 As well, just quickly, I wanted to get your thoughts if that's right on how you think we're going to transition from Everton Football Club to more of a global, I don't want to say franchise, but, you know, when I get on the tube and away from work, there's people from all around the world with spurs bags. I don't think, as a kid, no one supported spurs at all. Like, I, not honestly, I had the choice to support in spurs or Everton as a kid, and I picked Everton, so, you know, I do give all to myself, so I'd reckon we could do that. I mean, signing a big player does help, you know, we've spoken the last couple of weeks about sticking your chest out and going and actually going full in. We've worked, and in the Tuesday topic, we've done that as well, again, it'll be out after this. You've got to be bold, haven't you? You've got to start, say, you know, we're going to do, are we doing this? We've got the stadium approved. That's going to happen. It's going to get built. So are we just going to be a decent club with a boss stadium, or are we going to be a club who's going to go, you know what, let's go and do this properly. You know, Liverpool have just got all this, not Liverpool, but the company run Liverpool, I've just got this huge investment, half a billion, and the reckon that's going to be used to invest in other clubs, create this network of clubs. But like the city? Yeah, to build their brand with people like James and people like that from different areas of sport. And that's big. So we have to, how do we catch up with players, trophies, the stadium will help, it'll be a real key thing. We've got to start saying, what are we going to do? Are we going to just be this club who now and again, who's going to throw us as a bone by getting sponsored by this company and getting sponsored by that company? Or is he just going to come in and go, you know what, it's my money. I've got a lot of money and I want to put it into a football club, because that's the only real way, because at the moment, what are we doing? What are we doing? We're just going, oh, yeah, we've got a great manager. Where's the players? They're the ones who make the difference. Go and buy some real quality players, and I'm not saying, by the way, go and get a lakaku or go and get whoever else, one of the top names out there. I'm saying go and get the next crop, do it properly. At the moment, we're just like in between, aren't we? The spares thing is interesting, because they obviously haven't won any trophies, so they've done it by building a good side and getting into the Champions League regularly, haven't they? Also, as well, Josie, because they're in London, they're a big deal anyway. But you're absolutely right, Everton and Trotnam, even going back Potatino, till when he started, Everton and Trotnam were still very much on a par, you know? We'd be similar. In fact, Everton, when Moise come up until about 2011, finished above Spare, and now Redd, not bad, a good couple of seasons, but in general, we were always above Spare, or there, or there about. And they just took it on. The Granders helped them, it seemed, to have made them even bigger, because they've got that stadium. The NFL linked up. The NFL linked up as well, but because they were in the Champions League, that's how they were able to... And Kane. And Harry Kane scoring goals. So Everton have got a look at it and go, we've got this great stadium coming in three years on the banks of the Royal Blue Mesa. It'll be everywhere. That'll give us elevation. But the thing that Everton have to do is get into Euro. Now, this is frustrating now for this year, because eight weeks ago, we'd got ourselves in an incredible position to get into Euro. It was all on us to blow it, and low and behold, Everton have put themselves now in a position where they're going to have to go soon to get European football. But if Everton can get European football, and have a strong season next season, buying the players that Peds, talking about young players, growing as a team, people will start taking us more seriously and going, actually, these are up and coming. They're going to this stadium. They've got Carlo Ancelotti, look at the players they've got, look at the results they're having, and people do take you more seriously then. I actually think Everton would be perceived better than Leicester City are doing, if Everton done what Leicester are doing, if that makes sense. I think people would look at Everton like, because of the backing in who they've got would look at Everton like they were a real shit. Where I think they look at Leicester and go, oh, they're a good side, and you give them a little pat on their head because it's Leicester. I think with Everton, people would talk about Everton as being heavyweights again. But Gary Neville said it last night, apparently, he said, every time Everton get the opportunity to do something, this is what they do, because it's just that they never do anything. So until we can change that perception, we're not going to become global like space, that are you see it? Yeah, definitely about 100%, but it's just, I just can't believe the transition to what they were to what they are now. I remember I come out of my nan's house, and when I saw the stadium, it literally was breathtaking. It's like a Coliseum, absolutely huge, and getting all people from around the world. I love Planet Goodison Park, and I love our identity, but I don't want to lose that. I feel like my mate that's a United fan the other day went, I'd be ashamed whenever Everton goes because it's one of the last proper clubs. And I thought, do you know what, here we are, but then we've got to move on. We can't be little old Everton, we've got all this money, we need to start going places, sorry. Sorry mate, there's a lot of reasons behind that though as well though, because you just mentioned what Tottenham have done. You've got to be prepared to leave your traditional fans behind in a way. You've got to be prepared, I was listening to John Blaine on the Business Matters podcast the other day, and obviously they all come from it, we're in a real business sense, I mean the names of the podcast of course. But what they're doing is like season it, we're always there proud of our season tickets aren't we? We sell out this many season tickets and this, we've got this many local people and all this. With their ideas, and we had John on last week and he said it to us on the couch, he was like, we shouldn't have that many season ticket holders, we should have maybe 20,000, and trust that people will come to the ground off their own backs and will pay money to come. And if you have to leave some people behind when you do that, that's just the way we're living. Now as Evertonians, I don't think we are cynical enough to do that. I think we feel like it's great having this fan base, traditional fan base. Whereas people like Spares are like, we're in London, we'll attract day trippers, Liverpool do the same here, we haven't got anything that happens on a non-max day at the ground either to attract these people in, so people can go and be in Liverpool and think right, okay, they're not playing but let's go to the stadium and see if they've got a museum or go for a coffee there or whatever. So that's what the stadium a lot fair. And maybe that's the chance to change how things have been done at the club. We were talking about last week on the Tuesday topic and I was saying when I said to Baz, we need to buy the biggest shop in Liverpool that's available now. And Baz sort of looked at me and said, we can't do that. And then we all have to start thinking that maybe we can do that. And I get where you were coming from. It's almost like a pointless thing. But it has to start somewhere, doesn't it? So it's got to be a starting place. Yeah, and that stadium might be the starting point. But it's not going to come quick enough for us. Well, you've got to lay the ground now, haven't you? Just quickly. Do you reckon we could get a self-partnership with an NBA or NFL like what Spares have done? Do you reckon that could be possible? Yeah, why not? Listen, we keep on almost telling ourselves all the time that we can't do these things. And yet Manchester City is the big one that I've proved it. But you're right. People like Spares have just gone out and said we're going to do these things. We're going to make ourselves the NFL club of London. Take the pressure off Wembley and we're going to be the club. And not only are we going to be the club, we're going to build a stadium that has an NFL pitch underneath the pitch and changing rooms that are just for the NFL teams except when there's COVID. And we're going to make this a multi-use stadium. Now, I'm not saying we do that, but that's ambition. That's the ambition of doing that. And that's what we're saying. We're saying if Everton are really serious, why do we keep on getting these little sponsorship deals with who's one of us companies? Just come in, own the club with your mate and start pouring money in and start changing the face of the Everton Football Club. Go after those big brands. Go after them and say we want to be involved with you. Not you want to be involved with us. We're a Premier League club. It's global. It's watched all over the world. Be part of it. It's also how you are seen by people outside. So Spares now have got Nike as the kit deal and now Liverpool have. That's a way of saying we're a big brand and big brands want to work with us. I like all the humble stuff and I'm not disrespecting them. But it doesn't scream to the outside world. Big club. I like the gear, the gear sound. But that's another thing of us. We sit here going, gear is great. Our best gear. Liverpool fans in here moan about the Nike stuff. It's too expensive. They start the other. But at the same time, the brand for Liverpool is huge. We had Nike and we had it on. We had Sunday League Nike. The same kind of turns like Wolves and Lester have got. We had Sunday League Nike. Now without some saying, as a fan, they don't actually like how much their kit cost. But as a club they're like, who's that? We've got the Brown James walking man on Liverpool kits. That's, we're on the front cover of FIFA. That's the difference, isn't it? That's what we're talking about. It's about puffing your chest out. You've got Harry Kane. You've got Harry Kane doing all kinds of stuff for the NFL. Because he loves the NFL. And he'll sit there in his, you know, his Patriots top on doing stuff for the NFL. That's huge. The thing, I guess, though, from Liverpool and space to the extent. Champions League. Everything's come from them doing well though. You know, Liverpool. I think back to when we, just even when we started in here and they had Brendan Rodgers as the manager and they was in fighting these with FST. We're getting FST out and all that. There was all the... What's ambition though, isn't it? Now what I'm saying, there was unrest from Liverpool fans walking out after 77 minutes and all that. There was unrest. And then all of a sudden they got clocked. Yeah. They got the kids, the fella from here came in and started, and they started being then successful because they got stuff right and it snowballs then. And then what they did was from being successful they built from that position of strength. And when history will tell you when Everton have had a position of strength in the past they haven't built on it. And that's where we are now. That was when we won the league twice. While we were still. Thought of as one of the top three or four clubs in the country. We wouldn't pay another £200 grand for Alan Shearer when he was wanted to come here and he went to Blackburn instead. Then we won the FA Cup and okay, we got Kincelskis but there was still an opportunity the following season to really build on it and we didn't. Well look, let me ask you a question. Do you think other clubs like Spears would build... Did they build the stadium and say we must have Champions League to go into that grand? Well like Arsenal. I mean because they had it in a bag didn't they with Enga so they knew that they would be getting it and then look what's happening to them. We need to start doing that as a club is having that ambition to not sit here and go oh yeah, when we go into that new stadium we can't wait, it's great. Do we have to go, no no no because when we go into this new stadium the tickets are going to cost more and also it's like anything else we have to be pressured to pay the bills every year. It's not like this stadium that we own and it's our stadium. So we're going to have to go in this stadium and have loftier ambitions just to pay the bills. So I'm thinking, so should we be going in that? Should the club, the fans, should the club be going into that stadium going we've got to have Champions League when we go into this stadium to make use of this stadium? Well yeah, 100% but the only way that they can say Champions League football is by investing heavily and obviously getting around those obstacles so if we can do that and just say, look listen we're here but we want to go to the next level is a good salary or do it smartly, I don't know I work in an office I wish I knew how to do this but you know what I mean but I'm not so sure. If you want to join us on the ToffeeTV Everton phone it is live Monday to Friday 5 o'clock on Live at 5 over on Patreon the link to join us is on the screen now.