 We will make sure this event is seen and it is not good to have something good like this and it is not seen or known. So we want to thank you for that and we want to assure you time to time we will be calling you for this kind of arrangement. It is an exercise that is now going on and giving our members money in terms of royalties and according to the report that you have noted actually from them they are so much happy for what they are getting and we have said this will be a grand deal thing. We have said this distribution will run from this month to March so that every member comply with the distribution rule because we cannot pay just carelessly aimlessly they have to produce the required details for them to be paid. So for those who have not cleared with that we are also appealing to them to come to our office and have their details ready with us. Every member we will get is rightful share our members being 16,000 of them we are going to make sure they are happy. Ini kumansi ya kwamba miziki wa keno ya na perwa sani wa keno ya maza kuku appreciated na perwa maza kwa supported. Wa sani wa keno ya kwa sasa okiona wamekuja na wana tanbasa wana kuma anisha sasa wana furaiya matundaya muziki wao. Beleni. Muli kwa muna skia wengini wana sema tunapata kitukidogo, wana shia kwa mindiya, leoi najiwa wale wata shia kwa mindiya, akuna mutu wata shia kitukidogo, akuna elipumbili, akuna miambili, akuna miasita, watu akuna checksinononono, na wale wana pata pesa kwa empesa wana pata pesa nononono. Kwa evo akuna memba watu wata moja, wakiwa 16,000 wale tunapatiya, tunapatiya pesa ya haibu, sisi tunawanjali, tunawapenda, tunataka pesa wakuenayo. Na kupata pesa mifukoni mo ni kuma nisha tunakolekti mo. And to collecti mo it is the environment being enembled well. So it is now when we are husking this to the government, to konashida ya enforcement. You want enforcement because when we have this enforcement, we will collect mo and mo we will go to the pockets of musicians. Now on the 15th or 14th of January this year, of course the CEO posted the money available is 20 million, lakini me sumo watu wana pata checkinonono. Lapda ila bada ila kwa 20 million a mazumionge zeka pakatikati? Ya, that's a good question. You see a collection it is in Guaranto and we are collecting every now and then. So what we want to do actually, it is to make sure our members are well in your militant. That's in the matter 20 million, 25 million, 30 million. We want to ensure even 100 million, even 200 million we are ready to pay it on this tribute. So the issue of what the CEO announced that time and what we will do actually our aim is to re-numerate them very well. So it will do more than that. Thank you Mr Chairman. What is MCSK doing differently from other years bio in Afanya, Lapda, wasani sasaivi wana furahia kaziya? You see the most important thing it is that we have a very vibrant CEO and when you have and go to see your manager, even in your house when the manager is well, you expect everything to move well. Dr. Ezeke Limoto is very competent and he knows his duties. He works well. He mingos well with the musicians and the musician loves him. They also like what we are doing as a board and as the chair of the board. They love us because we care them. We listen to them and we want them to live well. So the secret it is we listen to them and we are wishing them well and we want them to get what is rightfully theirs to their pockets. So I think the secret it is because of what they see has for them. No problem Mr Chairman. Can you go to Lapda, still on Mr Chairman. Sorry, sorry. Maybe it kizungumziya hella, hivileo Mr Chairman meza kupiana hella. Lapda the highest msani amepata hella angapi. Lapda uneza kumitajama, labda uneza piya kosa, lakini tumbe amepata labda hella angapi. Kulingana na videtu mefanya imekuwa ni wazi. Mumeona kuna yulia mepata 715. Iwa chekitu mepeyana. Kenyan. Iza pamblisha iriblisent so many musicians and especially here and outside like Tanzania. That is a pamblisha. We have also someone like Otilem Brown. Isn't it? Otilem Brown got over 100. That was and I think it was 120. There are those who got 100, 950, 60. There are those who will also get 10,000. The reason is why I'm saying this can't be equal. It is because kila moja kazi ya kene trofauti. Na unalipu kulingana na vidi iako. Sinikweli. Yulia me tiya vidi sana atapata sana. Yulia njatiya vidi sana atwazi wa toshanisha. Yes, and I also want you to note that we have two categories of distribution. We have a general distribution and we have this scientific distribution. What we have done today is scientific. That's why you see some is getting trained, another one is getting 100 based on their play and it's bidi on Ifaña. General distribution actually it is whereby every member, as long as you are a member you will get something at least minimum and the minimum kila mutu atapata minimum amuzuri, pesa amuzuri. Yes. Today we are seeing that the people who attended the event are mostly gospel artists. There is that conclusion that people are coming to that MCSK has a better relationship with the gospel artists more than the secular artists. Are you of that view? Let me say you cannot choose you are friends, you cannot choose people who are coming, you cannot choose whatever. I may say that a secular and gospel musician when you check the data and data you will find the ratio it is like 7 to 3 that is out of 10. So you will see that gospel musician many and they don't come because they are the one who loves us most. It is because sometimes when you call them they will come. We have seen some checks calling for checks and we are taking them back for them to come to the office. The majority of the checks that we have called was from the secular site. So we invited everyone and we made sure that the ratio and the categories are well represented. So there is a program that is available to the gospel to the community and to the MPD and to the community to see what is going on. I will tell you what is going on. The people who are coming to the church to see what is going on and what is going on businessmen but I want to tell you that we need to make sure that this program is available to the community but now I want to tell you that we need to make sure that the people who are coming to the church to see what is going on and to see what is going on and to see what is going on and to hear that meaning that we are serious in business. Yk. We have to play Molo Kuon content. maa kwa mua nila. 757,000 kwa hansi mwahanan. mwahanan, Tanzania, mwahanan, Platinam, Zabron, Saedboni kwa mwahanan, mwahanan, maa mwahanan. Mwahanan nilisikwa. Mwahanan, uzuha kwa mweni, kwa mwahanan, kwa mwahanan, ... and learn from them. Then they can menda the young people. So going forward, we are going to encourage the compliance ... with the local content quota. It's supposed to be 85 per cent by now. We must love our music, we must love our artists. We are the customers. While I'm challenging the artists themselves ... to align themselves to the market ... and look at the demands and the dynamics ... of the demands of the consumer, ... it's also important for us to have a role ... and the intention about playing local music. We have brought even members of parliament. We have really pleaded with Moshmua and she has been here since morning because we also want them to understand the environment so that when in parliament they make laws that will assist us to resolve these issues so that Kenyans consume more local content, they buy local music and they consume local music. Moshmua, do you support that? Of course 100% because myself I have been a recording artist so I know the hustle that musicians go through to get their art out there and for us as parliament we must have a commitment to ensure that we have the proper and right legislation in place that will enable the Kenyan music industry to thrive. We have countries like Algeria which are collecting around 10 million euros per quarter. That is where we want to get because at the end of the day it is about the artist getting money and that must be the focus for all CMOs whether it is MCSK, whether it is Kamp or Prisk the focus must be to ensure that the artist gets the money because they are the ones who go through the entire hustle of creating, of coming up with music so that they can also entertain us and as the Kenyakwanza government what I know is that the president is very intentional about creative arts and about supporting the industry and as members of parliament what we can do is ensure that we support him to ensure that all our creative arts are earning good money I mean we have seen industries like Nollywood, Bollywood, Hollywood we would want to see that in the future and Kenya can get there because we have many talented artists but like the CEO has said we must also be intentional to support Kenyan music and art We are talking to Dr. Lee We are talking to him Our biggest challenge right now is law compliance Can you imagine if what we are paying right now is out of 15% 85% is out there We said broadcasters was about 1.4 million Matatu industry have not paid and many restaurants It's out of initiatives like this the support from the ministry, from members of parliament that now we are starting to get compliance and that's why we have to pay 20 million this quarter So the biggest problem is not actually piracy because we have moved to digital and therefore it is becoming a bit complicated for people to pirate the way they used to do in the 90s What we are facing right now is law compliance People are using music in bars, in clubs public service vehicles in events, road shows and so on and they don't understand So we need to raise more awareness for people to comply with the copyright and then local content consumption like Moishmiwa has said we need to focus on that The other important thing is of course Kenyans that we know ourselves no one will comply with this economic hardship unless there is some push but also we have to get enforcement The government has to play its role It's a constitutional requirement and section 4 of the constitution for the government to protect intellectual property Some of the dynamics that you are seeing playing out here is because like most of the music particularly the gospel is just used for free So used for free is not actually piracy Used for free is a theft but there is also a lack of enforcement If someone comes to your shamba and there is a quote there What do you do? Do you start killing each other? You call the police That's a decent thing to do We appeal to the police to execute their job and ensure that anybody using copyrighted music or works, they pay for it because you have a choice not to use You have a choice not to use and then thirdly we have not diversified the ecosystem where the money is going with the use of technology A lot of money is in new media It's in YouTube on TikTok on all these platforms Mudundo, Boomplay and so on So people have always been focusing on the matatu, on hotels and so on Those are the traditional ways and they are good but we must sign with these new platforms, digital platforms because it's easier to collect there without spending a lot of money on administration So the moment we align that ecosystem and I always keep repeating music, business is an ecosystem CMOS will not succeed alone when the government does not have the right legal framework and they are not enforcing the government must give the police to enforce the law to protect copyright because it is the same as somebody coming to your shamba or yonduka and picking items for free The police don't say those guys can represent themselves The police enforce the law and we are asking them to enforce the law This young artist here they may not have the capacity to go to collect for themselves in every hotel So they need MCSK to represent them We have to strengthen CMOS support them give them licenses and lastly we have to also look at the issues when we are talking about new revenue stream like scissor tunes where you only focusing on so little that we are collecting from matatu and salons I mean from bars and salons and there is billions collected from scissor tunes and nobody is ordering anybody to account so if we were to get that money I can tell you because there is a time in 2015 we paid one musician 20 million, one Yes I have no shame to say it's on records from scissor tunes then people brought the same politics now artists are not being paid through CMOS we launched blank tape another revenue stream somebody went to court we are not distributing that money thankfully it is being collected so if you look at the ecosystem you can work together and coordinate there is a lot of money out there we can raise over 2 billion in a year and make musicians rich but we have a duty as leaders to protect them and maybe Mr.C you are looking at the next quarter do you have a target and maybe how much are you targeting to collect for musicians we are actually assuming that we will have a license that we will not have to spend money in a court the reason we are paying 20 million is because we didn't have to get lawyers last year we began by taking a couple to court so that we have a license right now we have a license we didn't have to spend that money we have given it out to musicians so we are assuming that all factors are in constant we will not distribute less than what we have distributed our target is 100 million or more so we can only wait and see because it is an ecosystem we might say we will distribute a million then tomorrow there is an issue that will cause us to spend so much money with the lawyers but when the environment all factors are equal and the environment being as it is today you will come here you come back here in April and will give 100 million and maybe finally one question today to Miwana Komba you have reconciled with the one and only Saru Wemanyaru and the big question because we have a video already online people are thinking probably you have taken your words that maybe content should be in music should be regulated Saru is a young girl and you have seen us we have hugged on the stage and there are many others like Ali Mukwana criticizing one does not make them your enemy these are our members they are the ones who pay my salary so they will criticize me and I will look for them and I will apologize if I need to the principle is I have gone to school I am their CEO so it is the best practice so when I advise them I also do it without malice so that we make songs that our song is not just popular because we are singing it but it is also making money for that artist so it is a conversation we are going to mentor them so there is no reconciliation we never in any fall out I have seen Saru for the first time yes yes I have seen Saru for the first time I have seen Saru for the first time yes yes so gifted what I was saying is if we only produce one genre of music and we ignore the family we are going to have a situation where people are popular but they are broke the message still starts you say there are messages that go out there that are not good for one the song she sang last time you criticized the song does that change I have said we are going to mentor our artist and our members and we are going to have a conversation when I said that and you can check the clip how I put it I was not criticizing Saru I was talking about the context of which music is making money in the film classification board and I used to say it is the products consumed by the family worldwide that create money so if you sing a song that you can sing with your mother you can play it in your car you can play it in the house you are cutting off from the market is that simple but that doesn't mean that she is stupid or she is not talented she is an amazing talented musician and that is a great friend of mine and you know every Kenyan is waiting to hear have you had a conversation with Saru concerning this particular song I am the one who invited her I tried she is here we are going to be here no no the song is not an issue we have paid a lot of money do you know how much money she has got no I am going to ask her but she is among the top earners together with the models but it is not less than 100,000 yes so you are here running don't add value on social media and go home broke Saru has worked home with over 100,000 so we can context I am Manilda I will help my sister I hope my brother Steve Simba boy we didn't have a quarrel but he came to the office I even have the one who registered him to MCSK and yesterday I looked for him I will tell you some of them I didn't send the man to come and they are coming to collect their checks we have no issue with Saru she is talented we are dancing to our song and now we are waiting to dance more so there is no issue but I am just saying when you support such talent then you guide them towards the product that will be bought by the family that will be consumed by my mother I will consume them with my children that is where the money is even as a CEO I am ashamed to sing that song with my children where are you putting it you are cutting it she is popular so you can see we have made an intention to reach out and say we are going to make you guys talented we are going to make you but it doesn't mean that their songs are bad because when you are inspired to write when you are inspired to sing you sing but then we pick and say this is an amazing talent this can be the next Jay Z to Namu Menda so that is a conversation we don't have a fight I was requesting if you can talk to the secular artist but they are like music I don't know why I think we are secular we want to try because when the Kenyan Kwanzaa government the president may have meetings kadasa and a creative industry because I am saying this sector can support so many young people so I am just asking them you have to have hope because if you have hope you can do it so I hope we are going to do our best as parliament we are going to enact laws I know the CMOs will get the proper system so that we have a high collection margin if you can say atleast if you can do it we can do it thank you so much thank you thank you