 I want to ask you a question, but I'm not sure if I can. Well, the thing is, I don't want you got, you want to ask Jessica a question? No, you, that's what I called in. For me, the thing I'm struggling with, I'm trying to transition from that world into the real world. But it's actually a real struggle for me because I'm used to the fast money, get money fast, spend money fast, live the fast life. Not that I'm moving into the real world, I'm struggling to find a man because I'm actually always nervous that they will find out about my past. How do I navigate that? And what do I do? Do I tell them or do I just keep quiet? Well, if I keep quiet, what if it comes up someday? Okay. So you're transitioning out of sugar baby into you're trying to become a sacramon? Yeah, and I have had some interesting pictures online, but I paid like $20,000 to this company. Okay, I know women who are escorts who are. I know women who are escorts who are actual, well-known escorts who transition. Here's the reality. If you're trying to find a man, a certain amount of means, he's going to do his due diligence on you anyway. You can scrub as much as possible. The thing is, I would say, where are you going? Why do you want what you want and then where are you going to get it? Because that sugar baby lifestyle, that fast money lifestyle is not the same thing. We go find a quote unquote Henry. It's going to be very different. And there are not a lot of suckers out there either. That's what I think a big misperception is that, that you got guys who are making really, really good money and they are not logical men. They know why women are around them. They know, yes. Yeah, and the question is, how old are you? Let's start the, how old are you? I am 27. Okay, and do you want to be a wife? Yes, that's actually my goal before I turned 30. I graduated from grad school last year. Okay, so what kind of wife do you want to be? What kind of wife do you want to be? You want to be a stay-at-home wife? Meaning you don't have to- I want to stay at home when my kids are younger, but when they turn five, I want to go back into the real world. Oh, what do you mean go back into the real world? Work? I want to have a career once my kids get a little older. Career doing what? I studied finance, and I studied entrepreneurship in grad school. So I want to do something. Maybe right now I'm working at a financial company, but eventually I want to have my own business, do my own thing and stuff like that. I will tell you basically when I'm hearing, you're going to have a real hard time. Because one, you come from a sugar baby lifestyle where you're in control of your own, you have a grad degree. Already works against you. And then you say, I want a man who's, and let's be real, you don't want a broke man. You want a man with significant six figures. But yet you still want to be able, but yet you still want to be able to go out and after your kids get school age, you want to go be back out. Those kind of- I want to do that, if my man- Listen, men at that level are not looking for a woman. You have a plan. You want a man to sit in. You want a wife. You're not trying to be a wife. That ain't going to work. That's not going to, and you're 27. And you have this background in risky pictures. No man, no man. The pictures are deleted. I spent $20,000. I don't care if they're deleted or not. The fact of the matter is, man, you cannot, okay, you want the benefits of being a traditional feminine woman in a new masculine role. You want a wife. Why do you want your children, once they're school age, for you to go back and start a career? Why do you want to do that? If you already got a husband that can take care of everything, why do you want to do that? Well, it depends. If I have a husband who can really, really take care of me and the kids and I don't need to work, I am not going to- Why would you marry a man who can't do that and give him kids? No, I said if I find a man who can do that, I will not need to go back to work, but I don't want to give up everything on my power. There you go. There you go. There you go. Thank you. You want to- There you go. Hold on. Hold on. I know what I heard when I heard it. And I'm calling bullshit. You want, you want a fool. No, I just want things on my phone. No, you, no, exactly. That's right. You want things on your term and guess what? If you could have things on your term, you would have had it already because you've already had plenty of high-level men. How come you haven't cashed out before 27? Oh, no, no, no. I don't want to be married to those men. Number two, most of them were older, like in the 50s and 60s. Who the fuck do you think makes this kind of money, ma'am? What? 20 year olds? See, this is- Okay, cool. This is what I'm talking about, the delusional woman. See, the world can have these, but we can't have them acting like this. This is fucking delusional. You want a complete total package, then you want the ability to go squirt out some kids, then you want to go right back in the corporate world because at the end of the day, you don't want to really rely upon a man, depend upon a man. You want to control all the cards and the guys that I know will stay away from you. They spot you coming and you'll think they're not messing with you because you were a sugar baby, because you had risque pictures. No, they're not going to mess with you because you're a bad bet. I am not a therapist and I can tell all kind of shit is wrong with this. There's no way in the hell I would justify having any guy that has any kind of means to touch you because you don't want to be married to be a wife. You want to be married. No, no, no, no. Stay in the sugar baby world, stack your money and get you a boy toy because to get a real masculine provider, provider male, you're looking for a sucker, a beta male provider. Don't deal with those. Okay, so what do you think I should walk on to get to my goals? Why do you think so little of men? My thing is, why do you think so little of men? Well, what I have experienced with them that my experiences have made me think so little of them because I've seen what they've done behind it. Okay, leaving their wives and children at home coming to see someone lying to their families and all those things. I have been the woman on the other side and I have experienced it. So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, yeah. One, why were you dealing with sugar daddies like that? Why was I dealing with them? Because money. Right, so Jessica, I'll put you on mute because I want to have this conversation. Yes, but you have the right of refusal. Yet you chose to deal with sugar daddies to lack character because of the money. Most men that get in this hobby like that. No, ma'am, that is not true. No, ma'am, that is not true. No, ma'am, that is not true. No, ma'am, no, ma'am, no, ma'am, that is not true. No, ma'am, that is not true and I'm not going to let you put that bullshit out here about most men, those men that you decide to work with. I know too many guys that are not this way and when I was out there, I wasn't this way. You took the highest bidder and you didn't worry about character. So don't pretend to try to make character an issue now when you were involved in adultery, when you were involved in being a mistress, the nerve of you. But let me go ahead and move on to the next subject. Because of the men you've chosen to interact with, what kind of therapy have you actually gotten on an individual level? I'm actually going right now. I have been going for six months now. Good, good. And one thing I realized is that I had a lot of study issues. I guess that's why I was very attached to most of them. I was using them to fill that whole gap and I'm realizing that now. But in a few years, I actually want to move on to the next chapter of my life. Stop right there, stop right there. Stop right there, stop right there, stop right there. Let me get, let me get, I need you to focus on what I'm about to say, right? Okay. Okay. You don't get to put a clock on this. You are 27. You have daddy issues and you've only been in counseling for six months. You don't get to say in two years, I'm ready to move on. You're ready to move on when you work the process. If it's two years, it's two years. If it's 15, it's 15. But at the end of the day, the woman that's on this phone right now, you have a negative opinion of men and no man deserves to have to deal with a woman like that. Especially a man with resources. Again, ma'am, if you're in, again, ma'am, I want you to listen to what I'm about to say. If you are in therapy for the last six months, you, one question I asked you, you did not take accountability. I asked you, why did you choose to deal with men who upfront you knew what they were, married, whatever, whatever. You could have chosen to say, I don't deal with guys like that. I only deal with unmarried men. You could have chosen that, yes? Married men are more generous. I didn't, right. So the question, the answer is, so ma'am, but the direct answer is yes, I could have chosen to deal with non-married men, but married men are more generous. Is that a yes or no question? Yes. Right, so you chose to deal with married men, yes or no? I chose, yes. Okay, then stop sounding like you have a moral high ground when you chose to deal with a married man. I mean, I'm not saying I have a high moral ground. I'm just saying my experience and this is what my experience was. You chose your experience, ma'am. You chose your, yeah, I chose my experience. So why, if it was, my question is this, ma'am, my question is this really, if ultimately you knew one day you wanted to get out of this game, you chose to mess around with married men, knowing it was having, when you could have chose to take less money and deal with unmarried men, you chose the money. You're a horror story waiting to happen because it's all on the men. Come back and listen to this show. I'm not even looking in the comment section. Come back and listen to this show. It's all been on the men. Your negative impact, your negative impression of men is because of your experience with men, but you are 100% in control of who you decide to interact with. No one put a gun to your head and said you had to go with married men. No one. What you're really afraid of, honestly, is one, daddy issues too, you're afraid of that karma and chickens coming home to the roots. You're afraid that you get with one of these provider kind of men and then some new young sugar baby is gonna be fucking and sucking your boyfriend, your husband on the side. That's why you wanna go back to work because if you find that out, it happens. You wanna run his ass through the family court system, take all his shit and still have some of your stuff to go with. You are a problem. I was nowhere in the hell I would recommend any of my guys get anywhere near you. You're fucking nuclear Chernobyl disaster. Stay in counseling, leave good men to fuck alone. You don't qualify for one. From your own moral choices. All right. We all have to deal with what we have to deal with and see if there were men on the other side, I would tell them a similar thing, but you don't get to just decide to shake it all off and then to expect to go get a upstanding man. No, it's not how that works, man. So that's not how that works. No, but who goes to you for being in therapy? Stay in therapy, work the therapy and then when you are really ready to take accountability for yourself and your choices and you can say, yeah, then you'll be more likely, you'll be more capable of finding something that's going to be fulfilling to where you won't need a plan B or an exit strategy. So do you think if I reach that place mentally and emotionally, should I be honest about the past or should I just keep it to myself? Oh, I would say be honest. Honesty always works. We live in a connected digital world. And here's the thing, you'll be amazed. Many guys, come on. If you're a beautiful woman, guys expect beautiful, powerful men. If you're a beautiful woman, guys expect powerful men, men with resources to be around you. It's not uncommon, but you're judging it harshly. I would say you're judging it harshly in large part due to your current mind state. Give it some time, man. You're 27, you've only been in six months. Give it a couple of years. And then you'll come back and you may realize that I look at this completely different. You're still too new for you right now, okay? Okay, I will give that a shot. Thank you. All right, bye-bye. Hey guys, whether look, style or life, whether personal or professional, you can level up and be your personal best each and every day. If you're interested in any of that, do us both a favor. Follow the link in the description and book your one-on-one session with me. Details down in the description. Peace.