 Hello everybody if it's Saturday and this show is happening then there must have been some kind of Warhammer reveal show Joining me as always is my co-host Tom. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Hello friends. I'm so excited. Yeah, this is a this is a good one Absolutely also joining us to talk about all things Warhammer II is our good buddy Chuck. What's up, man? Welcome back Hey, good to be back excited to talk some hot Goss reveals. That's right. That's right. We're gonna we're gonna we're getting into it here We're gonna talk about all the stuff Tom only has a little bit of time, but that's okay We'll we'll we'll borrow Tom for as much time as we can here and then he'll bounce out and Chuck and I'll finish up All right, so gentlemen overall let's start with the standard stuff Tom 40,000 foot view with this reveal. What'd you think how are you excited that kind of thing? I'm not I'm not like a seven five like I feel I feel maybe an eight maybe an eight There's only one real miss and it was like just because that the the army doesn't interest me I know a lot of people for a lot of people. I like I don't know. Yeah, I would say seven five That feels seven five eight feels about right for me. Okay. Okay, Chuck where you sitting? I'm in a solid I'm a solid eight. I Model-wise in general, I'd probably be like right around that seven five But the fact that they at least announced Start of next year will see the old world finally released because all the rumors been I'm tired of getting dragged out on it So now there's a date. I feel much more Excited for it. I can start prepping for it. So yeah, that puts me up to a solid eight Yeah, I'm gonna actually fall in the exact same place. I'm gonna vote eight as well Because I think this is like good like you guys you made me the negative person You're fine. You're very close. You're in there. Yeah, we're all you round up to us It's all good and I get your point and that's fair like you you had a very good reason for being slightly different I think we're all very positive on this, right? I agree with you completely. We got solid dates We got a confirmation on range reveal. We got I mean really a lot of cool stuff for what's coming up in AOS So honestly, this was the fantasy side of this was amazing I think if you're a 40k person more this probably wasn't as interesting for you Well, it's a me interesting for them because they got two codex's announced and that's a big shift to the meta So I imagine on that and maybe not model wise but rules wise gameplay wise Probably excited on that front. That's fair. Sure. That's a fair point. Speaking of 40k. I mean, it's not really our prime focus But let's just talk about it real quick. We'll just move through the two articles You did mention the two new codices. We have adeptus mechanicus and the necrons Yeah, so good. I'm so glad we got the necrons so I can say necrons like a hundred times. Okay, but necrons The robot necrons a bunch of robits. So Let's start with the adeptus mechanicus With this goofball Just completely leaning into the silly I see we are with mr. Stiltlegs here As our new character truly I do love how silly this army is I Love his super low-hanging exhaust pipe. Yeah, I sure Yeah, I Just see this and I want like a flat cap on him like he's out on the British side hunting with that gun Yeah, like just like we have a robot top hat for Arkea Why can't they have a robot flat caps for these guys lean into it? If this if this game was like a completely true line of sight boy, oh boy Would this guy be a nightmare? He's just walking around like shoot me. I'm very right But is he a towering to anybody he wants Sure, that's true. Yes. Absolutely. So yeah, I mean, it's two different builds the dude Obviously, I'm not gonna get into the rules and all that because I don't play enough 40k to be able to Speak to all that Next we also got our necrons Which has this new Lord guy, which don't we already have like a lot of these lords I feel like we get so many of these I don't know on lords. I don't know I'm pretty sure I saw this guy in a magic card one time. Yeah, sure Yeah, like like that art's been around forever. It's just finally it's a model. Sure. Great. It's fine That's cool. It's fine It's fine. Okay Now, let's jump to the things that we're probably deep and want to have some conversations about Let's talk about the return of an old friend from the launch Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I own is crypt born This was the Lord relic der who was in the original launch box alongside Vanda's hammerhand mr. Skull face with his little skull banner Basically, everybody's Lord relic der model, right? Yeah But there's a named version of him which was I own is crypt born which was the guy in the story and he's back baby and He it says here in order to continue on their quest the words of sigmar must rely on the help of a dubious ally Who has not been seen in the mortal realms for as long as many can remember Enter the god king's prodigal son and first Lord relic der I own is crypt born He's still got the skull thing going on. He loves a good skull mask, but now you're a dragon Okay, this was amazing Not just any dragon to like a super shady one. They said yeah Wow Which I like tell me more about that like a sinister dragon Go it's just like from the realm of death around my shadow Is it just just a pain in the butt type dragon at no one else like so, you know I grew it off the right nose reindeer, but he was never became useful So it just stayed mean, you know what telly's evil because every time they zoom in on his face the dragon goes Shit, yeah, and looks to the sides like that. That's how you know, he's evil. Yeah, what I'll say is this This is a sculpt. It really is it's so good It's so good that I let's not sleep on that flowing cloak coming up around his back Like the movement that like crouch of the dragon is really really good Like just I love everything about this guy man The wings are fantastic the his new armor with like the rib bone Thing on the on the chest looks really cool This is the kind of stuff I want to see in a model like this like for a special guy like this. This thing is amazing Right, and I'm excited because he's probably not hammers a sigma or anymore based upon the Lower and stuff. I would guess not Yeah, can I put him in all my arm my army that's not hammers a sigma and get full benefit for the rules? I'm excited for that I mean it did say that he like he first took his old Um chamber which like that wasn't in any lore previously that I I'm aware of like it might have been in one of the novels Like I knew he was being pulled Chuck. We talked about this, right? Like there was clearly some like movement or something going on with him And then he dropped out of the narrative and then suddenly we find out he's been gone for centuries What? What I didn't I didn't know storm cast went rogue Right like this is not not that rogue like either the night questers like they got a goal But like he's just like peace out. I'm doing something Yeah, he's searching on rip like he's been searching like like like astria soul bright in the current narrative He's searching for the solution to the flaws in the reforging Right, right But he's described as a dubious ally, right? And that having abandoned his prior chamber and like Like they said that and I was like Why didn't you lead with like where was this narrative wise? When we found out that like storm cast can and will forsake sigma or will leave their army leave their posts Yeah, that's never he left his he left his chamber and he's off on his own mission. He's still he's still he's still a Still following, you know He would a wall. Yes. Well, like I want yeah being a wall and storm cast is really hard I'm really excited because that means all these hundreds of years thousands however long it is I'm not sure that he's been gone. He has probably not died because that'd be real awkward. That's a walk of shame like reforging like Hey, welcome back Exactly. It's the same thing with like why demons can't go rogue very easily because every time they die They have to go back to where they they came from, right? Uh, like from the story and the very first speaking of ionis then that very first engagement They killed a bloodthirster and that bloodthirster got knocked back to corn's palace And then had to report to corn and corn's like, why did you die? You're one of my great champions and he's like, I don't know some storm cast dude hit me with a hammer I don't even know what these things are And he had to like explain to corn what storm cast were. Yeah So, yeah, it's a real problem when you automatically return home when you die Um, so yeah, he hasn't died for for a long time is clearly the truth there because he's you know, He hasn't made himself reforge You mentioned one other thing tom, which is worth talking about. Yeah, there's his original sculpt obviously Yeah So what we the other thing that we've learned that's super fascinating to me is actually a narrative piece Which is he's an arch relicter. Yeah, which suggests that there's another there's another tier now in the hierarchy Of like we had lord relicters and knight relicters, but now we have an arch relicter So we may have another tier of a bunch of different storm cast And I and I wonder if it'll all be named folks because there's only a handful of them or or what? But I thought it was super fascinating that this new arch Categorization within the storm cast hierarchy. Yep, and and you can see here that we've got the the What'll clearly be our box as well because Iona script porn takes flight alongside two fire belching storm drake guard In crypt warren storm wing a box which will be released alongside dawn bringers book three belong hunt So so there's your new box the three more dragons and that Here's my $200 box. Well as we'll see in a moment, right? Yeah They're gonna have their own army of renown So is that a dragon army? Is that what i'm hearing here? Do we do we have a dragon army? I mean, I think so and it's probably gonna be like $200 for that for that uh for that starter box Because he's like he's sitting firmly in the 130 category and then the tomb storm breaker normally like what 210 I or 110 sorry. I have something like that. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's 210 too. Yeah So awesome stuff Let's uh Cinderfall said in the show they talked about the seraphon working with him very cool. Um, all right So, yeah, I mean this guy's amazing. Excited to see I'm glad that uh that dragon dot exe meme might become just an official Army list. That's great. Uh, let's keep going because we've got I'm mindful of tom's time and I want to make sure we get we get time to have him react to all this aos Yeah, this subcategory here 10 out of 10. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely amazing Let's talk about the other new character we're getting. Holy crap Belfin those first thorn of kerrnoth has arrived Uh, he is responsible for keeping the spirit of kerrnoth the silveneth god of the hunt alive And should his eternal chase ever cease the dim embers of godhood would gutter out forever uh Okay, what I'm sorry. What? Uh, kerrnoth hero riding a giant bug. I didn't know what I needed in my life, but this is it This is it I gotta say the lady the vines also has a Splinter her spear is a splinter from kerrnoth his spear So so is this one so but he's the one that if he dies we're in trouble. We lose that god Like come on. That's why you got the bug. Just give us kerrnoth. Hey, it's got the bug. Yeah Wait, I ryan pose on that mount. Oh my goodness. I love the roots just holding him on there He doesn't have a real size. So he's got to use his roots. He's got cheat Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't have the the allarial grip, right? Yeah, them them them them them super thighs Yeah, so he has to he has to I am Groot it on to the bug to make sure he can hold on. Yeah Yeah, so this what this was my like Seven Because I'm just not interested in the army, but that's what I said like some people really are into it, right? like some people are really into uh kerrnoth, right and the and the and I just I picked it up yesterday I like I like um, and so I get it right like I get that that uh Because this also suggests that there may be a new direction Like it's been hinted at for prior additions or new options or possibilities for for building out silver Right. Yeah, that's the new forward Like I am stoked for this guy. First of all, by the way, everybody watching if you haven't hit like hit like for awesome Kornoth guy on a giant bug and or ionis kriphorn coming back I love by the way the return of special characters like that where they get a glow This is the kind of stuff they should be doing This is the kind of stuff I want to see because it's it moves the narrative It's an amazing model and it gives us new options for play like it is a win on all three fronts This is the kind of like this is the thing folks. This is this is it Uh, so like yeah, this guy's amazing. I mean, I don't know what to to say about him other than you're right He has the Orion pose sounding the horn um So you can see all the details here of his giant little bug Which has a super cool look like I love the bug. I love him. I love his leaf cloak I mean I'm in for this guy completely He will obviously also show up in the book He will also have his own army and he also Obviously will have a box because here's the box. It's three kernathi three of these little dudes And him and so it's perfect core for the new evergreen hunt army of renown which features in the long hunt So there you go this uh hard-hitting force of kernoth hunters and flying calvary Forsakes the the regular silvaneth hit and run tactics in favor of escalating buffs unlocked by running down prey It can also be used in a more traditional thing So what that tells me is okay the army of renown does not have strike and fade right like that's gotta be No, how do they just use the strike and strike again? Right. Yes. It's like, okay. Got it. This is this is they have the rule called balls beat Yeah, they're just just getting all the way in there. Yeah, so man, uh These guys are great. You know tom. I've always loved uh A kernoth as many people have like kernoth and tree lords are my things I don't really like the little bitly elves, but I can handle some bug riders too. I think the bug riders are pretty cool So yeah, so that's a good good combination there uh man just awesome like two incredible models Leading up two forces. I'm I'm honestly pretty excited about like, you know tom the reason Tom I have a big silvaneth army. Why don't I play my silvaneth tom? You hate trees? Like you hate like the the terrain trees not like like painting. Correct. I hate the terrain trees so If this army of renown Okay, does not use the silvaneth wildwood rules, which who knows like, I don't know Maybe it just will because maybe that's just what silvaneth does all the time But if it doesn't if they were like, you know what screw it with the army We can just jettison these stupid things out of here I'm back on board. Maybe silvaneth are back on the menu. Like that's all it's gonna take just get rid of those stupid trees Just let me like overgrow terrain or whatever like you did partially in the in the basic army, right? That's all I mean trees and trolls have or trees and frogs have a nice ring to it It's long time indeed. It does indeed my dog. It does indeed. Okay so uh, all right, so so there's that And then let's go back and then here we go the boom so speaking of book three the long hunt Iona's kripborn on the I love by the way the difference between artists imaginings And reality because look at the cover Right and how small ionis is compared to the size of his dragon He's like riding car's eye in the in on the cover, right? Like that's the size comparison But but then in reality the model's like man, not really He's it's a big dragon. It's not like that thing um So yeah, uh the long hunt. It's the continuing narrative, uh, you know, so of course, there's a big path to glory thing in there Yep, great. Okay, and then they mention in here somewhere Uh the other armies that are going to be in here. There we go. Okay. We are four new armies of renown The two headline characters have their armies represented in the evergreen hunt Uh, and the draconauts skywing about a force of mounted stormcast eternals. Oh We getting is it all dragons? Is it all dragons? Okay, and then Ogre players can eat their fill with the roving maw Which turns the battlefield into a tapestry of ravishly toothy orifices. Oh boy. That's a loaded sentence That nibble and chew at units who strayed too far from safety as gut busters and gorgers Nimbly we between them so clearly we have new That using the new gorger guys that that are in that thing And then tom here's an exciting one for you. The I know Droth keepers round things out pairing vulcan flame seekers, which is those other new guys, right? With magma dross that embody the searing ardor of vulcatrix And especially bold flame seekers can't get you right on these flame filled beasts as they charge into battle But did you see that rule? Skilled droth wranglers once per turn of your movement phase you can pick one friendly Vulcan flame seeker unit wholly within six inches of a friendly magma droth That is not yet moved in that phase and say that it will hit you lift on the magma droth We do so after you've moved that magma droth instead of making a move with that unit Move from the battlefield and set it up again on the battlefield wholly within six that magma droth more than three inch Follower units. Yes, so your mobility baby guys. Yeah, I can write on top of your Your magma droths and and get a get a ride magma dross or what 12 inch base moves that right? Uh Yes, but you couldn't get that up there So you could get like 20 inches across the table, right and then pop these guys out another six So there's actually like now there's a question of like uh combat effectiveness, right? Like like you can't deliver these to alpha, right? Because that's not what these types of models are but what I will say is this It's a really interesting play for like taking objective because it allows you to have an a mag and Unit of these guys and really reach out and grab like unguarded or under guarded objectives. Yeah Yeah, no, I mean, it's crazy mobility for an army that was normally actually lacking that so It's limited to the little flame seeker guys, but still I sense those guys are going to be pretty popular Um, and by pretty popular, I mean, uh, the four flame the four Buyers players players in the country will all buy them. So that's nice. That's a good sales bump for them I will Ah the jokes, uh, so Uh, yeah, I mean overall, what do we think about dawn bringer's book three with this stuff in there? That sounds pretty exciting like sounds like some pretty exciting stuff clearly FEC is waiting till the next book um, and Uh, I mean what I'll say is this I like like I like what we're seeing Um, the ogres look amazing Um, I like the gorgers Um So I'm like 10 storm cast. Yep, sure Like seven Ish Six and a half seven turn off. Okay Uh, probably seven gorgers Okay And then like eight and a half fireside All right So that hence my like seven and a half eight score I get it. I get it. You know, I mean, I'm stoked about the It also says by the way it does mention that corgis call is going to be back in in the mix here. Um, after he apparently killed an entire um I guess constant higher drows fist or something. Yeah. Well, yeah, he like killed a whole continent or something. Yes Oh, yeah I remember he killed the whole the whole continent was alive. And so he killed that thing That was like his big offering to to Lauren, right? So Assuming they will get some mention of him at least in the story Um, they didn't mention a very renowned for corn. So so maybe we have to wait till book four before he gets his his full army of renown or whatever I'm just excited for the story continuation because the the first book was kind of slow It's all right. The second book really like the story is really gripping And the third one. I'm hoping they just keep continuing it because I like the way it's flowing I like the way it's feeling I'm still I still think somehow laryll's going to be the one that stops the guy ran Okay, one of them's going to pass one's going to fail I think actually is going to succeed but I think I think guy runs gonna not succeed based upon like a laryll doing something Maybe just to make it interesting. Yep. Yeah, I agree Uh, I think that's probably the right read I mean, I'm excited for the ogre army of renown because I think the new gorger models are actually pretty good I've always liked the gut luster side more than I like the bcr side So it's cool to have another option there. So that's exciting to play that. I'm very excited for the potential of All dragon dot exe the army that sounds fun I'm excited about Potentially actually putting myself enough on the table. We'll see fingers crossed could happen. It could happen Gentlemen, I need to bounce but uh, it's been enjoyable Uh, I'm excited for the old world players to finally have a deadline. So good on you all Hey, keep an eye on ebay. High elves are going up soon Yeah Exactly. All right, very good. Take it easy tom. Have a good day with your kids Okay, uh chuck and I are going to continue boldly on here talking about the rest. So yeah, I mean like overall I agree. I think that by the way, chuck, I watched your Your readout when you're talking when you were bagging on pun tip on teffa cat Ponteffex Ponteffex anestra. Yeah. Yeah, I was watching you bag on her and I'm like, yep, totally with you I agree like she's a lunatic. She's a complete lunatic Right, it's it's it's and I I don't know where like I I applaud it. I'm not bemoaning it the the whole concept of the wheel is like their symbol of religion is just Asinine Yeah, why don't you just actually make the chaos star your religion ponteffex? How can you not see you're being You're being related here. Uh, so it great model great rules. Everyone's gonna use her. I refuse to use her out of But I don't know just just she's too crazy. I love Marathi. She's too crazy. Yeah, no, I'm with you. Absolutely Um, so, you know, very interested to see what our new armies of renown are. I'm excited. We're getting like four full new armies of renown That's going to be really interesting options And yeah, man, I am super stoked for these new these new models. So overall, I mean book three looks like a banger Uh, it wasn't the and uh, we were we were pretty decent on let me see here Let me see if I still have my do I still have my guesses Okay, my guess is for book three for what was going to be in there was sylvaneth corn ogres and seraphon. Okay Uh, and then we had said maybe stormcast So what we actually ended up with was sylvaneth ogres stormcast and fire slayers So and then corn gets a mention, but I don't it doesn't sound like they're getting an army of renown sadly Um, but clearly there are big no, they gotta be They gotta be be the big funnel boss for the axi campaign. They have yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, you put them in before I didn't think about that, but you're absolutely right Of course, of course, that's right Um Yep, yep Uh Okay So trials hollum says the Gorgias rule really bugs me. It will never not be in effect. So just delete the worthless text Uh, I mean sure because they you're saying if they're not wholly within one inch of a terrain feature Sure, like just don't put them on terrain and then you never have to worry about it. They always have run in charge Yeah, I guess it's just it's some movement limitation. So it's fine. It's still cool Um, I'm interested to see how the unit of gorgias shakes out and what that that's going to play in the army of renown or whatever Yeah, I mean, how's it even still like how's it just going to play in the the new book? Like what's its role going to be? Right, right, right? Absolutely. Yeah, I love them. I love them Yeah, I agree. Are we gonna like fundamentally change their their role or their function or something? Okay Boom boom quick kill team thing here We'll just jump into this because I am to understand that why this kill team thing is exciting is because of the new striking scorpions Like I guess those hadn't been remade yet. Is that correct chuck? Yes, they were they were like 19 Not early 1990s metal big chunky. They were hideous Gotcha, gotcha Uh, not ever having like I never liked eldar even when I was playing 40k originally back in the 90s So like none of this was on my radar. I never People I had a buddy who would play eldar and things would just run at me and then myself would die So I didn't really know what was going on Uh, and didn't bother to ever learn their units, but yeah, these guys look cool So so but this is the new exciting thing right a new plastic striking scorpions. So it's fine. They look like eldar to me Yeah, they're they're fine. They were never my favorite unit But if you're and I play eldari, so it's it they're okay. I don't know I don't care for them, but sure they're cool that there's a new model anytime There's an updated to an old model great fantastic, right, right? Uh, charles holm said it's holy within one inch will his bases ever be within one inch Well, keep mind charles you could be on the terrain and then you're holy within one inch of it So there you can't be on the terrain is what it's saying Like we can go to ash on Yeah, yeah, like like the point because if they walk up on terrain, they can't run in charge That's what the rules actually saying at any rate. Yeah, these guys look good Yep, um, we're slowly getting all our plastic aspect warriors out. I guess it's just gonna it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna Trickle out over time. So that's that's fine. What one of the things about this is they they they with the eldar They really are just always clearly trying to live up to the original just good wind sculpts Because obviously he was the one who did, you know, most of the original army And there's just not a lot of room for improvement. I think they're and so they're like You know, they're so for being the elf trope. They're so uniquely warhead Because of the way he designed. So, you know what going too far away from it would probably lead you into something that you didn't Didn't mean to be Copying of a sword. So like why not lean into what kind of he said is perfection to a point. Yeah, how can we how can we adapt and change it? Yeah, it's really just like taking the old sculpt Applying the modern technology we now have to like sharpen the model refine the model get the clean detail on there Maybe add a little bit of touches here or there like, you know, these little tiny things on his legs Right like having these little tiny extra extra cut-ins and stuff you couldn't have done on the old Metal sculpts or stuff like that, right with it with a silicon mold So, yeah, just just very very small details things like that And then are these scouts just the same scouts that we already had or are these new scouts as well? I can like the scouts with a new sprue I think it's scouts with a new sprue because that's what they've been doing with the kill team Taking existing kit and got an extra sprue to give them options because I don't think they had the heavy weapons in the current Re-release version of these I can't recall. Um, I was never there was a couple new options from what I remember seeing with the scouts previously Yeah, so yeah, because I did that with um the jacari one. I was all excited and I realized it's just a sprue and I didn't care But yeah, but striking scorpions buy this box for that. Okay, uh, Vincent Aleko said this is the first release of the new scouts Oh, okay, cool. Oh, it is. Oh, very good. Okay. Cool. Let's see that been released. Nice I I saw I thought I I'm just confusing it pretty because again, not a space brain player So if it's not a big giant walkie stompy robot, I'm not paying attention to it Um All right. Yeah, but these guys are good. I like I like them. They're really good designs Really good like the faces on these look really good actually They're gonna be so much better than the old ones too. No, no Since these are the first time we get it because the old ones are on 25s. They're so small. They're so tiny Right. Oh, I you know, I'm confused. We're confusing the um black Templars. They kind of had their neophytes Uh, I bet that's where that's where we're that's where we're thinking because they look It's almost similar. Yep So yeah, good stuff cool cool guys Uh, I got some terrain that comes in that box. Yep. Cool pieces. That's fine. And then there you go As your there's your battlefield Uh, very nice. That's a that's a pretty nice battlefield. Actually. Yeah, I don't hate it. I like that great for kill team absolutely So pretty cool stuff overall to basically new forces there pretty nice Uh, and and like you said more plastic the the journey toward all plastic aspect warriors continues And then I I mean we certainly this is like, I don't know if it's the best for last But it's certainly the biggest for last because this is where they they packed a lot of information into this last one. So we finally Chuck got our our full story on the old world Uh, like all the deets effectively Uh, the full Bretonian army and when it's being released Right, which the release date confirmation because we've been going for how many years has it been? Three Oh, it's been a while but these these slow it's been longer than that been longer. Yeah, the first First mention of this was like 2020 Say, I'm I'm very blessed in my area to have a local crew that still plays fantasy battles So I get my rank and flank fill so I haven't been like, oh, I need this game. I need this game I'm like when this game comes out, I'm excited for it. But they get a confirmed released window To see I'm assuming everything here is like this is just the full Bretonian Yeah, they say you can expect to buy. Yeah, okay. Yep. So here we go. So, uh, There's been a long running development diary lore our weapons concepts blah blah blah today's reveal is a little more expensive So there's here's the video It's gonna make noise. So I'm gonna stop that Um, I'll just let this play for a minute. We can we can all watch this video I mean, it's worth it. They somebody put a lot of one of their video designers put a lot of effort into this And I'll just talk over it while while this is happening So we got to see we know all the new kits that are happening now We know what's coming back and what's So what old kits are being used? We know what's in resin and what's in plastic And we know that there'll be some special order stuff. And then yeah, not to bury the lead but the um the Reveal that the launch of this they said is in but they said q1 2024 or something, right? So best guess I would say end of january would be a good guess. Maybe Yeah My god dan is that real he said the first mention was nova before the pandemic. I thought it was 2020 But oh my over before the pandemic. Oh my goodness. 19. Yeah five years I originally had said four years and thought I was being everybody else was like, oh, this is gonna be awesome It's gonna come out so soon and I was like, it's gonna be four years I was undercutting it Yeah, uh, so there you go okay So let's talk about The range let's go through this So first up are the new plastic kits you haven't seen before in all their glory So the lord on pegasus now, we actually did see a little leak of just the pegasus alone in plastic earlier in the week Um, but here we have the the lord on peg classic hero Uh, uh glad to see it's re-sculpt still looks like the guy. It's a good glow up of this model This is like my second favorite model. I've seen out of the range. He is in plastic And He looks really nice clean sharp not too busy good details Like the pegasus lots of lots of places for like, you know for like me. I'm gonna put transfers vince I know you look at those shields all over him and go. Wow free hand. You got it per day. That's just it It's fine. Go go either direction. I'm never I'm never against transfers right like go for it. That's okay I mean, I've used a ton of those plutonium transfers on Everything everything and let's be honest too those wings like they they did those wings kind of quickly Like I can't tell it's like a contrast, but like man, you could put so much love into those wings Just just I mean it's gonna take a while line after line, but oh my goodness that would make that pop even more I agree that the the design on the wings is really sharp. They clearly just went like Let's contrast us move on You got a lot of paint, you know, okay We got this whole whole new range or whatever because they they clearly did a new army up for for this review. So yeah Um, imagine being the guy in the army painter or studio or whatever because I think some of these are done By the army painter studio who like everybody else is getting new kits and you get the Knights of the realm from From like 2001 Like come on man Now you see you find the one guy in there who like still loves plutonium still wants to paint them because he's Going to be like heck. Yes. Give me this classic model. Let me let me do what I couldn't do when I was young painting Yeah, exactly So so this guy's great and he can also be built instead of as a general So here's some different pictures of him So that's fine weapon options. Yep crown Just yeah, even even the horse the head has different options Yep, you can see different head here on armored here You got the armored head with the the extra sort of barding coming up as well So yeah, like really cool options. So different you can build your choice of either a lofty duke or slightly less high ranking baron Uh, so very cool. And then also he can be uh, battle standard bear It'll be a speed There you go. I don't it's gonna be real interesting because you know as an eighth edition player still currently Uh Considering putting my bsb not in a unit. He's just like why why would I waste my time and effort? But they said the rules are changing. I mean I'll um my I did a video where we broke down one of the articles and looked like the way they Placed the heroes that that might be something kind of like Near unit is sort of attached even though they're outside. So I'm hoping something like that because Also, like he this model should just be out on some you should look at across the table and be like, oh Dang, look at that thing not hidden in any units The worst thing they could ever do would just be to recreate the way Eighth edition worked like I mean no offense to people who are still playing eighth, but eighth had so many Really like catastrophic flaws and one of them was that you were suicidal if you put anything outside of a unit, right? Because it was just going to get can involved Like everybody the old ten inch from the back thing was just the stupidest set of rules ever that we all put up with All right, it was just dumb just dumb And like that doesn't mean you have to go back to guess range. No, I wouldn't be opposed to it I'd be much more interested in this if we went back to to guess range stuff. I loved guess range But that's just me But like, you know, just just make it so heroes can actually exist outside of units not immediately get obliterated um And so, you know and and these like let these beautiful models you've designed actually work Right. Also, I have no idea how you'd ever rank this model. Yeah, sure So, yeah, I mean, so, yeah, please I couldn't go in units and so I assume that'll still be the case Other new kit here the the other another new plastic kit. This is still in the plastic kits portion Is our new knights of the realm on foot. This was like a very requested unit back in the day. I remember Uh, like people were asking begging for this for years. People made alternate rules for them Like I'm pretty sure night. Well, there was creating this as an actually the The old edition of skirmish had this But I don't think they ever did they ever released like more than like maybe one model for it Or was that a kit batch even on that picture? I couldn't I don't know I think they had no I think it was the one model that came out of some side game that was this because I don't know if there was I know there was a more time guy that existed at one point It was this but anyways Like Yeah, man, these dudes look pretty good. Yeah, they're fantastic foot like I'm actually pretty impressed by this They have a really interesting. I like they're a little standard by the way. They're like the lady in the in the shrine Yeah, the little shrine I thought these were pretty pretty darn good like Dakota says they look meh. Okay. It's fine. I I don't know man. These guys hit for me I thought they were pretty cool. I like their I like their look I like their helmets. I like the way that they're they're little flourishy I don't know what to call it. This this thing has a name, but they're little Floatily or oh Oh Like that. Yeah piece. They're wearing has a name when it just covers doesn't have sleeves Like a duster. I think it's duster yet. I don't know whatever it is. Cool. I like it. Yes um Plus also this opens up just the entire like there's how you build the plutonium armies in all editions, obviously Yeah, but with that with this existing that changes up entirely You don't have peasants trying to take the blunt and hopefully there's a lord nearby to save them with with things like this is I have more than just knights running out there to do some work and that's kind of exciting I don't have a plutonium army But this would be a good chance to start not potentially because like those guys are just cool to me Uh, yeah, I do have a huge plutonium army. Thankfully that'll be pretty much ready to play day one But I don't have this unit. So maybe I'll like this would actually be a nice chance to paint up this new thing I mean, I do have like I already have a lord on peg and Many nightlances and all the peasants and the nice part is all of my peasants and knights of the realm that I have Of which I have a bunch. Guess what? I'm still good to go, baby. I'm ready. Yep day one Uh, so yeah, these guys, uh, this has been requested for years and uh, very hap sir coat Sir coat Thank you, peter ankhorn. That is exactly the word I was looking for Sir coat That is it I just want to point out that clearly we've got two different builds here If you notice to the first picture, they were classic because obviously, you know Warmer fantasy throughout all of the additions your weapon loadouts mattered in some way in some way, right? And so the knights of the realm Build one is sword and board Right, so your classic plus one to I like who knows what the rules will be but this is classically your plus one to save Harry save even whatever they want to do. Yeah, sure could be parry and save Bonus save could be just hand weapon and shield. So, you know, whatever whatever who knows But then your your the lower group is the two-handed weapon Right, um, as they've all got the giant choppy choppy axes I kind of my only this isn't a complaint This is me just wanting more after I see something beautiful and I love because I love both of these I wish there was more of like the giant two-handed sword options instead of just axes Which was mixed not for any other reason than that's what my brain wants. I understand. These are still great. They're still great Yeah, yeah I mean, I will say I really like the look of these axes like I both these these models really did went to hit for me And I've been I've been pretty Met on some of the plutonium miles so far because I didn't feel like the characters went far enough The pegs this guy worked for me. He's the right level. These guys work for me because they're infantry So I don't want a more detailed Right, like I want them to be like just like there's I don't know how to explain it But there's some kind of sweet spot and they hit it. Okay. Now. I do want to point out one really funny thing here Uh See this guy in the front what would be right our left Of the of the unit look at this guy with the two-handed axes the guy in the front row Left side You see this dude. Yeah, look at his hat. Look at his elbow little chapel. He has a little shrine On his head Not not the backtrack if you scroll to the image above the the the musician did you see his how I like it better the lady But he actually like took the time to paint it like so he's painting miniatures He painted he painted his helmet. Yes Like a person like a little miniature like she has skin tone and colored hair and a dress. Yes When when you when you have uh, when you have a painting painting, uh Contest at five, but you gotta go save the realm at three. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Um, trell tallum said opinions on the paint scheme. Yeah, so this is like that This is a particular paint scheme they've used throughout all of it, which is the red black for the duke of I don't remember who it is, but there's this I know who this is But it's the the lore is just alluding me at the moment someone in the chat I can probably mention if it's it's a particular duke who was pretty who is like the star She's gonna be the influential of this story um So, you know like I love their their goofy hats like these guys have the goofiest of hats And i'm here for it dude has a bore with a sword in it one guy's wearing a representation of the lady He has fully painted Another guy has a tiny little other version of her by the way or something like that you can see shrine head here There's a dragon, you know, the only one I don't like is the the two-handed weapon the far back left corner But just just the bowl that's just like the same size neck. Yeah I'm like, I'm like that looks derpy. I'm gonna put it on it, but it looks derpy Okay, sorry two-headed cap as did they say if this kit was resin or plastic this is a plastic kit Plastic, um, yeah, they confirmed these are the plastic kits new plastic kits So that's uh, the new lord who can be built as the battle standard bearer the duke or the baron and then the knight's the royal one But these are all plastic. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, it's fine. I just with the call out of the um The paint scheme I things like just to call out real quick. People are aware these were in prior articles It's been so long. Um, so it's I understand people forgot Even though it's a unified color scheme from plutonians They said you can still do the old style mix and match do whatever you want entirely I mean, we can always do it anyway, but they said that's still in the lore. So you're not Doing going against anything. Um, also Vince I like to you said that your army is ready to go and I'm sure someone out there's going. Oh, no, the base sizes are increasing Sure, but they even said in prior article if you and your local group Don't change your base size the rules still work Right, right. So you're you're all good to go the only time and you need to worry about a base size is if We're gonna go to an official, uh Warhammer, I guess run events, uh, or or even not the official warhammer Just like a competition where they want to do base sizes and use so, you know, if you're just playing locally at home You're good to go day one. I'm I'm gonna have actually I'm I'm gonna make a separate army That's that base size because I think some of my group isn't gonna upgrade their base size so I can play I can play everything Yeah, yeah, don't don't feel I just want to put that out there So no one's confused is like like, oh, I have to paint my plutonians unified now. You do not you have fun And you know, let me tell you chuck about the other thing I'm actually really excited about with this plastic kit and they they mention it here we get and like look Modern sculpting is what it is. We've achieved some incredible things with a os models But god knows like when I put together those like I just did my brute reka's Right for my iron jaws and when you build those guys, it's the it's the classic like This part of an arm then this arm and part of a shoulder and a quarter of the back And then this part of the torso, you know what I mean? It's like It's completely nonsensical, but what the various pieces are they only fit together in the exact sort of ways, right? And whereas this kit is exceptionally flexible as the heads and arms can be used on any torso We have the classic torso arm arm legs head legs design Thank you like great Great meaning you can just like Build instructions. What are those put them to the side, baby? You know what a torso is You know what arms are get the thing out put the models together how you like No, too, you know too blessed to be stressed like I love it I'll also too just I think back like I started in fantasy days. So that was what I had So I learned to kit bash by just doing those basic swaps. It was easy and now I'll take a tech list I'll take anything and I'm just like cool. Let's take a let's cut it up I'm confident with that. But now if someone's new getting into it not having that They don't know where to begin to they're you know, it's I'm glad that there's some form of this even if it's obviously in a different game system, but The newer hobbyists their first kit bash is going to be a head swap or a weapon swap. So like good I'm okay if there being some of both in this world Yep Yep, so so great stuff. Okay. So now We have it says four beloved regiment kits are meanwhile returning to the fray. Okay. So this is our now we've moved into the Returning kits that we're still like the they were existing kits. They're still here. Dakota H says now that's something I can get behind Any arm anybody? I agree Dakota like a thousand percent. Yes. Like my god. Am I over the Fiddly, how is this spruce liked in a million ways if you make but I bring this tree lord I bring this back up. This is the worst version of that ever I mean, I get it. It looks great, but just like You're looking at random spheres and then suddenly you have a tree guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Yeah, random spheres and all of a sudden tree man. Yeah, yeah Yeah, okay. So our returning kits, um the pegasus knights, which is fine. They were a plastic kit It's fine Like the most important thing about this image is it shows their new base size which from the front It looks to be be the same, but it's longer For whatever reason. Yeah, because they were so I Yeah, now they're now they're a rectangle of some sort. So that's that's probably the more interesting part about this picture Yeah, this is a non-existent Previous base size like this one is actually net new actually it looks a little smaller. Yeah, it looks smaller too Yeah, so I don't I don't know what actually like this this as a base size did not exist in fantasy. So I that's going to be a net new thing Um, I mean these kits are fine. I I have a bunch of them still Like I have a bunch of pegasus knights painted and even more unpainted. I think I have like a dozen unpainted pegasus knights So that's cool. Um Okay, like it's good. It's fine like they're they show their age a lot One of the things that's most sad to me is that we didn't get a full glow up of All of these things. Oh, you know what Keith you might be right. Maybe it is the old demigrypht knight bases Maybe that's not in that new. Huh? I forgot they were on that base shoot Huh, that makes sense monsters cavalry. Yeah, you might be right Keith. You might be right Um, charles says do these rank up? I can't imagine these actually rank up. I think these never Yeah, these never ranked up. They were skirmish until they went into combat. So you just figured it out So they never actually were intended to rank up, right? They were they always had the skirmish formation. Yep Um, so I I assume that will continue Unless you do one giant guy in the front with a longer Flight. Yeah, that's how I had all mine built too at like different heights. They can connect each other if they needed to Um Like yeah, because I had them all on different sized terrain the classic war emmer fantasy I went and bought the columns from the um from wedding toppers, you know, you know, I'm talking about Topper columns went and bought a bunch of those for you know pennies or whatever at the at the the Uh the store and then just cut them sliced them, right? You just like cut them in half and then you have different size uh little little things Um, but yeah, they used to be on squares Uh, okay, so fine. Great. I like this is kind of sad to me. I'll be honest I'm not thrilled about the returning kits. It's fun that I have an army day one But at the same time just like putting this pegasus knight against that new pegasus lord You're just like, oh boy, you know what I mean like Yeah, the difference in the quality of the sculpt is so big I mean even me like I've kitbashed dodge the cane and luminous back to my old high elves and dark elves and I put them in the army I'm just like wow that stands out. Yeah, exactly Whoops Right, right, right, right, right It's the it's the nostalgia the nostalgia in our brain makes it seem so much cooler But like compared to what they can do today. Yeah, but I there's no chance There's no reason why they might not eventually redo them if this game does take off but Still my my big thing with this is I'm hoping on the release of the entire game system All the all the old kits aren't available. Go made to order Yeah, not a mad rush. We we made we made six or seven of these. It's like no made to order It's going to be 90 to 120 days, whatever it is, but you can just order your whole army And just wait no come Agreed and they they talk about that at the end. So okay, so we've got they do yeah So Peggy night's plastic kit obviously returning. So that's another plastic kit. It's an old plastic kit, but it is in plastic So nice the realm classic Again, we've seen these many times before and they've talked about this coming back. So again, this was also a plastic kit It is again. Oh good. Oh, so it's a keep in mind too Especially with these older kits there's a the scale is going to be the same even with the newer kits So you buy those new nights of the realm kit bash in it'll blend things across a lot Yeah, now again, this kit does really much really really really show its age But it's as you can see here. It is still a very pretty kit like it's one of the better older kits It's it's simple. There's nothing flashy. It's doing, but it's like it's fine. It's fine Uh, then we have the men and arms returning So your classic peasants back in the mix Um, again, a perfectly acceptable fine kit nothing specifically wrong with it Um, and on the flip side of those guys the peasant bowman Coming back. So again, both of these were also plastic kits. So um that part of the range This this part of the range all continues to be in plastic It's interesting that when we see the bowman, they're keeping the the flamey arrow coal things and the spikes I mean, it's it's still part of the sprue. So like it's not surprised Why would you why would you throw away plastic? You don't need you just you'd find a reason for it. Sure. Sure Um, so so all of those things stay Uh, and then uh, let's see um The yeah, so yep, okay blah blah blah 32 archers. This is just talking about what's actually in the box Yep, so all the stuff it's basically just updated versions of the old boxes. So good to go new base sizes. Cool great Yep, and then now we get into the resin section. Uh, yeah, they're on 25s now, right? Even they used to be 20s 20s. Yeah Yep um so Okay Then the resin kits. So there's one new resin kit here the handmaiden of the lady Uh, again, I have to say If they can actually just make quality resin, which again, I know when we hear gw and resin We immediately panic Okay, so it's not fine cast, but it's not like if they if they can like I hope this is the chance for them to leave behind The truly pr nightmare they created for themselves with years of fine cast. It is insane to me that they They they ruined people's perception of resin as a as a medium for miniatures with how terrible it was I mean like that is catastrophic like a generation of people all immediately here gw resin Equals garbage just garbage right But I really hope we don't have that with this and that these that they've managed to level them up to like What the modern industry can do with resin because as I've said on the show a hundred times I paint resin models all the time from other producers and you know what they're great. They're good They're clean. They're sharp. They're detailed like you can do it Just like get there if you Like go go into A friend or shop or anywhere you can find and like look at the horse heresy resin Yeah, that is such a good resin I I have a horse heresy army that I paint up and resin kits I've done were fantastic to work with I've also painted fine cast because I think that the handmade in for the high elves that Theron Latham sculpted was amazing. There's no way I wasn't gonna buy it I don't care what it was made out of but you know it's still paying up fine But yeah, it's just you have to be more careful with it Yeah, you have to you have to protect it and baby it but like that's not what this resin is going to be It's not going to cast that there's no way they would go back to fine cast Yeah, it would just be modern resin. It's going to be solid. It's going to be good. There should be no worries Well things break. Sure. But guess what? I have plastic on my desk for a season sigmar and you know any things of those I've already broken Everything breaks. You just fix it. It's but it's it's going to be perfectly fine But I like this new handmaiden always love the handmaidens. They were some of my favorite sculpts I have a bunch of them because I just I really liked painting the handmaids I just thought they were beautiful models. I thought they were some of the most beautiful in the range I love the whole like, uh, sort of lady wizard kind of you know knights king arthur knights the realm thing, right? And uh, this is good as somebody said tactical flower. Yes, french ferret and dakota I do love the tally gotta get her up on something. So yes now she's up on a flower She reminds me of the old high elf who's up on the swirly twirly magic from um, uh the skull pass Box set. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but see to me She reminds me of the old allarial kit or the most recent allarial because she was on top of flowers and like a breastplate Yeah, I do really like too that It's the whole like hindsight 2020 now that we've seen the end times I think the Bretonian stuff's getting more interesting because they're leaning in slightly more to the fact that Hey, the lady is actually An elf god They just don't know it. So like you're seeing that play especially with the other that the handmaiden on the peg It says but I love that we can look back and read readjust things slightly But it still fits and just enhance this without taking Absolutely. Um, so good-looking model Uh, and then of course, this is just the collection of our previously seen resin models. So our Duke or whatever he is on foot who we know is in the launch box the beautiful beautiful, uh, lady elise Dushard On the unicorn like oh my god that model it's still This is still this by the way, I told you that the pegasus lord is like my second favorite of what we've seen This is my favorite this this like, uh, lady elise like man I don't know man, but this thing hit for me like that. This is where it's at. Okay. I She is the model that came out that made me go. Yeah, let me actually consider doing a Bretonian army Why not because like I want to paint her and I've done it for other things The reason I have a silveneth army is actually because I saw the larryl model and I bought and painted it Said well, I should put an army rudder. It's the same thing with this. I'm going to buy that model I can't resist it. So I might as well put some Minute arms and knights of the realm around her too, right? Yep uh, okay So, uh, boy, it's it's been a you know, you know chuck It's been a hot minute since we had stupid little dumb Uh Poor bot spam, but here it is. How about that? Oh boy. Yeah, exactly They must have watched my my review show I put up and it's like, oh, let me just connect this Yeah So, uh, it's fun times. All right So fortunately, that's why we have slow mode on so they can't crazy spam the chat and uh, I can just quickly Shoot him dead. Get rid of it. Uh, so yeah four resin kid heroes Uh, the battle standard bear on foot questing knight paladin with great weapon positively radiant lady At least douchard they'll all be available at launch or shortly after in resin So because I assume this will actually take a few weeks slash months to roll out the whole line Though we know the brets are half of the launch box obviously with the other half being uh, they're classic foe the tomb kings You know who? Just like it's the the unloved children now fighting each other. Um Yeah, I mean, I know why like Those were the two cuts And they've been blended. So that's perfect. That's what people want I mean if you want to do like a true lore you'd probably throw a beastman against them against the plutonium, which would be great We get new yeah, but no no, they made a smart decision business wise and no one's unhappy about it But we can still laugh at what could have yeah, exactly I do love that plutonians are known for above all else fighting weird enemies in a launch box like that's That's what that's what they're known for above everything else Um, by the way, everybody if you haven't hit like yet and you're excited about any of this stuff hit like You know do subscribe do all those fun things click things that make dings. It's a good time uh, all right So great stuff, but it's not the only thing we also have another resin model. Of course everybody's favorite the field trebuchet uh This is still the old model. I'm gonna be honest. This model is crap. This is a fine cast kit. It's a crap model It hit well it like it's bad. I love it. It's cute like it's a cute little thing to put together I love all the little dudes and all the little so many like the little You know the kids sitting on there and just like it's a bunch of like all the little people that are around it are fun But I mean it has it has a dog Has little dogs so that makes it a little bit better. Yeah Yeah, um So like but this is just a terrible kit like it is warpy and bad and all of that so like But you're gonna probably gonna want it in the army. So yeah, I'm sure you will just take it Don't rush building it. Take your time. But in the effort make it make it solid Yeah, now the first thing that hit me chuck when I read through this they were like, this is the line Right last but not least you got the siege engine. Okay And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are we missing here? Okay, so what we're missing is many different kinds of knights, right? So our knights errant our questing knights and our grail knights now the errant were were also plastic because they were they were um Basically built out of the same kid as the knights of realm, right But then your questing knights were were metal slash fine cast and your grail knights were metal slash fine cast right um, and obviously they were they were Rarify you didn't have as many of those in your army, but they were they were still pretty important Like generally you'd want like either a lance of questing or a lance of grail or a lance of both, right? They were they were your hammer. You would just yeah Yes Uh, pager santos. I'm new on this clarify me. Is this for age of sigmar collection or for another thing? Uh, no, this is for the old world Launching in q1 next year, which got confirmed. Uh, yes. Thank you very good desk four said also That's another big one. That is another big one. I was gonna mention. Thank you desk four Uh, no green knight Hmm. Well Trying to think he is an easy add later There's a one off for what he does a hundred percent. He'd be the time to drop in just be like hey, he's here um Okay, alongside these new and returning kits which form the bulk parins or entirety of your force There will thanks for being big Exactly. Thank you. This is the same thing I said There will also be a selection of returning metal heroes and specialist units That will be available to order direct from games workshop.com. So clearly that means We'll have made to order exactly as you said, right for some of these things. So metal heroes and specialist unit does that mean The green knight does that mean the reliquary? Does that mean yeah the knights the the questing knights the grail knights Does that mean that stuff is all stays in metal and is like gonna be in the book and usable? Or is it just you can buy it or is just why not make it if you want to use it as this unit go ahead? Yep. Yep Uh, like, uh, I hate the vagueness in this one. We were so close to having like a real answer Of exactly what's happening here, right? And the problem is this is a vague answer for one army. We have So much more like why right? Why haven't I rebased all of my old army? Like I have plenty of high elves I could that's probably what I'm going to play to start for old world. I could I could take out 3000 points and still have 8000 points left in the old base size the reason I haven't What if they decided to not like because something like this what if they just don't want to use this unit for whatever reason? I don't want to rebase if I rebase things so many times I rebased all my old fantasy stuff to circles and then it went back to squares. So I'm not I'm waiting I I'm hoping I'm hoping before Before the official launch Or at least at at the launch before the official launch be so much better like give us a month ahead of time Here's a pdf Of and it's just a list of the army. Yep, and here's the base size for it Yep That way I know what's in the army. I can start rebasing my old stuff playing to get like, oh, you know what? I want more of this. No, don't I don't need rules. I don't care. I I'll play whatever But I want to know what's in every army and I want to know what their new base size is Yep, that's it all I want right now Yeah, like are you just making those models available so we can buy them if we want them, right? Like hey, you want some grail knights? We'll made to order them, right? Which is fine, by the way Like I have no issue with that. That's a good thing because like I don't know if you've looked recently on ebay what like new old stock inbox grail knights run on ebay, but uh It ain't cheap Okay And so like making those available at retail and stopping scalpers from from selling a bunch of them um I you know like great a plus, you know, but if they're not going to be in the army Like because it says bulk or entirety of your force like if they're going to have entries in the book Then fine Great, okay Interesting like then the majority of a lot of the army might be made up by very ancient sculpts, right? Because we really don't have that much heavy new plastic here um But like if it's in fact going to be That that stuff is just there for your collection if you want to be a collector and get it But it doesn't actually have rules You know, are we Is the specialist game studio studio operating under the same mandate that the the normal studio does because the normal studio Nothing goes in the book. It doesn't have rules Right, but that was not the world we lived in for the majority of our history of fantasy, right? You and I We've converted how many models because there was no model for how I Every every book at three or four. Yep Exactly. You'd have you'd have tons of things in there like the entirety of the doom king's existence We never had giant with with with bow or whatever, right? You know just a ton of things you were you were converting yourself um But are we going back on that? Are these things going to have rules? But then you have to make to order them like uh I'm Like they got so close to giving us really all the details because I read through that and I was like, okay That's a much reduced line Like when I read through the article the first time I was like, okay, that's a much reduced line, right? We lost all those things you mentioned green night reliquary questing nights rail nights, right? But it's still the bulk of betonia like it's recognizable as betonia, right? I've got some some interesting new characters. I've got some Uh, you know, I've got I've got I've got my nights, you know, you've got your classic nights on horseback You got the new nights on foot some cool heroes Like you got your ladies to cast like yep feels feels like betonia to me, right? Yep and then Then I got to this end part where they decided to all of a sudden be like mysterious again, and I was like come on guys Yeah, we do in here so close, but hey, you know, we got a we got a we got to help out the um The old world content creators like myself. We want to need to speculate, you know I need to I need to figure out what's going on So they give us more stuff to get through to q1 to keep guessing on The the speculation will continue. Yes, that's right. Uh, and you know, realistically we don't have any big convention until lvo Uh, like where we're gonna do a big reveal show Okay, we did it last year at the Finale for the warhammer us open for the year. There was there was a real show So maybe maybe we'll get something there. I now granted. Will it be old world? I don't know sure But I mean they could do whatever they want, but that's I think that's the last chance for a reveal until this probably releases Yeah, yeah and like an lvo like I would hope by lvo We're basically opening the kimono and telling the full story of what's going on here Like that's the end of january Um, if this is really launching in in early 2024 then please by the end of january We better know what's going on with this thing exactly like you said give us the the ravening hordes Give us the pdf the models the base sizes the points, right something like that like like whatever man Give us give us the the the thing so so people can start actually understanding what their army's going to look like What to base them on? What what units are in the army? Yeah, the worst thing the worst thing potential for this game is because there's still going to be people who have played total warhammer 3 And didn't come in for fantasy and there was no way to get it easily or cheap So they probably didn't touch it, but they're interested Yeah If you give us like only a week made to order and you release the rules and everything the same day Those people are going to have zero clue What to do especially to like I've even seen the core rules How do I make an army and how do I buy this stuff that I don't have time like do it? You just smash by everything and guess but no like that's a lot of people will just decide no They'll just jump off right. All right. I just won't drop 500 dollars. I'll do it somewhere else or something Or I'll jump into a was 40k. Hopefully but yeah, yeah Yeah, so there you go. That's it. That was the that was the full show I mean like I don't know. Let's let's sum up here, man. Overall, like I said, I'm still at an eight I think this one was pretty great. A lot of stuff. I'm really excited for Bad Iona's Cripp born model is just incredible the new Belfin or whatever guy is incredible Like the dawn bringers series continues to be good. I think we finally I think they're finally hitting their stride on actually doing these narrative books Because I've liked the dawn bringer books better than basically any of the other narrative series we've seen in aos thus far The mix of like the armies of renown the new models The story is pretty interesting Like this is actually hitting on kind of all cylinders. Obviously, I don't care about path to glory But I'm sure the path to glory people are really excited about this as well So my my only real concern is I enjoyed broken realms, but also it was heavily focused on Marathi and that fun stuff right, you know I that that helped me get more enjoyment made me so it wasn't attached that deeply to that that army But yeah, this they're really hitting a smooth Storytelling transition from flip book to book and it's setting things up nicely My only real concern is you know as we ultimately probably move into the new edition as we're all predicting because of the flow of business um Please don't just not write these for another three years Yeah, like I I know it's I know it's harder and I don't and the thing is to it. I don't really need rules I mean, I'm a narrative gamer rules are fun and I know rules sell it like Give me narrative stuff not just on a war crime article All right, give me narrative just in the last year of the dying embers of the edition Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean sure when you're when you're at the end of the edition You want to crank things up to 11 just make a little bit wacky sure Let's fine that have fun with that but give me something steady throughout. So I know what's going on like, okay These we have these two Dawn bringers grow out there. He said one's gonna fail once in a feed. I said my guess Okay, well, I don't want to wait three years to figure out what happens to this one that succeeded Tell me what's going on of it in sort and not through random battle tone x Yep, like I don't I don't want to have to buy Fleshy to court's battle tone to figure out that oh that dawn bringer was overrun by Nagash Yeah, yeah, that's don't do that. Right. Yeah, give us give us actual advancement in the story Yeah, agreed 100. All right. Well, what did you all out there think? Hey, give us what you think drop it in the comments. Uh, what are you excited for? What did you think was a miss? What do you think it's just meh? Uh, if you haven't hit like yet, hey do that subscribe do all those things We'll be back every week as always talking on wednesdays That will still happen But thank you all of you who showed up today to talk about this pretty exciting reveal So hope you all enjoyed it as well. Chuck. Thank you very much, sir Thank you for having me on always fun to be on Absolutely. So yeah hit all those things that make all those things we really appreciate it And uh as always We'll see you next wednesday