 Hello. Hello. Hello. Go lower. Hello. Hey, welcome back to our Stupid Direct Sub Corbin. I'm Indrani. I'm Rick. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, for more gypsy content. Oh, yeah. Thank you to everybody's supports on Patreon, follow us on Twitter, Twitter account, and subscribe if you haven't hit the like button because it helps the algorithm. Doesn't it, Indrani? Yes. Okay, good. Today, we are on to part do of part poop. Part do of the... Say it. Say it. For me, please, Indrani. You can read that. No, that word? Rendezvous. That's rendezvous? I've literally never seen that word spelled out in my entire life. You've never seen the word rendezvous spelled out? Why is there a Z in it? God, the English language fucking pisses me off. Well, it's because we're from other languages. There's no Z sound in that. It's a French orange. Don't get me started. I fucking hate English. Anyways, rendezvous with... Say it. Simigareval. It should be Andrika, not Simigarevalrika. Yeah, grammatically, it's entirely stupid, like rendezvous with a Z. But if you haven't seen our part one reaction... That should be spelled R-O-N-D-A-Y. I hate words that have, for no goddamn reason. No, there's actually a reason. No, there isn't. It's the etymology of the word. School. Right. It's from German. It doesn't matter. Why is it there? It does not matter. Spell it how it sounds. It pisses me off so much. Always has. It's probably because of my dyslexia. I'm like, it makes no sense why it's spelled that way. Anyways. It doesn't make any sense. And that's why English is one of the hardest languages to learn, because it's fucking stupid. Anyways, welcome back. If you haven't seen our part one reaction... And he calls me the old man who shouts at the sky. I literally thought that was that person's name. Ah, yes. I bet there is someone in the world named Ron David. Do you think it's spelled with a Z? Just a few babies were named COVID-19 after, you know, in the pandemic. Yeah. Or I think, yeah. Anyways. Corona and... The first part was really intriguing, and then we saw some snippets of what's in this part, and really intrigued. It's very 90s Oprah-esque. Yes. Lots of drama. Lots of white. Well, like way too serious asking questions. Oh, yes. Just deep staring into each other's eyes. Let's go. Larry King used to. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Larry King. Here we go. Great music. Great music. You know, I've known her for decades. She's a warm and wonderful person. Wow. That was an amazing, really fast part. Really fast part. So much. Tonight, I also realized that no one can move... She looked like an angel. Like the glow-binder. Like a real raker by somewhere in her fantasy. Odd. Ah, yes. Copyrighted. Yes. Take the sound out because... That's a great movie. We understand. Jane O'John, right? Wow. You remember the name right, John? No, John. No, John. In the 1980s, you were a bona fide star. Raker had arrived. But transformed. I mean, suddenly, this poshie teenager, Savin Palbham, vanished. She looks like Scythe's mom. But the magic wand, this new vision, appeared. How did it happen? I don't know. It just happened, I guess. I said, if there are so many people wanting to sign me and there are so many people wanting to have me in their films, I might as well do some kind of justice to it, you know? The way you developed, you'd not only started yoga, you'd perfected the art of makeup. It took me about two and a half years to really, really lose that, you know, that beach may binging and, you know, junk food and chocolates. And then slowly, I think, by the time Ghar was released, that's when so many people had hit them. Oh, she's really like overnight. It wasn't really overnight. Okay. It took about two and a half years. And what went into it? You know, those days, we did it all the wrong way. We had no idea that what I am today and what the knowledge that I have of food and it's not what I knew then. There you went on the starvation diet. Terrible. I used to have just these iron milk, you know, milk hoda, ilachi milk for months together. Just that. Yeah, I used to go on popcorn diets and, I mean, basically I used to starve. Which is the worst thing. I know. It worked for you because it made you look great. But in the words of Belly Crystal, it's better to look good than to feel good. Oh, she said, it looks great. It worked for you. What? It did work. Absolutely. These days, it's a whole different world. How did you learn to express yourself so well? Because the way you spoke also changed. Really? Yeah. Your voice changed. How so? There's a lot more refinement. Okay, I think it's as you grow up, as life thrusts upon you all the experiences, good, bad, ugly, you change. But I've always been someone who only focused on the plus points. Did you blank out the other? No. I don't blank it out. My energy is diverted towards just the positive. Positive. There is not a negative bone in my body. I know. There is nothing that I feel bitter about. You've always told me that. I don't think I made a conscious effort to change my voice or put that extra base into it. Or I just think, I am a very observant person. And anything that fascinates me, anything that impresses me, I just lap it all up. I just lap it up for life. And I just allow it to seep in and become a part of me. And that's what I've done. Did you read up a lot? Are you kidding me? I have never read a book in my entire life. In your life? In my entire life. Holy shit. Newspapers? Get me wrong. I have a whole library full of books. But they have to have pictures. Absolutely. If they have pictures, I don't mind, you know, browsing through them. But reading... Maybe I have this hang-up of school. Reading means studying. So I didn't want to ever read. What about the newspapers? Maybe she has ADHD. I've never read a single newspaper in my entire life. Did you know that about her? Are you mad? You think I'm going to lap up the news of all the things and get extra... Invite stress into my life? You keep your ears open. Listen to CNN. It's bad enough. I have never read a newspaper in my entire life. I'm very proud of it, though. But it works for me. It certainly works for you. I must tell you this, that... I've never read a book. There are lots of books that I know by heart. Ask me how. How? So I can read it out to you. Clever girl. For Zana. Audio books. She has ADD, I can tell. How all the films weren't your first choice. I mean, in a sense, you were forced to it as opposed to choosing it. When did you start enjoying it? You're not going to believe this. Not until... Hon Barimang. I didn't realize the value of being an actor. But when I went up on the stage and received my award... The audio just changed. It hit you then. The first time I realized... That was weird. The value of being an actor. It's like someone took the muck off of it. How much this profession means to me. What all it had given me. So all these years you were not passionate about cinema? Not at all. What films for you then? It was just something I didn't like doing. All these years? All these years. All the Umarajans and all the Salsalas and all. It was literally sleepwalking through that entire phase. So what were you hungry for, if not Stalin? I yearned for not a home because by then I knew that it's not easy to make a home. Meaning a husband, children, a family. It doesn't have to mean a husband. I mean independence was a huge thing. So I wanted to be on my own and have my own house and my own place, which I did. Is this going to be a long break? Yeah, so it's a full commercial break. Never read a book. Especially back then. Wow. What film is that? The Woman. Who's that? You're on screen with Amidji in 1976, which started with you and Johnny. And subsequently your off-screen association came in for a lot of speculation, which has continued over the years. What did his presence bring to you professionally? Well, as an actor, I was so-called reigning supreme. I had a right, so to speak. And in many ways I think I'm senior to him. But standing in front of Amitabh Bachandey, the ultimate actor, was not easy. I'm sure. Because the moment I came to know that Amidji signed for Doha and Johnny, I was so paranoid. Here, Divar had just released. He was this phenomenal success. And everybody was like, you know, Amidji, Amidji. And you didn't know him before then? Well, I knew him as Divar's husband. I mean, first of course, boyfriend and then husband. But I didn't know him otherwise, because we never really got a chance to sit and talk. But when I started working with him, I was so nervous. I remember once, I think I marked up my lines, and I was really nervous. He just says this baritone voice. So at least remember the dialogue. At least he learned the dialogue. After that... And then when I saw him and the way he worked and the way he was... as far as the directors concerned, it was all yours and concentration and so much respect. I had never seen that before with anybody else. So I really, really learned a lot. It changed my perception about what being on the sets. It was never a playground again. It was just unbelievable. It was something that I had to really sit up and say, Hello? What is going on here? It was just amazing. And for a girl who had no idea, you know, what professionalism is all about, what a baritone voice is all about, how perfect diction and perfect intonations and perfect attitude and personality, not to mention. Did you pick up these things from him? I think really speaking, how do you learn? By watching people? No, no. Also you have to look up to somebody. For sure. You have to appreciate somebody. You have to be fascinated with something which is over and above average. I'm not impressed with the ordinary. Me too. A mediocrity really bores me. So he was like something I'd never seen before. So I said, hey, you better learn and get your act together, or else I have never seen him ever express pain. Go to the horse, go to the mountain. Go to the snowy mountains. Whatever you do, never. No, never. During Ganges, that is Ganga Kichavan, he used to really be hurt. In fact, the dialogue is very ironically as soon as he grew up, he started praying. Like the more he got hurt, the more he learned to take it all inside and smile. That was something I also learned from him. And personally? Personally, I think you can say, see, when you are fascinated by something, subconsciously, without even realizing it, you just pick up everything. And when I found this person, and I've said this before, which I've never really, really met anybody like him, and mind you, he's a fellow Libran, you know, and so are you, but you are something else. What does that mean? Well, it's supposed to be something nice. I hope so. Nothing negative. No, come on. I feel about it. So, I said, Libra is fine. There are so many qualities that are special. They are made in the water. How come it is all filled and sent on top of each other? How can so many good qualities be best put upon one human being? Translates out of nowhere. People come in front of you. People come and go in your life. It is up to you to recognize who you choose to imbibe the good qualities and the better qualities. And how you want to allow that person to associate with you mentally, emotionally, physically, how much you want to learn from that person, how much you want that person to inspire you. It's all up to you. It's your choice. So right. It is absolutely your choice. And I'm not a fool. I'm intelligent. I'd like to believe so, at least. So when I see a good thing, I can recognize it. Nine films you did together. Ten, actually. That's a long association. You can say that again. So fascinated as you were. Did you in the process fall in love with him? Absolutely. That's a dumb question. I've yet to come across a single man, woman, child who can't help but fall completely. Passionately. Insanely. Desperately. Especially hopelessly. In love with him. Wow. So why should I be singled out? Yeah, but you were the one that was speculated about with him. You want to know the truth? Yeah. This is headlines, okay? There was never a personal connection with him. That's the truth. Never, ever. Never, ever. I mean, I've never existed in your life personally. Is that what you're saying? In my mind, as an actor, yes, definitely. But you've had no association with him at all. No. So all that in the years and years of speculations, rumors, you know, no truth in it? Not at all. It just doesn't happen. What can I say? Why did you just come out in tonight? It is not worth denying. What do I deny? I'm not in love with him? Of course I am. What do you say? I'm not going to go into being a diplomat and say, okay, there are different kinds of love. There is a mother love and there is a sisterly love and there is a fan love. You can take the love of the world and add some more, okay? I feel that for that person. Bottom line. Really? So that's not the point that you don't have to be associated with that person personally. You don't have to even have a conversation with the person, you know? To be able to allow that person to have a major influence in your life. Like you said, in a very profound moment, you carry that, if it's a negative moment, you become a serial killer, you know? And he himself doesn't remember it till somebody makes a lie on the couch and say, okay, go back, like you just did to me. But the fact remains that it's all a choice. It's the choices that you really make that really mold you to the person that you become, ultimately. And I made a choice and I'm glad I did. Boy, am I glad. The choice was? The choice was to be associated with a good human being like, oh, what more? A good human being. I can go on. By the way, is this a show about me or Mr. Weston? No, no. It's very much about you. But the rumors were just going wild and left and right and nobody ever came out with anything constructive. And which I think people needed some clarity on. Okay. Commercial breaks. Well, I've read interviews of her. When was this interview done? I think 90s. Got the other woman. So, do you meet him? Oh, yeah. I see him. Lots in functions. And these days, I really get to see him a lot. At the award functions, things like that. And that's it. Just at award functions. That's it. That's a lot. Again, I said, the moments have to be profound. You don't have to have a conversation or a rendezvous with Simi Garavall to know what Simi Garavall is all about as a person. You associate with that person in your mind, heart and soul. In my case, I'm so lucky that it's all in my mind. Because then, you can go crazy with your fantasies. What about the fact that he was a married man? How did that... No, that doesn't make any kind of a difference. Okay, let's take a religion, for instance. Take Islam, you know, Hinduism, moral. They're all religions. There's something to be respected. You can't say, this is Hinduism. You won't respect it. A rose is a rose is a rose. A human being is an interesting period. I want to be having the honour to be associated with this person. So, what is stopping me? Not here to go and, you know, break his home, so to speak. I'm here to be one of the lesser models who can just have a whiff of him and feel happy, you know. He's a very, very special human being. In case you don't haven't noticed. No, I haven't. I'm sure you have. Okay, is there a difference between you and J.I.G. and Amici? I'm sure you have. Because of those rumours? Not at all. Okay. Not at all. Desi Bhai is much more mature, much more together. I've yet to come across a woman who's so together. She's got so much dignity, so much class. She's got a lot of strength. I admire that woman. Remember, we had an association before the so-called rumours and the media messed up the whole image. We were living in the same building. And we had a relation. She was my Nidhi Bhai. She still is. No matter what happens, nobody can take that away. And, thank God, she's realised that too. I mean, whenever we meet, she's very sweet. She's not just civil. She's just herself. But do you think she remained unaffected by the rumours? Absolutely. She did. Among others, I mean, I'm not the only one who was associated with it. Let's face it. There were so many other women. I'm not going to name them. No, we weren't good. There were millions and millions and millions of them and they continued to be, you know, often on-screen or whatever. But I don't think she's a petty person. I mean, I don't think she's so insecure to begin with. No, I don't think she's either. No. And if a woman is secure, it's really, the man has given her the security, the feeling of security. Not necessarily. No? No. Not necessarily. It's got nothing to do with a man. It has to be doing everything with the person that she is. But listen, there must have been some effect of these rumours and stories, whatever we say, because if they hadn't happened, today you could have still been his co-star. You think that's the reason he's not working with me? Then why? No. I don't think it's because of what it press, you know, to make all of us. It just so happened. If anything, it's a plain simple fact that maybe something great didn't come along. You feel that's the only reason. Oh, yeah. I know that's the only reason. This kind of fascination, love, hopelessness, desperateness, as you said, all these things, to have invested so much time in it and so much for yourself, is it worth it? I have to correct you that it wasn't so much time at all, it was a moment. Okay. And that moment was so profound. My life took a 360-degree turn. If it was one life-defining moment, it was when my senses registered that he is so different from everybody else. And he can be a positive influence to not only me, but the likes of me and some. So now, you don't have to meet anyone. Meet someone? Meeting, like you guys don't meet. He's a very sweet human being. He's a wonderful and his memory is very sharp. So whenever Namaste, that one Namaste sets it all, you know. That's enough. That's more, are you kidding me? If he never opened his mouth other than his dialogue ever and never ever saw me, it's okay. Yeah. It's no effect. And that person is totally oblivious to it. He has no clue. But I'm just one of them. And you're happy with that. Brilliant. More than happy. You know why? Whatever I have made myself today is only from that one whiff that I've got. I have the power to be able to do that. And maybe it's all in the mind, it's your imagination, but that can last me a lifetime and many more lifetimes. The trigger for someone like you is really a dilemma because the men in the industry are all married. At least my age group are all married. The non-film people just don't know how to deal with a star. Because they don't have any clue what our life is all about. Because when you're an actor, you know the ups and downs, you know what you're dealing with. It's better than non-criminal Malibu. That's why actors marry actors, it works. It works. Actors marrying directors also works. As long as you're in the film industry. Yeah. But somehow an outsider, no matter how big an industrialist he is or how much money he's making he's so far away, removed from reality. Whatever reality an actor is, actually they're not any different from them. Deep down you're all human beings. I think we all need the same thing to be understood, to be loved, to be appreciated, to be able to be validated. But somehow the lads scream and of course the media doesn't help at all. It just paints a different picture, a completely different picture. You see people fall in love with the image of Rekha, the fantasy of Rekha. Tell me one person who's even falling in love with an image. Oh, I'll tell you somebody who's not married. Oh, no. Then one person. Just one person. All married. All married. I'm sorry. Most married. Thanks a lot, Sumi. Okay, I'll look around at the others. But I want to... Don't. Actually don't. I would first ask you, has anybody ever connected to the realness? I think it has to be both ways, you know. If you don't take one step forward that person will not take another. And I am to blame. I do confess and I do agree. I want my other friends and my girlfriends to meet or anybody else. They were married at a very young age, early age. Yeah. So they went partying or socialized or whatever. Which came very naturally to them. That's right. I was single and I didn't have somebody to take me out on a date. That's right. Or take me out for dinners or have a social circle, so to speak. That kind of life. In 1990, you took another gamble for happiness again. When you married Mukesh Agarwal. Beginning, yeah. And then again, at the end. I mean, I guess they saluted down to make it look like she had a deep thought about it. Granted, when this came out it just came out of probably one part on television. Of course. Three parts on YouTube. Right, right, right. No, there's a third part, yeah. That's intriguing. There's a lot there. This is very, this is very 90s Oprah. Everything is, one, how we talked to each other was very different back then. Like the stuff that's deemed appropriate to like, converse about in terms of like, what a interviewer can ask an interviewee about their personal life. Like a lot of that's kind of like, off limits now. But this is also, what were you reading over there while she was talking about, Amitabh? Well, I had, because this is 90s. Yeah. Was this 90s? I think it was late 90s. Alright. I guess, but anyways. I had read an interview somewhere and it was red. I didn't hear it come out of her mouth so it could have been a lie. But I had read an interview where she didn't just confess to her love for him but where she had confessed that they had had an affair. You had read that? I had read that somewhere. Again, people lie. Yeah. So, and it's also strange. I didn't fully understand the answer she gave in regard to why she never refuted the allegations. Did you understand that? Me? Anybody? No, I was, I... Yeah. Her answer to that, oh yeah, it's just not, the mics decide to not work sometimes. Hola. Yeah. Hello, hello, hello, hello. Hello. Hello. Okay. Hello. Sorry guys. Yeah, I didn't, when she asked her the question about why all of those years when those rumors and speculations were circulating did you not deny it publicly? She said that, this is what she said. Yeah. It was that she didn't feel there was any reason, like she didn't, like it was, what did she say? Why would she validate it with an answer is basically what she said, because it was so ridiculous is what she says. She's the one that it happened to, so obviously she's the person that you, I guess you should take her word. I don't know anything, so I can't be like, oh, that's a lie. Right. Obviously I know what everybody has said, obviously. Right. And it is obviously interesting that they have not worked together or anything since, and I've not seen them together, even though she says they've been together many times in terms of like award functions or other stuff like that, but yeah, she says what she says. Yeah. She's the one it happened to. Right. So it's, who am I to say anything, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it is certainly interesting, because at times just be based off of what you know, it's like, hmm, are you, are you just saying this? Are you just, who knows? I don't. No. I don't know anything. I just know all the rumors that have, well, I don't know all the rumors. Who else was Amitani? Supposed to be involved with, because she says there was a lot of people that were, they both seem to know. I know that a lot of actresses, women had crushes on Amita, but Rekha and Amita was the sparkling bear that everybody, you know, sometimes wished that they were together because they looked so good and then that's how the affair rumors were starting and I was so young back then, I would just listen to my family of what, you know, they were. And that happened with SRK Kajal? Or no? Did that never happen? I don't know that one. In terms of the, the affair rumors. That I don't know. I've heard affair rumors with people with Shahrukh Khan, people with Akshay, people with Saif, people, basically any, lead actor. I've heard, whether they're true or not, I think with all of them, at least the big ones. I don't think I've heard like an affair with Ranveer. It's more the older ones. It's the older ones. Yeah. Of the SRK, someone Khan, generation and before. Yeah. I've heard stuff about them, the newer ones, like Shahade, even though there might be like Shahade's, the Ranveer's, Ranveer I just know was, he was a ladies man, he kind of just dated everyone. Yeah. But I don't, I don't remember, but all the older ones I think I've heard stuff about. Which is interesting. And then also that she's never read a book. Yes, that one. That was shocking. I haven't physically read a ton of books. I have listened to a lot. That's more of my ADD, ADHD. It's very difficult. What she said is actually very true. She says it feels like school if I have to sit down and read a book. That's very true. So I wouldn't shock me if she has ADD, ADHD or something like that. Yeah, maybe so. She doesn't, to sit down, I love listening to books. And like when I, where I did Uber Eats or Postmates or Amazon, I love to listen to audio books. Yeah. You had so much time to do that. But yeah, the fact that, especially in this time, so she grew up in what, 60s, 70s, 80s or whatever that was. That was, that was book time. Yeah. There were no real audio books at that time. But she did say the reason she can get books read is she does have somebody read them to her. That's also weird. Yeah. No, my sister would read me novels. Really? Yes, yes. Because, yeah, I mean I just, because I guess I liked the fact to listen to somebody reading and I would, you know, go into the imagination world and anyways. There was also a very odd statement of every man, woman and child has fallen desperately, hopelessly and madly and passionately in love with Amitabh Bachar. She used a lot of adjectives. Yes. And included everyone on Earth of all age ranges. I mean at that time you could probably make that statement in India about Amitabh and SRK. Well, this probably, I bet this was before SRK made his, because that was like 95 where he really took off, right? I guess. DDLJ time. Yeah. But, yeah, I guess Amitabh was the man in India. So. The angry young man. Like who was that in the 90s in Hollywood? Or a little before that? Tom Cruise? No. He was 90s, right? Oh, he was 80s. That's when he's 90s. 80s was when he got his big start. That's when he did with Brad Pitt. Like, no, this was before Angel and Friends. I mean, not that he was in Friends. Jennifer Einstein. Oh, sorry. No, like, Risky Business in these films. Are they really? Yeah. God, he's old. Yeah, that was an interesting statement, too. Yeah. The fact that she used so many adjectives. Yes. And including men, women, and children. It doesn't help her case. No. Because when you do that, that's like a symptom of like you're trying to like make this thing. No, and I, I, I appreciate her honesty. I know if I had worked with an actress who said the feelings that she was saying she felt, I would be very hesitant to work with that actress again. Yeah. I mean, she clearly loves him. Yeah. Oh, with unashamed bravado. I think if he wasn't with Jaya, they probably might have been. She would a hundred percent. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know what he is. She's just honest about it. There are some, I have a couple of friends. They like just the idea of love and they just fill themselves with romance but all alone. And that's enough. And that's enough. And that's that because I've even heard them say to me that if I go into a relationship with the guy or girl that I'm attracted to, that relationship will be now in reality and it would suck in my head. It's a, it's a novella. It's a beautiful film that I get to experience every day all alone. It's called there was a term what I'm you know, you call them Mirabai or you're just in love with the idea of love and that is, that entertains you in your own head. So, and that's what they all want. So I, I get the feeling whenever I looked at or listened to Rekha and especially in this interview just feels that she just loves being in love with Amitab and is in her head and that's a beautiful place to be and that's And this is also very different. Watch interviews that are more personal about people because that's not usually what I'm interested in. No, I've been waiting for and I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think you're going to talk about craft. I don't think you're going to get in this. This is 90s. This is just the kind of talk show is just all about personal and gossip more than really anything of substance in terms of like profession. That's what these shows were for. Yeah, exactly. Back in the day. It's different for us. I would much rather listen to her talk about the craft than her personal life because I don't much care about anybody's personal life. Except for mine. Everybody else can fuck off. Anyway, on to part three.