 How do you keep the discus back throughout the throw right? Okay, and how often do you run into that with your your coaching group? I mean, that's pretty frequent and I think what what ends up happening is like with all this stuff is that You know, how do you keep the discus back? Well what it depends on where we're talking about, you know Is it the middle? Is it right out of the back? throughout the code so just through I think You I see so many throwers lose it. In fact, I have a new video coming out. So And we talk about that because We because basically I'm gonna I'm gonna this is it. I'm gonna share with you and Trevor. Okay, because I'm So here's if I'm a leader It's this this is what nobody teaches in the throw. You got it. Everybody teaches, right? You put two fingers guys see some people who say oh, that's a preference. I think that's bullshit You got to keep your fingers together and then when you angle the thumb and you're gonna notice most guys Angle the thumb because that creates drag and that's obviously gonna be see that massive tricep you're gonna You're gonna uh, you're gonna obviously just engage the tricep more when the thumbs here And that's what you're gonna see with most elite guys that don't have funky carries like sam mattis Right, right. Yeah who turned it over. Yeah, and that's that weird carry stuff that you learn So if kids are learning to do this So the answer I think is to to learn how to keep the thumb this little cock of the hand Keeps the disc is here. It's also easier to kind of cradle it with your fingers And then it's easier to lock the disc is back and then so many kids are doing this So they get into that carry I call it carrying versus drag you want to drag the discus You don't want to carry the discus and so many young kids are like it feels like it's going to fall out And they're holding the discus fingers apart thumb up And it's like the discus is going to fall if you're just doing this Your fingers kind of do this under the discus and it becomes easier to carry. I don't know that's what we do Now does that work every time? No What what you're saying too if you think about from a muscular perspective is that you're When your thumb is like down or flat the way Sam holds it You're going to be using a little bit more upper trap And when you when you raise that thumb up the way you describe it You're going to have to be using a little bit more of your lower trap It's a little bit easier to retract your stack So the the thing that I would say with Sam is like Sam's Hand is like Alecna's left arm in the middle where he has that weird drop of his left arm and I just think that that's like Something that wasn't addressed early on and it just goes back to what we're talking about is is this is stuff where you can see it And I and I think the big picture issue is that That the high school kids that are tuning in need to recognize is that something like the left arm It might take six months to figure out how to use the left arm Just because we're trying to get them to feel like a mini wrap where they hold the left arm And then when they feel that hold position Then they actually feel okay now I feel hold now I can open it up So it might take you know for some kids it might take six months some kids It might take two weeks Right, you'll let the lay of the left arm But then when they feel that delay of the left arm now all of a sudden they can be a little bit more active with it And I think that all this stuff is progression base And if if you're a thrower you've got to understand that the disc is being behind So something that that eric just mentioned with the you know with the with the way the palm is is facing Can be a fit very quick fix for a high school kid But then you get to somebody like Jason's level or Sam's level where Maybe they feel like they're open or they that they they feel like there's not as much tension through the middle of the circle It's going to be okay. Well, maybe they're they're they're laid off the left leg Maybe the left leg's not getting to the front as quickly as it typically would And they're being a little bit lazy out of the back and now the speed of the left leg Is making that more tension Or lack of tension and when they get more speed from the left leg now the disc is back Deeper because the left side is moving faster. So it's like figuring out. Well, what level are you are you throwing? You know 138 feet or are you throwing 65 meters because it's it's different things If you can think as a thrower these progressions take years And and and that's the thing with Jason is he's committed, you know, he's you know He's gone from 138 feet and he he bought into that from a very early time frame that this takes time to develop and For the Olympic trials because of that And I think that's one of the hardest things to coach is that I was just dealing with Sam outside being you know He was super frustrated and pissed But I was like dude be patient be patient be patient be patient and as last four throws it was like murder murder murder Right. I think that this is like the the ever going theme with throwing is it's like you you trouble Through all these positions and it's understanding like where are they at as an athlete? where they at in the progression and then How can you keep them patient so that they don't jump ship so that they don't lose their minds that they aren't immature little babies