 live streaming. Where are we? Awesome. Hi everyone, this is Gicho. Welcome to my channel and welcome to another live stream. Today is November 2nd 2019 and what we're doing today is Julien Assange open discussion part three. We already did two of these things this week and I planned on doing a third one and there was a request to do it at this time on Saturday at 10 a.m. PDT my time Pacific time coast Canada which sort of kicks it into late evening in Europe and early afternoon in east coast. Okay now we've done a couple of these and they were interesting. We did a fair bit. We talked a fair bit. Okay we covered a lot. We read some articles. We watched a couple of interviews. Okay and I'm going to follow that same pattern. Okay and we're gonna wait a few minutes until people roll in. I will have the link in the description of this video to the previous two discussions we've had. We actually had four previous discussions. We did a live stream regarding Julien Assange when he was extracted out of the Ecuadorian embassy. Right and we covered some information. We talked about who WikiLeaks is and what they've done and whatnot and things have kicked into the final leg really of what's going to happen to Julien Assange and that's why we started these live streams. He already served a sentence one year for skipping bail 50 weeks I guess for skipping bail and seeking asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy and since the year has been up what we're seeing is the hearings into Extraday Julien Assange as fast as possible to the United States have kicked in. Okay sticks free Assange 100% racer kill how are you doing good morning Cron how's life how are you doing intrepid welcome welcome Ichicho happy to be here do you know when we are going to uh are doing the next relationship live stream I need some serious advice my friend uh intrepid send me a reminder and I'll make sure we set it up um maybe next weekend if that's okay I would love to talk about relationships right now you know what we've got a couple I know you know what relationships deserve the attention they need and it needs to be dialogue right so if you want to talk and if it's really urgent brother send me a message and I'll gladly I'll gladly talk to you if you would like if it's urgent 100% okay either discord private chat email or if you require we can do a one-on-one I'm afford if it's urgent if it's not that urgent you just need to get some ideas off your head and just bounce off some ideas let us know when next weekend I think next weekend should be okay for me maybe even as early as Friday but I thought if I could do it as early as Friday this week either Saturday Sunday Monday is difficult Saturday Sunday or Tuesday next week let me know when works best for you and we'll try to set it up even in the middle of the night I don't care okay feels like the media really downplays Assange oh racer kill I got a treat for you uh we're gonna start this off by the way for today's plan we're gonna start this off by reading a comment that was posted on one of the other videos that we loaded up regarding Julian Assange more on this when we get into in a couple of minutes okay media today is controlled by the powers in the dark most people working within the media today are tools yes and more so right cron relationships is a good one yeah relationships is crucial I think real journalism is dying real journalism is not on the forefront is not what the propaganda's corporate propaganda's and corporations and governments are pushing they are pushing the their narrative right anybody wants to get real news stop I've mentioned this a gazillion times now stop watching abcb bbc cnn fox uh cnbc stop watching corporate propaganda it's gonna mush your brain okay in sweden our biggest newspaper called often often blooded or a social democratic newspaper we'll do thanks a lot okay awesome and truck it and it's loaded with bullshit and it's loaded with propaganda it's loaded with programming tools mechanisms it acts on people's subconscious it gets people to become reactionaries instead of critical thinkers the corporate propaganda machine is one of the things that needs to completely be annihilated in a sense of just get them to lose all credibility anybody that quotes anything really substantial and they base all of their beliefs and theories on anything if they've read on cnn fox the atlantic we're gonna touch on the daily be anything that is corporate run shills pushing the garbage they need to have their head examined you are not you as some people are beginning to refer to it they're npcs non-player characters right stop exposing yourself to that garbage the way propaganda works in the western world is more subtle if you start being too loud regarding things such as assange you'll get smeared and deligionalized it's so effective that direct censorship is rarely needed 100% racer kill right and that is the reason people need to stop giving any weight credit to new york times washington post any of these agencies write them off for 10% of real facts that they portray with words that sort of deflect from the main theme of the articles there's 90% garbage okay why in the world would you consume 90 for 90 percent garbage to have 10% of possibly substantial bits of information right they don't want humans to be uh local uh logical beings they want us to be free based beings feeling based beings because we are uh feel because we are feeling based you don't act logically yeah they teach you're saint just germany how are you doing when you give the humans the belief that they are in control you get a very obedient group of humans you do you do i i talked to someone uh uh yesterday that dropped a few quotes on me they were great i'm not gonna um here's one quote i haven't checked into this to see if it's a legitimate quote or not but he basically said one of the quotes that stalin had was um let me see if i can let's say i'm paraphrasing right he said uh a quoting stalin uh paraphrasing a quote that i heard this person say from stalin that i haven't checked into right so i'm disseminating maybe false information here but i like that it doesn't make a difference who said it right uh the quote is this guns are guns are dangerous uh guns are dangerous i know ideas the guns are dangerous so our ideas uh we don't allow our citizens to have guns why do we allow our citizens to have ideas along those lines okay on that note let's begin our third discussion on julien and sange since the extradition hearings have started okay now if you recall uh last week if you've watched it we did a couple of live streams when julien and sange was extracted out of the aquadoran embassy that was about a year ago 50 weeks ago 51 weeks ago or something like this we sort of laid the groundwork of who julien sange is why this is happening and whatnot he served his times for skipping bail now the hearings have started regarding his extradition so last week during this week a few days ago we did two live streams julien sange opened discussion part one and julien sange opened discussion part two right and we talked about some of the things that have played out we watched a couple of videos we read a couple at least a couple of articles and had a discussion okay this is part three following what we've covered already okay and what i'm going to start off with this discussion is a comment that was posted on a previous one of the previous videos we put out last week okay i read some mainstream german media because there are some facts in it the alternative media is like a commentary on supplement to mainstream media my parents still watch mainstream news at prime time but also political cabaret yeah how messaged racer killed we're gonna allow that i don't know what that says but racer killed your comments are allowed for example there's no so many leaks of what cia has done the last decade but there's so little discussion about it in the media it's not directly censored you can find information online but it's never put on spotlight in any big media and most importantly no one has ever published yeah uh a punished yeah okay now take a look at this here's a comment that was posted on let me just make sure this is looking okay for you guys okay i'm going to read this comment some of us caught off but it is what it is here let me reduce the size let me put my tea down so i don't spill any tea oh it goes all the way across okay anyway this is the comment we're gonna read okay and it was posted on the video that we had up which was called it was one of the previous videos we did on julien assange and it's called it's the segment about that we had to cut off the stream right it's the segment called cash versus digital conspiracy theory facts gnome chumsky conspiracy theories right that's the video that this comment was posted on i'm going to put this on in chat as well and i'll try to remember to post it in the description of this video but most likely it will be there someone calling assange and listen to this sticks man right so i'm going to read this this and the user's name is pash otlem okay and i reply to this person right off right away like he posted this yesterday and replied yesterday as well and this morning i looked up what he was referencing i'm going to go into what he was referencing right so this is either after we read the article we'll look at all the information but just off the get go this is either a very confused user either working at a troll farm or a shill okay fourth choice might be he he's part of the status quo that is working towards disseminating garbage right quote you continue to be locked in your own peculiar dogma where julian assange a deranged asshole hated by everyone who ever worked with him is some sort of persecuted hero of the truth it doesn't bother you for a moment that this assange actively helped get trump elected nor the many charges against him surely just drum drunk uh drummed up false hoods by all his powerful enemies and as such you distrust distrust legitimate media sources at least the best news outlets adhere to some degree of journalistic integrity unlike the lunatic fringe of conspiracy theorists nuts you follow perhaps diverse diversify your reading material with an article from an ununimpeachable source like the atlantic where an actual journalist michael weas offers a dose of truth about assange just do a web search for quote julian assange got what he deserved end quote and then quote again and he's quoting something from the article now quote so the article is called julian assange got what he deserved by michael weas i don't recommend you reading this i'm just going to read this little quote they extract it out of the article right quote in the end the man who reportedly smeared feces on the walls of his lodgings mistreated his kitten and and variously blamed the ills of the world on feminist and bespectacled jew Jewish writers was pulled from the ecodorn embassy looking very in every inch like a powdered sugar saddam hussein plucked straight from his spider's hole and quoting the article okay and that was a full comment that this person posted this was my reply before checking out his source because the the part that he quoted in his comment we already know that assange smearing feces on the walls is live just garbage just random it's just like it's just like me coming up and saying the pope takes jelly donuts and does things to them and throws them all over the Vatican like what are you talking about like just garbage right the part about mistreated his kitten is just garbage like just pure lie like this already come out all of this is just garbage like you you dig down even on a superficial level you realize it's just garbage right just like it's ridiculous right but these people are propagating this in the mainstream news even the Atlantic right so my comment to this guy was this high patch sounds like you've you've been reading way too many conspiracy theories my advice step away from the mainstream propagandist they are not good for your mind or your soul hang around here for a while let me know what you think of the next few videos coming up you may find them interesting to say the least let me put a little winky face in there okay that was my comment let me just follow up on the chat uh all of how you doing how you doing someone call yeah uh sometimes documentaries go more deep into these topics uh at least in Germany news are all about the current events like background facts i'd say to a certain degree some facts the facts that they're willing to share the misinformation they want to share and i agree with you i like documentaries uh but you also have to look into who's creating those documentaries olive i'm glad you made it by the way lunatic fringe and conspiracy theories last six months you're right but in the end such things mostly gives the perception of freedom because they are very rarely reading that what exactly is michael weiss offering sticks man we're going to look into michael weiss who this person is right is he against julien assange's work with wiki leaks or is he just out after destroying his integrators now this person commenting called this michael weiss guy a journalist a journalist would never write this crap a real journalist this person is a propagandist he's writing that assange abused his kitten what are you talking about like really what are you talking about it's just chatter noise right and people read this crap right this type of person smearing is just absurd julien assange could be an asshole it wouldn't matter exactly 100 right i think zeke pointed out freedom of speech is a sign of a system which doesn't have to fear other opinions anymore because it's so strong established that no speech can be dangerous china however has to fear freedom of speech since it could in fact shatter the system so china's system is not a set in stone as western mainstream the pope embarrasses his priesthood with jelly dolls the atlantic article looks to be only published online where anyone can publish an op-ed the actual print edition of the atlantic has far higher standards i wouldn't touch the atlantic tell you truth dragons right i've read some stuff on the atlantic that i agreed with some stuff and then you read some stuff you go wow this is like pure garbage right so personally i'm not into reading mag rags like this right where his proofs for the kingdom there are no proof sticks there is no proof like it's just garbage right assange isn't um embarrassing for the media shows how little really investigative journalism they do exactly that right now fun fact both swing kids in school are not allowed to dress out as gingerbread men but they can dress out to whatever else they want gingerbread men is considered racism are you serious that's crazy absurd right now i found the article i went to the atlantic this is the article that the person is talking about right let me make sure we're still streaming okay it's all looking good okay all looking good let me put the chat up here now i haven't read this article i'm not going to like as far as i'm concerned it's just rag garbage right uh like ridiculous right well and that it looks like he took the first paragraph of this article from what he posted and this thing came out april 15 2019 right now who is this michael weese guy this guy right here right i did a little search found his twitter feed okay you find his twitter feed so i try to go his website his website is 401 error so there is no website right so i can't really read what he says about himself right okay good enough uh reporting smear exactly another founder weekly this is german daniel uh doshan i think i know him he's very anti nsa and anti surveillance but pointed out the song is very egomaniac on heart to work with sure that's fine he can be sometimes some people consider me extremely hard to work with right like it's just absurd attempt to make him look insane exactly so i go to this guy's thing i didn't but i don't bother looking at any of his tweets it doesn't make a difference to me really just from that one paragraph you can tell that this guy is just uh just like i don't even know if i'm allowed to say what this guy is right a big amount of successful people are very hard to work with they tend to do what they want themselves okay so we can't go to his website his website's down right he's got a link here that takes you to amazon i believe where he wrote a book okay and this guy's got 125 000 followers i doubt it right if these followers are real here's the reason let's dig a little deeper into this dude right so the about page i could find is wikipedia now i mentioned that wikipedia is not a great source of information but we'll take a we'll take a peek because we can't go to his website his website's down on his twitter feed he's selling his book right oh yeah let me read you what he says on his twitter account right co-author of new york times bestseller isis inside the army of terror and he's got a link to amazon and it continues daily beast editor at large grew officially gru aficionado encrypt e and he's got his protomail email address in here right so we can't go to his website we go to wikipedia let's start off there i don't want to spend too much time on this dude here's the dude here's his face can you guys see that that's him let's make sure that this thing's popping up let's see is it oh my god did i have the screen turned off oh no no i don't there he is yeah yeah you guys see him i thought we're seeing black i'm like oh no we threw all that with blackness now let's read his wikipedia thingamajigae right reading his wikipedia he's an editor of the daily beast and a contributor to cnn and exactly dragons dig deeper check this out right so i'll read this michael weas is an american journalist and author weas is a senior editor for daily beast a consulting executive editor of koda story a columnist for foreign policy right and foreign policy will go there i i've read foreign policy articles that's one of the most hardcore neo-conservative rag mags you can find right horrendous wall street journal people read this right fund managers read this money people read this it's it's garbage right and author and a frequent national security analyst and contributor for cnn whoa okay education do we want to know his education sure let's read his education education weas was born to a jewish family and educated at tounson harris high school a public magnet high school in flushing queens in new york city from which he graduated in 1998 followed by by dartwood college in 2002 with a b a in history history dude okay life and career the first sentence said everything you need to know right weas has served as co-chair of the russian studies center at the neo-conservative british policy think tank henry jackson society so this guy works at a neo-conservative think tank and this joe below here is quoting an article about the most important journalist that we have had in human history quoting that how bad julian assange is the most important journalist we have had in human history that has held power accountable and nothing that they have printed they have had to extra recall everything is fact right pure history this joe below is supposed to be studying b a in history he should be drooling over wikipedia uh wiki leaks right because it's pure history right and he works for a neo-conservative think tank so you already know who this guy is right check out this crap check out this crap i'll i'll skip the rest like it's just insane right we'll go down to this part in march 2015 in an article co-written with uh michael pregent weast accused iran back iran backed iraqi shiai militias of committing extensive atrocities against sunni civilians in the course of their war against the islamic state of iraq and the labant including quote from their article or whatever they wrote quote burning people people alive in their houses playing soccer with severed human heads and ethnically cleansing and raising whole villages to the ground end quote weas and pre-president suggested that quote iran shiai militias aren't a whole lot better than the islamic state end quote continuing in 2016 weas called russia a terrorist state and said that quote russian corruption has been described as one of the country's chief exports weas joined cnn in april 2017 i'm gonna close all these other tabs now here's foreign policy you can go down to here that's enough of that nonsense right that's enough of that nonsense just wanted to read you that i closed the comment as well right because unfortunately there are simpletons there are shills there are people living in their echo chambers that read this crap from supposed credited sources people who they call journalists that they really don't know are not journalists they're neoconserver propagandists or corporate propagandists or socialist propaganda propagandists right that they have their own agenda and they use these people that made this comment on the previous video as tools right to wage war to destroy our societies right as i was gonna find you this quote but i'll find it for you as the following person states okay okay i'm gonna read you this article i've quoted this article this quote in a few of my few of my articles in the past and stuff on my blog it was gonna actually i'm gonna find them but i forgot right so this is a quote from malchomex and this quote is much larger okay but quote if you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing and that's an extract from let me see if i can find the full art full quote unfortunately i didn't look at it um i didn't find it i have the full quote on my blog site but really with it own i don't want to go through checking it out finding it right keep that in mind keep that in mind now we're gonna find we're gonna talk about some real information right now we've already read a couple of some articles look at some uh what do you call it videos a couple of videos and stuff like this but i want to start off with this one we're gonna follow that garbage oh what why is this down oh why is this down why is this down i didn't check this to see if it was down julien sarsch oh come on torturing julien sarsch why is this down um i wasn't expecting this article to be down let's put this in oh i'm so sorry about that gang that might have been loud my bad let me find this i'll catch up with the comments as soon as we find this i just want to lay it out for you guys there you go let's go to google see if we can find it there there we go this is what we want so sometimes the articles change their their links change up let's see if the c3 i just want to make sure it's the ah should have been there for some reason it wasn't showing up let me try it again one more time maybe it was a little glitch or it doesn't like directly being linked there oh now it's popping up goober's goober right so let me catch up with the chat this is what we're gonna read and there's videos in here and the videos are from the u1 repertoire that went and investigated to see if julien sarsch was someone being held in a western government prison that was being tortured and he went in there as an unbiased u1 representative came out in full support of julien sarsch right let me catch up with the chat and then we'll dig into this article it's just an absurd attempt to make him look insane a big amount of successful people are very journalists trying to sell his own book journalist exactly reading his Wikipedia page he's an editor for dailybeson contributed to cnn frequent national security analyst that contributes to cnn i guess that if he don't contribute what they want him to contribute they still let him contribute yeah thing is being hard to work with and other other personality flaws are being used as slide deflections or even justification for his terrible treatment for the lands of the benevolent democracies sounds like an angry conduit yeah strikes me as a status propagandist if one chooses to look at it that way interesting that for a video with 500 view views comments like that show up for for video with 500 views comments like that show up if you read another assange if you read about assange on say reddit you'll find so many comments about his personal flaws bad things his apparently done implications that he's benefiting russia etc everything to dilute the real discussion racer kill exactly reddit was hijacked a while ago like i've i've been on reddit for 12 years or so like i was one of the first people there i used to go there a fair bit i go there selectively now i used to read comments i used to contribute to comments i don't really anymore um because it's it's governed by troll farms they read it already came out like last two three years that people that were running at it they were actually going into people's comments and editing people's comments users comments so whatever you find on reddit take it with a huge grain of salt uh the news feed that you're subscribed to if you're subscribed to politics on reddit stop it don't read that crap it's filtered news world politics history science all of that all of the main subs they're garbage stop getting your main sources of news from reddit that was a long time ago if you missed the boat on reddit when reddit was grand i'm sorry there's going to be other forums coming up they're going to be phenomenal for long periods of time or short periods of time you have to be an active consumer of information if you're chasing what was your brainwash your program right stop stop stop trusting reddit and those sites and just to let you know like i'm not talking out of my ass right reddit back in the day a lot of because i was blogging a lot on politics economics and all kinds of things mathematics and stuff like this my articles back in the late 2000s you would have found them the top post on world politics the top post on politics the top top post in economics the top post on conspiracy um the top post on mathematics some of them right like some of my articles were on the front pages of reddit for about uh you would find them on a regular basis or semi-regular basis for about three four five years and then the corporations took over right okay forget reddit is still okay certain parts but be careful people say and write stuff with a reason for it always try to figure out what that or those reasons are hey chi chou hello bit monkey how are you doing everyone know how malchamex ended up yeah they hired a couple of thugs to take him out right i know this guy from muhammad ali well that means the documentary there's a couple of documentaries on muhammad ali phenomenal documentaries lions how are you doing how now how's it going i'm gonna lurk and chill chill brother chill when you are close to the truth and exposing something that's when they attack you the most if they can't beat you with facts they attack your integrity exactly copy paste or perhaps possibly uh what search engine are you using i'm using duck duck go my main search engine right now is duck duck go okay this guy duck duck go is it the best i don't know better than google okay better than google for many things what do you think will happen to usange if he gets extradited to us uh do you have any belief in a fair no no all of absolutely not no one believes in a fair trial like who believes in a fair trial in the united states especially for people like june and usange no in a democracy is about the best arguments if you educate it and have a good portion of healthy skepticism you can benefit from reading some mainstream articles germany i don't disagree with you but you better be well armed you better realize that it's not everything you read is not fact and there's most likely certain amount of disinformation in there i believe i don't want to discard big newspapers completely because you can learn how specific groups of people think and argue i agree with you right it's always good to have a have the perspective from multiple angles right but nowhere that's that perspective is coming from that person writing that comment on our previous article really the guy is is either a simpleton like really just a simpleton tool a non-player character and and npc right he's a shrill or he's selling something war wall street whatever it might be or he's working for new york times or atlantic or he's this weasel's best friend or something like this right i doubt it but i can definitely get most likely this person is a reactionary simpleton right a lot of young people on reddit where else is better to spread propaganda no and all these sites are much better for information than reddit yeah yeah reddit isn't even a shell of his former self is strictly an advertising platform yeah my expectation is he is going to a prison for life is if he is extradited my guess is he's going to be suicided he's gonna he's gonna die right okay thank you matt stylin you're welcome i'm not sure what the thank you was for but you're welcome the upvote system created echo chambers by itself is quite different from the old school type of forums where the sending opinions didn't get hidden yeah and here just to just to let you know if you know mathematics you'll know when the switch the the final name on the coffin for reddit occurred now reddit used to have the number of upvotes and the number of downvotes you could see it for everything right a few years ago they eliminated that and made it a percentage right if you know mathematics you know percentage means nothing if you don't know the absolute numbers number of subscribers to the forums and stuff is lie is bs right you know it's bs because i've posted articles some of my stuff making it to the front page of some of the forums on reddit in the past right and according to the number of it being number of subscribers on those forums and the number of views or hits the video was getting or article was getting is is a pale reflection of what it used to be right so the mathematics tells you everything right i agree find it best to treat news outlets new york times watching them as a press release from power structures that's a good way of doing it that's a good way of saying a dragon's and then you got to dig down into the into the news story but don't follow all their news stories like if people are new york times and watching if they're writing articles on julien assange abusing his kitten are you kidding me just move on from that don't waste your time reading gossip right it's useless assange is lucky if he ends up in prison yeah sticks i agree with you is this surreal to see this happening to a journalist in the free world um i'm glad you put that free world in a quotation marks is this surreal no they've done this to many other journalists in the past julien assange just happens to be the most important journalist we have had in our current iteration of civilization which would be for the last few centuries literally that's how important what he has done is okay yeah just sent you the situation on discord chicho hope you can take a look at it when you get a chance thanks again my my pleasure and trumpet and i will okay i'll try to get to it later on tonight i have some students i have to attend to after the stream at bar though how are you doing i think reddit now shows upvotes minus downvotes at least i see whole numbers like that yeah and the numbers were skewed initially they took them out they had percentages and then they introduced the whole numbers but you can't rely on that that's fake police seeming to rest each other he's coming to rest each other i hope not who could save assange we could save assange Eduardo humanity can save assange russia or china i don't think china will try to save assange i don't think russia will either in germany the biggest conservative and intellectual newspaper is frankfur lma i believe then there is a and i i think they are 100% good for non-constitutional topics interesting thanks okay let's read this article i caught up with the chat oh yeah by the way i got some snacks let me show you my snack this is let me see this is dates and cheese if i can show it to you guys check that out dates and cheese go phenomenal together okay and i got a little drink here this is blackberry uh jam and i put soda in it so it becomes like blackberry drink china will definitely not protect assange it was big empanama papers oh did they release a lot of stuff on empanama papers then write on then that's a not a bad source if they would want to okay okay i'm going to read this article and we're going to watch the videos embedded in the article and this is coming from a real journalist and this is his name let me get you get you the link okay this is this is the article we're about to read okay what kind of cheese it's uh it's not asiago it's um oh sorry it's asiago it's like it's dry okay it's it's strong flavor and it goes phenomenal with dates dates and cheese are amazing together like they're phenomenal together dry strong cheese crumbling it's got sort of the same texture as parmesan but a little bit more bit more moisture more moisture hey jacobi how are you doing also dates going to give you that blood sugar spike definitely i'm a huge date eater date is one of the most staple diet of foods i have in my diet china always stay apolitical and international matters not affecting them fruiting cheese go well well together any sweet and salty cheese combo hmm yeah i'm sorry for the ignorant question but how come we're discussing massage not too well versed in this whole controversy i know the basics the reason we're discussing a jacobi is because he's the most important journalist we have had in our current iteration of civilization he's one of the most he's the most important journalist for the last few centuries i don't know the journalist previous to this right i maybe maybe i'll say for the last since i've been you know following hardcore politics for the last 40 years right i started following politics my teens right early teens so the most important journalist that we know of and the powers that be in the united states and the uk and different western countries they're going after him right we have to ask ourselves why are these cia fbi white house uk uh canada why are these governments going after this person that it that is holding power accountable and he's come up with a platform because of technology with wiki leaks has came at a time where social network media has kicked into high gear and gone online and provided a platform for whistleblowers to anonymously leak information from either governments or corporations that are conspiring to harm humanity he is ridiculously important any new source that you're following that doesn't cover julien assange on a regular basis i don't mean on a monthly basis i mean at least do one main news story in-depth news story per week that shows at least three or four times during the week preferably once a day find a different news source julien assange what's happening to him is one of the most important things taking place currently if you want to follow politics economics or history can we look at this article you shared last time oh the link doesn't come up which article was that a la if you take the title i can i should be able to find it but i definitely want to go through this because we looked at the garbage what the garbage news was saying now we're going to look at what real news is saying okay have you guys discussed edward stern during these streams a very little dragons what would be a possible motivation for treating assange badly while in captivity i get him to die right he's off your hands right oh he died it's over right he won't make the news one of the most important figures of recent decades the man is a hero should receive your presidential pardon which is never going to happen i know yeah okay torturing julien assange steven parrot okay now i'm gonna put the hopefully this thing's not gonna allow me to read the shats okay i'm moving this guy over a little bit let's see how our thing looks good enough that way the whole article is showing up okay bring obstruct spain investigation into cia spying on assange oh that one yeah for sure i got a feeling this might cover ah this might not cover it so basically the article that all of us talking about is this one let me find it it julien assange where is that article oh yeah cia this one spain cia surveillance okay so if we open this one up let's just open this one up we'll read the first paragraph and i'll give you guys a link here's the link for it thanks a lot for bringing this up it's pretty important because any court case that involved this would come out the court case would have been dismissed right this one bring obstruct spanish investigation into cia spying on julien assange now some people here's the thing with uh people who are triggered who are reactionary some people will look at this and say oh this is from the world socialist website and they'll dismiss this whole thing they won't bother looking past this right this is fact this has come out like it's just this source i picked out for sharing the information right if you do a search cia spying on julien assange spanish cia spying on julien you'll find all the information right so here's the article and this came out october 26 2019 in a blatant quote in a blatant attempt to obstruct justice british judicial authorities are stemming stemming stymying stymying wow that's a cool word stymie okay i'm going to read that again quote in a blatant attempt to obscure justice obstruct justice british judicial authorities are stymying an investigation into the u.s central intelligence agencies cia illegal spying on wikileast publisher julien assange el peso reported on wednesday that a request by spanish judge jose de la mata to interview assange via video link had been rejected by the united kingdom sent central authority last month de la mata is investigated and complained by sanchez lawyers alleging that uc global the private company hired to provide security to ecuador's london embassy illegally surveilled him on behalf of u.s authorities while he was protected with political asylum inside the building so the united states was watching julien assange 24 hours a day keeping track of who was coming going all of his paperwork they took all of his papers everything right the cia was doing this throughout the whole time i believe it's throughout the whole time since julien assange was in the ecuadoran embassy or at least since the new president came in right for the last couple of years okay so they if you're taking someone to court you can't do that that's like court case dropped out right and this thing continues okay so did i provide the link to you guys if you want to read that article yeah i did honestly the joe rogan podcast is a good news platform a joe rogan i don't mind i don't agree with everything that i see there or hear there but i listen to it more than mainstream media no bullshit no censors just honest open discussion yeah and that's one thing i like about it right rogan literally told a guest to shut the fuck up when they brought up auto industry conspiracies yeah but he's a human being so i'm okay with that he's not he's he's allowed to say that if i talk with some people i might say oh man just be quiet regarding that that's fine right he let his guests speak and elaborate on ideas unlike modern news channels who pick and choose out of context clips and someone's to force their own agendas agreed on that i'm aware of which episode and what's the context he discusses literally everything with one however wherever the conversation goes he goes with it yeah thanks for the subscribe lines very much appreciate it wait four months already did i not have a three month like two days ago i don't know lions uh oh it's rolled over into new month that's right it's a new month so thanks for four months in a row okay as far as joe rogan's concern here's a kicker right he's wrong on some stuff like for example according like he's come out and set some crap regarding boxers just talking out of his ass because he has a secondary agenda because he's a broadcaster for ultimate fighting stuff right for wwc and ultimate fighting and all that jazz right so he came out during one of his podcasts and said all boxers aren't really they couldn't hold their own here they couldn't hold their own there which is complete garbage boxers are some of the most well-trained athletes and fighters in the world so a lot of people in the boxing community consider joe rogan to be a schmuck because he made that comment i think later on he came and apologized for it right so joe rogan is just a human being okay true boy oh yeah i'm done bring enough for conversations say okay awesome let's go back to this article olive so that's the article maybe we'll get a chance to read it but let's go through this one because this one is important because this this guy right here okay one of the most credible i'm gonna increase this guy so you guys see it better uh this guy right here is this guy right here is the yuan repertoire that looked into julien assange being tortured okay and this reporter right here this guy right here uh oh we can't see his face very well this guy right here is a phenomenal reporter follow his work and his name is steven parrot okay let me wait what's going on open link can you tap this guy hey what's going on uh here's his twitter feed i should be following him oh man i'm not following him i just read his articles here's his twitter feed okay and this guy only has 3172 followers the other person we sky the michael we sky that wrote that rag in the atlantic the garbage in the atlantic had 125 000 followers a huge portion of that is just garbage is fake right but still this proportional this is a real journalist the other guy is just gossip crap just garbage right so that should give you an idea of the state of our societies it was a way of supporting creators and you get access to potential i'll check it out on uh dragons thanks for sending on the whole though i believe the podcast zack how are you 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to noise ratio oh well i don't know if i can afford that living on a stand all of if you can't afford it take care of your own business when you can i'm going to be here for a long haul brother okay if you find what i'm doing if you're sticking around for a long haul if you find what i'm doing over the next few years and what we've done previously useful and informative when you do have the funds support this work either through patreon direct donation or whatever it is right i'm okay with that brother okay if you can't afford it take care of your business man don't go into debt okay who could really save asanj if the ones talking reason don't seem to have enough voice uh the people x let's read this article julian torturing julien asanj by steven parrot okay julien asanj so quote julien asanj has been found to have been cruelly tortured psychologically by the uk us sweden by the uk us sweden and ecuador this psychological torture has been has been critically assisted by mainstream media reacting to the reports of the possibility of senior human rights violation serious human rights violation violations against julien asanj the un special repertoire on torture nils melzer contacted the formal uh conducted the formal investigation with the cooperation of the uk government on the 9th of may 2019 julien was assessed to have the effect of torture by nil melzer a legal expert along with two medical specialists in the field of torture while the assessment was in progress nils nils nils melzer spoke to ruptly okay ruptly is a russian news agency so imagine this this didn't come out in western corporate propagandas it came out from the russian source right so let's watch this video oh hold on a second before we watch it i gotta turn on i gotta make sure that this is uh the sound thing is on here i almost forgot audio desk let me make sure that this is gonna work concerns i have expressed with regard to a possible extradition of julien asanj should united states yeah so that's worth it i want to step away and get my headphones and come back okay because i need to hear this as well sorry about that gang you can subscribe for free with twitch prime yeah if you have twitch prime you can subscribe for free i'm gonna try to make sure that this isn't very noisy amazon prime russia media sources are also unreliable but they filter a different set of stories in order to push a different agenda thus it can sometimes make note of things worth uh paying attention to yeah agreed agreed i've been following your discussion on this topic youtube and youtube and finally got uh to catch a stream i've been posting all links and videos you have showed to social media outlets to try and spread to awesome zack i'm glad you're enjoying it um and i think it was important what we did this morning like earlier looking at the the garbage that was being propagated through the corporate media right so let's take a look at this video let me bring up the chat again concerns i have expressed with regard to a possible extradition of julien asanj should the united states where i fear that he might be exposed to serious violations of his human rights uh we're here upon the invitation of the ministry of justice and i would like to thank the ministry of justice for having facilitated this visit and also for having arranged meetings with the belmarsh prison authorities this afternoon and also some other authorities tomorrow i will also be meeting with other interlocutors all day tomorrow to try to come to an assessment as to the risks of torture and a treatment that mr sanj might be exposed to i am not at this point making any statements about the observations i have made i will first communicate into the uh british authorities and then also because this is a very important case uh informed the public about my findings we have been able to uh talk to mr sanj in private this morning and to conduct an initial medical assessment and we will continue to see him for another two hours this afternoon and then we do some other authorities okay so this came out right at the beginning right and as far as the date of this article it's october 28 right 2019 so it came out just a few days ago like four days ago right so that was one of the first videos this person put out olive yeah i think i've been watching chichou for about the same period of time nice that started out with math and then i found all the other great content i am pretty new to twitch got it to watch uh chichou live that's why i don't know much about it awesome great olive thanks for being here by the way and i'm new to twitch i was like i've been here about a year and a half now i believe year and a half yeah about a year and a half right so it was a pretty steep learning curve for me learning how to live stream and stuff let's continue on with the article on the 31st of may 2019 nils melzer announced the findings of the investigation revealing that julien assange had all the symptoms of a person who'd been psychologically tortured so in the previous video he had made that decision yet here's him making a decision right visited julien assange in belmarsh prison together with two medical experts specialized in identifying and documenting symptoms of physical and psychological torture and old treatment and i i have three main concerns first i'm extremely worried that his current state of health which was alarming already when i visited him but which by now seems to have deteriorated to the point where he's no longer able to stand trial and to participate in this court hearings i'm not surprised to hear that because the psychiatrist that accompanied my mission found that his state of health was critical and that if pressure was not relieved soon that he was likely to deteriorate rapidly to a point where damage would be irreparable so secondly i'm appalled at the consistent and sustained and concerted abuse that this man has been exposed to by democratic states over a prolonged period of time and thirdly i am gravely concerned at the possibility of exact extradition to the united states where i fear he would be exposed to a politicized show trial in great violation of his human rights i have submitted formal letters to the governments of the uk the us sweden and ecuador the four countries that have been responsible mainly for creating the situation that we are facing today and i have appealed to them to refrain from any further abuse they should recognize that the way they have handled this affair is in violation of the convention against torture and that they are obliged to prevent any further violations to investigate the circumstances that led to this abuse and to provide mr asant with rehabilitation and compensation as to the findings the medical findings that we produce during this visit is that mr asant shows all the symptoms that are typical for a person that has been exposed to psychological torture over a prolonged period of time we're speaking of severe stress and chronic anxiety and severe psychological trauma again the psychiatrists warned that this pressure must be relieved urgently otherwise we will have very serious consequences and that's precisely what happened within two weeks now we can see that he's no longer able to stand trial so he's basically coming out and saying and this is in may right so may 2019 june july august september october we're five months later and this was he was saying that you are repertoire on torture was saying that june misson is showing severe signs of trauma right that he's basically like someone that's been tortured five months ago when he was still being held in prison for skipping bail right seeking asylum at the ecodorm embassy so this is during the time where he was in the uk jail and belmash or wherever it is being held under certain conditions five months later we saw him in court last week and we read an article in the last streams i can't remember if it was the last one or one previous that there's three of them actually because we had to split one of them up the second one up and we saw the condition that he was in in video the same news agency got a video of him no western news agency got a video of him no western news agency got a video of him being extra pulled out of ecodorm embassy or at the court here right that tells you what the western mainstream media is used for garbage right they're not covering this it's the russian news agency that's getting this footage right five months later he's in a way worse condition than we just what we just heard i'm just going to read a couple more comments before we continue with the article from jacoby twitch is pretty neat i watch it often i watch it pretty often glad you got it for chicho though he's a man thanks for the love brother draco we we've been here for a year and a half already and probably will be for years to come anyways let's talk about usange yeah let's talk about usange edwardo i'm recently addicted to a criminal psychological channel by dissects interrogation as the power of psychology is crazy and it's crazy that it's used for the for the evil um yeah all of the next video on the article show showing all the smearing of usange and straight up threats directed towards them is is appalling oh we're going to check it out let's check it out okay let's see what the article says okay back to the article it has been clear to quote it has been clear to anyone keenly following the julien assange case he's been subjected to many instances of unjustified abuse by prominent politicians legal authorities and mainstream media over the years we've come to think of julien as being exceptionally strong mentally but we also knew the circumstances he had to endure have been horrendous now that his mental well-being has been professionally assessed revealing to the world his suffering all the symptoms of psychological torture we can hard hardly be surprised the psychological psychological torture was publicly evident in 2010 as the video below shows shows okay so let's take a look at this video it's a seven and a half minute video attacks on wiki leaks and assange by u.s. the united states do something to stop mr. assange we're looking at that right now the justice department is taking a look at that i'd argue that it's closer to being the high tech terrorist than the than the pentagon people i frankly the the the head of wiki leaks is not a particularly credible source in my mind he's he is a you know to my mind he's a he's a criminal and he ought to be hunted down and grabbed and put on trial for what he has done information warfare is warfare and julien assange is engaged in warfare information terrorism which leads to people getting killed is terrorism and julien assange is engaged in terrorism he should be treated as an enemy combatant wiki leaks should be closed down permanently and decisively i think the man is a high tech terrorist and i think he needs to be prosecuted to the fully fullest extent of the law and if that becomes a problem we need to change the law deal with this it's pretty simple we've got special ops forces i mean a dead man can't leak stuff this guy's a traitor a treasonous and and and he has broken every law of the united states the guy ought to be and i'm not for the death penalty so if i'm not for the death penalty we want to do it illegally shoot the son of a palm up if you're listening tonight you should take this guy out have the cia take him we broke the law you don't have to act panic you can act tough and say if we catch you we're gonna hang you intelligence communities will find it all right that's what i'd like to see a little drone here to son have criminal proceedings underway that's where i think the verdict is guilty on wiki leaks wiki leaks apparently today released was described as a treasure treasure trove of infrastructure targets around the world which of course could be damaging not only to those countries but uh to us interests why hasn't the government just gone ahead and shut down the site or shut down the dissemination of his information why can't you do that well let me condemn in the strongest terms the leaks of information that have come as a result of the actions that you've just referenced national security of the united states has been put at risk the lives of people who work for the american people has been put at risk the american people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that are i believe arrogant misguided and ultimately um not helpful in in any way we're doing everything that we can't we have a very serious active ongoing investigation um that is criminal in nature i authorized just last week um a number of things to be done so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of this and hold people accountable now i'm just going to interrupt this guy this is eric holder okay for those of you that don't know eric holder look into fast and furious i believe is fast and furious the gun smuggling that he holder fast and furious i mean fast and furious i think it's Vin Diesel's movie ATF gun walking scandal okay look into this okay once you do this fast yeah it is fast and furious eric holders slam for fast and furious this this guy here under the obama obama administration with the approval of the white house sent semi-automatic automatic rifles guns across the border to the drug cartels in mexico just letting you know this guy talking about security of the united states being put at risk and doing unlawful stuff that's who this guy is right politicians this this is him right okay we continue apologies both stopping the video as they uh as they should be things that can be done and the government explored the ability to be able to seize the sites last week you were before us saying look at all the websites we seized and shut down that you can't do that in this case and on what what are the parameters that are limiting that and what are some of the actions that you did authorized to go for it's an ongoing investigation i don't want to get into exactly what i authorized but i can say that i personally authorized a number of things last week and i think that's an indication of the seriousness with which we take this matter and the highest level involvement in the united states department of justice with regard to all the tactics that we can do or can use to ameliorate the um the consequences of these actions i don't want to get into those as well but we will do everything that we can both the whole people accountable and to minimize the harm that will befall the american people well i think it's on should be assassinated actually i think obama should put out a contract and maybe use a drone or something the united states strongly condemns the illegal disclosure of classified informations so let's be clear this disclosure is not just an attack on america's foreign policy interests it is an attack on the international community the alliances and partnerships the conversations and negotiations that safeguard global security and advance economic prosperity this potential database for all of our enemies that now hangs on the internet and provides an opportunity for them to mine looking for looking for weaknesses and force protection tactics techniques and procedures who we do business with how we um how we cultivate sources all this stuff is potentially out there for people who wish to do us harm to take advantage of well this is the department of defense i mean we're not one who makes judgments about legal remedies and the appropriate recourse and all that kind of stuff but as i mentioned before we're not alone in this endeavor the fbi the doj are also investigating this are also involved in this matter and they will obviously have to make judgments about how to proceed congress can act in an expeditious and bipartisan manner to encourage and authorize the use by the executive branch of all necessary means to respond and defeat wiki leaks how is it how is it that the wiki leaks guy remains free you know back in the old days when men were men in countries were countries this guy would die of lead poisoning from a bullet in the brain and nobody would know who put it there julian saunch is a cyber terrorist in wartime he's guilty of sabotage espionage crimes against humanity he should be killed this man is an enemy of the state wiki leaks is a you know perhaps some sort of a a virtual weapon of mass destruction right the mr. assange has given aid and comfort to the enemy he's empowered the enemy he's put americans at risk he's put the allies of americans at risk this geopolitical military economic chess game that goes on constantly on the entire planet he's taken away some of our advantage and he's given it to our enemies and i wish and i hope that there's a way that we can find a way to prosecute a man like that that we can protect ourselves and if we fail to do that or even if we're successful in that and it exposes some other vulnerabilities i suggest mr. speaker that this congress take a look at some new legislation a new structure of law that's really not brought in about because of the actions of mr. assange but brought about because the actions of our enemies are terrorist enemies the foundation stone of this wiki leaks issue is an illegal act the australian federal police is going to provide the government with some advice about potential criminal conduct of the individual involved i would say about the publication of the wiki leaks information is it's grossly irresponsible i think that wiki leaks and its founder julian assange should be facing criminal charges and his website which he uses to aid and abet our terrorist enemies should also be shut down to defend our national security it's time that the obama administration treats wiki links for what it is a terrorist organization whose continued operation threatens our security shut it down shut it down it is time to shut down this terrorist organization this terrorist website wiki links shut it down attorney general holder let's continue with the article quote also in 2010 smears of julian's character started to appear he was accused of sexual misconduct by swedish authorities but later these these turned out to be bogus and no charges have have ever been made over time they have just become worse as nails melzer has pointed pointed out julien assange has been exposed to progressively severe forms of cruel inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment amounting to psychological torture and this is uh nails twitter feed right should we go there let's do it oh what's going on how do i go there uh that's right actually we'll just read it okay we won't bother jumping this um so hashtag julien assange has been deliberately exposed for a period of several years to progressively severe forms of cruel inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment the cumulative effects of which can only be described as psychological torture right seems like a useful tool to allow politicians to abandon just shut down the terrorist organizations that prove we are terrorist organizations yeah i'm just reading comments sorry okay continuing with the article quote or ordinary decent people under normal circumstances are disgusted by those who engage in psychological torture however some people are not decent the uk's foreign secretary germy hunt made it clear he didn't appreciate what nails melzer have to say but rather than denying the torture had taken place he suggested that assange had brought it on himself by hiding hiding in the ecudoran embassy and suggested nil's melzer was making inflammatory accusations and was interfering in the normal processes of the british courts so here's germy hunts twitter reply right this is wrong assange chose to hide in the embassy and was always free to leave and face justice the un special repertoire should allow british courts to make their judgments without his interference or inflammatory accusations right and then it continues quote article nil nil's melzer was quick to correct germ uh germy hunt with a strong response here's nil's melzer's response right quote with all due respect sir mr assange was was about as free to leave as someone sitting on a rubber boat in a shark pool as detailed in my formal letter to you so far uk courts have not shown the impartiality and objectivity required by the rule of law and this was again the discussion taking place was in may 2019 we're in november 2019 and a lot has unfolded since then right julien assange condition is much much worse continuing with the article quote in australia the department of foreign affairs and trade fd d fat put out a carefully worded statement suggesting the australian government hadn't been uh complicit in the psychological torture of julien assange and they they put a little statement uh continues to provide so uh department statement on julien assange the austrian just the first sentence right the australian government continues to provide active on high level counselor assistance to mr assange which they really haven't right uh continuing with the article quote again it is interesting that d fat did not deny that any torture of julien assange had taken place instead they focused on the treatment treatment he was receiving bell march prison they stated that the australian government was confident the treatment julien was receiving in the prison was appropriate in an interview with australia's abc news nils melzer clarified that he never claimed the treatment julien assange was receiving at bell march prison amounted to torture melzer explained the torture julien assange had been subjected to was to do due to the relentless public mobbing vilification intimidation and sustained judicial harassment occurring for uh ulterior motives over the proceedings so here is video from nils melzer right i'm just going to read the text from abc news abc news but it's not well the un special repertoire on torture nils melzer speaks with yev young about visiting julien assange in a highly high security london prison he says the wiki leaks founder has suffered psychological torture acclaimed the australian government has rejected okay so let's watch this video well i have three main concerns the first is really that i'm extremely worried about his current state of health which was alarming already when i visited him but which now seems to have deteriorated to the point that he's no longer able to stand trial and to participate in his own court hearings secondly i'm must say i'm appalled at the consistent and sustained and concerted abuse this man has been exposed to at the hands of the democratic states over a period of almost a decade and thirdly i'm also gravely alarmed at the risks he would be exposed to if extradited to the united states i fear he would be exposed to a politicized show trial in violation of his fundamental human rights essentially are you saying that mr assange is uh being psychologically tortured at the moment he is he he shows all the same symptoms that a person would show that has been exposed to prolonged psychological torture now i believe that's the cumulative effect of various forms of cruel and human integrating treatment that had he has been exposed to over the past years and yet the australian government has rejected any suggestion by you that it's complicit in psychological torture of mr assange and it in fact says that mr assange has told them that he's being treated like any other prisoner in belmarsh prison well he is being subjected to the same detention conditions as any other prisoner and i have never claimed that he's being physically tortured where he is being detained now um but he has been exposed through the past years to a relentless campaign of public mobbing vilification and intimidation he has also been exposed to i would say a sustained campaign of judicial harassment and by this i mean the use of judicial power and judicial procedures for ulterior motives that are not really related to the formal reason for these judicial proceedings okay let's continue on with the article activist groups anywhere that are a part of this issue i would love to support zak i'm just going to read zak comment are there activist groups anywhere that are a part of this issue i would love to support i highly recommend chicho does assange have good people around him or his lawyer's adequate the people he has now supporting him are pretty adequate he didn't for a while that's why he got stuck in london kick okay so um as far as zak the organizations i would highly recommend on my twitter feed you'll see ad mrs assange that's assange's mom on twitter being very active follow her twitter feed and she's linking up different sources where people are getting together and there is a movement growing now where people all around the world are getting together in communities and seeing having a discussion to find out what they can do for assange and some people are doing sort of movement sort of art art displays or holding up signs and stuff like this there's a whole bunch of group that got together and there was like 12 of them or something like this they had free julien assange and stuff and they were on a beach the whole day with busy beach i forget where it was where they were holding up the sun they were doing different things so there's things growing now i would recommend following either wiki leaks this is just to this is just to play if i work almost to get rid of wiki leaks i would suggest following wiki leaks on twitter following julien's mom on twitter following a hashtag free assange on twitter or julien assange on twitter and and just slowly growing from there there's a whole bunch of stuff coming up brother there's a whole bunch of stuff coming up or sister of course i'm going to have to leave exams this week whose grades go off to universities i'm applying to i'll be sure to drop in next time peace chat and chicho peace jacobi thanks for popping by and love brother okay so let's continue on with the article okay i will do that i am writing a major call i am writing a major in college so i want to get involved i will definitely do that good ol sat by okay continuing with the article quote while the australian government was critical of nil's melzer it is important to keep in mind their criticism do not directly address the finding that julien assange is indeed suffering from the effects of psychological torture given his credentials it seems likely likely they know nil's melzer is absolutely correct on so and so they can only make feeble criticism of him about what he didn't actually say to say face the uk's official response took over four months and was extremely brief essentially saying little more than quote the government rejects any allegations that julien assange has been subjected to torture in any form as a result of actions by the uk government end quote okay so here's nil's melzer okay just out the official half a page reply by the uk government of 7 october 2019 to my official letter may 27 2017 2019 and that was it that's all they're saying special repertoire and torture and that that that that was a statement they made right crazy crazy okay let's continue on with the article and just it's just a little bit and then it continues on with the on-contact interviews that assange had and again another interview that the person had on rt with rt reporters okay so quote the uk was careful to avoid julie saying julien was not the victim of torture and was not exhibiting all the signs of having been tortured and as nil's melzer had earlier clearly pointed out it is also important to point out that nil's melzer had always stated that the torture of julien assange was a collective effort conducted by the us uk sweden and ecuador just as the driver of a getaway vehicle involved in a bank robbery can be charged with a crime the uk is responsible for its part in the torture nil's melzer revealed himself to be an eloquent speaker in various informative interviews he was interviewed by chris hedges on rt let's watch this interview okay i hope this is big enough welcome to on contact okay today we discuss the judicial and psychological persecution of julien assange with the un special rapper tour on torture nil's melzer he was deprived of this status of this legal status and expelled from the embassy arrested by the british police and within three hours after six years in the embassy he was brought to court to the british court for and was convicted in a hearing that lasted allegedly about 15 minutes after he had had again about 15 minutes to prepare his defense in a very agitated state he had just been arrested after six years in the embassy he was given only a quarter of an hour with his lawyers to prepare his defense okay i'm just going to check to make sure the sound quality on this is okay uh are you guys okay with the sound on this uh let me see if you can make this a little bit bigger yeah this isn't going to work this angle so i'm just going to check chat make sure the sound is not too loud thought ecuador were the good guys at least before moreno sound is decent sound is decent okay awesome let's continue with this and all of they were the good guys uh neo cons took over ecuador and government for handing julien assange over to uk opening their doors along the uk police to come and pull julien assange out of the ecuador and embassy and julien assange having you ecuador and citizens that they betrayed one of their own citizens right they got a guarantee loan from the imf for four billion dollars that's the biggest payout for any human being that i know of right guarantee loan obviously there is sort of uh caveats in there what they can do with the money they still have to introduce austerity and stuff like this that's what we're seeing mass protests in ecuador where the ecuadoran government actually had to pick up from the capital city and move the government to another city because ecuador and citizens were marching on the capital city to overthrow the government right that's how corrupt the ecuadoran government is as soon as the president ecuador he's he loses power he's not going to remain in ecuador the odds are he's going to be on a one-way plane to the united states where he's going to seek asylum because the ecuador and people want his head okay let's listen for the remainder of the show i'm just going to i'm going to continue interacting with the chat a little bit and we're going to listen to this interview okay it's a very good interview chris edges is a phenomenal reporter okay phenomenal reporter world renowned i don't agree with everything he's he says there's ideology right but i trust him right let's see what uh nails melzer has to say about the torture of julian assange wakey leeks founder julian assange was dragged out of the ecuadoran embassy in london by british police two months ago after nearly seven years in the embassy he was incarcerated with a 50-week sentence for a bail violation in the high-security belmarsh prison in london in declining health he was transferred last week to the hospital wing of the prison he was unable to participate in his first court hearing by video link assange's physical and psychological state which includes a dramatic loss of weight and difficulty in holding a conversation came as the united nations rapporteur on torture neils melzer issued a report saying assange had undergone prolonged psychological torture melzer went on to criticize what he called the judicial persecution of assange by great britain the united states ecuador and sweden he warned that assange would face a politicized show trial in the united states if he were extradited to face 17 charges under the espionage act for his role in publishing classified military and diplomatic cables documents and videos that exposed us war crimes in iraq and afghanistan if found guilty assange could receive a 170 year prison sentence joining me from vienna to discuss the conditions of assange's detention his psychological and physical health as well as the judicial proceedings against assange is un special rapporteur on torture neils melzer so neils let's begin you visited uh julian on may 9th accompanied by two uh doctors who specialize in psychological torture um what did you find well thank you for having me yes indeed on the 9th of may i was able to visit mr assange in belmarsh prison i was accompanied by two medical experts a forensic expert and a psychiatrist both of them are specialized in in identifying examining and documenting the traces of psychological and physical torture what we found is that mr assange shows all the symptoms that are typical for a person that has been exposed to a prolonged psychological torture what we're talking about is severe traumatization uh chronic anxiety uh intense constant stress and inability to relax to focus to uh think uh in a structured straight line uh so someone who is in a constant hyper stimulated uh stage and cannot no longer relax and what are both the physical and psychological uh short term and long term effects uh and what do you attribute that psychological torture to because you have really pinned the blame on four different governments right well obviously uh you know psychological torture can have various consequences it's difficult to predict exactly how the situation will evolve what we've seen now during my visit was already alarming and what we have seen since then that has is a state of health has dramatically deteriorated as predicted by the psychiatrist accompanying my visit what would can happen obviously in a prolongation of this is that will have irreversible damage uh even on the physical level first on the uh on the psychological emotional level but then also on the physical level it can lead to nervous breakdowns or even actually then to cardiovascular uh damage that is no longer um reversible but it's very difficult to predict that with with accuracy and i'm obviously i'm not myself a doctor so i don't want to speculate where this will go what we see that today mr assange is no longer capable to participate in his own court hearings now how do we attribute this to these four countries that were mentioned in my report well mr assange has been isolated for uh about seven years in his in the uh in this room in the equatorial embassy so he's been exposed to a very controlled environment where uh his access to the outside world has been increasingly limited so the factors that could have caused such grave consequences are are basically uh identifiable with a high degree of certainty because there are no other external factors that are unknown to us we know very much what he has been exposed to so here um i have identified four main factors that i think have affected him one was certainly the uh the the the the attempt of the us uh to get assange extradited and to be able to prosecute him and in my view having looked at the records also to make an example of him uh in order to deter others from imitating what assange and wiki leaks have done uh in terms of exposing great you know big amounts of compromising information about the united states and once that's a bit of the big elephant in the room that has accompanied these case for the past decade and from this around this narrative um evolve the rest of of of the judicial proceedings that we have seen against mr assange um i i think it is is important to see that mr assange had a credible fear from the beginning to be extradited to the us and to be exposed to cruel and human integrating treatment there um i can speak more to this uh just in a moment but once we recognize that he had this credible fear obviously he would not expose himself to the swiss situation where he could be extradited to the us so when the swedes initiated um legal proceedings or a preliminary investigation against him for sexual offenses it's important to know that once the complainant had informed the police immediately after that the public was informed and assange actually was never questioned by the police before the public was informed and he learned about these allegations in the press he was in sweden at the time and immediately went to a police station himself and said could i please make my statement and participate in this um because swedish law actually even prohibits uh the publication of the name of the complainant and the suspected offender in a sexual offense case his statement was taken and two or three days later the prosecutor closed the case saying that there was no evidence for any crime having been committed at all now just a day or two later it was reopened by a different prosecutor and mr assange voluntarily stayed on in sweden for three weeks saying i'm at this disposal of the prosecution for any questions you have to ask and when he had a commitment in london and he had to leave he asked the prosecutor right here was allowed to leave which was confirmed and so he was authorized to leave and he left the country and as soon as he was basically in the u k sweden started to to ask issued a arrest warrant against him and and claimed that he had tried to avoid it to avoid questioning and they had asked him to come back to sweden for questioning and then mr assange became a little bit suspicious and asked well i thought we had dealt with this so what's the issue and he was afraid that he was just being called back so sweden could surrender him to the us and here i have to to open a parenthesis we have to know that sweden has had a history of surrendering people to the cia without any due process from sweden in 2001 i believe uh sweden surrendered to egyptian nationals who have been recognized the silent seekers in sweden without any due process to the cia on stockholm airport and they were flown to egypt and were tortured there so assange had a a a credible fear that this could happen to him and so he asked sweden to guarantee that they would not extradite him to the us if he came for questioning on the sexual offense cases sweden consistently refused to give this guarantee then assange said well i'm not going to come to sweden if you can't guarantee that but i'm going to be at your disposal for questioning through video link which sweden refused although they practiced this in multiple level cases at the same time and assange said well if you don't want to question me through video link you can come to london and question me here uh in the presence of my lawyer and the sweden again refused to do that and insisted on having him extradited to sweden and without a guarantee against further extradition to the us so that's why and it's important to understand that that's why mr assange uh was uh looked for refuge in the equatorian embassy once the extradition proceeding from to sweden uh didn't go in his favor at the supreme court in the uk so once he was about to be extradited to sweden he escaped into the equatorian embassy not because he didn't want to confront the swedish allegations but because he didn't want to get exposed to uh further extradition to the us i think it's important also to to to point out that what is called a rape uh uh allegation is not by any stretch what would be called you know rape in english or any other language than swedish in the world and i i know what i'm talking about because i do speak swedish so what this what what this rape allegation refers to an offense that um doesn't involve any violence so essentially he's being accused or alleged to have intentionally ripped a condom during consensual intercourse with a woman she says it was intention he says it was accident and so predictably this is something no one will ever be able to prove the piece of evidence that was submitted to the prosecution the condom was actually examined and did not have any dna on it from him from anyone else or from the complainant so it seems that this was just a new condom that had been submitted as evidence against him so there is no evidence that he committed any offense and still the the swedish law also prohibits the prosecution from talking publicly about sexual offenses that are under investigation and they from day one basically informed the public that mr. assange was suspected of of rape um and and so this was a clearly misleading allegation and they also refused any they went out of their way really to prevent mr. assange from taking uh from making his own voice were heard heard and to defend himself publicly against these allegations without at the same time exposing himself to a extradition to the u.s. where he had incredible fear of of being exposed there to to serious violations of his human rights so i and this whole narrative is extremely important because that dominated his his presence in the Ecuadorian embassy for for seven years we're going to take a break but before i do would you argue that this is part of a concerted judicial prosecution those are the terms that you've used kind of in concert between sweden ecuador the uk and the united states well initially ecuador obviously was was offered him refuge and asylum status and was not part of that but there are emails that have been published where the british crime prosecution service actually encourages the swedes not to get cold feet when they wanted to close this investigation and to maintain that pressure on mr. assange and the way it has been uh conducted uh i don't see any explanation on how a prosecutor could maintain an investigation like this a preliminary investigation without ever pressing charges without any uh evidence being produced unless there are some ulterior motives great when we come back we'll continue our conversation about julien assange with un special rapporteur neils melzer i think it goes into commercials now oh no he's going back straight into it cool let's continue with it welcome back to on contact we continue our conversation about julien assange with un special rapporteur on torture neils melzer so talk a little bit about your concerns about extradition and you are i believe a lawyer also uh legally the arguments that have seen him now serving a 50 week prison sentence so both from the legal standpoint what's happening to him now and your concerns about extradition to the united states well first of all i believe it's important to understand that uh the the prison sentence that he is serving now relates to him violating the bail conditions that the british courts had established at the time in relation to the extradition request by sweden uh so so sweden had asked for his extradition because of the sexual offense cases and then when he was about to be extradited he he violated the bail conditions to seek asylum that was given to him by the ecuadorian state and maintained for almost seven years so when when the president of ecuador decided one day he let me just interrupt it's the there was a change of president so this was lenin merino right lenin merino was elected in 2017 so when he came to office he sought more you know to to to uh to approach the us and to get a better relationship with the us and it seems that part of this uh uh uh you know uh rapprochement was to to to get assange extradited to to the us and and so uh merino uh one day decided that he would uh uh terminate the asylum status off julian assange and also suspend his citizenship the same day on 11th of april without any announcement without any due process uh he was deprived of this status of this legal status and expelled from the embassy arrested by the british police and within three hours after six years in the embassy he was brought to court to the british court for and was convicted in a hearing that lasted allegedly about 15 minutes after he had had again about 15 minutes to prepare his defense in a very agitated state he had just been arrested after six years in the embassy he was given only a quarter of an hour with his lawyers to prepare his defense the lawyer during the the legal the defense council during the hearing uh submitted a a a file to the judge saying that one of the judges had a strong conflict of interest because her husband had been exposed by the cliques uh and and so there there was a conflict of interest that needed to be investigated so he has an objection against his hearing the the the judge brushed this aside apparently and immediately said i you know uh complained how how dare you defense council accused one of our judges of a conflict of interest convicted mr rassange immediately and called him a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own self interest now you have to know during this hearing mr rassange had said nothing except i plead not guilty so how could he be a narcissist that cannot be get beyond his own self interest so clearly the judge had brought a prejudice a bias with him into the courtroom and displayed a a clear a bias against mr rassange now in the sentencing hearing a little bit later i think it was the the first of may he was sentenced to 50 weeks in prison which is just shy of the maximum of one year in prison that you can get for by bail violation and the court the judge said that this was one of the gravest violation imaginable of of bail conditions and although the the lawyers had submitted a thick file again with mitigating circumstances saying look mr rassange really had a credible fear of of being extradited through the us so he apologized for violating the bail but he just explained why he did so and that he was actually given asylum by a state for six six plus years and the judge actually refused to take that into account as mitigating circumstances and sentencing close to the maximum so again it shows that disproportionate sentencing and a bias against him where normally a bail violation would lead to a fine and perhaps in a very grave case to a short prison sentence so that's what we see in the uk courts now again the elephant in the room being extradition to the us uh it is very important to hear that we speak about the risks that he would be exposed to in case of extradition to the us personally i'm convinced there is no chance he would get a fair trial in the united states and why do i say that well fair trial certainly generally requires a presumption of innocence now i don't have to explain to you what is the public opinion about the julian a chance in in the us after almost a decade of unrestrained i would say public morbing and you know intimidation calls for his assassination uh an instigation to violence against him uh he's been exposed to public ridicule he has by including by you know serving officials and former officials of government uh by by you know prominent uh uh personalities so there was an unrestrained companion of public mobbing has been exposed to and so there is it's very difficult for him to get a unbiased impartial court hearing the fair trial also requires legality that he's actually being charged for something that is punishable now if you look at the 17 of the 18 charges around the espionage act and all of them relate to activities that any investigative journalist would conduct and would be protected under i believe it's the first amendment of the u.s constitution under the freedom of press and freedom of expression and then the 18th charge uh the so-called hacking charge doesn't relate to him doesn't claim that he actually hacked a computer to receive information but he obtained all of the information he published by someone who had full clearance so he as any other investigative journalist said it's just received this information may have perhaps encouraged the source as any journalist would do to give him the information and then published it and the hacking charge relates only to him having unsuccessfully attempted to help the source to break a password that would have allowed her to cover her traces her tracks but he didn't succeed so there was no damage done and then i believe the maximum sentence for this type of offense would be about five years in prison now clearly if it wasn't an unsuccessful attempt if punishable at all it would be at the lower range of these five years of imprisonment or even just to find now i don't see any possibility politically that mr assange would be acquitted in the u.s or that that he would receive a very light sentence of you know say six weeks in prison and then he would be released i think that's utterly unrealistic especially when we see the the specific court the so-called espionage court in the eastern district of virginia where he has been charged my understanding is that there has been no defendant that has been acquitted there of national security charges we have seen chelsea manning who was actually the source of the information assange published had been sentenced originally to 35 years in prison a sentence that would usually be given to a a a leading war criminal in the hake um now luckily she has been pardoned by by obama in the last week of his of his in office but it shows the kind of sentence that probably would would be given to to to assange and it also needs to be pointed out that a fair trial requires equality before the law and now we're in a government prosecutes a whistleblower and let alone a journalist for having exposed serious crimes by government agents we're talking about war crimes and these war crimes are not being prosecuted at all but the source is being prosecuted and faces punishments like life in prison without parole and the worst-case death penalty um then there's something that the government really loses any credibility in legal terms and moral terms and in political terms and it might that's where i say prosecution then becomes persecution because there is no longer the rule of law there is no equality before the law there is no transparent court proceeding when you're having secret you know grand jury and secret sessions uh the debating uh classified evidence it's these are proceedings that are fundamentally skewed against the defendant and i don't think uh julien assange would get a fair trial in the first one to point out number one he's not an american citizen he's an australian citizen although i think as you have pointed out australia has kind of dropped the ball in terms of uh protecting an australian citizen secondly wiki leaks is a news organization that is not based in the united states so i think there's even the legal question of how he can be charged uh under the espionage act again i'm going to ask you as an attorney do you think julien assange committed a crime personally i from the evidence i have seen i don't think so uh perhaps you could you know you know that interpreting the you know criminal code is also always leaves a certain margin of appreciation to the judge now to be fair i think you could construct a slight offense perhaps if all the allegations are proven in relation to you know trying attempting on sex unsuccessfully to to help someone breaking a code but not succeeding it's a bit like charging someone for trying to exceed the speed limit but not succeeding because the cars too weak i don't think that makes sense from a prosecutorial standpoint even if theoretically you could construct a certain criminal energy i don't think that makes any sense at all it certainly doesn't justify the type of suffering he has been going through and and i think that he would likely face when when extradited to the u.s. i would just point out as a former investigative journalist for the new york times who published classified material in the new york times we did help our sources attempt to protect themselves that was a standard protocol i just wanted to to raise one example that is is unrelated to this case just for comparison we recently had two reuters journalists being imprisoned in me and mar for having exposed a massacre by me and marie soldiers on civilians they were sentenced to i believe 10 years in prison and served i believe one and a half years and were then pardoned at the same time though me and mar actually prosecuted to involve soldiers and sent them to i believe seven years in prison or it was the other way around they were sentenced to 10 and the others to seven but at long prison sentences and they were pardoned to after a year but still they actually prosecuted these soldiers now the u.s. has a long way from that they have not prosecuted anyone to my knowledge in relation to the collateral murder video or to the senate's committee report on torture that's an extremely good point the people who expose the war crimes chelsea manning julien assange were have been persecuted or imprisoned and we have a slew of whistleblowers especially under the obama administration who attempted to expose malfeasance fraud and crimes by the government they were all persecuted under the espionage act so i think all of your concerns about the judicial system in the united states are extremely valid i just want to close we have a few seconds left what would you recommend be the proper treatment at this moment of julien assange well clearly in my view an extradition to the s is out of the question in the current circumstances and and and and britain and sweden and ecuador have to recognize that in in how they handle this this this affair they clearly violated their convention against torture they should release mr. assange i they may question him with regard to these sexual offenses but frankly i don't think there is there's really much behind that and if if there is i think he has suffered more than his share already through that little treatment he should be released and he should be compensated and he should be rehabilitated by those things that was neils melzer un special rapporteur on torture pretty enlightening lots of great filler just give you the information on what took place post apocalypse uh just uh mentioned something manning sentence was commuted not pardoned this leaves the guilt of the crime but ends the imprisonment then thank you for pointing that out post apocalypse okay gang now we sort of have to go to the end of the stream there's a lot more information there's another video here where afshin ratasani also on rt interviewed the nils melzer and i've watched this as well it's quite good okay nils melzer gave gave various other interviews by the mainstream media noticely failed to feature his interviews prominently right some of these interiors are listed below so there's a whole bunch of interviews here there's democracy now bbc actually that at abc the real news i've watched this as well democracies now as i've watched mix cloud i haven't seen mind press and let's finish off this article let me finish off this article for the last few minutes that we're going to do the stream for so going back to the article quote nil nils melzer also wrote an important article called demasking a torture of julien assange but found that no large news outlet wanted to publish it in this article he explained how he himself had been reluctant to investigate julien assange's torch torture because he had believed there had been so there had been some because in this article he explained how he himself had been reluctant to investigate julien's torture because he had believed there had to be some truth in the many smears he had heard about julien from the mainstream media because he couldn't get this article published he was forced to publish it himself you can read it you can read this article here so i'm gonna give you the link to this main article and you can in the chat you can just go to the link from there okay on the 21st of october julien assange appeared in court and people who have known julien were shocked by his behavior craig murphy a friend who had visited julien at at the ecuadoran embassy in london was one of the one of those shocked by his appearance and we read this article in a previous live stream right regarding this this article that's being quoted right now quote until yesterday i had always been quite quite skeptical uh skeptical of those who claim that julien's treatment amount of torture even of nils melzer the un special repertoire on torture and skeptical of those who suggested he may be subject to debilitating drug treatment but having attended the trials in usbekistan of several victims of extreme torture and having worked with survivors from seara leon and elsewhere i can tell you that yesterday changed my mind entirely and julien exhibited exactly the symptoms of a torture victim brought uh brought blinking into the light particularly particularly in terms of disorientation confusion and the real struggle to assert free will through the fog of learned helplessness okay and you can find the link to that article in this article as well and we read that whole article in the previous stream right confirming craig murphy's description a rootley cameraman was able to capture footage of the disoriented confused and blinking julien assange in this footage he no longer resembles the defiant julien of the past okay so i'm just going to read a couple more comments that are posted we're going to play this video it's a two-minute video or one minute video and in this the reporter calls assange a hero um and you'll see the condition that julien assange is in and what we're going to do is next week we're going to continue our discussion we're going to do a open discussion on relationships we're going to do a math discussion and we're going to do julien assange part four because i have a few other articles that i would like to read to you guys especially the article that lists all the charges against julien assange which are all related to information revealed majority of them or a lot of them to us committing war crimes right have you read the jacobian interview with fiddle nars i don't think so tab it isn't terribly interesting but he is a genuine insider in this case tab if you can if you're on discord post that article in the political folder that we have on discord and i'll give it a look okay uk exclusive footage of assange in prison van after extradition hearing you should show that video i've seen that one as well all of i've seen that one as well i don't want to do any more searches i do have to take off in the next couple of minutes i have a couple of students i have to see but maybe i'll dig that up if you send me a reminder all of i'll dig that up and uh we'll show that in the next julien assange stream so everyone thank you for being here thank you for participating in the discussion thank you for sticking around and watching this reading this and if you're showing interest in what's going on with julien assange and for sure follow wikipedia uh it is the one in the article is it this one the the the the the the oh in the previous article i don't think it's linked up in this one all of we're standing around another prisoner has has a sort of contraband camera that they're showing the videos for okay but send me the link uh if if it's a different one or if it's the same one and we'll cover it in the next stream all of okay aside from that gang i hope you guys have a fantastic weekend here's julien assange okay last video of him that we have oh we've got to go on youtube to watch it let's go on youtube to watch it bye everyone