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Published on Apr 2, 2012
Jct: During the Toronto Danforth federal byelection, at the Applegrove debate, I bet $100 Mann-Made Global Warming is a lie and temperature went down. At the Don Mills Debate, I bet again and Green candidate and climate critic Adriana Magnutto-Hamu took my bet and tried to explain what decline they were really hiding. Either we have a live debate where the loser picks up the tab for the hall or we can have an online debate with duelling documents. Stay tuned at http://facebook.com/john.turmel Index of videos at http://johnturmel.com/kotp.htm What she said: "I took your bet. I also want to point out that John is deeply mistaken about what "hide the decline meant." It's funny. People think that "hide the decline" means that there's a decline in temperature. That isn't actually what they were referring to.They were actually talking about, and I know this because I'm the climate change critic for the Green Party, what they were referring to was actually a decline in what should have been the temperatures based on the tree ring data. When temperatures were actually going up. That's what they wanted to hide. Because they'd been using tree ring data to recover, and I do think that this is a problem, I do think that it sheds some kind of problem into the science and I am looking into it. But there is a lot of strings that show that climate science is right. But the truth is that what they were looking at was that the tree ring data had been matching, correlating with the temperature for many years, but it was going down in the last 20 years as temperatures were going up. And that's what they wanted to hide. They hid it by, at that point, saying, you know what, we're going to use the real temperatures from now on because we don't trust the tree ring data. That's what they referred to. So you're wrong. And the temperatures are going up." Turmel: You took the $100 bet, we'll have a debate.