 Good evening everyone and thank you for attending tonight's meeting to those that are watching at home I also extend our thanks to people watching at home before we begin the meeting there's a couple of things we generally do one and that's our city clerk reads a quote for the week but I'd also like to make a public announcement that the Sheboygan transit public information meeting will be held on Wednesday July 5th at 10 30 a.m. to noon and then at 6 p.m. through 7 30 p.m. at the meet public library the Roca room and this is to solicit your input on changing the bus routes there's a transit development program plan that's put in place through a series of years and one of the things that they look at is is that route effective and efficient and they need your input so everyone is invited to attend those two meeting public sessions city clerk rotation life is constantly testing us for our level of commitment and life's greatest rewards excuse me our reserve for those who demonstrate a never-ending commitment to act until they achieve thank you very much call the 7th regular meeting of the common counsel or before I ask for the road call I should note that Alderman Vander wheel will not be present today he is his grandmother passed away and we extend our deepest empathy to Alderman Vander wheel and his family please call it over boran burg sirda davis absent an excuse gruff hannah kittleson clonus mani Meyer Montemayor Ratke Ryan Susha Vander wheel excuse and verhastled 14 quorum is present now it's time to pledge your allegiance to a beautiful country we live in I'd ask Alderman gruff to please lead us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank y'all we're gonna pull the minutes president Burke yes thank you and I approve I moved to put that the minutes be approved as entered on the record motion of the second any discussion of the minutes there'll be a none all those in favor state aye aye any opposed motion carries minutes stand to prove confirmation of mayor's appointments attorney McLean thank you your honor Thomas Leonard to be considered for appointment to the joint municipal court advisory committee as a representative for the village of Kohler term will expire on 4 30 0 8 and David gas to be considered for appointment to the joint municipal court advisory committee as a representative for the city of Shboygan whose term will expire in 4 30 0 8 signed by the mayor I'd ask for a motion to confirm we should it's been made in second under discussion there being on all those in favor state aye any opposed ocean carries come appointments confirmed crystal seabird to be considered for appointment to the Blue Harbor resort convention center committee to fill the unexpired term of Claudia Reinbold whose term expires 4 30 0 8 and Vicki Hall be considered for appointments of the Board of Parks and Forestry to fill the unexpired term of Daniel Verhassel whose term expires 4 30 0 7 signed by the mayor as for a motion to confirm motion in second any discussion there being on all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries appointments confirmed and Thomas libel to be considered for appointment to the marina and harbor committee to fill the unexpired term of trig Jacobson whose term expires 4 30 0 7 signed by the mayor and if you will please excuse me as Tom Lebel and not asked for motion to confirm second under discussion there being on all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries appointments confirmed thank you attorney McLean public forum I'm city clerk first on the list is Mike Leipam and Mike could you give me your home address please 1908 North 6th Street and you will have five minutes sir good evening mr. mayor common council thank you for being here on the eve of our great holiday and for your public service I speak to you tonight representing the greater shabuagan committee we're a small group that operates under some pretty simple goals and objective objectives and goal guiding principles our goal really in essence is to strengthen shabuagan and our community by provide or promoting good local decision-making by promoting the delivery of essential government services at the best possible cost on June 26 we issued an informational white paper regarding the city of shabuagan's police department site selection on this basis I have copies of that white paper if you did not receive that by email and for those of you in the audience if you'd like a copy that I will make that available to you we reviewed information available to that date and presented facts as we saw them you can dismiss the information we presented but we feel and felt it was important to get the facts out in a concise format as concise as possible you may choose tonight to do more analysis or to negotiate further on other sites however we feel after a full review of the information available that the best site to locate our new police building is clearly the 23rd Street site we base this on the following points the prior studies that consistently ranked the 23rd Street that highly ranked the 23rd Street site and all the studies done since the spring of 2002 including one done by the city I think there are four studies done in all with various scoring systems the North 23rd Street site ranked first or in the top three in each of those studies the second point and perhaps the most important to me would be the use of the van der Veidt van der Veidt site would remove a significant parcel of land from the city tax rolls the use of the van der Veidt site remove a significant parcel of land from the city tax rolls this would not be the case for the 23rd Street site large pieces of desirable property within the city limits are few the highest and best use for the van der Veidt site would be private commercial development this site could potentially yield more than three million dollars in tax base for the city of Sheboygan I've been asked even though the use of the van der Veidt van der Veidt site would take some property up the tax rolls wouldn't building a police station there increase the value of the remaining property the fact is true that building anything on the van der Veidt site would possibly increase the value of the remaining property the question remains however what would increase the value the most as a general rule commercial and retail development tends to cause additional commercial retail development good examples of this are the commercial retail developments at Deer Trace and Kohler or Washington Square here in Sheboygan another good example is here in the city of Sheboygan at the old Imperial Hotel site and Kohler Memorial Drive one three million dollar commercial building has been constructed to date and another one is planned the highest and best use of the van der Veidt property would be complete development of the property as tax paying commercial mixed use property placing the police station on the van der Veidt site still takes four to five acres off the property tax rolls and would not provide the boost to the remaining property that private development would the next point is the potential for future shared services looking at all the sites reviewed including the van der Veidt site the 23rd Street location would allow for the most options as we look for future shared services and future growth and lastly we believe that a well-defined proposal can be presented to the county that would benefit both the city and the county for a best deal possible and closing again you may choose tonight to do more analysis or to negotiate further on for other sites however we feel that after a full review of the information available that the best site to locate our new police department building is clearly the 23rd Street site thank you thank you Mike next on the list would be Susan Hunley and Susan can I have your home address please certainly 632 Michigan Avenue Sheboygan and you will have five minutes thank you thank you mayor thank you common counsel is this better that's good okay I'm really here just to speak on one issue of course the police station site I too am a member of the Greater Sheboygan Committee and that Mr. Leibhem is part of and I've spoken to several the members and while I do not agree right now what the white paper analysis they have no problem having me express one of my concerns I did pass out to all of you exhibit a with the northern environmental study that was done in May of 2003 on the 23rd Street site you seem to be a lot of discussion during the committee of the whole whether or not there were phase one and two site boring test done on 23rd Street there was the other as you can tell if you read through all that and there are three steps I only gave you the one the final report there's two other reports I go with it that you can get from Mr. Kim for health on the agenda for tonight I would prefer that you do not pull forward the 652 because that of course would take you right into negotiations for the 23rd Street site for the police station I really feel that at least exploring and Mr. Leibhem even said that there is no problem with exploring other options the resolution 745 being brought in by Alterperson Serta and Berg that authorizes the negotiations between the city and Vandervaart and the property and what Vandervaart and also the city with the county I think that is doing the apples to apples comparison I think we can do that much and maybe get a little bit better picture right now as Mr. Saminesh presented for the committee of the whole there were things that were delegated on the Vandervaart site that were not at 23rd I think that's just doing justice for all the taxpayers and I really don't have any further comments thank you thank you Susan next would be John Burner and John can you give me your home address please 1919 Broadway caught me off guard here I did you're next you'll have five minutes sir okay when I come up here and speak I am not representing any group I am coming up and speaking how I feel and how a lot of citizens in the city feel and at the committee in the whole last week there were a lot of questions asked and some of them didn't even make sense before 23rd Street was voted on 14th Street was taken off the table and there's a lot of people on this council that wanted shared a shared in Park save and now you're saying you want a smaller police station before it was shared in Park wasn't big enough a lot of flim flam in here there was two city employees that stood up here last week and I really took note of what they said they would like the police station staying at City Hall but what came after is the most important part security the people feel secure here that's where you put a police station where the public feels secure who's gonna feel secure on 23rd Street ballerith pick and save the clinic the county shed that is off the beaten track Van der Veid since you people don't want shared in Park Van der Veid is the next best site sure you're taking something off the tax roll how many times has this city taking stuff off the tax roll and they never bothered anybody one bit just was county just took some building off the tax roll nobody said nothing so it was a lousy piece of property they still took it off the tax roll people want security over at Van der Veid I live on Broadway we welcome it the people across business drive welcome it it's security for us and it's close enough to give people security north to 23rd Street I'm sorry I just can't believe it we can spend money on other stuff but for the citizens and that's what I'm speaking for for the citizens of this town to put it out to give security to who knows who I thank you thanks John excuse me next will be Lawrence Feltz and Lawrence can I have your home address please 1818 North 9th Street shabuigan north ninth yes and you'll have five minutes thank you Mr. Mayor and Alderman for your time I was like most citizens in the city of shabuigan letting the city city government do what they thought was best until act 40 and the abolishment of the police department came along now like more citizens I've become involved in in the way things are done around here first I'd like to commend Alderman Ryan and Serda for taking the time for effort and effort in contacting the veteran are people the land there is 125,000 to 175,000 dollars per acre compared to the 23rd Street site which is 200,000 dollars per acre the county wants $600,000 for the 23rd Street site is this a deal of some sort is are we getting a special price if the land is so valuable why hasn't the county sold it to a developer I would think the county residents would be upset that the county government has been sitting on valuable land that they could have sold and put on the tax and make taxes on it the Vandervaart site is the best place for the new station due to location and cost of acre per land we would we would allow Alderman we should allow Alderman Serda and Ryan to see what kind of deal they can get and bring back to this council and see what kind of savings we can get over what we're already seeing remember all of you are spending our tax money I have seen a post on the internet from the Sheboygan press which upset me somewhat the quote was we're more than little dismayed that Alderman Bob Ryan and Bonnie Serda seem to want to play real estate broker for the owners of the site of the city sell side Serda even promises to bring another resolution to this site to this site even though a similar one has already been rejected by the council unquote the only similarity between these two is that it's the same site the difference is is that there's 15 acres that we had to buy before in five acres now I assume that was a forgotten fact and maybe that's the reason why Sheboygan the lack of facts is why citizens are so ill informed in this town I was part of the the 2006 class of Sheboygan police citizens Academy it was an eye-opening experience to understand what the officers have to go through and understand the behind-the-scenes working Chief Kirk and the Sheboygan police officers are doing an exemplary job with what they have with 23 known gangs in Sheboygan and all the drugs we needed to supply them with all the tools and facilities to do their job effectively and efficiently I would also like to commend Alderman Susha for her diligent efforts to cut costs for this police station though I do not think that cheaper building materials is the way to go and removing holding cells would be wise either these cells are to hold suspects while officers are doing breathalyzer testing booking investigation and things of the sort I would like to remind that all of you have a job here this is to make citizens lives in this city better and safer finally everyone here is complaining about the cost of land and taking property off the tax rolls well everyone knows a piece of land that the city owns and is a perfect location and would cost only what it would cost to build the building and that site is Sheridan Park thank you very much thank you Lawrence and finally we have Marge Segali and can I have your home address please 2732 be nurse Savannah Circle Sheboygan and you will have five minutes thank you I have three different topics I'd like to speak on tonight one of course is I'd like to commend all the prisons Bonnie Serta and Bob Ryan for taking the initiative to talk with the people from Vandavart and I do underline talk to them and for trying to bring Vandavart back on the table being a part of the initial group that talked with Vandavart people that would be Alderman Serta and Alderman Jeff Racky and myself we thought it would be a win-win situation for the taxpayers and the citizens of Sheboygan the most vocal at those meetings was Alderman Racky he even called all the persons afterwards to say that it would be such a win-win situation now I can understand why when the deal would be better he has changed his mind on another site in the police department we have a person who has given 38 and a half years to the department 22 of which were served as secretary to the police chiefs Bonnie Gerber has served this police department and community with professionalism and integrity and who has always been there for whoever needed her now as she retires it will be from the same police station she has known for 38 and a half years I'm sure her wish would have been if she could have retired from a new police station but I guess that's only a wish I'm asking that the council please look at the Vandavart site along with North 23rd Street site if that's what you need to do my second issue that I'd like to talk about is the Mark Winkle case that vote that was taken on the floor at the last council meeting I feel the mayor and the council should be made aware of the fact that the previous law licensing committee that I served on and heard part of the case were to recuse themselves from speaking or voting on the issue when it came to the council floor both were ignored and I feel by all the person Racky and Myers speaking on the issues the voting was manipulated and I do hope that the council will look into this matter not only did this man suffer the penalty but he also suffered public humiliation by this council the vote might not be might not have been illegal but it was sure of borderline unethical and now to end on a good note I had the privilege of meeting one of the finest group of teenagers on Wednesday June 28th when they visited pizza safari they were so respectful and caring and giving of themselves to this community when so much is being said today about our teens and what they do wrong all we have to do is look at this group and know what is going right and the citizens of Sheboygan owe them a very big heartfelt thank you and that is the group church group that came to help the citizens of Sheboygan to redo their homes and fix porches etc and I thank you very kindly for listening to me and this was super thanks and that should do it thank you madam sitting clerk and thank thank all the citizens who's addressed the council tonight we appreciate your comments and welcome everyone to feel free and confident in addressing the council the next item on the agenda I would ask that Trisha Bergman's mom and dad please step forward before before I read this proclamation I'd like to extend my deepest sympathies once more and it is an honor and a pleasure to extend this proclamation to your family whereas Trisha Bergman family has suffered a tragic loss with the death of their daughter and sister Trisha and Trisha's unborn son and whereas Trisha Bergman family has turned their inconceivable loss into efforts to benefit others in our community and whereas by their efforts and the efforts of many who wish to show their love and honor for Trisha and her unborn son more than $40,000 of raise on June 25th 2006 and whereas these funds were given to help Bridgeway House a transitional home for women and children to provide added support and programs for abused victims and whereas Trisha's family and friends plan to continue to host an annual event close to Trisha's birthday of June 24th that will raise money to help domestic violence victims now therefore I want Perez by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Sheboygan do hereby proclaim June 24th as Trisha Bergman day before I make my comments if anybody would like to leave we'll give you a couple minutes okay to those watching and to those who are here to Common Council happy 4th of July look forward to marching down the street with you tomorrow it will be a very delightful day for us I wanted to speak to you about just a few things that that I really did not want to address but I keep hearing from people that I need to address and I've spoken about that before and that is the positive versus the negative I've talked to you about how there's things happening up at the national level immigration the budget the war in Iraq a lot of people are upset people get mad say things perhaps they shouldn't say any old trickles down to the state happens at the state and it trickles down to the city and the county and it gets that's where it ends up but we have a fabulous opportunity to not only be positive but to remain positive and to lead the city positively a good example of that that I happen to be a very small part off and I believe Mark Sigali talked about that group just a few minutes ago was this youth group that came from 10 different states there was about a 401 different people mostly youth they worked on 61 homes in Sheboygan and mind you these people are not from Sheboygan 10 different states they spent 11,800 hours of work in the city of Sheboygan and as I visited with some of them all they could talk about was how beautiful Sheboygan is how great a community this is how pleasant people are how nice people are how they were nice to them they work here for a week and it was just a tremendous amount of workload for them and these were young kids and I was at their final celebration at urban middle school and after 11,800 hours and 61 homes you'd expect that these young men and women would be pretty tired no they weren't they had so much energy it was just unbelievable it pumped me up I could not believe that the amount of energy they had because they were pleased at their accomplishment they were happy with what they had done they had a sense of accomplishment that I think that night I don't think anything else anything else could have matched and it struck a chord with me because I know that all of us have that same ability and willingness to do is to generate and harness our positive energy and to doing good for our community the other thing that I wanted to point out and this is one that people have asked me to please say something about that I was reluctant to say anything about and that is the constant barrage of open records request that have been hidden city hall lately I'm not exactly sure how many the mayor's office has gotten a lot I don't city clerk different department heads they're asking for information that's yours we're not going to hide anything whatever you want to know he can know sometimes I wonder why that information is being asked but if you if you start to connect that if you start to listen to what some of the people are saying it's all connected to an effort that's negative an effort that undermines this council and undermines and second guess is the community's vote in the last election and I'm speaking of a recall effort that's out there the requests that have been made are varied but one request in particular was this wall people want to know how much we spent on that wall this is a kind of request that's being made that wall was a safety issue before that's why it needed to be repaired not only was it a safety issue but it was a professional image issue I don't think anyone can disagree with me that that looks 10 times better or 50 times better than what we had before because every time I walked by and touched it I thought it was going to fall over but that's the kind of thing that that that's being requested the other thing that has been a hot issue even in the WHBL is this calendar this little calendar that has the recycling calendar and city phone numbers emergency snow emergency winter parking rules all the information that most people would like to have readily available under refrigerator or whatever this is another it's no secret they'll tell anybody how much it costs no they don't need to make a big miss out of it I was told that is because my picture is on there and I'm on I'm not a I'm a pretty ugly guy so what I'm gonna do last next year I'm gonna take the picture out and we'll just have the information there and maybe that'll take care of that but there's a lot of a lot of negativism a lot of personal attacks a lot of politics a lot of misinformation a lot of half truths that's what you want to call them a lot of anuendo quite frankly folks blatant lies being told in the community and a WHBL and they have done this over and over and over and over again for a whole year or more and that's okay because that's freedom of speech they can they can they can attack me every year at the moment they have I'll take it I've been doing it I have no choice but I do have a choice turn it off so to my friends and my supporters I point out WHBL because we have we have had a long-standing heritage radio station and all of a sudden I just decided to be anti mayor Perez and that's okay I can accept that but I would ask and I would challenge WHBL to start telling the truth and start providing the correct information if they don't have that they can come ask I've said it before we're not running city government out of a local radio station I'd like to entertain people we've got serious work to do here and by golly we're gonna do it now I haven't said all that I'll be I'll be the star of the show tomorrow again at some point I hope somebody sends me a thank you card that a lot of people wouldn't have their jobs it wasn't for me I'm a target and that's just the way it's going to be and from the people all I ask is that you give me a chance to do my job I know I can do my job I know I have what it takes I need support from the community I need support from the alderman all this bickering and fighting and accusations misinformation I would hope it stopped and if it doesn't we're just going to work ourselves through it I'm not going to stop doing a good job I'm not going to stop protecting the taxpayers simply because I'm being attacked every day it hasn't worked for a year I'm going to work for the next one or the next one or if I'm recall now I've said some pretty bold words and tomorrow be the talk of the town again 10 to 2 2 to 5 2 to 6 whatever I'm free game take me on bait but I'm not going to let the citizens down I represent an interest higher in my own higher than anybody else's and that is the taxpayer and I will continue to do my job for them thank you all President Berg excuse me let me let me read we have next on the agenda agenda we have a hearing to a to amend the zoning to change the use district classification of property located at 1117 and 1112 1123 north 27th street and 1118 and 1212 north 26th street from class mixed residential to class suburban office classification is there anyone here that would like to address the council yes please it's okay okay can you just give me your name and address please and we'll put it in the record Nicole Avena Nicole AV I am and your address Nicole 1130 north 26th street 1130 north 26th okay well my first question is for the 1212 north 26th street that address doesn't exist I believe it might be 1126 north 26th street I haven't found that address I live like on that block and I haven't found that address at all at 1212 north 26th street and another question I have is my property is right next to these properties that will be torn down and turned into suburban office and what what I need to know is what will that do to our property value when we bought how will that affect us you know our our way of life I have three small children there and I'm worried about the traffic that it will bring in um the safety of the children and just kind of like the layouts of it and what I wanted to know more about it basically okay what what we'll do if it's okay with you is have Paulette Andrews the director of city development contact you and give you the answers tomorrow would you let us know your phone number okay um give it to me later if you want to are you staying I'll stay and give it to you okay yeah you can just write it right down here we want to make sure we address your concerns okay yeah thank you is there anyone else that would like to address a council and can I have your name please yes I'm Bob Grigorski I represent Grigorski development and First National Bank and your address address is n84 18 north shore road menasha wisconsin 54952 okay and I can I can answer those questions we're not here to talk about 23rd street I guess that's a good thing we're on 26 and 27th street and what we have here this is four properties that are next to Nino's steakhouse it's really the last piece of property on the frontage road of colder memorial drive that isn't zone commercial if you go from I-43 all the way to 16th street you'll see that there's only one piece that's not commercial and it's the stretch between 26 and 27th street and we're asking that four houses be rezoned what we're trying to do is is put a retail banking facility on this piece of property and the long-term plan for the city of Sheboygan recognizes that this property would be commercial and the the specific use that we're asking for is a retail bank which is generally considered a soft commercial use the first thing I'd like to say to the neighbors I think that there's probably one other letter an objection letter from another neighbor that will do whatever it's whatever is necessary to buffer the piece of property whether it be building a fence putting in landscape buffering whatever it would be necessary typically when and I've done a number of banks in a number of different communities typically what ends up happening is the neighbor the neighbors that object find out that when they find out a bank is coming in usually they're happy about that because there are a lot of uses in commercial zones that are a lot more obnoxious than a bank a bank has hours that generally eight to five you know bankers I don't want to say bankers hours I guess that's a negative but they're they're not they don't have late night hours they're generally not open on weekends so generally the people that live next door to those types of facilities have the benefit of being at work when there's any traffic there generally a bank has has a four-sided type building it's usually very well designed very well landscaped and it's usually an asset to a neighborhood and most banks are in neighborhoods they're in community neighborhood areas so generally that's something that that when the neighbors think about it they usually come back and say maybe I didn't mean to object to that in this case specifically the the two neighbors we can't buy every house so what we've got we've got six properties that we have under contract and of course it's the last two that that would pose an objection but if you go on 27th street and you look where Ninos is Ninos actually goes deeper than the six the six pieces that we have if you go over on 26th street and you look at the the commercial that runs all the way up 26th street that also goes deeper so I would say to the neighbors that I think this is probably an advantage for you because once a well quality a well constructed quality building is built there for a bank I think your property values are actually going to go up and I think that a doctor or a lawyer with Aurora being at the corner financial service place you'll see them kind of scattered out throughout that area I really think that that's something that that could happen the last this piece is really an island of residential it's the last piece on Colorn Memorial Drive and I think that again the use is something that that we should all encourage the the neighborhood already is a mix of commercial and residential uses the Ninos is across the street and typically you would think that that would be a more obnoxious type use being a bar in a restaurant but it it's very well received by the neighborhood and they do a good job keeping that clean and welcoming shore west realty is on the corner Aurora has a major facility and they're adding on and doing additional buildings there there's a provident office building that sits right next to it Luigi's is just a little bit to the to the west the laquinta in is on the same street right up the road which again backs right up the residential and the american family insurance building all those buildings again back up to residential some of them don't even have fences on the back the the the type of building that they're building here is also a business banking facility it's going to have a retail component with a drive-through but it's a mainly a business banking facility so it's not it's not like a drive-through restaurant where you have traffic coming through one after another the the last thing is I was talking about the reduction of market value some of the neighbors might think there's a reduction and and we've talked with it with the neighbors I think that Nicole you probably know that your property your property already has gone up in value because we discussed what it would be worth commercially versus residentially so again I think that I think that that fear is is really unfounded and I would just tell the the mayor and the council that as a representative of of First National Bank we'll do whatever it takes to make sure that the the the landscaping and the buffering from the bank is acceptable to the neighbors and also that typically right now the neighborhood is there really isn't a buffer between Kohler Memorial Drive and their backyards after this is built I think it'll actually quiet the area behind them because the building itself a fence and any landscaping will act as a buffer from the traffic on the Kohler Memorial thank you thank you over my question yes thank you your honor I just wanted to express that I had received the phone call from the other neighbor and he was not able to attend tonight but he does object to the rezoning okay over my is there anyone else yes sir and can I have your name and home address please allen gabriel's n 7010 high view drive sheboygan I own you know a stake roundup and I guess I'd like to say reiterate some of the things that bob had talked about he kind of had laid it all out and those are the things I also agree with and it's what is happening I guess with Memorial Drive at this point I believe I also have a letter from from shore west Steve Hamer I believe Susan you have a copy of that and we had talked to so we have Steve Hamer is also in favor of rezoning this property so but bob had made all the points I think pretty well and I do think that a lot of the traffic I think if you take a look at that including our own restaurant most of that comes from the frontage road Memorial Drive 25th Street and Taylor and I think that is why originally that frontage road was designed to you know direct traffic down there instead of the residential if you look across the street on Memorial Drive on the south side there is no frontage road there in the residential area and I think the frontage road was built at least I would assume for the businesses along Memorial Drive which probably fits with what we're talking about doing along there so thank you council members mayor thank you that's all I got for today is there anyone else that would like to address council is there anyone else okay well that's city clerk Richards please read a couple of letters that were submitted to her right I received two letters from neighbors and they wish them to be read into the record because as Alderman Meyer said neither one of them are able to be here tonight the first one is addressed to myself and we do send out letters to property owners within a hundred feet of the rezoning so that they're aware of this happening they're able to come here this evening first one is from steam Hamer owner of shorewest United Realtors thank you for the notice regarding rezoning of our neighbors to the west I'm very comfortable with rezoning and feel that a bank building would be a great neighbor and improvement for the area historically banks are a welcome addition with limited activity on the weekends they also tend to do an excellent job of landscaping I am in favor of the rezoning sign Steve Hamer president of shorewest and the next one was addressed to the mayor Mr. Sokolowski myself and Alderman Meyer I received a letter in the mail regarding a proposed amendment to the zoning map of Sheboygan the amendment is to change the zoning on four properties on north 26 and north 27th streets I live on the next north side property on 27th street I am writing a letter because on the day of the public hearing I will be out of state on vacation my wife and I have lived in our house for 30 plus years raised a family and made a tremendous amount of improvements and plan on retiring in a few years and would like to continue living in our house I opposed to this rezoning change for a number of reasons which are as follows number one our traffic problem would increase as it did when the frontage road was put in number two we do not we do have somewhat of a drainage problem in our back yards during heavy rains and winter runoff what would be at what would add a black top and large in a large building due to the existing drainage problem and number three with Nino's being across the street it is surprising that our neighborhood is still quiet I don't believe this will continue with a drive-in bank or office building in my backyard my wife and I would like you to take our concerns into consideration when making your decision on this rezoning signed Robert Covella at 1131 north 27th thank you city clerk one more time is there anyone else that would like to address the council there being on president Burke yes thank you and I move that the hearings be closed there's a motion to the second to close hearing under discussion there being none all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries hearings closed all McGrath thank you your honor before I'm moving into the consent agenda I would like to pull forward document 652 document 652 that's a document by the building news committee in regard to um reconsidering um north 23rd street site for the new police station okay we proceed I would make motion that that resolution be put upon its passage there's a motion the second to put resolution number 480607 upon its passage under discussion under discussion your honor um I'd like to amend it at this time after the last be it further resolved I'd like to add another be it further resolved that would say um that up to one half of any agreed upon amount between the city and county be placed in an escrow account for a period of five to eight years to be used for environmental remediation and or site specific improvements such as fiber optic lines etc that will enhance the current and future sharing of services from this location there's a motion to amend in a second under discussion on the amendment on the amendment your honor I'm adding this is because if you will recall there is another document coming in 745 from all the persons Serta and Berg which has something similar to that in in their document regarding an escrow account and I think that's a very good idea and I'd like it to be included in what the building use did but I'd also like to move this forward so that's the reason for moving it forward and um amending it at this time thank you all any other okay we'll call the roll on the amendment okay do you need to have the amendment reread you know what the amendment is you do please read it okay Alderman graph correct me if I'm wrong um to have be it further resolved that up to one half agreed upon amount between the city and county be placed in an escrow account for up to for five to eight years to be used for environmental remediation and or site specific improvements such as fiber optics lines etc that will enhance the current and future sharing of services from this location is that correct just normal boron berg serda graph hannah kittleson clay unis mani meyer montemey or ratki ryan susha and verhaselt 14 eyes motion carries motion and second to put the resolution upon his passage as amended on your discussion alderman kittleson thank you your honor i i guess i just need to know i need this clarified then how is this going to affect our our resolution 745 if we're going forward with this um and we don't know uh we have no idea what's going down with the vandervar property i guess i need a little more clarification then on this can anyone oh man graph well your honor just based on what was done in building use and what was discussed in building use um this offer basically except for the amendment now that that's been added to it was was out in the papers was discussed uh was was never um really negotiated so there's still room to negotiate it if this negotiation team is put into place um but what this would do is would allow us to um to send something to the county to say okay this is what we're looking at what do you think thank y'all man graph alderman kittleson okay then i just want this made crystal clear we're not we're just looking at this offer we're not we don't have anything on the table yet until we get all the information that we need or that what's ever been in the paper is alderman graph please what's ever been in the paper is is there um and that was all printed in the paper so um i don't know if the county isn't accepting anything until they get something from us okay but i what i'm saying is i mean what's in the paper is fine but still what needs to come out of this council is we just have too many unknowns right here and now and i need to look at everything before we decide that we're going to send forth any any type of offer that's all i'm seeing vice president sardar thank you ronner i think what this document does is put the cart before the force in terms of um we've already set forth a deal to provide to the county and if um city attorney steve mclean can clarify that because we already have a lot of amounts here i think it puts us at a disadvantage that we're going in with this amount because i know personally i'm not comfortable with offering this so i'm not going to support it thank you all in kittleson thank you thank you your um i guess i would have to uh agree with alderman sardar i don't feel comfortable putting an offer on the table at this time when we just don't have all the information that we need thank you president bird yes thank you this for me personally is a difficult vote i've always supported 23rd speed i think it is uh developed a campus that will all share services in the future and uh in addition will not uh take property off the tax base so i have a dilemma between what has been my personal favorite choice and the due diligence that i feel needs to be considered if we have two facilities to look at the city the vandervar property uh this to me is a basically will kill the resolution to look at the vandervar property i can't see that uh that we would make an offer to the county uh which then they could accept and then we would go ahead and negotiate with the vandervar property so for me again uh it is personally i guess a very difficult decision uh and i just thinking of law i guess with that in mind not to sway things either way i will have staying on the boat thank you president bird alderman mire thank you your honor um i'm going to support this because at the building use committee meeting um chief kirk made it very clear to us that he would like to go to 23rd street he said this would be a great place for shared services we could have a shared dispatch um we have officer cameron steward they believe his name and he's on our our building use committee also and he was asked what the police had thought about it and he said all the officers were excited and they wanted to go to 23rd street so i will support this thank you one more old banana thank you mayor peres um at this time i really would like to see more information on the vandervar situation i'm afraid that uh 652 really stops the discussion i think we're in a better position to negotiate in either direction if we have all the information in front of us so i'd like to to see us proceed to gather all the information in vandervar thank you old man hannah alderman many sir thank you my question has to do with the timeline uh what does this resolution what would the other resolution mean in relationship to our architects work in their progress currently we have a site they're working in that direction what would these either one of these mean i don't want to mess up the progress the progress is not going to be disrupted at any any on any account the construction is scheduled to begin in march provided that we can work through this by august okay when the um request came in to include to or to look at 26 23rd street i was pretty clear that that all wanted to look at because i did not want the timetable disrupted if this council chooses to go any other direction you may sacrifice that timetable but it stands now everything is online i mean is on track i don't see it being uh out of track at all but i do see it getting out of track or at least in my mind if we start looking at any other sites alderman ryan sir thank you your honor um in regards to negotiating with both the county and vandervaart um i believe to uh to to kill any one possibility um definitely the city loses a lot of leverage on the other the the part of negotiating is if you know that the people that your buyer wants your property especially if it's his only choice um you can pretty much hold your line and and hold your price uh keeping the vandervaart property alive and exploring it at least will give the city some some bargaining leverage also regarding the timeline on the vandervaart property uh both north 23rd street and vandervaart are both uh slab on grade type construction they're both similarly sized parcels uh and i believe that uh there will not will not be a delay the architectural uh end of of the uh operation can continue forward um my goal is to have no delay and i will not support any resolution that does uh does delay the building of the police but thank you okay please call roll this is a resolution excuse me as amended excuse me berg serda gough hannah kittleson clioness yes manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan no susha for hassled and boran nine eyes four four nose and one extension motion carries president burke and sent agenda uh yes thank you your honor i would move that uh we file all the arrows uh except to adopt all the rc's and pass all the general ordinances are second to that second under discussion uh all of them susha thank you your honor um i would like a separate vote on seven dash four we need to amend the encroachment i'm sorry seven dash four yes separate vote i'd ask uh take me to proceed yes please okay i move that the ordinance be put upon its passage second there's a motion second to put the ordinance upon its passage thank you thank you and i'd like to amend this document i'd like to amend the encroachment ordinance to incorporate the plan commission's recommendation on the first page of seven dash four uh the third line from the bottom it comes uh with the statement it starts with with the condition the city of shabuigan shall have access to the seawall tiebacks which are located underground below the deck and sidewalks within the city public pedestrian way and i'd like that added to um this document so that's a motion to amend is there a second to that motion a second any other discussion on that allman borne are you wishing to discuss that or something else okay we'll we'll vote on the amendment everybody clear on that we're just doing a vote i'm not a vote i'm not a woman all those in favor of the amendments that i i any opposed motion carries the motion as amended yes i move that the motion uh as amended be put upon its passage second under discussion there being none please call the roll serda graff hannah kittleson clioness manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha for hassled boron and burr 14 eyes motion carries holden borne thank you your honor i would like to pull forward uh for document number 718 uh for a separate vote and also an explanation on the committee's discussions on this issue okay i need you to make a motion to put the uh to uh accept and adopt the report committee i make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee there's a second under discussion salary and grievances uh allman susha would you please answer allman borne um thank you your honor um there was a lot of discussion on this topic and uh the vote was uh two to support lowering the starting pay for all incoming non reps uh and there were three people that voted against it and just to give you a little bit of history what happened is earlier this year when the council voted to give pay increases to the non reps in 2005 and 2006 at the last paragraph in that document also said that we were going to adjust the entire salary grade for the non reps equal to the pay increases in 2004 or five and 06 so there was roughly an eight and a half percent increase in the pay table the entire pay table and uh the argument in salary and grievance was that in the private sector the starting pay for every position within a company does not go up every year so um ed cirq gave his opinion uh he believes that we should keep increasing the starting pay and um actually i would encourage all of you to vote no on this document because i still feel very strongly that we do not need to start kids right out of high school um at over 30 000 a year um you know i i initially was surprised at uh the the new pay grade for job grade two starting out at 28 500 but as we dove into the subject what we found out is that we don't have any jobs in the city in job grade two we start in job grade three so that means with a high school diploma you can walk into the city and start out at thirty thousand seven hundred and seventy nine dollars a year and i just think that's way too high um so the motion was to roll it back so for example instead of instead of starting a job grade three at basically thirty thousand eight hundred we'd go back to what it was which is twenty eight thousand two hundred which again coming right out of high school starting at 28 200 is a pretty good pay rate in fact i think there's some people coming out of college that would agree that that would be a good pace pay rate um but the there was another situation or that came up and it's actually document seven dash 64 that's on our agenda tonight and the question was well what happens um the police chief secretary is retiring and the the candidate that they wanted to hire into that position has been with the city for a number of years so she's going to be going from a union job to a non-union position but she's been with the city for so long you can't really take her down to the lowest point of the pay grade but we have a mechanism in place for that um when mr. cirq does interviewing he has the capability of um some latitude when he looks at a pay range he can start somebody within the bottom third of that pay range if it's above the bottom third he know needs to go on to counsel to get approval to start somebody at a higher point in the pay range and we did do that in this particular situation we met in sal ring grievance and we just started decided to start the replacement for the police chief at a higher point in the pay range so what i'm saying is we have a mechanism in place if you have an experienced candidate within the organization who wants to apply for a different job we just follow the process so eventually now that we're going to be promoting this person into the the chief secretary position eventually we're going to have a vacancy and i would imagine that we will eventually run out of city employees to start in these vacancies so eventually we will hire someone from outside and my point is is that many of these positions don't require more than a high school diploma so i would say that we can roll back the starting wages on some of these positions and keep in mind ed sir has leeway to do negotiating up to one third in the lower part of the pay scale when he's offering these jobs so the mechanism we have in place works quite nicely and i i just would ask that you actually vote no so we can actually pass this and lower the starting pay thank you thank you all the sushi all one barn sir thank you again your honor when i first saw this uh general ordinance uh and looking at our budget situation for next year and the finance committee uh rich gebbhart has mentioned initial numbers for next year at a deficit of uh two million to two point five million dollars for the city and i thought this general ordinance where uh is a step in the right direction for the taxpayers with these future non-represented employees to at least in the future try to hold the line on wages thank you and i'm going to i'm going to vote no thank you thank you all one born hold them and kill some thank you your honor um i i just wondered if ed sir it would be able to address this um i know he i'm going on his recommendation that we not do this and i don't know how many high school graduates that he that we do hire within the city of granted he could but uh i just don't know we need qualified candidates and they need to be hired at the at the proper salary so could if you yes yes thank you all mcintlson mr sir could you please approach the podium yes thank you mayor and council um a couple things like the common and all the sushi's comments were we don't we don't hire a high school graduate to 28 000 year i mean i'm around seven seven years now and i don't know where that assumption came along with but it's not true we don't hire someone at 28 000 a year to address the the sorry range itself we did not address um adjust the ranges back in 2003 um our the non-rep salary pay plan is extremely out of kilter um you know i'd like to see you gasoline at 35 cents a gallon but it isn't anymore uh our ranges have gone have not increased to adjust the market of other salaries be the private or public industry um one of the complications we're having today is that we are going to bring later on a document indent that supersedes my authority supersedes salary agreements authority but must have approval to grant someone a raise which must be brought to council that's how far off we are with our ranges that if we're going to make a move to promote somebody that the salary we want to offer that person has to go to common council it shows the the how how poorly our our pay plan is is set up right now we are very far behind in our ranges and i and even at this point with the changes that that we recommended some months ago we're still far behind any question okay thank you alderman cleanness next i was one of the council people who voted against this and my reason was that i believe the non-represented employees have been scapegoats at times in terms of um taking some cuts uh because we can do it much easier than through a bargaining agreement and i feel as if um they shouldn't be the ones that have to take it all the time and i agree with ed that um qualified people we don't just take someone off the street we have an interview process we have an application process and i'm sure we're getting a the best qualified person for even that low salary or that starting salary i should say young thing is uh all president burt you're next i guess thank you your honor i had uh been uh alderman susha's predecessor on salary and grievances and the beginning of the year with the previous committee we set a number of goals for the salary and grievance committee to consider one of them i think we're uh older person susha and uh mr syrick agree is to review the non-representative salary grid uh that was discussed at some length in the previous salary and grievance committee and it reached the level that the feeling was that should be a primary goal of uh the current committee to look at that to review it and see if there are changes that need to be made in terms of inequities and i do believe that uh rather than cutting and pasting solutions per each individual position that comes up i think that the long-range goal would be to fulfill that objective and pursue really that study to see how we fit in uh vis-a-vis our comparison with other like communities and hopefully the private sector thank you thank you alderman burt alderman for hassel thank you your honor i have two questions for ed sir is that okay yes but we need to have them step up to the podium sir the two questions i have um on this 28 or 30 000 dollars that we're talking about here what type of positions typically are we filling at those levels and then question number two could you give a rough summary of the comparisons you talked about with private sector versus what we're paying just rough numbers are we way off in our comparison are we close well we're we're in a process of studying that right now but uh like we don't have all this is mentioned 28 000 we don't have any positions available right now we would offer that to anybody i mean it's there it's a grade that just is not filled we um when we advertise for a position we post reposition we put down you know five to ten years experience in the pacific field um you know we can tell pretty well without doing a lot of study what the market brings in and uh you know if you if you receive honor candidates and only uh 10 or 15 of the candidates are within your your market market envelope you know that either your salaries are too low or the market is just beyond our reach what i've seen in past few years is that we probably are on the low side salary wise um the in most non rep positions we we do require quite a bit experience we're not beginning level positions um we look for both public and private experience in filling these positions so um i came out of the private sector i have a pretty good feel what what they're paying out in the private sector comparably in the public and i'd say by far um we're not in middle probably a little below middle in terms of what we're paying our positions hold them in mani do you have a question for mr suric or just no okay thank you sir oh okay please stay okay hold them mani you were next let me ask the question all in the morning thank you again mr chairman uh mr suric when you say yours that we're a low low on the salary end uh how does the city benefit package compared to the private sector you may the the new employee may be sacrificing something in salary is the benefit package that you're offering these people exceed the private sector and therefore might be a little more apples for apples comparison thank you yeah i would say in generally i probably are our private our benefit package is someone above private sector in terms of pensions we don't we don't have a 401k we do have 457 which you don't which is similar to a 401k plan a private sector we don't match that or some companies will have a defined benefit plan in a defined contribution plan we have basically a defined defined benefit plan was like the old pension plan so i and a lot of companies have gotten away from that but in the public sector we are required by law and our employees are in the Wisconsin pension plan which is governed by by the state that they that anyone working over 600 hours a year uh the city or any municipality or state government required to contribute to the pension plan in terms of other benefits holidays vacation i'd say we're pretty much much in the middle um there are no in the public sector there are no frills in terms of i mean if we don't get turkeys for Thanksgiving we don't have Christmas parties there's no that's all that's gone there is no contribution in terms of you know happy times to public employees are pretty well restricted to pay and benefits and other other items that you might see in a private sector thank you sir i'll remain thank you just for another information it's important to say that non reps have your steps in their salary they have their annual increase but no steps as the union folks do so that is an issue that impacts people over time we should be aware of that secondarily as we have no one hired at these categories the discussion is quite theoretical perhaps representation or more than anything i don't think the symbolic value um is worth that much time or attention other issues of real significance impact uh that we will decide on this year are much more important therefore i'm going to vote to file this thank you elderly many okay let me in no more please call the and an i vote would be to accept and adopt and file the ordinance hannah i'm sorry yes kittleson clayunas mani meyer montemayor racky ryan susha for hassled boran berg and serda oh graph for you oh i didn't do alderman graph oh tis tis alderman graph what would you like to vote that would make a difference eight eyes and six nose motion carries okay we've got consent agenda seven one to seven twenty three with the exception as you know seven four and seven eighteen please call roll kittleson clayunas mani meyer montemayor racky ryan susha for hassled boran berg serda uh graph and hannah 14 eyes motion carries communications and petitions seven dash two four through seven dash two seven to be referred reporter officers two seven 28 by the city attorney stating that the resolution number 520607 by alderman hannah and ryan authorizing the mayor in his discretion to remove committee members for failure to attend meetings in his opinion is if adopted would be null and void as contrary to law alderman hannah thank you uh our intention here was to uh encourage participation i need a motion to accept and file a motion to accept and file second okay under discussion if you'd like continue our intention here was to try to encourage better attendance by committee members uh unfortunately that was in opposition to existing statutes which is understandable thank you alderman hannah anyone else president berg ah yes thank you and i i like the idea i guess of uh having accountability and if i understand the city attorney's rulings nothing would stop uh a resolution coming in to publish uh anybody who has had three or more unexcused absences as part of the record of committee would that meet uh would that be an acceptable uh alternative and i guess that would be directed to the city attorney thank you president berg attorney mclean uh yes alderman berg i think that would be fine in fact i had suggested to uh alderman hannah and alderman ryan that that uh you know it's kind of the sunshine law where you report the attendance and i think that in and of itself has a salutary effect on people attending if uh if it becomes sort of public the fact that people aren't attending that uh number one either that could be addressed by the council if you chose chose to attempt to remove someone from office you could do that early on if you knew you know on an ongoing basis what the attendance was but secondarily just the mere fact of that information being out there to the general public has has an effect i think uh on hopefully people uh attending more meetings thank you thank you your honor i think this uh resolution would have encouraged participation or attendance at the committee meetings and sometimes people don't come for a variety of reasons sometimes very legitimately they can't be there and maybe if we get this information back to the council and somebody is removed because the committee should be effective they should have enough people there to be effective and if for some reason they can't then we should take some action so that the committee can meet and be effective thank you alderman mclean alderman meyer thank you your honor um i would just like to ask attorney mclean um on the commission of aging we are reviewing the bylaws right now and that is in the bylaws that you missed two um meetings you can be removed is that different or are the bylaws wrong or you know because we need to fix them if they are attorney mclean uh yes uh if that's what the bylaws currently state i guess be my opinion that the uh you can't ipso facto say that you miss so many meetings that you're subject to removal i think the statutes are pretty clear that the process is for removal somebody needs to bring a complaint to the council and it's the council vote by three fourth vote for cause to remove somebody from the commission or board or committee and uh you know it's a due process right for that individual to uh to then either put up their defense or uh at least they become aware of it and it's the council's decision to remove the people as opposed to at a committee level uh or a mayoral level thank you turn please alderman reti thank you your honor um i guess my basic questions is if a person and i have this situation going on in one of the committees i chair i've seen this person once in the last year and would that come from the committee level to the council or would that have to be from a citizen like we have with the library board or what would the due process be to start this because i mean this this gentleman one time in in a year and it's not serving our board and at times we've had trouble getting quorums and that doesn't help either turning the things i think it could come from any of those uh from an individual from an alder person from a committee uh with a uh i guess i'd probably wish to be consulted but the it'd be a matter of following the statutory process uh presenting the charge to the council and uh you know then then presenting that if the council wants to proceed with charges against the individual uh give them an opportunity to be heard and uh go that route you know it could be in some of those circumstances where if there's constant absence maybe they'd be willing to voluntarily resign uh you know maybe there's a conflict that nobody's talked to them and that's why they're not coming to the meetings or something and maybe it's as simple as that that they'd be willing to voluntarily resign thank you all right follow-up yes as a follow-up um so i guess the question would be would it be proper for example to contact this person as a chairman and ask if he's really still interested and it's you know these people are reputable they're busy sometimes these things yes i'll do it and all of a sudden they just don't have the time to do it and instead of dragging them through this would it be proper for a committee chairman to just contact these people and just say are you interested if not can i please have a resignation so we can put somebody on the board who would be able to do the job i don't say anything illegal about doing that okay okay thank you attorney mclean i would say uh just follow up the the statutory standard for cause one of the items includes neglect of duty so it's not it doesn't say missing meetings but it's neglect of duty but i think you it's fair extrapolation if you've only gone to one meeting in the last two years and the committee has met 26 times uh something isn't isn't clicking there and there's some duty being neglected so i don't think so okay we have a motion to accept in file seven dash 28 all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 729 lies over 730 to do 744 to be referred with the exception of 734 which will be referred to public protection and safety instead of public works and transit please make that notation resolutions introduce three seven dash 45 by alderman salah and burg authorized negotiations between the city of shabuagan and vandervar for the property known as the vandervar site and with the county of shabuagan for the property known as north 23rd street site alderman salah thank you ronnie i move that the resolution be put upon its passage is there a second second second under discussion alderman salah thank you ronnie i'm going to ask um for an amendment to this resolution that we take out the portions that reference vandervar and i'll give an explanation as to why okay please do make your amendment vote motion to amend make a motion to amend um document 745 where the portion where it reads a resolution to the first be it further resolved that those portions be deleted okay is there a second to that motion she's she's on your your mic is on i'm asking that the first portion of the document referencing vandervar from the beginning a resolution to the first be it further resolved be deleted got that the first second third and fourth paragraph be deleted correct is there a second to that um uh motion second please proceed under discussion thank you ronnie i'm asking this because this was my biggest fear that we wouldn't look at vandervar earnestly and i promised them that um we wouldn't put them through this again and i believe by the decision that the council made previously i personally think we took away our leverage i thought it was best that we keep things at an even keel in terms of negotiation the document 652 outlines for us the exact amounts which will offer the county um and steve i don't know if you could clarify too we can't go in and offer a different amount aren't we locked to this resolution what we just approved um and i'm not going to i personally will not waste vandervar's time thank you old man serda old woman ryan thank you your honor uh i myself uh being involved uh in the the vandervar property uh do agree with all the person serda on this um it doesn't make a lot of sense to to try to barter and negotiate with your with your hands tied um i do not uh personally um want to be involved with uh not negotiating uh in good faith with uh with anybody and with wasting anybody's time so i uh i do agree anyone else old man susha thank you your honor i'm just wondering if someone could explain why we need to approve this i think that the previous situation pretty much approved it so i guess i'm just confused i don't see a need to do anything other than file this document so just if i could have an explanation why we remove vandervar what's the difference you can accomplish that by voting no on the resolution we put upon this passage okay is everybody clear on that call them on their rehearsal thank you your honor i just wanted to thank alderman serda and ryan for the work on this even though the 23rd street document is moving forward i'd like to thank them for the work because i think it did add a little clarity to the decision making um to this point thank you okay please call the roll call my graph thank you your honor i'm i'll make a motion to file this document motion second to file under discussion on the file there being none please call the roll claunas yes mani meyer montemay or ratki ryan susha verhasselt boron berg serda graph hannah and kittleson 14 eyes motion carries seven dash 46 by alderman graph meyer and kittleson authorizing intern into a license and agreement for 2006 with the asap all in the graph because this involves money do i need suspension so i'll ask for suspension there's a motion second to span is there any objection please proceed then you're gonna move that there was this resolution be put upon its passage the motion second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under discussion just so that everybody's aware of this this is to pay the license fee for um anytime we have band concerts and celebrating services where we may use a um a song that may be um i just lost my train of thought copyrighted thank you um and uh rather than getting sued we need to uh expend for this license thank yelman graph anything else please call the roll mani meyer montemay or ratki ryan susha verhasselt boron berg serda graph hannah kittleson and claunas 14 eyes motion carries seven dash 47 lies over seven dash 48 through seven dash 50 to be referred reported committee six 751 752 to be referred reported committee seven 753 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 7081 based on failure to cooperate with the committee and failure to reveal all violations alderman ratki thank you your honor i ask that the uh reporter committee be accepted adopted second motion the second under discussion yes is joseph burton here this evening he's not here this evening your honor okay any further discussion on that there being on please call the roll meyer montemay or ratki ryan susha verhasselt boron berg serda graph hannah kittleson claunas and mani 14 eyes motion carries 754 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 71 28 based on failure to reveal a violation and having a conviction relating to the license activity alman ratki thank you your honor i accept i make a motion at the reporter committee be accepted and adopted motion the second to get accepted up under discussion under discussion is jordan shea here this evening he's not here this evening your honor thank you alderman ratki any further discussion there being on please call the roll montemay or ratki ryan susha verhasselt boron berg serda graph hannah kittleson claunas mani and meyer 14 eyes motion carries 755 by the committee of the whole submitting rc number 540506 by finance and resolution number 270506 by all the person graph authorizing to purchase an agent to enter into contract for police facility in city hall architectural services alderman susha thank you your honor um i would like to make a motion to have this document referred back to finance second motion the second to refer back 755 of finance under discussion there being on the new ruco all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries reporter committees eight 756 by finance recommended authorizing a transfer appropriations in the 206 budget um alderman graff thank you your honor i move that the rc be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage motion the second to accept an adopt and put the resolution upon its passage under discussion alderman serda vice president serda excuse me i'd like to um request to divide the questions specifically to the amount you're marked for land acquisition costs to the county in the amount of 504 bills at 866 there's an amendment is there a second to that amendment second under discussion vice president serda thank you your honor i just i'm giving an explanation again i don't feel comfortable in arriving at that number and making an offer i would still like to negotiate and bring that down or at least have our parking lot um um at least give more credence in terms of its value anything else attorney mclean comment is that you just passed a resolution authorizing to make an offer for that dollar amount to the county i'm sorry i hit it didn't okay uh you previously passed a resolution authorizing to make an offer in that dollar amount for to the county i think it's incumbent if you're going to make that offer in good faith that you have the money behind it to make the offer just an observation thank you attorney mclean alderman month in my office oh thank you your honor attorney mclean uh expressed what i was going to say thank you thank you alderman vice president serda thank you your honor um it's important though for myself steve that i didn't support the original resolution that i would still not support the the spending of it as well thank you alderman serda alderman susha thank you your honor i have a question about the matlin money is that right now currently in the general fund i believe it's an i'm not sure and mr. gapart not here we can find out for you tomorrow to make a difference i just think it would be good use matlin money is supposed to be used for a one-time expenditure and we have about 600 000 i believe in that account the last time i talked to rich i thought he said it is in the general fund right now but i think that would be a good use of the matlin money for the land acquisition so perhaps we could do some shuffling of money um at the next meeting at the next the committee would desire thank you all miss usha okay we will call the roll somebody okay first of all we're going to call the roll on either just that one issue or the other part of the resolution which one would you prefer one first okay this won't be to approve the appropriations for the five hundred four thousand eight hundred and sixty six dollars for land acquisition that's pulled off of this transfer just that okay as amended is that no no we're just dividing the question so i'm splitting up that one issue from the rest of the resolution so we can have a separate vote on that one land acquisition issue and i vote would be in favor of and i vote would be in favor of the transfer of appropriations yes for five and four eight sixty six and consistent with the previous resolution you just passed not long ago with the counting okay so this is a divide the question one um let's see here we have ryan susha for hassled boron berg serda graf hannah kittleson clay unis mani meyer monta mayor and ratki 12 eyes two nose motion carries and then the next one will be on the balance of the appropriations resolution susha for hassled boron berg serda graf hannah kittleson clay unis mani meyer monta mayor ratki and ryan 14 eyes motion carries 757 by finance recommended authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 206 budget all of them grow thank you your honor that ought to see um which is for the transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget for um the um wisconsin retirement fund and social security as well as the next rc which is authorizing um a transfer of appropriations in the 2006 budget which is for um also um the um appropriation for the library fund for sick leave and vacation severance payments i would move that both rc's be accepted and adopted and both resolutions be put upon their passage motion second to put 757 758 upon her passage under discussion there would be a non please hold on olem kittleson thank you your honor i'm wondering if if we can vote on 757 separately rather can we separate them i'd prefer to vote separate on each of them i need to abstain from 757 okay or will then not make a difference if that's your wish that's holding graph it's just 757 second who seconded are you okay with that okay please call the roll on 757 thank you um verhaselt hi boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson yep steve clonus mani meyer monta mayor ratki ryan and susha 13 eyes one abstention motion carries olem and graf 758 please and your honor i'd move the um at the rc be accepted and adopted in the resolution to put upon its passage for 758 motion second under discussion there being on please call the roll boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson clonus mani meyer monta mayor ratki ryan susha and verhaselt 14 eyes motion carries ordinances introduced 10 759 lies over 760 to 762 to be referred matters laid over 11 630 an ro by the city plan commission recommending rezoning property at 1117 and 1123 north 27th street and 1118 and 1226 north 26th street from mix residential to suburban office olem monta mayor thank you your honor i make a motion that we accept and adopt the ro and the ordinance be put upon its passage there's motion to second under discussion there being none please call the roll berg serda graf hannah kittleson clonus mani meyer monta mayor no ratki ryan susha for hassled and boran 12 eyes two nos motion carries 656 resolution number 520607 by olem and hannah and ryan authorizing the mayor of discretion to remove committee members from committees boards commissions for failure to attend meetings where the excuse or not except that this authority shall not apply to standing committees and committees boards and commissions that are elected by the common council olem and hannah all we need is a motion to file mr. mayor some of the motion second to file under discussion we've heard the discussion earlier all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 678 resolution number 530607 by olem mani adding one additional member an exo facial member to the short-term committee employee renumeration olem and mani thank you your honor um move to put upon passage resolution motion second to put resolution 678 upon its passage under discussion there being none please call the roll serda graf hannah kittleson clonus mani meyer monta mayor radki ryan susha for hassled boran and burg 14 eyes motion carries 675 general ordinance number 80607 by olem and susha clioness monta mayor kittleson and mani amending the municipal code so as to add or change various positions from the department of public works wastewater treatment plant table of organization olem and susha thank you your honor i move the ordinance be put upon its passage motion second put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion thank you i would just like to commend the people who are running the wastewater treatment plant for being proactive they've identified that a good portion of their workforce is going to be retiring in the next couple of years and when you're operating a facility of that nature you need to have multiple years of training and pass a lot of exams before you reach the point where you're capable of of running it on your own you might say so i want to just compliment them on identifying the need to get some people into training um so i i would ask that you um accept this thank you thank y'all susha olem and graf thank you your honor i was just wondering is there any cost connected with this uh that someone would have available to them mr doh would you please step up mayor and council uh where do i begin i've given this presentation to a couple committees those of you that were on those committees were were not privy to all of the the details there is additional cost to to adding to two positions the total cost would be somewhere around 120 000 a year this is at today's rates but what i've looked at in in the organization is we have one classification of operate wastewater operator and that's a pay grade 14 which earns around somewhere between i think 18 and 22 dollars an hour what i proposed is that we actually create classifications uh a operator trainee classification where an employee comes in at a lower pay grade a pay grade eight making about 15 an hour and he's at that pay grade this proposal is actually somewhat of an evolution they come in at a pay grade eight they get one years of experience they take some classes to get learn to get certified certified in wastewater operations and that one year they have to have that license if they don't have that license they can't work at the wastewater plant so if they don't get that license it actually if they came from the public we'd have to let them go if they came from the other part of the union uh the other part of public works they'd have to go back to that part of public works but if they pass that certification they evolve to what would be an operator two or operator one from a trainee to an operator one they would be in that classification for a period of five years or until they had five years more four more years experience five years at which time they have to get higher levels of certification additional certification uh and they would that would be a pay grade 10 uh at at five years if they met them other certification requirements they could move up to an operator three class operator two classification and they would which would be a pay grade 12 and at the end of 10 years they would move up to the current pace grade that they are i've been uh the union has someone probably think we're creating tiers for operators we're not it's all up to the employee to to learn the skills uh the pass the certification and get the experience they would get the experience but they have to be able to pass the test and get the higher certification okay old minor do you have a question for mr doer just to comment thank you mr doer um thank you mr mayor and um thank you mr doer i just want to comment that our wastewater department is fantastic the leadership is wonderful and without clean water in our city we would have no people we would have nothing and the water in our city is fantastic because of the wonderful job that they do thank you all on myer all the work i use yes your honor i also want to commend mr doer i also think it's proactive because he mentioned in his explanation that a number of the duties that higher graded employees are doing can be done by this person starting out person maintenance duties things that are don't require the skills that a person who's studying wastewater management and has certification has so i think he was doing is actually saving us money because these people would be doing grass cutting other things along the around the plant that can be done by someone with more general uh work experience and not specified uh worse wastewater treatment training so i think it's a good way to save money because you're saving on a higher salary at certain times and also vacations and other times when maybe some of these things can be taken care of that way as well thank you all the play units alderman manning thank you your honor important to note that uh right now they have fewer employees than had years ago hiring two additional folks will not change that fact so they are operating more efficiently secondarily it's good to remember that cost savings have been secured because of the turbine uh i forget the name of the turbines but pardon me the capstone turbines so certain numbers of dollars are being saved in 2006 and those dollars increase in the next several years coming so they've been wonderfully proactive not only preparing for the future but it being very efficient in saving dollars today thank you alderman manning okay please call the roll graph hannah kittleson clayunas manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha verhaselt boran berg and serda 14 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 763 will go to public protection and safety 764 a resolution by alderman susha clayunas montemayor kittleson and manny establishing the initial rate of pay for the new administrative assistant to the police chief alderman susha thank you your honor i move that the resolution be put upon its passage we need a motion to suspend oh sorry i move to suspend the rules the motion the second is there any objection please proceed okay i move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion second under discussion thank you i would just like to say that the candidate that was chosen for this position has i believe it was approximately 20 years of service within the city and um being that she was up for a five percent pay increase next year under the steps of longevity in the union it was prudent to give her a six percent pay increase uh to give her uh the opportunity to proceed with this uh position so i would ask that you approve this thank you thank you allman susha allerman montemayor thank you your honor uh at the salary and grievance meeting when we discussed this um deputy chief weiss deputy chief uh um mr sherban and chief kerks spoke very highly of this person that they're hiring so i think it's a good move thank you allman allman matty thank you your honor that the new hiring will be working for about 23 24 hundred dollars less than the previous secretary so this is in effect and that's savings for the city thank you allman matty any more discussion none please call the roll hannah kittleson clayunas manny meyer montemayor ratki ryan susha verhaselt boran burg serda and graph motion 14 eyes motion carries 765 a resolution by allerman susha for information estimates for the capital improvement projects allman susha thank you your honor no money i move that the resolution be put upon its passage motion second under discussion thank you just to provide a little background i was really dismayed last year when i sat on capital improvements because um some of the department heads would come in with requests for you know 50 to 100 thousand dollars um and they'd have no estimates in front of them they would just be guessing you know for example if one building needed a new heating and air conditioning unit and they came in and said they needed 75 thousand dollars i said well how do you know it's going to cost 75 thousand dollars and it was based on a verbal phone conversation and i just think it would make more sense that we get those types of estimates just like we would in our home we go to different vendors and get informational estimates they're non-binding it's just for information and i think it would make the job of the capital improvements a little bit easier because right now if you set the money aside it's public information so then anyone who bids on the project knows how much money you've already set aside thank you thank you all and sushi anything else you need a roll call now all those in favor say aye any opposed motion carries we've got other matters and then before we ask for a motion to adjourn olem and ratki would like to make a comment before we adjourn attorney mclean thank you honor 766 is a RO by the finance director treasurer submitting the harbour center marina balance sheet from operations date of may 31 2006 submitted by skipper marine that will be referred to marina and harbour committee 767 is communication received by the mayor from michael mooth stating that he is in support of creating a dead end on 21st street at the intersection of 21st and calumet and that will be referred to public protection and safety 768 is communication from asher heimerman requesting that the city downtown be smoke free that will be referred to public protection and safety 769 is a communication from jerry hemsing 916 uran avenue stating that he believes the police station should be built behind city hall and stating the reasons why that will go to building use 770 is communication from Beatrice garski 1712 semen avenue stating her issues with road salt being dumped on her grass during snow plowing this past winter and that the grass isn't growing she needs the city to come to rectify the problem that will be referred to public works 771 is communication from sarah scott stating all her concerns with merging police services with the sheriff's department and stating several ideas on how we can can accomplish this that will be referred to public protection and safety 772 is a proposal from david colton to control the bird population or excuse me the bird problem in the city of shabuagan that will be referred to public protection and safety all of them are acting thank you your honor i just want to take a minute here to just personally thank a couple of our friends in the community tomorrow's independence day and a lot of us are going to go out in the city and enjoy many different activities there's a couple of businesses that stood and stepped up to the plate because city budgets keep drying up and those two businesses would really like to thank our friends at community bank and johnson dill foods for providing parade and fireworks but i don't want to forget all the other different groups they'll be spreading out around the city like the friends at the park and shared in park the community theater project the art center to many other groups that'll be around the community putting on the different aspects of our fourth of july celebration thank these people because i really want to thank them for being a part of this community and giving you the citizens a wonderful day to celebrate our country's independence thank you all right yeah i think we all act we're all right comment sir yes i actually it's on a little lighter note tomorrow with the parade all of us alderman and yourself sir are going to be uh doing the shoe leather express i've taken it upon myself uh if if people would agree i do have some golf carts that we can ride in they are going to be decorated in the fourth of july style they do have front seats and back seats so we can ask the golf carts stop we can all get out and you know we're stopping every 20 feet anyway and do all of our uh glad handling and everything that we want to do and maybe lighten up the mood a little bit and i have a good time with the parade rather than just walking up and down sweating so if everybody agrees i i can arrange this to happen if we don't agree we'll walk i would really recommend that you talk to uh susan heart because i did speak to susan and susan said that i needed to speak to everybody here okay i don't know what what i'm saying though is she has a sequence and that sequence is pretty compact because that thing's going to last over two hours so we'll talk to her thank you all right thank you appreciate that alderman boren thank you your honor i just wanted to thank alderman ryan for the offer because i would have great difficulty hoofing it so i appreciate the use of a golf cart thank you very much thank you is there a motion to adjourn check it that was in favor stand adjourned