 What he represents is patriarchy. We're here to do work as men, as patriars. There's nothing more natural than being a father. Welcome back to the 21 Convention 2019 Special Patriarch Edition of Orlando, Florida. Our next presentation is a joint presentation by the Godfather himself, veteran and ambassador speaker of the 21 Convention, Godfather of the Red Pill, Roland Tomasi. Author, of course, of the rational male book series, Volumes 1, 2, and 3, soon and before, later this year. Joining him on stage will be veteran, alumni speaker of the convention, legendary talk show radio host and co-host of the Red Pill 101 with Roland on his YouTube channel, Pat Campbell. Without further ado, please let me welcome Roland Tomasi and Pat Campbell to the stage. Welcome back. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Do you need the mic for Roland? I didn't know why, yeah. Yes, sir. Thanks, guys. Much better. I've never done this with a mic in hand. Let's see how this goes. And here we have the Polish version of the rational male. Love it. So I think maybe we should familiarize people who don't know us just as a team here. Right. I think first, a little bit of introduction is in order, but I also think that just a little bit of groundwork needs to be laid as well for us here. So Pat and I do a, well, we do two shows actually. We do his show every Friday mornings from your terrestrial radio show. 805 AM on Talk Radio 1170, where Tulsa comes to talk and Oklahoma comes to listen. And now the world comes to hear the podcast I do every Friday with Roland. It's the most downloaded podcast we get. And then we also do a show together that we called Red Pill 101 where we cover some of the basics. And you'll find that on my YouTube channel. I have other things that I do on there as well, but primarily it's us talking and we go over, I don't want to call it remedial, but like I can't. Basics. Yeah, basics is what we go over. And so as you guys know, I come from a forum kind of background. I like to have back and forth and I like to have conversation as opposed to coming up here and pontificating and laying out some speech. And I like to think I did a pretty good job last year or the 21 convention back in October, but I'm more into one-on-one kind of things. Anybody who was just at the workshop I was doing, you probably got a good idea of that. So we're going to have a little bit of a conversation here. We're going to talk about multi-generational mentorship today. And we also will be talking about paternity and paternity issues and why paternity is not just a social construct, but also something that we as human beings have evolved to, you know, as men have evolved to set apart to really make important, whether socially or economically or whatever. So we're going to talk a little bit about paternity today as well. But first of all, I want to just say thanks, Anthony and everybody else for such a fantastic venue. This is my third time doing this and it just keeps getting better and better and bigger and bigger. So I want to thank all of you guys for coming out here as well. This has been fantastic. Real quick, let me jump in on this too. One of the reasons I told my story earlier about how I found Rolo, how I found the rational male. And I realized that he was limiting the scope of his audience. He was basically marketing to guys 20 to maybe 40. And I saw a possibility for a much bigger, broader audience out there. And I liked what he had to say and I thought there was a place for him in terrestrial radio exposing him to people who never heard him before. Sometimes I sit in for other talk show hosts like Todd Schnitt brought him on that show. 65 stations got to hear about the rational male in the red pill. People that had never been exposed to it before. My gift is that I'm able to move Rolo along at a really brisk clip. He would tell you himself if he were just up here, he could talk for a couple of hours. I got to get it all in an under an hour. So that's that's my mission today. We got a lot of ground to cover. Let's let's start with the village. I think that's where we want to start today. It's something you talk a lot about in your third book. When I hear the village, I automatically think of Hillary Clinton, but there's more to it than that. What do you mean? Okay. Well, the reason that I called the village of course is because of the famous quote by Hillary Clinton who actually lifted it from other places, which is imagine that it takes a village to raise a child. I'm sure you've probably heard of this before. And what that means is it's not just a mother and a father. This is the concept anyway. It's not just a mother and father. It takes the tribe. It takes the village. It takes multiple sources of influences into a child's life to raise that child from infancy to an adulthood. So it's not just about I mean, according to this concept, it's not just about a mother and a father. It's also the social influences. It's school. It is the media. It is popular music, popular culture. It's their friends. So when we're talking, when I use the term the village, it is kind of a catch all phrase to mean all of the influences that are included in creating that kid. So I don't when I'm using the village, I try to stay as neutral as I can, but it's kind of hard these days because the village, as you all know, is something that is not always the best influence on our kids these days. So the village, the village can actually destroy everything you do. Yes. If you expose them to the wrong village. Right. Right. Well, I mean, it can be a religion. Right. It can be it can be education for sure. And I think it's important to explore why what are those? What are those sources that constitute the village? And so when I look at like things from an educational point of view, what is it? 77% of all teachers from a time of kid is in kindergarten all the way up until it's in into secondary school into into the college is 77% of teachers are women. Coaches are the only area where that might be a little bit different. There might be a man involved, but so there is a feminine primary influence that pervades the village right now. I used to teach and I told Rolo, I was like when I was in a school or one or two males, it's predominantly female. The thing that saved me as I went to an all male preparatory high school and all of my teachers were men. I only had two women the entire time. That was a game changer for me. I think that saved me. Right. Right. Well, so there's the educational side of it. Then there is the social side of it. What what are your kids listening to? And why is this important to a father? Well, we're going to get to that here in a minute, but we have to sort of define what it is that is influencing our our next generations. I really liked what Hunter had to say is in his speech yesterday, which was I'm not just the father of my son. I'm also the grandfather of his son and I'm also the great grandfather and so on and so on. And so the the influences and the things that I do set the framework or set the groundwork for generations to come. And I think one of the reasons I want to talk about multi-generational mentorship as far as red pill is concerned is I think it's one of the most dangerous ideas that we can present to the village right now by taking our kids back by by being the father. We always say we need to have more fatherly influence. But while we remove fathers from the from the equation ever more, but yet we still say, okay, well, but we need dads and anybody who's read my my third book, you know, one of my my ideas in that is that men today are fathers today are superfluous. They are superfluous in the sense that they're nice to have around, but you can't trust men and you can't trust them to be good fathers. You can't trust them to be around. You can't trust them to do you know, they're it's like the Homer Simpson model. Right. They're just ridiculous buffoons. That is a portrayed on TV. Right. Yeah, that's that's and that's just one instance though. There's so many especially now in the 20 and what I call the the gender war, the gender Cold War, which is in the 2019 to 2020 election cycle. We're seeing this push to demonize and ridicule and shame and otherwise tamp the masculine down and push as much of conventional masculinity down into the ground and to demonize it because they want you to the village wants you to to hate men and to to not trust men to distrust men so much that it will seem like a moral imperative for you to vote for a woman, whoever the woman is in the 2020 election cycle. There was a story this week story this week. Stephen Moore, who was President Trump's nominee for the Fed had to withdraw his nomination because of something he said back in 2000. He said a man needs to be the breadwinner in the house. He reaffirmed it in 2014. He still believes it, but he doesn't want to say it anymore. And that for that reason, he had to withdraw from the race because he holds an idea that in 2000 was fine 2014. It was still fine now. It's antiquated. It's old school. It's not politically correct. You have to go. The village has accelerated that. I would say within the last decade, and I think in the next decade that's coming, you're going to see it accelerate that much more. We'll get into some of the topics as to why I believe that. So as far as the village is concerned, when I'm using that term, the village is the influences that help shape the next generation. And that's why what we're doing here. It's one of the reasons I wanted to actually do this convention and talk to guys who aren't just pickup artists or just trying to get late or something. I mean, that's an important part. I'm not going to say it isn't, but there's also other aspects of that. And that's what this is meant to this. This is a conversation. Everything we have going on here from the workshops to everybody who's talking. It's a conversation amongst men and we need to go out and mentor the next generation. And that's what we're going to be doing, but we need to understand. We need to know our enemy. Okay. We need to know and I even hate to use it as an enemy because it's determined as an enemy because the village can be positive if it's run the right way. You know, if it is, it's not always a bad thing to have social checks and balances, which we support not to have and support. Yes. And in essence, in principle, it's a good idea to say, you know, hey, it takes a village to raise a kid. It's just the village we have now screwing things up. So why does this village that we have right now have such an influence over the social narrative? Okay. Well, primarily because it's a means to power right now. Anybody who's read any of my three books prior, you understand what I mean when I talk about the feminine imperative and ever since the sexual revolution, we have seen this rise in feminization of cultures. Primarily the Western culture, but then we export that Western culture into other cultures who adopt those things and the most pervasive aspect of that importation has been feminism and it has been a gynocentric, gynecratic ideal that we need to empower young girls at the expense of our boys. And it is, I would say it's primarily responsible also for the way that we educate our boys, as I was saying before. We teach them like defective girls. Yeah, we teach them like defective girls. And we are not just importing that, but it's part of a package. It's part of the culture. It's part of pop music. It's part of our media, the movies we send out from where we're at and what is the narrative and what is the story that we're telling in our movies and in our storytelling right now? Storytelling can be anything. It could be a song. It could be a movie, whatever, a book, whatever. Right now, the primary influence of that village is to promote what I call the femme powerment agenda. And that's just a short-term way of saying, female empowerment, which we've heard a lot of ever since the sexual revolution. So we're talking about like late 60s all the way up to where we are now. And as technology and as communication has expanded, we've seen an advancement of this empowerment at the disenfranchisement and the disempowerment of the masculine and the over-emphasis on the female. That's why I have a real problem. One of my primary problem with feminism right now is it's a lie that is based on equality. It's a lie that is based on egalitarianism. Right. And it's the cover story. It's the cover story for female empowerment. It's the cover story for female supremacism. But you can't sell it to guys if it's female empowerment. If it's equalism, if it's equality, then that's an easier sell for men than it is for, you know, what's the joke? The joke is they were going to call it communism, but none of the women would sign up. So they called it feminism and everybody signed up. That's the joke. We had a caller one time who called in. He said that me and my wife are co-equals. I said, oh, so she runs the house, right? And I said, show me one country that has two presidents. It doesn't exist. Your car has one steering wheel. You don't have two steering wheels. You know, it's the whole thing. And he's talking about what you're exposed to. My oldest son, Michael, is in the Marine Corps. I talked about that earlier this morning. My wife finally figured out that I groomed him that way. She's absolutely right. When he was 10 years old, he fired his first 50-cow belt-driven machine gun and he was hooked on the smell of gunpowder. It was like pure testosterone. I took him to movies that instilled American values and pride. I took him to the Foot Locker. I took him to, or I think it was the Foot Locker about the bomb guy in Iraq. I took him to Lone Survivor. The Hurt Locker. What was it? The Hurt Locker. I took him to American Sniper all along, exposing him to positive male masculine role models and look where he wound up. It worked. Of course, if anything happens to him, it's my fault. But I can deal with that. That's because we still believe in nature and nurture or it's nurture via nature. But now anything you do that's masculine, like even lifting weights or taking your kid to the gym, it's discourage. That's of course the stereotypical thing that you'll hear from critics saying, well, you guys are just old school chauvinist cavemen who live in the 1950s. Fishing, hunting. Yeah, exactly. Those kinds of things. Now, I think the most insidious aspect of the village, and this is a good segue because you were just talking about how you have raised your kid and how he has developed in that way. The feminine imperative, the village social justice is making a concerted effort to get to our children earlier and earlier because they don't want you to have the authority to raise your kid. Let me give you an example. We talked about a few weeks ago, there was an 11-year-old boy who's a drag queen who showed up on Good Morning America with, of all people, Michael Stranahan was over there, right? And I'm watching the crowd while I'm watching this video. They're all, oh, you go, girl. It's like, what in the name of Sam Hill is wrong with you? And it's the mother that's pushing this crap. And I'm thinking, where's dad? Dad is either non-existent or he's abdicated his authority. That is child abuse. Now, that was bad enough. Now there's a documentary that just came out on DragKids. And now this is a way to bring them all together to normalize and make it look like it's a good thing. To have a young boy dressing up as a girl, acting as a girl, showing up in gay clubs, gay clubs doing these, putting on these drag queen things, you're doing irreparable damage to that kid that's going to take years and years of psychiatric work to undo all under the guise of, well, this is, we're tolerant. We're into diversity. We're into inclusion. No, you're into screwing up a kid for life. Well, I think the basis of that is it's a removal of control from the parents, collectively from the parents, but primarily from the father. And this sort of plays into what we're going to talk about with paternity and why paternity is so important. But the village needs to get to our kids earlier and earlier. And I think it was Hunter who was saying that when his children go off to school, they have to, you know, he's got to, he's got like, you've got to deprogram your kid from all of the things that are going on. You have to, you know, you have to really, I hate to say keep them in a bubble, but you really have to insulate them because you want to protect them from that and you want to instill your own values. And that, I mean, that's really what parenting has been since day one is instilling the values of whatever your culture is, whatever your family is and those things. And right now what the village, the message that the village is sending to us is that you don't do that. You're not supposed to do that anymore. You don't have the right to do those things. And that is, you know, when we want to talk about like the war on men or the war on masculinity, the primary reason that there is a war is to remove that control, to remove that generational control. The reason that I wrote the third book, if you've read the third book, the first like third of the book is committed to helping guys who were red pill aware or maybe they were awakened while married and they wanted to know, I'm a father, how do I go about teaching Michael? When should I give my son the rational male so that he doesn't go through the same kind of stuff that I had to go through? And it's kind of a difficult question to answer because I don't know the kid well enough, but the idea that I was planted in my head with all this is we need to make sure that our kids are insulated from this or that we are aware, like fathers are more aware of what it is that their children are going through because we live in an age right now where a 12-year-old kid or I don't mean that, a nine-year-old kid has a cell phone and has access to information and pornography and has that kind of social interaction 24-7. And we don't know how to deal with it as parents, but they sure as hell don't know how to deal with it as a child, so we're still trying to figure this kind of stuff out, but the village sees that as a way in. So when we look at the systematic disempowerment of men, it has a purpose, and that purpose is to influence the next generation. It is to raise your kids for you. And by doing that, they ensure that the next generation of kids follows along with whatever that narrative is. And just like you were saying here when it comes to like, say I write about this as well, is that the transgender movement for children right now, the popular idea is that a child as young as three years old can make a decision about whether or not it wants to live as a boy or a girl. And we are taking this hands-off approach to our children right now. Like, well, that's just how they are. I guess they were born the wrong gender, but gender is a social construct. So how can it be born that way? And that way you get into those contradictions, but the operative in all of this is that the village wants to take those kids and take you instilling your values into that child at the earliest ages. So it's not enough to teach them like boys to load their own gender at nine years old or eight years old. We have to convince the larger portion of society that a child as young as three years old has the capacity for abstract thought to make that choice to decide whether it wants to live the rest of its life as a boy or a girl. That's one aspect. Then there's Disney. Then there's popular culture. Then there's maybe their friends. Maybe it's their friends' family that they're getting an influence from. I know that guys, and I used to be kind of down on guys who wanted to do homeschooling. I thought that that was really insular and I thought, well, you're putting your kid in a bubble. I have changed my mind about that. I definitely changed my mind. I'll tell you what, as a former teacher, I've done all three with my kids. My kids have gone to private schools. My kids were homeschooled. When I lived in Florida, I homeschooled all my kids. And my kids have gone to public schools. In retrospect, knowing what I know today, if I had to do all over again, I would have homeschooled from K through 12. But even then, even then, because I know homeschoolers, okay? Once their kids get out into the real world, that is not a guarantee that you're not gonna be corrupted by the feminine imperative. You've protected them for 18 years, but after that, you better hope you've done the right thing. Right, right. And on the notes we have here, I was talking about just recently, it was the actress Charlize Theron. And read the quote, what did she say? I don't know if the quote's on it. It's on the back. Okay, we're seeing more of these Hollywood types. They've got a kid, it's clearly a girl, or it's a boy, but we're not gonna say what it is until they get older and they decide for themselves. You know, your DNA says whether you're male or female. This is just, it's crazy stuff, but there's a purpose to it. So she said, I don't have the right, as the mother, I don't have the right to decide how to raise her transgendered son. How does the village convince us to relinquish the right to raise our children? And when did children get rights? Right, exactly. Well, the reason that I like this as a good example of how the village tries to convince us that the child is capable of making adult decisions right now. The shaming us. Yeah, the shaming us, of course, but what that says is you as a parent don't have the right to decide for that child at three years old, whether it's gonna live as a boy or a girl, or what, and so that's a pretty intimate decision that you've got to make for the rest of your life. And of course, they're basing it on social constructionism, but it's a very intimate decision that's gonna, especially if you're gonna introduce like hormone or therapy somewhere along the line there as well. But what they're saying, if that's the decision that the village can make for you, what else can they decide for you? And I would argue that they, especially when it comes to women, they're trying to convince women that they should have a hands-off approach to their kids. Like, well, we don't want to be helicopter parents. We don't want to decide every last little thing for them, although they still want to put them in as many, you know, extracurricular things as possible. It's like free-range chickens. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's a hands-off approach, whereas in every generation before the one that we're in right now, it has always been a hands-on approach. You know, patriarchy, but parenting in general has always been a hands-on approach. We want to influence the next generation. We want them to live a better life than we had before. Positively. And we want to instill in them values that have been beneficial to us. But what the village is saying is, no, no, no, you can't do that anymore. And in fact, I think in Canada, there's a, I don't know if it's been passed into law, but there was some sort of legislation that was proposed that said if the parents don't allow the child to exercise or express themselves as a different gender, that that is criminal and they can remove the child from the home and keep the separation between them. And that's where I wanted to go with the next part of this is because I think that... The end game? Well, the end game part, but also the separation because right now with the way things are with men, we are removing men from our dialogue more and more today. And as part of that, we're removing fathers from that dialogue as well. So we're removing male influence. Hell, we have to even erase the letters M-A-N from our language right now because it's not gender inclusive or it's gender exclusive. But we're removing more and more control. So we convince women that they should have a hands-off approach to their kids and we just simply remove men from the entire equation. So we pull the man out of the house. I mean, what we're saying is 43% of children born today are born out of wedlock. And this is something that we have encouraged. We praise it. We say, yeah, single mothers, you can go and you can do it all. But you should have a hands-off approach to raising your kid. And men are superfluous. They're nice to have around, but they're not necessary. Unless of course the kid is a criminal and then we say, where's a father? Where's his dad? What happened to the father? And, you know, we control the language as well when we're talking about this too. So when we talk about single, we don't talk about single mothers. We talk about single parent homes. Or we say fatherless homes. A single mother doesn't even mean what it used to. A single mom used to mean a woman who had a child out of wedlock. Now it means that, but it means a zillion other things. It could mean somebody who's been divorced, you know, and has a couple of kids and is looking for another relationship. But there's no stigma. There used to be a stigma associated with having a child out of wedlock. That stigma is long gone. And not only it's been replaced with a celebration. You had a child out of wedlock. Congratulations. You're the best. We ran that commercial. You can choose to do it now. We ran that commercial for Burger King. The depression one. Did you hear that last week? And there's a young girl, maybe 16 walking down the street with a baby. And somebody said something to her and she's there like, suck it. I don't care. You know, she's going to live her life the way she was. She's loud and proud. Loud and proud. So we celebrate that. We used to have checks and balances prior to the sexual revolution. It used to be a stigma for a single mother. Now we encourage it. Now we facilitate it. Now, if you want to freeze your eggs, it's part of your benefits package. If you work for a Fortune 500 company, because you're of course going to be working and focusing on your career, or at least going to be following that narrative. So we facilitate those things, but we don't see the influence of the village in that conversation or in that whole equation. Now, what's the outcome? What's the end game? What's the end game of the social engineering of the village? Yeah, so, and that's really what it boils down to is this is a social engineering. It is the idea that we can create the next generations with our ideologies, with our pro, with our femme-powered ideologies, and we need to, we need men to man down and we need women to man up. And what I'm seeing right now is we keep talking about the lost boys generation. Right. Talk about the, these, these, a lot of men are finding the red pill right now, or finding the manosphere because they're looking for answers. I didn't have a dad, I didn't have a man, or I didn't have somebody like you. I didn't have anybody to guide me, and one of the reasons why I think guys like Jordan Peterson are very influential right now is because there's a generation of men who are the result of the first pass at this. It's a thirst. They're looking for something. They're looking, yeah, they are, life-wise they're rudderless. They're, they want direction. I don't know about you, but when I was, when I was in my teens, I resisted that kind of regimen. I resisted that kind of direction. I didn't want, you know, I didn't, you know, get up and just flip off the world. Right. And, and I was anti-authoritarian, punk rock, you know, heavy metal. Let's, you know, we're going to go make, do things our way, but we had a direction. We had an idea of what we wanted to do. Do you know who Jocko Willink is? Yes. Okay. So I've had him on the program a number of times. When he was about 18, he decided, but he was like you, he rebelled against everything. And he told his dad he's going in the Navy and his dad goes up and whispers in his ear. He goes, you're going to hate every minute of it. But Jocko, by going into the Navy, becoming a CO, he realized that discipline equals freedom. Discipline equals freedom. And that, that's something you've got to instill in your kids. Yeah. Eventually it does. Eventually, I mean, there's, there's different kinds of freedom. There's a kind of freedom where you're just sort of willy-nilly, you know, hedonistically running off and doing whatever it is. And then there's a freedom to make choices. Right. And anybody who's read my first book, whenever I talk about power, I always say that the true nature of power is not the control that you have over others, but the control that you have over the direction of your own life. So it is the ability that if you want real power, you want true power is how you can direct the course of your life rather than have others directing the course for you. But what, so what's the end game? The end game, I think, is another generation, or maybe an expanded generation of this Lost Boys. And so, you know, you've got a guy like Jordan Peterson who comes around and says, you know, make your bed, put, you know, shoulders back, that kind of stuff. That's revolutionary. Yeah, that's revolutionary to these guys. They think that it's, yeah. I wish I would have had a dad that's telling them, that's what they, that's what they go. And I have guys do that too. They say, you know, thank you for saving my life. You know, the book, you know, really changed me and gave me some things to think about and gave me the tools I needed to change things. Same thing with Peterson is like, you know, this is like old school stuff that should be really basic to understand. But we think you and I think that this is crazy. Because, you know, my dad didn't carry him. I can remember being a teenager and my dad would like knock on my door in like about 7 a.m. every Saturday knowing that I would sleep in. And he would knock on my door and say, get up, get up. And I'm like, what? You know, it's Saturday. Well, what do you want me to do? He's like, I don't care. Something productive. Anything productive. Just get up and go and do it. And whatever, you know, go to work or go do whatever you're going to do. But you need some kind of purpose. And that's really where it is. You need structure in your life. And we were just talking about this a little while ago in my workshop. The difference between meaning and purpose. And really, men need that purpose. Men are deductive problem solvers. Boys are rambunctious. Boys have a lot of energy that needs to be directed. And so rather than having it directed constructively, they find themselves in a feminine primary education system that praises the female and says anything female is correct, anything male is incorrect. And we're going to, we're going to medicate the male out of you. Yes. Whether it's Ritalin, Adderall, whatever, you know, you become, you become a disciplined problem. We're going to medicate you. We're going to sedate you. So I think we've pretty much, anyway, as far as the end game, I just want to pick up real quick here. I think that the end game of all of this is more disempowerment of the masculine in society. And it is more over-empowerment or over emphasis of the female primacy in society. And the outcome of that, the result of that is another, is generation after generation of men or boys who don't know what to do with their purpose list. So that's the problem that I see. All right. So let me ask you this. And I'm going to have to have you define this too. How does conventional masculinity, first of all, what is conventional masculinity, but how does that push back against the village? And it's a numbers game here too. We are definitely in the minority. Right. Yeah, especially in the, I mean, that's why we need these kinds of things. Right. How are we going to push back by each one telling one? As you guys know, I am not an MRA. I'm not part of the men's rights movement. I think that that is, I think that they've done some good stuff, but I think that they are fundamentally flawed when it comes to their ideas about egalitarian equalism, trying to be more perfected feminists. But I also think that their fundamental problem is they are top down, whereas I think the red pill needs to be bottom up, which is each one tell one, each one affect one, and then take those two. I'm all I'm big on giving guys content and giving guys tools to use for, you know, however they're going to use them in their lives because I can't dictate. I don't have a formula. Yeah, they want a formula from you. How can I become? I don't have the cheat codes. You have to go and make up your own solution, but I can give you the tools to make your solution. So what, what do we do about all this? You know, what, well, first of all, what is conventional masculinity? What does that mean? Conventional masculinity is a term that I came up with because I really got tired of the term traditional masculinity. And if anybody knows, I think Dr. Dr. Sean Smith was talking about the, the APA ruling of, you know, determining or declaring that traditional masculinity is a psychological disorder right now. So I don't like to use the term traditional not because I'm trying to. We're all sick. We're all sick. Every one of us. I use it in the terms that, you know, everybody has different traditions. Right. So, you know, different cultures, different ethnicities, whatever, we all have our different traditions. So there's one, one person's traditional masculinity might be different from another. Right. But there are certain conventional aspects of male nature that are unique to the male human of the species and how our aspects that are unique to them. So it's really easy for, for women to say, well, a woman can be masculine. Yeah. I don't want to be masculine, but, you know, a lot of the aspects that I could mention here, people would like to say, excuse me, people would like to say that they're universal. They're unisex. It's like, well, their strength is masculine. Well, yes, we say it is, but kind of women be strong. Yeah. But we're also talking about outliers. We're talking about, you know, apex fallacy and stuff like that. But what are those, what are those conventional aspects of masculinity, strength, honor, perseverance, you know, well, and then mentoring, I really think should be an aspect of that as well. But there are aspects of maleness that are unique to male human beings that are conventional aspects of masculinity and women don't like that, particularly in this, in the, in the village. This is, I should say, doesn't like that. So they try. We're the same. We're equal. They try to, you know, not all, it's not, not all women are like that. So if we can keep things subjective, if we can keep things, I'm, I'm, I'm very much an ardent objectivist, but I think we live in a subjectivist world right now because it makes it easier to sell ideology. It makes it easier to sell the idea that you should have a hands-off approach to your kids. So I also think that that's a really big problem for men right now. Just as, as an aside here is that we have taught, our men are so, our young men are so life-wise, they're so rudderless that they believe that their, their masculinity is defined by subjective terms as to who they are and whatever, whatever they're about, even if it's the exact opposite of what would be conventionally masculine. So it's this confusion about masculinity. It's this, it's this obscuring of like, well, you know, masculinity means a lot of things to a lot of different people. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. If you're keeping that definition away from them, it can be anything you want. A woman can be just as masculine as a man. It becomes a compartment word like love. Love means something different to everybody else in this room and in politicians, you know, or people that are trying to change the social narrative. They, you'll watch them. You'll, they'll use, you deserve, you're entitled and they'll use words like that that you can make, mean whatever you want them to mean, but they don't mean the same thing to the other person. Well, I think what we're seeing right now is where we've got a recognition on the part of the village to want to silence us, to want to keep us from gathering together. If anybody saw my, my talk on the state of the Manisphere address last October, I mentioned a lot of this is that we're seeing this pushback or we're seeing this recognition by the mainstream. And so like recently, we just have Paul Joseph Watson gets, gets silenced. We have, we have de-platforming or unpersoning of people whose voices they don't want anybody to hear. Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Lewis Farrakhan, who should have been silenced a long time ago for different reasons. And you can say what you want to about whatever they are personally in their politics and all that other stuff. But the fact of the matter is that there are, there are powers that be that don't want anybody to know what their ideas are. They have dangerous ideas. You're still going to have your freedom of speech. You're just not going to have an audience. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, they're not, they're not removing that. You might not even also have a job anymore because they're unpersoning you. It's, it's almost, it would almost be better to go to jail than it would be to not be able to work, you know, lose your family, lose your dog, lose your, you know, whatever else. And you're, you're out on the streets, at least in prison, you got two or three meals a day kind of thing. In, in the prison of unpersoning, there's, there's very little room to get, to get away from that. If you are de-platformed and you know, we're also looking at, we're also looking at banks saying, we're not going to, we're not going to bank with you because ideologically, we think you are hate speech or something. And so I think you're going to see more and more extremism in that respect as we get into the 2020 election cycle, particularly, I think this is really sort of a trial balloon for some of the larger tech companies right now for the 2020 election. I was like, who can we, who can we make shut up? They're going to start with people that are on the extremes, the, the outliers right now, but eventually they're going to move closer and closer and closer. And everybody that's in this room, you're going to be targeted one way or another. Right, right. So when it comes to how do we fight back? How do we push back? How do we, as conventionally masculine men, as red pill aware men, how do we, how do we fight against this? And I think if you read the third book, I stress men need to be aware above everything else. They need to know what their kids are going through in, in school, what they're, what they're upbringing is entailing as far as the, the village is influenced. Right. And I mean that by music. I mean that by culture and everything else. What is influencing that kid to become the person that the village wants that kid to be? So there needs to be a pushback against that. If that means you're going to go on homeschool your kids. Maybe that's a way that you do that. But I think primarily you need to be in, you need to be in that child's life because the village wants to pull you out of that kid's life. If you've ever seen the, the documentary divorce incorporated, you will see some of the most heart wrenching accounts of these guys who have lost custody, who are, you know, first of all, they're getting raked over the coals, you know, financially. But they're just, you know, tears streaming down their eyes because they, they lost custody of their kids. And that's like the worst thing in the world. Your kids are being used as pawns in a game of chess to punish you. Right. And I, and I will say this right now is that if you have children or if you are a divorced father who shares custody right now and you're in this room or you're part of the Red Pill community, you are definitely at risk because if the Red Pill is in any way associated as a hate group or as, as, you know, potentially violent or something like that, there is a very real chance that your, if you have a vindictive ex-wife, she can use that to say, I want full 100% custody. And that is another way that the village will be able to silence you. So how do we push against this? I, I'm, you know, once again, the theme of this whole thing is multi-generational mentorship. We need to mentor the next generations to be aware of this so that we can initiate a change. And I don't mean that just like in a political sense. I mean that in just a life sense and where we're going to go. Everybody, everybody that has come on this stage right now has had some fantastic ideas. Right. But they need to be passed on. They need to, they need to make it into perpetuity. They need to be not just passed on to the son and the grandchildren, but there needs to be some sort of record or some, some sort of documentation of all this because who knows where this is going to go. Right. A lot of people believe that we're headed for some sort of civil war or we're headed for some kind of catastrophe, a social downfall. And we always, we say, you know, enjoy the decline, right? That's Aaron Clary was saying something like that. So enjoy the decline, right? So you have two choices. You can fight the, fight the decline or you can just sit poolside and watch everything as it burns. Here's the thing though with the gender war. Okay. You got to clearly define this. Who's the enemy? Women aren't the enemy. Who's who? Who's the enemy in the gender war? Yeah. It's the ideology is what it is. So it's not a person. We're fine. No, no. And I mean, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to to red pill, you know, as a as a moniker as a loose brand, I always see it as intersexual dynamics. I don't see it as a political or I don't see the red pill as an ideology, but that's not to say that there aren't ideologies out there that conflict with the objectivism of intersexual dynamics in the red pill. So you're still going to be forced at some point if you're going to raise kids. I mean, every guy, like when I was doing the billing for this for the 21 convention, I said it's for fathers. It's for men who want to be eventually be fathers. Right. And this will get into our the paternity part of all this. What, you know, well, why do you want to do that? Why do you want to be that way? Is it because do you want to have a kid so that you can push back on the narrative or you do want it just because you have this innate need to have a child, to have offspring, to have offspring to pass to pass your lineage. And I, you know, we've we've heard a lot of I get a lot of criticism from from migtows who say, well, you're just leading the lambs to slaughter. Right. You are saying that it's okay to go date or you're saying that it's, you know, if in the age of me to that it's okay to engage with women. It's okay to run game on women. It's okay to do this kind of stuff because they worry and in some cases I understand why they say that. You know, I got onto that discussion on your show with Dr. Everpiper about marriage and what are the benefits of marriage and what are the the drawbacks? Why would a man in 2019 why would a guy even want to get married? What's in it for him? Of course, his angle right away is, well, you got the wrong approach. You shouldn't be looking at a marriage as what's in it for you because that's selfish. But what can you contribute to the to the wife to the family? We got into this this long drawn out argument. We were talking about two different things. He's talking about a traditional covenant marriage which is great. Okay. But we're living in an age where we're talking about contractual marriages. That's where these guys get burnt. They get t-bone where the court system everything stacked against you. Not that every woman would but every woman could, right? And any woman can. Yeah. And in an instant you're all of a sudden your financial wealth your assets 50% you know, and then the kids are used against you with some sort of a a bargaining chip. And again, that's removed the man. We still need reproduction. We still need to, you know, get the next generation but they don't want you the village does not want you to be raising that right kid. So we we see divorced and child support laws. So I want to get into the paternity. I'm looking at the clock here. We're doing about 45. So with the paternity deal. Okay. We're seeing this crap now where we're guys we talked about this on Twitter. Your girlfriend gets knocked up by somebody else but I'm going to stick with her because that's what guys do, man. That's what guys do. I'm secure enough or you're you're you're hooking up with the chick that's got like two kids but they're not yours. But you're taking over for the other guy because you're a man. You get your we give we're going to give you your white night ribbon and your participation from manhood. And guys guys are buying this crap. Like, yeah, I should be doing that. Yeah. Well, because it feeds into the the system that the village has already enabled for you. And I would say that part of the disempowerment of of men right now is based in men's need to know paternity. Why paternity matters? Why paternity matters? The reason paternity matters is and this is from my my own research and from my own work. So let's just be a hundred percent clear about that is that it's my belief and I think a lot of other evolutionary psychologists believe is that that human males have an innate need to know paternity. They need to know that the kid is theirs because when we're talking about sexual strategies, men and women are different. Men have a different sexual strategy than than women do. And for one sexual strategy to be completed and fulfilled, the other one has to either abandon it or it has to compromise it. And it's it's my belief that if a man says, OK, look, I'm going to I'm going to follow along with hypergamy and we're going to have kids together and I'm going to be parental invested and we're going to settle down get married, have a kid and and live happily ever after. The only thing that I need from you is assurances that the kids are mine, that those kids they're passing on my genetic legacy. This is something that's like root level hindbrain for men is to know the game. Yeah, so that you have skin in the game because otherwise you're an evolutionary dead end. And it has to be that way because you want to, you know, perpetuate yourself, perpetuate your own genes. That's really men's men's imperative is unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. We rain that in and we say, look, you need to be under control in all of that. And if you don't believe me, just go and look at you understand why online porn is so popular right now. That's that's pretty much the basis of it. If men could have unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. That is a better reproductive strategy for them than to just settle down with one woman because they are giving up all of their access to other women to again reproduce for women. It's quality and not quantity for men. It's quantity and not quality. But if you're going to have a monogamous a socially reinforced socially enforced monogamy between, you know, between men and women where this is the deal, there needs to be some kind of at least contract between a man and a woman to know that his children are his. And the village today promotes this idea that paternity shouldn't matter to a guy. It shouldn't be it shouldn't be that big a deal. So we reinforce this idea that if you're a single father or if you if you married a single mother you're a hero because you stepped up and you took over the the parental investment responsibilities of another man for reproductive choice that you had no say in. You had no control and guys will ask me and say, well, you're saying that I'm a cuckold if I adopt kids. No, because that was your choice. You said, hey, you know what? Maybe I can't have kids but I really want kids in my life. I want to be a mentor. But you said if somebody marries a woman who's already had a child from another relationship you are you are. I think we need to expand the definition of cuckoldry. That we need to expand it to proactive cuckoldry and reactive cuckoldry. That comment on my program got so many people riled. I mean, it was just you want to talk about trigger. That was a trigger. Yeah, and and the reason for the reason I say that is because it's there's this promotion of this idea that if you're taking care of another man's child that you are in some way a hero. We also have OK, that's one aspect. If you don't believe me still don't believe me. Look at the laws that are on the books right now that prevent a an OBGYN doctor from informing the man that he's not actually the biological father of the child that the mother has put on the birth certificate. The right as it stands right now the father is whoever the man's name is that she puts on to that birth certificate. And what happens is it's a disenfranchisement and a disempowerment of men and having that basic paternal need met like to know that that kid is there. You had a story about a teacher a couple of weeks ago a 37 year old teacher she was having sex with a 13 year old boy. If that boy got her pregnant he's on the hook the next 18 years for the kid. Yes, that's insane. Yes, because we have and this is this is something my friend Dallrock on Dallrock's blog as mentioned several times is some time after the sexual revolution we moved away from a marriage based model of raising children to a child support based model of raising children. So what that means is it used to be marriage was the best way to like we tell guys all the time it's like don't get married don't get married don't get married unless you want to have kids because it's the best way to a two-parent family is the best way to have children you're going to have healthier kids and it's and it's statistically proven that that two parents produce more successful children. Well, that's great when you're telling guys this but yet even in spite of all of that all the all the cards all the paternity cards are still stacked against them. So when I'm looking at when I'm looking at these guys who you know the the genetic test 23 and me right where you find out you know where what's your your DNA background is and where you've been from you know your nationality or ethnicity and whatever guys are finding out more and more because of that test that they aren't the actual biological fathers of the children that they've been raising for the last 23 years I know what you're going to say right now is that one story about that guy who I think it was in great wasn't in the UK five kids not a one of them was his and not a one of them was his found out about it because he had some disease or something like that that was the guy with cystic fibrosis he had he had three kids and when he was diagnosed later in life with cystic fibrosis and the doctor goes I got bad news for you not going to be able to have kids he goes what do you mean and he goes he goes I've already got three sons he says no if you've got cystic fibrosis there's no way there's no way he's like no way so that then he tries to get the money back yeah in fact he was successful about it was it was about $250,000 in child support and you know it shouldn't matter you should still love them anyways no you lied right right well and then and but think about all the emotion that goes into that the emotion of you investing into the children for I mean the kids were grown right they're 22 23 years old so for the last 20 some odd years you're invested in their development and who they are and that's where we get to the cult of the child right and I've told you this before as we we have this idea the village has this idea that we have to do everything for the for the betterment of the child so even if you find out that the kid isn't biologically yours you're still on the hook for child support for that kid because it's in the best interest of the kid that's the other also the same answer that they give for doctors who find out that the father who's supposed to be the biological father is not is not actually the father and they prevent them legally from saying that because it's like you know patient client hippolos yeah hippolos right and and so you've got that as a legal you know a legal roadblock you've got the fact that we're we're reinforcing the idea that it doesn't matter whose kid it is what's in the best interest of the child and it's going against this evolved need for men to know what that what their actual paternity is and what I'm saying here is that first of all I think we need to open up the the definition of cuckoldry I think it should include retroactive cuckoldry along with proactive cuckoldry which would be like you know getting married having sex outside the marriage and then bringing the kids and saying the kids are yours like it's your baby and then there's the single mother side of of cuckledry where if you got a single mother and you've decided to marry her you are assuming the parental responsibilities and all the all the you know financial liabilities as well as emotional liabilities of kids that were reproduced was was a choice that she had made that you didn't have anything to do with I think that if you go and you expand the definition of cuckoldry I think it's a whole lot more well it would have to be right we would just we just said 43% of children are born out of wedlock so what that's saying is women it's your right to have kids it's your right to freeze your eggs it's your right to go to the sperm bank and decide you know whichever guy you want to reproduce with there you make it as easy as possible for men it is a privilege to be a father it's not a right to be a father it's a privilege to be a father and that's only if you are you're in keeping an inline with what the village would like you to be as a father if you're it's a it's an approval stage but getting back to we were talking about when it comes to marriage we tell guys like I am and let me just put this out here for the record because I'm doing this on on camera here but a lot of people think that I am against marriage that I think that it's a bad idea you should not do it it's a you know it's one of the worst decisions that a man can make and you would be right about that I do not endorse marriage but I myself have been in a marriage for 23 years happily married still married to this day raise a great kid you know with a beautiful wife and we're still very much in love and very happy with each other so guys say well that's confusing how come you how come you they say that's hypocritical yeah they say that's hypocritical and what I tell guys is that marriage in the in the idea marriage in the concept is a good idea it's what's monogamous marriage has been a bedrock of western civilization for a very long time at least since agrarian post agrarian days right and I think that marriage as an idea and as a concept is fantastic I think I think that that's the way it should be but right now it is that the prospects of marriage is one hundred percent responsibility and zero percent authority and when we talk about paternity and when we talk about how all the cards are stacked against a guy I can't endorse marriage in the way that we do it today I can't and by today I mean post sexual revolution with you know on-demand abortion uh divorce laws the Duluth model of feminism all of that kind of stuff so I can't I can't endorse marriage for a single man today although I think that if there were checks and balances like there used to be prior to the sexual revolution then yes it might be it might be one of the best things best decisions you've ever made but right now as it stands it is potentially the worst because your kids are not your own your money's not your own and you're on the hook for whatever debt she's incurred up to that point and whatever debt the kids incur and then you're also on the hook for you know you are a good parent or you are a bad parent by the way you guys out there that maybe aren't married yet and thinking about it this is serious advice before you before you time to not get a credit check on your soon to be wife it is an ongoing trend what you know if you've got a hundred thousand dollars in college debt the minute you say I do guess what that just became your community congratulations you just inherited all that and it's there's nothing wrong with actually looking into that so I'm looking at the clock here we're we're short on time I want to wrap this up what could the people in this room what can the men in this room the patriarchs in this room do to reclaim the authority to raise to mentor the next generation of men I think it's going to depend on you rearranging or like this is goes to what we were talking about it with Dr. Everett Piper it's going to take men to redesign this it's going to take a groundswell and a bottom up approach of men who say this I'm committed to raising a kid I don't care how it goes I need you know we need to be mentors not just for our own children but for kids that you know that aren't I I only have a daughter but I I still feel like I have a lot of sons because I have so many guys that that come and say hey man your work has changed my life right but I'm only one guy so there needs to be a an awareness and there needs to be action taken so for instance when we're talking about like well you can't you can't you can't alpha the state right because the cops will show up and they'll take you away well what if the cops are red pill what if the judge what if the judge that is at your divorce settlement what if that guy says you know what that's really messed up yeah what if that guy is ideologically what if his software is such that he is on board with what we're talking about here maybe the guys read the rational mail maybe the guys talk to somebody in this room how do we change things from the bottom up like I was saying before the MRA's want to change they don't want to change the laws and everything and okay fine but I think there is a greater potential in each one telling one that's why I've always encouraged that when it comes to my book is that you know hand off the book to the next guy who needs it who needs to understand the stuff have the conversations with them maybe he's going to reject it maybe he's not going to reject it but there needs to be the conversation needs to be had because we're not going to change we're not going to change these laws and I I hate to like I was joking around with with the guys last night at the dinner I said you know I don't want my what I'm talking about here to be some sort of downer for everything because everything's been very very positive but you've got to know what you're up against you have to know what the village has planned for you and has planned for your kids they don't want proper proper diagnosis 50% of the cure we're not diagnosing it correctly we're never going to fix it well you know G.I. Joe man and now you know and knowing half the battle what's the other half of the battle it's violence it's taking out I don't mean that literally I mean it's it's taking action it's going out there and doing something with this and and spreading I think it really raising awareness is is a a definite part of that solution another thing is to be that involved parent be that involved dad and and you know society be damned I think a lot of guys who really care about their kids you'll see them like actually going and kidnapping their kids as you get what what is it the the amber alerts or something like that when they're when they're kidnapping the kids I'm not saying go kidnap your kids I'm just saying that that's the kind of that's usually that's the kind of yeah that's a custody that's the kind of dedication you need to have as a father is to say you know what I I don't care about a world aligned against me I need to I need to you know be committed to what it is I'm doing if you guys if you guys are going to get married because you want to have kids and that's the primary reason guys tell me is that if that's the case understand what you're what you're getting into and have that commitment that no matter what you're there to be that kids that kids father and you're there to be other kids mentors like what is it a Jack Murphy and like they they're on you know little league teams that's one good example or maybe you you're in a community or maybe you have a niece or a nephew or whatever I'm not and I don't want to just say sons this is also for for daughters as well you need to be the change that you want to see in the world and I know that's like you know Muhammad Gandhi or whatever but you need to model that you need to say look you know I'm a a positively masculine man and benefited me I need to pass on my my values I need to go against the the the popular narrative of today because it's only going to get worse so you've got to be vigilant it takes it was it the cost of freedom is eternal vigilance it's got to be an eternal vigilance that you have with that kid and understand it doesn't end at 18 I'm sure you probably understand this as well because a lot of guy because we have this child support mentality rather than a marriage mentality we tend to think of things that well at 18 you know he's out the door I'm done with him it's a lifelong thing well the guys and I know guys personally they've they've married somebody who had a child out of wedlock and you know adopted that child raised that child as their own and you think at 18 well you know how hard could it be maybe a meter when he's like 7 or 11 or something how hard could it be 18 that that kid the kid kid goes the feral as you like to say will haunt you till the day you die and it's he's not even your flesh and blood or she's not even your flesh and blood but that you you got it people think guys guys guys and again once once we have sex with the woman we're not thinking rationally anymore we're feeling we're thinking like a woman thinks we're feeling and we don't anytime you make decisions based on feelings it never works out right it never works out right now out of time so I also want to just before we quit here I just want to say thank you for having us for for this one you know I like to have the conversation with you I hope that worked out for everybody as well they can catch they can catch Rolo and me every Friday on talk radio 1170 where Tulsa comes to talk Oklahoma comes to listen it's live streaming but we also podcast the page is the most popular download on our podcast page and then every Sunday at 430 p.m. Eastern episodes effect last week we did vetting yeah and I you know we're getting back to you what what can you do as a man this is what we are doing this is this whole organization everything that we're doing right now we're talking about the hemisphere we're just talking about a loose collection of guys who get together who share common beliefs and common values we don't all agree with each other 100% but we agree enough that we can make a change we can make a change in society we can make a change from the bottom up the the last thing I can leave you with here is each one tell one make that have that conversation with that guy and guys will tell me all the time it's so difficult to to unplug guys are they you know guys don't want to hear anything or you have like these Twitter battles or whatever whatever else it is understand that each little time you're doing that you're putting something else out there and you'll be you're you're you're making a change even if you don't think that you're making a change so what he represents is patriarchy we're here to do work as men as patriarchy there's nothing more natural than being a father