 and welcome to another episode of I Have Notes. It's usual crew talking about, we have an IMDb. That's the thing that we have. I'm already messing with the intro, and that's fine though. It's all organic, it's fluid. But yeah, we're here. We're gonna talk about some creative things. We're gonna talk about our personal lives. We're gonna talk about video games becoming anime. My name is Carrie Shockross, and I'm joined by my co-host. Isabeliola. Hello, thanks Carrie for the intro. We're also joined by our very super special, as always, our super special guests, Aaron and Jordan. Hi. That's not Aaron. Look at that special, look at that special boy. Hi. Hey, I'm Jordan. Hey y'all. I also like cats here. Which one's the cat? I'm gonna live with y'all. That was the worst intro I've ever done before. Yeah, before we started rolling, Carrie said, oh I forgot the intro, and I said just wing it. I shouldn't do that. I wish I hadn't said that. Yeah, don't say that next time. It's okay. I'm supportive of you, Carrie. It worked out, I appreciate it. I love it. We have an IMDb. We have an IMDb. We have an IMDb. We have an IMDb. We have an IMDb. That we all share. Yeah, we have a group IMDb. Carrie, there's a ghost behind you. Oh, that's kind of creepy. Oh my god. My cat's scared. Alex scared your cat away. Yeah, that was so funny. He could sense the negative energy. Hey, there's a small window. It was hard to see. Yeah, it was really spooky. This little girl's like, oh, no, he's back. I can't make out what's happening. Carrie's house is haunted. Yeah. How's everybody's week been? Oh, my cat. He got turned into a cat. This is my roommate, Alex, the cat. He's such a talented modeler. Oh, I love everything about who can we? We should just turn. Look at his extra hand. His little extra finger. Turn the intro to three out of four of the four of the guests usually have cats. And that is just the highlight of I Have Nuts for Me. That's pretty much before we're recording. I have cats. The bobcats where we show our cats. Yes, exactly. You also have an IMBB. I feel like my last week has been more of a lead up to this week because it's kind of just getting busy for and getting prepared for the busyness of this week. But hey, at least we have a day off because of 4th of July this weekend. How is everyone else? When that happens, does it also sometimes weirdly stress y'all out? For people, if you have a lot of meetings normally, that extra day just means like everything has to happen in the four other days with no extra time. And it stresses me out. My Friday meetings just usually get canceled. Wow. Wish that was me. La-di-da. I mean, yeah, a lot of stuff. Usually, our I Have Nuts meetings happen on Fridays. Are they getting moved this week? Are they going to get moved to Thursday? It did, yes. They got most of the same thing. Check your calendar. I saw a good update, but I wasn't sure if the day changed. Whoa. Erin, how's your week been? Well, I mean, considering it's Monday, not much happened. But, oh man, this weekend. All right, two things happened. OK, so first thing, I was driving home from picking up food last night and it started raining and some car actually was a truck pulled out in front of me and it was a big black truck and had in fancy calligraphy font said titties on the back window. Oh my God. They just started to spin out. I was like, whoa, the tittie, the tittie mobile, the tittie truck is spinning out. Luckily, they did not get hurt. But that was one highlight of my Sunday. Oh my God. OK, a couple of clarifying questions. Yes. I'm going to try and nancy it as much as possible. OK, titties or titties? Titties. Titties. T-I-D-I-E-S. That's a whole other level. My brain always goes to double T first, but. No, this is double D's. OK, yeah. I think there's some like word play going on there. I guess it was really weird because that was the only thing on the truck. Like, besides that, it was like pristine black truck. How big was the sticker? It was pretty big. It's like one third of the back window. Oh my God. It was quite, yeah. It was bold. Yeah. Second thing. So they hydroplained? Yeah, they hydroplined. And they didn't hit anything? Surprisingly, no. It was like, they're kind of like drifting. And I was by myself and like a loser. I was just like, oh. As if like somebody else was in the car with me. It's scary when you see people do that. And then they somehow managed to recover. And that was one exciting thing that happened not to me. To somebody else, I guess. I mean, you you experienced it. Experienced, yeah, I guess you could have stopped the story at I saw a truck that said titties on the back. Yeah, this is also true. That would have been like a good story. This is also true. What else happened? Oh, then so my weekend was mostly filled with like DIY finishing up my apartment at last. So I was touching up the paint on some of my furniture since it got scratched in the move. So I had done that. All good and done. Started hammering up the can in my cat, Lucas, who was sitting on my lap earlier. He is terrified of loud noises, like thunderstorms, fireworks, anything like that. He's out. So when I was hammering the can clothes, I guess it just like spooked him and he dropped the tiniest turd. Oh, the literal shit out of my cat. And I wasn't sure at first because I was like, oh, maybe he was just in the litter box and like just tracks him out. No, he like actively like took a dump, like a tiny little. Oh, it was. Oh, God, the smell. I don't know what he ate, but it was the worst herd. I didn't. I guess I did. I didn't know that was like a real thing, but I guess it is. Yeah, I didn't either. Like one other time he's done this was at the vet, which is kind of understandable. Yeah, this was me hammering a paint can closed. Yeah, I mean, we've we've all we've all had an accidental shit as a doctor. No one's going to lie about that, but not at home depot. Sometimes you're walking like by the paint area and, you know, they're sealing up a new can and it's just like, look. Oh, did he get a run to the toilet section? You know, you stick one of the orange buckets and you're like, all right, this is it. All right, that reminds me of one of my favorite animation bits we did in an episode of Camp Camp. If his last season, I think the one where they're trying to figure out who peed in the lake and when Nerf is telling his part and he get basically he gets so mad. He decides to pee in the lake out of anger and he gets spotted by another character and we have him like paying. And then like we pan over to reveal the character that sees him and like he sees him and like kind of jumps and like stops for a second. I always like, I think that like I'm above an average at poopy peepee, but it's funny sometimes still. Like, I don't care about that. Yeah, that story took me by surprise. I was not expecting it to go that way. Like, did you really just shit right now? And like also I hope he's not like still going. So I like how to grab him. He was like limping away like, oh, like get him to like a drop a tile surface. Exactly. I also, Jordan, that story just made me think if we need to get like the like a Nerf car sticker, like, you know, like the with him like peeing on something. Yeah, like Calvin. Oh, yeah, all the legal go where Jeff Gordon. Yeah. That's what that's what that pose was based on. That was the direction I gave. We should battle. It was like, just make him look like Calvin, the bumper sticker peeing on something. I'm just trying to think about like what we could have him pee on. That would be appropriate. Yeah. Boy. Space. Well, at least another character, at least he has the helmet. Yeah, yeah, I just for our audio listeners, just in that small section of silence, when Jordan or Kerry said, boy, both Kerry and Jordan both had this like thousand yard stair. I was there trying to. I was really thinking about it. Yeah. Like, I don't I don't have fast ideas. I brought this to the table. I need to figure out what I need is a is a line of things that people could use, you know, used to express things that they don't like. That yeah, we could. It could just be him being. Yeah, you have nerve peeing on nothing. And then you add your own sticker. Or we do a line of like sports teams. I mean that you might not like. I kind of want to come like you don't think are very good. Yeah, just like put our logo like right right there. I kind of want to go full circle and see if I can get like a realistic blame who voices nerf like his head being like, no, don't pee on me character that I voice. I think that it reminds me of one of my favorite memes where it's like a like a flower dying of thirst. He's like, oh, no, these water me. I'm a thirsty little flower. And the only thing that could save me is your pee. Yeah, means like this is what it's like. Is that how the voice is supposed to be read? Or is that just how you read it? That's how I read it in my mind, but it is very wilted looking flower. It's like a little shy flower. I need your pee. Yeah, exactly. It's doing like the toes. Yeah, me. I'm willing to bet it if we all saw that emojis where it's like the two things I'm a good boy. OK, these are very special guests, Aaron and George. And calling it no more. No more pee, pee, poo, poo the rest of the whole episode. We got it out. That's true. Yeah, you want to bet? Once we get going, we can't stop. Just like when I do. We need to take the negativity jar and then turn it into a pee, pee, poo, poo. Joe, I think we might need to. Yeah, we we've had a bit. I'm a little worried about calling it a pee, pee, poo, poo jar, though. That might lead to some accidents. I mean, it was labeled as such was asking for trouble. Yeah. Hey, I've got something I want to talk about that literally got announced the day our last episode came out and got me very angry. So there's a cool game called Cyberpunk coming out eventually. You got pushed again. Maybe 2077. Look, I get it. I'm not I'm not going to fault them, but I think is it September now? I don't fucking know. We're not a game. We're not a game. It might be November. I think it's probably November. I don't know. But they announced that they're coming out with an anime. Cyberpunk edge runners that's going to be done by Trigger, which is like one of our like favorite anime studios. They've done Kill a Kill. They kind of worked on Darling and the Franks, but not 100 percent. Premier, Premier. Most of that crew also worked on Gernloggan. And yeah, it's going to be directed by Emaishi, who directed all those things. It's got Yehoshinari is working on it. Who was the character designer for a lot of stuff. And also, I believe he directed Little Witch Academia. Yes. And Yuto Kaneko. I don't know. I'm super excited. Me too. It's I don't know much about it yet. If it's going to be, you know, like following the actual story, if it's like its own thing. But that world is super awesome. So the idea of like Trigger playing in it just sounds amazing. Yeah, it's it's already like so stylistic. And then you give you give a studio like Trigger that that IP and it's just like, oh, boy. Yeah, boy. It's it's it's interesting. Like what are they going to do? They would not have been like if you just said there's going to be a cyber puck anime, they would have not have been my first go to. But I think that's what makes it interesting. Yeah. You know, like I would expect it like a studio that worked on like a Ghost in the Shell or something. Yeah. Yeah. It was I.G. What studio did the Blade Runner anime? Anybody know? Oh, oh, oh, oh, my God. I did it one point. Yeah. All right. You think I was going to look it up and see if you guys could guess, but it's definitely not triggered. But that's who I would have guessed. I believe it was directed by Watson Abe, who did Coward Bebop. Yes. And Samish and Poo. So the studio that did it is. Yes. It's the director that we know of. I think I'm not familiar with any of the other studios or the production company, though. OK. Cygans Pictures, Inc. Yeah, Alcon Entertainment. I have not heard of them before. But yeah, I think the Blade Runners like legitimately the the one out of three things they have on their record. OK, so they're they're still a new studio. That's cool, though. I was going to say, it's like the the trigger collaboration. It kind of reminds me of Matrix, you know, how there was Animatrix and stuff. Yeah, I think they I feel like a lot of the sci-fi sci-fi genre type movies and games really take a lot of inspiration from Japanese stuff, which is why I think they always tend to collaborate a lot with a lot of anime studios and like anime directors. I think that's really cool. Yeah, and like, I think, you know, I think especially like hard sci-fi stuff tends to have very fleshed out universes, so it makes it a little bit easier to like, hey, let's do a bunch of things. Again, I mean, the Animatrix was amazing. It was like, honestly, I liked it better than the last two movies. The last two matrixes. Which I don't even have like that huge of a problem with the last few matrixes. Matrix I, Matrix C. Matrix C. Matrix Cs. Matrix Cs, yeah. But I still liked Animatrix a ton. So, yeah, I'm really, I'm super excited about that. It's not going to come until 2022. I know, that's the only bad part. Yeah, two years. Oh, I mean, we've already waited this long for the game itself. Hopefully, hopefully, they will come out first. Come out before the end of it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious what they're working on between them, because I think they're next to the very finished. Is it is it BNA? Yeah, brand new animal. And that comes out for in the in the Americas. America, I think tomorrow from when we were recording. I think it's June 30th. Oh, that's exciting. So we'll probably talk about that. Just a few days ago. Exactly. Yeah. Hopefully, everybody is like, yeah, and it's great. But so I'm curious what they're working on in between. Yeah. I don't know. Or are they working on it? Oh, yeah. Are they working on it now? I can't imagine they're going to. I mean, maybe it's maybe if it's like early 2022 and then they're working on it now, which gives them a year and a half to do it. It seems like a long time, but maybe not. Animation production. I guess we could kind of. We are in the business in the industry to make educated guesses. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if it is early 2022, if they're already working on it. But it also depends. I mean, it's an anime. So it's going to be it's going to be hand drawn. So it's going to be like higher budget. Yeah. Then say something like, you know, I'm used to working on. So yeah, I would I would hope that the the game company that is funding are the people who made cyberpunk is that is funding trigger that they're also like, yeah, we'll give you money. So much money. Yeah, you would hope so. Yeah, especially after Promare. Oh, man, I thought all the 3D camo angles. I mean, they also use 3D models for a lot of the mecha stuff. So that's yeah, that's pretty good. Watching that movie was just like a constant like, and OK, 2D, 3D, 2D, 3D, 2D, that's OK. That's both characters, 2D inside the 3D mech. OK, yeah. Hey, have you checked on HBO Max yet? I have. Let me tell you, there are a lot of really great things, especially animated on there. I've man, the number of Ghibli films I've rewatched, like Nassica of the Valley of the Wind, Spirit of the Way, Princess Mononoke. I even saw Cats Return now, finally, which I hadn't yet. I also been rewatching The Boondocks, which I hadn't seen in a very long time and is a very good show. There are there are so many different titles on it. And the cool thing is, I mean, there's something for everybody. I'm talking about animation, but there's a ton of live action stuff. There's a lot of exclusives that are only on HBO Max. Yeah, there's honestly just kind of something for everybody. So if you want a free trial, you can get one with the link in our description. Helps us out, helps them out and helps you out because you get to watch cool shows like the ones I said and more. So yeah, check out HBO Max. It's really cool, just like you. Yeah, that's why like the term two and a half D never really like made sense to me where it was like it's all hybridization, you know, which I feel like is a it's a much better term for it, which I think is really cool. And they definitely they used to have to a lot more for video games, don't they? Nowadays, that's probably a better place for that term. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I could see where it's you could say a link between worlds is two and a half D. Yeah, yeah, I'm almost on the new Shantae game. Shantae and the Seven Sirens. And that's like similar thing. It's like all the character models and stuff are 3D, but the backgrounds are or like the broken camera on link between worlds. Yeah, it's great. If you if you unhook the camera and like do free cam, you see how everything is kind of placed in a strange perspective. Oh, yeah, everything's kind of stretched out. Yeah, and so that, yeah. So if like Link is walking to the left, he looks like he's looking up to the left. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's just because like your top down view and it's a 3D thing, they had to like skew everything. It's also kind of like I went to a soccer game once and I always thought that they had regular like physical stands with sponsors on written on them on like the end lines, like next to the goals. So they painted onto the ground in a perspective that makes it look like that to the camera that's like high above. So what's the actual fuck and you're closer to the field level, it looks it looks like that. It looks warped and like skewed. It's like those weird chalk paintings. That's like the sidewalk breaking my brain. Textures broken, excuse me. Yeah, it looks like somebody like we have notes free transformed it and just skewed the shit out of it. Yeah, it's like I have no type of notes. I think somebody did that recently with Animal Crossing, like the the trees are like also in that very strange angle. Just like half of it's like missing. I was like, it's smart, though. It's like, if you're not going to see it like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's all it's all tricking like, you know, the person viewing it like you use the camera and yeah, you just you played the camera and skew it. That's the kind of what animation is. It's just like using using using tricks to like make it seem real. I mean, that's my favorite thing, too, is like when because you can tell like they I mean, I don't know this for sure, but like they pick that angle. But they're like, oh, man, the models don't look really good. So like, OK, well, what if we just change the model? Like they didn't just go with the easy like let's change the camera or something, they're like, no, let's actually like redefine how we're doing this. Because I mean, when you think about sprites drawn that way, they're probably cheated like that anyways. So they're just like, well, how do we cheat 3D? I'm willing to bet they probably did something similar for Link's Awakening, the remake, because it was at a similar angle. That's a good. Yeah. I don't know the point. I that was used to be my favorite thing to do. And like, especially like the early like halo halo two days was always like breaking outside of games and seeing the stuff that like you weren't supposed to see. That's interesting. There's this whole there's this form dedicated to it called High Impact Halo that I was on all the time. And it was just all it was all about like breaking out of levels and finding glitches and all that stuff. And it was like how I spent my childhood was like, let me break this game. I feel like I've the concept, I guess, of like kind of breaking the game is interesting for me if only because I feel like my brain is not necessarily wired to like being ex or curious about it. I think the first time I kind of thought, oh, a lot of people do this a lot is watching Jordan watch a lot of speed runs. I was going to bring up speed runs. Yeah, it's like classic example of breaking the game, but doing it in in a maximum kind of potential or maximum output. And it's just like how how can you be so smart? It's because they're desperate. It's because they're desperate to me. I all fit on the cartridge. So they're like, OK, we'll do this. Yeah, exactly. That's what it that's what it comes in to is like you can see all the shortcuts to like maximize as much memory. The car, the cartridge will let you put in it. And that's why you get weird stuff like in in Zildos speed runs, you can wrong warp because it's all like number directories and stuff. And if you like best with one value and do something specific, it reads to this other value and you end up in a place you're not supposed to be. Yeah, that's a big thing in Pokemon, too, is like you know, all of the Pokemon are registered at these values. So if you can just shift it using some means that you can get any Pokemon or like that's what they do in Pokemon speed runs where they will manipulate the RNG of their trainer ID, I think, so that they can get like a certain item or I think it's to get like a Pokemon easily or something. And you do that by manipulating when you create your file. So you wait a certain amount of time or you reset on a certain frame and then you you get it. It's some it's some crazy shit. And I don't like and a lot of the stuff they find by just like trial and error and exploration and data mining. And I mean, Ocarina of Time is came out one ninety eight ninety seven. This game is almost twenty five years old. And they're still finding you should. Issa, in the six months since I last saw you speedrunning that game has changed so much. It's like it changes all the time. Yeah, I like it. Speaking of the matrix, you know, I like it. Even when we get back to the office, it's not going to be like Jordan needs to like hugging and saying hi. It's going to be like Jordan's like, look, look at check out the speedrun. The speedrun is different. That is exactly how it's going to look. Diku, no. Do you say? Yeah, as I say, do you see Deku or Deku? I see Deku. Deku. I I usually should. Yeah, I used to say Deku, but I'm dumb. Yeah, I was a dumb kid when I was a child. I used to mispronounce every word in that game. Yeah, I think you call it like wink. Would you? Did you get link? Right. Just like it would be like I don't even think I knew how to say Ocarina, I think I just called it. Like an O'Connor or something. Cockerous florist. That reminds me of when the Final Fantasy seven remake came out and there were basically factions of people who said it's Mako. They're I'm right. And people go, no, it's been Mako this entire time. And it's just like, oh, yeah. I remember that with Rattata, the Pokémon. I don't know why. Like when I was a kid, I always read it as Rattata. Like I put an extra A in there. Yeah. So I just went around like, oh, check out my Rattata. It's in the top five percent of all Rattatas. And then like, like, I don't remember. It just at some point, like in my adult life, I looked at it and went, oh, it's Rattata. I'm not going to say that, huh? I'm a fucking idiot. And I just like, it's like how I spelled segue, segue way. But I was an adult when I said that Jordan's laughing because I did it to him. Like, you know, segue was spelled as S-E-G-U-E. I thought it was like segue and then way. Yeah. That's how I remind myself how to spell it. Like, it's a goo way. The goo way. I have a I'm sure I've talked with this somewhere else, I think. But I have I have some words like that where it's like, I there's like, if I read this word, I'm never going to get it the first time. It's always going to be weird. The biggest one for me that I can remember is epitome. Yeah. Oh, I was going to say one. I cannot not read epitome every single time. I'm reading a book and I see epitome and I go, what the fuck is an epitome? Oh, fuck every time, every time. I feel like an asshole. I feel like Joe Nicolosi, a former writer and creative on research. He he was he felt very strongly about epitome. Did he? Do you guys remember? It's epitome. Yeah, he was epitome. And I'm just like, Joe. I remember him having a lot of I won't say strange or bad takes, but just wrong takes spelling and English and he he he was focused on the creative and not whether or not maybe the script was spelled correctly. Yeah. And I respect that strained by the laws of English. Oh, yeah, I'm I'm definitely in that camp. I'm I'm I'm a very like, let me just type it and see what happens. The OK, OK. I just I don't know like what the fuck it is about the way that I always want to spell inconvenience. Oh, but the way that I naturally try and spell it without thinking too hard and just kind of typing it. No, no, like a spell check will even guess what I'm trying to say. And I just can't fucking understand how I'm not far off. I feel like an asshole. I don't know what it is. Like sounds really inconvenient. It is, you know, it is. I hate when just real quick, like I'm typing something, especially on the iPhone keyboard and I'm like halfway through the word and I've already misspelled it. And I'm counting on autocorrect to know what I'm trying to say and either autocorrect it or offer me a suggestion that I can just click on or something. And I feel like it's close enough. And then it's just like, I got nothing. And I'm like, come on, this is your job to type the word again. You just like a little problem. I just need a little pee. I just need a little pee. Somebody say pee. Oh, pee, pee, poo, poo, jar. Damn it. He said, what were you going to say? Is that going to go? So on the to go back on the topic of Joe Nicolosi and he's just going on typing, I'm not going to call him out on this specific instance, but he did this thing where he typed it in the script and we call him out for all of his grammar and spelling checkers. But this one, this one passed into making an asset and he was reviewing the asset with a team of people like the producers, the assistant producers, like the artists. He sees this asset and he doesn't admit it until way later that he goes, yeah, I saw you guys made that and I realized that I spelled the word wrong and I didn't say anything. It was the thing where he used, it was the correct spelling of a word, but he wanted a word that sounded like this word. That's amazing. That was the thing I know he does is he'll go through a script and he'll have all his spelling errors and then he'll he said he would give it to his wife to read and then she would correct them all and just just the spelling errors. Like she's not reading it for context and stuff. So if a word is spelled correctly, even if it's the wrong word that still gets like it gets fast spell check and it gets past his proofreader. I just want to take a second. He is literate. I just want to be clear. Like, I don't want to throw him too far in the bus. Like, he knows how to he knows how to spell. Yeah, I love. Yeah, that's great. I think he yeah, he just prioritizes the funny and the story. I'd like to imagine he's in that like review and like he sees the asset and he's like just thinking what the fuck is this? Why did they make this? Yes, and he goes back and checks the script. He's like, what's the fuck? Do you remember what it was? He said, oh, 100 percent. I do. Should I just say it? I don't remember. So I was just wondering. So it is he instead of using the word trap, he's the word tarp. OK, OK, that's very interesting. Yeah, it's understandable. But also imagine being Joe or being someone like Joe and just sitting in the review room going. Why did they make a fucking tarp? Why? That's not what is this. And then he realizes what he did and he's like, I'm never going to admit this to anyone. I mean, everybody knows. To be fair, I feel like a lot of traps rely on tarps. So it's true, which is like whole ones. Yeah, yeah, the context was like, OK, cool. But he was also like, what? Yeah, so that's one of the one of the rare things where in context, it makes sense, spelling it makes sense. Yeah. And then like, it's just like, no, that's just not what I was. It's so funny. Hey, yeah, the number of people that passed. I mean, that's that's how it works. So sometimes like the number of people who will watch something and then like you get to that final export and you're like, oh, fuck, that's wrong. Well, great. Awesome. How did how did literally 20 to 30 other people never see this? Awesome. Cool. We're all human. We're all we're all human beings. Human. Well, since we're talking about writing stuff, do we want to get into one of the topics we wanted to talk about? Yeah, who was it? Was it Aaron? Did you bring this one? Yes. It was Aaron had some really good topics. Don't don't you drink that fucking water? Oh, shit. Now it's time to talk talk. I might have to be later. Put it in the jar. Something made it worse when you whispered it. I don't know. It was like it was like you like led us into a secret. OK, let's go ahead. So my question, because I don't know about you guys, but I get this question a lot on Twitter. Tumblr, all those things. No one asked me. How do y'all overcome either art block or writer's block? And how do you how do you deal with it? How do you go about your day? God, I wish I knew. My my when you said how do you go about your day? It's like, oh, I mean, being miserable. No, I mean, I. It's tough because like it's also like I can. I've got to imagine it's a lot different, you know, like when you're working creatively, professionally versus not, because it's like, yeah, I mean, we've all experienced is like you don't have time to be blocked. I think my you actually have to like solve that problem. Yeah, immediately. Yeah, I think the first thing I do is figure out if I if I can put it off. Nice. But I think my depending what it is, my go to is to either like if I'm writing something and like a scene isn't working or something like that, I kind of like will go back to my outline and and either like re outline it or or just kind of look at it. But honestly, like the thing that helps me the most is talking it through somebody else. Is is, you know, even if they don't, you know, whether it's like for like for me when it's like one of the other writers or another director or anybody just like getting another set of eyes on it to go like, hey, is there something here that I'm like super missing? Like, is this actually easy? And I'm not and I'm thinking about it too much. Or, you know, if they thought an idea, even if even if it's not the idea of going with it, at least like kind of like gets me out of this, like, I feel like I'm like falling into a hole of like all of my ideas are terrible. I'm the worst. I how can I not figure this out and to have somebody else go like, oh, yeah, that's OK, that's interesting. Yeah, we could do this and this like at least like gets me going. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of my go to. It doesn't always work being perfectly honest. That's a good go to. Yeah. That's I really like the point that you mentioned right about kind of like the difference between doing something creatively, professionally versus I like maybe in your free time because there's an element of survival. Yeah, that is there. So therefore, I think Kerry's answer to it in terms of like you do have to ask someone for feedback and it kind of gets you thinking about a different perspective puts. How do I put it? And that's that feels like the right answer because I feel like that is also one of the quickest ways to get out of the block. Yeah, it can suck, though, because sometimes it can feel like you're giving up. Mm, yes, I understand that. The other side of it, too, is you drag somebody else into it. Yes, they're just as confused and sad as you are presenting them with this problem. I don't know how many times Miles and I have gone to like Eddie for help. And he's just been like, oh, man, yeah, I don't I don't know. It's like he's going to keep thinking about it. Yeah. I think that goes to show like the trap. Oh, sorry, I think that goes to show, too. Good, good bit. I think that also goes to show to the the necessity of having different voices as well in the writing room, different sets. Different having someone who is inherently different in the room will actually kind of help open everyone else's mind about what the other possibilities are. So there's this instance on a personal for me, I think. Vito, one of our animators on 3D, he was talking about this character that he had and he he didn't really understand who this character was or who could this character could be. And I go, oh, this character kind of to me sounds like a type A Asian stereotype. You know, it's like very, very invested in their like education and like wanting to be perfect. And later he was telling me he goes, that was that was the thing. That was like the key to opening his interpretation of the character and being invested in it because it was just a different perspective that he never considered. It's just like, oh, this this person could be this this guy. And now he had an image. So I think that's that's something to be something to say is important. Yeah, like I, you know, there's a lot of debate, I think a lot of times of like, whether or not like the the auteur approach is good of just like having like one person. I'm I'm I'm much more of a fan of like a hybrid approach where like maybe there is like, you know, one or two people that are kind of the like the the the main force behind something. But I think it's important to have more voices in because it's just going to be better, you know, like it even even when people throw out ideas that you don't go with the fact that you talked about them and weighed them and still felt like, you know, the original idea or something was was worth it. I can't say how many times like we may I may have very talk to us. I apologize. Everything's a blur at this point. But like the number of times in like the Rubies Writers Room where we we have an idea, we go down like another path because there's like one kind of thing broken about an idea. We go completely down another path and then end up circling back to the original thing again and then solving that issue because we realized in the end we like that first thing better. Like the number of times that's happened is is crazy. So it's like you need to be able to like ways to kill your darlings, but also like resuscitate them. Like it makes sense to. Yeah, exactly. You had to you had to keep the tombstone there in case you just like, no, come back and dig them up. Yeah, I was going to say the prodigal plan. You push into the side, but you don't forget. Yeah. And then they'll come back like, oh, it was you all along. Exactly. And now they're a cool zombie, baby. In this new tech age, we're all experiencing more eye strain than ever before. And it is because of blue light coming from all of these screens from your phones, your tablets, computers, TV. 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That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com slash I have notes. Shipping and returns are totally free at Felix Gray. FelixGrayGlasses.com slash I have notes. I agree about like the the artour way of like, I don't know how and especially with series, like one person writes everything. Yeah. Like like an Aaron Sorkin or Damon Lindelof type. I don't know. I it's not that I think they shouldn't do it or anything. But I just don't know literally how they do it. Because and I feel like I've done for Camp Camp, especially like every which way of like the system is usually like writers always get together in the writer's room. We break the episode of like, you know, it's main premise and bit beats and all the jokes that we want in it. And then like assign one person or maybe a team of people to write that episode and they kind of go off and they do it by themselves. And then we reconvene and talk about and stuff like that. And so whenever I'm writing an episode by myself, I feel like. I don't know. I feel like I feel less confident than if I'm writing with an episode with Miles because then we're in the room together and we're going beat by beat and there's a cat on my desk. And you're never writing by yourself because there's always a cat. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Where are you going? There's a wall over there. But yeah, I I I've done it like every way you can do it. And I always like I always like having someone there that like in the moment you can bounce an idea off of or something because it makes it faster and it makes you feel like there's less pressure on you to like get it right the first time. Yeah, I would say if or Aaron, do you want to talk about? Sorry, I was going to throw out a thing, but I would go ahead. I mean, I have a more of a different perspective just because I am an artist and not such a writer. My writing approach has always been in college. It's just like you wait the night before to finish your essay. And then you get on it and it's like, yes. But for at least like you all mentioned, having a deadline definitely like helps kind of lights fire under your butt and kind of makes you more like decisive in your decisions. I guess it's like that you have to decide. It's like, OK, these are my options. I have to pick one of these and that's it. And it's always going to be better to to show up to a deadline with something with something with a draft. Because at least then you can talk about what's not working about it. Exactly. You know, versus just being like, oh, I couldn't even get there. I don't know what to do. Like all that does is delay it. Exactly. Yeah. So that's how I approach it, like as an artist, like with the like a professional job, a professional artist. But like as a hobby artist, like that definitely like I suffer like a lot of art block that way. Sometimes I'll give myself like the deadline too. But since it's like this pseudo not real deadline, like I don't feel as motivated to like try to crank out something. Right. So usually in that case, I'll either I'll just take a break and I won't come like I won't do any art for a while. Because sometimes you just need a break and breaks are fine. Otherwise, I'll just like switch up like things I'm like currently consuming, like play a different video games or look at different artists that I've never seen before, just like try to like freshen it up. Because I feel like usually if I hit our clock, it's because I don't know what to draw and like my visual library hasn't been like refreshed enough, if that makes sense. So it's hard to kind of think outside the box when you've accidentally created a box for yourself like over the last couple of weeks or something. I definitely yeah, I. So something I do when I can't like either like talk to somebody else or if that's not really helping and this you kind of system like this too. And it definitely works a lot easier when you don't have a deadline because this can fuck you accidentally. But a lot of times like for me, it's so much it's like. I think it is. It is better to not stress yourself out, give yourself a little bit of time to reset than it is to try and just push through sometimes. Like the number of times like it's been like 6 p.m. and I'm like, oh, I really need to work on this script. Yeah. It I usually work better personally, like instead of just like powering through the next two hours, slamming a red bull after being tired from like all day of working, I'd rather just wake up a little bit earlier and like come at it. And because a lot of times like when I come at it that way, one, I'm now thinking about it like the rest of the night and like the back of my head. So like maybe something will click, but then I come at it fresh in the morning and go, OK, what was really the problem? What did you know? Like it lets you like resell a little more. That being said, if you come back the next morning and you're still like, ah, fuck. That can mess you up a little bit. Sometimes you just need to have no time. It's going to say, oh, there's a problem. That's a little bit easier if it's more like like a hobby or like on your own. Yeah, like, I know I haven't mentioned in a while, but my one month sketchbook actually did not I was not able to finish it because the last week of the month, I was moving. That's like, I was like, oh, like I could finish it if I really wanted to like I'm on page like 90 something out of like 130. That's pretty good. If I if I tried really hard, it probably could have gotten done in a night or two. But I was like, I'm going to be miserable if I do that. Yeah. And I'll just start drawing the same thing. Yeah, exactly. Like it'll kind of defeat the purpose. So that's still going to come back to this. But I'm just kind of doing myself a break. I'm going to finish it. Well, I mean, I think that's a big part of it, though, is just taking care of yourself. Like, yeah, definitely. So, so much I feel like for me personally, like so much creative block comes from me being burnout and stressed and tired. Yeah. So it's like, you know, giving yourself that time to to to walk away, I think, can can be really helpful. Walk away and not do a similar like, yeah, like substituting with something very similar to it. Like if you're again doing art as like a hobby, don't go and be like, oh, I'm tired of drawing. I'm going to go paint instead. Like go do something like completely different. Like I'm going to go for a job. Skateboard. Yeah. Skateboard. Radical. Yeah. One thing this is this is the thing I got from Paula Deccanini, one of our episode directors is this is a little bit more on like the focus side. Like if you're having trouble like staying on it, there's a is it Pomodoro Pomodoro technique. It's basically like, like there's like a bunch of websites. There's one called like Tomato Timer. Oh, yeah. I use that a lot. Yeah. But basically, yeah, basically you set up like, okay, I'm going to work for 25 minutes or maybe 40 minutes. And then I'm going to take a 10 or 20 minute break. And the thing that's nice about that is like a lot of times the reason I get hung up on stuff is because I have at least a little bit of ADHD. I keep wanting to think about other things and I can't let myself like focus in and like get fully enveloped. So something about that timer is really helpful because it says, okay, for the next 25 minutes, you don't need to do anything else. You don't need to check your phone. There's no emergencies. They'll call whatever. You don't need to check your email at your Slack. You don't need to think about that other thing you need to do. You know, if a thought comes into your mind, write it down and move on. But like for the next 25 minutes, you are focused on this thing. Like that can help sometimes too. Yeah. I know you can like, it is like a Google extension that you can download. So you can like block or unblock certain websites that you need. Like I'll, I'll block Twitter, but I'll unblock Pinterest because I'll use Pinterest for like reference. Google, I'll keep unblocked, et cetera, et cetera. But like YouTube, Twitter, et cetera, like I'll block those. Bernie sees stuff like that where he would like, yeah, block like, yeah, all like all social media and stuff for like an hour or something. He was just like, he, he was doing something like turmoil going or something. But he was like, he would just do that. So it's like, yep, can't do anything else right now. Have you seen those types of, I guess, they're word processors, but basically they're like, they look like a little like speak and spell children's toys, but they're basically writing computers that all they do is write. Yeah, they're almost like a digital type writers or something. Yeah, exactly. You can't do anything else on them. They can't connect to the internet. Oh, okay. There's no, there's no like OS. There's no games. No fun allowed. Yeah. 100% productivity. I think, I think I saw Kiercey talking about Oh really? Either she has one or one broke or something. And they're like kind of expensive for, for a thing that doesn't do anything but type. Well, I mean, when you get niche like that, it's like a, how like the TI 84 calculators are like $200 or something. And it's like, uh, you know, this is a website now, right? Like you've heard of Wolfram Alfre. Like we're good. We don't need you anymore, fam. There's, um, oh wait, I had a thought. Never mind. I was going to say, you could just get horse blinders too. Just like, that's hilarious. Just so they don't ever see if I had any sticky notes to like stick right. Sometimes it's what you need. I, I, on a personal level for me, I kind of learned that, um, limiting myself that way has actually made me more miserable. Oh no. Yes, there is no art without suffering. Yeah, basically F. I played myself. I put, I did that to myself. I think the first week or two that we were working from home because of quarantine. And I realized I was just not, I don't know if I was more productive or not, but I was definitely more tired. And I mean, to be fair, let's be real. I was probably tired because I was more productive, but, um, It's fair. It is, I think I kind of had to like balance my idea of happiness over whether or not I really wanted to like do this, uh, block for me. And then I met up where I'm like, oh, okay. I kind of just, things happened. And now I realize I'm doing the, the biggest way for me to overcome my block is just to do something that is different. Like you said, Erin, I think that's a really great piece of advice. Um, uh, and not, it's not one to one, but for me, I'm kind of like, oh, I'm actually kind of really into editing right now. So I'm, I'm using that to my advantage, uh, with my show and that I get to edit some of this marketing stuff I get to do. So that's actually kind of nice. I, yeah, I've guys, like that was actually like a really like weird thing that came out of like, uh, all the quarantine work from home stuff was like, it had been so long since I got to do like more live-action-y stuff. So like getting my mic set up, getting the cameras, the lights, all that stuff was actually this like, like it sure hadn't scratched in a long time. And it definitely like just like, in general made me feel a little bit better. I don't know. That was, it was like a weird time because that's like, I wasn't happy about doing it, but I was like, I mean, if I gotta, I guess I might as well enjoy it. It makes you feel productive. That's for sure. Speaking of, uh, um, like, one-off creatives and stuff, uh, this is my segue to our final topic. What the fuck is up with this Christopher Nolan thing? Yeah, I saw. Who posted that? I put that in in the last minute. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, what? Jordan, please tell us. Please tell us. Yeah. So, um, yeah, Christopher Nolan is, is, uh, on the trends, uh, today because of the story that came out, I think from Anne Hathaway that said, um, he doesn't allow chairs on his set because it implies that if you're sitting, you're not working. And, uh, hold on. That's a toxic bullshit thing. Anyway, um, hard to work on this podcast. Yeah. Hey, you can't put your hands on that armrest. That's cheating. This is, you know what? It's like the toilet thing we were talking about. Can I, can I be honest? What am I looking at? I already feel more productive. Do you feel like you're working here? Yeah, my back does hurt. I do. I do. Oh, you get your squats in. It's in the camera. Yeah. Unless. Is this better? I think it's working, Carrie. Am I productive? That's some, I, it just seems like a dumb like, it's fine for him to, to subscribe to that. That's how he feels because, sure, directors sit sometimes. And if he doesn't want to sit, that's fine. I mean, they literally have chairs that are made specifically for them. For directors, yeah. Yeah. But if you're the actor, like you as the director don't need to subject them to, you know. Yeah. Kind of crazy. That's toxic. Kind of work mindset. Yeah. Like there are you will be working harder than you are. Christopher Nolan. Oh, shit. Christopher Nolan. Yeah. I'm doing a read on Christopher Nolan right here. I mean, I get like, there's a part of me that's like, I guess it works because his movies are good, but also like. But yeah, that work, it works for him. Is that, is that why they were good though? I kind of doubt it. Like I'm putting the worst performance from someone if they had the ability to sit down. I don't think so. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't know that Bane standing is what made him be Bane. You know, like, I don't, I don't know. If he had sat, he would have been even, even less intelligible. I can imagine too, Christopher Nolan kind of just like seeing, he's trying to get seeing the reason why he'll just be like, Oh, no one understands my vision. Yeah. Or like, I just, I, all I can think about when I hear about that stuff is like, I'm just imagining the fucking like producers having to like enforce it because you know, like he, I'm sure he talked to some of you was like, yeah, let's not, let's not have chairs. Like, I think it'd be better if everybody stands and then like, there's a bunch of producers. Now they're just like, okay. Yeah. Hey, let's get the chairs out. Like now they have to like make this happen. It's about like cattle prawns. Like, okay. I'm sorry we're going back to, but like, I would just like every time I wasn't working, I'd be like, Hey, I gotta take a shit. And I just go sit on the toilet. That reminds me of the, the very uncomfortable toilets that are like at a 45 degree angle or some bullshit. Yep. Yep. That's, yeah, that's also toxic. So that's, that's two dollars in the pee pee poo poo jar. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? That one was worth it because I fucking sick burned Christopher Nolan. So I mean, I am excited to see his new movie whenever it comes out. Yeah, whatever. But it has to be seen in theaters because that is the experience. I'm so mad about that because we as employees of WarnerMedia have access to watch it at home when it's released. So we don't even need to go to the theater to see it. And I just want to watch it already because I wasn't going to be in theaters. Yeah. Just come out so I can watch it at home. I saw somebody, I can't remember. This is like on Reddit or Twitter. Somebody, it's like somebody's just like, at this point it's going to just, just like put it in Fortnite. Just making a van out of it. Yeah. How do you think Christopher Nolan felt about the trailer dropping in Fortnite? Like, yeah. What? I don't even understand it. And I feel like I'm closer to the idea. You know what happened? There's no way they told him. You know what fucking happened? They told him and he said, no way. And they said, hey, we did your fucking chair thing. We're going to put the trailer in Fortnite. Okay. Can you see? Full circle. Not while the trailer is playing. There you go. That was the only reason. He was like, fine, I have one condition. Disable the crouch button. That's really good. I like that. I kind of also, kind of only vaguely related. But I feel like this quarantine we're finding out that like a lot of A-list celebrities or like these creators are like kind of assholes. Like Christopher Nolan, Ellen, apparently Ellen's a bitch. Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah. I heard about that. I knew she was friends with George Bush. I mean, that was just the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more. We're doing a read on Ellen now. Like making her employees like work for nothing during this quarantine. Like in her home. I think it's just a lot of. Yeah, this is bullshit. I feel like it's showing true colors. The Nolan thing is your typical like, you know, I'm the creator. Like a piece of shit thing where like, you know, this is like, this is how I work. You know, you're not working unless you're standing, which if we just like if we take away the like, I don't know, the flawed logic behind that and like the what that implies for like everyone else who works in the creative industry. Like for him to be kind of a hard ass about like subjecting other people to it just doesn't that that's that's the problem I have with it. Like if that's his worldview, cool dude, like live by your own standards, but don't like don't hold everyone else to that. And I could even I could even get behind him wanting the actors and actresses to do it. It's because like they're in on this creatively and they're also getting paid like a lot more money. But like, why like does the fucking like grip have to do that? Like, like just let at least them sit. You know, like, I don't know, like, I don't know. How far back does it go? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like, are they not allowed to sit to it? And how long has this been a thing? Like, yeah, is it one of his weird quirks that was like, I've instilled this ever since my first movie since I made the following, you know, or is it or is it something that like, since he got leverage after like, how big the dark night was like, now he can now he can use that to be like, also I want this in the contract. I mean, he's been working with the same people it looks like. So maybe they all understand. Yeah, it's true. It's against like, I can totally. There's like the the the side of me that like wants to give the benefit of the doubt that's like, yeah, maybe he did it on a film and like it actually brought some like extra energy and like it helped out. So it's just like a thing that he like likes to do. But like, yeah, once you start forcing people. Yeah, I don't I don't like when directors think they're dictators. Yeah, because that goes against. I don't know. I feel like we talked about this before where it's like does working as a collective and letting others express themselves creatively in this creative process make the thing better? Or do you need to be the dictator and have everything be your exact vision? And that makes it better. I said this before, like I don't I would never want like I don't want an army of me. I want everybody to like bring what they're going to bring to it. Like I'm I'm asking the artists to bring their best to it and bring their ideas to it. I'm not going to also didn't make them fucking stand the whole time. You know, like from me to tell them how to be creative, right? Exactly. You got to do what works for you. And we're going to work together on this of this thing to bring the thing to life. And if it's not what I had, I didn't have in my nerf like stutter peeing in that one shot. In that one clip. But but Jordan Battle did it and it was great. Yeah, I'll put it in the jar. And it was great. And that's how that's how the creative process should work. What if our first piece of merch was a peepee poo poo jar? I want there to be another sticky note that has the peepee poo poo poo jar and then broadcast and drop in that's what the negative. Tivity jar was supposed to be. Yeah, that's true peepee poo poo. Well, okay. Has this whole conversation about chairs been negative or not? I can't tell. That's a good point. We've been positive toward creative individuals. I think our outlook has been has been not totally like pessimistic. Yeah, I said benefited out of one point. That means something. Well, cool. I think that might be it for today's episode. Well, are we done already? It's been a minute. It's been a couple of minutes. Thank you all so much for having so much fun. I know it goes by. Well, I mean, we just like all we do now is like text each other, tick tock. 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