because like you just booped him and it's like him being badass and coming back up. It's also referencing someone who's just died and had one of the most impactful deaths in the MCU. Like that's that's a balance. That's something to be kind of careful with. We can smile, but also be sad. And it's like, that's not easy to do. A lot of people do it anyway, like they try anyway. Well, it's maybe that's like the biggest mistake that people make is assuming that comedy is is like easier than drama when comedy is incredibly challenging. It's yeah, comedy is really difficult. It's tough to tell people what the versus you could make a pretty. It wouldn't be that difficult to come up with very easy examples and a sort of template for creating drama. But to do the same thing for comedy, like it's like procedural or like it's an equation, you just can't. It's it's a lot more difficult because there's so much unspoken about it. And a lot of it seems to be intuitive and reacting to what's happening around you and the timing. It's more complex for people to try to make rules. They definitely some like rule, you know, the rule of three with comedy or just the general idea of subverting expectations. But then, you know, anti jokes are subversions of the expectation of the subversion, it's like it's it gets it's it's it's really difficult and particularly trying to figure out what is the balance between having those jokes to make people laugh, but also ensuring that our dramatic beats are not only not compromised by any jokes that we decide to throw on that may undermine the tension or the drama. But even that the jokes can help sort of accentuate and elevate the drama, that balance as we've seen with a huge amount of Marvel movies over the last few years is not it's not something that you can do effortlessly. And I think they've really shot themselves on the foot in terms of their longevity by undercutting all of their emotional and dramatic moments and makes them far less memorable and nothing really sticks with you. You don't walk out of the theater really with any sort of lingering feeling of endearment towards the earnestness of the film. And when you extend that towards the sequels and things in the cinematic universe down the road and you look back on like, who are these people? What are they doing? What's the point? Why am I attached to it? You're just kind of left empty. It becomes fast food. It's not really it's not filling in a meaningful way. As was mentioned, it's just content in terms of comparing the complexity, right, like it's not much of a reward or celebration of the film to say that they've got all of them going, you wanted my throne because you wanted it. And then he's like, no, didn't actually want it at all. It's like, oh, that's interesting, super easy. Like that's fucking in tier one drama creation. Maybe the equivalent for that would be Aquaman Slips on a banana peel. And it's like, isn't that funny? You're like, it's fine. Like you say, it's funny. It's the drama, of course, what I want is at least like a fucking tier two where you have them have a realization or a bit of something comes out that wasn't meant to come out and now it causes something later. Just that's like that feels like the next step is like what's tier three? It is like multiple dimensions and then growth. And, you know, I feel like I'm trying to write a book on right here off the top of my head. But the point is just the comedy and drama have this. They probably map on to each other in terms of construction somewhat. But like the greatest drama and the greatest comedy are both going to be really difficult to pull off. Meanwhile, the skill floors maybe they're similar as well. They're like basic jokes. But even, I don't know, I feel like a general audience is getting the brothers to have conflict over things that they haven't yet sorted out versus oops, I slipped over. Just I just feel like the drama is going to have more effect than basic comedy. And that is in a sense what implies the ease of doing the drama. We were just essentially saying they're damaging the drama they're coming up with with comedy because they're so incompetent. They can't do comedy. It's like, oh, so they're not incompetent enough to do the drama either. And it's like, I guess they're competent enough to do basic drama. The fact that there's meant to be character ox. And yeah, the fact that they're like, oh, King Dolph Lundgren, he doesn't like Orm. And then it's like, oh, no, I'm in trouble. Orm save me. And then the camera goes, will Orm save him? And we go, and then he goes, he does. And then the king is like, I like you, Orm. And then we go, yay. That's what I mean. It's like, I feel like the comedy, the comedy equivalent of that might actually be someone going like, you're a stinky poo poo. And then they go, oh, I'm offended. And then the whole audience laughs. But like to just like, oh, yeah, funny. Yeah, just trying to make a point about the whole drama of his comedy thing. It's like, it feels like the drama would that that what I just described about the drama, that's so crap. But I think most audiences would be like, cool, thumbs up. You did a thing. Yeah. While the comedy equivalent, they'd be like, hmm. You get like free drama just from having a story with the minimal amount of conflict that creates that creates that bottom line. It's just that what makes it funny is the threshold of it made you laugh. Or at the very least, it made you smile compared to just noticing. Yeah, is what it is when it comes to advancing drama. Like you've succeeded at comedy when you're getting someone to laugh. Like plain and simple. If you can't get them to laugh, then like it's not working. And that's, I guess, more of a it's just more clear whether it's working or not. Isn't it compared to someone looking at drama and just going, yeah, yeah. That's, yeah, I like it. Yeah, like I said, I think that the average audience member is willing to give more points for literally having, oh, no, a demon. And then a man goes, hello, I am Prince brave. And then he kills the demon we'd be like, yay. While the joke equivalent of that is like, knock, knock, who's there? Me, me, who, you or some shit. You're just like, what? As long as you just, you know, that sort of level, I just feel like comedy has to work a bit harder. And it's just funny to watch how they're incompetence with comedy kills. They're already incompetence with drama. That's what we're seeing over and over again. I suppose we should get started with the film. Yeah, I suppose so. Let's do it. Let's talk about Aquaman, too. The search for the. The revenge land. The the quest for the lost kingdom. The the tardy. Oh, and not that we can talk about this whatever, but just did anyone on Earth have trouble detecting the theme of the film at all? The oh, about how brothers should stick together in the importance of family and forgiveness and second chance. That one, I feel like isn't as over as you just talking about like global warming. Yes, obviously. Yeah, the only mention at like 17 times. Oh, my God, it's actually like just the worst ever. Global warming is so bad it breaks the curse of the blood spell. It's just that I just find it funny that the film in this film in the DC world, Black Manta is like primarily responsible for global warming is primarily here's the largest contributor, larger than any given nation on the planet. Anyway, the film opens with the first of 20 really bad exposition dumps. Oh, sick. There are so many of you to remember anything about what the fuck has happened or is going on. And I don't blame them because no one does. They were correct to assume that no one remembered anything about anything. A lot of a lot of the opening and plenty of other parts in the film as well are clearly made with the understanding that maybe Aquaman made a billion dollars, but fucking nobody who watched it remembered what happened in it. And they need to remind you of everything that is going to be relevant while forgetting about all of the things that might contradict anything that is present in this film. I mean, the big the big new development is that that Arthur good old Aquaman. He's got a he's got a big old seahorse called Storm that he rides in on to fight some pirates. I guess he got that seahorse some other time when it feels like wouldn't the normal way be that you have him get the seahorse on his journey or something? Or you could just write it to where he already has it problem solved. I guess so, because you just have to sort of accept. Oh, I guess he's just got a big seahorse that he rides on to go to battle. But he does. He's got a seahorse. Got a seahorse. Well, the seahorse will become extremely important, prominent and pivotal throughout the entire film. So it's good that they established that he has this one. The opening exposition dump where he talks about himself again is incredibly insecure because it keeps referencing the whole like, oh, I talked to fish and people think that's kind of lame, but I don't care. It's like, well, I mean, you obviously care. You brought it up. I don't think do people actually think that's lame? Or is that just a lie? That's just I feel like that's only the meme. Basically, I feel like at the meme because there's nothing. There's nothing I would say that there's never heard anyone make fun of him for that, really. Like, maybe if you go back 15 years or so, it was like a SpongeBob joke or something. But I don't actually feel like people think that's a lame thing to make fun of him for. I think I think the problem is that, like, there's not that much broad exposure or understanding of Aquaman beyond the idea that he's kind of a meme. And so because of that, it means that like a lot of because, I mean, there's definitely there's clearly been responses in like the comics and obviously in films and games and stuff like that to the idea that Aquaman is lame. Well, they did the boys thing of the boys Aquaman guy, the deep. That's right. That's sort of do that with him. But I again, I just like the idea that he is really powerful underwater and can like command the sea to do things for him. You know, that's just like, yeah, that's I mean, that's just a power set. It is. They should stop doing the whole talk to fish meme. It's pretty tired and like it's not very funny. And they should stop letting it be a thing that gets like them so annoyed that they have to like front load about how they totally don't care that people make fun of him because he can talk to fish. But yeah, if you're if I mean, if you have water powers, if you can control the ocean and you're really strong underwater, then being able to talk to fish can really tip the scales in your favor. I mean, you saw it in the first movie, him talking to fish car. OK, he just he killed so many people. So many of you guys that he was going to lead going forward with this fish. So, you know, the big the relevant factoids, the relevant like details of his life is that he's now married to a Mara and has a kid by who I am. Yeah. Oh, OK. Well, you're going to you're going to like sporadically be seeing her and she's not going to say much. No, the film was obviously chopped up a bit to DC. DC made a gamble and they did not win that gamble. No, no. And it's pretty there. There are some parts, especially towards like the latter portions of the film where it's pretty apparent that the film has been chopped being a bit butchered in the editing bay, like very significantly. In any case, there's just like a big montage of it's just oh, look at look at Aquaman, he's not very. He doesn't really like his job kind of, you know, oh, boy, but he likes riding motorcycles. Well, it's the it's the political element that he doesn't like. He doesn't like sitting in meetings, doing all the work that a king does. Ninety nine point nine percent of the time, which is listening to advisors and talking to a council and trying to do what's best for the people in signing tax forms and making a budget is like, yeah, well, eventually reveal. He just likes killing. He's a violent man. Yeah, I must say in any alternative where he can go and kill people. He's in that. He loves it. Aquaman is the anti-Viscerus. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess he would have to hate his family to be the anti-Viscerus. And he doesn't like his mother. So we're halfway there. Yeah, I guess. He likes him by the end, though. Oh, they do a lot of them. They like there's a there's a few piss jokes during the opening montage. Oh, my God, you're right. A standard. Oh, I got a chance to die for honey and then there's a second one it pisses in his mouth like twice. Well, yeah, because the second time Mery uses her little she uses her like power to control water to like shoot the piss into his face. Which is new because I thought you would be better with poop, but, you know. Yeah, like it's it's it's not a good one with just piss jokes like wrapping the outset. It reminds me of the really legitimately uncomfortable cat licking its genitals thing from the Marvels. It was this weird. That was really weird. Yeah, that one legitimately made me kind of uncomfortable to watch. And this one was almost getting there, where we have this very indulgent insistence that the baby pissing in Aquaman's mouth was something that I should really find funny. Larry is what's piss is funny. That's that's the thinking that's as far as it went. Another thing as well, I found this funny is like he's given as big he's talking about all these things. It's like, oh, you know, when I became king, they didn't tell me about this council. It's like they didn't tell you about it because they hadn't come up with that. They had like that wasn't in the first movie. There was no council that we saw that was like really important in terms of I don't know how much you guys remember about like the Aquaman one politics, but they were insane and stupid. And like Ocean Master Orm's whole plan was that he needed to get like all of the kingdoms. I think he needed like five out of seven or four out of seven. Yeah, he needed the crabs and the mermaids and all that stuff to do whatever. Yeah. And then that meant that he would be able to go to war on the surface. That was like his whole angle. And in this one, they mentioned these other kingdoms, but they don't think about them nearly as much. They're trying to localize it way more on Atlanta specifically, while also adding other elements that they then breach anyway. But yeah, like it's this opening montage. It doesn't set a good tone. It's just lots of really basic jokes, pretty sloppy exposition. It's it's not very good. No, it's definitely. Yeah, sloppy with an understandable lack of faith that you don't remember anything. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, which again is no one remembers talking to anything. Nobody remembers made a million dollars and no one remembers anything about it. It's like Avatar kind of. It is like Avatar. Right. We then we then after the montage, our first like scene of just. And we're back. Sorry about that. Oh, I had a classic internet fuckery. Just when I was explaining alone for a moment, the beautiful opening scene past the montage was a sheep chewing on the internet lines. Yeah, seahorse was a was a seahorse. Seahorse. Nying on the under undersea cable. You're saying that Aquaman's like seahorse storm was messing with Mola's internet to stop him from talking about this movie. That's rude. Interesting. They mean trying to stop us, which now makes this even more special. You're hearing it out there. This is the government don't want you to hear this. That's right. So after the montage, which we were talking about, the first like scene of just regular conversation is I just keep calling them Boba Fett. Oh, yeah, that is Boba Fett. So Boba Fett and Aquaman. Oh, and this is because again, this this room is really subtle. They they just start having a conversation because they're like, oh, you know, maybe your son Arthur Jr. There you got to you got to give him some siblings. You know, brothers is like, oh, all right. I guess this is this is the theme that we're trying to build for this movie. Yeah, just talking about like, oh, you know, brothers, they got to get along. All right. You got a brother's need to work together. You know, my brother was my brother is a dick and killed my father. So I like screw that. We have conflict. Also, they really got that drama check, didn't they? Drama and easy for story make. Also, they they they got that Guinness paycheck in this one, then they. Oh, yeah, man. It didn't occur to me at the time, but you're right. Yeah. Guinness is like the fridge opens as like 50 of Guinness in there. Right next to the baby bottles in the smash hit film Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. Oh, imagine the promotion. If you go to the liquor store and all the Guinness bottles have his fucking face on it with his goofy fucking grin going like, I'm the king of the sea. And this is my favorite alcohol on the ocean or something. It's just there's not much to be said. That's basically that's the whole thing is advancing the thing of like brothers should get along and you two don't get along. I sure hope that's not the case at the end of the film. There is a lot more scenes of Boba Fett in this one than in the original based off of memory. There's a few things actually having a couple of conversations with Aquaman. One of them kind of like endearing. It's it's because like one of the big sort of I'm not sure. I think I think they got around about the same. It's just that he got a lot of his scenes at the beginning of the film in the first one, this one, they were kind of like a little bit more spread out. He gets a lot at the beginning and then a bit at the end. It's just funny, because if you would have asked me before watching the movie, it's like, oh, no, he died in the first one. I'm pretty sure it could be attacked. It was like, oh, he probably died. That was like right at the beginning of the movie. That was a flashback. The more relevant one was that massive tidal wave. That right, all of the are remember in that film, that tidal wave hit all of the east coast of the United States, which a lot of people live there. There's a lot of big New Yorkers on the East Coast. New York, Boston, Philadelphia, you know, ten places. But in any case, another relevant bit of information from the scene is that Arthur Jr. couldn't talk to fish. And they have a conversation like, hey, you can talk to fish like me. We're going to go on so many adventures together. And then title screen Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom. Wow, I found this this aquarium there. Kind of weird. It's just standing there with like five fish in it. Fish tank, are they not plead for freedom every day? And he was going to say talk to fish. Well, like you could enslave fish. Well, that's that's what he does, enslave them to fight your wars and die and sacrifice their lives for your political games when they'd rather just be frolicking around in the sea. But I mean, yeah, that's basically that we were over in Antarctica and Black Manta comes in and they play the music and it's really funny. I thought the title was weird, too, in the iceberg. Oh, the yeah, the title card is like a big explosion or like the ice is crumbling and then it reveals Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom carved out of the ice. Yeah, because I thought Aquaman the meltdown. How would be like a monster coming out of the ice? I was like, oh, no, it's a title screen. OK, no, we're not up to the monsters. It represents a terrible monster, but it isn't the monster. Yeah. Black Manta has got like a crew of people down in Antarctica trying to do like an excavation. And and we get we get a little bit more exposition. So Dr. Shin, who was a character who plays in the Marvel stuff? Some shield, that's for sure. The actor is all right, right? So. Oh, no, wait, not. Well, sort of. Is he with is he with soldiers? He was like the CIA FBI type people. He was with I think it was the FBI. Yeah. Yeah. The point being that it's Dr. Shin, who was I think he was in the first movie like briefly. He was on like TV and then he got recruited in the post credit scene with bands like I'm I'm a kill Aquaman. You're going to help me, buddy. I didn't even remember that, but all right. Yeah, that's right. That was set up in the first he's practically a main character in this one. He gets a lot more screen time than Amber does. A lot more screen time. What a great character he is. I'm so glad we see so much of him. If you Google for the cast, like Amber, it comes up first. She's got third billing. But she she does not have third billing screen time. No. In any case, they're looking for Atlantean technology and and and like he's out sort of just out in the middle of Antarctica away from their base and this guy comes up to him and it's like, oh, we're standing above a bunch of seismic rays, whatever that means. I mean, I raise that is. Yeah, that's an odd thing. I never heard seismic rays waves. I've heard seismic waves. Maybe he did say waves, but it sounded like he said rays. They probably fucked it up. Yeah. And they've got like a big screen show and then and then an earthquake just happens. Yeah, no inconvenience, right? Well, it's simultaneously inconvenient and convenient because yeah, they fall into the crevasse and the no name guys like gets broken and Dr. Shins find it even though it looks like they fell a good 30 meters. It's pretty high. It's a long way to fall because they have a shot looking up. Where he's like standing up and holding a flare and that crevasse looks really high. They fell a long way. Maybe he landed on a slope or something like Winnie the Pooh. No, it's very soft ice. They landed on. Yeah, I mean, I mean, ice is known for being incredibly soft. Yeah, there is a lot of snow. Maybe he had a very thick parka. I mean, like a safety balloon around him. I presume that if I fall from like 30 meters high onto a bunch of snow, that it's still going to mess me up a lot. Oh, absolutely. It would just become really dense. And it doesn't snow a lot in Australia at all. Yes, no snow will help a bit, but I think there's definitely a limit for how much snow will protect you from. Yeah, I assume there's a little snow underground. He's he's got plot armor. Yeah, you're right. He's got a lot of plot armor. He might have the most plot armor in the film. I mean, he falls. He has a morality armor, too. Yeah, basically that they're they're in this little and this little crevasse that they're like, oh, what's that? And what caused that earthquake? And then and then the ice breaks in a big flute monster appears. A tentacle monster. Yeah. And then he grabs the guy with a broken leg and drags him away. And then and then that's that. Like, that's just that guy gone. You showed your purpose of being here to die. See, that's right. And now the movie can drag you away with an evil tentacle and we can proceed. Well, it is kind of funny how like because the first movie had this as well of just like, yeah, here's some guys that are just there to die horribly. Yeah, that's that's the only purpose they serve. You know, yeah, the modern day red shirts. Yeah, pretty much. He's not very he's not very choked up about it or a doctor, man. He's vaguely traumatized, but not so much that he can't just be normal. Like two minutes later because he presses like a little button to get some help and they come down and they're like, well, you know, what happened? And he's a little bit shaken. But then he just is basically like totally fine as soon as like the next. I don't think he asks him if his buddy's OK or anything like that. No, because because bad guys don't care about people on their crew getting murdered. I mean, the doctor. Oh, that he doesn't. Well, I don't recall him showing like really any level of concern for his friend being dragged by a monster. Not really. The easier read is that he was concerned for himself. Yeah, he was bad for his own safety. All he says is like, there's something down there. Because we need to get moving. We got a lot to do. We got a lot of plot to do, actually. You say that because they take a lot of time to get to the next anything. You know, yeah, this is the kind of it's the sludge movie. There's so much plot in this movie. So much shit gets brought up by the time they get to the secret land. There is a it feels like we've started an entirely new movie, too. A little bit. It feels like there's so many segments. Well, it's just we got to go to a lot of different places. We got to explain a shit ton about why who is there, what they are, why anything is the way that it is in this location and how it connects to the next place. Because I mean, I wasn't kidding when I said that this film's got like a good maybe seven or eight big exposition dumps. Yeah. And every time they're not some of the contexts are really funny, but we'll get to them like the way they try to actualize them as being actually like, oh, no, we needed this. This is fine. It's not an exposition dump. It's a character. It makes perfect sense. But in any case, they they they head down to where the flume technical monster was, they just start exploring the depths, which we were left to conclude from their conversation that global warming has like melted the ice to where they can now walk around in this massive like area and explore these ancient ruins. Right. At this point, you don't know that Black Manta is personally responsible for climate change. That bastard. You're just at this point because that's that's yeah, like you don't know that. Oh, wait. He oh, no, wait, wait, I'm mixing up. It's not he hasn't personally caused climate change yet. This is just this is just melted normally because they do they do. Apparently they do like a time skip here in a bit that I didn't even properly notice five months time. Yeah, five months before the actual like story like happens proper. This is the big setup, but they're they're exploring these ruins and they're these ancient, you know, the ruins of a long lost place. And there's some spooky skeletons in the ice. Oh, no, they're like diving down into the water to explore. And then more tentacle monsters just burst out and launch a surprise attack and kill everybody except except Black Manta, who it's the tentacle monster throws him really far into the sea floor and he's fine. It throws him really far. Again, we're talking like 50, 60 meters hard into the sea floor. And he's just fine. And of course, the tentacle monsters know that he's the main antagonist. So they they spare him when all of the other bad guys just get killed horribly. And not only that, the tentacle monster throws him exactly where he needs to go. Obviously, he's part of the plan. Yeah, a real hero setting up the rest of the movie. Because the tentacle monster throws him directly to it's like two halves of a big black trident. He grabs him, puts him together and a bunch of magic green flup burst around and then zooms into Black Manta's eye and there's a spooky monster man who says, I'm going to give you the power to kill Aquaman, but you've got to free me from my prison and then it shows him images of him having killed Aquaman and his entire family while standing there as the house is behind him burning. And he's he's like, yeah, I did it because he's really evil. That's what he wants to do. He just wants to kill Aquaman and his whole family. It's I just he's just not hitched. Like, that's all. But remember, the reason why he wants to do it because something that they also show in this is they show direct scenes from the first film, from the opening action scene on the submarine, where Aquaman was fighting Black Manta, his dad and those guys. And Black Manta's dad got pinned under like like a giant rocket. And then Manta said, you got to you got to help me. And Aquaman's like, nah, it walks away, leaves him to die. I think blew himself up to make Black Manta leave. So that's the setup is Black Manta. He wants to get revenge. That's about it, really. That's all you know about Black Manta. He wants to he wants to kill Aquaman. You know, he has a little man in him. So hooray, yeah, evil man. Yeah, he's possessed by the spooky demon. Oh, no, he has a name, right? Which Greg Kodak Kodak Kodak. But we don't like Greg better. We call him Greg up to a point. I've just been calling him a spooky skeleton monster man. That's what I'm calling him when I first saw him on screen. I laughed and he looks dumb. You could get away with calling him a spooky monster man throughout the whole film. We wouldn't knowing the the history that they give you doesn't matter at all. But it's fine. But yeah, as was mentioned, five months later, we cut to a news report talking about how climate change is getting worse. And then we I love I love just like, oh, yeah, just show it on television. That's like just just the easy shortcut for bad writers when it comes to exposition is just have the TV news news. Just says what's happening that matters. Isn't Boba Fed like what's going on? Oh, that's that's later. That's the other Xcode dump on the other TV. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's right. This is just Arthur's having a nap. Mara comes in wakes him up and says there's been another plague outbreak. Oh, no. Oh, like a break. We got to that that aforementioned council that never existed before. And basically what they convey is atmosphere is being poisoned, which makes the underwater people sick. And that's the the land people's fault. We're sick of those sick of those people up on land. We should we should go out there and kill them all just like show up and say, hello, please stop. I mean, well, yeah, because because what Arthur says is he wants land is to reveal themselves to the world and engage in diplomacy, which I don't know. To me, that seems like a really good idea. But all of the council really hate this. Basically, that like the or the very no, this is this is what it is. One person on the council hates it and nobody else has a voice because they're not speaking named characters. Oh, yeah. One lady who's antagonistic on the council. Yeah, they basically say we should kill or was actually right. We need to destroy everyone on the land. Pretty much. They basically say like we gave all the power to go to war. So if we ever reveal ourselves to the land, it's going to be so that we can go to war to which it's like, oh, I guess you've solved nothing than Arthur. Yeah, like, yeah, it totally reverses the plot of the first one. Now he just has to deal with a different group of people who want to destroy the surface world. Exactly. It's very strange that they would have them do that instead of them saying, well, we don't know. Like, I don't think he should do that. And maybe secrecy is something we should value and they did it. No, it's like that. Kill them all. Genocide, all your breathers. Something that I find weird is that it seems like part of their notion is, no, we should stay hidden to which I would say, I mean, you honestly believe that nobody is speculating on underwater people when Aquaman is clearly an underwater person. You know what I mean? Oh, like that massive tidal wave of this seemed like unprecedented. I'm sure that at this point it's gotten around that there are absolutely like underwater people. I don't even see how it could be a secret with the Justice League at this point. I mean, the thing that it's kind of funny because you never see them, but like the DC films have established very routinely that the Justice League are like a known entity operating in the world and Aquaman's a part of that team. Exactly. That's what it was going for. And plus, it ain't that much of a stretch, right? Because at this point, people must know about must know about them a skewer as well, surely, because of one woman. I just find it fun to the idea that they actually believe that they'd be hidden. I feel like at this point, everybody knows about Atlantis. I don't even know that. Is it just worth sort of casual measure? Like the world building is absolutely non-existent in this. Oh, it's broken. It's not as bad as the MCU, technically, because of scale, right? Hmm, like, like, well, it's one of the core boxes. Like it's it's got one of the worst elements, which is just zero recognition of any other IP it belongs to in this world, even though that's supposed to be the appeal, at least a portion of it for this kind of storytelling. So, you know, they failed as bad as possible on that front. Every single time any help could be provided by any of the entities in this world that aren't Aquaman that have been established, this is nothing. There's not even a throwaway line. Well, yeah, because I mean, later on, because the reason why I almost part of the film anyway is because Aquaman needs help, essentially. Yeah. And and he's like, oh, well, we can get on. And it's so funny, because, like, you'd get Superman. You know, that's what I said when we watched it as well. You get all those points of him getting him out is like, oh, we need him to establish contact with these criminals. And I don't even I don't even know why the black man and why he's even part of this. Why they know I don't know. I'm just so confused by everything. But yeah, you could have just asked Batman. He could have probably given you the information you need to easily. The best reason they have is, oh, well, all interacted with Black Manta like a couple of times, which is something. But again, compared to just getting Superman to come and help you out, you figure that Superman would have a perspective on Earth suddenly getting dramatically hotter. But I guess not. Because what we're later finding out is like the nature of the climate change that's happening in the DC world here because of what Mans is getting up to is dramatic. We're talking like a dramatic increase in the temperature very, very, very, very quickly. And they provide a very bad explanation as to why they didn't find him before. Yes, they do. But we get we get a little bit of I guess important exposition. Willem DeFoe was in the first movie, if you remember. Yeah, Volko. He got killed offscreen by this plague by plague. Yeah, dead by the plague. Bye, you're not in the movies. Goodbye. It was so funny where he's like, man, I miss him. Yeah. Anyway, it's so crap. That was a character. Hello. And he was a good friend. I I guess to recap the whole council seemed feels like we're doing a complete reset of essentially what was happening in the first film. The way that it was presented was that all wants to become Ocean Master. And in order to do that, he needs to get like you need four out of the seven kingdoms to be on your side, but there's only six that are actually around because the seventh one was gone or whatever. And then he gets Drago. So that's to then he kills the king of one of them. So then he gets three and then he goes to war with the with the the crowd, people to get four. But there was no mention of anything of an internal council like at Atlantis that was relevant for making these decisions. It was all about diplomacy with the other kingdoms. But they're yeah, they've changed their mind. They they were they were always there. They were just never brought up because it turns out they fucking agreed with him. Well, it's even it's even what Arthur said. It's like, they didn't tell me about this when I became King of Slays because I hadn't fucking written that down yet because they were on Orm's side. They were just I guess that's it. We we just have to accept that they were on Orm's side. It seems as if they they are. They seem to be basically say they yeah. Basically, they say we gave all the power to go to war with the surface. So that's that's the only way we're going to reveal ourselves. And then then Arthur's like, God, damn it, I'm not succeeding here. And then he he goes home to whinge to his dad about how much he hates his job. Socks, man. Like, oh, it sucks. I don't like being king. You know, that's that sucks. And then he mentions because this is this is the last time they mentioned Willem Dafoe, he's like, oh, man, Willem Dafoe, he told me to bring the land and the sea together. But half of Atlantis, they still want to go to war with the surface. God, damn, what's a man to do? And they never talk about him again. That's it. He's done out of the picture by. And then Boba Fett gives like a really lame cliche, like emotional motivational speech about like, ah, don't give up. You know, you don't give up. Yeah, doesn't he start with like, can't save a ball, son? OK, you should let the children on the bus die. Wait, what? No, it was another one. Yeah, what's the deal with like dads of superheroes in the DC world? Like, you know, you can't help everybody, pal. To even try. I have to listen to it again, because I forget what he says. I think late. I. Yeah, I don't know. I would with a big thing he basically says is don't give up. That's like that's the gist of his speech. Yeah, that's what a hero should do. Don't give up. The script is on the table and he read it. And he was like, yeah, that's good enough. Yep. And I like, all right, is that my take done? Can I go home now? All right, it's I mean, hey, I get to do more than I did on my own fucking show over at Disney. Oh, yeah, the sorry, the line is like, sometimes the most heroic thing you can do is not give up. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, how generic is that? Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know, it's like, I don't disagree. It's just doesn't it doesn't feel suitable for this story anyway. Like, oh, yeah, it's it's Aquaman as a character and this doesn't come across as someone at the end of the person like rope sort of thing. Comes across as like an annoying little kid who's like, why doesn't anybody do whatever I say to do? I want to go on my bike and go room, room, room. I would be afraid if he was at a bar that I was also at. And I just be like, please, don't look at me. Don't notice me. Just don't notice me. Don't like this is the beginning scene and like an equalizer film. And I'm just like, don't don't don't come close to me. Just get away. Go. Yeah, pulling out a line like sometimes most work thing you can do is not give up or whatever. It just feels like it should be in a different movie. If at all, I still would want to revise it. It feels like a strange statement. Yeah, we need to write Aquaman in a more firm and clear way instead of just generic hero. There's never a time this whole movie where I feel like he's close to giving up never. No, because he loves killing. So like he really loves killing. Yeah. He really does. He's got a lot in common with matter on that one. Speaking of him, he's he's got like this ancient submarine that is now piloting around from this ancient submarine that he retrieved from the ancient ruins of that kingdom in Antarctica. And they they enter it into like stealth mode, which is undetectable by like Atlantis because their submarine's got, you know, like not Atlantean tech, but underwater tech. And then Mansa is like, all right, Dr. Shin, you got to get ready with a with a big gun. They're not mine. This big gun has really important throughout the whole film. And then for the bad guys. And can I just say that I don't know if there has been a cooler submarine sort of design since the one in Atlantis? Do you remember that? Was it what was it called? Yeah, the Ulysses, right? I can't remember. Actually, I don't know. It had that orange like cockpit at the front that was a sphere and even the little mini subs that came out of it had this cool, you know, similar aesthetic to them. But this one looks really lame and generic and not at all memorable. It looks a bit gooberish. It looks it looks a bit like kind of like a goober. And I think it's like it's trying to look a bit like a hammerhead shark a little bit with like these two sort of portraying. Oh, yeah, yeah. On the sides, they show us the bridge. And it's like completely empty and huge. It's like a huge empty space. And it really annoys me because I don't think you would ever do this with a submarine because it's a space. They're very crammed normally. But this is the reason they decided to to build a bridge. Like, oh, we need. So you we put a warehouse here and then we put something on top of the front. There goes the crawls. And then we put the wheel right in the middle of the warehouse. They put some some windows and then off we go. Well, it's because it's a big ancient not Atlantean, but Atlantis adjacent submarine. That's why they well, then I hope they have redesigned since because it's a very stupid design. We got another exposition dump here. This is the one where Dr. Shin, he gets like a little tape recorder and then talks to it. But talks to us relaying a whole bunch of fucking information. A lot. He says a lot in this this big exposition dump. To summarize, he relays that Mantis is using ancient technology to infiltrate a bunch of locations under the sea to retrieve a power source called Oriculcum. I think I'm pronouncing that right. Yeah, they call it Oriculcum. I've always thought it was Oriculcum. I don't know. It's it's actually was based on the the actual Oriculcum, which is just it's not actually a huge deal. It's like it is it's either a gold copper alloy, a copper tin or copper zinc brass or or or just kind of like a mixture of metals that we don't know exactly what it was. But it was just like an older metal that was kind of to the myth of Atlantis, right? I guess it is in this world, which no, I mean, in our world. I didn't know I thought it was I had no idea. So but and he continues. And he notes that Mantis now knows information. He couldn't possibly even like he couldn't know it. It's just he knows about these locations. He knows about this. I going forward, I call it like flame fuel. The Oriculcum because it's kind of a mouthful. But he knows where the flame fuel is. Yeah, it's like they're like fuel like radioactive fuel rods is how they treat them. Like if they melt down or get destroyed, they're like they're horrific for the environment and people and stuff like they're dangerous and unstable. Do you want to know as well? It's so and I was like I was like half paying attention both times. I got the full movie, I swear in my head. But the when when science man says this is all paraphrasing, but it's something like, wow, it's just so he's like having a monologue. So he's reading. He's doing a little tape recording thing like day three hundred and whatever. He's like, it's amazing. These machines we've discovered from ages ago are still working incredibly well. And we need to steal all of the the juice from Atlantis. But it's super secure. We have all this information because our leader speaks to like some spooky spear is crazy. Like he just sums up the whole thing. It's like this is so shit. It's terrible. It's incredibly clunky. And I mean, it feels like surely when he's like, man, he grabbed like this, this big like Trident thing and ever since then in the DC world, he's had access to information he couldn't know. It's like, wouldn't it be fairly intuitive, especially you've been with him for like several months to conclude that he's probably communing with some magical entity in this world? It's certainly that he's compromised and you have no idea what's happening. But he has like five moments in the film where he's like, are we the baddies? Pretty much they just get funnier as they go along. It has. But yeah, considering that the time skip, it does. It raises a lot of questions about this guy's involvement in this plan. And which, which, by the way, over the course of this fine months, he would have seen him deliberately polluting, like deliberately polluting. That's the plan. That's the plan that they have. That's the plan months. The plan is to pollute the world and kill humanity, essentially. Pretty much to melt enough sea ice to free a spooky skeleton man from. Yeah, I wonder what lies he could have possibly told the scientists dude to be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not trying to destroy this. No, no, we're not polluting their. No, we're, we're the story doing the thing. But it's not because they have like a big evil volcano and everything. I'm like, oh, yeah. which this volcano, by the way, there's no way they haven't noticed something's going on here. It's the most awful evil volcano ever. It's like a little step down from Mount Doom. Especially with the Justice League and Batman being a thing in this universe. It's like, oh, there's some weird climate change going on. That's pretty unnatural. Oh, what's this volcano over there with green smoke coming out of it? I should probably check that out. About as noticeable as Minas Morgul when it fires its laser. It's like, how is this getting missed? And it's like, oh, you see they have protective radar things. Like what? Okay, I mean, you can see it with your eyeballs. Where we're at, by the way, them infiltrating Atlantis, the octopus, the drum playing octopus. You remember him from the first movie? Oh, I sure don't. But that sounds great. Drum playing octopus. He was one of the funniest parts in that first movie, just that visual of a drum playing octopus. That was kind of amusing. He's sitting there. He's just sitting there and he notices the submarine and then he goes off. And this alerts Atlantis, creates a big action scene, gets him on Mantis Trail. So the octopus wasn't just chilling out in this area. The whole film doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen if he's here, if he's not there. It's not funny. This is like, oh yeah, an octopus was just sitting there. He saw this and then he went and got help. The whole movie happens because of this. Otherwise they would have just gotten in and out without anybody noticing. But I mean, they go in and as we were mentioning, they're retrieving fleam fuel. It's like this glowing green stuff in these rods and they're grabbing it with these big, they're piloting like kind of like octopus. Like squid, mini squids, submarines. Yeah. They've got like four or five legs and they command them around and they swim. They make it go. They could be like arms. They're very multi-purpose appendages. Pretty much. And they're using those. But as they're getting it, the alarm goes off and matters like, oh shit. I guess we got to get going. And so the submarine charges towards Atlantis. And you remember in the first movie how they have those big cannons up on the walls, which is really a lot of them. It's the ocean. You could just like come from the top down. You don't have to go past the walls. You could just go way, way, way, way higher and then come down. But they had to. And remember in the first movie, which no one does, but remember in the first movie, all of the incredible armaments and cannons and weapons that Atlantis used to stop them from escaping, right? It was hilarious. It was nonsense. It was one of the most like CGI nonsense. What are the stakes? This is madness kinds of things I've seen in a superhero movie. It was it was nuts. Yes, it was. Yeah. Considerably less force on this big submarine. But it doesn't work because it got shielding and it stops the it stops the lasers from these cannons penetrating. And then they fire this cannon that they mentioned before, the big gun. It's this big sonic cannon. It blasts the command post. It deafens the Atlantean soldiers. And then the gun just drifts down and starts blowing up all of the lined up at the front gate of the land. It just blows them all up. So that's a whole bunch of innocent people like. So yeah, a lot of a lot of soldiers just doing their duty to protect Atlantis and protect the world. A lot of innocent people like after the end of this nonsense sequence, many, many people, probably thousands of people are dead. Yeah, there is this film still has a lot of wanton like destruction, which is very in keeping with the first film, but it doesn't quite match it because it doesn't have the big finale of this massive war between all of the sentient beings of the underwater world. And then Aquaman just like mercilessly slaughtering all of the people that he's going to eventually be leading who I guess maybe they did hold a grudge over that. There's slightly less wanton destruction in this film, but it's still insane. There's still so much collateral damage. It's wild. I remember correctly, this submarine only has this gun. That's the only weapon they have. Anything else. They never use any other weapons, but this big sonic cannon seems to basically be instant loss for Atlantis whenever it hits them. It's like an instant game over, knocks them out completely. Shouldn't be, but you know, because it's like a whole city versus one submarine, but you know, that's fine. It's not fine, but you know what I mean. Because, I mean, you would think that if you have like a million ships that are flying in to try and attack a submarine, that if it can only fire the cannon in one specific direction, you should be fine. I mean, a little like there are planes in World War Two, like flying around that had more weapons on them than this massive submarine that had like two guns instead of just the one. Maybe they could enlist the help of Animal Sea Life to attack the ship. That would never work. That would not work. You pretend like you can just get like 7,000 whales and sonar them out of existence or something. Aquaman's not even here yet. It's Mara and Nicole Kidman at Lana. I think it's Alana or something, but watching her Nicole Kidman, I haven't seen her in a while, possibly literally like the last time I saw her was in Aquaman One, but seeing her riding whatever the hell she's riding and being like, we got to do the things. We got to get in there. I was like, what are you, what are you doing? Yeah, no, she's, they're riding, they're riding like mechanical shark motorbikes underwater. That's what they're riding. She's like, we're going to take out the bad guys and get her action sequences. Something that was really notable in this scene is when she yelled out like, oh no, they're like cutting through the market. I was like, man, your voice sounds old. You can't yell. Like when you yell, it really sounds like old lady voice. I mean, she looks really good for a woman in her 50s. Yes, the old lady voice was very like funny. This is wacky to me because when superheroes were on the big rise, I think a lot of actors were like, I can't get anywhere near that. That's some goofy shit. But now we're in like the reverse time where those people will just jump into it immediately because they're agents telling them it's a short thing, loads of money, get in, get out. So it's just like so much, so much talent that you see get thrown into these films and they just do goofy nonsense that leave and just like, okay. Well, yeah, because I don't, I don't use her really at all. And like, she's in it a little bit, but they don't really give her much material to actually like leverage her capacities as an actress. But no, they just got her riding around and then doing an action scene. It was mentioned before a few times, I think by Metal and Art Rags, but this film is like laden with CGI. It's like, I wouldn't be surprised if every single shot had some CGI in it. It looks like 200 something million. It looks like it. It looks just nothing's real. Everything's fake. It's very difficult to, it's everything combining together. It's the wanton destruction, the lack of care for the destruction. No one treats it seriously. No characters except one is really all that serious. It's just like a nonsense movie. I think it's kind of funny that like zero to 20 million budget. It's a gamble. You could get anything 20 to like, let's say this is 70. It's like, oh, this might be really good looking. 70 plus is like, well, now we're back to bad looking again. And then, wow, until you get to like 400 million plus and then you get avatar to like visual effects that are absolutely the best of recent years. I mean, incredible visually, but you know, but that's script. It is funny though, the idea that more money means it starts to look worse, because they just liberally have visual effect shots all the time and they're not careful with their shots. They just figure it's like, well, we got all the money to mess with. So we shoot the whole film on a green screen. I mean, they had some practical sets clearly, but I mean, there's so much CGI and it's not convincing at all. Like in this fight where it's like, yeah, look at Nicole Kidman having a big old fight with the guys trying to steal the flim fuel and then she basically stops them. It's hit by the cannon and it knocks her out of the fight, I guess, but like it's kind of weirdly framed like she gets hit with it. She falls off, but then she like grabs onto her motorbike anyway, but we never see her again for the rest of the action scene. She's just out. He's done out of sight. Out of mind. She got paid. Yeah, I guess she just decided that she didn't feel like doing it. It's weird. Yeah, you wonder like they shoot a whole bunch of stuff for her and it just never made it in or the impression would probably cut down. I wonder if you should like a lot of scenes with Mara. Well, so again, what you notice is that there's a scene where she's in it. She just she says way less than you would expect someone to say when they're in a scene. You just expect someone to talk more than once or twice in a scene and you expect to see but like whenever it's a scene that she's in, she just she might say one or two lines and then she's kind of there and does something and then everything races by really quick. I get the impression that this is another action scene that got dramatically messed around with in terms of the edit. She's she is in it. She's chasing a black man. So who like sort of enters into this underwater highway. You think about it like in finding Nemo when they're using the current like the turtles using the current as they are or everyone's kind of got their like little lanes to go through. Yeah, it's lanes in general. Like it's yeah, I know a free means there's like a yeah. Yeah, it's a makes them go super fast because they're flying. It's epic. Super cool. It is. Yeah. Mans is like I'm going to kill more civilians and just starts like firing it was in front of him. So there's a bunch of explosions. She like he gets out of the jet stream. She dodges the explosions gets out uses her the first instance again of reminding you. Wow. She is like ridiculously overpowered. She's got like water magic or something. Hope. Yeah. She like controls water. She can like make it move around and like fire it and it's it's really she single handedly like takes down his his his vehicle when it looked like the cold Kidman was having a hard time with it. And it looks like Aquaman has a harder time with it later in the film but she just instantly takes it out. Her powers are like ridiculous because she's as strong basically as Aquaman. She can't talk to fish but like this power is super OP. She uses it and immediately destroys his ship. He crashes. She starts trying to like break in and he's like oh shit puts on this helmet which I find really funny because if it took them they never show him putting on the helmet. He has no helmet. She punches the glass they do show it. Oh they do very very quickly. It's like you blink and you miss it. Oh I thought it was like a Batwoman thing where they never show her putting on the helmet. They always cut away when she takes an honor and moves her arm to apply she's putting it on because you know of all the hair and shit they'd have to do. Well it's just it's just funny because like if he was a little bit slower if he was one second slower he would have been killed by the decompression of the glass like shattering and getting removed. It's just a little fearful of a villain he is. He got it just in time and then fires laser at her and then fires laser at some other guys and that like knocks her out completely. Makes you wonder why he didn't have that fucking thing on anyway. Like he's in a battle. Yeah why not. Why wouldn't she just especially when it has that crazy laser which that laser appears to be more powerful than it was before because remember oh yeah in the first film Arthur tanked a hit from it and it burned his arm a little bit but in this case it's like it's completely scorched like her torso. Upgraded with zombie tech. Zombie tech. Oh even though they say that it's actually a downgrade because this isn't his power suit this is like a just sort of a regular suit that I guess can withstand the pressure of being that far below the ocean. Yeah fantastic suit. It's well I guess maybe it's his muscles can withstand a bit. Yeah. Dr. Shins like come on we got we got to get the fuck out of here but Manson really wants to kill Hacker Man and his entire family so he's like no I'm I'm gonna kill me a dead mermaid which it's kind of a weird sentence I mean how can you kill a dead thing. That is good at killing. Arthur's gonna be jealous how good he is at killing. A little bit yeah because he gets out and he's like yeah I'm a killer and he's about to throw his trident but then Aquaman miraculously sure if he was one second later that would have been it she would have been dead classic but he showed up just in time to stop stop him and then Black Man's is like oh Aquaman you you stole your brother's throat and you stole his woman's shape on you. Such a wacky fucking what he's really good dialogue. He's such a cloud. He's more of a cloud than he was first time around. That pissed off good old Aquaman and then he's like I'm gonna get you but Manson just hits him really hard and sends him flying so he is he is super strong. He is super duper strong which we later find out is because of the trident and that that big deal is making with the flimpy skeleton man and then he fires a laser like an underwater train to derail it so he's like see Aquaman you gotta go save those people. Aquaman he does really want to kill all of them. Oh man if only he had fish he could ask to do that for him while he pursues the other ones. Well I mean the countless other fucking people should be available right now. Yeah. It seems like what we're meant to conclude is that sure all of the Atlanteans can like breathe underwater and swim around and stuff but they're not as strong as like Aquaman or his family that they're like super duper strong. So I guess that means that he's like the only person who can just grab it and try to slow it down like a Mr. Incredible Stone manoeuvre. Still a lot of massive destruction. I gotta imagine all the people inside of that train. What about Dolph Lundgren? I think he's super strong as well. I think as long as they're like royalty that they're super duper strong but if you're just a normal guy then tough shit. Did Nicole Kidman get knocked out or? Maybe we have like her. She got hit by the cannon. She grabbed onto her motorcycle and we never see her for the rest of the action scene. She's just out. But she could do it presumably because she appears to be about as strong as there'd be no reason to believe that Aquaman would be any stronger. If anything you think Aquaman would be less strong because he's not totally Atlantean. He's half human. He's half. All of his power comes from being Atlantean. It seems like the talking to fish is just some unique attribute that he got maybe because he's part human somehow. That makes sense. Well we can talk to fish so they just don't do it all the time. They can't understand us. But we do talk to fish. Aquaman. We talk to fish really. We do. Well yell at them. A little bit. Hey. Hey. Swimming. Aquaman does stop the train but again lots of destruction because it's good for the trailer that he swims after. He goes after Manta and he's like I'm gonna get you you fuck. And then they fire the cannon knocks him out. They fire the cannon and a bunch of other like guys are pursuing them knocks him out with explosions and shit too because we need more explosions. Explosions are cool. Don't think about people. And then that knocks it out cuts a black and then sometime later the council is having a big old conversation because we're having some more exposition about the state of affairs. So it's just like the lady on the council hates them basically saying that they want to strip Arthur of his power because he sucks and he's a loser and he's a cock. And then everybody talks to the council lady and they have a big discuss no no way it's only her. That's what she says. No that's right. She she's just a pleasant and we never this is this is about the last time that the council is relevant in the film. We're just about to get past the point that we don't care about them anymore. Yeah they don't they don't end up getting like a comeuppance or anything but I guess it's less than the bare minimum because normally you have like the council thing I was like no no no no and then you have won the evil guys like ah fuck the king. Yeah he turns out to be the bad guy who wants to subvert the political system and get power for himself. Yeah and here they just have the council lady's like oh the other one was right and now we gotta get rid of you. But you see like that's the basic obvious thing to do. Yeah. So they they they didn't do that. So yeah they're cool. Why are they even in the movie? Bringing white. I think that they're in there to create a small amount of tension and drama during the opening portion of the film and to continue that through line of I see the land in the sea they they don't get along but eventually they will. I think that's why they're there and once we're back into like well now we're doing the superhero shit they're just like all right fucking get rid of them like they're not they're not useful to us anymore. That made me think we should title this eFap the sea is always wrong. Oh my god. Damn. That's a well it's got Boba Fed and oh wait hold on I'm mixing up I'm crossing my group surrounded by water is that what you were thinking? Group surrounded by wrong. Group surrounded by wrong. That's kind of amusing. Yeah because I was because I was thinking that the council if they only show up to create a little bit of tension at the beginning but there's no there's not going to be any resolution for it they essentially disappear. It's just a waste to have them existing they don't serve a function. I think it's nice to time. I feel it's particularly poignant because in the next scene this is the last time they become relevant but they're only relevant as like a thing that gets brought up that doesn't matter and then we never talk about them again and that's it they're done we don't care about them anymore. It's just funny to me that they would even have an element that just goes absolutely nowhere like shows how sloppy the script is and probably how much the film got reshot. But you talk about that and how you know sloppy the script is the reshoots and everything but fully 100% mega CGI all of them moving around talking they look different they're in their chairs Aquaman's there in the CGI room like all this stuff is just raking up that bill for the CGI cost and it's all for nothing it serves nothing it's completely superfluous. It's all costs it is everything. Yeah you're just generating a bill. It makes you think if there is there some kind of a conspiracy. Conspiracy is that all the CGI guys they want to get all that work is like yeah we're gonna get all this job we'll never we'll never out of money run out of money we'll make them think that they need us to make movies and so they have a guy on the inside or maybe they pay off one of the script writers to try and insert as much superfluous nonsense CGI garbage into the movie as possible. And then a giant squid attacked the building where'd he come from? No he's got a seahorse now he's got a seahorse pet and it drives around he's like oh okay all right what is the purpose of this serve no it's gonna be really cool and then he also gets a squid later and it's like a speck-op squid and he's a sneaky boy like solid snake. He needs a hundred lines of dialogue. Yeah yeah yeah he's great but we can't use a real squid you gotta give it to us the CGI guys wherever you like us right we we make your movies happen so yeah we're gonna do that too and you might have to pay us double for over time you know it's all the squids and seahorses and the council and the sea people. It's all a ploy by big CGI. All of us literally make sense. They are a meeting happens between Arthur and Nicole Kidman and Drago that's what I'm gonna call him as well so that's Drago he's like he's a king of another kingdom they're having a meeting and there's we get so much exposition again but hey we need it for the incredibly intricate and deep plot of Aquaman the Lost Kingdom. I love one of the things that they do in this scene where you know it's like Nicole Kidman's explaining uh this is what he stole he stole the flame fuel and then Aquaman's like oh am I supposed to know what that is it's like ha ha thanks man you've invited her to explain more of it to you and us that's really good uh that's really good subtle writing well if you have yeah Aquaman just says what's that and then they tell him it's really good if you're an idiot character then you get away with a lot of exposition because he's just like what I don't understand Aquaman's our fish out of water character ironically ironically yeah they explain that um Manta has robbed a bunch of volts over the prime months but I guess they didn't notice until now nobody decided to check they had no like inventory they checked to just see oh shit there's a whole bunch of missing flame fuel they only started looking into it now they only started looking into it now when the way that uh Nicole Kidman explains it she says basically that this is an ancient fuel source that was really powerful but also incredibly dangerous such that we almost destroyed the world using it so we stopped uh and put it in volts but they just didn't have anybody actually like checking to make sure that nothing had been taken well I thought that was confused when I first watched the movie because when they stole the fuel in that scene I thought it was a completely separate place from Atlantis because it was so insane right and then they come out and they're in Atlantis I'm like oh that's where they are I thought this was spinning away I remember in the first film you've got the new like flashy big glowing city of Atlantis that was built on like the old ruins of Atlantis and you see those in the first film as well like that when they go further down it's all overgrown and like these sort of ancient ruins that are covered in um like seaweed and and barnacles and stuff like that so that's where they went I think it's meant to be like some vault from the old city with not much because in terms of security on there no which I just I love how movies can't like write I mean of course there are the good movies that write them competently but like you know you watch YouTube videos that talk about like oh here's here's like the security systems that they have in place at like the federal yeah here's Fort Knox here's why it's impossible to rob from Fort Knox it can't be done and then they steal everything security pretty much of like how there is there's like a failsafe for a failsafe for a failsafe for a failsafe for a failsafe it's yeah like in all of this and meanwhile here it's just like yeah it's just the security is so good we're gonna make a documentary about the security and it doesn't matter you're never getting in exactly we know that you can't do it um but yeah that yeah this isn't like a movie heist this is actual security that you can never get through they've uh they've only noticed this now basically which I find really funny only more squid people everywhere to notice they also are I mean yeah that's right because without an octopus they wouldn't have noticed to be if the drum playing octopus yeah well now they just wouldn't have known we should have safety octopuses everywhere yeah just have one octopus just sitting there just like oh no they're doing evil things let me go get help um the thing that they basically explain here is that um manta is the main cause of global warming um and and also the underwater plague that's happening as well um this would probably be the time to mention that um this film I believe was based in part on a pitch by um by uh jason memoa himself um and I'm guessing that this was his idea of like having the global warming thing be like a plot in the superhero film the problem is like yeah when you try to conflate when you try when you try to like conflate something that we're talking about in the real world like a real world event caused by specific like the nature of like the way that the world exists now and then you try to inject it in your superhero movie with your crazy sci-fi and magic shit you end up with like this really fucking bizarre story that just yeah of like yeah black mantis causing global warming and we gotta stop him it's fucking silly it's just silly like yeah it is why he thought this was a but the thing is is that before the film was coming out he was saying things like you know like it's not like everything of mine made it in there and stuff it's like ah all right yeah put some distance between yourself yeah clever um it's at this point that uh Arthur suggests that we should get on to help us uh and then uh Nicole Kidman points out that this is untenable because he's being held uh i believe they're the fishermen it's like one of the kingdoms um he's being held prisoner there um because he killed their king in the first movie um so they can't get him he's a prisoner of an allied nation they can't just get him and then Arthur's like well i mean i i wasn't gonna ask him i'm i'm gonna go get him uh and then Nicole Kidman points out well you can't that's an act of war yeah um his response to this is basically like i'm tired of not getting anything done you know i want to what are the things that i'm good at that is his reason for doing this and um Nicole Kidman has no answer and it's over he's won the argument um all of the argument oh no you can't say that i caught man won the argument all of the i just find it's so funny like they make all the valid points that you can't just like go into an allied nation break in kill their guards and extract a prisoner who committed regicide that's not you can't do that arm has committed some pretty serious crimes they killed Reginald and also this this is the sort of thing that he does and then he has to like at the bottom of his arc this is the kind of thing an impulsive king does without thinking of the consequences and then the film got some down for it and there's terrible repercussions a war breaks out there's there's political strife and violence because of it and that's how he's like oh shit like the my actions have consequences because i'm the king and i can't just do whatever i want actually and then odin shows up and he's like you are a spoiled rude boy and a child and i'm taking away your powers go to this boring town on earth and aquaman's like oh well i want to go to the boring town on earth but i will the thing is is that he just likes killing he wants to go in and kill some things and it's not even a means to an end either aquaman just loves violence he doesn't love being a hero he doesn't love like the thrill of being loved or the fame or anything like he's not like hercules in the hit animated disney film he just seems to really love violence for its own sake action which this is the point where again it's worth reminding ourselves that dc needs to they really should like look at the way that the characters have actually been characterized in the comics and just take that over because at that at this point it's more interesting if you do it the way that they were originally presented and the shit you're doing now i would be way more interested it was kind of what i was thinking particularly at this point is like dude i would way rather see the aquaman movie where like aquaman actually takes his responsibility seriously and has to try and figure out how to navigate through the politics of the underwater world while also dealing with the politics of the you know the surface and and doing it in a very like stoic and um and deliberate way that would be way more interesting than just this psychopath who's just like i just want to kill things you know i don't like doing politics i suck at it so i just want to kill he seems like a um like you can combine those two you can have a stoic wise sort of man who's just legitimately super bored with politics and is eager to take action but he knows and kind of limits the fact that he can't um you can have a character it sounds like the character from a comic book would be really good to pair alongside somebody else to bounce with uh to bounce off someone um and we have some who's maybe a bit more emotional and just a little bit different than him that he can talk to and explain things to and you know really give us perspective you look at the the the justice league as the way that they're more commonly characterized and it all starts to make sense superman is the leader the idealist the guy who wants to save everybody do everything the right way um then you've got like batman who's kind of like the the the the guy who's like responsible for bankrolling it he's kind of like a guy who yeah the more of the pragmatic um pragmatic member of the team then you got like wonder woman who's very optimistic and all about like compassion and and you know kindness and everything like that you have someone like Aquaman who's more uh stoic and beautiful but has a lot of obligations to Atlantis that are like really important to him that can potentially come into conflict with the goals of the justice league because of their obligations on the surface green lance and there's like your connection to the cosmic side might not even be king don't know how to be king have him be have him be like maybe the the second son so he doesn't get the throne but he feels like he has to impress or make his father really proud because he knows he's not going to be king because he's not the oldest son he is sort of put in a position where he has to take other ways to Aquaman's dad is Boba Fett who is not involved in Atlantis like he's he's just the regular guy it's Orm whose whose dad was like an underwater king guy so I think I think the dynamic is fine it's just that I just wish that he was like more serious I think I want to see that more than uh Jesse Momoa just acting like a sort of like clown guy you can have a guy who likes to who is jovial by nature and he does like to tell jokes but and he does like to he maybe he's kind of optimistic and he's always trying to be upbeat and everything and he's a bit of a goofster sure but he knows when to be serious those characters exist I mean he's kind of when you do it like that you can even have scenes where they where they have their counsel and the one one person becomes like ah he's just a goofster he's going to be easy to deal with and he's absolutely annihilated by him being serious because he does his duty and uh in Milan right uh when they sing about uh a girl we're fighting for and it's fun and we're having fun things are great where you know we're reminiscing and wishing about people that we could meet and everyone's smiling and then they you know they cross over the hill and they see the battlefield remains and they're like oh shit and the tone completely shifts and everyone's very serious about it and no one goes that's just happens you know we get an actual proper shift and tone well what do I know nothing nothing um like I like I said they are convinced by Arthur's arguments and decide to help him break out uh form from an allied kingdom what are Arthur's arguments remember his argument was I want to kill help me not getting that's that's his argument oh yeah that's true he's like yeah and just help me do it without getting caught help me help me get away with my crimes um and they decide okay and they give him a stealth suit that uh makes him invisible but only for a short period I believe it's like a minute or something which seems like why wouldn't it just be able to run for longer than that but okay and they give him the octopus the drum octopus topo that's his name I'm just gonna keep calling the drum up to octopus because it was a fine name I like topo I like the name but I like drum octopus that's feels like it's just yeah it's like that's who he is he plays the drums knees and octopuses what if someone called you podcast bird yeah how would you feel about that you know what yeah I think you might have convinced me so yeah um something that they say by the way is uh they're talking about the fisherman and they're like although he's special agent octopus anyway so you have to call him special agent because we got these secret agent the secret agent they show uh they show us the prison he's being held in it's like this big underground labyrinth in the in the sahara because um and and he's been guarded by these monsters is it the place from the first movie I think it's it I it looks any that it's like it does but I don't remember vivid imagery or imagery from the the first uh movie not vivid imagery but and I'm thinking like isn't this because this isn't where Wonder Woman jumps down in the Snyder Cut this is where Aquaman goes underground under the desert and does the thing there whatever he does it's some nonsense it doesn't matter I think it's meant to be similar because they they they explain because remember in the first one they're like oh it's before before the Sahara was a desert um which again to remind you in the real world I'm pretty sure that the last time that the Sahara was like underwater hundreds of thousands of years or millions well I think the Sahara goes for a cycle of becoming green and then becoming a desert but but not sinking under the ocean but but whatever I don't know like maybe maybe we're talking like Pangaea stuff that's what I'm talking like way before way before a long time ago but but in any case something that they say about the monsters because Orm's there and he's looking pretty haggard and there are these monsters guarding him and uh Drago says they drink blood instead of water since the Sahara became dry I find this funny huh are are they the bad guys they're not really but you're making them sound like they are just the bad guys they're trying really hard to essentially justify killing them even though fundamentally they can't get past the point that these are the terms by which they agreed that Orm would be like imprisoned they agreed to this yeah that's what I was like oh you you're cool with them just torturing them torturing him by giving him like I don't know like a spit of water so he doesn't die I guess they are okay being tortured yeah but then alternatively it's like I don't know if you made a deal with like some kingdom to have somebody be imprisoned for their crime and they got guarded by a bunch of like I don't know tigers I don't know that that just I don't know that you can just kill all the tigers you know like that person because like well I mean they're not people it's like oh but you agreed you agree I know I always feel about this movie feels about the crab people and all that it's very like oh you're not a human so fuck you yeah you don't you don't appreciate quite frankly it's uh by the way they play the Orm theme like about twice in in the span of 20 seconds here of him sitting there haggard they're just like they play it but look at Orm he has a it's really funny it's so funny just that they play the every time he shows up on the screen it's like yeah look out at Orm or it does feel like something some some meeting happened after all the drama and they were like Orm or rather Patrick Wilson you're uh you're gonna be our guy for this movie yeah could you like I thought you met Patrick Williams there every second I was like what the fuck what is he that he's like really good buddies with James one right he's in like all of his films yeah the countless collaborations so makes sense he's been in Sidious right and uh the Conjuring yes though I have a I've seen in Sidious and I have seen the Conjuring I might have he's in the Conjuring for sure yeah him and uh the lady in Godzilla mm-hmm fear of Amiga right yeah um so I I Aquaman he'd be busing and he kills a bunch of the monsters which again it's just it's just my it's meant to be a stealth mission but like he just like comes in and gleefully like kills all these monsters and then Orm points out like what the fuck are you doing you can't do this this is like a diplomatic disaster and Arthur just he doesn't care is it interesting instant characterization for Orm yes that he says what are you doing this will be bad for Atlantis which I want him to be king actually I don't know he seems to be more qualified it feels like the everyone in the audience and the film agrees Orm should be king yeah I mean kill my world and I still want him to be king they they they play the Orm music a third time by the way is like Orm you're not my brother don't call me that this change is nothing and they're just like that's the thing about the immediately when he says like oh he's gonna call him a brother at the end that's definitely gonna happen that's that's the thing about this film sort of it like passes the test of is it even a story it's like yeah it's got those things like look at the camera be like I would never do the other thing and then halfway through the film he's like I am feeling that other thing and then the other film he's like I like the thing like look at them yeah look at that right um they start there they mount their escape very loudly and in the open when the whole point was that they needed to be stealthy um I guess it's still a stealth mission if you kill everybody so nobody knows that you were there I guess it's uh in a sense because there's no witnesses there's no way they killed everyone who saw him the king there's no way there's no way that but but they I mean they they give it their best shot uh because they kill a lot of those guys they just killed so many of them they just start blasting their way through they knock some guys off of like they're uh they're they're like they're writing these weird they've got like they're like skeleton monsters with this flimping out as a six leg metal pointers they belong in bloodboard those things they belong in bloodborne yeah yeah it's like a crazy they really want these guys to look as evil and uh killable as possible the guys doing their job essentially upholding a deal to keep this prisoner and they're just getting they're all just getting killed as I think I missed it earlier what was the explanation for these guys why are they here they're like who are these people there there's some people who stayed in the Sahara after it became dry and so they started drinking blood and were monsters and they are guarding them as part of the fisherman kingdom which uh is the guy that who's king that uh Aum killed in the first movie okay I guess no one found them as well they're very sneaky underground I guess I just don't understand like the Sahara is really empty what like the idea like yeah they traded they traded out water for blood it's like what blood it's the fucking Sahara there's not many there might be more water than blood I don't know like I don't know if that actually is an improvement on this situation like things with blood typically need water right but I don't know so it's probably less blood than water it's like this weird thing and superhero stuff where they just have all these hidden civilizations on earth it's like you can't just stack them up all the time it's really awkward yeah like I can give you one but once we get to like the 17th hidden society yeah I don't know it's a bit silly um they uh they ride these monsters uh up to the surface they like dig their way out and get up onto the surface and continue I even see like what point there isn't actually trying to like break down the fight it's just like oh yeah big action set piece where they're fighting their way on the surface punching the bad guys and they very stupidly aren't panicking at the notion of Aum getting close to water when they should well yeah because what what is revealed is um like Aum collapses he's looking he's looking really haggard and thin he collapses by the shore the monsters surround him but then a wave washes over him and he bursts out with a six pack um like yeah what I'm getting at is like they should be like never let him get anywhere they knew that they they show earlier when they you know that they don't feed him much water or whatever because they know it'll power him up to the point where they can't possibly defeat him but they it's weird that they're all just like hmm is he is he alive or is he dead in this water say like I said there should be a guy who's like get him out get him out get him out get him out get him out and don't let the water get on him why are why is our prison so close to the ocean that's another thing that's a bit curious the Sahara is large what's the second largest desert in the world I think uh if you exclude the it's the largest I was like Antarctica is the largest right Antarctica actually is Antarctica the Sahara is like enormous Sahara is really enormous all right I think you might be right that it's the largest hot desert and the third largest behind the Arctic and Antarctic uh let me let me consult yeah it is the third largest desert smaller than Antarctica in the northern Arctic yeah okay yeah it's a lot it's it's enormous it is it is huge 9.2 million square kilometers it's um I think it's like as big as the United States it's enormous yeah it's like the top third of Africa pretty much um you can just put it in the middle of the uh put in the middle of Sahara isn't it kind of like a missed opportunity I know that they're going for the payoff of like how cool is that he burst out of the water but you know when he's like did you bring any water and fucking Arthur's like I drank it bro it's too hot and it's like when it had been a thing for him to provide him the power to you know I mean like there's a bit of symbolic stuff going on there of him to provide yeah here you go brother yeah like like you know he starts feeding him and then he's like you really like you know what this means and Arthur's like yeah I know like that sort of stuff and it's a bit of like no we did we gave that up in order to do the whole leg oh is all dead is he made it is he is he power yeah six pack oh boo boo yeah he's really getting geared to him we see him get powered up and also just kind of is another knock against fucking Aquaman's character I don't like him he's not a good guy it's sort of like he's very in keeping with uh the DCEU's heroes of big psychos um well and the almost like one of the best heroes in the DCEU and he's the villain from the first one I mean especially in this film he is uh definitely rising the ranks yeah of uh I mean obviously this escape attempt is a bit of a that's a bit of a like but but the thing is is that he later says I'm gonna turn myself back in after I'm done helping you which uh is really cool because he respects the the customs and the customs yeah that's what it was looking for thanks well I will say like this is where the film kind of changes for me a little bit from being just uh to like the the back of forth between the old god someone else yeah someone else is here well and it's what I tried to push back on the idea that like Aquaman I think um somebody on one of the streams I was on said like Aquaman was the worst film of the year or something just like it's not no no it has actual story beats here and there so it's already I think I I can accept it being contender like I get it but at the same time I just I just think it's the obvious not winner of the worst movie you know um you know there's some bits and bobs in here that are appreciable and we've really kind of gotten to the part where I can start talking about that here in there yeah we're at the part where we're at the part where the film is the least butchered yeah um in terms of the editing or story which is Arthur and Orm going on their adventure together I don't want to know it though I guess Atlantean like physiology means that water equals six pack I don't know like you in the water it's like ah yeah there you go look at Arthur but it was strong you are but yeah they they it's like oh high five and he tells him to fuck off Orm and it's just like oh yeah okay let's run into the water hopefully none of the guys are the chasing after us notice who I am and hopefully none of them I like the fact that like their plan is to go to a place where people are that are going to see them together and then Arthur's like yeah you know they'll never know that I did this I had a I had a stealth suit and then of course there's just the logical deductions of your okay so what happened oh uh we had all of our guards there there wasn't like a big force there wasn't a big force that came in to break out Orm um it was it was clearly just one person it's like oh who has the means and the motive to do that Arthur obviously because he's spoken superhero and it's his brother so I don't even like even if you decide oh well we did stealth and we kill everybody who saw what we did they're still going to figure out it was you how could they yeah like where was the king during this time of Atlantis oh he was mysteriously not present and he showed up with the prisoner in this other place very shortly after and the prisoner wasn't trying to get away from him even without us having seen them together it just makes sense that he would be the one to do it he has the means and the motive but it's okay it's all good it's fine I though I again the the conversation they have afterward they're getting their little boat their underwater boat and they're driving to the place that they need to go and they're just having a chat and they're arguing with each other um that and and talking like oh man how could you have done this Arthur you fucking idiot like nobody's breached the walls of Atlantis and like a hundred years which I find funny casserole that you know happened 20 minutes ago well in the first film what he's saying that's the point is that this is the first time you start oh yeah um but again I mean you know Arthur and Merah got out in the first movie they did get past the walls I mean their ship got destroyed maybe that doesn't count because there's a misunderstanding getting out doesn't count trying to get in is even though that's what counts yeah if you just come from above and come directly down you'll get in easy you don't need to yeah wall the worthless in the ocean and she can just move above them yeah probably need a dome for that kind of scenario you actually want to do because you just reminded me of like she was in the first one much more than she was in this one do you think there was a the way they called for the reshoots she was like yeah yeah I'm on the way and then he's like oh no there's uh we just need mainly Patrick is what I the impression I get is that the idea was always gonna be that Arthur and Orm were gonna go on an adventure but that she would have been involved more in other things that were going yeah you can you can tell there's some side jobs there's more flesh on her scenes that have been all chopped out I mean she's even said that now right publicly the she said that in the eye in the defamation trial that yeah that a roll got pared down and then they said well no we wanted we this was something we decided beforehand and the thing is I could accept I think I think it's like the truth is in the middle of they probably did decide beforehand that it wasn't going to be as big as the first time around but I think they're bullshit like everybody fucking understands what happened you cut the scenes down yeah well um it's they did the arguably best possible thing which is try and cut as much as possible without making it look like you've cut as much as possible um I don't even know if I because something that was interesting in the marketing is that they tried really hard to like pretend that she wasn't in the movie at all they they have like that one shot of her in the trailer and otherwise they didn't have her in any of the marketing at all yeah I mean just plausible to die ability it's like sacraments movie it's about all but it's you know she's not as relevant to it we also did a Boba Fett the trailer that much uh he he's in a way more than she is um everybody's in it more than she is and she's got third billing which uh they didn't have the sea king in there that much uh they didn't have much of drago I don't think he was in the trailer so there's that um yeah there's definitely I guess it's more so a matter of like does this appeal to anybody where you do the middle road of she's still in it but cut down does that is that sufficient to make people who'd be like why don't want to see her in it at all um watch it and does that piss off the people who want to see her in it I don't know what uh let's say they kept everything they had of her and just ran with it versus they cut her out entirely versus what we have right now who knows what generates the best box office numbers I genuinely have no idea well I mean the the factors they were doomed when they uh decided to go ahead the thing is is that they started shooting the film before the trial and it feels like the trial was the big thing that kind of uh kind of uh kind of ended things for her on the on the career side the they they just left like a crack in the door for plausible deniability as in like you can't like we she's in there and you're like yeah but it's like yeah she's in there she's in there well I I think I think it was even the thing that they just kept saying is Arthur and Orm Arthur and Orm that's it's a buddy it's a buddy adventure that's that's what we're doing and I mean it is like the part of the movie where all of the actual like story is happening so it's true yeah basically anything about well just the only thing that kept people talking about this movie anyway like it's so dead I do wonder if what if it was beneficial to leave her as much in there as possible just so people be angrier about the film because I uh maybe that would have helped I'm not sure because it's gonna it's it's faded already right pretty much I mean it's it's uh it looks like it's gonna make less than half of what the first film made yeah so it's already over hits joe before it began I mean for the record it it might just make more money than expected considering everything else around it um it looks like it's it's uh well again it's it's making more money than the marvels even though it had a worse opening which means that it's got a little bit longer legs but again 300 million like two and a half weeks um is not it's not probably not gonna be making that much more unless something probably not usual happens well you gotta remember the first film made more money in china than it made in the united states um china was a big part of it and I don't think that's the case this time around it's just doesn't like western films haven't been doing as well in china anymore uh because china's got like a more successful domestic market for films uh like more domestic films I mean you know chinese films succeeding in china so you know that that was like a big part of why the first one was successful it did well in america though it just you know but this film obviously superhero fatigue is uh whatever it's called appears to well and truly set in oh I something that's notable and I don't want to point out problems with like the writing form because I don't I he's my favorite part of the film and I don't know it's a problem necessarily but something he says to Arthur is like you know should probably just like give up the throne for someone who knows what they're doing and it seems like the implication is it would be him uh but then but he says he's gonna turn himself in as soon as it's over so I'm curious as to like who would he expect should take over he has a point objective on who would take over I could assume that it wouldn't be him I feel like there might be multiple cut conversations between these two unfortunately which is a shame it is a shame it's a shame to lose on Arthur I don't care as much yeah I don't give a shit about him he brings nothing of value he the protagonist really drags down the Aquaman film it's arguably fair to just say the arm is a little out of character in this film because he was so shit in the first one in terms of being a one-dimensional like bad guy you could be like yeah but his time in prison has changed I was like he's kind of just he's just a better well-rounded person in this because he needs to be for the story to work better pretty much because I want to send him on a redemption arc when in the first film he was just insane yeah and very evil but I'm a motion master that's right that was a good line that's not a good idea that's a good line it's all design from home something that uh they that orm says is that mansor is more insane than he was before which I I slightly I slightly disagree he is more insane than he was before but he was always insane in the first film he was a crazy guy almost I think he's slightly more crap in this one but he's always been absolute crap it's uh I'd say he's more crap in this one because they've gone down the angle of well he's he is I don't like it when the writing for the villain is just whoa he's insane so you know he's insane he's got he's got flume stuff going on um and like the mind control and stuff like that so we can make him essentially make any insane choice that we want like his entire plan I think his arc is hilarious the ending of it anyway the ending is really funny it's representative of like what the writers of the audience have to think about him as a character he would come back in the third one if they made it probably yeah um uh so they're heading to a place called the sunken citadel uh which which orm relays oh sorry sorry I uh we we have a brief scene um the uh of them in the black man to base which um they're in this base and they're kind of having a conversation with Dr. Shin's like I'm noticing that you're like kind of destroying the earth um what's the deal like what's going on that's basically true um and Matt's it's just like ah you know whatever it's you know it's it's just don't worry about it we say mantis mantis uh mantis I think I was mixing up mantis the lancis mantis like don't worry about it you know but if you one of my favorite word fuck ups that happens and nobody highlighted and I've seen the Lord the Rings video so many times I don't know how I've never noticed it but it's behind it's one of the scarier parts of Lord the Rings like currently it could be shiloh it could be something else I think it's shiloh and someone says uh something like you know oh god I'd be pissing myself over and rags says I would I would be shitting in your ass like it would be so scary it was like wait shitting in your ass like I would be shitting in your ass but I don't think you meant it that way because I don't know but it was funny at least right you can find it good luck um I mean there's there's really not much to be pulled from the the scene other than that mantis just doesn't care that he's destroying the world um I guess he just doesn't care on the because he wants to kill Aquaman a lot which um I don't know what I meant to do with that as a villain that you're so obsessed with revenge that when you're told point blank you were destroying earth that you're like eh yeah you know it's like what do you plan on living after you're done with your eye we're just supposed to buy that he's just not a character once he's possessed I think that's that's what I'm saying I think we just have to accept that he's basically insane and and impossible to reach um now he is like completely irrational which is just lame I don't know what I'm meant to do with that with a villain yeah he's got no angle in this it doesn't seem to make any sense he just wants revenge that's it and he's he's okay with uh helping free this guy which which is funny because the idea is you need to free me and then I'll give you the power to kill Aquaman it's like you seem sufficiently strong enough that you can kill him now anyway um why would you even bother why wouldn't you just why wouldn't you just kill him you know because like it's this because we we got like sort of a gradient of him becoming more and more like possessed uh here it seems like he is still himself he's just crazy but then later in the film it is literally just like the flume skeleton man speaking through him so you figure at this point that you might just be like why would I even help you I can just kill him now I got that I'm super strong anyway so I can just take him down but I guess not I guess he is really committed so I'm gonna help you out pal I'm gonna get you out of there so you can give me the super duper powers um and then hopefully nothing goes wrong after it um and then we're back with Arthur and Orman they head into the sunken citadel through another exposition dump uh even Arthur is like wait why have I never heard about this place before but uh they they they rock up and um he he mentions this like oh it's a place where a lot of pirates like to hang out others like well pirates don't like me and Orm's like yeah I know they don't and then they uh they get put Arthur gets put in chains and um I'm looking at that I'm like but he's really strong can he not break out of those chains I guess it was later he does yeah is it supposed to be like a like a trick I guess you know but they know that he's super duper strong that he's you know yeah I don't think the whole scene you look at it in retrospect it's like what even was going on with all of that gotta be a trick I don't I don't know it was because um I don't even know because he didn't he want to like oh you give us this information and then you get a favor from the king of Atlantis yeah yeah that's uh that's basically the gist of it because they're meeting with this I by the way I actually which is an amazing deal yeah but like I uh I I think even vaguely familiar with the power levels because it just seems like nobody ever is with Aquaman but it's like but they should he's incredibly strong yeah I mean he's basically strong as Wonder Woman um even and of course he has the added benefit of he can park around underwater as well so and Command Fish but I guess yeah then like what if he just telepathically communicated with a bunch of fish to break in and destroy everything but it's all good it's uh they just don't think about that what I was going to say is I kind of like the sun consider though because it's like a very alien kind of place with a bunch of crazy yeah there's some character here Atlantis is just like it's much boring but this place kind of looks like oh okay there's some stuff going on here you know this is what I like about it is you know underwater critters are the basically aliens but we only spend like three minutes here so it's a shame we moved past all of those character designs quickly that basically meet with this big fat fish guy um and the big fat fish guy is kind of like eccentric in everything and oh yeah it's like he said metal he tries to cut a deal with him did you did you already say what his name is I actually can't remember what his name was I just King Fish oh yeah well the naming department their budget get cut I see yeah King Fish his big fat guy yeah he's sitting there and he's like yeah Orm says you know here's a deal um you get a favor from the king of Atlantis in exchange for information on Black Manta which uh you're right Rags that's a really good deal that is yeah it's like we're gonna like a favor from the king is like hmm so I basically get like a freebie crime but think of what it costs them think of the incredible cost yeah uh what is it yes a little bit of information a little bit of information that makes no difference to them um but but then of course because Arthur is a violent man he is opposed to making a deal and uh ops for violence um he just he like basically the first thing he says is the deal is you tell me that or I won't torture you um and then the king's like wow okay geez and then Arthur breaks out of his chains and then uh tortures um the fish king uh King Fish he he he basically reversed waterboards him um he puts uh he puts like a big scuba helmet on him and begins draining it of water um because Arthur is actually like a psychopath um he always opts for violence whenever that option is available and seems to take great joy in flexing his unearned power over uh over innocent people um something I noticed during that scene here he should have definitely killed him uh with that because he keeps he keeps rotating the the wheel on it or the valve but it's key it still goes down the same amount even though it should go faster and faster that's just something I noticed that he probably should have run out of water uh yeah because it it just gives it more and more but it just doesn't change it's just something I noticed it's just it's just crazy that this apparent hero is fine with like essentially waterboarding someone reverse after choosing violence after choosing violence yeah instead of diplomacy like a king you know might try to do like Aum his deal was silly but you know at least Aum was trying diplomacy you know it's also kind of funny how the king fish guy says like oh normally the king always has like a blind eye for this one and Arthur didn't even know about this at all so it's quite a blind eye it's very blind blind eyes a more blind eye in a in a more complete sense really um but that's okay they get the information they need um from the guy and then he he does release him from the torture uh and then they just like punching the fucking glass maybe cutting him in the eye yeah well yeah I mean that glass has to go somewhere and it's not going out it's going in because that's where the fist came from I hope he's okay I hope that guy's okay but uh they they escape and also the octopus was there in stealth and he just shoot some some ink and then someone's away thank goodness them gone we did it we say I'm really glad that they were able to I'm glad Aum got out okay this next seat is really funny it's uh it's just like manta talking to the ghost monster man in the mirror and then dr shit is just standing outside yeah one of the first things people talked about fnt we're just talking about this movie it's how funny it is that he keeps leaving the fucking door open there's always the doctor who's like what you're doing in there going out what is yeah you're doing some evil and he's like no it's so funny he's just leaving man talking to the monster in the mirror and then it comes over and he's just looking at it the funny thing the funny thing as well as that implies to the the monster man noticed that it's like oh i'm out of here exactly he's like oh there's no one in the door somebody used to like a sky calling yo is that your mom at the door correct me if you're wrong the monster man is like hey chill out a little bit with your plan like the monster in this in the dynamic between them in the conversation is the chill reasonable one a man does like the insane one i was like what the fuck is going on yeah you're not strong enough yet you need to calm down yeah ancient zombie demon is like maybe you need to roll back on some of the attitude bro it is really funny dynamic he's a crazy evil skeleton bro who's like come on man chill yeah just chill we're not all about this rage okay uh elsewhere atheranorm heading to a place called devils deep in the south pacific where it has been mentioned that there is a giant volcano leaking out a bunch of green gas they show that nobody's noticed they show the establishing shot it's so much green smoke yeah it's it's insane perpetual perpetual green smoke for seemingly the last five months spewing out of a massive volcano that nobody is noticed and we do get an explanation for it that doesn't account for eyeballs yeah exactly i know that this i know that the pacific i know the south pacific in particular is a pretty um not a lot of ships go through there but it's not really a matter of ships it's more just a satellite overhead just seeing a picture to snap in a picture of like oh wow there's a and also considering that the climate change has gone so bad that massive swaths of like the Antarctic ice cap are melting you think that the whole world would be like yeah united to be like what the hell's going on here what's what's happening could it be the giant volcanoes spewing green smoke you don't know what you're talking about okay they show up there and they trek through the forest and talk about cheeseburgers and pizza um oh man there's a yeah when they do this this is part where he gives him a cockroach yes and my first thought was like oh he's pranking him because he doesn't know any of the good foods from the up world and then he eats it he goes like it's pretty good and then i was like yeah right and then they move on i was like what yeah i feel like they muted their own joke because the joke the normal joke is for him to go ew and then i come on goes ha ha ha tier two joke would be he goes mmm then i come on goes wait what and you know like that you could leave it like that and then but like they've moved it all the way over to like like i like it that aqua is like yeah yeah pretty good and then he opens a coconut or something that's black gooey and then they move on it felt like we were in on the joke and then i was like wait was aqua like serious because now i can't actually tell is was he like yeah cockroaches are pretty good he's like yeah they do yeah it also feels like they're recycling the joke in the first one where mera ate like a flower yeah i'm just like ha see they don't understand the cultures and customs and the foods on the land which is funny because a human being who's never been in the ocean if they went down there and saw seaweed i don't think they would just be like this is clearly your food no it's not you'll you don't know you could be anything could be water flower version you know i mean like like the idea you see a flower and it's like this must be the food well i mean especially with a flower it's like a flower was fucking plants you know yeah like there's no it's not zero familiarity yeah but um exactly setting that scene up uh i think aquaman says um what will be really good right now will be great right now and uh uh almost as reinforcements and then aquaman is like no man a burger and a pint of Guinness and some za was like some some za god he sucks his i start to get this feeling of like i'm with all we're dragging around this stupid cave man who like wants to do everything stupidly but it's like we're trying to save the world here bad yeah i'll tell my people tell you but with za he means pizza right yeah who says that i don't think i've ever heard that in mind so i fucking like rags can i blame the americans for this one we never said pizza bizarre i've never heard a pizza called za some za i've never i've never heard this before yeah me neither but i gotta be some i don't know i i blame well what can i say i wouldn't be france belgium well so james one is australian but i've never heard anybody say za in australia maybe he saw it in one tweet one time i think it's an american thing i'm almost in i've never heard it in my life and i've been to like multiple regions of america i've never heard it said maybe it's like a young person thing that maybe that's what the young kids say some young zoomary young people they're like za pizza is too syllable so it's too complex for my brain we have to call it za so i googled it and that's like the first thing i find is from mail magazine and they have the pretty funny headline how we got stuck in the ongoing nightmare of calling pizza za which is from 2020 and then continues if we fail to stop covid from spreading but perhaps there's still time to contain za before truly gets off control i agree it might already be out of control well it's in aquaman 2 and the hero is saying it yeah well the hero well or i didn't say it but aquaman said it so i only in a comic panel for the ninja turtles so what do they call it za that's a that's a whole that's a whole rabbit hole holy shit the saw hole the saw hole this is news to me same i've i've never heard i've never heard this before until the movie no clue how it originated it's maybe it's some terrible regional thing this one is quite amusing um some people like me were personally horrified by this quote the first time i ever heard this abomination of a fucking word was all playing my ex-boyfriend in words with friends no one uses it and it's bullshit and i hate it but yeah you're allowed to use it in words with friends fuck off there's no way i'm just trying to find which country is to blame you know that's all i want to know definition of za is this online slang dictionary i need to i need to know more this is crazy who's doing this carry on will research it's important so they are as they're moving through this forest they see a giant butterfly um which then gets eaten by a giant plant and then others like uh that's definitely not normal and then they get chased by a bunch of warm asks if it's normal a giant rat yeah almost like is that normal to have a butterfly get eaten by the plant and he confirms it's not normal then and i get chased by a bunch of massive bugs because i mean it's only been about five minutes since the last action scene is yeah a little confusing though because again they're practically gods and so it's like why do you care if they're chasing you you guys can just fuck them up just weird grasshoppers or whatever the fuck they were like yeah wrong we know that they are you think that they would just be able to fight them off i would expect like i could do like a ground pound and they'd all go blah you know yeah probably but then we wouldn't have this funny joke where the ocean master is not used to running yeah he just that was real funny running and then he starts running and he's better than author running yeah instantly but in the other scene he's slower than him again so i don't know doesn't doesn't he say something like um i bet the aura calcum uh changed or mutated the floor and fought at a really short amount of time like to to just account for the fact that we're in a wacky dinosaur world or whatever just like yeah i think it's the aura calcum okay that we would that's in an alternate version of this movie where it was orman uh aquaman for the majority of it which is what they should have done and dropped a lot of other plots that would be the kind of thing that they say at hq before they go to stop them at the island it's like now be careful it's going to be dangerous the aura calcum calcum has mutated the flora and fauna to be you know to be spooky so watch out and they're like okay how bad can it be and then it cuts to them on the island watching something horrific happening or something i don't know but that seems like a normal joke seems like a pretty basic standard like uh you know like oh okay like you probably even know the joke before it happens but it's kind of okay because the joke's not trying to be super subversive it's pretty standard like oh yeah it is really bad you know i'm just thinking as you talk about this like yeah this is what's causing it it's like why is that happening it's because he's getting the flim fuel and just burning it he's just burning it to deliberately pollute the planet well again you know to defend the film it's the zombie king that wants to do that to melt his his uh prison melt the zombie i guess what i'm saying is it's just like it's it's funny because it's just in terms of like trying to make it applicable to real world pollution happens because that's like the process of trying to run the world you know cars use petrol it's really clever because he wants the power to kill aquaman he's promised that from releasing pollution so really it's a man searching for more power in the world and he's destroying the world by doing it that's very applicable is the idea that it's like see it's the prison kind of like how humans are polluting to escape the prison of being living on earth or something and they want to go they want to go elsewhere but like you know i don't think it's just it's just not analogous when it's you're just like burning you're you're polluting for the sake of polluting that is your goal is to pollute it's not analogous with polluting is the by-product it would be potentially more interesting if the pollution was as part of an arms race for both you know atlantis and earth because a war is you know beginning something like that it's just like oh see our interest in trying to dominate the other civilization has actually destroyed the world we both live on well it's just presumed if the point of the film which i presume it would have to be is like we need to think about and deal with climate change how does this help how does this help that of like i yes the film where the guy deliberately polluted to free an evil fucking skeleton mad for his prison so they could kill aquaman for revenge because if you're if you're trying to make a movie that's about climate change and pollution of the earth you have to you probably shouldn't be about like underground zombie lords trying to resurrect all the draugr or whatever you need to be like what are you willing to do to make the earth clean like your standard of living in your technology and your power because that's that in terms of dealing with it as a problem that's kind of like that's the conversation about yeah it's about like selfishness and what we have to sacrifice in order to solve the problem uh what kind of things do we need you know like because that that's kind of like the nature of a right if you want to get the money for like research and development into cleaner you know modes of energy that's a cost and that's a trade-off somewhere or like is there things that you need to trade off in your personal life it's like those are the kind of like government policy those sorts of things are the conversations that it should mostly be about india and china but they ain't gonna do that so ha well zombie king is basically the same how was it even like what am i supposed to learn when it's like uh the moral of the story is don't go insane and talk to an evil skeleton man in the mirror who convinces you to deliberately oh it's clearly an allegory as was said it represents big bad evil corporation men zombie king same diff pollutant the world that's what we call subtext okay you're supposed to be able to detect it it's very um metaphorical symbology uh other words that relate to stuff there i did it i analyzed it sure i agree um during this chase scene they they run up to like a big crevasse like a massive cliff and orm's like all right jump down there we could probably survive that i'm just like oh can you can you and then uh i can't see maybe i don't know it's a statue that's got an engraving on the side saying a king like a true king builds bridges um where's that here uh because i don't actually know i don't i don't know um i don't i don't know if there's anything i guess because i figured that their base was there i didn't know if it was like actually like an ancient base that had existed from the before times or if it was a base they'd built into the volcano to deliberately put the stuff in the volcano to pollute but yeah the statue was there and he bumps into it and it collapses which is like oh wow so you're like super super strong yeah you probably could fight the uh the bugs instead of running away but only that does thing shouldn't function as a bridge because the hedge was just pop off the way it fell but it just stops and it's perfectly fine until they get over there well they get over and then they push it off so they're strong enough to push it off and then uh all of the bugs they fall down that's like man you guys really probably could have just fought them in one but that's okay that's fine that's fine you're okay it's good they needed to go this way anyway it is really lucky that like the statue fell in the direction that it did if it fell like the other way or if it even fell like in an angle then they wouldn't be able to get across or if it started breaking at a higher point then they would have just been screwed but it's fine on the note as well of like the statue related to building bridges a leader like if you want me to buy that as a kind of cool element to think about Aquaman like making use of it in that way but then it like crumbles apart and falls down the the chasm eventually because they you know what I mean I'm like okay now you don't want me to think about it right because what am I supposed to draw from it otherwise mixed message or is it perfect it represents Aquaman one where it's like see he's unite everybody and then it all falls apart because he's a terrible leader good job I guess that's why I mean yeah wait we got another scene um we got another scene with black man so that's really funny um because like the door's open to his quarters oh no Dr. Shin just goes in the door's unlocked yep it's pretty usual uh and the room's empty so he grabs the trident and then it shows the evil spirit the skeleton man's plan to raise an army of zombies um and then Francis behind him just what you do buddy okay I'll say this just as you're recounting all these things like this movie really does fly by when you just sort of describe it broadly because it's really tough to sort of explain that this film is it it it's not the worst slog but it's still a slog because there tries to be so much plot go here do this shitty characters bad dialogue everyone's a moron it's a long movie and it feels like it's a long movie um but it's just boy like you guys just don't know you guys don't know this is uh oh it's not fun at all it's still better than rebel moon but geez not fun at all so like black man to like pins him to the wall and basically says he just says I'm gonna kill Aquaman and he's such a goober I'm gonna kill Aquaman and destroy everything he holds dear I'm gonna murder his family and burn his kingdom yeah he's got some issues he's he's holding on to some yeah he's he's holding on to some emotions there um it's it's just like he's such a goober um it's definitely yeah that's I'm just gonna say that like it's just you get reaffirmed constantly how useless he's gonna be as as anyone to be interested in and uh I mean I just want to say spoilers but he gets booed from the film with about as much interest as is generated throughout so I feel like the film agrees with what the audience would probably think nobody likes black man to he was only here to facilitate other things uh pretty much which um I don't know just seems like a waste yeah like why bring him back I mean they fucking play this like they won't stop reminding you it's like I hate you because my daddy died it's like you do remember why your dad died right dad was a terrible person he's an asshole it was his daddy you guys are like pirates or something yeah he's just he's just an all-round bad person who gets worse and that is possessed by an even bad thing and just like what's okay there's no hope for you but even fucking palpatine and sauron are like man you could work on your personality exactly but that's enough of that um that that this is the part we were talking about before they have essentially a conversation about like the the nature of how you know that they're fighting over who should be king and how Arthur doesn't really want to be king and how Orm had always sort of been led to believe that Arthur was going to come back and take the throne from him but again we only get about 20 seconds of that before they just decide all right time for some jokes and let's get moving on because uh we're done with character development at this point he also calls Orm Loki which I found really weird because it does nothing like Loki at all they're totally different people well and you can tell that's why the influence is for doing this so people like Thor and Loki we're kind of like Thor and Loki it's like no no Orm has a completely different personality and powers yeah and like like I wouldn't say Thor's a dude bro I mean he's getting closer as the films go on they seem to desperately want him to be a loser dude bro but yeah sorry as well as just remembering did you did you recap the quote of uh recount the quote of him saying what's the the shin doc shit he says uh you can't trust the Trident that line just I just sighed laugh it I thought it was so funny you can't trust the Trident it sounds like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles slogan or whatever you can't trust the Trident Cowabunga dude saying it to his bosses though it would make any fucking difference whether or not he was possessed by a super evil Scalobad like it's he's it's about you're telling the possessed person that they can't trust the possessing entity like all right no fair enough yes also uh back over to Aquaman the um doesn't that seem partially or at least the part one of the jokes he makes jokes comments he makes is I'm gonna pull uh his tongue out of his butt let's look let's look one of the things and it's just like fucking hell the jokes suck this is what I it was an annoying thing about the first film and it's something that I feel like it's becoming more apparent with this one like it seems like people are aware of it now but it was always the case the films were never fun in the way that they were trying to be the jokes that they wanted to tell sucks it was funny like ironically you're not meant to laugh when they play the ocean master theme but it's really funny you don't you know what I mean yeah yeah and then the same carries through here the jokes that they try to make aren't funny but the things that they try to make serious yeah it's so incompetent that they make you giggle because it's like oh look at you trying this is pathetic we're about to get to the funniest part of the film um because they get to the they get to match this hidden base and they make a lot of noise as they effortlessly sneak through and then they get to the control room and they kill everybody inside without anybody raising the alarm um and then we got you know them basically saying like oh my god this is you with knowing um I think they play at the idea that they don't want to kill anyone sort of because all them goes to shoot someone and then Aquaman's like whoa whoa whoa just knock him out right right and it's just kind of like you guys are gods and you slam them into the head like to the point where they slam down into the ground I feel like they are dead I don't think so because Aquaman really wants to kill the doctor in a few moments and Orham is like no don't do it that's right he he really doesn't want to kill him wants to knock him out uh well no but in the in the fight scene like I I don't it doesn't make sense to me the idea that he why would he give a shit they're bad guys well so what I was gonna bring up secondarily was I thought in the first film Aquaman was one of the people that just he literally let people die that's part of the core motive for black man to I didn't know I thought his system was like hey if they chose to be bad guys then they get the bad guy treatment I didn't realize he was like whoa whoa whoa we don't kill or something like that's the I was like what are we doing is like is it just residue from like you're making a superhero movies you try to avoid killing people or something even though even though there's plenty of wants and destruction yeah death anyway well I mean it reminds me a man a steal right like it's the same mistake a lot of these filmmakers make they're like oh what do we have the explicit like one-on-one and the person goes oh no you've beaten me now what will you do is like oh however they forget like during all of the other fight scenes they're practically annihilating thousands of civilians without caring last of us too that too yeah um that this is the part where they try to give their pathetic excuse for why nobody noticed the pollution which is that the base was heat shielded to prevent thermal satellites from noticing which shielded it's also it's also all with the fucking throwaway lines he just keeps doing that they keep using him to be like it must have been this that allows this to happen to make this make sense like okay it just fundamentally doesn't address that your eyeballs should see the green gas spewing from the volcano yep yeah with a satellite as well a heat shield is not going to prevent a satellite from seeing just green gas but by the way this next part is so important for the plot it's kind of hilarious um dr shin like he just is there he's the first person to discover them in the in there and he pretends like i'm gonna capture you but then closes the door is like i'm i'm i want to get the fuck out of here i don't like this yeah this goes crazy are we supposed to think that these guns can damage them sorry did you say that um i think yeah i meant to conclude yeah there's probably an atlantic and adjacent guns some of them are like so these you shoot like sound waves as well which can work on them i think so yeah that they are meant to be like the ancient technology i think which uh appears to basically we just have to accept that it's hyper effective um but he you know he's not he's not going to use it he's like i'm sorry like i just wanted to explore at lancis not help man to destroy the world which is pretty funny because it's like motherfucker you fired the cannons yes you kill you are personally responsible for many deaths you are a terrible person who has a lot of blood on your hands but the film doesn't seem to realize well the thing is there's a lot of crab blood Arthur's like do you expect us to believe that you've had like a change of heart he said like yeah no i made some mistakes you know it's okay yeah have you made some mistakes yeah i guess so um but then yeah this is a part where again Arthur demonstrates his uh psych uh psychopathic tendencies because even though dr shin is unarmed and complying with with them Arthur's like well let's let's assault him knock him out and he's like no orm orm says no yeah which is this one's gonna be like it feels like a complete flipper failure we're always gonna shoot someone and i was like no no no we'll just hit him meanwhile now we're doing this this unarmed scientist i really want to hurt him not to me and he's like he's like cooperating like what is actively cooperating but he's just like well i want to i want to assault him the fucking meat heads doesn't know what's going on i can squeeze a little bit more violence out of this mission yes orm the true hero is like no that would be wrong and then and then they want to get they're like all right dr shin you need to explain what's going on and then sudden explosion makes its dramatic return oh no sudden explosion how could you we're done with this now i was cackling that she was so funny they really did bring it back the thing that it's an explosion my old friend my old friend what's not funny is Arthur saying i hate when that happens um that wasn't funny it's not funny when you acknowledge it you just need to have the sudden explosion and then don't make a joke about it the joke has already been made it could be that they are actually that unaware and the joke is simply referencing that one time that just happened right now like you know when something crazy and ridiculous happens in life and you go i hate when that happens obviously it's funny because it's like that never happens i don't know but but you know obviously we're thinking like you must be referencing the fact that this happened like 10 times in total now i think uh because i'm pretty sure it's just a commonly known thing that happened in the first film of man there's just like a lot of sudden explosion you the way to make a joke of that is that someone says all right so here's the evil person's plan and then both like aquaman he like looks around like he's like he looks up into the ceiling like he steadies himself for something happening and then the video's like okay carry on you know that would be it doesn't happen it doesn't happen um also dr shin despite being closest to the explosion is not dead uh he got knocked out yeah he's fine it's okay which uh which means wow if he's knocked out it means the bad guys don't know that he was making a deal with them and it means that he'll be able to continue to be part of the bad guy team yeah perfect so that means that he'll be in a position to uniquely subvert the bad guys operations how convenient yeah because luckily he gets the baby on his board and later on oh sorry spoilers wow no we're not we're not there yet we got we got an exciting action scene we're not oh my god you're right there's a baby in parallel in this movie oh my god there's a blood ritual in a you're right they forget about Arthur's family for most of the film until like oh so did the film so it's fine that's what it would have been it's just like the whole film forgets about it but we got a big action scene where it's kind of funny because this whole action scene feels like it's it's the end of the movie it's like actually no we're at the second act low point kind of we're nearly at the second act low point sort of action scene this is our big second act fight I guess we would say um it's not like we've already had four of those but still um I don't even know what is there's not much to be said about the fight I just didn't find it very like interesting at all it was no it had weird stupid physics weird sort of interactions between like them and the big octopus machine that they were fighting where like it just temporarily forgets how many legs it has that can use against them um it's it's just like there's like a part where again it's really crazy physics they like do the thing of you know it's the hot thing right of wrapping the stuff around the lake so that it falls over they throw like a chain and it has this weird physics where like it redirects mid air so that it can wrap around the legs and stop it from uh from from you know killing them um it's just it's just stupid as well we will check it out it was like it's going to be more fun if he tried really hard and it just really didn't work like it just didn't even come close he's like uh like he has to try something else because it's like the the physics on her are quite funny this is like oh that's that just worked out best possible way huh yep let's do a little wrap around no problemo because orm is the real character in this film he gets another beat where uh like the lady inside who was piloting it is there and orms you know he's got a gun and he can he can kill her but uh he he doesn't want to he stops he doesn't want to do it um but then he gets struck by another sudden explosion so what do i mean though aquaman one orm you would have killed her aquaman two orm and be like so he's come on away it's like i don't have anything to explain why but they're allowing him to be more dimensional yeah which is something with him it's something something other than all the nothing in this movie yeah makes me like him yeah but unfortunately black man says coming along to ruin all of that let's do that instead of just randomly turning people into shitty assholes what if we just randomly turn them into let's do the reverse just like maybe the next film they're just kind of nice and likable and interesting just even if it's inexplicable i'll just like i'll fucking take it baby steps that should probably be flagged for future conversations as an example of one of the very few of writing it's not really supported but it's doing a nice thing and it works way better than non-supported nasty things well it's just if your if your choice is to continue with garbage or to contradict yourself in a positive direction you know i guess like i'd prefer to see that um they decide that doesn't that doesn't have another payoff to it right she doesn't make a decision later based on the fact that he's better she she she just eventually dies later um by by arthur he kills her and a bunch of other people um but uh no that's that's just that deed of him being more merciful um which uh yeah i guess which is i mean it's kind of interesting i mean he was already shown mercy to a doctor's shit anyway so but you know it's just yeah the black mans is here to ruin that because i need to have a fight um it's true and and like arthur explains to om that mantor is a lot stronger and om just kind of like ignores him and then gets flattened straight away just gets punched and knocked out of the fight immediately well it's a comedic beat we're not being serious again so yeah like he slides across the ground with his arms like and isn't he like sort of thing yeah which by the way makes me think they kind of rip in loki and hulk a little bit that joke a little bit it's a bit uh yeah so then they have their fight um that you know they they get into a fight and then um like as the fight happens the the uh the trident gets thrown om grabs it and gets blasted with a bunch of soon-to-be-exposition like it just shows a bunch of new imagery that we haven't seen before and is like ah we got an exposition dump incoming but think about how important this is if he didn't grab that he wouldn't have gotten all of this and we wouldn't be getting a shit ton of essential information that we're about to discover like in five minutes so that means that the demon possessing the trident he can't decide to just like pass and not give the visions honestly i think if you watch it all this time grab is a freebie any more than that he possesses you seems like it yeah i think i think that is that follows with everything we see in the movie it's it's retarded of course i can't explain why he grabs it once and it doesn't do anything and yeah om grabs it twice man so grabs it more than twice maybe maybe i don't know if they were actually going for it but i will say um a little bit of a defense in the in the nature of that event happening it's reasonable in the middle of a fight that you'd pick up your enemy's weapon like yeah i don't blame him at all yeah i don't blame him i think it's reasonable that it happens it's more so a matter of just imagine man said decided not to throw it like imagine if you just made a slightly different choice yeah um and then he and then a whole bunch of information that they need that they need and that they couldn't have found without it is gone i think that's the thing that's worth noting um but yeah like uh he gets blasted with uh man's laser and the man's about to execute a warm but uh drago shows up with a bunch of atlantic ships that just bombard the volcano while those guys are inside um and i guess he just doesn't care if uh the debris kills them which it nearly does or if it detonates all of the auracalcum yeah which imagine if it did that and destroy everything just absolutely fucking idiotic i don't know why they would have concluded that was a good idea uh and also the timing man if they showed up five minutes earlier or later whole movie changes isn't that crazy like if they showed up five minutes ago they didn't how very good which i would then add yeah or would have been dead they would have lost all of that information obviously it changes everything because now orn's dead and he can't have his little arc and everything uh and five minutes earlier this before the action scene so who knows how it would have changed things um but i mean we're nearly done with this action scene man so he flees they go into the water and he flees and uh blasts Arthur with the cannon and then Arthur gets pinned under some rocks but mera comes along and like grabs all of these massive rocks and moves them with seeming ease because her powers are way greater than uh aquaman like she's just more powerful than him i don't understand like she's so overpowered it seems kind of crazy that like the power would be so strong that you can just effortlessly move a bunch of massive rocks that are powerful enough to pin down a guy who just single-handedly pushed a massive giant statue like off of a cliff with relative ease he's a little bit tired yeah i guess so um and and yeah this is the first time that we find out that the crab king is miraculously alive the whole group like reconvenes on a nearby island and you got drago there and the crab king who's like i survived but you know he cut off my claw didn't we see him in uh the montage part oh we saw him in the montage at the beginning during like the politics thing but this is just first like proper scene of having a conversation but that confirmed he was alive and well yes even though he wasn't he uh he was like at the epicenter of the destruction um i like how he's just over Arthur killing many of his guys too like really Arthur probably caused more destruction to the crab kingdom than uh anything in all history of morning covet yeah um but then we got a massive exposition dump incoming it's really big i'll just run through it before we talk about it so it's all the information they got from the trident which gives them a bunch of information that um the lost kingdom necrus was our run necrus yeah that was run by i hate that name so i'm gonna run through the whole thing and then we can talk about it um orb explains that yeah necrus is the lost kingdom and it was run by king atlund who was like the founder of atlantis's brother cordax um they use the the auricolk and fleam fuel to build their empire but it was you know fucking up the planet so atlund told him to stop and cordax he resented atlund and thought that he was um just trying to like stop him from running his kingdom and being a super cool guy so he used dark magic to create the black trident and then turned himself and his own people into zombies and monsters to wage war with atlantis and lost and then got sealed in an ice prison with um blood magic by atlund that sealed him there uh and in ice forever um i don't know why he didn't just kill him since he won the war well you can't just kill him and when you imprison him you have to make sure that the magic has a way to open it back up just in case you need to get in you know just in case i just find it funny that it's like oh you told me to stop polluting i'm going to turn myself into a monster man and turn all my people into monster people yeah it's actually crazy that someone could have read that out and someone else said yep here's 200 million dollars here's a lot of money this is so funny because i guess the implication is the the the pollution the the global war was already so bad that it got rid of some of the ice blood magic and awakened the tentacle thing five months ago that i think that's what what we're meant to conclude is essentially that normal normal climate change that's not the crazy sci-fi bullshit in this movie yeah melted it sufficiently to where they could discover the lost kingdom but that he needed to accelerate it himself personally to melt enough of the ice to where he could it makes complete sense uh tier one human global warming releases the trident and a couple zombies squared whatever it's like yeah that makes sense why was the trident just laying around that makes sense and then the oracle i didn't uh atlant take it that makes sense even in the hobbit they buried the witch king with the morgle blade like even they didn't fuck that up well and also if if the if the evil necrus king guy kordax if he was how how long has he already been waiting how much long would he have to wait didn't he say like thousands of years yeah yeah long i guess he got thousands of years ago he getting patient i suppose you know just waiting quietly so in the oracle boost unlocks even more zombies and the only one that's held by blood magic is specifically kordax though his spirit lives on in the in the trident no what we saw in the visuals though was that all of these zombies yeah no no because magic because no that sounds complicated yeah logistics of that seems unreasonable and also true because they were just killed wait that means that they didn't kill the zombies how did they lose no they they were frozen that keeps you alive oh they were no no i mean like in the the war yeah the one i guess they uh well there is a weird shot where he does the spell then there's a whole bunch of zombies running away and it's like were they not dealt with no the answer is no the answer is no oh here's two hundred million dollars for your what a shitty fucking what a shitty fucking spell that just can just be undone by time this is all just garbage yeah that's fucking awful um and and so we get back to the film looking like it was chopped to shit because they have all this conversation up on land and then we just cut to them like in a ship for about 20 seconds to to continue their conversation yeah um to where it really seems like yeah that one was massively reshot um but basically that they're uh they're up on land and now they're just done to see for like 20 seconds to talk about it um again this is a scene where amber herd is in it so i presume that that has something to do with it yeah basically what they explain is that um the key to cortex's prison is the royal bloodline um it's not really magic it's like dna so it's the royal bloodline could free him uh and then everybody like orm says oh where the end of the bloodline you know like me Arthur and uh and Nicole Kidman uh and then they realize well no actually uh Arthur Jr remember him um yeah he's in danger um and so then we cut to we're we're at Boba Fett's house and um there was a thunderstorm happening which was very uh very it sets the mood really well and so i was gonna say by the way on the note of those other two scenes uh it's huge for all to be speaking to a lot of these characters and it's really glossed over so quick yeah because again it's his mother um Nicole Kidman it's it was going to be his wife you know with Mara and of course this is brother and it's uh it's a crab king who he manipulated into a wage war with him and uh yeah crab man who he's cut off his arm but we we just the crab man and andrego kind of confront him but everybody else is just they're just sort of and even they're like we made memes about it a little bit earlier but uh you know the he did with the king he's he's kind of like i don't like you and then i like you that's about what they do yep they don't give it to crab king though because he's not a human person so yeah all he says is ma ha ha he doesn't like you yeah like okay i mean you could have done a hell of a lot with this uh plays the crab man right yes yeah that's kind of fun i wish we got a film without the crab king and his adventures but no um but yeah we're uh we're at Boba Fett's house he's watching tv with Arthur Junior and then the power goes off and he's like all right that's kind of weird let me let me sort that out and the fucking black man's is just standing there in the darkness and he stabs me and he says and i i get the impression that this was adr um because they're probably gonna kill off um they're probably gonna kill off uh Boba Fett but they change their mind he says i'm i'm gonna let you live so that they can watch you die this is the weirdest fucking scene in the whole film for me uh if i can i'll even summarize and think for it is uh you see that and so the viewer knows now oh shit his dad is in so much trouble and anyone who's watched films is like this is probably his death scene because it'll give Arthur a big old boost of motivation and the sun is missing the meta knowledge on top is like oh this is the last one so this is it so and they arrive the house is like exploded this fire everywhere he's he's stumbling out of it covered in blood and uh you know Mira's screaming because of the the kid's been taken and he's like i'm sorry uh you know man to took the uh Junior and then and then they have a slow mo shot of Aquaman going no cut let's have a scene with Dr. Shit again snooping around on the ship and it's like okay okay and then this movie is so weird and then we cut back film experience we cut back to your dad's gonna be fine i thought he was gonna die the whole plan was that he was gonna die in front of like of old age like eventually he's gonna die of old age surrounded by loved ones is that what the bad guy meant that didn't seem that much of a curse it's just when and then when you when you put everything together when you put together that that line really now it's funny it's like well all of the scenes with him with this helmet on is adiabat this one felt like it wasn't something he said feels like the scene that originally played out with him getting stabbed with silence because of course having him just awkwardly say i'm not gonna kill you while i drop my trident in your in your heart there i don't know let you live so that you can die i thought it was like poisoned or like he was cursed yeah i thought i thought he gave him a special stab yeah like a special stab to the heart that like put poison in his veins or a magic curse and they'd be like oh no we have to save our dad with the magic but the only way to break the magic seal is to defeat it's the most normal scene as a second act low point the the the older man who gave him advice obviously in this case being his dad is gonna die and it's really like you go on so you know you worry about the next generation you make sure he doesn't get like my Greg that sort of stuff like i said and the slobbo shot it's so very like okay all right we're doing emotions especially when you've got uncle man screaming as he holds his dying dad no it's the only time i think he does acting in the whole movie yeah because he looks pretty distraught um he can act he's he's he is actually an actor sometimes and like you said hard cuts are just a completely different scene of just dr seeing that man has abducted once again the room is open it's so funny just close the door to begin with you stupid all i needed to say that was like is that a fucking baby listen i've been meaning to talk to you about our gradual descent into evil and sacrificing a baby thing come on now i'm thinking about what you've been saying about destroying the earth oh is that a baby oh that's just too far that's too far and then i quit back to just like oh he'll be okay he's got a little tech on him yeah a plant in machine and it's so funny because a lot of times we we complied about how they have all this medic technology that's super advanced and they never use it and now in this part where you actually want to kill someone off where it makes a lot of sense it's like no no we're using it it's just it's just easy drama yeah wow that's just so evil and like a villain that's actually affecting your life that he's killed your dad and abducted your son but but to have it be oh well he didn't kill him like he's okay he'll be fine and it's not hurt but he's okay it's not utilized for anything it's just like a payoff that was sitting right there and i was gone because it's like does it make sense to have him kill your dad because you let his dad die that's something you know i could imagine again it was something that changed their mind on like this whole scene's really weird because they are he uses the kid to lure aquaman to a place to like ambush him and and he's like aquaman is like stay with my kid i won't let you kill him he's like kill him no i don't want to kill the kid i want him to watch his father like i had to watch and then they have the fight and then it's it like there's it's what i mean the fact he said i wanted to watch him die is relevant to that but that he just doesn't die i just like i'd love to know how that happened because as much as we're talking about reshoots cutting and all the mess this film went through i don't see the motive to keep Tamara Morrison's Aquaman's dad alive you know what i mean yeah it's because that would be sad and we don't do okay you don't want to go to an aquaman movie and feel something he's gonna be okay guys you want to feel like happy maybe that is the best example of that to have him go no you you sit with that emotion for the length of dr. shid the seed then they come back like oh we're fine we didn't want to put you with that mode for two log it is fairly quick because what happens is that basically he's seeing that this has happened he gets to a computer and sends like his coordinates to atlantis i don't know how he did this i don't even like i'm not even talking about how he did this without nobody noticing like who is he sending the coordinates to like he's just broadcasting the just a guy in atlantis i'm here on the evil submarine very yeah i guess he must have sent that i'm here on the evil submarine this is where we're going um and then we get spoke to the editor of this film by the way and said did you really cut up the scene of him dying to him being absolutely fine with a dr. shid and seeing just sending coordinates i think the response would be like who's dr. shid you really oh well i'm glad you brought up the editing because this this part was particularly seemed like it was chopped so like it was really destroyed in the edit because like they're up on they're up there in the morning with uh with boba fat in the machine to heal him up and then um drago walks up and says we got a signal like we gotta go to antarctica and then in the very next shot fucking amber herds like standing right next to him she's right next to him but like before he was alone he was standing there alone and then she's right there and it's like all right move on like once you cut what did you do show me what you got i'm just i'm just so cure i'm so curious what the original version of yeah where's the snider cut this movie come on let's go yeah where's the one no what did it look like but yeah anyway basically at lan is like all right you guys are gonna work together guys you gotta work together come on do it for me work together and then gives them a big old hug yeah and it's like yeah you got your little payoff and then she's like i'm staying here to which i thought no you're probably too powerful you probably should go with them like i understand you're sad because uh you really like boba fat but seriously you're like really powerful you should probably go with them but no that should be part of the sort of idea of the movie is that you have to maybe you don't let your emotions get in the way of your duty as a leader or a royalty or something like that i imagine a through line would be interesting as the whole idea of like bigger picture of Arthur could spend a lot more time with his son but in spending more time doing his work he creates a better world for his son anyway but then it's the balance of like a better world in which i'm not really involved in his life or is it better if i'm more involved in his life that just seems to me like a pretty easy one to do especially if it doesn't yeah it's the aquaman equivalent of there's a reason daddy works late some nights yeah and you'll understand when you're older yeah it's not a bad thing that he necessarily is doing that but we're not interested in doing any good angers with him it's only or i'm getting mad because or i'm getting like that in courage the only angle this movie is his obtuse oh all right this is you know i'm getting his little thing with a little kid man of just that motivation to push him towards being a hero it's like yeah because orms the real hero of the story he's getting all of the standard normal beats that you're supposed to get he really does he do be a little trolley uh with one of his payoffs with the king though yeah that one was that one was very much like a trolley that feels like an edited one too but i could it could the film function without that character from that scene on wood i think for the most part you could probably cut him out couldn't you and i wonder if he was cut back in because they were like i don't know it almost we're not there yet we could talk about what we get there shows up again yeah it's a little he said he does save him and some people at the end but it's like you could just switch him out with anybody at that point uh yeah i mean it's it's kind of funny because you wouldn't know it if you're watching this film but drago's meant to be mayor's dad yeah you wouldn't know it but i mean oh i just want to measure it out like the the payoff of will he will orbs save him when they're clearly antagonistic they play like suspicious music and he does a kappa face to him before he leaves and it's such a like well this doesn't make any sense and then the the scene just keeps going like so he will save him because of course he will yeah like if he had just slipped and then we cut something else like oh shit did he actually but it's like no it just keeps going it's like okay just save him save and it's funny how no one else is just there's just no awareness of this happening from anyone else around could you imagine if someone saw that and it's it's the simplest drama shit ever it's like we don't like each other big beast he tries to get you i stopped him now we're friends like yep i'm not even i'm not even saying that doesn't work or anything it does it works really well we see it in loads of things it's just funny to see it implemented it's like a almost a basic 101 of like you like stories right you're like yeah yeah cool and that's the only that's the only thing you're gonna get in this film well and and everything we have any praise or neutral sort of perspective on is all all related for the most part pretty much yeah you know it's worthless basically we got a pretty worthless scene here of just them discussing their plan oh we do this time it's worthless it feels it feels particularly worthless because there's nothing to be said it's like they basically they just talk about a vague plan of like oh we got to deal with that cannon i'll figure that one out all right get on the let's go and then they leave disney what if i start we have to deal with that cannon that's right they do this is a problem something has to be done you gotta delay to get rid of it um but that i mean that's yeah like that's that's that and then man so that they're like back in atlanta they're back in our antarctica and they're looking at all of the the the melting that they've done and don't just like oh shit we are what do we do and then man says like oh well you know i only i only accelerated it by a few years it's like are you kidding me like you're melting enough of that arctic to reveal bro you resurrected a zombie keg you've taken it too far it's like i don't know i mean if he's already melted like a sizable portion of the Antarctic ice sheet we're already we're already kind of like jover at this point like yeah there's probably a lot of flooding happening right now across the world with all this you're screwed like yeah like what are you gonna do now it's it's over don't worry fringy they have the technology to reverse it all apparently reverse it yeah i guess so um like all the higher back into the volcano i don't know i guess like maybe atlantis has got really good carbon capture or something but yeah it's really freezers they put into an arctic arctica and just rebuild the ice i thought they were just gonna get everybody to blow real hard on and freeze it up i uh it's at this point open your refrigerators will reverse global warming the the fact that manta is directly presented with you're you're like destroying the world it is like it's like oh wow you're just like not a character yeah he's not a character anymore he's just a goober um but then we get uh we get the now i remember you mentioned before it's something along the lines of why why why didn't they launch their own sonic waves at the uh at the big submarine um that was attacking at the beginning of the film well they do with with ackerman using his power to command fish to do it slave only any of the way it's a bunch of whales right yeah a lot of them um a very good send the endangered species in to fight into war man no please and they come they come along and they blast their waves send them they blast their waves at the submarine and for some reason it causes the engines to overload and blow up yeah and they all die all of them die probably a lot of people in that submarine very much like the submarines established is kind of a powerhouse in this film and then they were like we need to get rid of it fucking i don't know wales if only a lander's had the power of some wales some wales yeah wales single-handedly blew it up that lady character i don't know her name but she had the same reaction the audience did have just like oh okay i guess that's that then yeah bye yeah it takes like 30 seconds if even and it's just over goodbye big submarine we're done uh man said just doesn't give a shit he never addresses or acknowledges or cares about this he doesn't give a shit he doesn't care it's so like it's just not even uh oh that's gonna save me a lot of money i don't have to pay all these hundreds of people in the submarine anymore yeah the orichalcum build on oh it also just hang yeah that's not urgency because he is apparently oblivious there was like no radio communication of this is happening um he's he's busy making his way into necrus like on the in the bigger and the bigger octopus like vehicles um but the atlanticians are like right behind them they like swim in through this like opening they launch a flare and then a million zombies just start attacking them the editing and the editing here is again really messy like it's really like you get a big shot of it it's like panning back and a bunch of zombies appear and then suddenly aquaman is being charged up by like a massive underwater monster and kind of attacks in five seconds and then mero like creates i don't know something without like underwater magic powers uh and then kills it and then they just climb up they're just now like they're gonna go up while the crabs deal with all the zombies it's really choppy and it's a lot of zombies by the way like they're so warm it's no way to survive this it's just not happening it's like a swarm of locus but underwater and they're big people sized zombies um it's kind of kind of crazy that anybody they could even expect to survive this when it seems like their force their force is considerably smaller than that that they had in the first film when it was atlantis doing all this shit it's like a small it's like a small squad when it seems like you need a massive army here bring yeah because atlantis it took atlantis to beat them the first time or maybe they won really really easily maybe that's why they didn't kill them they're just like oh you you're you're actually not gonna kill them again or whatever if you get thought out then they'll just kill you again i guess i don't know i don't have something to do that afternoon i suppose it's just interesting because in terms of a final set piece the first one was like absolutely bombastic in terms of how big it was it was ridiculous this one's like it's big but it's also like weirdly small as well uh yeah it seems contained in like hallways and like this little temple area it does seem smaller it does seem a lot smaller um but i mean that's that's uh like manta heads into the uh into the throne room and there are a bunch of these torches and they light up and he sees kodak sitting behind the wall of ice and meanwhile like uh that basically the the main team are climbing up to this bridge the bridge that leads to the castle under all of this ice and this is where we get to the part that has been already talked about if drago gets grabbed by a monster he's like or help an arm does the calf face it is like i'm not gonna help you and then we hang with drago for like a few seconds while he's there and then or comes around on the other side like chops the leg off of the monster it's kind of awkward because he also slips uh one time so he could have just died there while he was doing this little kappa face imagine him just coming to help him and he's just gone it's like oh fuck i should know this but is this all taking place underwater or no this is above water on the uh this is in the ice caves so is there they shouldn't be able to fight right like the crab and atlantic and everything should they be able to fight very well out here because worm had to learn how to run so remember in the first film what they establish is that basically only only like the royal bloodline guys and and like higher up like because they're hierarchy i guess actually has like genetic aspects to it where only they can breathe above water all of the atlantic it's have to wear like suits where they have water in their helmets and they seem to still be pretty powerful all of like the like royal people above land but any of the atlantic and soldiers would have to be wearing the helmets with the uh with the big mass but it seems like they don't really fight they don't do shit on land but they do in the first movie they fought and they fought reasonably competently they knew how to run and stuff which is pretty funny the idea the arm doesn't know how to run but like the special forces guys or whatever you know they know how to run like regular soldiers that just seems like a a new thing they've introduced that doesn't make any sense what's that terribly execute comedy getting a way of everything oh yeah i mean it makes me and ask questions that i don't think they have sufficiently good answers well i think if we brought this up to like any of the people who worked on this they just be like shut up fuck whatever they'd be like wait remind me what happened in the movie why this so basically it like the final action set piece stuff of the movie and it it gets real messy here all right i'll try and throw it best to explain it in in as clear a way i can a bunch of atlanticians are up on this bridge fighting their way to the uh to the throne room but they're fighting backwards like the zombies are chasing them towards it it's not like they have to fight through a massive horde um but they're doing that and while they're doing that mantis in there in the throne room and he's like hey dr shin you know hey um they helped me out here and then dr shin just gives him a bomb and then just throws it up in the air and it blows up um and and then we cut back to them fighting outside and we cut back to you know dr shin it's like all right i'm gonna i'm gonna get to arthur junior and and try and save you and then um mantis like just stops him he just like he stops him from doing that and then um he grabs arthur junior um well well like dr shin's like no don't do that and he puts him on the table and then arthur junior communicates like telepathically with the waves that they show when um whenever it's like arthur communicating with um with the fish um and then it cuts back to mantis being in the throne room like oh i'm about to stab but he's so evil i'm gonna stab this child this baby to sacrifice must commence sacrifice you can't make it sound stupider than it is you know i mean like you can't it's just like that is what it is so yeah it's dumb as fuck exactly what it is and then um arthur gets in and like you you stop that and then they have a big fight that looks so fake pretty sure he teleported as well i don't see how he got there in a split second from where he was well how did he get there and nobody else got there what they answer with the um the telepathic whatever they answer how he knows where the baby is but how did he get there because and if he got there why isn't anybody else there why isn't marrow there like it's also her son oh no she's coming she's just late she is she's auto late and she's late we need we need this big the the reason why this the scene looks fake it doesn't look like yeah i think it's all cg um there's like a lot of really impossible and weird camera movements the choreography is like inhumanly fast it doesn't really look all that good and then and then ackerman just like loses he just loses the fight and then mad says like i'ma kill you now but then he he gets stopped just in time by marrow with her crazy ridiculous powers like she beats him basically completely um just in the nick of time uh and then she uh she rescues junior and manta is getting real mad now and he grabs the black trident and throws it at uh marrow and then as she turns around slow mo reveals that uh orm caught it he pay off in the movie it is the best pay off in the movie it's it's almost like uh oh like oh oh oh am i watching a real movie to give the film a movie trying to trick me he grabbed it saving her but also knowing that some bad shit was probably gonna happen because he did that i think i'm not exactly sure how he knows but but he does he knows because he says run he knows what's gonna do to him yeah that's right and of course this is you know he's saving his saving his brother's family essentially the family that he could have had yeah there's a lot to read into that makes this really good as a payoff yeah it's uh especially combined legitimate praise for aquaman the last kingdom almost the main character and he goes in his hero's journey and it's pretty solid this movie is better than rebel moon this is like kind of why oh yeah actually yeah well and it gets added to because you've got a bit more going on here because now a bunch of green magic flume happens kind of like what happened when manta grabbed it in the first place um and it's like cortex is starting to get control um and manta loses his powers because at this point caught actually i guess it's decided you're a cock i'm gonna get one to do because almost way forward than you i'm gonna get him to do this dude it is funny how much the film does not care about bad dirt this point like oh yeah because manta gets up and throws a punch at uh at aquaman he just catches it and then throws him away doesn't even look at him doesn't even look at it the sense you get is this is the real drama now you're the useless guy can fuck off uh yeah you're done yeah i'll kill you later don't worry he's out now because we've got uh we've got we've got drama we've got drama to do um yeah there's actually stuff to explain in terms of why this is solid um because well i guess Arthur is the descendant of atlan right so yes and he's wearing his outfit and cordax hates him so they've got that drama layer going on but then also that he's possessed orm who has a lot of underlying issues with Arthur he's possessed the brother who uh isn't who's got yeah exactly who's got like a similar sort of problem with the dynamic and he starts he starts throwing all of this at orm like you wanted to be king you know that's your right and you wanted to be king go get it this this guy took it from from you you got to stop him you fuck and like it was like reclaim ocean master which was a beaver the first one but the kaita user here is you know it's drama yeah like you're you're like the lesser man now you got to stop him and then and then Arthur combats it by grabbing onto the trident and then blasting him with like positive memories which is kind of interesting yeah that's another point of praise orm is is relying on all the times he's doing his memes in the first film of like i have the power blood and then rise atlanta aquaman focuses on the memories of them being brothers it's like wow look at you go movie look at you go and then uh and then it culminates in them essentially accepting the lesson that uh that nicole kidman was trying to teach them the whole time is we got to stick together we got to work together where brothers um like we we got a he called he calls on brother and tells him to let go of the trident but also he's telling him to let go of all of these memories he's holding on to all of these negative sort of characterizations he has of himself the things that he was pursuing because he was told to pursue them ocean master it's subtext in an aquaman movie it kind of sneaks up on you because yeah orm um something about orm that i find kind of interesting i think this is how it happened at least by accident he's supposed to be somewhat lame somewhat like uptight uncool and needs to chill out aquaman's showing him a bit more about life and obviously this big payoff is aquaman gets him in the right place he needs to be but the irony i think is that they're so bad at doing this that they created the only character that's actually like taking the world seriously as a result it's like they're like he's lame because he's uptight and needs to unwind we're like no he's actually pretty normal he's reacting to most things normally and so um you know it's because he's gonna unwind by the end of the film he's a bit more chill and he's understood blah blah just like what they tried to make for their own purposes has ended up i think boosting what appears to be the arc of just him being a normal guy finally and you know understanding the actual nature of what happened i can't even speak in about aquaman one and two this way because it feels weird but like i said i can this is such a clown movie all the way through and then you have this like oh wait there's something let me actually watch this properly for two minutes i was like oh that was kind of nice now we're back to clowns but yeah yeah it just sneaks up on you as i already said and it feels like an accident like it did how did this sneak in here did they know what they were doing if they did then how did they write the rest of the thing did they not actually care and then maybe they're like okay guys today's the day we're gonna actually be serious in the writer's room and they just like commonly may miss well it's uh it's kind of yeah like it's basically the power of them being brothers is what wins the day because at this point caught actually being freed from his prison he's like haha yes i'm free slowly getting out of the ice like yeah that's right and then Arthur throws the black trident at court acts but he catches it all men throw his Arthur his gold trident missed opportunity for them to have all them throw it i think would have been better i think i'm sure i know he should have yeah he should have overcome the curse of the trident and done it you can have it be you know that he picks up the trident that says you're the king and throws it to Arthur you know that there's something to be pulled from there i probably wouldn't have minded they each throw their respective trident he throws the black trident he throws away he throws away all of the bitterness and all of the evilness he throws away and then Arthur a more of physical representation of them defeating evil together right during their trident set him i think so so you got they got closer to there they had part of it they got part of the payoff there are the point being he throws the gold trident it shatters it shatters the black one and kills court acts and necra starts to fall apart and it's like um so why didn't atlan do that yeah it's really easy you just couldn't bring yourself to kill his brother he could bring himself to enslave him in ice or an ice the spell that would require a baby sacrifice potentially free him atlan was a strange guy this feels like they pulled it directly out of like uncharted two of oh my god we've defeated the bad guy now the city's falling apart we gotta get out of here it's uh they did that in uncharted three as well actually it's like oh no the city's falling apart we gotta get out of here i mean there's really not much to be said it's kind of funny because and then we get the funniest payoff being alive has nothing to do with the city being there because the city was built before it became a zombie man so there's no reason for it to collapse yeah explosion did it now because that's what happens at the end is the evil place just just gets destroyed and it tumbles down into the ocean or whatever also the CGI people need to make that seahorse uh again so that's that's oh yeah you're right yeah they need to get their their job yeah get their hours and get that over time basically you know they just escape right like it's they get on the seahorse and get out and you skipped over the best payoff what was the best payoff so funny he's hanging on the edge of a cliff for some reason it suddenly appeared and then our command is now he's he's repeated the moment from the first film he sees him he could help him but will he leave him and our commands like no this time i will help you so it reaches out for him and black matter just says was it never never and just let's go like he all about his head he looks out of it he's like never and let's go so here's something funny i think the point of that is supposed to be reflective of orm that they both went on journeys of like hatred driven by that kind of motivation that orm was able to let go of the hatred and move on and grow as a person meanwhile black matter was not i was like do you think you needed to work on the nature of the death that you're saying he couldn't let go and that he let go you know really is yeah i don't know what it is but the framing is really funny it is falls down you like falls down and that hits a rock it doesn't even like this would be probably an example of them trying to stay on theme and it just fucked the character because like why would he as someone who wants sacrament dead more than anything he would be the kind of character to accept the help and then stab him as soon as he gets up and that's what he would do yeah because that's how he's so committed to this he's willing to sacrifice a baby for its blood and a magic ritual um so like damn i'm forgetting what i know that this is in a film of some sort of the payoff of yeah i'll take your hand and then stab him or something or hit him and then they let go out of the reaction of like oh shit you hurt me a let go and then they fall to their death what am i thinking of that's definitely happened black widow black widow uh uh yeah remind me where she reaches for the the black widow person and then she's like i'm gonna get you with a knife and i'm gonna cut your hand that's holding me oh you drop me oh i'm actually might be right the other one i was thinking of is in grand theft or five in one of the endings in the ending if you go after michael um you can try and help him up or just drop him and if you help him up as you pull him up he head butts franklin and then franklin lets go and then he falls down and dies i feel like that's the payoff isn't it of arthur tries to help man to attacks him and then arthur lets go not because he's dropping him to kill him but dropping him because oh you hurt me and then that's you have to try and violence brings his destruction about you know yeah you use that but you also if you can try and find some way of his stubbornness gets him killed right which is kind of that inability to let go he's like they both realizing the world's crumbling around them there's an obvious doorway and uh he's like we got you know and but he just won't stop trying to kill him maybe even have you know black man to seize that his best weapon is to the right the exits to the left he goes to grab the weapon and then he gets killed for it and then it collapses as opposed to just never bye yeah and let it go which is so in my head it really sits the contradiction of like why did you show him dying by letting go and the whole point is he can't let go exactly why would he kill himself why would he keep trying to stop aquaman you know yeah he's right there i guess we're just left to conclude that he is so resistant to the idea of accepting any help from aquaman even if it is momentary and so i'm trying to kill him that he would rather die i think the way you have to do it but it doesn't translate as well i think to normal audiences is that aquaman's like come on grab my hand he's just like refuses and he's like i'll fucking save myself i'll figure this out and then we we don't see him do the fall we just leave the room sort of thing and this is like you know he stays there and all the rocks fall down just like he should be definitely dead i'm just trying to get away from the hole he let go because he couldn't let go thing it just is a big old scramble in my head yep pretty uh pretty bad but that's it for him and then they escape sorry i it's just the movie forgets about him in a big way yes black manta is not relevant at all nope no he's a vehicle for some other flimpy villain and yeah they do nothing with him they just shouldn't have bothered he was just to allow other things to happen that's the reason he was here pretty much pretty lame um but that's uh that's that everybody essentially uh reunite on an iceberg uh it's like oh yeah after junior he's okay and um a baby is freezing yeah probably it's probably yeah probably i mean it's actually he's probably very very cold oh yeah basically they just do a bunch of the normal payoffs of armhands uh drago back his trident which i don't remember him getting it but he just had it and he gives it back to whatever he picks it up somewhere i remember him i thought he gave it to him because he he wouldn't give him a gun earlier in the armory and then he gave him an axe he gave him an axe so maybe try it no he just he just picked it up during the escape i'm pretty sure i remember him picking it up and i was like why is it what was that oh it says trident okay i don't know why that's here but he brought another part that got cut out um and then also dr shin just gets let off the hook they're like yeah thanks for helping us like dude he's gonna personally killed a lot of your citizens he pressed the button he was there he worked for the villain for many months mm-hmm no it's all good it's cool you're fine it's chill just a little bit of global warming no worries mm-hmm um and also some some some ice cubes cancel the crab king got his uh claw cut off again but he's okay otherwise yeah he's like it'll take me months to grow this back oh i'm so annoyed oh hey remember when you killed all my citizens aquaman i was in indiana jones in the dial of destiny but uh we also get the we get like the final sort of actual worthwhile payoff in the film which is essentially ah that tells orm you know your debts paid which um you know like yeah i mean he did he did a lot of he did save the day um he sure did it used to be a changed man oh yeah i mean saving you know the wife and kid of aquaman i believe he would be completely cleared in his books yeah exactly and then even beyond that's like we said the world um as well yeah that on top orms are real you know he's had his little redemption arc um but they tell him like you know he should probably lay low since a lot of people still don't like you uh and then and then you get the sequel set up as well with like but might need you in future we got we got a lot of payoff now throughout the film whenever uh Arthur calls orm brother he gets uh really pissed off like he really he really doesn't like that but finally orm calls Arthur his brother and not exactly uh it's the one of the most obvious like there you go yeah okay okay it's normal but it's orm you know orm the the unsung hero well i guess he's his well sung hero of the of the film and he offers some final words of encouragement um he basically it's in you know and keeping with the whole thing of the basic payoffs he gives Arthur all of what he needs to hear which is atlanus is lucky to have you you gotta trust your instincts if you lead atlanus will follow um and then uh he repeats Arthur's earlier remark that true king builds bridges yeah he leaves and everybody celebrates their victory but he's all over the world all on his lonesome in DC's orm coming to theaters in 20s orm i would watch the orm movie i would because they they play around with this mostly for jokes but they play around the idea of he doesn't understand the surface world and then they get to it later with him on the food right and they did the cockroach thing i was like there was an idea there but um you get a glimpse of it in the final montage because that's that's what we like we see it in the final montage of uh Arthur revealing atlanus to the world like he's sending a delegation to the surface and while he gives his big speech about we gotta unite the land in the sea you get a little bit where uh where orm is like eating a burger exploring the above world learning learning about the world which feels like that could be a movie of just orm learning about this this world was super cheap nice and easy you know and the the drama would be that some horrible thing is happening and decides to intervene and then he has to hide his identity sort of thing yeah but uh that film unfortunately will never happen no it's the one we all want but you know it's okay no they finally tease a movie we want to see in the damn it in the whole cinematic universe is done actually the whole universe is over because this is it it's aquaman giving a speech like we gotta we gotta work together the land in the sea i'm aquaman whoo-hoo and then whoa mic drop cringe it's so funny as well because they're like aqua's dad's fine by the way he like yep yeah okay very happy montage of look everybody's happy everybody's doing okay the goodbye snide of it goodbye we're done see you and that's the end of the film yeah and the end of the dcu as we known it that's that's it we've done though goodbye everybody thanks for tuning can't imagine how happy they are to have gotten the last one out that was on you know the production line before then refresh their obligations are fulfilled like fucking hell so embarrassing i can't believe that this began all those years ago with what movie man of steel kind of feel was oh boy and here we are aquaman too this turned out just like we wanted i guess it's like exactly what i expected but i didn't know that i'd like ohm uh it was like an element but otherwise it was just a normal terrible surprise hit yeah it's bad very bad but everything was bad it's just a little piece here and there of like oh yeah cool and that's that's that's it for the dcu a very unceremonious uh end it was shambling along for its entire existence mainly kept alive by like a couple of shocking results here and there of like whoa that one did pretty well i think so i think that's a good one aquaman it's funny wonder woman and aquaman are kind of the reason why this shit didn't end sooner yeah if they had both flopped whatever it'd be so over at the helm if the exact snider was the one who made the movie that would be the last dc movie i'm sure it would be more received right yeah lost of the dc he was allowed to end the story no he was given a three hour time code limit and it and it was like he's allowed to have any of the characters oh my god i wonder what he'd do i mean the reality is that like doing a reset just means that you can put a lot of this stuff to rest fairly effectively because you can divorce it completely to where there's no hope of our of continuing with any threats here though it depends on whether they're doing this half and half approach of well i'm keeping some of my actors but getting rid of other ones i don't know what kind of message that necessarily sends about constantly yeah it's a bit weird yeah especially between the actors it just seems a little like oh it's not very fair is it the actors that you got to work with especially the shitty actor like gal gadot you know like that whole thing yeah no more cameos resurrects main character it's uh oh yeah that's one of them i say four oh boy where does it shit maybe that's uh maybe that's a good way to sort of wrap it up probably three uh what like number three best like third best oh i think i'm in like a number out of ten what is it sitting in terms of ranking the snide of us if we're calling it that we had a ten might still be third you never know it might be probably with another with a three that's for sure i uh yeah it's about a three um something like that uh yeah three ish i think it's like marginally better than the first film if we if we are i think so yeah i think i have to talk about specifically the warm stuff is an actual payoff honestly it actually has some stuff behind it we've kind of forgotten our listing and i'll just be patient i know it's not beating the suicide squad the suicide squad was number one and then just the sleek i think was oh god really if only you do how bad it truly was oh god the problem is that um it was like an astounding mix of basically between one and three out of ten for every single dc eu film um which is kind of funny just makes it like practically impossible to rank in any meaningful way we will somewhere that some of the you people on the internet who had a nasty thing to say about wonder woman a remember that yeah that was well it's a bad film it's really bad uh chris pine is like the main good thing about it mm-hmm i feel like this is um i i i feel like this one isn't in the lower half it's gotta be no it's definitely the upper half but it's in the upper half for sure what does that mean though not a lot not a lot it just means it has a couple of story beats that kind of check out if they weren't purpose or not might is another story but uh riddle with a lot of the same bad plot and well exactly in the film it's 90 clown movie with full of plot holes and bullshit shitty humor as you already pointed out a lot of times it's just edited to shreds like mm-hmm just people appearing out of nowhere and it's like oh now we're in the ship now why i don't know but we're somewhere else now so okay right okay right black man to bento it's just worthless could just put any other character in there that's just clownishly evil so yeah i don't know yeah that's i don't know what else to say that's it's pretty pretty bad probably ranking cuz it's it's i don't give a shit really either it's suitable to say like eh fuck it pooped out i care they all stink um so i'm just less than others what a what a disaster cinematic the suicide squad sort of sits in a special place above the rest though um wow it had the the coveted five out of ten from us didn't it i guess that's right the dcu that's impressive you'll imagine yeah it is a considerably man remember remember ratcatcher oh is that sure yeah yeah jeez oh man remember peacemaker oh so good bloodsport yep oh yeah that was that was that was a that was a decent nose yeah i like that movie um and then everything else is dramatically worse and now it's over uh well here's a question um how optimistic are any of you guys really at all for the dcu my estimation of james gun as a creative has gone down recently uh i think suit my legacy will be his last chance to recover in my view as for how good i think it'll be it's kind of up in the air i really don't know if guardians three was really good i would be a lot more optimistic yes um i would assume he's packing as much prep into this one as he can because this is the most important thing that's gonna happen in his career potentially so he's really gotta try for this one very like as i think um i think that it must succeed it has to be good it can't just be okay it has to be good and it has to make a lot of money needs to get people talking it needs to make money it needs to really establish so establish itself in the culture marvel has poised themselves in a position where they can absolutely be taken over culturally they have shot themselves too many times they're out of toes i mean the the field is open and wide for james gun to knock this out of the park i feel like if they'll do it i feel like if he's just smart he's just gonna start slow build up the characters have low stakes not don't go crazy you know just so those characters that's what they stand for they they actually care about people and that's their values and then maybe sometime in like i don't know 10 years you can have your little justice league adventure maybe don't do what dc did before just don't do that how much do you know about the film metal uh how much do you know about like the casting and and all of that uh not a lot basically nothing to be honest i know nothing there's a lot of non-superman characters in the film um okay characters were part of other parts of the world you got a uh green lantern pork girl uh mr horrific they were worried about a age of ultron problem again with this one potentially because we need to you need to really focus on superman get superman's movie out of the way first please i can't say that's advice their goal is that they want to have superman legacy be part of a dc world that's already filled with like established heroes rather than the iron man thing where as far as everybody was concerned iron man was basically the first in that world and then it all started to ramp up afterward but this case seems like that start with an established world which again you got a lot of things you got to achieve it you got to get people to like superman and lois you know that's what you got to do you got to get them to like those characters in that film it's just uh and be interested in their story when i look back on like the mcu when it started to how it was going versus this new start for the dc's next universe it's like every little problem with not taking care of your universe and every time you wreck conan be like actually these guys were here a hundred years ago these guys you're 50 these guys are here 200 years ago it's very much like i feel like you can't do that even as best as you can do it you still can't do it without fraying the edges just a bit of your overall threads like there's some fraying there now and be like can we just try to avoid that as best as possible keep everything as as strict and straight as you can because it just the attitudes uh came alongside the problems over the mcu's like those things were picked up on and complained about let's say phase one and two and then your characters being out of character crazy will building implications all the plot until the point where phase four and five it's gotten so absurd nobody can follow it anymore it's like that's where it all begins so like why over complicate i feel like you're actually gonna be so much better off if you just worked really hard and did an iron man again but for dc i think yeah yeah that's a good choice starts small and slow and start comprehensible well it's just his there's no getting around it his plan is weird like superman yeah that makes sense a batman movie with the least popular robin uh okay um interesting choice booster gold it's like wow i don't know how that is um uh the the authority yeah i know what they are okay um a prequel wonder woman like them a scurro show huh one thing was that compared to game of thrones that them a scurro one yes i did they didn't come back again i'm a fucking don't oh that's gonna be shit then yeah whatever people make that comparison i feel like yeah it's just you know it it seems like a a weird selection because to me it seems like the safe choice is superman batman wonder woman uh and not only that but really safe interpretations of each of those characters uh instead of a really yeah and then and then a super girl movie as well and it's like okay all right um risky uh oh and also that they're doing that creature commando is animated series is the first project in the dcu that's number one before superman that's the beginning and a waller and a man to waller uh like i really want more of her i mean the actress fine it's just like i don't even want to say about the characters to her whole thing is just look at how surprising it is that she's so mean yeah okay i don't know it's it's just yeah it's um it's a really kind of strange amalgamation maybe we'll find out new now that dcu was officially over maybe they'll start saying well no we do actually have a new wonder woman we do have like these new sets of characters and they can actually talk about it without compromising the films that were coming out because they've come out and failed so it's over and there's no point in even pretending that uh there's value in preserving the dcu you know you can just move on and start fresh but it's only kind of fresh and also weird set of projects i don't know i'm not sure i and then there's plus there's just the general decline of superhero like films and tv shows in terms of popularity yeah it's partially his marvel's fault you know because of the low quality uh people would be you know chomping at the bit for more superhero stuff it was consistently good or at least entertaining but now that kind of bleeds off into anyone else who wants to do superhero stuff and they kind of have that a little bit of a hump to get over though i suppose you also have the potential of people just being really hungry for good stuff because marvel's no longer delivering maybe especially when i remember there's only one mcu film next year deadpool which doesn't even you know that's kind of like feels like it's kind of its own thing in a certain sense there's three so many marvel movies though beginning with madame web and then leading it to uh venom my dream i think craven she got those in the mix and no dc projects except for the those two shows way later in the year so it's uh gonna be quite a year by comparison i guess the boys well hunts coming out this year is over it's done we're finished we did it killed it dead we did yeah they yeah they did the dcu is kill behind us it's kind of funny in that because we use dead to describe a lot of different things oftentimes it can be hyperbolic or metaphorical but this time it feels like it's like well no it's dead it's gone it's nothing else is happening it's dead uh this doesn't even got much fanfare no one cares about the story ending with aquaman of the lost kingdom it added nothing to the overall story at all it didn't care no nobody cared and if dc didn't even care why should you you know yeah it was shit i care about orm but yeah maybe maybe it's just that orm doesn't get a movie at this point they just tease you know they have him sort of like a surprise fun neat character tease that he's off gonna have his little adventures eating cheeseburgers and then the dceu ends and we can just be funny with our minds james got into the like who you're keeping like who you're keeping on just like uh orm atrick wilson that's about it just like why it is like everyone's like haha it was me um well i guess that uh wraps it up hope you enjoyed coverage of aquaman two and the lost kingdom two the second one the sequel underwater boogaloo electric boogaloo oh yeah okay okay bye and bye everybody see you later for the next dceu why would you have one bone noises