 Hello everyone and welcome back to the ether the podcast all about the upcoming the third person mobile ethereal clash of souls I'm your host the mangoes joining me on this journey as my friend and co-host jelly knees jelly how you doing I'm great man goose I'm stoked for this week because this is what I do on a daily basis for ethereal every time I see something it just becomes like what's the theory behind it so I'm ready yes you are the like king of ethereal conspiracy theories everybody goes to you whenever we did that livestream with the test like you were everybody's freaking hero because you just had this massive list of like hard-hitting questions like what is this what is this what is this everybody's like yes keep going jelly dude it's because that's the questions I've been asking myself for two years so it's like okay so now I have the opportunity right the free reign but okay so this week first we're going to start off they did do a new ethereal fun facts which is something jelly not kind of knew about already and pretended we didn't know but we're going to cover it this time we have insider information no you're you're telling me tell me it's not so sometimes we know stuff but we pretend like we don't know stuff right it happens it happens but we're going to go over that and then uh we are however going to go over a lot of stuff that we don't know we're going we're the theme of this episode is unsolved mysteries we want to talk about various things that have been hinted at but uh very very little information has come out about so uh and uh jelly knees is the datamine expert he's been uh I don't think we want to say that too loud there but you want me to edit you want me to edit that out it's fine it's fine but uh first of all let's talk about the ethereal fun facts uh they said that every hero we were talking last last week about Dante's right click being a risk reward sort of ability and it seems like every single hero is going to have an ability like that that is high risk high reward jelly take it away dude I'm so stoked for this yeah my like I said last week my favorite thing is counterplay so when you're creating counterplay moments in a character's kit by themselves that just is opens up so many avenues for like cool things to happen where you you see that Dante used his right click right and you're like oh he can't auto land you just get the cool play diving in on him while he can't do anything uh just it sounds like it's going to create some super good clips it's going to be incredible yeah or you you see a Dante going for it and you're on Dante and you roll just as he starts that fire so he misses all those shots and then you have yours up and you just finish him off yeah that'll be cool stuff I'm however I'm a what they go ahead with it yeah as far as the other heroes or other myths I mean yeah and what the the constraints if any are I like how because so the the issue with that is power creep could very much become a thing with right click abilities yes it's it's the super strong thing but it has a super big downside so it's this weird give and take that they're going to have to find a really solid balance on just like everything else in this game really so I really am hopeful that they can do it and it would be really cool if they can but it also could become a large issue at the same time that's that was about what I was about to say it's my concerns it's going to be a very difficult balancing problem um how big of a handicap guy do you have to put on that that reward like you it's going to be hard to make the downside meet the upside with the upside still feeling powerful um I talked about it a little bit of video recently about Revenant Morgash how epic tried to balance them by giving them handicaps but they gave them bullshit handicaps the handicaps weren't actually existent they they were very easy to bounce back from so the the risk did not match the reward so it's going to be hard for them to to do that yeah I mean you don't want such a high reward ability that it's just using it just isn't a downside because you're automatically going to kill your target you know what I mean so I don't know I have faith in them I have faith that they will be able to balance it out and when we're coming into this it's going to be pre alpha it's going to be the first time masses of people have gotten their hands on it so there's plenty of time for that I iron it out if it doesn't match up hopefully and I'm pretty sure they will undying games will listen to us a little more than epic games listen to us with Paragon hopefully yeah the other thing with those abilities is so not only can you do you put you can't put these these bs handicaps on them but also you can't make the risk outweigh the reward of it at the same time otherwise you'll never use the ability because it's just not worth it and so it's it's the that line is going to be have to be so carefully tread in order to find the balance between the two things that it's going to be interesting to see what they do and what I think when we see the kits for the other six myths in the pre alpha I think that'll give a lot of perspective of what abilities will look like on a right click and give us a better perspective of like the scale is it always going to be high damage but you lose out on something is it always is it tied into more than that or what I'm curious to see what they're going to do with those I would like to see a claret class have a right click that sacrifices their health to give this somebody else I think that would be a cool risk reward sort of thing I like that I'm not sure we have anybody thematically that that could tie into though uh maybe marina she gives she gives her water to you that's gross don't think about that too hard I have a dirty water out of her own body into yours oh yeah great really top notch ability that she dries up and dies the poor marina mains out there okay um so is that you want to move on to the uh to some of the mysteries that we have here absolutely so the first up we have to have this teaser image and um I don't like to get too visual on the show but if you're watching and we have the image up right now if not it's an image of what did they say it was jelly it said it was a passive some it was uh they haven't at all yeah they didn't have it they didn't say at all when it was in the discord dropped the image and that was it wouldn't give any information wouldn't give any anything I'd basically just let people like me lose our minds over the course of the next several days trying to figure it out I was telling us the story earlier on uh earlier this week on discord in their discord talking about how when this image first dropped page was here with me and I pulled it into photoshop and I was zooming in trying to find like any little detail I was trying to recreate the colors by so removing that section pixel by pixel go through and recreate the image oh it was it was a thing and uh my determination for it is it's an ability of some kind used by someone in ethereal yeah that is correct so uh if you can't see right now it's like a there's an it's an ability wheel it's like a wheel and it's got a symbol in the middle which looks like the marksman um class symbol and then this wheel has six selections and they're all various myths from ethereal and um and one of them is highlighted malaya is highlighted so I don't know what this could possibly be I really think it's I I guess I thought it was a passive because in my mind I think it is probably a passive um I mean bear in mind this is whatever this is isn't finalized at all I mean it has the myth Owen who uh to if I believe correctly is no longer going to be a part of the game but um they have Owen's picture on that wheel so it's definitely not anything finalized and we can get just a little tiny glimpse in the bottom left corner even though Owen tried to try to scribble it out with with some red ink you can see a little bit of red so I think that it's probably malaya or Dante I would even though both are represented on the wheel I would completely agree with that and I think I think Owen's tried to fake us out by making us believe that this is the marksman passive the class passive where you can select somebody who more damage I think that's a fake out I don't have very good reasoning behind it other than it feels like something Owen would do where he thinks because we know about the marksman class passive and this image is six people you can select one of them right and and like you said the symbol in the middle is kind of reminiscent of the marksman class sigil icon yep everyone um I think it's just trying to fake us out enough and but you're right the red in the bottom left of the image hints towards malaya or Dante um I think Owen is making the big brain play and has malaya selected because that's who it's for yeah and that it's just him selecting malaya as like you would as a marksman and you're selecting malaya but that's him saying like this is for malaya that's that says I'm 99% sure that this is a fake out and it's not the marksman passive oh you could be right you could be right I don't know and that's the only characters we have that have those red aesthetics currently that will be in pre-alpha are Dante and malaya yeah the thing that uh was brought up to me is that the red in the bottom left could be a skin for one of the seven pre-alpha characters oh yeah and it could completely just throw off everything we just said and Owen and Owen's probably just a little cackling at as far I'm sure he is but I didn't even think of the skins I didn't and everyone's gonna have one skin in pre-alpha so we know that they're there they're existent in some way yeah yeah no I just want to know I don't even care who it's for I just want to know what the ability is for more than anything let us know in the comments guys what you what you think it is please I will take any ideas I need to regain some sanity and then we have a a hidden message jelly you want to tell us about that so this message is if you go you access the sources for their website update for phase one this is listed in the sources and I combed through the actual code itself to try and figure out how this works and found something saying it was timed there was a timer set so I left the page open for a while and somebody on the discord mentioned this as well after in my testing 15 minutes and 14 seconds this image appears oh instead of the whatever the website says step into the light I think is what it is yeah so the the ethereal clash of souls step into the light is there when you bring up the page initially after 15 minutes and 14 seconds that fades away and the devour the old reborn the new appears in the middle of the screen uh I originally thought this was just like a little Easter egg that they threw in yeah and this week Sinist Virtue reached out to me which is from the ug team and specifically asked if I knew it was there which just set my theory brain off because I'm like okay why are you asking me about this it was nothing you wouldn't care but maybe you it is nothing and you're just trying to make me freak out about it and think about all the implications uh but what do you think man goose what do you think this means if anything uh we talked about a little this before we started recording and I think the second part doesn't make sense reborn the new if it's new you can't be reborn because it's new you can't have something new being reborn but yeah my my theory was it means they're going to devour all the old mobas and start a new with their own awesome MOBA that that was my theory I don't I hope that's it that they just send this to all the other MOBAs and be like yeah this is our this is our thought process about you and have them all wonder why it says we're born the new and then Dota comes back and goes what is reborn the new me so I was thinking about this a lot when I found it and it's to me it could be a motto of some bigger entity in the ether okay in that so it's devoured higher than a myth yeah so I'm thinking one of their deities okay I'm thinking that one of them it's kind of the to me it feels like a very take over kind of phrase that they're going to get rid of the old ways and then create their their own way the better way kind of ideals and maybe that's just the deity phrase across the board that that's just the thought process behind all of these deities and why their followers follow them is that their way is going to abolish the old way and then start a new with their own ideas or whatever you want to call it maybe it's malware hacking into a theory website oh my god okay that's that's what malware is all about is devouring the old giving birth to the new thing and hit the new order of malware they know that I look through their source files all the time malware is a code oh man goose you just broke my brain here this is why they asked me if I oh oh no oh dear lord okay I'm to come on everything again I think we figured out why I get your camera coming in all pixelated it's because you're you are pixelated now a little bit you've been infected with malware a little bit oh my god that's so brilliant oh very much like sombra did with overwatch when she released she's their hacker character so yeah hacked all of their stuff and was leaving a little bit oh a theory okay your sons of bitches so much for sleeping tonight it's fine I didn't whatever oh I'm so good at making you uncomfortable so good it's kind of uncanny uh all right but before my brain explodes let's move on to a different theory that made my brain explode the overseer class yep this is the eighth class in ethereal will not be present in the pre alpha it is still confirmed that they are working on it that it exists there is an overseer class still in existence it didn't just get removed but we don't know any details about what character is going to be in that class or what the class ability itself is what do you yeah we don't know any passives or anything yeah what do you think the I guess we'll start with the class ability what do you think the class ability could be I don't know see when I when I think overseer again I bring up this other game too much but here's the storm has a hero called abathur this is the first thing I thought of when I saw overseer was abathur but then I asked oh and I was like hey man um overseer is that going to be anything like abathur and he said who the fuck is that but he didn't say who the fuck is that but he said he didn't know who abathur was oh it doesn't talk like me nobody talks like me but um so abathur and here's the storm like he takes three hits to kill but you never see him he's like not he goes somewhere where he has vision on the battlefield wraps himself in a cocoon and then he can lay land mines all over the map or he can um do a symbiote where he put like he kind of attaches himself to another hero and he can't move them around or anything but he can fire from atop that hero and give them extra abilities and stuff so that's what I'm thinking it will sort of be as somebody that can place traps around the map perhaps place um like healing packs around the map we did see that healing globe in the uh in the demo maybe they could drop healing globes you know in places where people it'll be beneficial for the team and uh perhaps even um make their presence known on top of a of a of a myth and you know use them as a turret to fire so that was my idea just because you know I'm just basing it on my expectations of how abathur plays in here's of the storm that of course doesn't at all mean that that's what it's going to be in uh in ethereal jelly I know you've got a million theories on ever seers what you got buddy so my thing my theories start because of the symbol that they have for overseers it's kind of like a lizard's eye in the crest that they have to me that's a hint towards it's some kind of vision um whether that be a denial of vision uh extra access to vision or what that may be um the theory that I've always kind of I guess personally had head canon for what an overseer is is that they're going to have uh if you think something like rainbow succeeds you have cameras spread around the map that you can access and look at that area without having to be there but they're going to have some kind of access to towers eyes of sauron if you will that they will be able to just see specific spots of the map using their class ability at all times without award being there that they are kind of the information uh person on your team that will have constant awareness or will rather need to have constant awareness to be the most effective of the map something I heard somebody say while back is that they could also have some kind of uh some kind of drone eagle bird spirit whatever you want to call it fly around the map that they can control so when they step into they they press their class ability and they become this spirit that then can free fly around the map and look out at everything and gain awareness then when you repress you go back to your character and maneuver according which I thought could be a really cool idea and it kind of ties into that risk reward factor that we've been talking about of that you leave your body behind but you have the ability to just gain vision at will basically yeah throughout the entire map that's a cool idea but we have no information again it's another one of those things that they're keeping very tight lips yeah and I I think go ahead I think it'd be neat if they could take over turrets like towers and stuff and um just the fire like specifically maybe increase the tower range and specifically direct the fire of the targets I think that would be a kind of a neat thing that they would be able to do that way like if you think if you're pushing up with your minions you think you're you're safe from tower damage all of a sudden the overseer overtakes that tower and starts pinging you down instead of the minions well that could be taking you by quite a surprise that could be a good counter to what we were talking about last week of the potential for if it's double jungle for a lane to become a 3v1 if you have an overseer that can just jump into your turret you essentially balance that out to a 3v2 it's still not perfect but it's that quick assistance that you can get from somebody that may not be nearby you which could be a cool idea and I don't know there's a lot of I have no idea where overseers potentially even could fit on the map and it grants it's more it's based on what their class ability is going to be I think if they're heavily vision based it'll probably be junglers more often than not because that's just the most potential to use their vision type deal but we have zero idea they could be another support class for all we know I just I don't think that they will they will physically be on the map that's that's the that's my one theory that I'm going to stick to I don't think they're physically going to be on the map I think they're going to affect the battlefield in other ways and the downfall of that will of course you have one less body in a team fight unless they can somehow so they're going to be some kind of like spectator ask a spectator that can that can influence the map by like I said setting traps in certain areas or throwing down healing in certain areas and then every once in a while taking over a tower or something like that I really like that actually and it's yeah it's one of those things where it the the hard part with doing something like that is you're essentially telling somebody like you don't get to play the game in the same way as the other five people on your team but if that's how the game is built around that's also a cool idea that it's it's 5v5 with one extra spectator the I mean oh okay now that you're getting my brain to fire the whole thing of like the deities watching over everyone the overseer could act as that deity in your your way of like that they're flying over the map keeping control of larger elements than just a single character there were just there would have to be some way that you could kill them though like maybe whenever they do something like possess a tower or something or maybe I don't know there's a couple ways you you can do it I suppose it's all very interesting and yeah it seems like they're ramping up or more things to happen soon I mean we are phase one of the website and we know in theory phase two will be a huge release of information yeah the first release of the very first time they released that website that was a massive influx of information yeah I mean the it was the class abilities I think were the biggest thing that they revealed in that yeah we got class abilities we got class passives atropos we got a bunch of lore about the the various regions all kinds of stuff more information about the characters backgrounds and all that and yeah I'm excited they've been really putting a lot of emphasis on this new website which I like I think that's a great idea it's a great way to hype the game but not directly like it's this weird it's a path we're following their path of leading to the release of the game and I think this is a good like next step in that that evolution of waiting for the game to come out yeah so real quick I do want to go back to the website something I thought about with this hidden image that pops up after 15 minutes and 14 seconds super like probably not but it's it would make me die a little bit inside if it was true if the website phase one to phase two this the difference is 15 days I will lose my mind just because it's a the 15 minute wait to get the new image and then 15 days after phase one phase two begins and my little nerd heart will explode just saying like it's just what is that movie 27 yes oh that's you that's you it's hot dude it's the pepe silvia always sunny in philadelphia meme that's me 100 of the time with this game oh um did you have anything else to say about overseers I think that's it for overseers I can't wait to see more about what they might do and I think I mean if you guys watching have any ideas leave them in the comments for sure like I love reading other people's thoughts about what overseers could be and all that please please do I want to I want to see all that information and then I want to go back after we know what they are look back through these comments like that guy was right yep that guy was on it that girl had it had it all time we find out it was somebody from ug under a different name they're just teasing us the whole time yeah it was we told you a long time ago exactly what it was all right we have one last thing on here to talk uh yeah I think we got time to talk about this and it's the mini map and how the mini map will function how the hell are they going to do a mini map for three lanes that float atop each other go ahead I'll let you theorize first I think it really comes down to if the lanes are the same shape I think if the lanes are the same shape it'll be fairly easy to do but we we do have no idea maybe the top lane is a completely different layout than the middle lane which is a completely different layout from the bottom lane so without knowing that it's kind of hard to theorize on what they could possibly do what do you think they could do for a mini map my I've got two ideas and I'm not sure I like one of them so I'll leave it for the second one but the first idea is that you just destack them and sit them right next to each other on the mini map and granted that depends on size of the lane because if one if like the bottom lane is super large and compares into the super skinny other lanes then that won't work because you'll take up a huge chunk of your screen that way but if they're I'll say relative lane size comparatively to other MOBAs in theory you could just destack them and put them next to each other and then just make sure you're identifying which is which lane because the other theory I had is you leave them or you make it that there's a button and you switch between each lane's mini map whether that be that might be a nice option to have something it would other than at a glance you can't see vision of other lanes right it's the having to press whatever button that would be in order to if I have to scroll four times to see the top lane and then I see oh the sky slayers in top lane now I can go in on my guy that's a lot of time before I can just do something that I have to quickly scroll through see the sky slayer put it back to my lane so I can watch it and then engage on whatever I was going to do and to me that's a lot of downtime to force on somebody rather than just making it perfect at a glance that you can just see oh sky slayers there go okay yeah but I like that idea of being able to flip the lanes yeah I feel like it's very interesting and maybe it's a setting both ways whereas like somebody like like me that would prefer to see it all at a glance can have a larger mini map on my screen or that you can toggle a setting and then it's a you flip through the individual lanes my idea was to just if somebody's in a different lane then they're just a little bit grayed out kind of like mini maps in the world of warcraft like if you're looking for mining nodes if there's one that's underground it's a little bit of a different color than one that's above ground and then they could also just do you know to like just put a number beside everybody's portrait on the little mini map you know one for first level two for second level three for third level so that you could tell at a glance where they were I think that would they would need to do something about with with color though also because you know at a glance you're not you just kind of flick to the mini map with your eyes right like sometimes you watch it intently but most time you're just flicking to it and they need to be able to provide us a way with one small glance to give us the information that we need so it's going to be a huge challenge for them I can't wait to see what they actually come up with again if you guys have ideas if you have if you if you know of other games that with a similar layout that have have mini maps and uh just just let us know how they've done it in those games the only one I could take up again was World of Warcraft but and the other thing they have others out there that I don't know how it would fare it would be one of those things you have to wait and feel it before you could really determine is that only you can only see the mini map in the lane you're present in and then you're relying on your teammates for the other information from the other lanes okay it promotes that team play aspect but it kind of removes the feeling of being able to solo carry because I can't just watch the other lanes maps I have to wait for them to tell me so it's that that definitely give and take vibe where if they're going for a like we want everybody to play as a team as much as possible then that would make some amount of sense I guess but I don't know for sure we would definitely need I think you would definitely have to have voice chat for something like that yep I agree yeah our callouts just wouldn't be enough to relay all the information that you'd want to give I'll just be the guy in the in-game chat that just spams my discord link join my discord we have to talk to each other jillie needs ttv I'm a malaya main thank you very much okay well you will be a malware main soon me I don't get me started I'm not gonna sleep much tonight I'm watch tomorrow you know I'll just say it now tomorrow I'm gonna come out with a video about the website and it's just gonna be brain vomit because I'm just gonna lose my mind all over it all right I think that's about it for this week yeah yeah unless you got something else no not at all all right uh plugs jelly you got anything to plug uh the youtube video where I absolutely lose my mind on the website because by the time this goes out I will have that out 100 so yeah the jelly knees I don't know what how youtube does their links anymore just search jelly knees on the youtube search bar it comes up any streams going on this week yeah break back to regular stream schedule so twitch.tv slash jelly knees I know how that one works what you streaming streaming godfall this week I'll probably do some talks about ethereal stuff about the website and just talk to anyone in the community that wants to come ask questions and yeah mostly I think godfall in that yeah I'm going to continue my uh the pathless playthrough I meant to play some more today and I wasn't able to but uh yeah we'll look out for that if you want to watch that um I had some sound issues with the first two episodes so I think I have that all fixed up now so look forward to that and uh before we go I will say we were talking about numbers earlier and how you often see stuff that isn't actually there your your your brain just kind of misinterprets it I passed this sign at work at least once a week for about a year in this town and it said 3.14 will divide and I thought it was a sign advertising pie I'm like why the fuck does this podunk ass town have this signed advertising pie in the middle of fucking nowhere they had a lot that was 3.14 acres large and they were willing to divide it to sell it or some random sign just you know pie just why not let's say 3.14 we'll divide you divide I thought this was gonna start with another one of your like crazy conspiracy theory no it's just me being stupid actually that was me being too smart for what I was looking at anyway that is gonna be it for internet either this week thanks for joining us thanks for hanging out leave your comments down in the comments 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