 those from the general public please take your seats those who are going to stay please stay everyone back in your seats thank you very much we have given the staff an opportunity to reset and I'd like to introduce Mike Frisbee to discuss with us the impact of scope as they've had an opportunity to take a look at some of the proposals now and those changes that we have been the heaven okay great you know how to make us work don't you hey I just this sense this might be my final opportunity for this committee I just wanted to thank the committee and the co-chairs and the over 1,000 people that have come out for all the community meetings they it's clearly been a huge success with every committee but thank you so much for your work I know we're gonna get there this evening I also want to thank Cheryl Scully and our tri-chairs and we have multiple departments that have been involved we even get legal involved we gotta get legal involved we got the budget department we got parks and recreation of course and TCI so quite a team effort we appreciate all that and we did order the rain for the field trips but it was for two reasons one for the drainage committee right but number two if you're on the bus and it's a beautiful sunny day you're not gonna be want to be on the bus so what else you're gonna do when it's raining so let's get right into it and we will start with Hemisphere Park so Hemisphere Park the proposal from D6 was to cut 4.5 million 1.5 million to go to Piper Meadows and 3 million to go to the skateboard part and just as a reminder you know there's five major areas planned for this park whether you're coming in from the new convention center you're coming in from Yanaguan Gardens from the Chavez side Alamo Street Market Street coming in through that intersection there with the source plaza the promenade the great lawn the Zocalo which is a fancy name for a built-in stage area and the shallows you can see some of those pictures here and you saw it on the bus tour it's a major deal so 4.5 million dollar cut to the project would be major major cut in fact anything you know they initially came with significantly more in the ask than 21 million staff looked at everything the 850 million decided that the lowest we could get and still get those five elements in there and make that that project work was the 21 million the other concern would be that as as the development happens around the park area it's going to be harder to build more expensive to build the elements in the future so of course our recommendation is keep it at 21 and get those get those five elements in there botanical gardens again the botanical gardens has been a huge partner in bond programs funding millions of dollars worth of improvements on their own through fundraising they estimate that there be 13 million leveraged here from the 7 million that's being proposed they initially asked for 9 we as staff cut it to 7 to get it into the program they expect to leverage 13 more million to make this a beautiful center here it's a multifunction event center to host symposiums exhibitions flower shows seminars it can be set up for approximately 350 attendees theater style 300 classroom style or 220 banquet style so the proposal here from district 2 was to cut 1.95 million and then district 7 1.35 million for a total cut of 3.3 so you could see what that would do to going from 7 million down to 3.3 would would be a dramatic impact of course and affect the whole project it would be estimated that we would have to drop that project 35 to 40 percent on the square footage of that facility which would be a big detriment to the project the zoo parking garage right now the current funding that's planned provides for that three-level parking 200 spaces on each level so a million dollar cut a 2 million dollar cut sorry district 5 recommended a 2 million dollar cut to fund district 5 park projects again we would have to drop a floor off of the garage if it's reduced by 2 million so it would be a two-story garage with the plans to add a third story in the future that's obviously harder to do when it's in use by the park and by the zoo and so forth so really the parking needs are tremendous for Bracken Ridge Park that whole area not just the zoo but that whole area so two million dollar reduction would be a significant cut it could be it could be fundraising right it's a little bit a little more difficult to fundraise for a parking garage then for some things so but that could happen but it would be our intent would have to take it down to a probably a two-story garage instead of a three world heritage this one is within district 3 you know the world heritage area the cutting the 400,000 reduced by 400,000 to fund the Stinson 5 diamonds it's interesting that that Stinson Park is in the world heritage area so the way it's set up here actually as staff recommended it could end up going to Stinson 5 diamonds but there's no guarantee if the money is moved specifically and called out for Stinson 5 diamonds and it would assure that as it goes on the city council that it would be spelled out that way so it's within district 3 it is an option that can be considered UiW sports fields district 3 recommended cutting 800,000 to fund the Via Coronado and JUPI parks and then district 5 recommended cutting a million to fund the normal senior softball league improvements and that that would leave a million so UiW's initial request was 10 million and we put a staff recommendations 2.8 into the program this would take it down to a million there would be a very difficult obviously they would it would just put a lot more pressure on the leveraging part by University of Incarnate Word to come up with more dollars to make that phase one the phase one is a ten million dollar project so if it's reduced further it'll just require much more leveraging on the other side Miller's pond reduction of 130,000 to go to stablewood that's again it's within district 4 and just means a little change of scope change of improvements but can be done and then the district 6 I think we've got the math hopefully we got the math straight so basically an 8% reduction on six parks to fund more improvements there at North San Antonio Hills Park so again within within the district of the higher years engineer to help us out of the city with the 8% cuts Opiech navel so we recommended just under 8 you see that odd number there of 7.964 d7 recommended cutting by a million to go to Old Spanish Trail which happens to be in D1 physically but it's right there servicing the D1 and D7 area this this is a it's be a significant concern because of the land acquisition there's a if you saw on the tour there's a 94 acre property that we are looking to purchase with the bond program and so if this full one million was taken we would not be able to purchase the property so that's a big deal so could could consider a lesser amount or something we have a land acquisition we have a small amount for like a phase one some park improvements but if it's the full one million it basically would jeopardize the project the parent homestead again the the idea of taking the 1.5 and splitting it so you have 750,000 for the parent homestead and then 750,000 for the Battle Creek project we think that's that's doable we'll do less at the homestead but that should be enough to get it started and that do some renovations inside and around and get it so that it can be programmed we'll just have to scale back a little bit but it's within district seems seems reasonable okay I'll turn it back to the co-chairs all right I'm gonna be taking names so hold your name cards up we're gonna go for questions since we all have information bill I got you first Olga sorry sorry let me get let me get Olga cuz we cut her off at the end of last part Olga then bill okay thank you I just wanted to say that you know when we first met when we first went around on the districts what they needed for their parks and what they wanted with the parks we had an understanding that if you were gonna take some project that was not within the staff recommended list that the monies would be shuffled around in your district and not take from other districts I don't know what the understanding is anymore because everyone's taken from here there recanting and everything else so I'm kind of confused but one thing that I'm not confused about is district one having 34,850,000 in their in their bond money amount trying to take money from a seven million district three is just not right that would leave us they want two million from district three from the UIW which is we're not in agreement with that that would leave us at five million they have 34 million dollars in district one district one and district two together 34 million for district one 23 for district two together they have 58 million which leaves like 56 million for the rest of us that's to me that's not I know they have bigger projects and that's fine I'm willing to to see that we're willing to understand that they do have bigger projects but us in district three we have small projects you know we're asking for a skate park that costs three hundred thousand dollars you all are asking for space skate parks that cost four million we don't need that we just want we don't have wants we want needs our kids say the a coronado Harlandale Kingsborough they weren't in the 2012 bond so we're asking for monies and we want to keep our monies in our district UIW is important to us it's important to us because we have the University of Incarnate word going in there with a medical facility if y'all remember I know some of you are too young maybe but John F Kennedy was at City Base so it's important to us just like it's important to the larger districts so that's all I want to say but I just want to get the agreement I want to know the rules you know if they're willing if they're gonna be taken from our district well you know we don't want to take from other districts but if that's the case then we're gonna go ahead and do the same because we want to keep our seven million dollars and we don't think a 34 million dollar district should go into a seven million dollar district and take two million away thank you Bill Bailey yes Mike could you clarify on the parking garage and the monies that they're going to show up to the side of the river and the other the other projects how many parking spaces do we have in the parking lot now at the at the zoo at the zoo is here 600 approximately Xaver says about 600 spaces so the parking garage will will will double you're gonna keep the old parking lot yeah so the proposal for the garage does not eliminate any existing parking within the park so the parking garage is proposed to be built not on parkland but on land that the San Antonio zoo has a lease agreement with SISD on okay so you have a memorandum memorandum of understanding to get that done they they do yes sir so all together if we do the the 600 spaces at the zoo we'll have another 600 in parking lot so we'll have 1200 spaces and actually there's actually a little bit more because we have the other plot that goes more toward the garden second gardens theater and those areas okay one other thing I would say which is not connected to parks but as I understand you're gonna have one road into the to the zoo and you're gonna block the other roads off no sir so no no road closures okay and no elimination of parking or associated at all okay all right thank you okay so with that that is going to let's see oh Nicholas Nicholas has a thanks Lisa I just like to say for district 2 we do not support the proposals by district 5 or district 7 to move funds out of our district you know I think we've been discussing all night the importance of sort of respecting the general rough proportionality that's been agreed upon by council that's why we changed our proposal to take money from hard burger to move it around within our district instead we ask that the other districts respect that and so I just want to make it clear that we do not support any proposals that move funds out of district 2 so and with that said what we will do now is we are going to take individual votes we're gonna start making motions and voting now and so the way this will work is that we are going to vote on all of the we're gonna take a motion on voting and vote on all of the districts that are taking monies within each other so that's district 4 6 and 10 because you all have made votes and proposals excuse me you all have made proposals that stay within the district and then we will then vote on those districts and those motions excuse me let me explain that we will vote on all of those together then we will take each individual district that has proposals with city wide implications and you will vote on those individually that way if you agree or don't agree your vote will count if you don't agree with it then we will take that individually sorry will we be able to make changes before we do the vote yes you'll be able to make sure we can do that okay any other question yes now yeah I have a question for Mike Frisbee yes Mike as far as I know that when we had come up with a state park the estimate that you had given was 4 million initially and that included land acquisition and if we had the land it would be 3 million when I look at the paper that you had given about estimated park amenity cost the skate park size and I take it this is a skateboard park the estimated size was 300,000 to 1.3 million based about size and skill level what size park would 1.3 million give I'm gonna refer to Xavier our parks and recreation director so to give you an order of magnitude Pierceall Park which just opened recently that skate park more or less around 1.3 million dollars to build that that that caliber of a park of skate park okay thank you Xavier on Saturday we had some good discussion about Brackenridge and the park and you talked about the use joint use between San Antonio Peninsula school district and the zoo of who actually owned the property but you also told me about how it would be used 24-7 because of the stadium there they're able to park and it's a public parking garage can you elaborate a little bit more on that for us so the other ones who did not go on the tour they can sure my understanding is the zoo is part of their arrangement with the school district when there are school district fun functions which usually are in the evenings when the zoo is closed that they would have access to the facility we have also talked to the zoo about the availability of the facility for park users who maybe are attending an event at the Japanese Tea Garden or at the second gardens theater so the benefit of the parking garage is that it's not just operational during the daylight hours or operational when the zoo is open zoo has hours you know they do have special events in the evenings but normally they're you know they close in the evening when he starts getting dark which then allows a whole separate use available available for the garage so it has multiple functions beyond just serving the zoo thank you sir okay let's see hold on one second what I'd like to do let me first ask the nature of your questions I do I want to start I want to start voting so there's a nature of your question regarding or you want to make changes is it common or a question okay so we're still in skateboard park can we wait until we get to skateboard let's wait till we get to skateboard park Sean and my is just a statement of clarity of something that was mentioned before break that may have been misunderstood if I may and it and I believe that it would be relevant to the voting process as we look forward if that okay go ahead Sean okay well first of all I want to ensure that the intensity of the statements that district one may concern civic park was not to be mistaken for in sensitivity for other districts and for other projects I know that every district has the same rock and hard place between getting projects completed versus the projects that need to be introduced and done for the betterment of the community and I know each district has that area as I listen to the very intense words from District 3 I begin to think about some of the words that she said understand that she also in the same difficult scenario so I just want to I want to I just want to ensure that the intensity of funding civic park that we had is not being mistaken as being insensitive but it's just intensity in the context of we have to get this park done and I just want to ensure that we keep this the 21 million dollars if possible I'm not trying to hijack the process I'm not trying to strong drama scenario but it's just an intensity based upon the necessity of the project being completed but I do want to say for the record I am very sensitive to the other districts and what they have to do as well and definitely with District 3 I do understand what she was saying exactly and all honesty she made a lot of sense what she said and with that being said I was really sure that we're not coming across as being insensitive but our aggressiveness is just and one to get the the project finally completed so we can move forward with other projects across the city thank you we appreciate your comments Sean appreciate that okay so with that I'm gonna read as we have stated we've already heard quite a bit of it but for the record I'm gonna read the proposals for four six and ten what we have captured and then I'm gonna be requesting a motion and a second and then we'll open it for discussion and then a vote so what we have proposed for City Council District 4 we have Miller's pond to be reduced by 130,000 to be moved to Stablewood Park that would be increased by 130,000 then we moved to City Council District 6 we've got the the magically reduction of 8% reduction of 32,000 to top and then to Tom Slick Park 32,000 the district 6 park package 72,000 reduction Culebra Park 32,000 new territories 32,000 Oscar Perez 32,000 north San Antonio Hills 32,000 for sorry sorry that's the addition of the cumulative of 232,000 then we moved to Council District 10 for the parent homestead that would be reduced by 750,000 that would be moved to Perron Creek Park of 750,000 so all of those we would like to have I request a motion for that all of those moves to be to be accepted if I have a motion please okay mark thank you for that motion and a second all right Kathy we have a second now open it for discussion there any discussion on that hearing none I would like to open it up for a vote all those in favor please raise your hand it looks like that is unanimous well let's see all those not in favor please raise your hand so that is a unanimous vote those all move forward you're okay and Ken is recusing himself so please show for the record and we also have one absentee we have two absentees Mark Guerrero and Rosa Wilson are absent and Israel Zuniga are absent three absent members okay so Audrey I believe Audrey is taking our roll our vote record thank you Audrey okay so now that we've gotten that passed we're gonna move on to Council District 2 and this is going to begin where we've got a decision on the movement when we are looking at movement with citywide implications since but the Botanical Gardens is a citywide project so this reduction as we know it is a one point nine one point nine five million dollar reduction to be allocated to the Dawson project of 750,000 to then MLK Plaza increased by 650,000 to Pitman Sullivan 550,000 may I have a motion please to have this accepted Nicholas Revard may I have a second please Doug McMurray is a second with that motion on the table is there any discussion on that or questions of staff question is there need to be a clarification of the math is that what I'm hearing no okay any discussion on that all that is clear no discussion so with that could we have a vote please do you have a question Doug oh okay he's ready to vote let's go it okay move it on move on faster okay all those in favor please raise your hand all those not in favor please raise your hand unanimous vote okay City District County District Council District number three was there any are you anybody else abstaining yes some people didn't vote so yeah who did not vote yeah I need you to say abstain for each one I think we need to do that again because there were quite a few people that I think didn't vote okay who did not vote who who abstained I need to know abstentions who abstained raise your hand hi if you please please for the record abstentions Marcos and Ken thank you because we need to make sure we see it in the back okay and that motion passes thank you very much okay so Council District 3 this is a reduction of World Heritage by 400,000 UIW by 800,000 to be increased to the Via Coronado project for 600,000 to the Jupe project by 200,000 the five diamonds project by 400,000 project is 1.2 million dollar accumulatively may I have a motion please Meryl motion may I have a second please Jesse second although any discussion questions of staff no questions all those in favor okay all those in favor all those not in favor okay all those abstaining all those abstaining all those okay some people not voting so if some members not voting so okay fine that motion passes okay Council District number five we move on reduction of the UIW of UIW budget by one million dollars of the zoo garage by two million dollars then to be increased by the Council District 5 parks package by two million dollars and to increase by one million dollars the norm oil senior league by one million dollars cumulative increase by three million dollars may I have a motion please I've seen a motion first motion first and a second okay Valeria is the first motion can I have a second please Melanie a second any discussion okay so we are going to switch around a few things we have decided to move yes you can yes okay to take a million from botanical giving back the million dollars to one one million to the garage moving the 650,000 from the norm normal park over to the senior the normal senior league okay so we've decided to oh yeah looks right which is our own district so in effect what we'll need to do is withdraw the original motion and use this as a substitute so that'll be the request so you'll make sure if I may just to clarify so the normal park was in the original staff proposal at 650 so what's being recommended is that be that dollar amount be zeroed out and then just be allocated specifically to the senior softball at normal park so if you will make that motion and madam chair it's already a motion on the floor and second so my question is do we get a response because we're there twice district too so she needs to they need to request that they withdraw their original motion their original proposal their original motion so you need to make that request so yes we request to withdraw our original motion and and also just as a reminder district five is getting less than five million dollars total allocation and this is why we're trying to move funds around and if you know and we do we ask our committee members to consider that because we are not getting as much as many of the districts so just as a reminder we really ask for your help in that so so yeah so now you're saying that you're with you already withdrew it so now you're asking for this work to be replaced okay and so you need a second on that one too as well so now we need this second we need a second okay so let me just get it from another district and then Kathy will take your comment so we needed a second can we get a second from another district please okay Richard Richard is the second Kathy you had a comment or question I thought they gave back the one million to the zoo garage from what I'm looking at and they took two million from Hemisphere and I don't see Hemisphere up there anymore in the first round they drew that and I thought they just gave the million back for the zoo garage okay thanks Nicholas you have a question comment yeah I just want to reiterate that we did not support any of this money leaving district two with all due respect to Valeria I'm sure the needs are great in your district they're also great in ours the concept of rough proportionality is with respect to all five committees so while you might be receiving less money here that's not really the relevant point it's about the sum total of all five and I don't want this community to get distracted with the idea that parks is the only bucket of money out there there's already been an agreement between the council people that the division is more or less fair and it's our task to sort of adjust that within the district so again we do not support this this proposal Allison this proposal passes what does that leave the San Antonio Botanical Gardens Xavier can you address that please so this would lead the facility at virtually try to the size and scale that it would not be operational in the sense of the full extent of what it could be the amount of improvements done at the now garden we only have one botanical garden at the whole city of San Antonio so it represents the whole city it has no indoor space that's usable by groups and this would reduce the size down to even smaller so the number of either school children or events or instruction that could be provided at the garden which again still be limited only to what the weather would allow because there is not any space at the garden today also it is the next phase of a multi-phase plan that has been underway mostly supported privately the city only provided 1.2 million in the previous year a previous bond program excuse me the rest was privately funded so this is one of the major components that's missing from the other improvements that have been made to date and then I think Bill was okay Valeria I just also want to remind everyone that the zoo parking garage is also being recommended in the facilities portion of our bond of our bond recommendations as well so they will be getting recommended for that in facilities so not to be distracted by this being a parks issue it's also in facilities a question if we take money away from the botanical gardens we were talking about a minute ago about what's left over from 2012 Mike do we are we gonna have enough money from the 2012 to put it in there and if so I'd make a motion that if there's any money left over from 2012 that we put it on either the garage or the botanical gardens first first the answers no especially in the category of parks any savings that we realize is typically in the street project or to drainage maybe but we don't actually expect much in Allison did you raise your hand no that was my question in regards to what would be left gotcha Sean and then David yes my question is in the same context as Allison's as it relates to in corner word we've already passed $800,000 to I'm leaving corner word and now there'll be additional $1 million the question is what the money that's left for the corner word what would they do to that particular project so if let's say there's a million left yeah I recall we already passed the vote for $800,000 within District 3 already to take away from the 2.8 there's that they was asking for and then with this a million dollars being taken away it only leave a total of one million dollars left for the project itself and with that destroy the project or would a project still be able to move forward with only one million dollars not on its own that so this would require a significant leverage from outside of the city it would require the University of car word to fundraise whatever to produce because they're there remember their first phase which they had a lot of different elements to that they had 12 tennis courts and bleachers a 400 meter track to soccer fields parking and field lighting that was all part of the 10 million that could probably be scaled back some but they were looking at that as a first phase so if the city provides one million towards that it's better than nothing but they're gonna it's gonna require a significant fund raising beyond the city so it it would delay it well would destroy it is that correct you well you can always you know it would be seed dollars a lot of times when there's a leverage partner that has to fundraise it helps them a lot to be able to go out and say the city's invested this much money so a million dollars is still million dollars they would leverage against that and they would do something I'm sure see David then Grace then Olga question for the district five folks and has this your proposal been coordinated with the district two and district three members of the committee and has it been discussed with your council person yes there we go yes it has actually been discussed with the council person we've had communications with district three there was communication about the senior softball league and they do want to see that funded not technically at the expense of you IW but you IW is a private institution and I do feel like they have the ability to pull funds together a little more readily than let's say the senior softball league they don't they aren't able to bring those kinds of funds together although I will say that the senior softball league has already invested at least $80,000 of their own moneys and that's from their actual like they they their memberships which they don't make the participants pay a lot for and it's a yearly membership but it's encompassing their senior softball league is encompassing all districts all areas all zip codes in the city so we really are as it is a city-wide impact and they are also going to benefit the actual park itself there is a new bathroom on the park campus that is over flooded with sewage so it's locked up most of the time a brand new facility the old facility isn't even like nice enough to really go into but it doesn't have sewage so then you got to go there it's not a day compliant currently so there's a lot of things that can happen and these folks are actually going out to play leagues in Vegas and other cities and that would the intent would be that they could bring business to the city and they could bring people here to do their leagues and their competitions here if they had a field that was up to code and up up to the standard so that's really why we're trying to motion for the senior league I and I just don't I don't have money to pull from I've got 4,387,500 dollars I don't have any money in my district that's why I'm trying to leverage money from different districts and I'm sorry I get the everybody's you know projects are very very important but we're trying to build up this district a little bit and that's where I'm trying to move money from so did I answer all your questions well partially I don't have any problem with the softball league I support that my question and I guess I need the district 2 and district 3 folks spoke up is do you all have an agreement to do this between the three of you no thank you my question is you know we get these you know packages as as we have reflected up there and is it possible to vote on each line item instead of as a package because you know I feel like you know it's it's all or nothing and maybe you know that is that an option that's my question I know I think as we see it and there's obviously ones that we would support and ones that we don't but unfortunately the math doesn't work out work out that way so we're gonna have to take a vote on this package and then go through the other districts and then come back and see if there are other changes that can be made in order to to make it work out and actually I think Olga is next and then Ken I wanted to say I support the normal seniors with their you know trying to get their park updated and improved UIW is important to district 3 but to answer the gentleman's question in district 1 if that money is taken away from UIW we would not want it to go anywhere else but to normal softball senior league they've been trying to get this into 2012 bond so I know it's up to staff to do the finals but that is where we want to be right now we want UIW to keep our money but like he says if this does get voted in and that one million dollars goes to district 5 then the leftover money that probably UIW would not be able to use would be needed to go to district 5 with the normal senior softball league and we're in agreement with trying to keep UIW money where it's at so it's up to the votes Ken district 10 is one of the districts also that didn't get a lot of money but we're going to respect the process and we're going to support districts 2 and 3 to not take money from another district Charles I just want to say the tour show me some of the real issues with the zoo and with botanical gardens and this is about capacity and things and bring allowing more people to enjoy what some of us know or maybe not know and to take money from these projects to make them fail is it really makes my heart bleed and so I would beg that you not take money from the zoo and district 2 and additional money is from the botanical gardens because we've already been told by a council person Mr. Dillard asked us to respectfully speak with our council person we respect our leadership and he told us to give back the money to Hartburg Park and stay within our lane and we're staying within our lane with botanical gardens and we ask that everybody respect that because we can help because we have all the regional pieces but we want to make sure that they don't collapse and they're safe and so forth it won't be closed so this is more than just window dressing here these are some serious issues of capacity and so that they can get through the what you call it development services and those type of things so we do not support district 3 of the district here this 5 I'm sorry taking money from my district we don't have the overflow that you think and we waited for years to get to this point because at times we got nothing in district 2 so just in that respect I have to follow my councilman Alan Ward who has told us to stay within our own lane and we just ask that district 5 find something else will wait like I have 15 20 years to to be here so thank you very much Marcos I very rarely agree with mr. English but I fully agree today I I don't I will not have voting favor of this one we're taking money from the sugar arch and botanical gardens the gardens I don't know if you've been there lately but it's that project is under construction already so you're basically going to leave it at halfway so I'm not going to support this the motion the way it is okay Javanna and then we think we're going to take it to a vote sure okay so there are some of you that are not willing to support this what do you suggest we do we don't have the funding in our own district so does anyone have any ideas on how we can get this funded and there's a need we're not taking because we think you have all this money it's just we feel that it's a fair thing to do especially for normal softball league so please anybody that's got ideas please help us let's take a vote and then I think in the second round it looks like there are pieces of it that will be supported so with that I'm we're going to call the question all those in favor we've got the we have the proposal before us it's been read and we can see it on the screen so all those in favor of the district five proposal please raise your hand please raise your hand high all those not in favor please raise your hand okay and how many abstain we have one two abstentions maryl Britton down council district six and Ken and the motion care the motion fails but we would ask I think all of us ask is I think that there are some there are pieces of it that are going to support be supported in the second round okay and what I think what we'll do is we're going to take a quick break and then we can reset and then I think we'll get it we'll get a piece of it done sounds like okay all right so that was for council district five we're going to move to council district six council district six proposal is a reduction of four point five million dollars to hemisphere to be divided to Piper Meadow at the amount of for an increase of a amount of one point five million dollars and also the increase of to the skate park at three million dollars for that total change to the budget of four point five million dollars so I look for to council district six and I look for that motion do I have a motion motion do I have a second without a second okay it comes from the same district so I believe in order to get it we had discussed that we were gonna get a second district we need to get it from a second district ask this is the motion that's up there yes we're going to be changing okay so if I can't make a change without a second then we're really delaying the process no so basically that motion is going to fail because we don't have it so go ahead and well basically we're gonna is we're going to change it anyway because it never got made so go ahead and make your change okay while we were while Richard and I were having a friendly discussion with district one Xavier was having a more friendly destruction with Margarita and the Piper's meadow is primarily if you heard me speak it's primarily a connection to the linear Creekway and Xavier feels that that can be done under the linear Creekway projects as opposed so we will remove that from this process so that's the one-and-a-half million that's a compromise now the other thing is I'm gonna meet with hopefully we're going to have a break before we have another round yes I want to meet with I keep both Maria and I want to talk with Maria and Xavier and see maybe we can reduce that amount for that part skate or park so do you want to delay this vote at this time I'd appreciate it either that or we have to have another one okay so why don't we what do we put this on hold then we can table this okay so we're going to wait on this for a second round okay okay can I can see you're having a heart attack over there well can we make a motion to deny that to deny what what their original proposal was I mean it gives them the original proposal was never seconded by anybody for approval it was but if I never got seconded I'm making a separate separate motion to deny it I think that would probably be seconded taking three million dollars from Hemisphere Park I heard so can the motion failed because there was no no second so Marles gonna take this back and discuss during the recess okay then okay so we're gonna move on to Council District 7 Council District 7 has a reduction of botanical gardens by 1.3 million dollars and a council excuse me and a reduction of one million dollars to the OP Schnabel budget line item with an increase to the Monticello line item by 350,000 and an increase of two million dollars to the old Spanish Trail line item with an overall adjustment of 2.3 5 million dollars may I have a motion for that proposal yes Jacob as a motion I need somebody from another council district to second that Richard is the second any discussion on that Charles sounding like I'm repeating myself but botanical gardens is a great asset and like I said our council person told us to stay within our own lane and to take additional monies from botanical gardens outside and their tremendous investment I think they said upwards of 16 million dollars they've already shown their private part and we need to make sure that we're showing them the public piece so I would say we are against taking money from district to botanical gardens Phoebe you know I do think that it's commendable to consider staying in your own lanes but they can't be the blanket movement across this whole conversation that we're having I feel like we're here for a reason and we were like asked to look at this and try and make things equitable and try and share and kind of come together and I don't understand how we're supposed to at this point now you know unless we stay in our lane it's not gonna pass I really don't understand how that's the process that we were even asked to do tasked to do grace well we are district 7 is we are really advocating for old Spanish Trail because we we actually don't have the OST in district 7 it's in district one but because of the fact that it's right on the boundary and we have a lot of students and families that would be able to utilize it in district 7 it's on Fredericksburg Road where we have you know great transportation and we're leveraging what the county has put in we just felt that it's it's really important and again it's not even in it's not district 7 but we're advocating for something in district one in the very beginning we had district one move three million dollars over from Hemisphere on their own we had thought we had an agreement of working together on that and so they rescinded that today it's really unfortunate because you know I thought we had a working partnership but that's not the case and the the reality is it stays in district one the money actually stays in district one it doesn't come to district 7 so I would hope that everyone would understand that yes we do appreciate downtown we do appreciate all of the the cultural assets that we have we do have to look at the the the all the different parks that we have including San Pedro Creek and everything else but we do have to also go out a little bit outside of downtown and capture an opportunity where we have a great a great opportunity with this particular project and again it's not even in 7 but we're looking at the people that live within 7 and 1 Bell a question again from Mike Mike if you take the one million dollars from Opie Snable you can't purchase the land is that correct if you take the phone one million we can't purchase the land so that's a line it's just this is non-starter so you have a million dollars for someplace else if I do this okay that's so but let me understand there's and you're not going to use any of that money from for any other part of Snable this was set for land purchase right well the 7.964 so we had the land acquisition and then we had a small park improvement project but if it if it goes below if you take a million it drops below the 7 million mark and we will not be able to purchase the land so all you can do is the parking lot yeah you do there is a parking lot end up with significant dollars there but not enough to buy the 8 the big acreage that was really the purpose of the project okay so actually they can just take Opie Snable off the table right no it doesn't so I got Allison Nicholas and then Melanie you know okay Allison and then Melanie just want to comment district 10 does not support any more funding coming from the Danco Gardens we're already kind of limited there and crossing the lanes how we're depending on our best but changing lanes that was a good good analogy stay on the road and just stay off the road but we just don't support any more money coming out of the Danco Gardens it's kind of a singular sensation so it's make sure it gets what it needs Melanie so two things first actually because this property that is wanting to be acquired is still on the market it really we're at the subjugation of the seller themselves so we need to keep that into consideration the next thing is also I have a question for staff what is the non acquisition price then what was the question okay so you have this lumped in for acquisition and then non acquisition so what have you valued the golf course for the acquired land and then also what is what what what price tag have you placed on the so we're we're in the middle in negotiations but what I could tell you is if again if you took the full million from this from the staff recommended dollar amount we would not be able to purchase the land if you you know if you dropped it by 500,000 something like that you would you'd be okay we wouldn't be able to do any park improvements which are expected there but you could still purchase the land but I can't I can't tell you specifically because it's still part of a negotiation okay well I don't know how many of you have also been involved in real estate I'm actually somewhat involved as a business owner and so I do know that the prices of land do vary from time to time and obviously so now they're gonna see that this is a hot commodity so obviously they're gonna want to jack up the price so what's the same we haven't agreed upon price we haven't agreed upon price that's not set in stone until you sign we've signed so that that's as far as I can go at this point but yep great show good well with that information then I guess we would only take the parking lot money whatever that is and we have to modify our motion that's on the floor because no we do not want to not purchase the land so whatever you have as that budget number could we put that in as the deduct from OP Schnavel so I would say if you if you budgeted you know if we budgeted 7.2 or 7.3 then you'd be you'd be okay if you don't want any park improvements so you'd be right in that range right there if you want some park improvements you could you could you know drop this to 7.5 of like that we could do some minor things in the park then what is the number of the deduct that we should take so that we can continue with our purchase of the property we need to we would need to withdraw the proposal so we would need to we'd need to follow the same process I know we'd have to withdraw but I just want to know what the number is so we could put it up and then put the motion seven and a half okay we want to withdraw the motion for a million deduct at OP Schnavel and put in what if you want to if you want to reduce it you could go up to six hundred thousand and and put it okay so then please remove the motion for the one million and we'd like to mark and make a second is that fine and then we're gonna put then we're gonna make a motion for the six hundred thousand right exactly yes what's the price you want to propose by six hundred thousand okay can I make a motion now yes is it at this okay I would like to make a motion for the package that we have reflected okay so the district seven substitute motion has been made is there a second we need a second from another district in order to go for a vote is there somebody that would do a friendly second all right thank you Valeria Valeria has made a second and any more discussion yes Charles here we go again I'm the defender of district 2 and Botanical Gardens is a regional opportunity to try Centennial 300-year celebrations they already prove themselves on the private piece of almost 16 million dollars and we need to do our part as public so we have the capacity to showcase the Botanical Gardens which happened to be in district 2 so district 2 is following his leadership which is Alan work for district 2 a council person and he told us to stay in our own lane and therefore we went to take from our own which is Botanical Gardens but we're not here to make the project fail so I would ask that we not take 1350 from Botanical Gardens so that he can participate in Tri Centennial when we celebrate 300 years in San Antonio Texas any more discussion with that world all those in favor of the proposal as we see it on the screen all those in favor please raise your hand all those not in favor please raise your hand okay do you have our votes all those abstaining please raise your hand with two abstentions from District 5 Peebe Gonzalez and Johanna Lopez district 5 okay very good so with that we're gonna that motion fails and we'll come back to have you guys rework that here we're in a in another round so we're gonna give you guys one one more round to put that together so we're not gonna go through many more rounds okay so let me just recap we basically have right now districts four six ten two three have all finalized their proposals okay yet we still have six on hold and we now have seven what we still have five that needs to work out there's we have one six that needs is on hold and seven that needs to work theirs out now and I want to circle back now to district one who had a change that we're gonna go through now so district one sorry they had no changes district ages and no changes what district one okay so again what district one we're asking to and to keep 21 million dollars to fully fund the Civic Park project and then before it and now I want to clarify something before we go to our second round would there be a break in between the sessions yes after you guys we're gonna take a break okay and then we're gonna talk with district seven to see what kind of strategy we could work to put together to do what we can for the soccer field for old Spanish as well but for right now we want to ask to put 21 million dollars to Civic Park and then we'll discuss a strategy with district seven concerning old Spanish Trail soccer complex so is that is that a motion I mean that's that's how much that's the staff recommendation is the 21 million dollars yes ma'am so we're a motion to keep the 21 million dollars at Civic Park and then once we go into our second round we discuss a strategy concerning the old Spanish Trail soccer field but as far as the motion itself we're our motioning for the 21 million dollars to stay with the staff recommendation between 21 million dollars to Civic Park so you are then withdrawing any of the proposals that you made before is that correct that's correct yes ma'am wait can we pull up district one that we have before oh you already withdrew it okay yes ma'am we did we've in the previous discussion we've asked for 21 million dollars to be allocated to Civic Park and we was going to table until we discussed with district seven the strategy for the old Spanish Trail soccer complex okay so really there we haven't approved anything for district one so there's nothing to vote on at this point right until until you have a conversation and make any changes then staff's recommendation holds at this point perfect okay so let's take I really would like to get this done in less than 10 minutes if we can so why don't we just recess quickly and let's try to get this conversation done as quick as possible okay