 Do you want to get stronger and do you want to feel the strength? Do you want to start to see those results happen? I think the answer is yes. Okay. You're doing too much resistance training. So you're doing two yoga classes a week. You're teaching a lot, which you're not doing the full class, but you're still moving. You're doing a lot of walking. There's a stress of studying for what you're studying for. Five days a week of strength training on top of the yoga is a lot. I would say do three full body workouts a week, literally ball. Yeah, maps and a ball would be perfect. Do the three foundational workouts a week option on there? Cause there's a two versus a three one, three foundational workouts a week, plus the two yoga and you'll see strength gains come on, especially phase one. You'll see them come on real fast, especially if you stay consistent with the trigger sessions. Yeah, you'll see them come on real fast. Amy, you're just doing a lot. You're doing a lot of exercise, training and activity. It's probably why you're plateauing. Maybe all you have to do is actually kind of scale back a little bit on the volume and focus on like a full body routine. And I think your body's going to respond. All right, today's giveaway maps and a ball at the foundational maps workout program. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to this channel. Turn on your notifications, do all those things. If we like your comment, we'll notify you. You'll get free access to maps and a ball like also we're running a sale right now. And I think there's only two days left, right? 48 hours, if I'm not mistaken, as of the dropping of this episode, we are going to be ending the maps power bundle, which is maps power lift combined with map strong retails of $300, but the sale is $79.99 and you get both. So if you're interested in that, go to mapsmarch.com. All right, here comes the rest of the show. The most valuable piece of equipment in the gym by far is the cable machine. Ooh, cable machine. Prove me wrong. Our buddy Colsky's gonna like you saying that. You know what, big cable guy. Hey, I'll tell you what right now. Okay. I know we talk about free weights versus machines. We've got that up before, but there's one machine that good trainers for emotion will use all the time and it's free motion. Might be one of them. It might be just a multi directional cable machine. I had one called a Da Vinci when I, when I had my studio, that's for sure. It's very versatile. And the reason why I like cable machines so much where you just have a pulley, right? With a cable is here's the downside of machines with machines. You have to follow the human body follows the machine's path, follows the machine's range of motion, follows the, the technique and form of the machine. But with cables, it's not the case. Cables are more like free weights than they are machines. In fact, cables, I would say are free weights if I were to label them because the cable follows your body. So whether you're short, tall, well, they're not on a track. Exactly. Yeah, they're not on a track. So I agree. It's more like free weights. But, and the one thing that makes them better, I don't think they are better, but one of the things that make them make them better than free weights is the time and attention. Yeah. I mean, with cable. There's no strength like arc, right? Yeah, there's no, it's the same weight the whole time. The entire time through, which you got to think of that with free weights. There's moments when in the movement, when, you know, very little, you're not having to hold or resist a lot of the weight. It's being rested on. Okay. So let's go, let's get into that a little bit deeper because someone might be confused, right? So we'll use a basic exercise like a curl. Let's say I'm curling a 50 pound dumbbell. Well, at the bottom, when I go from the bottom to this position here, I'm actually curling less than 50 pounds. It becomes fully 50 here when I'm directly opposing gravity from here to here. It's also less than 50 pounds with a cable. The weight is constant regardless because the gravity is affecting the weight stack, which is just going straight up and down the cable. I can move in any direction. So you get that constant tension and a drawback is a leg exercises. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. I don't think you should replace weights with cable. Well, that was my biggest critique to tonal after we did the interview with the CEO and then we have a machine. We actually have a tonal machine in our gym and you can't do heavy stuff. You've never seen any video. Well, yeah, legs just sucks. I mean, all upper upper body stuff was cool. Yeah. In fact, there was days when I was doing kind of an upper lower split and I was actually using it for a while. Um, but man, it only a couple of times of training legs on it. And I quickly abandoned it. I was like, that was terrible. What ended up happening was, uh, my shoulders and forearms and stuff got more sore than my legs did because you have to hold. Yeah. So you have to hold. So I'd max load it. So I actually was putting some decent weight for my legs, but that was so hard to hang on to that what ended up getting the most work. The only thing I've seen that has decent, uh, leg activity is if you could get up like on a platform and then you could run it underneath and have a belt. So you do like a belt loaded. There you go. Uh, with, with the cable. So it's pulling you down and, and it's, it's driving the hips down with you. But, which is a very sophisticated machine, a whole new machine at that point. So what are we talking about? Yeah. But I mean, there's, there are, what I would consider fundamental exercises that you can't necessarily do very well with free weights that you would need cables or a secondary option would be bands. For example, rotational exercises with, with rotational resistance. There's some stuff you can do with free weights that, you know, we'll give you some of that, but that direct, you know, opposing resistance. You know, when I'm rotating cables are perfect for that. Right. You know, exercises where you're pushing down, right? You can't really do that with free weights because gravity is doesn't work that way, right? But you could do that with cable exercises. And then what you said, Adam, the constant tension, I love, I love that you can push pull and it's, it's a natural, yeah. Like, um, because the body naturally rotates anyways. And it's something that you don't, you can't really pull that off with any other type of machine or free weights very effectively. So I, I tended to, and I would train with my clients a lot of times just to get them to learn control and be able to operate and move and push and pull and also stabilize their hips so they don't rotate. Yes. And there's also this belief that you can't do explosive movements on cables. Now, bands, you can, everybody knows that you can do lots of great explosive movements with bands, but people like, you can't do that with cables because the weight stack flops all over the place. Well, I figured out a way around this. What I used to do with the weight stack is I would attach bands to the weight stack. So the top of the weight stack down to the bottom, that way when I did a quick rotation, the weight stack wouldn't flop and create slack in the cable. The, the bands actually kept everything taught and I was able to do really good explosive movements with the cables. So just overall, just a great piece. Well, they also allow you to do very unique angles, right? So, and totally, if you were obviously of a bulk of your training is centered around the core lifts that we always talk about, then this is a, this is a fun area to explore, which is doing these really unique, you know, elbow position tricep kickbacks or extensions and that you just can't do with free weights. And there's no machines that are built that way. And, you know, there, I would never recommend that to somebody who wasn't doing the core lifts to be messing with, you know, flared out elbow, you know, tricep extensions and doing some weird position, but there is value in that because it will, it will be novel. It'd be different. Your body's not used to training in that plane of motion for that muscle or whatever. And so I do find value in that for the experienced lifter to, to manipulate that and cables provide that stimulus that you can't get from a machine or from free weights. 95% of my workouts over the last 15 years and the other 5% by the way is when I would visit gyms or go on travel and stuff. But 95% of my workouts, I used no machines except for cable. It would be cable, barbells, dumbbells, and that's it. And that's how I've worked out for the last 15 years. And not only have I not missed anything, I've gotten phenomenal results, but cables have always been a piece of it. When I had my studio, we didn't have any machines except for what I said, the DaVinci machine, which had like all these pulleys on either side. So you had all these different directions. It was kind of like a free motion, but it was a little bit more complex and kind of bigger setup. And even here in the studio, that's it. That's what I use. And that's all I ever train people on. And we got phenomenal results that way. Now I know that free weights and at home training is supposed to make you racist. Is that the same thing with cables? Is that does cables make you more or less racist? Where are you reading this? Oh, tell me you saw the article. Dude, I did. Unfortunately, I did. OK, tell me I didn't call this. Tell me I did not call this. OK, so here's what happened, a little timeline. And I saw this happening little by little. So first it started with the healthy at every size movement, which started with good intentions, but really started to get distorted. We talked about this on the show. And I saw a little bit of this and that. And I was like, oh, wait a minute. Fitness oppressive. They're calling building muscle toxic. And I'm like, this sounds like political speak. So what's going on here? Then the pandemic happened. And gyms were the first and last place to shut down. Last place is to open. So they shut down gyms. They obviously were told a lot of things, what we need to do for our health and this and that. And the loudest voices that questioned the narrative came from the fitness space, which made sense. We did a whole episode on this. And it made sense to me because health and fitness people take our own health into our own hands. We're very responsible with it. So we're the last people to just take advice and just do something. We'll always question. It doesn't mean we're going to make a bad decision, but we're not going to, if a doctor tells me, take this, this, and this, I'm a health and fitness person, I'm going to go do research and kind of like question it a little bit before I just blindly follow or whatever. So that started happening. And you saw a lot of fitness people pushing back. And I said, oh, we're going to be targeted. And then studies came out showing that people who are fit and strong are less likely to support certain government actions and whatever. And I'm like, this is going to happen 100%. They're going to attack the fitness and health space. They want you weak and dependent. It is happening. So this article talks about how far, and by the way, far right, extremist, Nazi, those are great terms that they use for anything they don't like. So you don't have to be that. You just throw it at you if they don't like you. Why can't they be in Tifa? Yeah, well, I don't know, have you seen the pictures of some of these? I don't think they love this. I've just said they're out there. No, but this article talks about how far right, extremist groups are going into these online fitness communities and plucking people as part of their, basically it's like breeding grounds for this. Which, I mean, is this happening online and the billions of people? I'm sure it is. I would bet you my house that breeding grounds for people to be manipulated into some scary ideology is greater in forums with people who have no direction, who feel listless with no meaning, depressed, anxious, not fitness community people. So I would argue the opposite and say it's a harder place to get people to turn them into this kind of, you know, evil ideology. Nonetheless, they're saying, oh, that's what's happening. Then there's articles that I should pull up some of these articles that these titles. I feel like people are getting paid to just write outlandish titles. Well, anytime he sends now anything to me, I ask him that right away. Yeah. It's like, okay, is this like one person tweeting it and is it, or are they just trying to get attention? It reminds me of like these two academics who were writing papers to get published. They were faking. About dogs, like showing toxic masculinity by like, you know, raping other dogs at the dog park or something. It was like so absurd and it got approved and was published. Peer review, they made it up. That's a true story. It's just like, we're just living in such an absurd time where some of these things make it to publication and you're just like, why? Let me read you two other titles of articles. Okay, here's one. Do you boast about your fitness? Watch out, you'll unavoidably become right wing. And it says, I'm not sure what exercise does for your body but I do know what it does to your personality and it's not pretty, okay? Here's another one. Other people that are left wing feel about, you know, they're trying to just improve their fitness or like, oh no, oh no, I can't. Here's another one. I don't wanna be associated. The dark side of wellness, the overlap between spiritual thinking and far right conspiracies. This is so insane to me. I wish that I was still in gyms right now so I could experience like the member who comes up and says, yeah, I'd like to cancel this membership. Oh, what's wrong, sir? Is it not working out for you anymore? Yeah, no, I'm concerned. I'm gonna become a racist if I continue. I'm just like so conservative. I just did a bunch of curls and yeah, I feel like I'm gonna like get a truck now. For some reason, I really like Trump all of a sudden. I don't know what's going on. Like, no, I'm concerned I need to leave. No, here's the deal. Can we shut? Here's the deal. This is my opinion. Okay, I'm gonna give you my opinion but I believe it to be true. If you are fit and healthy or at least if you take those into your own hands and you prioritize them, it's a feeling of empowerment. Talk to anybody who's ever made fitness and health a priority, anybody who's ever gone down that road and they'll tell you it's very empowering. Now you don't have to be ripped. You don't have to have super high performance or do anything like that. You just be an average person that just does these things for themselves. It's a self personal growth vehicle. It makes you feel empowered. You are less likely to be manipulated. You are less likely to be controlled because you feel more empowered. When you feel weak, when you feel sick, when you feel confused, when you feel like you don't have any power over your life, you are prime for the plucking. You are a prime person for a political agenda to pick you and to manipulate you into scared to be liberated. You just don't anywhere people gather anymore. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Churches, like grocery store, like anywhere people actually like interact with each other. It's like, let's create some kind of crazy ass idea to divide people. I've heard them say building muscle is toxic masculinity. I've heard just the craziest shit ever. And anybody who could look at, look at the studies on inmates. These are male inmates, men who committed terrible crimes. Look at the benefits they get psychologically from lifting weights. This is a huge mistake. California eliminated, got rid of gyms out of prisons because they don't want inmates to get big and strong. Terrible. You had more depression, more substance abuse, more problems. This is a fact. So this is it. By the way, they are barking up the wrong tree. The last place on earth that's gonna fall to this is the fitness space. I'm gonna tell you right now. You could try all you want, but the people in the fitness space, we experienced this ourselves and most of us entered into it through insecurities in our own challenges and troubles. And it helped us along the way. So good fucking luck. So what I said in my post was you can kiss my muscular glutes all these people who want to do that. Kiss my muscular glutes. I know, you got me to go off to you. I'll sell it though. Well, since you're going off on that, the other article, I don't know if you saw it. I shared it in the group thread. I don't know if you had time to read it or not, but was it just a couple of days ago, FDA approved GMO cows? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. What? That's so cool. So now we have pigs, cows, and then there's, I think there's salmon was one of them. Yes. So what the cows, what they did is they modified them so that they have this, this coat that protects them during the winter better. So in, so in their embryo, they're basically crisper technology. Yeah. And then they'll breathe them to have these sticker coats. Wow. I, I'm not worried about the food, the meat from the cows. I think it's probably fine. It's not going to do anything. But as soon as you GMO something is patented now. Yes. Yeah. It is now a patented product. Isn't it also interesting though, because wasn't there some genetic traits that if you alter it, it's like you have a byproduct of that that's like unforeseen right away? Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, I mean, they're pretty well tested and all that stuff. I'm not going to go down necessarily that route. I mean, I'm not talking trash, because I mean, it, I was definitely enlightened when we had Zach. Yes. On from, yeah, zibotics. And he was kind of breaking that down. I'm less worried about the, like, Like is it, is it dangerous? The chemicals and the like, it's more that you're giving this control to patent like you're saying. You know, so if you open that door for them cows to be patented now, like what's, so whoever figures out this way to modify them to have the richest, best meat can patent and then now they own the rights of that cow that I mean. Yep. Now, and, and that's, look in the issue with that, with the whole patent to me, if you look at, Like imagine if filet mignon's was owned by a company. Yeah. Like you could only get a filet mignon from this company because they have the. Fulet mignin, that's what I said. Is that? No, no, it's not. I said it wrong. I actually got you to think about it. I did. I never know. I look at where Doug's face, Doug's always got it. It is spelled that way. Maybe that's filet mignin. No, it, I don't like the whole, I don't like that. Okay, so here's the deal. I don't care. Do this. So long is they don't pull the, the switcheroo that they did with GMOs with plants. What they did with plants was, they created GMO plants, which by the way, GMO plants themselves, nothing wrong with them. The shit that they spray all over them, that's probably the issue. That's what they found. Yeah. They stopped, they don't label them. So if you buy corn and it's GMO or corn that's not GMO, you don't know. So if they sell the beef and it says on their GMO beef and the consumers informed, I'm fine. If they pull the trick on us where you don't know where your beef is coming from, is it GMO? Is it non-GMO? What's the deal? That's when I'll have a bit of an issue and let the consumers decide what the deal is. I am so not super conspiratorial but why is Bill Gates like buying all the farms up? I've read about that, is that real? Why? Is that true? I heard that too. Why is he getting in the vaccine business and then why now is he meddling with our food? Well, what's the prevailing theory right now? Why? Don't go hard, Justin. Yeah, there's gotta be some- Don't shrug your shoulders, Bill. There's gotta be some 10 to 12 ideas. You know, like you're mentioning, right? Being able to patent food. Even Rob Wolf we had was talking about how corporations are starting to think in that direction of really cornering the market. And I would assume that this would, and his objective is to get people to eat plant-based type meats or be able to create cruelty-free meats or whatever. And so it's like, are you just trying to acquire all the farms so that way we don't have that as an option anymore? And lower the- Interesting. You know, I don't know. Again, this is all speculative but I'm like, why Bill Gates? Like go back to making computer chips. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, get back to putting computer chips on our vaccine. I freaked out over the weekend because I had a fake chicken nugget. I didn't even know that I was so fucking- What do you mean? Yeah. What do you mean fake? I was at my mother-in-law's house and before dinner she had brought it. Like she knows her son-in-law gets hungry all the time and like she's like waiting two hours to eat is too much for me. So she always has like little snacks or chips or dips, things for me to snack on. And she had this little dish of like meats. I'm like, awesome. And I'm like, eating them down with them. This is really good. Where is this? She goes, that's not even chicken. Oh, you got tricked, bro. Yeah, what? She goes now. Yeah. And she goes, no, it's vegan. I'm like, oh, this is so mad. Dude, I'm so mad. You got to shield that with my- Never again. Oh, I did. It was actually pretty good. Dude, I was really surprised. It actually tasted good. They engineered the shit. They do. That's why it was- Bro, I thought I was eating chicken. I really did. I had no idea. It wasn't. I mean, it looked like it. The texture was like it. It tasted like it. You remember the Matrix, so that was the problem. Everything tasted like chicken. Yeah. But it doesn't. It was the easiest to engineer. And I wondered if that's true, because I haven't had a lot of fake meats before. I think that actually might have been my first experience of having fake meat. Is that what it is? Is it that chicken is the easiest and does that- I have no idea, yeah. I don't know. Have you guys, Doug, have you had any fake meat? I've had the beef. And? I didn't like it, personally. It didn't taste like real beef to me. Now, did you go in with an open mind or did you go in bias already? I was kind of biased, but I did shut that off for a moment while I ate it and said, okay, does this really taste like beef? Now, was it palatable? I mean, it was palatable. So I went to somebody's house, same thing happened to me. I had no ideas and they go, oh, I don't know if it was impossible, or one of the two or three that are out there. I go, oh, great. But I'd be polite. I'm gonna try it. It probably won't kill me. And so I ate it. But I did not say, oh, this tastes like beef to me. Yeah, I went in completely unbiased because I had no idea. And so, I was fooled. I really was. They're going, we're not that far in our lifetime. I'll have to try it. In our lifetime, there's gonna be companies that are gonna sell meat that they've grown a lap. It's not gonna be enough. Well, that's what made, so that why I brought it up is that we're going this way in the GMO conversation. And I mean, it's only a matter of time before you're right. And the fact that it fooled someone like me, just makes me realize like, oh, wow, this is definitely gonna happen, you know? So I was so annoyed, but it doesn't. Just meat in a box? They can be anything. I was like spitting it out. Like, just eat in a box? Like when you trick your kid and eat something healthy? You know, I put spinach in those pancakes. Oh, I don't like it now, Jack. Hey, speaking of processed stuff. So you guys want to know what I drank this morning? I've never had one of these before, but I had a bing. Bing, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I did, bro. So I went to the gas station. I was just like, where did you even get that? Out of all of us? I was like, yeah, you're totally the banger. So it's because you're the total banger. You look like a banger. Yeah, so no, I don't, I don't have, I don't have bang shades, I'm a banger. No, so I went to the gas station, got gas, went inside, and I needed something to pre-workout, and I left my pulse here. So I usually will do Legion pulse pre-workout if I do a pre-workout. But it was, I was by my house, and I wanted it, I had a timeframe. Like, well, it's gotta kick in kind of somewhat when I get there. By the time I get there, it's really late to take a pre-workout. So I'm like, I'll just go in the gas station and see what they have. And I saw bang and rock star and hot stuff, and bang had the most caffeine. It's got a lot of caffeine. Was it like 700? No, 300, Jesus Christ. 300 is high. It's over 200 is high. That was called boom. I was just throwing up. Boom, yeah, you're done. So I saw, hey, the flavors, hey, the flavors are fucking hilarious, right? So it's like, it's like unicorn sparkle or some shit like that. So I got it, right? And that's the one you picked. That's the one I got. Forget getting the basic fruit punch or like green apple. It's like, I want the unicorn crystals. Yeah, bro. We've seen their setup at fitness conventions. Awesome. Oh, there's like platforms or stripper poles. You got fly girls, dude. Bro, it's everything wrong with the fitness industry. Wrapped into one company. Throwed it out, isn't it? No, they double troll. Well, doesn't the CEO guy look, he's kind of like a wild bird with a corvette. Pull him up, Doug. Let me see what he looks like. He looks like he has hair plugs. Yeah, if you had to, if you had to like think, what would the bang CEO look like? That's what he looks like. The guy's actually hairy. So what's his history? Do you know what he did before? Like what? You guys don't know? Because I know he's quite the character, right? He looks pretty wild. He looks wild. He looks like the guy in the car. First we're gonna double triple down on the half naked chicks and tube tops. Then we'll figure out the formulation. Yeah, what's his name, Doug? It's Jack O'Walk. Okay, Jack O'Walk. Do a little homework Doug on what he did before. Like, how did he get to that position? Yeah. I made an energy drink to bang. Yeah. Hey, welcome to party. I want to bang my heart. That bowl got cocaine. We got ketamine over here. Come on in. No, I, so I had, but here's what I was gonna say. So I think that's- Like adult films or something? I think that's the film, the flavor that I had. What's that flavor there in the middle, Doug? Marshmallow. I'm, ooh. So I'm not gonna lie. The candy-like flavor-ish stuff that does attract me. You know what I mean? Because I am a child with that kind of stuff. I'm not gonna lie. So anyway, here's what I was gonna say. You're the kid that totally got, you're the kid that got totally got in the minivan, you know what I'm saying? What? You're the kid who totally came in the minivan for the- Oh, the free candy man? No idea, bro. I didn't fall for that shit. I had to trick. Not again. It's unicorn marshmallow pee. You're not gonna get me three times in the same week? No, sirree. Yes. Twice. That's where I throw the line. Shame on you. The lollipop is not that good. All right, anyway, so listen. So what I was gonna say is this, is I had it worked out. And I tell you what, the other ingredients and pre-workouts do make a difference. Cause I had the same amount of caffeine, 300 milligrams, and now it says in it that it has certain things in there, but I mean, it's a can of bang, I'm sure it's whatever. It wasn't the same as Pulse. Definitely wasn't the same. Okay, I was gonna ask you that because I've actually done that. Intentionally, I've like gone back and forth and used like energy drinks as a pre-workout. And although I do like energy drinks, I drink them quite frequently. I mean, it's definitely better than nothing. Yeah, and I like them more like how I would have a cup of coffee, but if it's not like in the morning, it's in the afternoon, I have one. So that's something that I might do. But I do notice they're not the same as it. If I wanna be amped for a pre-workout, to me is totally different. I get better pump with Pulse. I get better connectivity. It feels different. It feels more like a pre-workout versus like just caffeine. So that was the thing I was gonna say is I noticed a difference. Even though caffeine was the same, Pulse obviously has the beta-alanine, the betine, the citrulline, the other compounds in there that help with performance. So I could tell, I could tell the difference. Yeah, I was just talking to one of the kids at the workouts this morning and he was talking about pre-workouts but like something else like the supplement that he was on, I hadn't heard of it. It was like, not NAC, but it was something like that. Like some kind of like N-A-something. I didn't know if like- N-A-D? Maybe. Okay, yeah. I don't know, you're looking at me and just throwing stuff. Yeah, because you know this like random C-B-S, you know, some of that stuff. It's like a fedra, but it's like, or a fedrin, but yeah, fedra. But yeah, it's, I don't know exactly what that supplement was. I thought it was a new product that came out. I'm like, Sal probably knows exactly what this is. I don't know, I don't know. I have no idea. I'm like, stop doing this because you know, they may be testing. This may show. Well, dude, there was a while there where, I don't remember what pre-workout was out there, but they were, they had a compound in there that was a precursor to meth. That was true. What's it called? One, three, something, something. Maybe Doug could look it up. The company got in trouble for it and everybody's pissed off. And you could buy bottles of the stuff on eBay. I think people bought it and stored it. So it's like a legal pre-workout trade, you know, or whatever that's going on. But apparently, you know, it was a good time. I mean, back in the day, what is it, Doug? Craze. Oh, that was what was in the, what was the ingredient in there that got banned? Let me see if I can find it. Meth-like substance, it's called. I don't know what it is. If I'm gonna lie to you, 20-year-old me, if I heard you say that. Of course. If I heard you say, meth-like substance, I'd be like, I'm gonna try it. Why do you think they marketed all the pro hormones like steroids? I mean, that's what I'd do. And they were steroids, those assholes. I was like, this works great. No, but yeah, I know it got banned for that because of some of the side effects people were getting. But anyway, when we were younger, I'm not gonna, I can't speak too much. I was a federa all the time. I'd throw that on everything. Lots of people were. And had a really good time. Can you even get ahold of a federa on anything anymore? You can. You can? Yeah, so Sudafed. Sudafed is chemical a federa. So you can't even buy two. You can't even lock it up. Yeah, you can't even buy two boxes of Sudafed without getting frisked. I know, I feel like a jerk. It used to be in many things. You could get it at like truck stops. And it was like some of the guys before football games would take it and just almost be like foaming at the mouth. But the dose of a federa in Sudafed is very minimal. Like the old speed stacks would be 25 milligrams. 25 milligrams of a federa alkaloids, which if you took a dose, a decent dose of Sudafed, that's what you're gonna get something close to that. No. No way. You think that there's 25 milligrams of a federa in one pill of Sudafed? Doug, maybe look up Sudafed. Maybe you're right. It's Sudafedrin. So it's the same thing. It's just one's a chemical form. A federa was the herbal form. So let's look up the dose of Sudafedrin in a regular dose of Sudafed. The reason why I can't imagine that is I mean, I was just sick not that long ago Sudafed is kind of like the go-to, you know, what should we call it? Drive. Yeah. And I would think that if I took 25 milligrams of a federa I would be up. Yeah. Like it would keep me wide awake. It didn't stimulate me like that. Maybe I'm thinking of the 24 hour time released one because you could buy Sudafed, that's 24 hours. And then I think it does have that. The one I had is either the 12 or the 24. I don't remember which one it is. What does it say there Doug? I don't think it's 25 milligrams, Sal. Yeah, I'm trying to get this. So Sudafedrin is spelled with a PS, I'm saying. Yeah, just look up Sudafed. You just type in Sudafed, look at the back and the ingredients it'll tell you. Okay, yeah, let me do that then. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, so it's the same chemical. It's just not herbal form, but maybe it's the time release one. Cause if you take the time release one you're not getting hit with all 25 milligrams at once. It like releases it slowly. You know, I always thought it was interesting that like that they'd make you, you know you can only buy one box and you get carted now because if people would take the Sudafed they crush it up and then they basically turn it into meth. Yeah, they basically turn it into meth. I would think that's a really expensive way to make meth. Like Sudafed is not cheap. Yeah, but the resale, the margins on meth are probably amazing. Done that way? I mean, how else? Obviously. Well, I mean, you like one little box of Sudafed. Stop trying to do the math, Adam. I was, Adam's like doing the, he's like a business guy. One of the other ingredients like in this big vat that we're creating crystals with, right? Yeah. Yeah, you know, I don't, that's why I don't know how much, how much is a box of Sudafed? Maybe we'll go with that next step. How much is a box of, how much meth? How much meth is a box of Sudafed? Isn't it like, I remember seeing some picture where it showed all the different ingredients that like went into like making meth. And it was like all these like horrifically toxic chemicals. Chemicals like, you know, from like paint thinner to like all these different household items that you can make it with. So the active ingredient is phenolephrine HCl, 10 milligrams. In the Sudafed. According to the label. There's got to be another form of Sudafed because I know it's Sudafedrin is what's in there. Yeah, I don't know. But I, so I've looked and that's why, I mean, I didn't think Doug was going to find it because I've always been curious about that. Like, okay, if that's got a Fedra in it, what dose per pill, and I've never been able to get to the bottom of it to find out how much is in there. And I don't think it's 25 milligrams cell because the way you, I mean, I know how I fell off a 25 milligrams of a Fedra. I mean, it's like taking six cups of coffee. So it doesn't feel like- It's definitely a good time. Yeah. Okay, here we go. I found it Doug in two seconds. So 24 tablets, 30 milligrams each. So it's a- Each? 30 milligrams of Sudafedrin. Yeah. Now, I don't know. Let me see if this is a, if you take this one every four hours or if you take it- Well, even if it was a- Yeah, every four to six hours. Yep, there you go. So there's 30 milligrams of a Fedra in a single- Sudafedrin in the Sudafed, yeah. Sudafed congestion. That's the one. So I wonder if I were to take two of them and crush them up and then take it and then take it, would I get like a crazy, that's a 60 milligrams of a Fedra? You know, if you took, if you just took the regular one, I think you'd be fine, dude. Yeah, you could buy, you can even buy like a generic version. Now this, and what I'm seeing is a 24 hour one has 240 milligrams. Yes, spread out. Sudafedrin HDL. Now, here's a deal. I'm not a hundred percent clear if it's a one to one ratio. In other words, a Fedra alkaloids and a Sudafedra. It can't be so. A hundred and something, because if someone did chew that or crush that up and took 120, would you say Doug? A hundred and what? 120, I believe. 120 milligrams of actual Fedra in one hit. Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second. Hold on a second. That's 240 milligrams. Wait a minute, hold on a second. I guarantee you back in the day, you never took a Fedra by itself. It always came. With caffeine and other things. 200 milligrams, he was the dose. It was 200 mix of caffeine. I've done the little white pills of just pure Fedra. And you didn't throw caffeine on top of it? And the most I've ever ran is like 50 milligrams. 50 milligrams of that stuff. And I was like zipping. Oh, okay. So that's weird. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so the difference between a Fedrin and Sudafedrin. I just found an article. The main difference between a Fedrin and Sudafedrin is that a Fedrin is a simple, sympathetic alkaloid derived from a plant while Sudafedrin is an isomer of a Fedrin with simple, sympathetic activity. I can't say it right. So I guess one is a little stronger than the other. So. Obviously. Yeah, so I think you might be, I think the straight Fedra alkaloids might be a little bit stronger. It have to be. I mean, or else you would take one of those 24 hour Sudafeds and the first person to ever accidentally crunch it or break it down so the whole time release goes out the window and you get 240 milligrams. You're right. A Fedrin is a more potent CNS stimulator. You would be flying. Yeah, and then you used to buy it as an herbal supplement. Mahuang was the name of it. Mahuang. Check out Mahuang. M-A-H-U-A-N-G. Now, is it used in other... Chinese medicine. It's been used for a long time. The Mahuang thing, but not a Fedra. Or is it the same thing? Oh yeah, same thing. So that's what's in there. So it's got a Fedra alkaloids in there. So what does Chinese medicine use it for? Like what are the... Bronchodilator, asthma, bronchitis. Because if you take it... Yeah, dude. So I was an asthmatic growing up. And as I grew up, I grew out of it, right? So does Western medicine still use it then for cases like that? Used to. Used to back in the day. So before we got really good asthma medications like Albuterol, which is just a miracle drug of Western medicine, for asthma at least. They used to use, they would use caffeine or a Fedra. So my sister's father-in-law, right? So he's, I think he's 70 or whatever. He, as a kid, had asthma. And back then they hadn't invented Albuterol yet. So what he used to do, the doctor would tell his mom, make him a big cup of coffee every morning. So as a kid, he would smash a big-ass cup of coffee. Really? Yeah, dude. Because it keeps your lungs open. It's a bronchodilator. It's a stimulant. And it would prevent him from having so many asthmatics. But yeah, dude. You ever use, oh, and see, none of you guys had asthma growing up, huh? No. But I use Clint Buterol, which is probably one of the scariest, craziest drugs that I've ever used. I remember I accidentally took a higher, I read the dosage thing wrong on it one time. And I really, I had like maybe double of what the recommended dose was, but bull. I mean, it felt like my heart was pounding out of my chest. Yeah, they were giving that to cattle to keep them lean and they built muscle on. It's interesting how it affects cattle. I lost body fat so fast it was crazy. It's like a commercial for Clint Buterol. Don't do it, Clint Buterol. No, I'm not, no. I'm telling you, it scared the shit out of me. It was definitely, I mean, I didn't mess with it after that because it was so scary. I thought I was having a heart attack. Well, they banned it because it built up in the meat of the cattle and then people would eat beef and get Clint Buterol poisoning. Oh, wow. So they banned it in most countries. You can't give cattle. So what it would say again, why were they using it for the cows? It would lean them out and bulk them up. It's actually a muscle builder in cows. In humans, it doesn't really work that way. Now that's strange to me because I feel like they'll be counterproductive for a fatty cow that you would want. You want them to build, you just want them to gain weight in mass, right? So they would give it to cows and make them. But then I would think you would give them a testosterone, then, you know, give them- Oh, they would do all of that shit. You'd give them hormones. Well, I know that. Yeah, definitely you see people do that with. I mean, that's how we have, you know, chickens that look like this now. You ever seen a picture of a chicken from the 1950s versus a chicken now? Yeah, it's crazy. They don't look- They were like little birds. Yeah. They were like little birds before and now they're all like- Big-ass pecs now, they look crazy. Justin, I got an article for you. Okay. I found this article on sciencedaily.com, which people always ask me where to get articles. Great place. So this was a study done back in November of 2021. Here's the summary. Government action is needed so driverless vehicles can be insured against malicious hacks, which could have potentially catastrophic consequences. Insured, a study says. So they basically did a study and these experts went in to study and said, oh, all these self-driving cars and technology very possible and easily can be hacked. Yeah, no shit. So you'd be driving that or you could be in it. It's driving and someone would hack it and crash it. So why is that different than planes and what technology do we use to keep that from happening with planes then? Because planes are pretty much all flying themselves. I mean, they're very little of the pilot is flying that plane. It's not the same though, right? I don't think it's- It's all computerized so it could be hacked. Yeah, it can, but I think that it's- It's a sort of a closed system. Yeah, I don't think it's getting communication from constant, from satellites and from the internet. I think with cars, it's gonna be a little bit different. I mean, you would think we would use that same technology then to build that for cars then. Why would we not protect the- I'm sure that the point of the article basically is like, we need to really focus on this because this could be a big issue. You could have a bunch of self-driving cars get hacked by one person, cause mayhem. That's it. The issue is if you don't have control, somebody can remotely just have access to your car just like your computer. I don't know if anybody's seen that happen before but somebody just takes over your computer all of a sudden and it's just a logical step to then think as somebody that may have access and control of your car could just drive it into a tree. There's no way that they're not gonna give the power and control to police forces when that time comes. When we get to a point where everybody's driving some electric- Oh yeah, I'm gonna pull you over. Did you imagine that? And they're gonna make a good case for it. It'll keep from high-speed runaways that kill X amount of people per year and percentage. It'll completely eliminate that and they will find a way to campaign and pitch that on us as a good idea. And then now you'll have- Hey, how clean would that be? You're driving and all of a sudden your lights turn on and it's like, you're being pulled over and your car's slowed down. What was it double-edged? That was a Stallone and- Judge Dredd? Yeah, was it Judge Dredd? Is that the, he's a cop in the future with Wesley Snipes? Oh no, Demolition Man. Demolition Man, that's where it happens. That was a Demolition Man like that. Literally like you're being pulled over. Yeah, that would be crazy. I did very well could happen. You know what's funny? In Demolition Man, I believe there was the two-story Taco Bell too. There was. It wasn't there? It was like a fancy food restaurant in the future. They couldn't say any bad. You know what was cool in that movie that I thought was kind of brilliant? His hair? No, when he, what, no, not his hair. It's the first thing I thought of. Remember when he crashed and the car filled up with foam? Yeah, yeah. Like hella fast and then he got out and he was perfectly, I feel like a cannoli or whatever, but I thought that was kind of cool. Well, I mean, it's kind of similar to what we have with airbags now. I mean, most cars now have airbags in like side, front, back, or- Have you ever seen that they have airbag jackets that they're experimenting with for motorcycles? Have you seen these? No, no way. So you're riding your motorcycle, you crash it and turn it into a balloon? Fucking A, dude. Shut up. I wanna see this bounce down. That's the only thing I'm scared of. It just bounced down the hill. Yeah, yeah. Please pull this up. I wanna see this. No, it was like a big airbag, like jacket or whatever that inflates and then you're okay. I mean, I thought that was kind of cool. It's really cool. Matt, you do it just like you would, like, wave runners or treadmills where you attach the key. And if you get- What if you forget to get off? Hey, honey. I'm sure that would happen, you know? It's a bunch of tribes should figure that out. I'm surprised, yeah, they haven't been cracking down on motorcycles just in terms of, like if we're going into the future where everybody's like, we're trying to get into automated cars, you know? Keep everybody safe. Yeah, that's like a total wild car. No, you know what I did? All right, I've told my son- They can't. Not with gas prices. Yeah, I know. They gotta let you. Oh, there it is. There's one of them right there. So just, that's not really that exciting. Yeah, it's just a little bit puffy. That's all you got first, Dougie? Something cool or not? Oh, well, there you go. That one gets a little bigger. Okay. That's kind of cool. I'm disappointing you guys on my searches. Yeah, you're just slipping this week, Doug. I know what's going on with you. I had this conversation with my son. We were driving and we were talking about car speed and this and that. So you know a lot of cars have a speed limiter. It prevents the car from going past a certain speed. And he goes, why wouldn't they just put a speed limiter on cars that doesn't let you go over the speed limit? Like the top speed limit, which is like 65 miles an hour. Because they want the ticket, son. I told him like, dude, if they really wanted- You want business around it. If they really wanted us to not speed or whatever, that car manufacturer would be 100%. You just wouldn't be able to go faster than a certain speed. No, it's bullshit. So motorcycles, come on. You want to maintain the illusion of freedom. Yeah. Yeah, dude, I'm doing awesome right now. Oh, hey, speaking of tech, new tech, Adam, you were talking about the new product from Chile. Oh yeah. So I saw, I didn't realize that our buddy, Kelly Starrett, was actually sponsored or working with Chile. And he popped up, they actually used him for like a paid ad. And so obviously, because I'm connected to Chile, I get hit with those things. And he pops up and I'm like, and he was promoting a new model, like called the Dock Pro or something. I mean, how did I not know about this? I looked it up and it's supposed to like cool, like two times faster. You can have it like freezing cold and run it to hot right away. And it gets heated up really quick. I forget what's supposed to do. It just works really fast. It doesn't have all the tubes, like the one through the center still has those. No, no, I think it does. What I saw, it looks like, it just looks like a different motor unit, right? So we have like your ruler, I don't know if you guys have the rulers or Chile's, I have the ruler, right? And you know, it's about this big. It looks like it's a little bit bigger, but like flatter maybe, which I like because it'll fit on my bed better then. But it's like a supercharged, you know? So basically it's like- So cool to bed, boom. Yeah, wait. I heard it's quieter too. Oh, and quieter. So what am I not, but I don't mind the noise. It's white noise. So I kind of like the noise. So I mean, but I like on the ruler, you have the option to, there's like three levels of noise. You can go like the medium, high or low or whatever it that. So I like it. I like the white noise. Yeah, white noise is actually good for sleep. Yeah, so that doesn't bother me. So it being, but some people I know don't like any sound. Katrina doesn't like very much sound. So I'm sure that's better, but no, it looks really cool. What does it say on there Doug? I guess it cools faster. It says it cools twice as fast. It's quieter. Well, and why I liked that because the first challenge I had when we first started working with them and I was testing out, at first I was like, oh man, this thing doesn't work as well as I thought it would work. But the problem was I was getting into bed and then turning it on. Oh, and then your body heat makes it. My body heat was, it was so it's constantly working. So I imagine this might still work then because it's so powerful that it might, that was one of the knocks I had on the original model was I would, once I've, you know, set a timer, you just set a timer for two hours before you get in bed. Get in, it's there. Then it's set at the perfect temperature that you want versus get in, especially if you're somebody who runs hot and then you're trying to get it as cold as possible. If it felt like it was working all night to try to get there. I think that honestly, I'm just not exaggeration. I think that they're the dual one that they have, or one is, can be hot, one is cold. I think it's probably prevented. Divorces. Countless divorces. I mean, because one of the biggest arguments you'll ever have, look, if you're watching this and you're a guy or girl and you've never been married and you're gonna get married, I'm gonna tell you right now, you're gonna argue over the temperature of your bedroom when you go to sleep. Because inevitably one of you wants it colder, one of you wants it hotter. Or you may be doing activities, gets you all hot. Or whatever. I feel like that if it was a cool off. Family feud title, where you like the top five things that couples argue over. Thermostat has to be number one. What is higher than finances? Okay, money can be up there for sure. I think thermostat. If I had to take a vote, I would say thermostat. Thermostat for sure. And then, you know, you know. Especially with finances, someone in the relationship is more fiscally responsible and they tend to lead, you know, and that's, but with temperature, it's like, if you like it hot, I like it cold. Like there's no. Me and my wife couldn't be more opposite. We go to bed. She wears a robe, and then she's under the covers. And she's like. She's like. That's Katrina. And I'm in my freaking speedo. That's too blank. It's over under her. I'm like, get this off. Oh yeah. I'm like out, dude. Leg's out. And I'm like, oh God, I'm so hot. So it, we couldn't be more different. So it's a, it's a definitely a game changer. Yeah, I agree. Hey, one of the favorite places or companies I work with is Live on Lab. So they make nutrient products like liposomal glutathione, vitamin C, their B complex, C-to-L carnitine, great products, but in the delivery system that was designed by pharmaceutical companies to make sure you get what is in the packet. 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Keith, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, just wanted to, I'm gonna go ahead and get to it real quick. I just, first of all, thank you for everything that y'all have done. Just, it's so much information to digest. So I'll kind of get right into it here. I'll be 52 at the end of this month. About three or four years ago, I was diagnosed with low testosterone like many males my age. And I started taking testosterone injections. Won't go into the amounts and all that stuff. That's not really why I'm calling. So, but I'm getting in the 7 to 900, depending on the day, doing two injections, doing a half of an osteosol pill, 24 to 48 hours afterwards. And so my question really boils down to, do I work out as if I'm performance enhanced or do I not work out as if I'm performance enhanced? What a good question. That's a very good question. This is a huge mistake people make when they go on testosterone replacement therapy. So I wanna be very clear. There's a very big difference between the amount of testosterone you take as therapy and the amount of testosterone or androgens, let's say a bodybuilder would take for performance enhancement. Just to give you an idea for the person listening, a man may take 100 to 150, 200 milligrams a week at the high end of testosterone for replacement. A bodybuilder would take 10 times that amount on top of other stuff. So there's a big difference. Do not train differently. That's a huge mistake. So now that you're on replacement therapy, one of the biggest mistakes people often make is they go crazy with the volume and the training. Trying to maximize their new testosterone levels. Don't do that. Train as you have been and what'll just end up happening is your old training is gonna become much more effective and then listen to your body. If your body becomes more fit and you find yourself able to train a little bit more, a little bit harder and everything feels good, you're not stiff, you're not achy, you're not losing strength and mobility, perfectly fine. But huge mistake and I'm gonna, here's something that's funny too Keith. I've worked in gyms for a long time. So I've known a lot of bodybuilders and people who've taken those high doses of steroids, they make the same mistake. Like they'll go on the cycle of high doses of antibiotics, ramp up their volume and get no results and can't figure it out. So it's not magic even at those crazy doses. Or they would just get, or they get results just they could have got way more had they scale back and scale the volume accordingly. Keith, are you following any maps programs yet? What are you currently doing? I'm not following anything. So just to give you a quick, my life history in 30 seconds, or even less, because it's the radio here, or because it's podcast here. I started lifting weights in the 14, 15 year old mark and the majority of my life has been an attempt to be as big and as strong as I can. And I've never been able to break the 300 pound mark. Oh, you're a big boy. Yeah, and my waist was 34 inches at the time. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that happened two years ago. That was in my late teens, early 20s. And so now it's a point of, I've been this big guy all of my life, but I've always hit the weights heavy. Well, there's this thing that's called advanced AGE that I have and at 52, my body is wore out. So it's just one of those things. I'm getting older and I can't lift the way that I used to lift. So with the testosterone thing, that's kind of where my question fell in, because when we start talking about, when I hear you guys talk about lifting weights and getting the same results as you did when you were a beginner, now maybe it's, hey, maybe I need to go back through that. And my numbers are the same as when I was a beginner. So why wouldn't I get the same results? But man, I was lifting daily. I mean, there wasn't a day where I didn't plus playing ball and that kind of thing. Keith, Keith, listen, me lifting the weights that I could lift when I was in my mid 20s, I was never 300 pounds of the 34 inch waist. So I don't know if that's a fair comparison. Did you play college football or sports? No, I was, I wasn't too stupid to play or to be in college. I was just too stupid to go to college. Yeah, yeah. If that makes sense. I chose the military route, which don't get me wrong, man. I'm not second guessing my decisions, but it just, it led me down a different path. And I'm very pleased with where I am now. I'm as far as I am had I gone to college. So, but yeah, I just never got to, I did place in my pro ball, which allowed me to bang around a little bit, but nothing to brag to anybody. Yeah, a bunch of has been, never was. The reason why I bring that up, I love it. The reason why I bring it up is because the stronger and the higher performance you had in your 20s, the harder it's going to be to achieve that later on. So my performance was okay, right? Compared to like, I was never a 300 pound 34 inch waist kind of guy that that's, that's massive. So I wouldn't worry too much about that, but can we send you a program? Cause I think maps performance would really. Oh, I'm just going to ask you guys where you would wait. Cause typically we'd go anabolic, but I think where he's at in his life, I think I would go performance first, then anabolic and then like, and then maybe like something else like strong or something like that. But I think maps performance, Keith, I think you're going to love the way that makes your body feel, especially the mobility sessions. I think you can get a lot of value out of that. Yes, sir. I will go down any route. Tell me to go down and that's, that's just the way it is. Oh, beautiful. All right, Keith, we'll send that over to you. Okay. Easy enough. Again, I can't, I can't help you out or I can't thank you enough for helping me out. Can I, can I put two questions down? Is it okay to lead into the next question without a lot of feedback? Yeah, that's fine. Tell me how I dropped my fat percentage. Yeah. Is that just, is that just part of the testosterone? Yeah, you got it. I mean, there's obviously it's more complex than this, but ultimately you're just going to have to watch your nutrition, you got to eat less. So I would keep the protein high, cut your calories. You got to eat less calories for that to happen. Otherwise you'll, you'll build the muscle and that'll help, right? Cause you'll speed up your metabolism. But without the focus on nutrition, it's going to be really tough. And you know, depending on where you're at, I actually wouldn't suggest to cut calories yet. I would literally, we just got off another call. We talked about this. I would have you focus on, make sure you hit your protein intake, right? So make sure you hit what your body needs consistently and really just focus on that. Feed the body when it's hungry. So if you, if you have your body's natural signals telling you you need to eat or you want to eat, just make good decisions. I think you will naturally lean out being put on a program like performance, while also hitting your protein intake. I think you, without having to cut or restrict really hard, I would recommend you first just follow it like that. Yeah. Just give it some time and see what happens. I think like the new stimulus alone will totally, your body's going to respond to it. And it says in your question, you're, you weigh 265 at 25% body fat? That's ballpark. Yes. It's actually 264, but yes, that's correct. I would go, I would aim for 200 grams approaching a day. So just try and eat 200 grams approaching a day and prioritize that. And then I agree. I think that we'd be smart to kind of see what happens. Easy enough. John, thank you. I wish I had, or I wish you had two hours to talk to. Well, follow up with us, Keith. Follow up with us. Follow up with us. Yeah, let's go. Oh, thank you. I do appreciate that. I saw, you know, the feedback is always a good thing. Yes. Thank you. Make sure that I'm on the right track, but even more so, make sure you're on the right track. And I know you guys are, you know, if you're doing what you're doing. Appreciate it. Thank you, Keith. Thank you very much. Yeah, Doug, you cut him off there, didn't you? I accidentally, he's a talker. He's like, I got a present for you and it gets cut off. Yeah, all right. Way to go, Doug. No, you know what? That's a really common thing. Great question. There were guys that I worked with that were natural and then they got on their first cycle of antibiotics and they immediately doubled their training volume and all that stuff. And then they were like, why is it not working? I don't really see great results or whatever. And I remember them figuring it out and going, oh, I can't just like all of a sudden train like crazy. It's not going to work that way. And it's even more important, that's even more true for just testosterone replacement therapy. You know, it's like, yes, do what you've been doing then everything will work out better. You don't need to go crazy with it. Yeah, I like your guys advice with performance. I also, I mean, personally was thinking anything, hypertrophy, more of a focus. I know I've met a few of these type of characters that used to lift like just heavy, heavy weights all the time were big guys. And just in terms of like, you know, feeling better with your joints and avoiding pain and like a future of training, I think, shifting it more to the hypertrophy realm would help a lot. Yeah, either body building-esque type of workout. So aesthetic, split type of routine with performance going kind of toggling back and forth between those programs. But yeah, really good question. And I agree, Sal, like it's a really, you even see it with body building community. I mean, it was one of the things I think I remember telling you guys off air a lot was, man, I was actually really fascinated by how poor of programming that Eli is. Now it's an over generalization. There's plenty of guys that are body building that are brilliant and doing great. But there's a larger portion of them that because they're on anabox, they get away with a lot of bad programming. Yeah, and so, you know, when you are on testosterone, it is much easier to see results, but it doesn't mean a lot of the same rules don't apply to you as far as programming and nutrition. And even if you are getting results, you'd get better results if you learn to listen to your body and scale appropriately. Our next caller is Sean from California. Sean, what's happening? How can we help you? How's it going? Thanks so much for having me and it's great to meet you guys. So I have two questions. My first question is training focused and then second is more diet focused, but I'll give a little bit of background first. I'm 25, have been training for the past five years consistently doing a body building split. So push pull legs changed up the rep scheme, but been pretty consistent with that type of training. And then after COVID lockdown, I switched to anabolic to try and get some novelty. I'd have been seeing some results, but I'm just starting phase two. So I think it's a little too early to tell. My first question is, if I'm looking to gain as much size and muscle as possible, is that programmed the right way to go or is there a better option for me? I'm pretty consistent. No problem getting in the gym five days. So I don't really miss workouts. And then if anabolic is the right way to go, is it too much to throw in some focus sessions on those trigger days, like to hit shoulders, biceps, triceps, something like that. Oh yeah, so you're trying to mix the focus sessions from aesthetic with the foundational workouts of anabolic? I haven't been doing that, but I was curious if anabolic you thought was the right program for the goals, if that would be a good option. Yeah, no, I love it. So what I would do is I would go maps, anabolic, three foundational workouts a week, because the program gives you the option to do two or three. So you could do three, and then two days a week, instead of trigger sessions, do focus sessions. And essentially what you do is you go to the gym, pick a body part you wanna work on, do isolation movements for it, just get a pump, and just do like five sets for it, and that's it. So you're in and out of the gym 20 minutes or so on those focus session days. That's a great combination. I think that's a perfect program. That being said, I do think there's some value in, even though you're an advanced lifter, you've been training for five years consistently, you like going to the gym five days a week, I still would want, if you were a client of mine, I would love for you to just follow anabolic to a T, at least the first time around, and then we could tweak on round two with doing things like that. It's not that you can't do what we're saying right now. I just think so many times people that are training, especially guys that like to work out and lift, they tend to overdo what they need to do. There's definitely a difference between what your body can handle, salsa this whole time, and then what is optimal, and many times what happens with someone just like you, I convince them to just go three days a week of the full body routine, and maybe have triggers on it, and their body explodes with less work in the gym. So I always gravitate towards what we want to do, not what we need to do. And that's just like human nature in general. And so I would say, give the trigger sessions a go for a bit, but yeah, I mean, the beauty of our programs is that we do have that modification available. So you're able to kind of interchange and switch things out like that, and we encourage that. It's just really, it's the first time going through as it's literally written out because that's, you know, part of the formula. Cool. Yeah, that all made sense. And then my second question is about protein during a cut. So about six, four, two, 30. So my protein goal is around 220 grams of protein per day. Would you say there's anything wrong with using whey or protein, whey or casein protein powder to get 100 to 120 grams of that protein as long as it's not messing with digestion? No, not necessarily, but that's a lot of protein to be getting from protein powder. And I don't have anything to support this, but I, man, when I was competing, I messed with this a lot. And I told, I remember telling the guys this like, you know, I know there's no real good research to support this because most everything when it comes to meal replacement stuff is basically for weight loss or weight gain, very specific versus body composition or how I looked. When I got all of my protein from whole natural foods versus supplementing a lot with bars and shakes, and I went from, I did both extremes. I was really strict and did nothing but whole foods for a show, and then I did another show or prep for where I allowed like literally two, three bars and two shakes almost every day to hit the protein intake. And absolutely I was able to lean out and build muscle and do all things. So I definitely was, you can do it for sure. But I swear to God, I just, I didn't look and feel as good as I did off of the whole foods. So it's, so to me, it's like, yes, you totally can. But in the back of your mind, always have that goal of like, okay, if I have an option to go make myself or make a meal or buy a meal that is whole foods versus just have another shake or bar, I always would push and encourage you to do that, even though, yes, you can still get jacked by eating all of your protein from shakes and bars. Cool, and then just the second part of that question is I'm currently on a cut. And so I've been not fully intermittent fasting, but I'll have a protein shake with some coffee in the morning and then I'll eat starting at noon, normally balanced meals the rest of the day is doing something like that, gonna mess with my metabolism and slow it down or mess with whole foods. No, that's fine, it's a great strategy. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, no, it's great. All right, well, thank you so much. That's all I had. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Cool. All right, thanks guys. Yeah, there's a lot we don't know about food. We learn stuff all the time about new phytonutrients and micronutrients and the way things work together. And oh, look, the bacteria interacts with this in your mouth and it causes this to happen in your gut. And there's so many things we don't know that it's arrogant for us to have protein powders and bars and supplements and say, this is the same thing as food. It's not to say, now it contains food, right? Way protein comes from milk, but is it the same thing? No, I think it's obviously not the same thing. One is a powder that has a long shelf life. The other one is come straight out of a cow. So I agree with you, Adam. Now again, is it gonna make a big difference for someone who just wants to be generally lean and fit and whatever? Probably not. Although I can make the behavioral argument, right? That you're depending on process shakes and bars and stuff. From a physique standpoint, I think the more fit you get, the leaner you get, the more of a difference it makes. And I did the same thing. I tested it myself and I always look and feel better whole foods based than when I throw in a lot of shakes and stuff. And by the way, we're sponsored by supplement companies, so we're just being totally honest. It's not advantageous for us to promote that message. No, no, no. So this is the truth. But it is the truth and I can't point to research that really supports my argument. And I know I'm purely going off of my experience, but I've tested that several times and it's very clear to me that I look and feel a little different when I go all whole foods versus when I use the shakes and bars. And there's other things too that I, like so when you're doing a lot of the process stuff, there's a lot of artificial sweeteners and stuff that are in there. I noticed I have more cravings when I'm doing the bar. Like I always remember, I remember- Like the same calories don't make you feel the same in terms of quality. Exactly, exactly. So if I'm in a cut, eating the whole foods really helps me stay satiated where man, when I'm in a cut and I'm doing bars and shakes, I find myself like, oh, I'll get another bar. And then eating three bars in a day and it's because it kicks the appetite up. So yeah, so there's other reasons why I think that. And I think the move is to not shame or demonize somebody who's utilizing shakes and bars that frequently, but just encourage them that, hey, if and when you can always try and get whole foods first and then that's a great option if you can't but the goal should always be- I found it more valuable and bulking to use shakes and bars because of the appetite thing, cutting. Cutting with bars and shakes is really hard. So much better with whole foods. Our next caller is Amy from Texas. Hi Amy, how can we help you? Hi y'all, I just wanna thank you first off before I get into my question. Y'all have helped me so much just from like Binging Hills YouTube and listening to your podcast and y'all are of a really great value to the fitness community. So thank you so much for helping me and everybody else. Mostly Justin and I, right? Yeah. Okay, good. Just wanna get that clear. Give some credit here. So I'll just read y'all my question. I'm a yoga instructor. I've been practicing for 10 years and I've recently got more serious about my strength training goals. The numbers are pretty arbitrary but I've progressed a lot in the past six months. I really want to get a hundred pound military press. I'm at 85 pounds right now and I can rep that out five. Sorry, I'm at the gym. I just got done working out. I'm a little out of breath but I can rep that out for five reps, five sets. And then I really wanted to get 230 pounds for a really deep squat when I really started evaluating my goals six months ago. I was squatting right up parallel or a little bit above at like 185 and all the weight was loaded into my quads, obviously. And I had a girl at the gym who was like, hey, to get like more glute activation you wanna get really low. So I regressed my weight and I started at 95 pounds and since then I've been able to get to 165 in a little under six months. I practice yoga two times a week in addition to lifting five days a week and I always do like one solid mobility day with kettlebells. I teach upwards of 10 classes a week. I personally train on the side, I've been doing that for a year and I'm studying to be a registered dietitian so I walk a lot on campus and I'm wondering like what's causing my plateaus in my military press and my squat. My other lifts like deadlifts, RDL, bench press and good mornings are all really solid and I'm focusing on these specific lifts because they give me a lot of challenge. Amy, how old are you? I'm 29. Okay, yeah. So I love how strength-focused you are as a yogi practitioner. That's a yoga in combination with strength training. You're an instructor so you know how to do it right. Yoga with strength training is such a great combination. It's an amazing combination. Okay, so you wanna get strong real fast? Not like, I'm patient but I'm very goal-oriented so me setting these goals for myself, I know that it might be a battle of my mind as well to where I'm like, okay, now I have numbers in my head and I just wanna get there but I'm also interested in just the journey and I'm wondering what's hindering my progress. Yeah, yeah, I got you. No, let me rephrase the question. Do you wanna get stronger and do you wanna feel the strength? Do you wanna start to see those results happen? I think the answer is yes. Okay, you're doing too much resistance training. So you're doing two yoga classes a week. You're teaching a lot, which you're not doing the full class but you're still moving. You're doing a lot of walking. There's a stress of studying for what you're studying for. Five days a week of strength training on top of the yoga is a lot. I would say do three full body workouts a week. Yeah, in a ballag. In a ballag. Yeah, maps in a ballag would be perfect. Do the three foundational workouts a week option on there because there's a two versus a three one. Three foundational workouts a week plus the two yoga and you'll see strength gains come on, especially phase one, you'll see them come on real fast. Especially if you stay consistent with the trigger sessions too. Yeah, you'll see them come on real fast. You're just doing a lot. You're doing a lot of exercise training and activity. It's probably why you're plateauing. And also, okay, have a little empathy for yourself too. Like you're kind of kicking ass already. So what you've, the fact that you've increased the depth, you started at 90 something pounds. You had 130 something pounds on your squat. Your overhead pressing 85. Yeah, overhead pressing almost 100 pounds already. I mean, you're, you are strong. And then you also practice yoga. So I'm assuming that you have pretty good mobility too. So I think you're doing pretty damn good. But I get it. I get the being very goal oriented and want to stay focused on something like that. I agree with Sal. I think that maybe all you have to do is actually kind of scale back a little bit on the volume and focus on like a full body routine. And I think your body's gonna respond. I bet you in phase three weeks of phase one of maps and a ball like you'll see a 15 pound bump to your squat alone, if not more in your overhead press too. So if you don't have that, we'll send that to you. The overhead, also to keep in mind, I agree with you, but keep the overhead press will be slow, right? That's a slower one than the squat for sure. Well, also to, you know, just if you can, maybe during your trigger session days or like, you know, keep it fairly light, but like overhead carries and, you know, adding a rotational type of exercises in there to reinforce those, you know, that shoulders really gonna aid into your performance as well, just to keep that in mind. Okay. Amy, do you have maps and a ball? Cause we'll send that to you if you don't. I don't. Okay. You know what I'm gonna do? I want you in our forum too. I want to follow along because I'm excited to hear about how fast you're, considering where you're at and what you're doing. I mean, if you were my client, I'd be so confident that I'd get you strong really fast just by taking from five days to three days full body. So I want to see, I want to see what happens. We'll let you in our forum for free and then give us some updates. Okay? Okay. So it just, I mean, it gives me kind of anxiety to not train that often just because the gym is like my flow and happy state. Amy, you can go to the gym every day. Yes, go. You just don't. Walk and do yoga. Do yoga, do mobility. You could do, you know, you could do priming sessions. Knitting. You can, enough. You could do stuff. You can go to the gym every single day. Just don't lift weights every single day. Okay. But you can go to the gym and do all, do other stuff if you want. There's nothing wrong with that. If they have a sauna, steam room, utilize that. I mean, have fun. There's nothing, I look, I get the mental part. Trust me. I work out daily for the mental part. So I get that. But you're gonna get stronger with MAPs on a ball like in faster than you have. You said you do some mobility with kettlebells, right? I mean, there's a lot you can do to kind of reinforce the ability and structure there with like a bottoms up light press you can do like a Turkish getups. You can do windmills. All that stuff is gonna contribute into your overall strength. So just keep it moderate to low intensity. That's the key. Amy, do you have any of our programs yet? I don't. I actually just, this is random. I just finished Paul Chek scientific stretching. So I had done a few. I had done a few of his like continuing education. And so I just found y'all six months ago and I've been binging your free resources on YouTube and then like your podcast. And so I was like, okay, I'll invest in Mind Pump as my next block of continuing education. Yeah, Paul Chek's got great courses, great stuff. So I'm sure what you're hearing from us is kind of what you learned through his courses as well. Yeah. All right, cool. Amy, good luck. Thank you all so much. Yeah, we'll see you inside the forum, huh? For sure. All right, cool. Thank y'all. Thank you. Bye. Yeah, that's a, it's always a hard, right? I mean, by the way, 90% of people are not, don't have this problem. 90% of people, you got to like kick them in the ass and get them to work out. No, it's the trainers. Yeah. Trainers and athletes. People that, yeah, no, 100%. And boy, was she a dead giveaway too. When she said that, I knew it too. I knew it. You just confirmed that. Totally. We definitely need to do that. So 100%, but hit it around the head. I tell you, dude, she's going to go, I've had clients like this, exactly. Literally yoga instructors who do the same thing. And I'm like, no, I'm going to train you twice a week. That's all you're going to do. Trust me. And then their strength just goes through. So was her, so when she says five days a week, was that, and then also the yoga and then top of it. And then also the kettlebells, or was the kettlebells included, I think she, really? It was all of it. All of it. Oh, wow. Yeah, she's overdoing it. She's all the walking and all the stuff. Yeah, she's overdoing it for sure. Our next caller is Rebecca from California. Rebecca, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my question. Little background, a few years ago, I lost about 90 pounds, but I kind of hammered it off of myself. So I was not in a great place metabolically when COVID hit. I'm an oncology social worker in a big hospital. So as you can imagine, the last couple of years have been pretty rough mentally and physically. And I just started stacking on body fat at a pretty alarming rate. I realized I needed some help. So I got into therapy. I hired a nutrition coach and I just started taking better care of myself. Physically, I just wasn't myself and I felt kind of like garbage. So I thought there might be a hormonal component to what was going on. And I actually reached out to three different doctors and none of them would even run the blood work. Wow. So I got really frustrated, but I listened to you guys. So I realized this was not gonna happen through my insurance. And I reached out to Dr. Vann's team at Regenerative Sports Medicine. I had a consult with them. Amazing experience. I almost cried after the meeting because it was just such a relief to have somebody listen. They said basically my blood work looked great. My testosterone wasn't subclinical, but it definitely wasn't optimized. So given my goals and my symptoms, they gave me a prescription for oxandrolone, which is anabar. And I started that about two and a half weeks ago. A little bit before that, I also started to try and do a cut again. So I'm eating about 1,800 calories a day, hitting my protein. And then as far as training, I lift weights in a non-crossfit class setting about four days a week. And then I'd pole dance two to four hours on the weekends. So given all of that, is there anything that you guys would recommend that I shift about my nutrition or my training? Potentially I could start to feel a lot better in the next couple of weeks. And I'd really like to make some momentum towards my goals. Amatron's coming back. I got some small outfits to wear. So super open to anything you guys say. Rebecca, you're doing everything right. Yeah, I was gonna say, right now I would, let's see what happens. I feel like- You're doing everything right. You started talking about taking care of yourself. I mean, when you started telling us about your job and what happened. And I was ready to say, look, you need to take care of yourself. You need to work on that part first. But you got there already. You're working with a therapist. You're working with your nutrition. You're doing the workout. You're optimizing hormones, which really helps you. It kind of gets you out of that hole, right? Cause you're in that hole of low energy. It's hard to get out of it. The oxandrolone is probably gonna make you feel better. Works pretty quickly from what I'm aware of. So you'll start to feel more energy. You're on the right track. Here's what I'm gonna say to you. I'm gonna caution you to not overdo things. Cause I think you're gonna want to. You're gonna wanna just scale things up and ramp things up and push it harder and harder. Cause you're probably gonna start to feel really good. Be patient. Let your body work. And if anything, I'd say also focus on rest. Because what probably got you here, excuse me, what got you here was the stress and maybe not getting enough sleep or stress management. So make sure you take care of yourself in that way as well. But you're doing great, Rebecca. I can't wait to see where you're gonna be at in three to four months. I wanna, in your notes, I saw something about your dietitian having trainers that listen to Mind Pump. What does that say? So everyone on the team, trainers are listening, nutrition coach is listening. So they're all prepared to help me with any recommendations that you guys have. You're on fire. Listen, you're gonna be, if you maintain, and I'm telling you right now, I can predict this. What program are we on right now? Are you following one of our programs? By the way, that's a good question. So I was gonna ask you guys about that. I do lift weights in this class setting and I'm not married to the programming per se, but it is my transitional activity like between work and home. And so I need the people in my life just for my own sanity. But the trainers are super flexible. So I had a thought that I could maybe run anabolic and kind of tweak what I'm doing in class to fit that programming and then anything I can't do in class, I can do either my home gym or the gym on campus. I would love that. I would love that. That might be too much right now. And I'll tell you why. You said the trainers doing the class or listening to the show and you said something that's really important. Oh, it's the dietitians, dietitians. She said the trainers too. Oh, the trainers in the gym too? Yeah, everybody. You said something that's really important to me, which is that you really need those people in your life. That's gonna be more valuable than perfect workout programming right now. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna send you Maps Prime Pro. I want you to do mobility stuff on your own at home just to reinforce your joints and keep yourself healthy. Stick to what you're doing with your trainers right now. When you're ready to move to more specific workout programming, I think Maps Anabolic would be perfect. But if you can identify that the people in your life and the class are very important to you right now, that's gonna be more valuable. And I'm gonna tell you right now the roadblock that's gonna get in your way is gonna be you trying to overdo things, throwing, you're gonna feel good and you're gonna wanna do more. And then you're gonna feel better and you're gonna wanna do more. And that's gonna backfire. So be very, very calm about this. Take your time. Don't work, work with your body. Allow your body to work with you. Don't force it. Don't try to force it. And you're gonna do amazing doing all the stuff that you're doing. Yeah, I'm with you with sticking with that for right now. I mean, it'd be great if you could pursue something like a personal trainer to work with you individually and get more on the weight training specific strength training side of things. But I think that would be sort of the next step after you get to a good place with where you're at right now. Yeah, I agree with both. My only concern about the class setting and coming from a coach and teacher who taught class weight training is they, even if the programming says for you to rest, everybody when they're in a group setting has this tendency to keep going and going and they don't give themselves adequate rest between sets. So my advice to you would be if you are gonna do the class setting and continue doing it. It's strength training not cardio. Yeah, is please give yourself 90 seconds of rest between sets and fight that urge of everybody else picking their weights up and going right back at it. It's so important that you do that or else all we're really kinda doing is cardio with weight. So that's my only concern with the class setting and how it can promote that kind of way of training. But where I wholeheartedly agree with Sal and this is a great conversation to have is that this is an example of where even if you were doing CrossFit and the way you explained how important it was to you community-wise and it's right from work and it's keeping you consistent, like that would trump my desire as a trainer to move you in a different direction strength training-wise because consistency trump stuff. Cause you're actually gonna do it. And you're happy and you like it. And so that's so important to me as a coach. It'd be different if you're just like, hey, I'll do whatever you say I'm motivated to do. Yeah, and I don't care. Yeah, and I don't care and you're not attached to that but you've already expressed how valuable that is to you already and that is important even if the programming is subpar in comparison to you following a strict maps anabolic program with a private trainer if you're less likely to be consistent with that and I don't want you to try and do that. So if you are gonna do the class, that's my big recommendation is just fight the urge of not falling into the circuit training type of trap. And then the other thing I'm gonna add to what Sal said because it is gonna happen cause you're gonna start seeing better and better results and you're gonna get motivated. What's the primepro.com? What's my webinar? Yeah, primeprowebinar.com. Okay, so if you haven't gone to primeprowebinar.com and download that free mobility workout I put for 50 minutes on there, do that and keep that. And every time you have the urge to go do more cause you're motivated, you're feeling great and you just wanna be more active, turn that on at your house and do that and or go for a nice walk. Well, we're gonna send her primepro so she'll be able to even individualize it but that class will give her a good idea. Well, it gives her something to follow. Exactly. Versus you having to kind of like if you're gonna have a day where you're just like you got energy, you're motivated, you've already done your routines and you wanna do more, go follow that class, do that mobility workout I have and or go for a nice walk. There's your prescription for the days when you start to like want to do more. For now, I would say do what we're doing. Yeah, I do have a tendency to over train and under eat and I've hurt myself a couple of times. So I actually do have primepro and it really helped me rehab a hip injury that I had because I was doing too much and getting a little out of control. So I will absolutely keep up. Well, Rebecca, I wanna give you something for free because I like you so much. Give her anabolic. Are you in our forum? So I'm in the forum. I have anabolic performance and aesthetic. All right, you got anything you wanna give us? Yeah, name something. I'll give it to you right now. Do you want any programs you want of ours? Strong, I want strong. All right, we'll send you strong. There you go, there you go. But don't do strong on top of your classes. Hold on a second. Wait a minute, are you tricking us? They'll watch me and my trainers will watch me. They'll yell at me if I get out of control and they make me time my rest. I have to time it. Oh, good. Oh, that makes me happy. You got some small people. Yeah, I can't be trusted on my own. Good, good. Thanks for calling in, Rebecca. We'll send that over to Rebecca. Thank you guys so much. Thanks. Wow, that makes me so happy. She did a lot of the right stuff from where she was at. She's in the right, moving in the right direction. She'll screw herself up if she overdoes it. But if she doesn't, she's gonna be, this is gonna be such an incredible transformation. No, I can't. She seems pretty self-aware, though, going through this, you know? So I think she'll be able to recognize the signs, right? Shit, even the fact that she's got coaches timing her because she doesn't even trust herself to do it. That's amazing. So she's in a great path right now. And the other thing I want to comment on was her experience with hormones, with her general practitioners. Really a noise of shadow to me because I've had this experience, not with hormones, but with other things. Really, hey, Doc, I'd like you to, I want to get this tested and see what's going on. And they dismiss you. And it's just so damn frustrating. Oh, it's so annoying, you know? So it's like, you want to take your health into your own hands, but they make it harder. So I'm glad she went to nphormones.com, talked to the team over there because they're definitely on the forefront with that. I also think it's important to highlight again, just, you know, she's a perfect example, right? Everybody knows that we, you know, rag on CrossFit all the time and we tease the orange theory in the F-45 classes and we kind of bag on that a lot. But here's a perfect example of where I would be fine and encourage you because I, from what she's telling me like that, if I got a client who's just like, Adam, I mean, it's right next to my work. It's perfect timing for me. The people are really important to me. Yeah, I've met great relationships. I have a friend down there and we have this accountability. I mean, boy, does that, that matters more. Regardless, if I know that it's subpar programming in comparison to you following like a maps anabolic program, it doesn't matter at that point here. There's other things that it brings tremendous value to you. Totally. So that's where I would compromise as a coach and say, you know what, let's do it. And then eventually what I think would happen is she would get the momentum, she would start to build the body and kind of be at the place she wants to be. And then now she's like, now you feel kind of on top of the world. You kind of accomplished a lot. You've made huge moves. You've been super consistent. And now you're like, okay, Adam, what could I do more? Okay, well, let's get into some good programming. It's hyper focused on strengths. Exactly. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal and they're all free. You can also find us all on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal.