 Hello you guys welcome back to the esoteric explorer series here on Nostics TV as you saw from the introduction. I am so honored today to have Derek here who is we think what the five times great grandson we think so great grandfather to the fifth power was like I fully realized that like my ancestors were part of like the trail of tears and yet and that's the narrative we get right so who like I also have other thoughts and sides to the kind of sticking to that narrative like we did push them out there were land land agreements that the government didn't like own up to you know to mean so there is a definite obvious dark side to the natives being pushed out well so however happened the natives get pushed out and then the United States government is giving out these huge land grants right when you're on a radio station you give the same as a vacuum cleaner it allows it's that the electronic sound allows voices to be heard that are trying to speak to so that makes it like that chill box when you said that because that makes a lot of sense that Kate father was Lucy's brother so we have two women here two women and aunt and a niece who are coming from this other family that we don't know much about that obviously picked Lucy to John Bell I'm assuming they were probably prominent to in North Carolina this would be like your seven time you know your six time great grandparents yeah that Kate is also that's Kate's grandparents Lucy's parents I could see that like maybe getting a spirits attention oh digging up bones but if there wasn't already so much darkness going on they might not have cared like I don't think that specifically like the haunting is because they're mad that the bones got dug up I feel like spirits on the other side they're able to like rationalize and say oh they're just children but it's almost they got like pulled into it and saw what was going on they're like oh glad glad you called me to watch this show and get access to all shows on the Gnostic TV network just click the link in the description below