 Welcome back to the Sports Magnet Zone just three days after recording a sensational victory. The West Indies suffered a six-wicket loss to England in the second one-day international played on Wednesday to leave the three-matt series tied at one apiece. In the day-night encounter played at the Sir Vivian Richard Stadium in North Sound and Tiga and Barbuda. The Windy Centre-Bat were dismissed for 202. Skipper Shayhope again fired with a knock of 68. He was supported by Shervin Rutherford who contributed 63 a maiden ODI house century for the 25-year-old that coming in a 129-run fifth-wicket stand. England in reply got to 206 for four, opener Will Jack stopped scored with 73, Guiney's Goethe-Keshmoyte bagged 2 for 34 while there was a wicket apiece for Rutherford and Romaria Shepherd. Both teams will now turn their attention to Saturday's series decider at the Kensington Oval in Barbados. We are joined by cricket analyst Fazir Mohamed and Fazir Mohamed who spoke about consistency when we had that conversation on Tuesday. Nothing consistent about the West Indies top-to-middle order 23 for four and from there the writing was pretty much on the wall after Sam Koran had ripped through the main batsman. Indeed it was and you could almost say England was the same because Ramassan Koran conceded nearly 100 runs the most by England, Borland and ODI and that was on Sunday and then he was the man of the match yesterday but you know I think it was the late great Tony Cosier who coined the phrase about the West Indies in that latter period when he was suddenly passed away in 2016 that the West Indies have been consistently inconsistent and if you look at the West Indies performances from the start of that qualifying campaign for the World Cup when the West Indies failed to make it through at that point they won two matches in a row then lost then tied a match they eventually lost in the Super Rover they lost one lost lost one lost one lost so that tells you that basically the performances we've seen so far have been true to form spectacular one day ordinary the next and now we left guessing as to what's going to happen on Saturday. Yeah when you look at the second Vande International and specifically the batting now do you feel it was a matter of approach or did England just bowl significantly better so take for example someone like Alec Athenez who came out blazing in the first one day International seemed quite timid in the second ODI. Well credit to England we need to also recognize that they bowled a lot better and yes there might be a level of of timidity in that sense from Athenez but you have to give them credit because current bowl superbly bowl a proper line across the right handers got the wickets and so on the West Indies though again the fact of the matter is that you look at the numbers especially the experienced players even though they're not so experienced players they have performances that tell you that consistency remains the challenge and therefore with the exception of course notably of the captain Sheho with that half-century to follow up the match winning hundred that until and unless these players batting bowling and fielding improve their game to the level where it becomes almost a given that they're going to make a decent contribution you're never going to have 100 success that's impossible until and unless these players reach that level as far as their temperament their technique their levels of awareness at the highest levels of the game we're going to have these situations what to me was particularly galling about yesterday's performance after that century stand was how quickly the West Indies folded and the manner in which they folded because it's one of the cardinal sins to not use up your full allotment of overs whether it be T10 whether it be T20 whether it be 50 over a side and to be dismissed in the 40th over leaving 10 overs unused and again to add to that the manner in which those wickets went down I think again it reflected that that failure to appreciate the circumstances in which they were in yes speaking of the matter of not using the full allotment of overs fans we've seen this so consistently with the West Indies team is it an inability to assess the format and how to approach batting 50 overs as opposed to 20 25 30 35 and 40 indeed and and and this is something that again in the same way that I referenced a feeling and fitness and sharpness in the field as being non-negotiable surely you you're playing at an elite level I'm tired of hearing but you know the young you know the inexperience we've been seeing that for nearly 30 years through different different periods the fact of the matter is if you're playing at international level you should be able to appreciate your circumstances that you're in because you would have experienced it at the lower levels and you would have been able to come through it and therefore at the higher level of the game surely you appreciate when you're going into bat if the West Indies would have lost two or three early wickets that you need to consolidate having done so and maybe another wicket or two goes down the lower order recognize that look there are a lot of overs available okay maybe we not we not get a whole heap of boundaries but surely there is the recognition that by playing sensibly you should be able to pick up three four five runs over with a bit of luck the odd boundary that is about awareness I don't think it really requires any particular levels of genius to appreciate that situation yeah and faz you speak about the experienced players stepping up and for me one such player will be shimmering admire he has showed us what he's capable of but I feel like we didn't get that from him for this series so far yesterday of course dismissed for zero and it's about time that shimmering admire shows that level of desire and commitment representing the West Indies we all know about the issues from last year with the world the 20 where he was supposed to board the plane he didn't we all know about the issues previously over the previous couple of years where he didn't meet fitness requirements although he was starring for for Rajasthan in the Indian Premier League and seemed to be enjoying that environment but if he wants to play for the West Indies you have to perform this is a time yet again where we find ourselves in a situation where the West Indies have to rebuild and it's not good enough to simply say well things didn't work out today or better tomorrow let's put that in the past the fact of the matter is given his experience a leader of the West Indies under 19 team that won the World Cup against India of all teams in 2016 making a senior international debut just a few months later against Pakistan so seven years hence there should be no talk about feeling his way and getting back a tune to what is required this is the highest level of the game this is international cricket and whether it be Shimron, Hepmaya, whether it be Alzari Joseph also a member of that team Kasey Kati who continues to struggle to really get the ball of the square and score at a runner ball it's unacceptable that we should be having these discussions about players who've been around and about for such a long period of time yeah for sure he really needs to step up and we're hoping that we can see that from him in this third ODI. Faz what about the innings from Sherfinn Rutherford how he was able to really you know get us to some respectable total alongside the captain Shay Hope what did you make of that innings well given the way that he generally bats in the T20 format you're almost waiting for him to give it away and I thought he curved that instinct very well yes he had that spectacular start first ball he hit the six in the first match on Sunday but then was out not thinking hitting into the wind caught on the boundary just two balls later which didn't help his side thankfully the Westings were able to win with Shay Hope and Romario Sheppard with that excellent partnership and again credit to Rutherford for recognizing his role in a situation of 23 for four that is not the time for big shots and he was aware of the situation yes eventually he fell for 63 you would have liked to see him go on and that's another thing when you are in a situation of 129 odd 153 odd for four another week it goes down another two and England are back in control as we saw so that's why it's a very difficult situation but credit to him for having recognized the situation played his part in a sentry stand and you again you really want to see him you want to see Athanas you want to see Brandon King you want to see Carti hit by all the names with the exception of course of Shay Hope as I mentioned already you want to see them recognize what playing at the highest level is all about and what representing the West Indies is all about yes as on Sunday we saw the West Indies captain Shay Hope become the 11th player from the Caribbean to reach 5000 runs in one day international cricketers opposite number just Butler becoming the fifth Englishman to 5000 runs in one day international cricket yesterday um of note though Butler's 5000 run mark coming up in his 153rd game with 114 games for Shay Hope but a quick word on the England captain who has really struggled in recent times but coming good yesterday indeed and he's had a really terrible time and the fact is that he has been the captain of a poor England team in defense of the World Cup yet he's maintained and indeed he said it yesterday after the match speaking to Samuel Badri that he believes he's a better player than that and his number showed that and he was able to deliver with that 58 not out yesterday so credit to him it might be a bit of a surprise that only five England batters have gotten beyond 5000 runs in one day international cricket but that often reflects the nature of English cricket where they're chopping and changing and making so many different exciting so many different options along the way but for England now with their captain getting some runs and maybe some greater confidence with it they'll be going into Barbados which is popularly known as Little England for that match on Saturday afternoon thinking that it's almost a home fixture for them so they'll feel very comfortable in that environment in Kensingtonville and therefore it's up to the West Indies to rise to that challenge yeah I'm curious fans because in the aftermath of a terrible World Cup for England they have kept faith with 33 year old Joss Butler as captain in a phase that they consider to be a rebuilding phase for the next World Cup but come the next World Cup Mr Butler will be 37 year old my new just one year younger than Darren Bravo will be at that time but he's the man who is leading the charge with the youngsters at this stage at the beginning of the rebuilding process your thoughts and that would have to be a discussion that would have taken place with those are the helm of English cricket Rob Key the the man in charge as to whether or not they see Joss Butler whether he gets to the World Cup or not as the man to continue to lead England remember there's the World T20 coming up where England are also the defending champions will it be a disastrous defense we'll have to wait and see in six months time in the Caribbean and the USA but unlike the Bravo situation and I am totally in disagreement with your point of view on Rob and I'm happy to admit and I agree that I think this time is passed as far as being ready for a next World Cup but that's another discussion the fact of the matter is England have decided that Joss Butler for better or for worse is the man to rebuild the England team from the ashes of the World Cup and only time will tell if they're correct yeah I'm glad you went there first because my own thoughts on the on the Bravo situation it's not necessarily about getting to the next World Cup I believe that he still has a lot to offer and even if that ends up being two or three years if he is good enough now to help the team to win and to create a winning momentum then I think you still select him because I don't believe like Desmond Haynes said in February that we're at a stage where we have the luxury of not selecting our best players because we feel oh you're a little bit too old or you won't be around in three or four years time I hear you on that and indeed you could go through the list of statements from from Desmond Haynes to find a litany of contradiction so I get you on on that one the selection of Q on Otley just one year younger than Bravo again confounds and by the way Shane Dorwich at 32 years old out of the wilderness exactly so again contradictions are plenty but in West City's cricket we seem to have a major problem with planning and planning properly hence the inconsistency even there in the selection process if to go with your point Bravo does well against England against whoever next year but but then runs runs into a poor patch basically what you now have to do is to get another player into that spot get them attuned get them ready and indeed get them in a position where they can make a contribution to qualify for a welcome so I'm not dismissing your point about his success in the regional Super 50 and what you can contribute right now my point is that West City's cricket have failed abysmally over successive World Cup cycles successive tournaments to plan properly we had the Chris Gale foolishness of 2019 where after that abysmal World Cup showing he was still in the West City's 118 with obviously no no no recognition that there was no way he would have a chance of playing in 2023 so again as a selector you have to make tough decisions but it's about communication a Bravo alluded to the fact that no one told him anything surely it was up to the chairman of selectors not to pass the word on to somebody else go and talk to Bravo or something it's your duty yours uh Robyn Powell a phone call as well unacceptable the fact of the matter is you need to communicate with players why they are being left out what is the rationale the player may disagree and I'm sure they disagree but at least you've done the right thing by communicating with the individual yeah there are many points of what you just said that I completely agree with fuzz but there is one particular point that I don't agree with and I think we all know what that particular point is so we can leave it there for today as usual fuzz it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you and we'll chat again and hopefully the West Indies can find their good side and clinch the series in Barbados on Saturday take care thank you all right let's go to a break we'll go back with more on the sports max zone