 This isn't really about the topic of today's roundtable, but it's on the board and it's something we want to show you There's a URL there Is this large enough to actually I'm gonna make this bigger here? so I just went to Google I typed in 2015 hands-on research and the first link is that thing right there so I click on that link and If I go to program oh, that's a good idea Much better if I click on program if you look at the program the first talk was Professor Sweeney and there's a link that says video and if I click on that link Well, what happens? It's gonna depend exactly on your browser, but it looks like we have a couple different Video files. I haven't tried this yet And I guess eventually this will be the case for the 2016 school as well if you go to the program Okay That's Harry from last year So all the videos from last year are up all the videos from this school will eventually be up under the program for the 2016 site Right, so these are just right now just the lectures, but that includes for instance Mike science education and the Didn't include the open microphone included Pietro's Presentation last year on career development for example I have one other thing to show unless somebody wants to make some opening remarks. Oh Okay, so this page has this is not an ICT page He paid I don't think it it has links to It has links to this year's ICTP page for the 2016 it also has it has some different content Here's the 2015 group photo which was out on the the dock downstairs and You can click on any of the past schools and so here are some photographs from the hands-on sessions in 2015 but the second white website is mostly general information about past schools as well as current and Photographs I think is the main thing here for some of the older schools. Yes school Yeah, so this is the 2009 school and at the bottom we have links to the PDF files for the lectures of the 2009 school on This second website. This is before we were coming to ICTP. All right, so maybe we should turn to Today's topic is international collaboration. Is that correct? Yes, and and funding yes, and I Have something relatively specific to talk about But just as far as a general comment You know, we we are here to help you and and are happy to continue to discuss by email Possible funding opportunities possible people to approach other than ourselves For research opportunities and so forth But in order to be successful in developing a International collaboration, you know a lot of the effort is going to be have to made by yourselves in terms of finding Available opportunities and especially if you can find a source of funding and Then approach a prospective mentor and say hey, there's this really great program and If you are willing to work with me we can write a proposal and get this this is maybe more likely to be To attract a potential mentor than if you just write to somebody and saying I am looking for a postdoctoral position Or I'm looking for a graduate research fellowship So you're not you're asking the person to work with you But if you're also asking them if they have money to pay for you then the answer is more likely to be no so I'm going to show you one example here of a possible source for many of you to to get a funding grant to study internationally and I mean, let me start with the story and I'm going to show you that the specifics two years ago At this school one of the participants approached me and he he said there is this program that will allow Let me back up. He was at the stage where he had a master's degree and he was looking to enroll in the PhD program Somewhere other than his own home country, and I've talked to many of you who are also You know have asked me for advice about where to apply for graduate school in the US for example So I know many of you are at that level you have a master's or will soon get a master's and are looking for a PhD Many of you are looking for a postdoctoral position So in this case he was he he told me I have found this wonderful program that will fund Research That will fund young scientists from my own country to study for a PhD in Germany so it required the student to be from one of a certain set of countries it required the Advisor to be from Germany and What I was able to help with was I knew somebody in Germany who had a similar scientific interest of the participants I was able to put the two of them in touch and they were successful in in getting funding and this so this program is sponsored by a German research organization called DA AD and so I'm not promoting study in Germany in particular It's just this is an example I know and you can probably find other examples like this but some of the other people have spoken to this school have said Oh, yes, DAD. That's very popular in our country too. So I did a Google search for just these these four letters DA AD There are two websites you might come to there is DAA D dot DE That's the website in Germany. There's also DA AD dot org and You want to avoid the DA dead org because that's their North American website. This is opportunities for North American researchers So in my case the first thing that came up on Google is DAA dot DE but on other computers I've gotten the other one so we want DAA dot DE and This is a general website and you see now there's information for foreigners and so forth and I'm sure you can navigate around and find out. There's there's a link for finding scholarships Actually, I found this link by I Always search for things in Google rather than use internal search engines So I just typed in scholarship and DA dot DE I found this same page and so here's a Page there is a link to a scholarship database Let me show you a little bit of the scholarship database 214 scholarship opportunities first one is Only for students from Costa Rica. Do we have any participants from Costa Rica? Too bad But there's 214 of those the point I want to make with this is that there are some very specific ones and the more Specifically opportunity if you are eligible The more specific the opportunity the more likely you are to be able to get this scholarship So a good master student from Costa Rica if they are aware of this program might have a very good chance of getting Funding the second one is for refugees from Syria I haven't looked through all of them, but you can look through all of them and see if there is a Scholarship opportunity appropriate for you. There is also in the back up Help in your country If I click on that leg this German organization which funds international collaborations Has Offices in many different countries Afghanistan, Argentina And so you can find a link to maybe to your local office and then there is contact information email website To that you can find information more specific to your country Most of these things are for scholarships for study in PhD program. Let's say, but there is information on post for postdoctoral positions as well, so I googled postdoc and This German website daad.de and the first link I got here here is info for postdocs and junior researchers Again, this is this is mainly about research in Germany This suggests I go to this other website research in Germany junior researchers There is some career development advice here career options. Here's one funding and fellowships for postdocs and again, we have Several opportunities here to apply for a postdoctoral Fellowship in order to have a postdoctoral position in Germany So I'm just mentioning this is you know, it this is a large enough organization I think daad specifically is something that all of you might benefit from looking at But I think there are many other opportunities like this as well. So in some cases finding a home in a PhD program in a PhD research group or finding a postdoctoral position is not just a matter of finding The right mentor of the right institution and applying directly But it can be aided by finding some third party who is interested in funding such international collaborations I want to say something about the UK, which is the country. I know the most about So all the postdoc jobs and the faculty jobs and also some of the PhD studentships are all advertised centrally in one website which is called jobs ac.uk Yeah, thank you and they're organized by scientific discipline So jobs ac.uk. So we're acquired by law to put everything up there. So everything is up there and You can search by university or by scientific field by deadline That's pretty. There's there's a lot of UK Opportunities there. There's also for those of you more in the soft matter Area, there's a there's a mailing list which is used a lot throughout the world if you Google soft matter And leads Mailing lists You will get a website where you can sign up to this mailing list and again that carries job opportunities not just in the UK but By many academics around the world and sometimes a job opportunities bounced onto the mailing list by some Somebody else that sometimes covers also towards bio jobs, but kind of centered on soft matter and Perhaps another comment I want to make is there are postdoc jobs Which is basically when somebody already has found the money and has has a well-defined Task more or less well-defined tasks for somebody to to to carry out and then there's there's fellowships where like Brian was saying where perhaps you together with the the host actually have to write together a project which is centered on you with your CV and And the two are slightly different usually the second Often it's for somebody a bit more senior because it's a it's more Gives you more independence. You are defining the project yourselves Sometimes in collaboration with the the host sometimes entirely by yourselves I'm trying to think What I'm wondering about is I'm in a slightly different situation than everybody else here in the sense that I'm in a private liberal arts undergraduate only institution in the United States So my situation is different and I was in particular thinking about that yesterday when Mike was talking about these different teaching techniques My tenure is based not on getting grants and publishing papers But I'm doing a good job teaching and so it's a different focus. So I am under no pressure to write grants I'm going to write proposals and I'm going to continue publishing papers. I intend to do those things But my constraints are different. So one thing I was thinking about commenting on is that the process of getting the kind of job that I got The is different and I'm not sure how aware you guys might be of this type of institution if you're looking for a faculty position at least in the US They are looking for diversity in their programs, especially in physics. This is a real problem both in terms of gender But also racial and ethnic Background we tend to be white males on my entire, you know, all my colleagues are white males and so they are looking for you know, they are looking for diversity, but That job is a very different job And when you apply to it and I and I made this comment and I talked to students in the US that were Graduate students looking to apply to get a job and very often people put together a nice package of research that they've done and all these things and their research plan and that is a Entirely appropriate for a research Institution job and is completely inappropriate for what the kind of job that I was looking to get It's a very different job. If you don't understand the job They know it immediately and very often people with very good applications for research positions Also throw one or two applications to these small schools and think that well I'll definitely get offers from them because I'm so good But the people at these schools look at them and they See the application and they say this person does not want this job Right, so make sure that whatever you're doing whether it's a fellowship or whatever You're doing all of the things that we talked about you make sure that your application is focused It's not one application that you throw to all scholarships It's not one application for a faculty position, but that you research the institution I made sure I researched who was there and what research they were doing and did all the these things to make Sure my application was tailored to the particular institution. You guys probably understand that or you wouldn't be here right now so Keep that in the back of your mind And if you want more information about the kind of job that I have and what my life is like and what I do Feel free to talk to me about that right, so Building up on the diversity comment of Bruce. So I just wanted to share with you that It's a known problem throughout the world that there is an unequal participation of males and females in science So there are certain fellowships that are meant specifically for females to pursue postdoctoral positions or like, you know have exchange internationally And so many of you might want to utilize that to your benefit So one of the fellowships that I'm aware of is a L'Oreal Women in Science fellowship And if you just Google it you will find a link to that and then during so as a young Graduate student There are other opportunities that I came across while looking for post-acquisition. So I can so there's a You know, there's a European Mari Curie fellowship, which is meant to foster international collaborations with Europe in it throughout and then there are certain fellowships which are specifically targeted for people who want to do interdisciplinary research and so like complex So so this school which is focused on complex systems and nonlinear dynamics has many connections to Biology and so if at any point of your career you feel like making a switch then you should definitely look at human frontier science program which encourages Physicists and chemists and mathematicians to engage in biomedical research along with an international collaborator, so so these are the few fellowships I wanted to talk about and then in particular my own more on home country India encourages a lot of international collaborations and its main funding agency department of science and technology comes out periodically with special programs like Indo-Russian You know funding or Indo-Egypt funding and you know, these are the few that I'm aware of And and these funding mechanisms don't necessarily give Lot of equipment or consumable money, but it gives a lot of freedom to travel So it gives you a lot of travel money and so you can come and visit any Indian science lab or vice versa, so So that's all I have to say about my limited knowledge on international collaborations Mahesh Good morning, everyone. My situation is a bit special and different in the sense that I am based at an international University Situated in Japan and all our funding comes straight from the Prime Minister's office of Japan because we are a very new university having said so I want to emphasize the importance of Writing grants and proposals Because they help us sharpen our ideas and they are a litmus test of how good or how Well-thought our problems are through a peer review process, right? In the specific context of Japan Brian, I'll need your help to pull the pages up. I want you to point out I want to point you to a few resources. There are both government and private funding options JSPS the Japan Society for Promotion of Science is the Japanese equivalent of the National Science Foundation in the United States or the European Research Council in Europe They strongly encourage a lot of international participation they specifically have fellowships for students and post-doctoral researchers coming from outside Japan and These are pretty popular within Asia say Philippines or China or Korea, but They are not as well advertised beyond the the Asian boundaries The if you go through this you will find the link at the top on international collaborations and you will find links and Funding deadlines for at every stage students post-doctoral fellowships travel grants or research collaborations Other private Japanese foundations that are active internationally Canon Foundation Mitsubishi Foundation Nikon Foundation all the electronics companies of Japan that you have heard of they have their own foundations that they through which they Provide philanthropic support for education worldwide I want to touch upon a point that Prerna made about the human frontier science program I am one of the grant awardees of the human frontier science program for the foot biomechanics project and It is an extremely competitive program Only 4% of the applications get funded, but it is also a program that comes with very few strings attached in what sense The question must come from the life sciences, but broadly defined the collaboration must come from different countries involving people who have never worked together before and It must be interdisciplinary. That is if one of the PI is the principal investigators of the project is a Biologist the other two have to be non biologists It's so happened that in our collaboration none of us is a biologist One is a mechanistian the other is an applied mathematician and I'm an experimental physicist The and we go to the annual grant awardees meeting every year The recent one was three weeks ago in Singapore and we are constantly stressed to put the word out because They want to attract as many applications as possible from anywhere in the world You don't have to be from one of the countries that are member countries of the human frontier science program to qualify for their funding Pool you can come from any nation the PI the principal investigator must come from the from one of the 21 countries But the co-PI's can come from anyone. I'll give you specific examples The Cairo Museum in Egypt got funded for that and it was a very beautiful work involving mummies There was another work from funded in Kenya for involving a very interesting combination of architecture and termite mounds. So these are specific examples the Last point which is little to do with funding but more to do with the sociology social aspects of collaborations When you go seek collaborations, we ideally want collaborations to be partnership amongst equals, right and What I would like to keep you in mind and this actually was triggered by a comment that Pietro made yesterday about Metacognition I had never heard of this term, but it is something I have applied When I have sat back and thought about it, which is I have observed myself What am I strength? What works? What works best for me because each of us has our own individual style of doing science and in doing so We would like to seek out those With whom we share a common interest in problems, but beyond that we also seek out those who are Who share a common style where we complement each other style. I'll give you two specific examples I have a very close friend who sits lives in the middle of the Negev desert all by himself We have a collaboration That where we just start in the morning go on a hike We discuss problem as we go on a hike We reach some ruins we sit there and do the problem and when we do the problem We don't even utter out complete sentences We just say words and we understand each other that is the level of comfort we have Two other friends on this HFSP project one sits at Brown the other at Yale when we get together our teams get together There are no inhibitions. There is no insecurity if we think an idea is wrong We just say no just shut up and sit down your idea is wrong and our students and postdocs are they're very surprised Pleasantly so well because they pointed out to us that we find your style of working very natural you want to seek out collaborations that Will work forever for the long term and in doing so you will end up self-selecting people to work with who will Share that style with you. So keep that in mind when you go looking for opportunities. Thank you Let me just mention just a somewhat technical point to follow on to one of the things Mahesh mentioned He mentioned this human frontier science program And this is a particularly nice website some of these programs have better websites than others I might have formed this opinion just based on their home page But the particular thing I want to point out here is well There are many links to funding and and you can see here Mahesh talked about you can look at what are eligible countries and so forth Just as important these things if you can find information on awardees Here's awardees. Here's the list of awards made in March Made in 2016 and you can look and see what have been successful Proposals for this particular program So before applying to any of these programs if you can find on their website Examples of successful applications that can be very much a help in preparing your own application Yeah, and the one thing that occurred to me. I wasn't really prepared to do this this morning. No until Was the one way that private liberal arts schools do actually collaborate is through study abroad programs and in particular my institution loves to have study abroad programs where the students spend a semester Taking classes potentially doing research and things like this in another country And so that's a big part of what they do and also Our school has if you know potential undergraduates Has scholarships for international students and things like this and just other ways in which in my context we have more of an international Collaboration, but that is like I said it my my situation is a little bit different But also if you think oh wow my my home institution would love to have a study abroad program with center college in Kentucky Let me know and I'll see what I can figure out because they are looking for different opportunities that would allow students the Exchange of students between the institutions and there's funding for that for the through the institution through foundations and stuff like that So let me just say a little bit about since some of you are in the situation of Thinking about you know in master's programs you're in and you were one to pursue a PhD program I've had a couple of people approach me about asking me what so what does one need to do to do Study in the United States to apply for a PhD program Turns out I don't know if you're aware of this, but we have very large international populations. So in my school 50% actually even more half of us more than half of the students are from International programs I just mentioned we had a student who was just accepted It's coming this fall from Shahid behestee University was a Turkish student, but it was an undergraduate So this is very common What do you need to do? Well, there are things you sort of the important parts are there that set of Really the starting point is to if you have particular programs you're interested in Go to the university websites the departmental websites Look at the research programs of certain programs appeal to you Look at the application process and that would typically involve you are taking something like a standardized exam a general exam a graduate admissions GRE as Well as a subject exam Certainly in physics. That's typically required TOEFL. There is the test of English as a foreign language. That's very important and Sort of cycle for that is you would be thinking about would be in the fall this fall starting to look at programs so that you would Be able to prepare take the exams and get your application materials in by the end of the calendar year for beginning graduate study in the following fall so Some of you I know that just talking with some of you have asked me about that Maybe other use of you had that in mind, but you certainly keep that in mind as a possibility again, it's in the US in Physical sciences and physics, you know a very large Fraction of the students in graduate level are from from abroad I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but one of the general ways to find collaborators not just international ones is to Go to conferences so I went to a conference in Cambridge, England and Listened to a couple of talks and one person's talk really appealed to me and Went up after and talked to them about it and this is a good idea Just in general whenever you're at a talk Listen to the talk think about something interesting about what they've said afterwards go up and tell them how interesting their talk was People love to hear how interesting their talks are That starts up a conversation and we ended up Doing a project together. I spent about two months in that person's lab. We did a project using MRI and I Got two publications out of it. So I think that's a sort of general way to to meet people and To you get old at an international conference you get a lot of you a lot of different people and So there's a good chance of finding someone You know who might you might be interested in collaborating with? so it is good to go Go to conferences and meet people and talk to them And that's one of the best ways to make contacts But once you have a contact you don't have to travel to the other country with Skype I've had recent Collaboration with a person. I met at a conference a couple years ago And haven't didn't meet for two years after that, but we wrote a paper together and for a period of time we had a Skype with student of mine and student of the professor who Worked and if you have regular Skype meeting say once a week then everyone's Responsible for getting something new for the next week It's like having a group meeting where you're actually in the same place But it doesn't cost anything to be anywhere in the world And you can have an hour Skype and plan what what is our goal for the next week and and that can be very productive Okay, so at this point, we're still waiting for Joe Nimala who is not yet appeared We hope he will appear, but why don't we open up the floor to questions? While you're waiting for questions Let me also point to some opportunities at my university itself Which for which the funding doesn't come from any of the funding agencies, right? So you directly apply to the university put oist.jp So our university is by law required to have 50% of students and researchers from outside Japan So we have no choice. We have to do it and if you click on the graduate school page You have internships admissions All of them are funded by the university including your flights your stay When you apply because I have received a lot of inquiries from amongst you when you apply Make sure that your recommendation letters come in on time. Pay attention to your letter your statement and your CV having a perfect spelling mistake free Packet may not get you an admission or an internship, but having spelling mistakes or grammatical errors may hurt your chances and Why make life difficult for yourself when there is already so much of competition, right? So pay attention to those details It it's perfectly okay to directly write any of the faculty and discuss with them a project in advance Okay, don't don't feel Don't feel any inhibition just write them. We are all normal people like you and We respond to emails. Maybe a little Slow compared to you all but because we get roughly 200 to 300 emails a day, but we still do So I just want to leave you with that questions questions people questions Yeah, so some of the Yeah, sure. So In ICT be there is this Association for faculty members to come in. So I wanted to ask this to professor name 11. He was here, but Any of you know more about how to apply for associate? No, okay Okay, then in Okinawa is there some Okay, he can Yes, thank you very much and I Actually in ICTP. They have a large opportunities The first one they have three categories of associates. The first one is junior associates. Those are master degree students PhD with PhD As regular associates till the age of 45 and then senior associates Okay The three categories are open all for all Applicants from developing countries few opportunities from people from developed countries also The funds almost the same for three categories You can bring your family for two months per year The duration of associates is six years You have three travels during the six years So you have opportunity to come year by year or one go three three consecutive years You have the opportunity for that They have a kind of quota. I mean from each country they have certain opportunities So sometimes you might very good application But limited by numbers for from Egypt or from Indonesia or from any countries they have limited numbers to be distributed around the world This is the farthest part of associates Other parts they have very good program step program for PhD student you have to register for your PhD to your home countries and You have but by this program you have an opportunity to come here for for one year each Six months in the Italian Institute So you have supervisor here in Italy and supervisor from your home country And you can do all your experimental research here in Italy three visits two visits or three visits Each visit the maximum six months The third thing I would like to add also they have Another program is not ICTP. It is TWAZ to us third world Academy of Science. You can open it, please Yes, it is just here in Operation office in front of operation on the first floor Yes, yeah Actually, they have a lot a lot of opportunities, but in developing countries from in Turkey in China in Brazil Argentina They have postdoc opportunities. They have PhD opportunities master programs short visit for two months for scientists from developing countries even if you have an A conference in your home country. You have an opportunity to invite scientists from developed countries With full fund. So they have very a lot of opportunities. I think you can just take a look at This website and even you can register and they sent you the deadlines always. There's a new applications The last thing about this they have awards Very good awards. I won one of the young scientists before five years in 2011. Yes Very very good award amount of money and reputation also for all Scientists senior and junior scientists. So you can apply also. I think this is very good opportunity. Thank you very much Thank you, Dr. Solomon. Thanks So with Professor Bhandi with Okinawa Institute So similarly for faculty members, is there a short time visit or short time associate ship? sabbaticals so if for faculty who want to come and spend time at At Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology You write the faculty directly and set it up with them because they have to negotiate Budget to host you for a certain period of time This is this could be visiting researcher or a sabbatical I would like first to thank all the faculty members for all their efforts because we learned a lot from them It was So it was not not only the content of the courses, but also by observing you and how you organize this hands-on research school and I would like to ask you about what are the qualities you are looking for when you receive applications I Know that well it said that the work is the best ambassador of students or the list of its publications Of his publications extra etc. But also are there other like let's say green flags that encourages the professor Or a PI to recruit or to accept a student for like both dog or PhD program. Thank you So I'll say a little bit about that so I'm gonna think about it in terms of let's say you're applying to a graduate program and PhD program in the United States so Certainly Your track record plays a very big role and if you're you have participated in done research say at a master's level It's important to have good letters of recommendation not perfunctory letters Meaning and not they have if the letters are very specific saying you know You did this fantastic work on sand dunes and you know really talked about that work in great detail and Says says that you're the best group You know graduate student the master student the person has had in you know many years those things matter a lot More so than say a letter which says you know, this is person He was the best student I've ever known and then says nothing else anything specific about that. So those are really important letters You know That that's I would say that's a that's a key thing to have in mind Making if you have a contact like we have contacts now and you know that you're interested in Let's say coming to the United States to let's say Georgia Tech in physics then use those contacts Right and say maybe you're not interested in the particular research that let's say I do but you say you see a program That's at the in my department that you would be interested in use that sort of contact to find out or you know Those are those are important because then that person if you've made contacts you made a good You know made a good contact and that's that's very helpful. So those are a couple of things to have in mind Let me let me add one thing to that in terms of professor Schatz talked about that how recommendation letters should be specific and not generic But when you when you approach somebody by email I get lots of emails that say dear professor hunt and and Several paragraphs and somewhere it says and I read your paper quote this closed quote And then it goes on and on and aside from those two little pieces of information the same letter could have written been written to any scientist There is really nothing in this message that says that the person didn't just do a web search and Cut and paste a couple things into a form letter and send this letter out to 500 different scientists so To be honest, I don't even respond to such messages okay, so It can be more effective to choose ten potential mentors and spend Some hours on each one Really trying to learn as much as you can about them and write a detailed message that specifically that makes it clear to them That that that you are interested specifically in them and not that you are just Emailing as many people as you can and if you do ten You know contacts like that that will be much more effective than Then than 500 for mothers another thing also is is Most of us are not nearly as good as professor Shatz at remembering names and faces. I am always amazed at His ability to do so and for instance, so if you know as Mark said meeting people at conferences making contacts Is is a great way to get started and if you write to one of us Say in two months from now, please remind us I I met you at the hands-on school and I apologize that I may not remember So, you know, you know remind us of the context in which we've met and that that can also be You know a more effective way to get a positive response if you are in the situation of just emailing somebody Let me add a couple of points to To what Mike and Brian said when you send an email to a Potential collaborator or to a faculty with whom you are interested in working Make judicious use of the space because people all of us are busy. You are busy and so are we So make very good use of the subject line because that more or less Decides whether I'm immediately going to look at the mail or not So for instance, if you write me as Brian said, we may not remember your names But you're not headless personalities to us. We remember your faces, right? But in an email that That made not connect immediately. So just say for instance, for example hands-on 2016 alumnus Request help will immediately look at it Right and in the email keep it brief but concise but to the point come straight to the point It helps the second on recommendation letters In my culture were in India Recommendation letters are looked down upon not in sciences, but when you go for other jobs So when I was applying for graduate school, I was actually very confused and recommendation is Looked as a form of bribery, but over the years. I came to see no this is actually a vetting process Because the the students we want to take the postdocs we want to hire We want to know we want to know how good a match we are going to be with them What's happening? Okay? so The letters play a very important role in the decision-making process But it works through a system of goodwill if say If suppose you one of your professors writes a letter that you are their best student but does not give enough details then we don't know enough or Abuses the opportunity then the goodwill is lost forever. We do not abuse that Okay, other questions Okay, so we are sort of at the limit of our time So we'll just bring this this session to a close make a few announcements though. So posters The posters that your posters are now available for you to pick up with one Sort of caution. So the posters are in Lundquist, which is two doors down. They're laid out They're in three separate piles in order For session one session two session three in that same room. There are Poster tubes the cardboard tubes which you can use to roll up your poster put them inside and take them back with you The sort of caution is is that we don't yet have quite enough tubes in there We have about half the number the rest should be delivered by say noon today So I would say if you unless you really have to have your poster now, you're leaving now Okay, hold off and wait till after that morning hands-on session then come down to Lundquist There should be enough tubes you can get your poster out take it out try to keep things in orderly in piles So someone else who comes later can find their poster more easily roll it up Grab a cardboard tube and put that in so you have a nice way to transport your poster back home the other Announcements, I'll say is we have our morning hands-on sessions the last one after that basically free time And then we'll we'll meet and convene at eight o'clock Upstairs of the terrace for awards. So we'll have the poster awards will have Certificates for everyone will have a banquet as well. Yes The eight o'clock awards are going to include dinner right it will include the full dinner Yes, so you don't have to eat dinner before that any other announcements Questions, okay, so let's proceed to our last hands-on session