 Hi, this is Sapin Bhartian. We are here in Prague Czech Republic and today we are talking to John from own cloud So John first tell us a bit about you know for how long have you been involved with the own cloud? I just want to know thanks for having me. Yeah, I've been with I'm glad now for three years been super interesting times of The project is moving forward quickly and we're on my opinion for course doing a great job I mean I have been covering own cloud for day one when it was announced But if you look at own cloud today, what is your core focus or what is your product own cloud is a Enterprise file sync and share solution that you usually host on premise We deliver the software for enterprise customers. We have some additional features which Needed and enterprise environments Regularly, what is file sync and share so how different is it from Dropbox or Google Drive or in this case? we're quite similar to Dropbox or Google Drive Yeah, you usually in your company or organization you host own cloud as a server and connect your employees or People with their respective clients mobile and desktop to the server and they can sync Files to the server and also share it with each other. This makes collaboration very easy we also offer integrations for Collaborate online office or only office Where people can simultaneously work on? Office documents spreadsheets Word documents, whatever and Do that all in the web browser and you have one centralized location and This is really the great benefit. You don't have to trust your company data with a third party service provider like Microsoft or Amazon you are actually under control of your data That's that's a great point. I think about on cloud. So it's basically you you're running Dropbox on your own servers. We have total control over you know what that's that's more or less like red. That's more or less Like right. We're better than Dropbox. Yeah, of course. Yeah So so from your perspective What is the core? I mean you did touch upon some But what is the core advantage or benefit of having own cloud versus using proprietary technologies? Okay, I think the the biggest thing is security Data security data integrity If you host the files on on your premise with an open-source software that is reviewed by thousands of people You know that this Software can't be flaky. There can't be any leaks leaking your data to potential competitors to Intelligence agencies from foreign foreign countries We have a great customer like Airbus and they Really rely on open-source technology for their informational security. I think that's that's the biggest advantage Then another big point is flexibility Own cloud is open-source. So if we and we integrate really well with existing infrastructures usually large organizations Have grown over a longer period of time. There's a vast amount of infrastructure and own cloud really connects to when well Windows Network Drive to Dropbox Google Drive name it whatever you would need to your LDAP user provider You can integrate two-factor authentication. There's there's a vast amount of Additional features and integrations which the open-source technology of own cloud enables you to implement and To get running really quick. So what is privacy? Privacy is the biggest thing about own cloud there's no need for own cloud if you're not concerned about privacy, but For for example, if you have trans national collaboration in between or in one company with several branches across the globe you want to make sure that the location of the data is in each country where You know the laws and regulations and For example a judge in the US can't Make you give him the data that is located in Europe. This would be not not allowed from European law from US law. It might be different and Own cloud with its decentralized Setup and architecture allows you really to create an own cloud for your European branch for US branch and we have a feature with federated sharing so you could share files with your colleagues in the US, but the original data remains in its location in Europe and data privacy is The biggest thing even if you host data on In the cloud with with third-party service providers Even if it's encrypted they still can you know get meta meta data From your transfers and Do whatever they want to When you talk about federated in all those features, so let's say if you look at a big organization You know most of the organizations are not limited to one region. You know, they may have offices in the US Maybe in China, maybe in Germany, maybe in France, maybe in UK. So after Brexit, you know So now you are dealing with different regions. They have different, you know So so does it also allow an organization to restrict or access to data from different regions also? Yes, there's also a feature that we call Firefirewall we could Access for for instance by IP address But you can also of course restrict access by users if you know this user is with organization a in the UK after the Brexit and he's not allowed to Have access to to certain fires anymore. You can just restrict it with group policy Because even if you mentioned you know the different countries No But if your organization is based out of one region then you're stuck But this allows you to still restrict because once the data is in that region now you're subject to that law, right? Yes, yeah, okay now People sometimes they blend security and privacy together. Mm-hmm. What is your opinion about that? Is it two different things or same thing? I think there's there's two things. There's a data privacy and this is something that really concerns Myself personally, I don't want to Have a large Company more or less know everything about me like like Google does Obviously, and they have awesome services. No matter what but I don't think that there's a worldwide legislation yet that can Regulate such and powerful player And data privacy is one point of this data security Is another point and then that this is something where I think if you rely on third-party services like Google Dropbox, whatever nobody can guarantee that my Data is not altered there software security. I think the open source product and the open source development model has shown that open source products are The way to go if you want to have The right amount of security the highest amount. There is no right amount There's only the highest amount of security for for your software Basically 97% of the internet runs on open source web service This is the development model where Thousands of people actually look at the code review it We have a bug boundary program also. So if people find Mistakes They get a word awarded by us and we pay them. I think up to $5,000 Software and there will always be vulnerabilities and bugs No matter what but I As soon as they are Exposed exposed people start working on it and they can only start working on it because the source code is open Yeah, and open source project are known for fixing them quickly than proprietary company. Okay, long That's you when you're like having concerns before we start recording you talked about the The cloud policy or something that is happening between us and Yeah, the cloud acts as super interesting It actually says that if you run a business in the u.s. And You might even have a separate entity in Europe And us judge can rule anytime to get the data from from the location overseas I think that's scary enough and Being you know painting a little bit the devil on the wall, but just last week I President Trump said Okay, let's investigate if we shouldn't Raise the taxes on cars from foreign countries because it's a matter of national security And if you can do that for cars, which you know Has no informational benefit or whatever he can of course do that for for data and especially data From from companies and we know that they have been doing this in the in the past and Protecting your company's data should be the highest Go of any CIO these days More and more applications are getting containerized. Yeah So what is your strategy towards making own cloud? Deployment and management more agile and you know more fitting into the DevOps movement is going on Yeah, I'm clouds itself the on cloud developers are big Fans and contributors to the DevOps movements We our developers maintain several projects in this area traffic And several others There's stuff going on and then from the development model We started working now with CERN together on a new front end which will completely be Decoupled from the back end So you can this makes deployments a lot easier for huge instances You don't have to have You can just it's really easy. It's getting fun and what we did in the last two years actually was modular rising on clouds. We started two years ago the on cloud core was a big huge monolith and We are taking features out making them smaller And making the core smaller to have really just the core It's it's a server and I have every single out else single feature I'll add it to it and this really makes us more agile we can Release new features bug fixes Even security patches, let's be honest In a more quickly manner because we don't have to always release than the six seven million lines of code That on cloud consists of We provide a docker image ourselves that we also provide to our customers, which really makes deployment so much easier and for future proofness Modularizing the stuff is also going to be about storage and I think storage is a topic of the next It's a big topic right at the moment. I mean there's Performance, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but storage is that what costs companies really money and We're working also together with the CERN who provide the EOS storage at the moment to have a future proof way of connecting any kind of storage If it's the EOS storage of CERN or S3 or any other kinds There's a lot of stuff in the pipeline now. I've seen like storage IO Which is super interesting and this is storage is that would cost money So you are here the open Suzy conference. What are you doing here? On cloud sponsors the open Suzy conference. We're happy to do that. There's big ties between Susan on cloud since the beginning We, you know hand-around developers quite a lot and Yeah, we have a big tie to the open Suzy community are proud to sponsor here and It's for me. It's a good opportunity meeting old friends talking to people seeing what's going on also seeing on what's going on there in the open Suzy world and Yeah, that's about it. And also drinking a lot of open Suzy beer. Of course Okay, John. Thank you so much for talking to me today and hopefully we'll catch up with you again in future with some open source event Definitely. Definitely. Thank you for having me