 Dripping at home wait drip coffee is hipster. Yeah Why is it drip coffee drip coffee is like the most traditional old-fashioned like no like where you Get a Dunk of Donuts is drip coffee. I know are you saying calling it drip coffee instead of just coffee is what's hipster? Well, maybe probably, you know, it's technically drip coffee except that it's not from a machine so much as you put it and then you take a take a Take a vessel of hot water and you pour it and let it drip out and then charge eight books This is a really funny story that somebody just linked me hackers won't stop hijacking local US radio stations to play Donald Trump rap They hadn't patched their their software. Yeah This is an illegal use of ham radio Tampering with software it uses for its FM transmissions And it's a simple mp3 clip man play repeatedly. That's so funny Amazon had good earnings. That means I have to write them up now I'm sorry earnings Can you hear I'm gonna put this in the slack Can you can you append this to the end Roger? Yes, I will append it like an X Wait a minute Amazon's quarterly revenue rose twenty two point four percent Dang Normally, I don't normally I don't include the Amazon stuff because it's really not they don't they're their margins are so thin You know, there's there's usually not a lot to say but that's pretty significant And they went on a They went on that upper day and Amazon web services jumped forty seven percent Although missed the estimate. Wow 2016 was its best ever shopping season Yeah She gets so You know, I'm gonna buy a video card before something happens in electronics suddenly get super expensive Do you think electronics are gonna get really expensive this year? Not for any normal reason Roger's just being careful. I'm just leaving at that. Just leaving at that. I got you. I got that Well, you know how I feel you follow my face, but yeah Net income rose seven forty nine million dollar fifty four per share Up from a dollar per share. So they made they made the earnings too. Wow Didn't just make the revs Usually that's the thing is their earnings are really low because they have such rare margins and these aren't Ridiculously huge, but they're still up. All right news. You can just stop breaking now. Okay. We're about to do the show It's so funny though when these earnings reports come up because I see that and I'm like, oh my gosh They had a crazy They had a crazy quarter which they did but then the fortune story is Amazon holiday sales not prime enough Because they missed the estimate Analysts had expected more that's it like they had they had a huge jump, but analysts thought the jump would be even bigger I don't know that the stock market has ridiculous expectations. A lot of times people beat the expectations It's it's a matter of the analysts saying Based on what we know We think we think this company should make this much like they they've been doing this x y and z and So I think it's fair. I think I think Sometimes we we just want to give a knee-jerk response and say, oh, well, they they missed the analyst expectations The expectations were too high. They made a profit and it's like well Yeah, but if they didn't make the profit, you think they should that means that something is wrong possibly too So if if you don't believe the estimates, that's one thing But if the estimates are reasonable and the company misses them, that's an important measurement, right? The daily tech profits show The daily oracle, okay, what what's like keeps talking to me. That's that one Hmm, what is it saying? auto Automatic audio that's so annoying. I have an extremely clicky keyboard, so I can't uh can't type too much while I'm on Yeah, I have the same thing. I'm also just an extremely loud diaper. I am too. I bang on my keyboard so bad And I'm gonna put in one of those old IBM ps2 keyboards Switch keys. Yeah What are they m50 is that I always forget? Now it used to be you just buy the Northgate they were Northgate made a bunch of switch No, I'm talking about the IBM ones like the og one The og ones from super og. Yeah, like the original at or the original xt keyboard. No the IBM ps2 one is the one That's not oh g model m beef says just elderly Okay, are we on a gr? Yeah, I have a typewriter right there. I just start using that I've never used a typewriter I use the typewriter in college, okay Sorry, I also had an IBM ps2. That's where I have got that keyboard the first time But I I needed to I needed to have nicely typed papers and all you could do is dot matrix print. Oh Unless you got on the max which had the laser printer, but those were hard to get in the computer labs Right, so I had a typewriter It was a word processing typewriter that could store pay could store whole papers But you couldn't see the paper all at once it would only show you one line of text at a time I remember I my Remember using my dad's old typewriters and this is I've never used an electric typewriter I went from like the old mechanical type to like a computer But I used to get the like what I got got on a gun of the good rhythm. I would always get the That the key not the keys, but the actual the letters stuck together, you know when you type I would have I always had computers growing up so I never used a typewriter my dad built computers when I was really small like he had one in my nursery I Always have to be careful telling this story or I'll say something unintentionally hilarious But I remember the first computer. I ever saw in person was the Wang computer That was that pet milk in Greenville and my dad took me in to see it after I got installed. That's cool. Yeah When was that 78 okay probably Yeah, it was a bunch of young ins. I just remember looking at and going wait That's all it is like I expected it to have all the flashing lights from television Like from Star Trek. Yeah. Yeah, I was expecting the voice. I wanted a voice. Yeah, yeah They used to sell for for like the Clicco vision and some other computers. I think the old Texas instrument They had a voice box so it gets short of make something that approached human speech It's like, okay, I guess that's speech But I'm like, I believe yeah All I know is how quickly everyone's Yeah, we hear you tapping. Okay. How how how used everything? I'm amazed at how quickly everyone got used to how amazing computers are gone. This is now. It's a normal thing Oh, yeah, having a computer talk to you was like Star Trek like whoa that could never happen All right, we are ready to roll you guys ready. Yeah, I'm ready here We Go this show is brought to you by audience members like me not outside organizations To find out more go to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for I don't know Thursday February 2nd 2017 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Shannon Morse in the house good to have you alongside Shannon. Thank you so much for having me back It's super exciting to be here. I haven't seen you since CES everything. Okay. Yeah, things are all right Technical glitches like all this week. So that's kind of irritating but but you made it out of Las Vegas alive That's a little sick, but yeah, I made it out Of course if people aren't aware Shannon the co-host of tech thing hack five All kinds of good stuff over there a jk5.org we're going to talk today about Shimmers these are not the things you get when you've taken an illegal substance Something that is replacing skimmers. You've probably heard of ATM skimmers Those are the the things that they place over the the card slot so that they can they can skim your magnetic stripe There's there's a new thing for chip cards and Shannon's gonna help us understand what they do and what the actual risks are Right, right So before we get into that Mozilla laid about 50 people off Thursday ending its efforts to bring Firefox to connected devices They're gonna focus more on emerging technology So back and off of Firefox OS For for good they'd kind of backed off of it most of the way already and a lot of internet of things devices It's kind of pushed down the road It would they're looking at things like voice services like an Amazon voice services competitor So there could be some interesting stuff, but it is a retracement I'm not really surprised at that at all I I haven't heard much about Mozilla on connected devices in a long time. So this is no surprise to me Yeah, now here are some more top stories Bloomberg's Mark Gurman and Ian King have sources who say Apple is developing an arm chip to handle low-power Functions on future laptops the chip which is being referred to as the t3 10 Reportedly went into development last year and is similar to the t1 Which is the processor that Apple designed for MacBook Pro's touch bar It's the one that only powers the touch bar on the new MacBook Pro now unlike that one the t3 10 This new one would have access to other system resources like storage and networking So the power nap function on OS 10 would be operated by it saving a little bit of power Taking a little bit of load off the Intel chip It may show up an upgraded MacBook Pro's that are expected later this year all of this Just based on Gurman and King's sources, but Gurman has a great track record on this stuff Do you do you like the idea of a separate chip handling your sleep function Shannon? I'm not sure that we need one necessarily Battery life it could it could if you're worried about that But don't they have good battery life as it is the new MacBook Pro's actually have Controversial battery life. It kind of depends on the day and I've noticed this with mine sometimes that battery life is just fine And other times I'm like whoa, I'm down to 30% already Do what I do and just stick with Linux. It seems to work out pretty well for me The solution the solution to all Mac problems So shit US FCC will vote on February 23rd on initial approval for voluntary Adoption, this is the earliest stage of a new television broadcast standard in the US called ATSC 3.0 we've mentioned it before on the show ATSC 3 allows first of all the big one 4k TV broadcast So if you're the person with a 4k TV Ultra high-def you want to get these broadcasts you would be able to get them under this standard It can also do geolocation of broadcast signals and some interactivity There's some really nifty stuff they can do with that it could wake up receivers for emergency alerts I can even target those alerts street by street So let's say there's flooding in a particular portion of a city It could alert those parts of the of the city like by waking up their receivers and saying hey You know emergency you need to pay attention or a tornado warning It also allows for better audience measurement can support more encryption and access restrictions Which means DRM on your broadcast signals. There's limited DRM on ATSC one right now, but it's it's pretty ineffective This would be more along the lines of what you get from a cable signal ATSC 3 is not supported by most existing equipment However, so the FCC will require ATSC one signals to continue for the time being while ATSC 3 is rolled out South Korea adopted ATSC 3 in 2016 This is not a full adoption by the US, but what do you think Shannon on the one hand? Hey 4k broadcasts for you over the air on the other hand. Oh wait, they're not free because they have to pay to Yeah, 4k broadcasts is awesome. It's their future-proofing. That's what's going on right now And I think that it we're seeing that across the entire entertainment spectrum right now with TVs with set top boxes with HDMI itself and now with ATSC. So this isn't a surprise The DRM thing kind of stinks though I'm kind of bummed about that and it's one of those things where I don't want to object to improving standards Just because there's DRM. I mean there there are all kinds of good things that are being developed that allow for DRM Because they're digital and that's what this is This is upgrading from you know the broadcast standard of the 90s to something that is digital and can do all the cool things that digital can but with digital comes the Ability to lock things down and yeah, unfortunately, there's just no getting around that you have to take one to get the other The emergency alerts thing is really cool. I recently did read a article Regarding SMS emergency alerts the kind that just pop up on your phone and make it beep several times and they were talking about Standardizing it so it would be much more localized like street level as as they are talking about with ATSC and They discussed how that would work a lot better because people are more likely to pay attention to it if it's localized as they would More so than they would if it was across an entire county or an entire city because if you get too many You're less likely to or you're more likely to ignore them Yeah, the other thing you could do is more easily add a TV tuner to a phone because this works it could fit right in and you could get Broadcast to your phone that don't use your bandwidth because they're just coming in over ATSC and the interactivity Could happen because you send your responses out over the internet connection on your phone and then receive The data through the through the broadcast channel because these are data-rich signals. It's exciting. Yeah pretty interesting Google is ending something For what a surprise This is a test though that they were doing in the San Francisco area of hands-free payment systems So as of February 8th, if you've been using hands-free on Google, you won't be able to anymore So you need to cash out get your gift certificate I think they're offering a Whole Foods gift certificate to people who tested it the feature which launched last March used Location services so Bluetooth Wi-Fi Your your GPS to determine if you were inside a store and then you could come up to the cashier The cashier would ask for your initials Verify a picture of you from the system to make sure it's you and then you didn't need to take your phone out To to use to to make the purchase if you recall Square did this exact similar and I don't want to say exact a very similar thing where they were using geofencing and I Loved that there was a coffee shop in Petaluma I used to go to where I could just walk in And they already knew me so they would look and they would see the picture and I never had to pull anything out I never had to do anything Despite the shutdown Google says it's now working to bring the best of the hands-free technology to even more people in stores They they sort of obliquely recommend everybody sign up for android pay Which could be just that they want everyone always to sign up for android pay because they run it But it's sort of indicated that maybe they'll be bringing some of this technology to the wider android pay system I never used this once when it was available at all. Did you ever use the square one back in the day? No, I never did I am I was always going for credit cards and the reason why is because I would get rewards by paying with my You know regular credit cards with a swipe transaction. So for for using these Hands-free ones. I I just never go for them. Well, you tie it to a credit card. So I assume you could still get your points Maybe but I don't know the The thing about it is it sounds horribly insecure, right? Anybody could just walk up horribly insecure and in busier locations it might be But it's actually quite difficult. It's a social engineering challenge not a technical challenge to say I want to get them to think I'm that person, right? And so you'd have to talk them into like, oh, I know it doesn't look like me But that's that's me and then if it's a small enough store, you might overhear that and go wait a minute What are the what are they talking about? So, you know, there are those kinds of challenges, but I mean, I don't know Shannon that doesn't sound like that much more of a challenge than your typical Scams that are run with payment systems if that's true and I wonder if there was any kind of man in the middle attack created to Implement a new photo when it came over and if there was about a connection that yeah, interesting Yeah, yeah, I'm assuming that it would be encrypted. I I haven't studied it myself But I would hope that it would be secure. Yeah. Yeah, it absolutely has to be AT&T announced it will roll out 5g service in austin, texas and san francisco california later this year with promised speeds of 400 megabits per second. So this isn't up to the true 5g spec. This always happens We always have something to come out. They're like, well, it's not really lte advanced it, but it's technically lte This one will be the same way. However, AT&T says it should be able to hit the gigabit per second speed The true 5g should get by the end of the year These are some pretty big promises not only to have service but have it hit a gig by the end of the year AT&T also announced it will start testing air gig That's a service they're developing that uses power lines to transmit data wirelessly at gigabit speeds And that can be used in your house as well That's so fast. I'm so excited for this. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I don't use AT&T, of course I hope it that it rolls out to other carriers soon. I believe verizon is also looking into it But yes, they are. Oh, man. Can we make this happen like immediately? This is and this is why AT&T is making a big deal about this They want people to think oh if I want to get that gigabit wireless speed I got to get on AT&T the fact of the matter is eventually they'll come to all of them as did lte So it it is always that horrible overlap time though where you're looking at your friend in austin who has AT&T And you're like you get 400 megabits per second right now I'm so jealous of you But yeah, verizon's rolling it out team mobile and spread also have plans here in the united states I'm not sure what the 5g plans are in europe. I know in south korea and japan though Carriers are running tests for 5g service there So this is a lot faster than I thought we'd see any kind of even test market version of this when AT&T said They were doing tests with intel in austin this summer. I did not expect them to announce regular service rolling out I'm I'm just excited about it And I'm not too surprised that they're already trying to get gung-ho about it too because you know, there's So much more data that's being transferred Simply just by us watching shows and things like that on youtube and netflix. So this is good It's a good way for us to start implementing these now You got to start looking for the hardware that that can support this right? Yeah, exactly And the other thing that this puts me in mind of is do you think That we are getting to a point where wireless service in the next couple of years maybe Will eclipse wired service in its speed delivery because in austin There are gigabit providers. There are multiple gigabit providers. Yeah, san francisco there aren't So if you can get gigabit service by the end of the year from AT&T over the over the air And you can't get a wired service that can give you gigabit Suddenly we're living in an entirely different world What? No, this blows my mind I'm kind of a gamer at home Whenever I actually have time to play games and you never you never play on wireless because wireless stinks So the idea that I would be able to play games On a better connection on wireless kind of astounds me But maybe that's just because i'm old It is I think it's still astounding even if you're young people write it and let us know feedback at daily New york attorney general eric schneiderman filed a lawsuit in the state supreme court in manhattan accusing charters spectrum isp Which is formally time Warner cable in new york of promising faster internet speeds than it could deliver This is the classic. I paid for 300 megabits per second and I only ever get 80 megabits per second state conducted a 16 month investigation of internal corporate communications And customer speed tests the suit alleges that subscribers to the 100 to 300 megabit per second plans Only received speeds up to 70 percent slower Quite often than was promised and more than 80 percent slower on wi-fi which to my mind that's well because wi-fi is always a little slower Charter says the issue in the suit all referred to time Warner cable before charter acquired it And that since charter acquired time Warner cable it has made significant upgrades The lawsuit however says that the relevant period of the acquisition runs from january 1st 2012 to the present of the accusations I should say runs from january 1st 2012 to the present So that would cover the period after charter acquired time Warner cable Which was back on may 18th of last year among the allegations are the renting of 900 000 older modems Not capable of advertised speeds the time Warner cable promised the FCC it would replace in july 2013 But new york says it did not Now there is a big old mountain of thud here There are people on the isp side of this who are going to say well hold on there are a million reasons Why someone might not get their advertised speed? It could be because on a node there are a lot of people using it at once in the evening And generally they get the speed they want but they only wanted to use it They happen to want to use it at the time when the node got crowded to which new york is saying Well, you shouldn't have oversold it and the isp says we didn't oversold sell it. That's just the conditions of a cable node There's also things that can happen with your wi-fi router and interference and bad routers and router management And you can get into a big he said she said about whose fault those sorts of things are Oh my gosh. I mean, I think we know this from a consumer's perspective every time you have a Any kind of issue with your connection? It's what's the problem? Is it your modem your wi-fi router? Is it a cable splitter? Is it the connection outside of your house in your neighborhood? You never really know and it's yeah, it's such a huge headache But um, I would assume that enough people have complained about this issue That they kind of know that it's the isp's problem not the consumer right and I'm not I'm not saying all of those things to Exonerate time order cable or charter because I think there also are things going on where Maybe maybe they didn't intentionally underserved, but possibly just didn't prioritize Tracking down problems that they could have solved But it might explain why it took so long for them to get to this stage in this investigation I mean 16 months. That's quite a long time and this has been going on since uh, what from january 1st 2012 That's a long time And I I guess what I'm worried about is it's going to be very difficult for a court To have the competency to sort through What are the reasonable things that you can expect like you know what sometimes your connection is just going to be slow And it's nobody's fault That's just the way the internet works And what are the things that you can identify and say well This is starting to feel like negligence. This is starting to feel like you didn't upgrade your your machines And those 900,000 older modems now maybe there's another side to that story But that's the kind of thing that sounds like you can point to and say hold on You had a bunch of people whose modems couldn't You knew this was the problem. What the heck? Yeah, exactly A couple more things here blue phase liquid crystal Is something that you might want to try to remember in your head Blue phase liquid crystal is a technology that can be used to eliminate the need for color filters in lcd screens The color filters are the things that change it to red red green, etc And create the colors on the fly If you don't have to have those color filters moving around that allows for higher resolution screens and more vivid colors And possibly a little power savings samsung demonstrated blue phase liquid crystals back in 2008 But the problem has been a high operation voltage. So even though it might take less power On its own you needed so much voltage to get it working that it wasn't production ready However, a report in the journal optical materials express Describes research that combine blue phase liquid crystal with a performance enhancing electrode structure That allows for light transmittance of 74 percent. That's pretty bright with operation voltage of 15 volts per pixel Which is reasonable. The next step is a working prototype. They've basically demonstrated scientifically that this can work They now need to make an actual unit that can do it and that's expected by next year I wonder if this is something that we'll see at ces next year Wouldn't that be interesting if they're able to make a prototype? I would not doubt that somebody will have this on display at ces next year. Yeah Let's make a note of that try to remember to look for blue phase liquid crystal And the next time you see robert heron See if see what he knows about this because I know he's up on that stuff. Yeah, I'll ask him about it Yeah Finally Reuters reports amazon says net sales rose to 43.74 billion in the fourth quarter from 35.75 billion a year earlier However, as good as that is analysts had expected 44.68 billion amazon's net income rose to 749 million That's a dollar 54 per share from 482 million just about a dollar per share last year Amazon's quarterly revenue rose 22.4 percent driven by strong sales in the holiday period and a jump in subscriptions for amazon prime Revenue from amazon web services rose 47 percent to 3.54 billion However, that's still under what the analysts expected. They thought they were going to see 3.60 billion The 2016 holiday was amazon's best-ever shopping season and it shipped 50 percent More items than the prior year for third party vendors Wow, that's huge. That's a big number Yeah, and as a big jim Patron of the show and host of tech and trade logistics guy says with that revenue They can pay for all those air planes and that air hub that they're building out there in kentucky Uh, and and that's what amazon does they they take their money and they plow it back into the company That's awesome. Good for them to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes folks Go subscribe to daily tech headlines.com your patron dollars support that as well All right, let's talk about shimmers These are thin chips. They're easily inserted into an atm slot or a point of sale card reader And the old way used to be like pull on it to see if there's something loose to see if there's a skimmer attached These you won't be able to tell it'll be almost impossible to know that they're there without opening up the machine They sit between the card's chip and the chip reader And what they can do is use intercepted data To replicate the magnetic stripe version of the card So first of all if everybody were on chips These shimmers wouldn't be very useful The other thing that happens is even if you're using a magnetic card. There should be something called an icvv icvv is an integrated circuit card verification value The cvv is that code on the back of your plastic card The icvv is something that's generated by the chip And authorizes the transaction Some banks aren't checking that if they're not checking that this exploit can work Because it won't be foiled by this incremental icvv So so shannon, first of all, do I have that about right and second of all How big of a risk is this? What should I be on the lookout for? That was a really good explanation actually So good job on that for anybody that doesn't know I used to work with a credit card processor And one of the things I had to educate myself to get the job On was about fraud in credit card industry and while when I worked there We we were mostly focusing on magnetic magnetic stripes and how we needed to update the credit card processing units to accept magnetic stripe cards with With pins and things like that instead of just not at all The problem with chips the chip cards, which are called emv, I believe Yep, that's right. Yeah, euro pay mastercard and visa or something like that Those ones were up and coming at the time So it was something that we had to start looking into as well because we would have to upgrade all of the all the machines Shimmers are a really big deal because unfortunately There's not a really good way to tell if an atm that you're using at the time Has one of these shimmers installed and there's also not a good way to tell if the bank that issued your credit card In the first place is actually checking for that icvv Whenever you put your card into an atm because it all happens on the back end It's it's something that's non consumer side facing So as long as all that's happening then you're good and you won't have to worry about this fraud But if it's not then your card could easily get duplicated as a magnetic stripe card Which plenty of you know merchants in the us are still using and we use online And you can easily get money stolen out of your account for your credit card And the blink of an eye, of course, you won't be held liable for that the merchant would or the credit card Bank issuer would but it's still something to worry about because it adds stress to your life And then you have to change your credit card numbers Yeah, and the association goes to great pains to point out that this is not a problem with the chip technology Right the chip technology has a safeguard put against this it's called icvv and The problem is if the bank itself is not checking that when it implemented its authentication system now You might be able to look this up and find out if your bank does it or write You know to find out if your bank does it if you really need to worry even if Your card Were to hit a shimmer these things aren't all over the place It would be pretty rare that that you would run into them and like shannon said It's not going to be you're not going to be liable for it the bank because it wasn't checking that number is going to be liable for it but There are you know, nobody wants to think they even want to get hit by lightning, right? We we we all want to stay away from metal even though it's pretty rare So what are some of the things we can do To to guard against this especially since it's something you can't really see obviously. Yeah, it's really hard to see So obviously they they would still need some kind of pin So cover up your pin Whenever you're typing it into a Into an ATM machine because if they do have a camera installed then then they'd be golden You know, you'd be kind of screwed in that case If you are intending to use an ATM machine Whenever you're out and about use one that's installed at a bank because those are covered with cameras on all sides And they're much more secure than ones that are just standalone Also standalone ones are really easy to hack because a lot of times they aren't installed into like A concrete siding of a building or something like that You can easily get around the back side of them and install a man in the middle attack I've seen plenty of this happen Through, you know info sec talk sec conventions that i've been to they've they've found Weird wireless dongles plugged into the back of these things and stuff like that So steer clear of those and if you ever plug your Card into an ATM machine and it gets stuck on the inside or it feels like it's not a smooth transaction of pulling it in and out That could mean that there's a shimmer inside of it. So if you do feel like That's a little sketchy then let the authorities know or let the bank know because it might entail that there's actually a shimmer in there Any kind of dodgy atms like that are in alleyways and stuff like that protect yourself from those obviously on the back of a truck. Yeah Yeah, don't use those Convenience store atms. Those aren't necessarily the best ones to use I I try to avoid those at all costs. So definitely go to a bank as opposed to one of those Yeah, brian krebs and krebs on security had an article about this a little while back on january 19th And one of the things he mentioned which I hadn't thought of is avoid withdrawing cash on the weekend He said it's more likely That the folks who want to install these shimmers will do it on like a friday night Because they know that even places that check regularly for them probably aren't going to check until monday And more people on the weekends need cash because they're going out for the weekend Yeah, that's true and this also brings up a question for me too is um, when are we going to see this fixed because You know these uh banks obviously are going to be held liable But this has been going on since 2015 with these shimmers for chip cards and since the us Currently is not asking for whenever you do a transaction chip and pin right now. I haven't hit any Merchants that have actually asked me for a pin on my chip card. You just run the chip and then you're fine So it's it's still really easy to duplicate and turn and get a magnetic stripe card number to run on online or whatever a you know, a thief wants to use So when are we going to see this fixed? It's it's getting to the point where it's starting to irritate me that these issues are happening when it's It's an easy fix. It seems like it would just be a firmware update or something like that Yeah, well the banks first of all need to make sure that they're all checking the icvv They the retailers all need to start taking chip cards Because it's the ones that take magnetic stripes still that these criminals can take advantage of gas stations How many gas stations have you been in the united states that to take the chip card yet? I don't think i've been in one So so suddenly you can go buy a bunch of gas at the very least And i've been in a few other places where they've got the chip Slot taped over and they're like not yet still doing magnetic stripe at which point those retailers Are actually liable for any yes any payments? That are that are fraud. Yeah as of october 1st 2015. Uh, they put through a law with mastercard and visa detailing new chip card Liability claims so if if a merchant has not updated their processing so that they are using Secure chip readers Then they can be held liable if there's any kind of fraud that happens on their You know in their storefront If they are using updated chip readers and they're using them correctly then the bank is still held liable. Yeah And by the way, I hear you europeans laughing at us because you've had chip in pin forever However, these shimmers are still showing up in europe Because they can still take the information if the bank doesn't check the icvv And then they can go and use it online or replicate the card and use it in a market that still has magnetic stripes like the united states So don't get too smug about it And and and do you know do do all those same things cover your your your pin codes, etc Because it could happen anywhere although it's more likely to happen here. Yeah, it's an issue Chances are because it's it's so rare. You probably won't run into this From your own atm usage, but you know, maybe somebody who's watching the show has had this happen to them But it's it's very rare. You should still watch out for it. Just, you know, it keeps you from dealing with the stress but Just for shimmers make sure that you're using a decent atm and for skimmers themselves Just pull on it. You're not going to break an atm by pulling on it. So don't be afraid of it Well, or if you do you just find yourself a skimmer Exactly if you do pull something off It's probably a skimmer How do you know? Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. It helps us find these great conversations submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Another jay martin is paying attention because he wrote hello, tom shannon and roger. He he knew you were on the show Said I work for an anti spam company for many large isps A few of those have enabled email delivery over ipv6 Nearly a hundred percent of the email of traffic over ipv6 is spam at this point So that's another reason we need to get this ipv6 switch happening is it we can't leave it just to the spanners He also wrote I looked into switching my home network to ipv6 and I ran into several roadblocks I purchased my own modem, which is ipv6 capable, but on the router configuration page It says ipv4 only I didn't realize that isps approve and push firmware and settings to modems So it's up to the isp to have your external ip b ipv6 So the person who said they they couldn't figure out why their ipv6 modem wouldn't let them do ipv6 It might be because of your isp Also, another jay martin says my eero router does not support ipv6 at this time Stating on their site that eero does not yet support dhcp v6 or any ipv6 firewall So if you're using the eero or some of these other mesh network, uh, may have the same Situation then you're not going to be able to use ipv6 yet That stinks. I want to use it now. I know Uh, and then arthur in moderately snowy toronto says, okay I was listening to tuesday's show and was glad to hear you helped spread the word about ipv6 However, I was surprised to hear ethan banks suggest that ipv6 eliminates the need for nat In the example case where all devices in the home have a publicly routable ip It would be true that isps could help identify specific bandwidth intensive devices inside the home But these devices exposed to the internet would also be fodder for hackers All of the iot devices with poor security standards would be granted instant access to the internet and the internet to them Common ipv4 routers that are currently in use provide a type of firewall protecting all the devices on the home network from the outside world Even in a future ipv6 world I hope to see the homeowner or business continue using nat routers to block unwanted incoming connections As a related aside, I used to configure my router to pass ssh request to a linux machine in my house It was always entertaining to review the access logs for the piles daily failed dictionary attacks against the system Well, thank you arthur I think what ethan is saying and I've actually seen other people write this about ipv6 is we shouldn't have to rely On nat firewalls to protect our devices the devices should be secure Right, right That's the ideal world is that you don't have an internet of things device that Allows any connections except the ones that you've authorized and we need to have that happen And some people argue that an ipv6 world will hurry that along because the device makers can't fudge things and hope they get protected by A firewall that said I totally see what arthur is saying is great. That's a lovely idea Uh until that happens. I'm definitely running a firewall to protect those devices Yeah, and and you should because you know, just like you said iot manufacturers haven't been implementing proper security on those devices kind of love that arthur is He's passing ssh request to a linux machine in his house. That's hilarious. I would love to see your logs Send your logs to shannon arthur if you feel feel like it's a good laugh Uh, finally dan from no longer warm michigan. I'm sorry to hear that dan Uh says scott as usual made excellent points about automation and the rise of electronic spreadsheets Creating more jobs and less drudge work for accountants And there are several examples of this dynamic where the industry is improved by automation Where I feel it falls down is in industries where the automation slash robots complete basically all the work Those accountants were able to take the much more organized and granular info and better serve their clients with more informed Down analysis and recommendation in the auto industry if the robot entirely builds the car then the car is done That's the end if the coal mining robot handles all the tasks relevant to getting the coal out of the ground at the surface Then that's done if each of them then load their products onto self-driving trucks Then it's delivered people are certainly freed up But for what the job is done. Those are the industries where there will be some of the strongest trauma Oh That's a good point No, they're great points And when when we were talking on that show when I was saying there are definitely going to be the people who don't have the replacement jobs I think dan's doing a good job of identifying where Those trouble points are going to be and those are the people we have to make an extra effort To work on new jobs for them if those jobs get eliminated. This is no different You know then then then people who used to Do things in agriculture most of our jobs were agriculture for for decades and automation of agriculture eliminated So many of those jobs right we had to figure out. Okay What do we do with those laborers and how do we bring them into other industries and take advantage of that? That is that is a more difficult problem for sure Yeah, that's a big problem. I wish I had the answer Yeah, and and there are lots of people working on job retraining internship that that amazon internship that microsoft program We talked about where they say hey We we can take you from an eliminated job and and get you started on another career Those are efforts to do that not everybody who worked say, you know in an automotive job or a coal mining job Wants to become a developer though. So you need a lot of different options Good well, thank you dan for the email and thank you shannon for being on the show Thank you for having me on yeah anytime you want to geek out about like credit card processing. Let me know This was that was great I I kind of took a shot in the dark when I said shannon that the topic today and she responded with like Oh, yeah, no this I've forgotten. I think maybe you told me you used to work in card processing But I probably did it was it was my first introduction to a job that had to do with security. So for for me Um, that was one of the first times that I was really into like oh hacking and privacy and security This is kind of important. I should learn more and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing now. Yeah, that's great What a really is a good story. Uh, if you want to follow what shannon's doing now, uh, where should they go to find it? Uh, you can find me over on twitter. I'm at snubs snub s not two b's just one b I don't know why people put doobies in there, but they do uh, and you can also find all of my shows over at hack five It's h a k 5.org our most recent ones. We've had a couple of really really good interviews on hack five about uh Did you know that your phone can be fingerprinted with the ir transmissions? Isn't that weird proximity? So you just so so everybody's phone has a little different ir It's a little bit different. Isn't that weird? It's a little creepy. Yeah, it is a little creepy. Yeah So a great interview there. 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Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover Good show It's a perfect brian brushwood impersonation just so lifelike so lifelike i thought it was creepy Oh, i'm tired today What did oh, I this is funny icvv what you did there Bankers won't change their swipes These are good Wedging a shimmer between you and your money Then uh shimmer shimmer cocoa puff Dang it you guys then uh shimmer primer is grimer than skimmers grimmer primer Shimmer primer is grimmer than skimmers Well, maybe it's primer because then it would rhyme all the way through. Yeah, that's a Uh, all that shimmer steals gold. That's a good Shimmers to the left shimmers to the right here. I am stuck in the middle man attack with you Okay, little stealers wheel Shim shim salabim. Oh, you guys are so creative. Yeah, this is a good day Let's see I see vv you taking my info Ah, funny Lawls Uh Big old mountain of fud for me. Yeah Pete apple arms, you know, I said that didn't I big old mountain of fud You get the oriole. That's the opera one that I gave with your shimmer see 1.21 Like the shimmer primer is grimmer than skimmers. That's my favorite is grimmer than skimmers Why don't she's got it? I like wedging a shimmer between you and your money I'm actually a big fan of icv v what you did there We are the boss man. We can we can let the votes we can let the votes continue to come in for a little bit. I'm still leveling With great 4k comes great dr. Immobility icv you baby That's creepy Shimmer that shimmer me timbers shimmer me timbers Is that on there or did you just make that out? I made that that's good. I like that Our shimmer me timbers So what do you have the rest of the day shannon? um, I need to edit hack five and I need to um go over some notes from meeting I had this morning Because we're gonna destroy the studio later this year It's gonna be the bionic studio. Yeah, so I need to start doing research on what we need to Replace and buy and see what our budget will allow us to get and stuff like that. So that's a part of eileen's job Hey, will she do it for me because this sounds really boring I'll pay her not really in starbucks They're uh, she might you know, you might hit her up for advice not not even joking there Because that's she that's what she did at youtube a lot and Fandango right now is building a new studio and she's she's involved in the she has to give a presentation and all So yeah, yeah, I'll ask her for some recommendations because I've never bought anything for the studio So um my I have a big lack of education when it comes to that stuff. So yeah Are you looking to where to buy from or are you just looking for what to buy? I know that we're gonna go for black magic because we have a lot of their stuff already So we can implement new products pretty easily because they'll all work with what we already have but um Which models and stuff like that like I'll need to figure that out and what Lighting equipment is stuff like that lighting lighting can be a mixed bag depending on what you want if Generally if you're just doing like what you guys do, which is a stand-up. I would just say get led floodlights Okay, yeah, we have a few of those Um If you if you I mean if you want to make it a little more dramatic you could go with spots But spots get hot and they're really Oh, we don't need those we have um flow lights. I think is what they're called right now Kino flow I have no You know, I love kina flow, but they're also super pricing your stuff with their tubes Yeah, I would recommend that these guys are low buck, but they're in the bay area if you go to Um, how can I send you something think about kina flow though? And I know they're super expensive is they're so dead simple like you just point them and they Yeah, well, that's the thing with with led floods. You can do the same thing But they offer the ability to adjust the brightness and the color depending on which Where are you shannon? Are you at shannon? Are you snubs on here? Um shannon at hack 5.org or Or snubs at hack 5.org Oh, no, I mean in the chat. Oh in the chat. Um, I think you're hack 5 snubs. No, oh there you are Yeah, I'm hack 5 snubs there. Just send it to you. Oh, thank you So these guys are down in the south bay This is what we used to buy for some of the stuff at rev rev 3 because they're super cheap like cheap like You know, not like it's like 20 bucks or anything But on the average it tends to be 30 to 40 cheaper than Oh, cool. Okay Awesome. Thank you Oh time to pick the title I say go with what you want if you want to go icv you No, I want to go icv what you did there. Yeah, that one's that one's winning. It's winning. It's winning Lowercase i though, I think is how yes, it is a lowercase. Okay good You're gonna like doing that Doesn't get old I was gonna go to the gym with my friend, but she's sick we can go by yourself Nah No, I do not have that much motivation I have no motivation for that, which is why I don't join gyms. I will I will do I'll work out at home, but Roger would never join a gym that would take him No, I wouldn't Like, oh, let me use your nautilus machine from 18 1985 Yeah, right Where's the lesson many would clean this 1985 The worst the worst is when like pieces of the foam padding are like so or that they're disintegrating off the machine Oh, yeah, that's nice. I don't put a towel over it Yeah, it's funny. Like we bought an elliptical machine Used and it's been great. It was it was a super discount and we have it and we brought it with us when we came down from san francisco and It's awesome. And eileen uses it Regularly, but she still likes to go to classes and stuff. Like there's just something about for her Being in a group that is more motivating sometimes Yeah, I can't go to a gym and workout by myself. I I have no motivation to do so but if if I make a Like a date with one of my lady friends and I'm like we're going here together then I'll do it It's that that motivation. Yeah It's like I don't want to put somebody down. I can put myself down all the time As motivation, come on. Yeah, one more basically If you fail the first time, but I'm totally like that though Like a record drill instructor fail at this you'll fail at everything in life I think I'm pretty good at that. I did grow up on on bases. So So this is natural second nature Yeah, I I Sawyer is my motivation. I go running with him. Oh, that's cool. So I know he like really enjoys it It's important for him to get outside and see the world Well, not the world at least but our neighborhood Yeah Oh no biocast said he just finished an audible book the other day and instead of the garbled voice that you normally get at the end The the reader the narrator actually said the audible hopes you have enjoyed this program Oh, wow, and biocasts like I was a disappoint Honorable, I'm sure I've enjoyed this program I wonder if that'll happen on pilot x Maybe I can request like please use the garbled tag My audience demands it When are you coming out with the audiobook March 14 Yeah, you can pre-order it now Are you reading it or No, they they got a pro. He's done a bunch of david weber books and bruce cat Yeah, that's awesome I'll have to get it when it comes out because I am a slow reader Yeah, you can too exit I'm actually curious how many hours it's gonna end up being I'm gonna guess it's like around eight or eight to ten I don't think it'll be super long That's good. That's good. That's a good length for a books Yeah, if it ends up being like 56 hours like game of thrones or something Like great north road. Oh my that took me months jason says hi. Hi jason. He says hi jason It's my co-worker. He was hiding behind this thing the whole time. Yeah, the whole time for real the whole time He was just crouched down behind it waiting for us to stop. Yeah I Almost exported almost there I have to go do a twin peaks podcast and I had a panic this morning because For some reason I got behind and I thought I had watched the episode we're talking about and I hadn't So I took really really spare notes. I'm just gonna have to rely on ron for this one I'm not gonna tell you which episode it is. So if you're listening to damn fine podcast Try to guess which one I wasn't properly prepared for Maybe I'll just say it on the show. Oh, hey chat realm. I'm looking for a Spreadsheet that I can plug in all of my like tax data into throughout the year And it'll tell me how much I owe at the end of the year because I'm self-employed so Well, yeah, but you know google spreadsheets are free So if there's if there's like a a spreadsheet that's already been made by somebody that has all the math involved For a regular, uh, you know irs reporting I don't know if that exists if it doesn't I'll make my own it'll take me a long time But I'll make my own but um, yeah I'm trying to look for something that can just calculate everything if I plug in all the numbers Just so you have an idea like an estimate Yeah, like I spent this much and all my expenses for the year For my schedule c and then I put this much into retirement. So tell me how much I owe at the end of the year So if anybody knows you can send it to me at snubs on twitter, don't forget all those charitable donations yes, which I I don't think I don't need enough to Go over the standard deduction because I can't afford it. Yeah, but I wish I could I wish I could just donate to everybody Not for the tax benefit, but just just to do it. Yeah It's such a turn-off like if you're If it doesn't go over your standard deduction nobody's gonna give Like it should be counted as something separate so that everybody is more likely to help the cause Yeah, which I do like last year I gave I gave to a bunch of causes and um, Like even go fund me is that but yeah motivation behind it. Yeah Yeah, but I feel like the motivation is not there for a lot of people unless you're like super rich to give to charities Um, but I still do you can do you can just you can deduct professional memberships to Oh, yeah, I do that Yeah, my professional membership to amazon prime. We should start a professional society So that you could use it as a tax shelter Okay, I'm down for real if you want to do that Society of professional podcasters Just put that loophole in there. Yeah Sometimes I think that's why a lot of these societies got started, right? I think you're right I feel some good spreadsheets on the internets um, some google doc spreadsheets that help you Calculate stuff, but most of them are for like This is where you can plug in all of your expenses for your business But they don't do the calculation for like after your net amount This is how much you owe after egi and that's what I want to figure out, but it's so hard to figure out Though I did find a tax accountant for this year, so I'm not panicking about that. So that's good. Good Okay, so the past two days I have accidentally put the daily tech headlines link in the post Oops, I've even got some people like so. Why did you change the policy to put all the episodes? And I'm like I didn't just accidental Uh, so right now I'm copying the link. It is the proper link That says icvv what you did there in the url And I'm putting that in the href around mp3 Pretty sure I'm not screwing it up today pretty sure publishing now wish me luck People are like, hey, so what happened and I'm like that I screwed it up two days in a row. That's what happened One guy was really nice. He's like, I'm not criticizing you. I just want to make like do you need help? Is everything okay? I'm like, yeah, yeah, man. I just you know, we all have those I'll have those days All right, we are done. Thanks everybody for watching Have a good afternoon. We'll be back tomorrow with chris ashley and lent peralta