 Hi guys, I'm hanging out with the one and only Paira Makena. Hi girls. Hi, how are you doing? Very good. And let me tell you, let me just start with this. I just checked your Instagram and you posted a picture of your primary school. And I'm like, you know, I went to that primary school. I'm like, I didn't know. No way. I swear to you. No. I just thought we went to Kenya Mass. Like I also went to Kenya Mass. But I didn't know about Bishop Lawi Matthew. You went to Bishop Matthew? Yes, girl. I mean, I went there. But you see, that's why you came out the way you are. Because I mean, that was a struggle though. It was. Nice to know. How have you been though? I've been great, hustling, you know, things have been tough post COVID. We're trying to pick up and just some things are getting better. You know, things are surprising us different way. But we're learning to adjust, you know, with all these things that are happening, the psychology rules as people are calling them. But you know, now we have to adjust and fitting into the new rules. I mean, because they're helping everybody. I should think. Guys, look who's talking. She has back and chill. She's been doing to us all over the world. And I mean, but you're doing so good. So much. We are trying. I mean, we have to push our hard ourselves. We have to push ourselves. Because I mean, you can't just stay there. When you see something different, something that you can try to work on. I mean, you just go like for the tour. I think it's given. It's opened ways for me and many gates that I feel like many people should try. Now, Pera, I also want to know, because I mean, every job has a challenge. What is that one challenge that you feel, you know, this is what you went through, but you were able to overcome it during the shoot. So, well, during the shoot is the same time I was having my tour. So it was so hard for me. I had like few extra days to spare for the shoot. So every time I was in the country, they used to squeeze me up for those for the shoot. So I could have like three days and every day I have to wake up at 5 a.m. Come shoot and all that. Those are supposed to be my resting days. And then Friday is the end. I have to travel again. So I was tired 24-7. I was tired like, but now the good thing is that the kind of set that we had was very, it was a very friendly set. Like it was easy. I could finish shooting something and maybe if the next part is not mine, you can hear the director say, spirit taken up. You know, like it was a very friendly set. So I was able to do it. However, the timing was just crazy. You were able to achieve it. Thank you so much. Just tell us about your role. Who are you playing and how do you relate to that role in real life? Do you? No, I don't. No, I don't. Actually, I play the character Julie. Julie is, she fell in love with this guy who happens to have a girlfriend. Right? And she felt like, you know, it's not a big deal. They're just dating. You know, just like the way Julie could be dating this girl, you know, this guy. So with Julie, Julie is a don't care. She comes from a wealthy family, a very powerful one. And so she doesn't really feel like, I mean, there is anything to scare out of that. And she can get any kind of man she wants. That is not me. First, I don't believe like I can get any money I want. I don't think so. And Julie believes this is the man she wants, right? Yes. And she decides to go for it. And she starts despising the other girl, which is very unfair because she's the one who's messing up the relationship. Yeah. So I feel like that character is, it's an aerobic character. That happens a lot. Yes. You know, it has happened to me. Yes. I mean, many times I could be smiling at your man and the next time I'm running away with him. You know what I mean? This is Kanaira. So I feel like this script really related to what happens right here. Yeah. When it went berserk, I mean, they didn't really have to kill me. Yeah. I mean, I just slept with a man like, is that really bad to ask, you know? Anyway, but you get. So I feel like it really went crazy, which is maybe it can get to such extent sometime. Yeah. So as young people, what I feel like we really need to do, let's get men, you know, who belong to us. You don't have to go and get men who belong to other people. You know, married men or whatever, you know, it's Kanaira anyway. Yeah. I'm not prepared for anything, but that is what I represent as a person. I don't advocate for that either. But I like the fact that I played that role and it came out well. And maybe it might be relevant to somebody out there. Yeah. I mean, maybe we have a Julie who is out there. They are already in that situation. What should you like to tell them? You know what? People can be in love. You know what? Maybe that person there who's dating that girl is your soulmate. If you believe in soulmate, put it out in the light. Yes. More than making the other person feel like a fool. If you're a man and you're dating someone and you feel that person does not belong to you, please break up with them. You don't have to take them for a ride. If you feel that's the person who you want to be with, then break it off with this one and go for this one. I mean, you don't have to take them through hell. Yeah. That's what I feel as a person. Yeah. And that is what I would do as a person. If I was dating somebody and I fell in love with somebody else, I wouldn't take the person I am dating through hell. I'll just tell him, you know what? Yeah, I think I need to be with someone else. Let him get hurt at that moment, but let him not know that I cheated. You know, I was with another man when we were together. You know, such things like it's really, to be honest, not necessary. For sure. Yeah. You know, you're a mom. You're a girl-mom, for sure. But I really want to know. I want to know what is that one virtue that you always tell Rika or rather you just want her to grow in that virtue? Yeah. There is one thing. I'm very godly. Yes. I have been brought up by a very spiritual family and I tried to put that out to Rika. However, there is one thing I've been trying to teach her. Well, apart from the usual virtue. Like, you know, do not lie, do not, you know, all those things. I've been trying to teach her that wealth, richness is not everything. Material stuff is not everything. If you see me driving a G-Wagon Brabus or whatever, that is not everything. Everything is here. It's your heart. The way you're kind to people, the way you're loving to people, the way you care for other people who don't have food or who are sick or something. That is what I feel like she needs to know. Because sometimes, Yulia, she'll be something like, you know what? Can we go for holiday in this place? And nowadays I've learned to tell her, I think this time if you've saved enough to go for holiday, why don't we take this money to our children's home? You know, I want her to understand that wealth and money is not everything. And for a girl child today, people feel like they need money through her babas. You know, they go through crazy things. I mean, today you'd want to meet somebody who will buy you a Range Rover spot. Right? And then you have it, then tomorrow you wake up, there it is. You have it. And then? And then what? You get. So, Range Rover spot is not everything. But the fact that you cared for that person, you didn't have something. You fed somebody. You paid school fees for someone. I feel that that's more fulfilling than just material stuff. And that's what I've been trying to teach my child, which I feel like is really a good thing. And it makes you be content. Like me, I'm happy where I am. Probably I live in a three-bedroom house. I'm born to be in a eight-bedroom house in Karen. But I'm happy where I am at the moment. And that is a good place to be. Yes. Now, Pere, I'm going to let you go. Last question for sure. You know, as a DJ or as an actress, or someone who's in the entertainment industry in Kenya, things keep on happening, challenges are there. Ten years ago, where you were and right now, are the challenges still the same? They are the same, but I've learnt how to handle them differently. For example, I used to be scared of what people say. No, they really don't care. Like I really don't care. Like if somebody said something and it really hurt me, like I would go like, okay, why did it hurt me? Like is it relevant? Does he pay my rent? Does he sleep with me at night? You know, like, how relevant is that person who is saying? And then I realised they're not relevant. Then I move on. But before, oh my God, I would go even on Twitter with somebody who has zero followers. And I panic. And then I realised, oh my gosh, this is a joke. So, ten years ago, I would panic about that. Nowadays I really don't care much about that. I live my life. I have learnt how to live my life. For sure. Yes. Taking it easy every day. Yes. All right, Perra. Thank you so much for talking to us. Thank you so much for having me. And good job you guys are doing. I'm so proud of you, your young people, and you're doing such a great job. Thank you, my dear. I'm really proud of you, to be honest. Thank you so much. I keep going. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye. Bye.