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We want to we want to Walk with you and all of that all of that jazz that you're certainly used to by now if you are a regular viewer If you aren't welcome Usually there's four of us at the moment. There's two of us We're operating at about half capacity right now. Yeah I Think we're happy to be here too. Thanks. Yeah fingers crossed Jared does appear in a moment That's pretty much all there is to say For the time being if not, I can just you know start reading press releases and Try and keep people entertained that way What excited you in space this week Ryan? Well excited me today I'll just go ahead and Start off Where did it go? I've lost it now News there we go. That's where I wanted to go the Saxavod space port has finally Gotten its launch license not launch license spaceport license, which means it can facilitate launches Which is brilliant because we've been waiting For this to happen for quite some time Wasn't there supposed to be a debuary? It's something like that. I'm sure Orbex and Scarora have both last year or both on their website said they were going to do they were going to be the first people to launch vertically from the UK in like Q2 or the first half of this year and obviously, you know That didn't happen. So it's nice to see that Saxavod Space Center has actually gotten a spaceport license from the CAA It's actually happening Although it's not Quite obvious which launch vehicle is going to be the first one from there Is it going to be square aura? Is it going to be rocket factory Augsburg? I'd like to hear your thoughts in the chat so it's It's nice to see them to be licensed, but there's no one's actually ready to launch yet. So we're still At least it appears that we are quite some distance from an actual launch happening. I Don't know when it's going to happen if it's going to happen It's exciting nonetheless because it's one less thing that has to be checked off before before launchers can take place There's high impulse as well Lockheed Martin and a BL space systems who themselves are working to return to flight There's many different companies whose names are attached to this project and yet none of them seem to be ready to launch from here Just yeah, Allison saying I don't care who it is. Just launch. I agree. I Agreed that we did that you did that and then Everyone knows what happened afterwards Hey, the launch is great. The law the launch was great the first part first stage was beautiful my stuff worked Your stuff worked But yeah, I just want to see a vertical launch from Shetland. How hard can it be just do it already? In the 2000s, you know, just launch radically perfectly fine. All right, and you have no idea Jay saying I expect RF RF a will be first their pad has certainly had the most progress Skorore's pad is nowhere near built. Orbex are still building Sutherland. So that won't be any time soon Yeah, RFA certainly does seem the most Reddiness did the most able to launch at the moment considering, you know They have a pad but still They are very much in the in the thick of it with testing so and also they're German I'm one of the UK launch provider just because you know team GB, but It'd be great to see them launch either way Everybody says it's not rocket science. Well Yeah, it is It's scheduling science. It's even more complicated GTH is asking is the space port shared use with another activity airport military, etc No, so unlike spaceport Cornwall. This isn't an airport that's had a Hanger, you know attached to the side with Lego and then they've said it called a spaceport. This one is an actual glorified fully proper Port with pads for vertically launching. This is a dedicated commercial site Saxavod is The RAF I'm sure have had history the RAF has had history throughout the entire country You know over the last hundred odd years So I'm sure there could possibly be some sort of military aspect which has existed in that in the vicinity of that area in the past However, the Saxavod spaceport as a spaceport is just that it's a dedicated commercial site for launching rockets It's not like a military base. It's not a commercial airport It's none of that it is a dedicated commercial vertical spaceport So and it's good the first of its type kind of the in the UK because you know Spaceport Cornwall is a is a commercially licensed spaceport, but it's main operation is new key airport That's what it is. It's commercially airport with a hanger attached to the side and a big apron for 747. I mean barely It baggy fits it fits just just fits Hello from starboy starbase. Hello, Jamie. Oh Dude mom's here quick cleanup. We're still waiting for Jared if you if you haven't noticed That isn't actually Jared. He isn't that emotionless today Which just We're waiting for him to get his his technical difficulties sorted out Yes, GTH exactly saying are there's they're motivated to get customers. Yes, they are they are The only way they can get funding if is through the UK space agency I imagine potentially the European space agency as well and then through commercial partners so that is the only Source of income that they can get. I mean government income. It's nice, but it's also nice to get commercial income as well I have a flick through here to see if there was anything else of interest Mainly the release that Sacks of Ward put out today is just full of quotes from Organizational figures and government figure figures and secretaries and ministers and Secretary of States and things like that so It's a lot of as you might may expect it's a lot of just kind of saying the same thing over and over again like this It's really cool. We're gonna become big space player blah blah blah blah blah So, you know general political spill John Erickson asks anyone knows what happened to with RFA expected to launch from a strange They've built an orbital pad, but it seems like no one will be using it for orbital launches As far as I knew I thought that's the if you don't know that's the Facility in Sweden, I think I Believe that was always intended to be a testing facility for RFA unless I'm mistaken. I Didn't know I at least it isn't in the back of my mind that they are intending to launch from there I always thought that would just be like, you know, they're equivalent to McGregor or whatever. So Yeah, I don't take that for for granted don't quote me on that. I'm not entirely sure but that's how I Believed it anyway and Jay saying that a swanche for RFA scrapped. They're going to French Guiana instead That would make sense with ESA. Oh look at that. That's fancy. That's new What's the the span a PLD space, that's who they called they're also going to French Guiana, so it would make sense. There's certainly a drive for commercial partners there other than Ariane space In the new the new space kind of age ESA certainly seemed to be encouraging that quite a lot So yeah, it makes sense for French Guiana to become a launch site for RFA Even if it is on the other side of the world. So yeah, hopefully that's a really long-winded way of saying no Yeah, see if they've said anything else interesting What is the space again called as Shetland? Say again What is the spaceport called Shetland? It's called Saxavord, which is the Village settlement hamlet I'm not sure everything on the Shetland is a small group of islands. So I'm not really sure I think the biggest thing that exists on the island would be a village So I'm not exactly sure how to classify what Saxavord is, but it is the it's the location So if you imagine the Shetlands, it's quite tall and like the typically top most island is called Unst Unst and then it's like right at the top north eastern part of that island Which is where Saxavord is and then a bit more east of Saxavord is where the spaceport is So it's right up It's it's essentially as far north as you can get whilst still being in the UK um There is no other land owned or operated by the UK that is Further north than the Shetland Islands. So it is as far north as you can get which means you have the most Yeah, you have the most range in order to launch It is obviously only going to be able to be polar launches without dog legs and such You obviously can't launch to the east because Europe's there and launching to the west You can't because islands there and you're launching retrograde anyway So it is just polar kinder and those northerly orbits that you can reach However, by being that far up north you have the most Possibility because you have more leverage between Greenland Iceland on one side And then you have Svalbard and Norway on the other. So it gives you some nice routes by being that far north It is it is going to be, you know, whether it's going to be wonderful I'm sure it's going to be even even better than standing In the cold in January and Cornwall and there you go You can see just how far north it is there. Thanks Dutta on google maps. It is It is incredibly far north and As I was saying you've kind of got the channel between Greenland and Svalbard there up north And you can also go along the coastline of Norway there So and it also means I forgot about the Faroe Islands It means you miss them as well because you're you're By the time you've launched you're essentially the same latitude as the Faroe Islands So that means they aren't in the way either which is very useful for for launching For launching rockets And it's essentially From Kodiak Island I think you you can get to a further a bigger range of orbits because you have the entire Pacific Ocean to launch over But it's certainly going to be Similar polar orbits that you can reach from both of these facilities It's just you know from Not encourage from Kodiak Alaska. You'll launch to the south and from Saxeville. You'll be launching towards the north But similar orbit on the clinicians By the by the time you get into orbit Yeah, it would certainly be Not a location you'd want to be in for an extended period of time I hopefully don't have to be there for an extended period of time That's cool I'm not sure if that scene had your microphone in it because people are saying that we lost you even though I could hear you No, yeah, it's probably maybe that's what it was Still figuring out the the the quirks of evie mux Jay. Yeah, I am I Would really like to be able to fly there Because then it'd be like three hours of work of flights instead of 14 hours of ferries, but you know Either way They've got to get all their equipment there too Yeah, that's that's that's another interesting thing Although to be fair rfa germany Germany has access to the north sea just barely, but they do have access to the north sea so i'm wondering if rfa are working up any kind of agreements with port authorities in germany in order to to ship by see all of their equipment Put the rocket on a barge or some or Other seafaring vehicle and be able to ship it through the north sea up to shetland Obviously, it's not the most comfortable of conditions in that particular body of water However, it would make the most sense instead of I don't know Do you reckon they could take a rocket through the euro tunnel? I don't know. I wonder if they'd even be a guy to do that You know it just depends Oh look who it is Hey, how's it going everybody? I I will not take a rocket through a tunnel I think I will I think I will hold off on that If you don't mind So it's not just through a tunnel. It's on a train through a tunnel so I'm not I'm Is that even pot? Maybe we maybe we just need to get rfa on the show and ask them point blank Are you going to be shipping it through the north sea through the choppy north sea? Are you going to be putting your rocket on a train through a tunnel under the English Channel? I don't know if I'd want to put a rocket in a tunnel So that sounds a little unless we're like pumping all the air out of the tunnel and we're going to do like a wild spin launch I must I must it's spin launch spin off Um, so that's that's a little too much alliteration for this early or late in the new sunday. I think so Um, but I mean it might be fun for all I know. So I've I've never it's behind a percent honest here Never ridden a rocket through a tunnel before so give you that kind of judgment On that there with it. So um, yeah, but hi everybody glad to be here today. Um jumping in all of a sudden What's what's up with y'all? We're we're we're did uh, we suddenly arrived at we're talking about a RAF sex aboard spaceport in Shetland islands Oh, okay so talking about some uh, some of the UK space agency and some other stuff going on going down with uh, with y'all across the pond. Is that what's up? Yeah, that is what's up Cool. Is that because of that report that just came out? uh, yeah, uh What they call the see the civil aviation authority the cAA Officially licensed the the the spaceport um, so they can do spaceport things now. I think that's what that means Um, although no one is ready to do spaceport things with them yet They can now officially do spaceport things and they won't get off by doing spaceport things without permission That's essentially what's happened today. So just just kind of a box Being being ticked off the list there is essentially what what's happened But it's it's an important box to be ticked before anything happens There is an air airfield called balta sound That's nearby Look at a little cup on me maps now It's five miles away Five miles away is probably on a different island though No, it's not it's on the same island. It's the least airport Oh, I see what you I see what you see I see what you're looking at now there are there are various Airfields dotted around although I'm not sure you can really land anything larger than a Cessna There the runway is 640 meters long. Yeah Well, you're really you're really not landing much there Hey, you just got to put a rocket on whatever you're flying that way you can You can get it in the net who needs rockets and tunnels so you could also put put a rocket on your little on your little Cessna 152, it'll be fine. I'm sure it'll be fine face it backwards USAF did that Destroyed a c-130 Oh, right when they were doing um Oh, what did they call it? It wasn't jato's um Yeah, it was It was jay. I mean it was for landing instead of takeoff Yeah, they put jato engines backwards on the c7 c 130 and we're trying to reduce roll out upon touchdown And they they hit the rockets too early and it basically fell from the sky at like six feet and Like broke the wings Oh, it's beautiful, isn't it so absolutely Absolutely gorgeous. I'm just going to check here quickly, but if I recall that the the only airport So to say Uh on on the shetland islands is sumbara airport, which is you know That's why I don't know if you can bring your map up again, but you can't really get any further south On the shetland islands for that for the largest commercial airport. So What's it called? Uh sumbara, which is spell. I don't even know how it's spelled. Let me look Uh sumb you are gh So it's kind of annoying but the the the the closest commercial airport is on the literal wrong side Of the shetland islands the spaceport is as far north as you can get and the airport is as far south as you can get And even the longest runway there is still only um Let me have a look. It's only a few thousand feet. I think It's 82 miles away two and a half two and a half hours away It's the longest runway is 4915 feet. So you still can't look around any aircraft of a sizeable size there so, you know I I I don't think flying Substantial equipment into The shetlands is going to be possible without some kind of you know Major upgrade into the sea like the japanese do and just build an airport off sea sort of off shore somewhere, but yeah, it is I I I honestly think that boats is going to be your best option and it's going to be very interesting to see how that happens How small is that island? 82.9 miles From north to south Wow And it's like two and a half hours including the ferries To wait two and a half hours Including ferries. Oh, okay. I was going to say why is it taking like what do you have because your speed limit like 20 in some parts of this And it has a spot interesting. It looks like you gotta It looks like you have to share the road with with uh sheep as well. So yeah, yeah an interesting nerdy fact about somber airport it has It's road it's main road out of the airport. You have to cross the runway. You have to drive Across the runway in order to use the airport I'm buried in throttle. Well, that's a lot of trust. I gotta say Because I would I would be that guy that would just hang a right and and just floor it and then You know do a quick handbrake turn at the other end and then floor it back and then get back on the road Yeah, is that they have a little dirt racetrack there? Maybe I I haven't looked in that particular area, but that does appear to be some sort of some sort of like BMX track or something motocross, yeah I'm trying to see what kind of planes they've got coming in and out of there Like written if you can fit 30 people on board is probably the biggest plane you have to fit here They're tiny little things No, that's not a dash eight the atr 72 or Something like that. It's probably the atr is probably the largest plane you're going to be able to fit here I'm sure someone on Microsoft flights him online has managed to land like a seven four seven eight here. So probably, you know max brakes like when they like those, um videos on the internet of people trying to land seven four sevens on Um Uh, what they called aircraft carriers There that's the word If you can go to seven four in an aircraft carrier, you can go to seven four at Sambra Although i'm not sure anyone would like to authorize that to actually happen in the real world If you could dodge a wrench you could dodge a ball Minimum cargo weight minimum fuel weight You got one shot Wow, look at this. It looks like is it pretty Up in this area because if we're going to go on if we're doing this as a road trip You know This seems like a single day kind of road trip though Oh, yeah, it only takes two and a half hours Yeah, well, I don't even know if it's going to take that long. You know what I mean so If we put you in charge of driving that uh, it's it will take probably 30 minutes I don't have my rally super stage license yet You got to get all those uh Super license points, right? Right We're working on it. We're working on it with you data Well, this is it looks like a beautiful drive Yeah Oh, there's a ferry Oh, then we're going to have to take a really hard right into the the ocean there for a little bit Square right caution water So Stephen St. Angry astronaut did that trip. He counted himself lucky as in the minority who didn't spend the whole ferry ride being sick I suppose the waters are choppy up there Yeah, as I was saying earlier, the North Sea is like, you know, not the most pleasurable of water bodies in order to you know Stay all through but I don't think they're going to have any other option Oh, there you go. There's the spaceport whole lot of nothing. That's fantastic though I got a proposal for you One to fly out of A gap Uh They'll lose my rocket. I can guarantee you Whatever you send out of there ain't coming back Right And you'll miss your flight. Anyway, that's fine That's what windows are for so it looks like That's almost it's not like an x r e f at least up there or what is what is it exactly ryan? it's actually uh kind of Old farmers fields on a peninsula that they've just kind of stuck a launch pad on and said there you go spaceport There's literally all it is, you know, I'm like I'm like all the other kind of facilities that want to get off the ground. There isn't really There isn't an r af base there before there isn't an airport. There isn't nothing It is a dedicated private commercial spaceport that's got some pounds from the uk space agency and Private investment and they've just built a launch pad in a field. Basically I imagine we're probably gonna you like when you have the um when you go to mcgregor and you get footage of the SpaceX test stands there. You have the cows running in the foreground. I imagine we'll probably have sheep running in the foreground Launches out of saxavord. It just because it is so remote yeah, you're gonna end up being like the uh the uh Watch complex on the mahiya peninsula for rocket lab. So that's gonna be uh greatly entertaining. They have sheep too there, right? Yeah, I'm sensing a theme if annenberg has cows the cows really aren't like you have to be in the right spot to be with the cows for a launch though um, but there are Dutta and I have have stood next to each other out of spot where there were cows um And they were they were mooing as the the rocket was going off. They were very confused Um, so I don't know. I don't know if those were the california happy cows because they were certainly california confused cows um, if we if we've ever noticed so With that so oh don of clarity says sheep or goats Is that just in general like what's our opinion or or would we expect to have goats there as well? I'm not sure about the quantity of goats on on the shetland islands. I'm not an expert in The wildlife all I know is that this country typically has sheep in quite a lot of places and Uh farmland up north sounds like a place where sheep would be Personally, we'd love to see some goats. It'd be pretty great. So yeah, um, mostly because the goats probably wouldn't care um In fact, I would imagine the goats would probably walk right up to the rockets and start eating them Because that's what goats do if it's not bolt if it's not bolted down the goats are going to eat it In our avail. I do agree with our avail here. Um, which is that goats are better than sheep, so There's a reason why you get called a goat, you know, like you are the goat of Of like Kobe Bryant is the goat in basketball or something like that, you know Um, you don't get called a sheep of basketball for good reason. So um, yeah So pretty cool. All right, I'm glad I came. Are they are they are they going to have screaming goats on the countdown? I hope five four three two one Ah So, well, I can tell you there'll be uh, if if there are goats there, um, they'll certainly have kids at every launch for sure Uh, let's see what you did there. That's pretty funny. You're welcome. Um, so We're making we're making friends today Yes Not a coming in Oh our avail that's a tough one right there. I don't know if we've talked about that yet But if we thought losing the vega tanks is bad wait until our our base tanks are eaten by goats ouch Um, maybe that is how the vega tanks were lost. We don't know. They just disappeared into the vast nothingness of space Yeah, did we talk about that on the episode yet? No, not yet. If you want to talk about how vegas tanks have vanished Yeah, do we even do we even technically have a Uh, what happened with that All I know is that they had tanks and then they didn't and they don't know where they went Yeah, that's the thing. They're you know, you need four of these specific tanks Um to power the fourth stage of a vega rocket Um, but apparently two of these tanks have gone missing. Um, so Yeah Yeah, that's a little bit weird um But yeah, and surely you'd have like tracking Equipment to make sure that you're you're hardly sensitive aerospace equipment doesn't go missing and just get chucked away But you know how how this even happens in the first place is just mind boggling because these things are built in you know Environments where you keep track of things I'd hug yes, but obviously not in the case of vega Legally because of itar you're supposed to Yeah, yeah, but we don't have itar in europe. That's why europe is better than the us. We don't have itar Well, I don't know uh, well we can have that debate until the the goats come home. Um, but Um, it seems that avio was doing the the production of these parts um the Area where they were being stored was undergoing some sort of renovation work at that time And for whatever reason one or the other The system that avio uses to track these parts. So they do actually do the tracking of those parts Um, just like any other aerospace company would be doing at some point those Two production tanks were not entered into that tracking system And between the start in the end of the renovations the two tanks They found that they were not Actually there, uh, and it's a really big problem you know, um Yeah that you know that uh The two tanks ended up being found. Um, so the big problem wasn't the two tanks were found It's the state the tanks were in when they were found which is that they were basically smashed So They literally had found them Of right next to metal scraps in a local landfill. Um, so Not great. Um, it also is not good because there's no way to get new tanks for this mission because all the production lines for the vega rocket are Either shut down or in the process of shutdown Um, so Yeah, there's not a lot of options that are occurring at the moment. So avio is looking to try to figure out um If they can find something, you know, there's some there's some qualification tanks that they have Uh laying around if you could possibly use But but those tanks have been sitting around for over a decade. So nobody really knows Uh, if they're going to be Able of doing that, um, they may modify the upper stage as well Um, they may take some of the vega c Parts and attach it to a vega Upper stage, which is you know, that's a complete unknown. So Holy smokes, um That would essentially turn the last vega flight into a test flight. Um, With a vain customer on it. So, uh, yeah, then it's got a good point Logistics and scheduling are hilariously hard Yes, and it and it baffles me at every company I've ever been at how difficult it is to Move equipment and track it and know where everything is with confidence Every single company I've ever been at It's silly Yeah, it is it is amazing. Um, even even the places that we work at it's just You know, it's just Makes makes no sense And I like Keith Keith's idea that they're clearly sitting in a walmart warehouse somewhere Or an amazon warehouse to get it ready for use on kiker With that so But yeah, I don't know much about what's going on with that So other than uh, the tanks were scrapped found in a landfill. Nobody knew where they were then they were found Now they can't be used and now What what do we what do we do? Because I suppose at this point europe does not have a usable rocket so Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's not good That's and I who would have thought about something like this 10 years ago even occurring I definitely would not have thought about that So, yeah, absolutely wild that this ended up actually happening. So Um Yeah, well our veil uh saying I bet the kipers satellites are extremely well tracked and cataloged. Yes, I figure Here in the united states we tend to to Have We got laws and things that make you track stuff like that. I'm not sure how the regulation and other things works um in europe But it is it is of the utmost here in the united states that anything you could weaponize is Is figured out um with that and steven lewis data. I think you could uh, uh, yeah Gtho 42 st. I'd love to see the conversation between who's done it and who found it That would have been a good one and then steven lewis I think has a good comment here, uh That you could speak to data, um, how hard is it to make a take how it's jeremy clarkson on the episode of top Here how hard could it be? Is it a composite tank? Or metal tank What one's easier? Both are vastly different composite tanks. You need a mandrel. So you basically have this like steel hotdog and you wrap it with a A bunch of carbon fiber toes and a pattern that goes back and forth and as it as it spins around You basically seal the metal hotdog inside of that that wrap of carbon fiber and then you cut it in the middle pull it off the hotdog and then join it back together metal tanks are pieces of sheet metal that are rolled or in the case of like vulcan they've got the the iso grid that's machined into them So you take material that's thick like this and you machine out the pockets and then you take that and bend it and roll it And then you have to weld all those patches together and welding takes Quite a bit of time you need to have some fixtures to make sure that the the tank is on dimension So it's it's not a trivial thing. It is it is a Very labor intensive process to make a tank either way you look at it Yeah, and then we also don't know like what the state that Uh, uh, the tooling was in it. Obviously we don't we don't know if they had basically said, okay Well, those are the last four tanks we're gonna make so now we don't need this tooling anymore So we can go ahead and just get rid of it. Um, or sell it, you know something like that. So, um I feel like that would have definitely been very helpful in determining whether Um, this really was a huge issue or not. Um, I mean it's still not this is still no trivial kind of thing That's heard So in steven lewis no 3d printers. I don't believe uh, abby. I was using uh additive manufacturing for that and I also I for Tankage it's a little bit Printing tanks is is is a lot more difficult than printing Uh What would normally traditionally be machine components for like rocking and just and things like that There's a lot of issues with porosity especially when you get to thin walls And you're basically trying to lay down a solid bead of weld that Is a continuous spiral from the opening of the bottom of the tank as you get bigger and bigger all the way up and to do that with a consistent height and thickness and no gaps and no porosity and no Uh Default or defects in the welding is very very very difficult. Just ask relativity Yeah, I was just about to say, uh, you'll notice that relativity is no longer talking about 3d printing rockets because for the most part The major components that they were, uh, they ain't So, um, yeah, they've literally completely backtracked on that. So they prove that that it's possible But it's very time intensive and it's you got quality issues that you got to fix as you go Yep, and the old adage of just because you should doesn't mean or just because you could doesn't mean you should so Um, yeah, yes. Yes, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should Of course, that's the way it works. So except in this case, I guess it's engineers Question mark scientist engineers fine line True actually, yeah, Bennett Bennett says they did chuck the tooling apparently. Oh, no, that means that they are Not, uh, gonna work with that. So that's that's like a that's like a comedy of errors. This is a shakespeare novel That's just I can hear the I can hear the uh, benny hill music playing in the background Already, which hey, benny hill is popular in europe, right? So I figure It works well. I totally got there Uh, 3d printing in space. That's going to be a bit more difficult. So, um, Yeah, you don't have any gravity to help you out. So you kind of just kind of just it squirts out of the thing and it's kind of Slopes, I guess I don't know technical term squirts out of the thing. I'm not a 3d printing expert But the the printing stuff the ink As it were comes out the printer and then it doesn't stick to anything because you know, there's no gravity. So it just floats off Well, you don't need supports for your 3d printing that way That's true. That's true. I'm actually very interested in in in space manufacturing and additive manufacturing Uh with it Bennett Bennett bringing up a great point, which is look at how difficult pigs in space was Very true. Yeah, it was it was It was Muppets, so Um, that was the Muppets Bennett. So yes, very very good. So a comedy of errors as it turns out in unfortunately With that there that is that is absolutely Amazing that something like that happened. That is definitely one of those like tell me Tell me something interesting that happened like when you're at a at a like Dinner over drinks, you know, something like that. So That that conversation starts like this Dude, you're not gonna believe this Yeah, uh, man, I I still feel really bad With them and then also too I feel I you know, I don't just feel bad for a video as well. I also feel bad For the payload the operators are supposed to go on it. This must be one of the new sentinel satellite sentinel to see Which does earth observation and does things like like data gathering for Emergency purposes and other stuff. I know I've actually I've actually used sentinel data in order to plan mountain trips mountain climbing trips I'm looking for snow and things like that along our routes So Yeah, that's um, that's that's a a significant Kindrance to whatever Field may be using that satellite. So absolute bummer Uh gtho 42. Do we know how well insured they are inside job or total loss? Great question Um Yeah, I don't know. That's a good. That's a good question Either of you know Not okay Yeah, all right. Well, all right. I guess I guess that uh Yeah, I guess they uh did that Uh Yeah, I was just I was just looking at an article uh from european space flight and uh at the end of it It says european space flight asked The european space agency a b.o. And are you on space if they would like to comment on the story but all declined Wonder why Yeah, that's a that's a real bummer for them and then uh Um jttv saying they were destroyed during a renovation. Yeah, but like what was what was the reasoning for it or Or is there any insurance on them because you can you can typically will have insurance on your payload Um, so I don't know if a company will have insurance on its spacecraft. It's rocket Especially if it's not expecting the rocket to come back um, so Yeah, I don't know. I personally don't know. Um, and I don't think uh, I don't think what happened I I don't think either of us know Any of the three of us here, um, but then it does bring up another one of my favorite dude You'll never guess what happened stories, which is was it the The NOAA satellite that fell off of a stand way back when and yes Um, duh. I don't know if you want to try to find uh Try to find the photos of that one Um, but I believe it was the NOAA N satellite in the early aughts uh that they had Uh a improper number of bolts On it to attach it Uh And it eventually stuck on the stand One of the one of the earlier starship prototypes just kind of Fainted him in in the high bay just kind of flopped over Yeah, I remember that so it's so I guess it does happen. That's everybody Yeah, no it doesn't happen from everybody Thank you, dada Insisting us. Yep. There it is. Whoops Oopsie How much did that cost More than a hundred pounds, I'd say Yeah, I think so um So the satellite by okay, so I do have it here the satellite itself About 240 million dollars Roughly, it's only the top bit that's that's actually been damaged You can save the rest of it and you'll see to redo the top bit Yeah, uh, yeah Not quite that easy Yeah, uh the total repair to the satellite by the way, um 135 million dollars So to fix that uh and then in addition to that Lockheed Martin, uh took an additional 30 million dollar charge Relating to that incident. So basically a 30 million dollar idiot fee if you will So But yeah, who is the rigor Lockheed Martin? Um, so that's what happened with that. So Uh a NASA inquiry into the mishap determined that it was caused by a lack of procedural discipline throughout the facility While the turnover cart used during the procedure was in storage a technician removed 24 volts Securing an adapter plate to it without documenting the action shame shame Oh the team the team using the cart to turn the satellite Subsequently failed to check the bolts as specified in the procedure so Whole bunch of people just doing whatever they wanted. They're like, you know what lunch is coming up. So Let's just get this going like this should take 10 minutes to turn this over so Yeah, I've got I've got stories about rockets over for over drinks one day And Or when the NDAs run out Um It's a who's going to enforce it That's true. That is true with it Um GTH saying documented or not aren't 24 missing bolts an easy spot not necessarily you'd be very surprised And uh at how easy it is to mess things up. It's actually we're really good at missing things up. So Yeah, nor they all just glad that no one was hurt that could have been a lot worse. Yeah, that's a It's not the satellites are not lightweight. I don't think people understand that Um, so it wasn't it wasn't fueled up Um, but it was still it was probably about a ton. I would imagine Um With that there so yikes so John's got a good question. What happens to NDAs when the company dies? I don't know I'm on and and and from my experience and understanding the NDA extends to whoever purchases the intellectual property In that's referenced in the subject matter Okay I don't know who that is I at least I wouldn't I don't remember who that would be So, yeah, yeah, you'd have you'd have to it's a Tangled web that you'd have to decipher in order to be able to So what are you not allowed to say? Yeah, tell us what you're not allowed to talk about. No You see that's the kind of thing I would try to do to my dad with his stuff. He did at Northrop coming on the v2 and the His his uh, I'll tell you in or you'll find out in 30 to 40 years I am an on it. I am an honest person of integrity and I am I'm still looking for a job So no, yes, that is that is an important qualifier if we're going to be honest here Yeah, air spikes like who owns your tongue data, so It's up to sale I feel like I don't know if anybody's ever seen it It was a really great screenshot of somebody from their patreon who had a patreon level of $8,000 a month And it said buy my silence and uh Yeah, I quite like that and I I would maybe want to throw that in if I were to start something like that, so Uh, be pretty funny. So, um, but y'all want to hear about some other problems that have happened Uh, because I got yeah, let's keep everything positive. Shall we? Yeah, well actually one of these is really positive. So I won't start with that one Um, but I will say that if there is a group Um that can work with it, you know to make it happen Uh You know, this is we're definitely with the right type of people here. Um, so voyager one Good friend of ours. Uh here at the show Um, beager Yeah, beager. Uh way way out there 24 billion kilometers away from us. Unfortunately It's like data system Has an error with it and jpl is currently trying working. Um with nasa to help resolve that So Essentially it can send and receive commands, but it cannot return Engineering or or telemetry or scientific data Um, so basically voyager one can say like hey, I'm here. Here's my status And I'm I'm here. Uh, so that's all it's really doing at the moment But jpl, they've got the right people working on it right now Uh, it's just really difficult because it takes a very long time to figure out whether these solutions actually work or not um A lot of the documentation on voyager one Is over is near, you know, it's over 40 years old Um, 45 over 45 years old actually at this point So most of that documentation was made not for the problems that voyager one is having right now Um, because it was not really expected to last this long So Yeah, that's pretty good. Uh, so they've got to figure out New commands to run on this computer. So basically you're developing commands For a computer that's almost 50 years old Uh that these commands didn't exist at that time So you're literally going to be running the commands for the first time on one of these computers and you're doing it And the computer is 24 billion kilometers away. So hopefully you get it right the first time Um, which by the way when you send the command to voyager one, it's going to take 22 and a half hours to get there and then For you to receive confirmation that the command has been received Uh, it'll take another 22 and a half hours to get back. So it's a roughly 45 hour Round trip. So basically send a command and then you find out in about two days whether the command worked or not and that's That's how you're going to troubleshoot your your computer there So I came I came in imagine working with somebody to fix my computer and being like, oh Okay, what do I do next and then I wait two days Uh to hear from them as to what to do and then I should do the same and then I say, okay What's next and then we wait two more days and it's like using solid works Yes, actually very good very good explanation there Yeah noted and a strong agreement With you there. That's for sure So good one data. Let's get points to data for that today Very good. Um, and then also we had the help of the JPL get an answer that started with daisy daisy Uh, thankfully no, uh, it's the void. Voyager's not that smart. So So if we did there would be a very big problem So and and people would be running away, uh, I'm sure from the console very quickly or basically Same, uh, we're now going to command it to turn off So Yeah, it wouldn't be good. Uh, but also Hubble had a problem too where we one of the gyroscopes on Hubble Uh went offline and Hubble's only got three gyroscopes left. It needs three gyroscopes in order to work Um, and during that time period That the gyroscope went down which puts Hubble in the safe mode in late november Jared Isaacman from the polaris program was basically like put me in coach And uh, I I think that's absolutely Amazing that someone would be willing to put themselves and their efforts on the line In order to do something like that And use their own money to do that, which I think is uh pretty cool. Um, but folks at nasa worked on it ended up getting helpful back online and It's continuing to it. It's uh restarted its science work about a week ago and That's a normal with it. They just had to do a little finangling with gyroscopes on board and make them work and Yeah, Hubble's back up and running and uh, yeah, we're super excited about that. So how how is Hubble's performance hanging hanging on It being what 30 years old? 25 years old 20 years old Well, it's it's all based on the instrumentation that's on board. Uh, and the last Servicing mission was in 2009 Uh, that's when the last update to the instrumentation on board of Hubble was Uh, so for the most part that instrumentation is still working um So Yeah I don't really I don't really know how to say much more other than it's still working. So The other day and you know for context the last time Hubble was serviced The most recent windows operating so windows operating system was windows 7 The newest iphone was the iphone 3g s maybe You know like the iphone 4 didn't exist yet the last time they sent people to service Hubble and Yeah, it can still do such amazing things and I know, you know, it it's Quite often said that that we went to the moon with A less powerful computer than what you have in your pocket, right? Like we don't need incredible You know Technology in order to do incredible things in space But still it's important to note that since 2009 technology has advanced So far and yet we haven't been back to service it mainly because we haven't been able to and now we can yeah, but My my point is over time electronics in space don't tend to fare very well That's another important point So it Even though the systems that are on it are sufficient for purpose Over time pathways get irradiated by Photons from the sun and things like that that make things start to not work anymore So it's it's constantly exposed to radiation spaces a very hostile environment to both humans and metal and composites and electronics and Over time all of those things will start to break down and I'm just curious how much How worn the Hubble is does it look like one of curiosity's wheels or is it still still cranking and and doing everything Just like it was fresh out of the factory It is obviously not factory fresh Because after over a decade or nearly a decade and a half in space with the new systems It is not going to be factory fresh But it is still working pretty darn good well enough that we can use it to perform co-observations with j-dub and still Still get excellent performance out of it so that we can have that very Very fine detail between it and j-dub to then compare with so j-dub is not an instrument that you can Take lightly I guess that's how I would describe it at this point And then also there's some there's some wiggle room built into it, right? It's just like with j-dub, you know, I saw a couple weeks ago somebody posted imagery about the About the micrometeoride impacts on the mirrors of j-dub and that they were like, oh my god Look at all of this. It's you know, this what a terrible design. I can't believe that this is so bad You know telescopes not going to be able to handle this while I'll let you in on a little secret here Um, they they kind of anticipated that and they built the telescope to be able to work Even under condition even under the worst possible micrometeoride impact conditions If you could imagine which are in order of magnitude worse Then what j-dub has gone through so Yeah, there are people who think about these things And these people tend to Be very good at what they're doing as well And uh, I I'm excited to see if Jared Isaacson really does follow through on his idea of going up to service Hubble because I would love would love to hear about the potentiality of pulling out some of those Some of those Systems that are in there the instruments and putting new better instruments in Which would be amazing. I would love something like that It's not only just extend Hubble's lifetime, but let's go ahead and upgrade Hubble again while we're at it And aero spike is asking would docking with Hubble be possible if another wheel dies? Yes, it's just science observations wouldn't be possible. It would be very difficult to do it with that It'd be very scattered in what we could do aiming would be tough tracking would be tough Yeah, so, um, if Philip be saying I can't see how you would do that without a can of the arm Um, yeah, you'd have an arm I'd imagine you probably have some kind of arm to be able to move astronauts into place and stuff like that um Because you got to have you got to have something for the astronauts to stay still on is it work So it's got handles on it. You can just grab the handles Yeah, there's that as well the doors in that area Where you open up to replace the instruments are at Um works pretty well with that. So the only place I know there's not handles Um, it's near the top of Hubble and near the The the open the aperture of the opening uh of it And I know that because uh story musgrave told me that once he said when he took me up in the arm up to the top There was nothing to hold on to so I just held on to Myself I was like, wow, okay. You're a bit crazy there. All right So Just a bit That that tracks with story musgrave. Yes, honestly the right kind of crazy Yeah, if we're talking about about that So, uh, I do believe that kind of wraps up the primary show the main show For today And you know, we can't do the show without all of you and your help That helps your help that helps help the help of the help of the show You can do it. Jared. I have faith. 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