 What did you learn about the nature of politics and made it you a more optimistic or more pessimistic human being? What politics did teach me is that nothing is impossible. I grew up in the eastern part of the country, bordered Mozambique. When the War of Liberation started, I was a small boy, but I did see the war. And at that time it was unthinkable that the gorillas would be able to defeat this monolithic army of people who had helicopters, cars, big cars, big guns. But I lived to see the system collapse. I lived to see the people who were working from a position of disadvantage win. And then when I joined the opposition, it was unthinkable that one day President Mugabe's government can be beaten. I lived to see Mugabe being beaten in 2008. And I lived to see myself actually winning an election as a member of parliament, of course. But I also see the brutal, I saw the brutal side of politics. Politics without rules is a recipe for disaster for men, for for mankind. There must be rules. And these rules don't have to be necessarily written. There must be social rules that govern people. We must be this, we can be this unfair, but not that unfair. And what I've seen is that most politicians go all the way to get what they want, irrespective of how they get it. So in the world of politics, especially Zimbabwean politics, I've seen people treat each other in the most despicable of manners. Mr. Mugabe, still president of your country, was, if I remember correctly, one of those freedom fighters to turn Rhodesia into Zimbabwean and make it a free African country. He became president, he's still president already for 36 years. What did you learn about the nature of power? And I'm asking you this because our first round table conversation will be about what's the defect in our society. And probably the nature of power has something to do with it. George Orwell in Animal Farm was very prophetic and you'd think that he wrote that with the Zimbabwean mind. The way the animals fight, win together, get power and the way they then treat each other when the power has been begotten. I think Mr. Mugabe was a good fighter for liberation and he did articulate the things well. Unfortunately, when we got into independence, he found the instruments of oppression used by his press assessors. And for him, he could use them to suppress dissent and he was tempted to use these instruments. So what that teaches us about the nature of power is that you must limit it before a person gets it. The second thing is that, ironically the British seem to have learned this faster, it is that a good leader in war time is not necessarily a good leader in peace time. Fortunately, the British had their church during the war and I am yet to read of a better man motivating his country to fight and fight well, a very difficult war I suppose, to see that man at the end of that war losing an election. And I think it was a realization that you can be good in peace time, in war time. You may not necessarily be the best person to do the reconstruction of the country. And I think Zimbabweans in Mugabe, they forgot that.