 Hey everybody, today we're debating whether or not men today are more wimpy and we are starting right now with the yes side, in particular, Zerka, thanks for being with us, the floor is all yours. Okay, so hey guys, Zerka here, and today we're talking about our men in 2023, wimpy. I mean, this goes without saying, there's like a, every single meme on the internet is related to this topic. Our men, like let's just look at men coming out of high school, what are we seeing is dudes with bud plugs and furry tails, zoomers that are furries, letting their girlfriends get balked by other men, they're getting pegged, and this is like a common thing, they're getting pegged to impress their girlfriend that's not even theirs. I mean, they have an open relationship as they're exploring their gayness, and most of these guys aren't even gay, they're just trending, they're just going with the trend. And so, and there's the softness to it where it's like, you don't really see like 1950s macho men anymore, you see this kind of like Hunter, Avalon, mainstream media, Masonic media program, we'll call them neomales, where it's like, all they want to do is play Starcraft and they don't ever lift waste, they don't do anything manly, they don't ever like protect their tribe, they don't fight for their woman, you see their women on subways getting beaten up and they do nothing about it. And then you also look into the gynocentric world that we're in, and how in media, corporate finance, every level of society, they promote this feminization of men, you see Gillette commercials too, they know 80% of the consumer market, the women hold the credit cards, so they make even feminine Gillette curses, like razor commercials directed towards more feminine type people, because they know the world is changing, this whole, just to be masculine now is considered toxic, it's actually crazy, and they're giving us all these quotas and they're trying to push from top down, they're trying to make this whole, women can do it too, men and women are kind of equal, and women can definitely join the military, but we're not going to make them do like five fucking pull-ups, they don't have to do any pull-ups to just join, and so when you lower the standards for women to make it more equal with men, because men are smarter and stronger than women every single way, on average, it's like of course you're going to see men lack masculinity when you don't incentivize for it, also I think it's something in the water too, in the food, something's making these, like Hunter Avalon is having some kind of fluoride water every day, that made him go from right-wing trans hater, right, like the good old days, to and I you know I think that was bad, I think he was a very evil person for hating the trans community back in his day, but now he's like had enough of that soy, Florida, Atrazine water, now Hunter's become this, I'll let anyone bang my wife type attitude, I don't know if he does that, but he's definitely on board with people being in open relationships and acting totally feminine, and it's like when you think of your most confident moments in life, it was when you were the most masculine, when you think of the moments in your life where you had the least depression, anxiety, despair, it was when you were the most masculine, but now they're encouraging us to be little wimps and it's kind of stupid that we're pretending, well maybe it's not out there, the question is not have men become wimpy, it's the real question is why, because we all agree they've become very wimpy, especially since World War II, when men were men, but yeah I'll give it off to someone else and make America great again. Okay, am I next? We'll switch it over to Alex, the floor is yours as well. Yeah, you're next Alex. All right, cool, so I figured it would be very appropriate for me to wear my hardcore Russian hat, which I got for filming a video that we're going to do pretty soon, we're going to pick up girls as a Russian spy, but I think this is very appropriate for the topic, I'm going to keep my speech very short, I'm going to make three points why I think men are definitely wimpier today, and I think several of them are very objective, first of all testosterone levels are lower than they've ever been for the average male, this is scientifically undeniable, they don't test on this, and on average men have very low testosterone levels now compared to they used to have, testosterone is directly correlated to just roughly how manly you are, of course it's not the only metric, but definitely plays a role, you take a guy who has very low testosterone, he's going to be less manly than the guy who has higher testosterone, that's the first metric. The second metric is the insult rates, they're just way higher than they've ever been, we're at about 25% of men under 30, report never having had sex back in the day, in 2008 I think it used to be like 8%, so yes, so men are not having sex, which again, because while women are not finding them attractive, the testosterone levels are lower, and the third metric, this one may sound somewhat subjective, but every single girl I've ever interviewed, which is dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, hundreds have all said the same thing, men today are becoming wimpier, they're not manly enough, I like a guy who's masculine, a lot of these guys are not that masculine, and that's certain enough, that's why I'm single blah blah blah, so I'm coming at it from the anecdotal perspective, and also from a scientific perspective, why men are definitely wimpier today, that's basically what I'm saying, I can take off my Russian hat. You got it, thank you very much for that opening, we are going to kick it over to the no side as well, but if it's your first time here at Modern Day Debate, want to let you know folks, we're glad you're here no matter what walk of life you are from, as well as, if you haven't yet hit that subscribe button, we have many more debates coming up here at Modern Day Debate, and with that, thank you very much to the no side for being with us, the floor is all yours, Hunter. Sure, well first and foremost, thanks so much for having me on here, so I know I'm on the no side of things, but I'm kind of more or less in the middle side of things, I do think that it really comes down to how you're defining wimp, so if you look at the definition of wimp, right, it just means an ineffectual, cowardly, and weak man, so weak, if we're talking about physical strength, similar to what Alex said, yes, then if we're going to measure wimpiness based on physical strength, then men nowadays are definitely wimpier, because you want to see weak, try the mirror. Okay, this is our opening as well. Calm your tits, buddy. Well, it's okay, Zerka, I know the estrogen levels are probably peaking over there, causing you to act all sorts of caddy and bitchy and whatnot, but we'll get to that in a minute. What I was getting at a minute ago was just that what Alex said is that the testosterone levels are going down, they are lower than ever before, and that's true, partially because the type of employment that men are engaged in now does not require as much physical strength, so testosterone being as high as it was isn't actually as needed as much. In cell rates, though, another good example, I also think, though, that a lot of men are quote-unquote wimpy and cowardly, because they are socialized to specifically be cowardly of themselves in a way. This idea that you need to suppress your feelings or suppress emotions is cowardly, ultimately. It might not intuitively seem that way, but it really is. It is cowardly to run away from real emotions that you are experiencing, and rather than dealing with it in a healthy way, try and just suppress it because you might make your crush a little bit turned off when she sees you getting sad. That's the cowardly approach to that. Yeah, she might leave you forever. Yeah, that's what it is. It's much better to expect just to know that. She might leave you at her, you chew her. Zerka, chill, my friend. Again, it's much better to recognize your emotions, recognize the time and the place to express those emotions, and recognize the situation, obviously, and act appropriately. The last thing I'll say is Zerka actually brought up how nowadays masculinity is called toxic. I've talked a lot about toxic masculinity. Specifically, I will concede right away that there are quite a lot of dumb talks on Twitter who, yes, they will say anytime a man does anything they don't like, it's toxic masculinity. But toxic masculinity, what that's really referring to is a collection of social expectations placed on men that are actually harmful to men, specifically, hey, you're a man, so you shouldn't cry or you shouldn't be showing these emotions. So in Zerka, you bring up the 1950s macho men aren't really around that much. I don't know if that's that much of a problem because a lot of those guys, although maybe they gave the appearance of masculinity and physical strength, were emotional wrecks. They were abusive towards their wives. They were overall pieces of shit. This is not necessarily the type of masculinity that I think we should go be going back to. So long story short, are men nowadays wimpier? I definitely think if we're talking physical strength, yes. If we're talking emotionally, I think that we're headed in a good direction where men are able to be less cowardly when it comes to dealing with their emotions. Unfortunately, we're not quite there yet. So there's still a lot of socialization in regards to men being wimpy. Thanks for that. We'll kick it to Ashley before we go into the open dialogue. Howdy, howdy, hi. I'm Ashley, not your everyday Ashley XOXO. So being the only female on this panel, I will just go with my take on this, obviously. I believe that masculinity nowadays is kind of defined by women, right? Arguably if a man were to be his natural self, he'd be what? More sexual, absorbent, aggressive, decisive, physically strong, competitive, successful at work, blah, blah, blah. The same traits now though are being displayed by females, and it's being considered empowering. So I don't know that it's necessarily that men are becoming more wimpy. It's just that they're actually having to match women, basically. I think that that's where this whole argument comes from. And then if we want to talk about wimpy or aka masculine, right? You would say that really the definition of masculinity, there's not like a, it's very broad. It's just saying considered to be characteristics of men, marked or having quality speeches, et cetera, traditionally associated with being men, right? So I guess my main stance would just be that it's not that men are becoming more wimpy and less masculine. It's that the world is evolving, and there is a certain group or sector of men that are having trouble keeping up and evolving with them, because whereas used to, they could be mediocre, now they actually have to be better than mediocre because more women are able to be better than mediocre. Okay? So the, the, the plane level and the bar has been risen, and you guys just have to kind of catch up. Another thing Zirka said about like, oh, well, there's so many men that love, he likes to talk about relationship styles, cucking and sexual preferences, being pegged, et cetera. I would argue that actually since the dawn of humanity, there's been a lot of hidden homosexual tendencies in men. I think that a huge thing, reason why this is becoming more prevalent or like known now is just, it's just simply technology. It's social media. It's the fact that we have all these videos and people and blogs and YouTube stories available on the internet. It's becoming more normalized, but it's always actually been a thing. I'm sorry that that threatens your masculinity though. And I guess that would just be my biggest, my, my kind of take on that. I'll pass it off. You got it. With that, we're going to jump into the open dialogue. Do want to say folks, as mentioned, glad that you're here at Modern Day Debate. We are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion and politics. We hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life and the table is set. Let's get to the main course. Zirka, do you mind if I go for this? Unmuted you Zirka. So Zirka, you should be able to all click unmute again, just so you're able to unmute yourself and that way you'll be able to talk. I will mute if everybody's talking over each other. Because if I go first, I have not at all destroyed these fucking clowns. Okay, okay, okay. All right. So first of all, this is a little bit of a random side point, but it's important one. So Hunter, you said that testosterone lowers your physical strength. That is true, but it doesn't only affect your physical strength, it affects your overall mental well-being. If you have low testosterone, you are less likely to be confident and assertive. Will you agree with me on that? I mean, if we're talking about like dangerously low levels, then yeah, that's fair. But if we're talking about like what's happening here, which is just a steady decrease of testosterone, that's much more so because of employment. Well, we're talking, well, even that's not necessarily true, but we're talking about the difference between a testosterone level between like an average of 700 and 300. 300 would be not considered like dangerously low. You're going to die, but it is twice as low. And many who go on testosterone placement therapy, and me being one of them, report that afterwards that you do feel more confident, you do feel more assertive, you do feel more grounded, right? That's just a very common knowledge for anyone who's ever taken testosterone. Because it's natural for men to have higher levels of testosterone than women, okay? When you say strong and confident, etc., etc., what does that have to do necessarily with masculinity though? I think you're mainly talking about like your sex drive and energy level. No, I'm not. Because if we could show that testosterone was directly related to your confidence in the serveness, and we can show that testosterone is low. I don't think you can though. Well, you can look that up. I'm not as concerned about that because if you're going to say that, hey, testosterone levels are naturally decreasing with every generation, this can be leading to men being less assertive, which can be detrimental, then that's fine. That's a conversation to be had. And again, I never really contested this even. I mean, yeah, the testosterone levels are going down. And if you're telling me... Is that a bad thing? Well, hold on. I'm saying if you're telling me it has... No, no, you better take a hard stance here. Is that a bad thing? No, I don't need to take a hard sense. I'm trying to finish my first point here. So hold on a moment. Here we go. What I'm saying is that if the testosterone levels are getting down to a place again where it's not healthy, then we can talk about that. But I never disagreed that testosterone levels are dropping. And if you're telling me they have problems with or can cause issues with mental well-being, then we should talk about that as well. But that's directly related to the argument. So what can we do to change that then specifically? How can we change it for men? Well, largely for men who are involved, they're dying their sleep and their physical routine, right? So encouraging people to go exercise more, we would agree on that one probably. Right. I mean, exercise a small part of it. But we're getting off to a side tangent. I'm trying to prove a point that men today are wimpier than they were back in the day. And the evidence I'm using for that is the fact that it's beyond dispute that men have lower testosterone levels. And it's also beyond dispute that testosterone is directly related to your confidence. So if you have lower confidence because of your hormones, you are going to be more wimpy. Is that not so? Do you not think that the hormone levels in men and women are actually both? Well, why don't we just look at that right now? I mean, I'm just saying, like, it's not, it's not just that. Thank you. Thank you, lady. Thank you for that. Why don't we look at, maybe it's anecdotal, but let's look at Hunter when he started YouTube. He was filled with testosterone and then it slowly kind of just, why do you always go down to these like weird insults? You realize when I started YouTube people made fun of me for looking like an anorexic twink. Like no one said I had it. No one said I look masculine. I've never been a particular masculine looking guy, but I think that this is a side point. I think that when you started YouTube, you didn't have like a defeated feminine temperament. You used to actually speak different, sound different. Yeah, it was actually like it was actually like a fan and then you started deciding to implement toxic masculine talk in your game. And then yeah, it's almost like it's almost like I took Hunters. I took Hunters fucking testosterone because I became more. Every time we have these conversations with these red pill people and you guys are so obsessed with masculinity, you inevitably end up saying something really gay sounding. It's always hilarious. But again, let's try it was the gay thing where I say you took away my testosterone. I don't know. It just sounded a little bit. It could have some innuendos there. And you're obsessed with seeing heads and weird cucking. No, but Hunter, you're a perfect example. What the fuck happened to you when you're Hunter, when you were successful, right? And a Republican, but you something, something in Hunter's psyche changed. Like maybe you just swallowed the load of my testosterone. I know what it was, Hunter. And your wife, your wife, your wife's soft. It was, it was when you were on your knees. Your wife turned you into a Democrat, right? Hunter. My wife actually, no, not at all. That's another really, really she had no influence living with her. Can we actually get back on topic? Yeah, this is, I had no. Yo, one in the chat, if Hunter's the perfect example. I had no idea that Circa was such a big fan or former fan. I'm sorry that I let you down, my friend. Yeah, no, I used to love you when you hated the trans. I think I'm kidding. A better question that I would love to ask Circa is specifically, does he believe that there are any forms of expectations regarding masculinity that could result in harm to the man? Does he think that's a thing? No, I don't think masculinity can ever be harmful to the male, ever, ever, ever. Even if your wife gets slapped on the subway by some, let's say a white guy, right? Diversity is our greatest strength, right? Someone slapped your wife and you go and fight these guys and they beat the shit out of you. That level of masculinity you displayed still was not harmful to you. It still was healthier to get your ass whooped and move and act than to be like, according to my calculations, I lost this fight. Circa, what if you just tell about the suicide rates among men in the era that we're talking about? The era that men being great, the suicide rates are the highest. How about that? I feel like you think Circa is a troll, though, is because it's like he is a troll. He's a self-admitted one, actually. I'm not a troll here. Yes, you are. You admitted it. I've listened to you say it many times. Lady and Hunter, I genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, I swear to God, you both know you guys adopt retard positions. You know your liberal thinking is retarded. He's so emotional today. My friend. I'm so sorry, dude. I thought we were actually going to have a debate. I didn't realize this was just going to be this is all I got to Circa's skyrocketing testosterone, which surely amount to a fine masculinity. I just don't know what that is. All right, I have to do this. What I'm going to do is, I mean, I'm just going to mute you guys, and then we will restart. We haven't heard from Alex. If you've got a point you'd like to make, I'm happy to have you. Otherwise, you haven't heard from Ashley for a while. It's actually a question for Ashley. Ashley, what percentage of men that you've met up with in the last four or five years, would you say we're not masculine enough to turn you on? Just give me your honest answer. She hasn't had a man in years. I've got to give. Go ahead, Ashley. What percentage, I guess. I know you love your percentages, Alex. I don't know exactly how to give a percentage. I don't know exactly what you mean. Met up with like from online dating. Yes, men that you met up with from online dating that you felt were too feminine. They didn't turn you on. They weren't dominant enough. Probably half and half, 50-50. Okay. That's a pretty good amount, right? One half, two guys is too feminine to turn you on? Yeah, I guess. I guess, see, I see what you're doing, but you'd have to like define feminine. I don't know that I would say it was feminine or that he had characteristics or traits I didn't like. Yeah. Well, it seems like your initial response was 50% when I said feminine, right? Or when I said non-masculine. Well, that's because you and I know each other really well, and I know what you mean by feminine versus masculine, arguably, but I'm just saying like for the sake of the debate. Can we define the terms? How about this? Okay. Well, yeah, I did in my opening statement. Well, you're wrong. You have, you have CNN talking. No, it was from the fucking Internet for several months. Your CNN definitions are wrong. No, it's Webster's. I'm kind of sad that we're already trailing because we were, me and Zerka were, were actually in an interesting, because Hunter, I have a quick question for you. What percentage of men do you think are too feminine to turn a woman on if you don't take a guess? I actually think 80% 80 fucking percent. I don't know. I would have a better answer for you for well, but no, I know. How many men are actually active? Hunter, Zerka, how many men would you willingly swallow a load of their testosterone for? I don't want my career to go like yours. So I'm not joining the gay side. Are they particularly masculine or feminine men? Your career. I mean, like Zerka said, you don't take any masculine. While you're being cute, why don't you admit living with your wife made you a Democrat? Well, do you want me to admit it? Just admit it. That's the only missing variable. Admit how you have like a strange fetish to hear me say that or do you want to come on? Well, he's got to go out. Hold on. I hate to do this because we have too many. Are you his wife? He's going to get a male. I enjoy muting all of you sometimes. But what I'm going to do is just to be sure we have some order, let's go to either Hunter or Alex just because just cool it down. Okay. So here we go. Three, two, one. Alex or Hunter, do you have a preference? Well, that's right. So I just clicked on mute. So you have to know. I'm good now. Yeah. Actually, this is another thing I wrote down while Hunter was giving his opening statement. So I think you're making a bit straw man argument of what it means not to be wimpy. And the way you just find is like, well, you know, it's not a good thing that men are not feel like they have to hide their emotions, but at least not me. That's not what I think it means to be masculine, right? I think it's more about having courage is being not afraid to go for what you want. In a date setting, that would mean not being afraid to kiss the girl or not being afraid to lead, which is something that women desperately, desperately say that they want more. They want guys, you know, confident, more certain. They actually, they want guys not even who are just I've got to disagree with my own. What Alex said there is you're right actually that that women do want a degree of confidence, whatever. And they also want a degree of emotional connection that a lot of guys. Yeah, women want a 2016 Hunter. They're oftentimes unable to, did I break your heart circa? Are you okay, my friend? Trader fuck. That's what you a lot of the times like we talk about how Judas get to a lot of we have to hear from. Let's go. We talk a lot about how women will initiate more divorce, which is true. But a lot of the reason for that is specifically because men are not able to meet their emotional needs, which I don't blame men for that because they are socialized to suppress their emotions. So I almost feel like we could come to middle ground here, Alex, if you're saying low testosterone rates can contribute to a lack of confidence, well, then yeah, maybe we need to start talking about healthier diets, exercising more, et cetera, et cetera, because I do that all the time. Hold on, because you need to still have enough confidence to be willing to be vulnerable at times with your partner. If you really wish to see that relationship succeed. You're talking about more about like long term relationship success, which is fine. But initially to even get your foot in the door, right? Emotional like emotional vulnerability typically doesn't start until a little bit later until you guys start. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's just define the scenario. Hold on. Let's just define the scenario. Hunter, would it be okay if I go to my fiance and let's say I lost my job? Can I be emotionally vulnerable? I start crying honey. I got fired from work. Is that okay? Can I cry in front of her right there? Is that cool? She's at your house. You come home and you start breaking down saying I lost my job and I'm really concerned. Yeah. Do you recommend I do that? I don't know if that's the kind of dynamic. I mean, if a guy wanted to do that, if that were the type of relationship dynamic, there's nothing wrong with that. Really? You think that's going to increase her arousal? Do you think that every time you talk to a partner, your goal is to increase their arousal every single time? I mean, you definitely don't want to decrease it. You're either winning her or losing her. You call your girlfriend or you're like, oh no, I can't ask for extra toilet paper. That's totally going to turn her off. Hunter, when your career completely fell off, did you cry to your wife? I'm about to go cry to my wife after this conversation because you are breaking me, my friend. Do you recommend young men do that? Honey, I lost 100 million followers because I'm afraid to get dead. I think that the notion that a man shouldn't cry and should never be emotionally vulnerable is incredibly detrimental for men's overall well-being. I'm saying for a job. You lost a job. It has been clinically demonstrated that both men and women both experience about the same degrees of emotions as in biological brain chemistry responses. Only men, for some reason arbitrarily, are expected to suppress that and never let those emotions out in a healthy way. This is a medical fact that suppressing emotion as a coping mechanism contributes to more suicidality, higher risk of depression, higher risk of emotional instability. You're more likely to be sporadic, which is a big reason why men commit more suicide. I'm not disagreeing with any of that, Hunter, but I think you're also- Oh, I know that you're not just talking to circa here in this case. Men and women also experience a different type of emotions. Men typically experience more anger and that is considered much more appropriate for a man to express than, say, sadness, right? She gets called a Karen, right? Yes, you're right, but that's- You have tons of emotions. Yes, but a lot of that is a good example of the social, like almost a problem with some of these social expectations. You're right. When a woman gets mad, she's being bitchy. When a guy gets mad, he's being passionate and tough. You're right. These are negative expectations. But what was the first thing that you just said here? Because I think that- I forgot what you had said there a minute ago. You said that you don't disagree with me, that men- I don't necessarily disagree with the argument you made about like massively, like suppressing your emotions could lead to detrimental effects to men's health. But I feel like that's completely irrelevant or in some ways largely relevant to the topic at hand. Because we can all agree that initially, in order to get your foot in the door, you have to be confident. You have to be assertive, right? And you can be as emotionally vulnerable as you want. You can be super in touch with your emotions. But if you don't have that confidence, you don't have that sadness, you're not going to even be able to get to a point where the girl wants you to be emotionally vulnerable with her. And it's if a lot of men nowadays are less confident, less assertive, they're not even able to get to that point because they can't get in their foot in the door, which kind of is explained by the fact that there's way more insults right nowadays. Like, why could that be? I mean, we can talk about technology and whatnot, but I think part of the reason is, is that men are less confident. And therefore, you know, when you're not confident- Why are men less confident? That's the point I'm trying to make this whole time. I think Alex is getting at that because testosterone is lower, we're seeing less confidence. I don't think that's the only reason. I don't even know if that's the main reason. I think it's one of the reasons. Well, I think that it is one of the reasons for sure. And I think that another one of the reasons though is also economic, that like men right now don't have the same degree of opportunity that they had prior, especially because of the labor, physical labor jobs becoming far less pertinent. That is definitely contributing to some negative effects for men as well. But when you talk about how men feel anger more whatnot, this is something that I'm not trying to pull the actually mean here. But actually, anger is a secondary emotion. So it's a real emotion, but it only stems from a more fundamental foundational emotion. So if a man is expressing anger and aggression consistently, it's oftentimes because there is an underlying more foundational emotion. Well, I don't know if insecurity would be- I think it's insecurity in a sense of inadequacy. All right. So can we all agree that men on average are less confident and assertive than in the past? Yeah, I agree a little bit on that. Well, I can agree enough, but I don't think that's entirely always a bad thing because sometimes what it meant to be assertive was you go slap your wife in the face. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about like being abusive. That's not what I'm talking about. Well, 1950s macho men, that would be kind of like in that category. Okay. That's not what I think. Again, I just want to say, I really do think it's because of evolution. Evolution is a thing we all know it's a thing. It's scientific. I think that our society is evolving to be more equal between men and women being able to have the same rights. Are you saying it's biological evolution? It is a type of biological evolution and societal evolution. It can be biological because biological evolution- Well, you just said- That's not because of our DNA, right? It's not because our DNA has evolved to have- Well, it's still a biological response. It's a biological response. It's not evolution though. When she speaks, I feel like- I can't say two different things there. Yeah, you can make an argument that's- Let's say two different things. But it's spatial evolution. It just can't be biological evolution. I could make an argument that actually evolved backwards. I can give an argument that Ashley's barely said two words and every time she does, everybody says, the woman's interrupting, but you know, toxic masculinity. To be fair, Ashley, you interrupted me before the debate even started when we were first chatting over Zoom. So that is why I was a little bit extra annoyed right away. So it is true- Ashley, did you notice- Because those- Hold on, you're still interrupting me now. It is true that I did during the debate, You could say jump on you early, and that was the time when I deferred to Alex or Hunter to speak. It wasn't because you're a woman. It's because you interrupted me before we even- Like, I think it was before we even started live streaming, and I was just amazed at how you just didn't even seem to be aware of it. I wasn't aware of it, and I am having trouble hearing, so I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to. I was actually referring to the chat when every time- It could be a zodiac alignment. It could be, you know, that time of the- All right, Zirco, we have to keep it within terms of service. Right. So I just wanted to- I want to go back to- Some time of the month, like, it's getting close to me. No, no, I was talking about zodiac alignments. I was not talking about periods. I was talking about zodiac alignments. I said zodiac alignment. I've read over a hundred Freemasonic literature books, and really, nobody really understands that masculine and feminine, these are temperaments. To be masculine is to be active, like the solar, like the sun. To be feminine is to be lunar. It's to be passive. Maybe that should be- Maybe when you say, like, that's that time of year or whatever, like, or that time of the month, meaning the planetary alignment thing, maybe that should be against TOS, just for being so incredibly stupid, like, sounding like the My Little Pony next episode. Perhaps it should be against TOS just for the sake of misinformation. Is it sexist if I tell this girl, Hunter, to go to the kitchen? I don't know. You identify as a boy, right? All right, so here's what I'm trying to say, okay? Please no interruptions. Hunter, you agree men have become, they've gotten softer, like yourself, right? Physically, men are not nearly as physically strong as they used to be, but I think men are also becoming a little bit more emotionally, at least stronger in the sense of recognizing- Like, can these furries hang with your grandpa? Can these furries hang with your grandpa? If your grandpa was playing cards, can these furries play, like, can they hang with your grandpa, or would your grandpa traumatize them when he starts, you know, maybe saying- Regularly thinking, do you regularly think about hanging out with a bunch of furries? Are you, wait, are you sucking their testosterone also? Dude, come on, my friend. Why don't you just make an argument now, okay? I hope all four of your audience members are hysterically laughing, but do you think our grandparents can chill with the zoomers of today? Can they even be in the same room, or would they look at them and say, what the fuck happened to these fuzzies? I don't- Are your grandparents disappointed? Why the hell would I care about if my grandparents didn't approve of that? There's people- I'm making the point that they got softer over time. Can they- There's people's grandparents that wouldn't approve that right now, they're their granddaughter, or great-granddaughters engaged to a black guy. Right, I'm not talking about- Yeah, but just if they think it's weird or crazy, or the furries look crazy, or these darn kids nowadays are different- No, but we agree they're testosterone lower. We agree they're testosterone is lower, right? Lower testosterone, sure, but that doesn't translate to being a furry necessarily. Okay, maybe I'm using extreme, but like try and get there faster, like just explore the hypothetical you fucking retard. Okay, here's the point I'm trying to make. If we all agree men have gotten softer, I guess our only disagreement would be, you guys don't think it's a government thing, right? Oh, it's a conspiracy from the government. You don't believe that, right? Well, I don't believe that, and I also don't believe that just men blanket- Wait, so you believe governments want macho men? They want them? Why would the government not particularly want macho men, men who can work labor jobs? I mean, I'm sure that they're not as pertinent, but they're still relevant for the government. Is there anything more masculine than the revolutionary spirit? Why would governments want a masculine revolutionary society that could just pitchfork them out of the fucking office? Of course they want the revolutionary spirit. They want weak consumers like Hunter Avalon, like you just stay online all day playing, you're a little stargrap. You realize there's like a hamsters in the fucking wheel. There's a lot of like socialist girls even who are all like revolutionary minded as far as thinking we need to overthrow the capitalistic systems and whatnot. Yeah, but they're women, so they'll never get it done. No, no, no, but this revolutionary spirit sounds like a random arbitrary thing you are just deciding to define as masculinity, even though having a mindset in which you are supportive of a revolution is a commonality amongst political- Maybe you need some- You need- Whether they're women or men, so I don't understand even what that has to do with it. Maybe if you study- Let's kick it over to Ashley. We haven't heard from Ashley for a while, and I do want to be fair because- What ideological- Hold on. Okay, Zirga, shut up. You're just- Yeah, you're not making any sense. Well, let's kick it over to Ashley. Or Alex, if you have any thoughts, we haven't heard from you for a while. Alex, go ahead. Okay, so it's actually a question. It goes to both you, Hunter, and you, Ashley. What is your definition of wimpy? Because I don't know if we're operating in the same definition, so I want to hear what you guys think it is. Go ahead, Hunter. Yeah, I just- I gave it at the beginning, weak, ineffectual, and cowardly, which is why I said that if we're talking about weakness as far as physical weakness, then yes, men are definitely weaker. If we're talking about emotionally weaker, I think in some ways, maybe not. But again, the expectation that men should be cowardly and suppress their emotions and hide from the way they're feeling is absolutely wimpy. So yeah, there's definitely still some wimpy expectations. Okay, Ashley, do you agree with Hunter's definition? Do you have your own? Sure, I agree. Okay, your definition is pretty close to the one I have. It's basically not strong, brave, or confident, right? Which is basically the same thing that you said. So we have agreed. Taking the being afraid to be emotional-vulnerable thing aside, which is only a part of courage, we have agreed that men today are less confident than they used to be. Ashley, according to her own admission, finds 50% of the men not to be masculine enough for her taste. So therefore, is it really a stretch to then just say men on average, on average are more wimpy? Not all men, but if we're doing averages, and if you agree that men are being less confident than they were, then therefore men are being more wimpy, according to your own description. What fucking metric are we using to measure how men are being wimpy and how they're not being wimpy? That's the thing. Other than the testosterone levels, which can we please, for the love of fucking God, move away from? What are we saying? I think this could... Sorry to cut you off, but I feel like this could lead to a really... Oh, no, please, cut me off. I feel like this could... But to be fair, okay, to be fair to Ashley, what have you got, Ashley? No, it's all good. I've been hard on you, Ashley. I do want to apologize. I want to say... No, I mean, Alex interrupted you as well, James, like hardcore in the beginning, and you didn't say shit. So that was kind of fucking out of left field, and I did take offense to it, and that was pretty shitty. You're a moderator, you're not in the debate. I'm just saying, it did piss me off. I'm over here cooling down and collecting myself. I'm not fucking crying, but I am. You got it. I appreciate you letting me know that. I don't remember when Alex interrupted me, but I will say, Alex can attest. No joke. There was a one time when Kevin Wilder, and I felt really bad about it, it was after a stream ended. I think his name is Kevin Wilder. Yeah, I remember that game. And I had a temper outburst on Kevin, which I said, I was like, okay, I jumped the gun on that. So maybe it's timing, because that's, I think, what it was for Kevin. I gave James too much of my testosterone, so we're gonna film. So basically, I hadn't noticed Alex had done it. Otherwise, frankly, I've reproved Kevin Wilder, who's a guy. And so Alex, being a guy, I don't want to discriminate based on sex. It's just that, like I said, there was one time, let's just get back into the debate. I do want to say that it is, I don't need sympathy points, and I don't need anybody to sit over here, suck my dick. But I'm just saying, like, I'm one female versus a four male panel, apparently now. So my bad. I might really disagree with you. I don't think that you're, like, without a partner. I think it might be that Hunter disagrees on, like, a subtlety, but I think generally you guys agree. And Zirka and Alex, I think there's a point. We definitely disagree. Me and Zirka definitely disagree quite a good amount. It's kind of more like a, to be honest, it's kind of like a panel. Alex agree on a decent amount too, because what I was going to do when I cut off, when I interrupted a second ago, I'm sorry. What I meant was that I'm the only female here. That's all I meant. I'm doing the same things that the males are doing, but I was the only one called out. So it's fine. Yeah. To be fair, though, like I said, I was pissed from, and I should have said it before the stream started. I was annoyed when you interrupted me prior to the stream starting. So when I noticed it during the stream, that was really like, okay, my gasket's blowing. My apologies, honestly, James, to that. My apologies. You know, I'm always super respectful to you. At least I try to be. I just let you know, like I said, it's purely just because of the pre-stream where I was triggered. But so I get where you're coming from. And then I got triggered. My apologies as well. And that's why even, just one last thing, and I'll let you guys, sorry, Hunter and Alex. I'm sorry too. I'm not really sorry to Zirka. That's why I made it clear to everybody where it was like, okay, that probably did look like I was kind of coming down on you because you're a woman. But like I said, it really was just because of the context thing that I explained in terms of before the stream. So because I agree that it looks like that. And it probably looked like that to other people. And that's why I like brought it up myself. So I don't blame you for interpreting it that way. Okay. I appreciate you, James. And I do apologize. I interrupted you. I really didn't honestly even notice it. I know you didn't even notice it. So and that's the thing sometimes a person's like planning to say another sentence right after what they just said. But the person, so go ahead, Hunter or Alex or was it actually were you finishing a point? I can't remember who was. I'm good now. I'm totally derailed. I'm going to take a minute. No problem. I can I was, I, you know, I, you know, I would like to join me because I was about to have some middle ground here with Alex, which I was simply going to join. Guys, can you hear me? May I join the therapy session with Ashley? Okay. As long as you're not going to just make fun of somebody, I want to hear what Hunter's point was. No, no. But we almost had tears there, James. I promise I'm not nearly as close to tears as you think. Go ahead, Hunter. It's just even if we were to go ahead and be like, okay, fine. Then maybe we can kind of come to some agreement here that, yeah, men today are a little bit wimpier. Maybe they do have lower testosterone and that's contributing to that. Then that's like just the very beginning of the conversation, right? Because the next step is, okay, if we're going to say that men are wimpier nowadays, why? Why is this? You talk about men being less confident. I would not be surprised if a man is having very little luck with girls, is gravitating towards in-cell beliefs, if he doesn't have a job and still lives with his parents while he's in his early 20s. That's a shitty place to be in, and now guys are having a harder and harder time achieving mobility in the economy. I mean, we see women graduating faster. Because, Zirka, you are front-line. I thought I had the insult belief. Why do women love me? Why do women love me? I have these insol beliefs. Because they're too afraid to tell you the truth, probably. What do you got, Ashley? Again, that's a conversation for another time, my friend. Yeah. Well, I think that the reason, the question Zirka's asking, the reason that he thinks or whatever that women are so obsessed with him is, I mean, I've heard him speak about it because I listened to people that I'm about to debate before I actually go on and debate them, Zirka. You're doing great. Yeah, thanks so much. You're not. Thank you, boo. Yeah, it's pretty cringe. But I think it's because he actually admits himself that he used to be this nerdy gamer, dorky type that never got chicks, you know? But then what he did is he started watching like guys like Andrew Tate and other guys that like, say these like really toxic masculine things, toxic masculine, right? Where he tells the woman like, shut up, bitch. And like, you know, I'm jealous the second I meet you. I'm jealous. And like, just all this weird possessive stuff. And he kind of goes on to say that like, that is his way using toxic masculinity as a weapon to essentially get girls into bed. Now, self-admittedly, he doesn't have any like serious like LTRs, and he's not looking for marriage right now. And he also says that when he is looking for marriage, it's going to be traditional and it's basically going to be his family is going to pick his bride for him because of his ethnic background and that's their traditions. So I would just say that like that. It sounds a lot to me like he's setting himself up for failure in that genre. And he also admits to, I mean, very self-admittedly, he says things specifically just to be polarizing, just to trigger responses and become viral. So earlier, Hunter, when you said it's this guy just a troll, yes, essentially he is just a troll the fact that he's trying to seriously debate this is incredibly humorous to me. And I will ask you a question. Are you married? I was married for 12 years. And what happened? Let's keep it on the actual topic at hand. Even though I'd love to hear about everybody's romantic life. I'm clearly going to fail with my long term. I want to know how she failed. So I avoid the failure. Well, it depends on your definition of failure, I guess would failure be that you actually did something organically for 10 to 12 years and then it didn't work out or would failure be that you Yeah, that would be the definition Hold on, just to hear her actually finish, Zirka. Or that you are actually like going through, you know, basically an arranged marriage set up by your family, which I don't know a whole lot about, but I do. I did work with several people that were in arranged marriages. It seems typically the man still gets to kind of do what he wants to do and the woman is like staying at home. Why did you lie? You said Zirka's never had long terms. Yes I have. I said, as far as I could see from your content, you haven't had some serious long term relationships. Right. I guess we would have to define that. All right, give me some advice. I want some advice. Should I be less masculine? I don't know, it just depends on what you're looking for. What are you trying to do? Are you just trying to kind of snow women over at the bar? You know, look around at the bar and just be any guy that you want to be. Just manipulate. I just want to manipulate. And yell at them and say, right before they come, tell them that they're a stupid bitch, or are you actually looking for some kind of girlfriend or you even said yourself you're not good at sex. So like, I don't know. I kind of don't take I seriously that like, it's like Myron Gaines who says the female orgasm isn't important. Guys that say they're not good at sex, I mean, I know you admit or you claim you made a woman come by yelling at her across the room. I mean. Yes, that happened. That happened. I'm sure it did. I'm sure it did. That's only happened to me a couple of times. That's only a few times. I didn't know that was a comic card. Hunter, ask your wife. I was yelled at her. Right. So now check this out. Actually, what can I do to be better at sex? I want some advice since we're going in on my personal life. Well, I mean, we really don't have to do this. We could go back to I hate to interrupt you. Oh, James, James, James, James, they try to drown me. Let her drown. Let her drown. I want to hear her advice after her 12 year failure marriage. I want to know what's the good sex. I don't know how. Well, the sex was always really wonderful during that marriage. Yeah, but even when he grabbed the ring and threw it in the ocean. Was it good then? Well, Zerka, I feel like if you're really wondering when some erotic stories being told to you, you can just look it up. I feel like your wife is literally attracted to me. Your wife is literally attracted to me. Like, literally. OK, everyone's attracted to you, Zerka. Well, we do have to move on. Not everyone, James. You've got a subway tattoo. You're definitely above me, right? You're above my pay grade. I appreciate that. That's very kind. Alex, what have you got? You look like you're in deep thought. No, I was just waiting for this little shitshow to resolve. OK, I'll move on to, I guess, answering Hunter's question. Oh my gosh, she cheated on him. What? OK, let's just let's give Alex a chance to make his case, his argument. Why didn't you show it up? No, I actually never did, Alex. I didn't. Oh, someone said it in chat, so I thought it was true. Oh, well, definitely. Then you should believe it. One said that Zerka's ex said he only lasted two minutes in bed in my dream. Well, he admits he was bad at that. I mean, I told you that was wrong. Not on topic. Go ahead, Alex. I'm telling you, Hunter's wife and my ex, they got so much in common. They're both disappointed in me. All right, let's go to Alex. That was a good one, Zerka. Nice, man. Nice. Go ahead, Alex. Anyway, so it seems like Hunter, you agreed to the premise that men are a little bit more wimpy, and I appreciate you acknowledging this. Your question was why, and I want to answer this. So I wrote down some notes while you guys were talking. So I think it's a very multifaceted thing. I don't think it's just limited to testosterone. I don't think there's one answer for it. I think it's multiple, multiple things. Here are some of the things that I think contribute to that. One of the things I hear from men that I coach is that they're really worried about being put on a girl's TikTok or Instagram. They're worried about saying something and then they're going to be called out. This is a common fear I hear over and over again. A lot of men are socializing less. They're spending more time in front of their computer instead of actually talking to people. And I think that's the key of what Rick loses. And they're following weird rabbit hole ideologies that didn't have the potential to exist 20 years ago before the internet was what it was, even 10 years ago. You can reference the social dilemma for a documentary for that. And there are literally people who believe that approaching a girl on the street will get you locked up. There's actually people who say that over and over again. They believe it. They're like, hey, I'm worried that if I go up to a girl and I say, hey, I think you're cute, I will go to jail, which obviously is pure nonsense. So I think those are some of the reasons why men are acting more wimpy today. Sure. I mean, the thing is, you can even ask James. Like I messaged him ahead of time. I was like, I mean, I kind of think that we're on the right track as far as telling men not to be cowardly when it comes to their feelings. But like, yeah, generally speaking, I think men kind of are still, you know, struggling. And if we want to say that it's wimpy, then that's fine. Really, we're on the right track. Isn't 80% of men not even sexually active? Aren't 80% of men trying to fucking kill themselves? They live in despair. What I was going to say here is that actually, well, first of all, Zirka, you cannot talk about men killing themselves when you have just denied the existence of plastic masculinity, my friend. You're denying the cause of the problem. I denied. Wait, you said that toxic masculinity isn't real. Toxic masculinity is... No, I said it's real and we need more. I said we need more of it. Okay, so it's contributing to the suicidality. No, it's not. All male suicides come from... Ashley, just a sec, let the king speak. All male suicide comes from dating women like Ashley. Like if everyone knows there's a dead end where it's like, hey, man, we're not going to make it. Marriage is not actually biblical anymore. It's just a piece of paper. We're not going to the gates of heaven together. We're not going all together and this despair fills their stomach and that's when they start cheating and becoming like you guys where like Hunter... I heard you. You don't add anything to the conversation because I'm actually trying to take you somewhere like a logical follow-through. Okay, don't take me to the room where your wife begs you. Put the sword away. Go ahead, Hunter. I'll allow you to speak now. I don't even remember. Oh yeah, that's right. You were saying that you don't think that toxic masculinity is legitimate even as far as the expectations that could be harmful to men. So I guess I'll just go back to what I said before, which is that it's a clinical fact that suppressing emotion is detrimental to your own well-being. Men are disproportionately expected to suppress their emotions. Men also are disproportionately committing suicide. We know from surveys that thousands of men all over the West, whether we're talking about Canada, the US, Australia, the UK, have admitted to suppressing emotions for the sheer sake of looking more manly. And I'm telling you right now, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You don't get to say, hey, I'm going to contribute to the disease, but I'm also going to whine about how bad we are. But it's not the disease. You're spreading the disease. It's not the disease. And you have to change it. The disease comes from the fact that men are surrounded by hoes. They know they're not getting married. They know they're growing old and alone. Whether they have a million dollars or a hundred million dollars, their wife is not a virgin. She got fucked. What I was going to say also is that there are more men now who are still living at home right now. Those are the men having the least amount of sex, which again goes back to what I was just saying. I'm not surprised if your confidence is lower. If your confidence is lower. Yeah, how are you going to go out and get a job? How are you going to have sex with a girl when you're living at home with your parents? Okay, first of all, testosterone is the number one correlating factor to success. So saying, like, whoa, maybe it's not... What's the most bullshit thing that you've ever heard of men or women? What? Look at the difference from men and women. Provide a statistic. Wait, just that there's a difference, doesn't mean you get to just claim it's all about testosterone. Honestly, you're horrible. Help me out. Help me out. Just destroy me. You don't know your stats. You are fucking misogynistic. You just say things specifically to Trigger. Hold on. Spend me your tears so I can drink them on stream. Okay. Wait, hold on. I thought you were just... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no. I can't really see that. Because you're not whining about... Shh. No, Hunter, why? Get out of there. Get out of here from Hunter. Hunter, your wife's here. You're double-teaming me, bro. Have we not heard this whole time about how testosterone levels are going down? Testosterone levels are going down? Why are we seeing more and more men who are more and more successful? We didn't have billionaires back then. We have people that are making more and more money nowadays. Be it. More and more successful nowadays. So making 100 million with crypto and some fucking NFT, but being an insoluser who's got no fucking woman, no family, that's successful? No. But I'm saying that we're also seeing... Well, that's who you're talking about. You're talking about those nerds. You're talking about those nerds. Musk, Bezos. We have people who are younger. I would have to look up the youngest, I guess the youngest million. Can we hear from Alex more this guy? There's a lot of successful men right now. I think I can birch the gap, honestly. Thank you. Zirka, the first time we had a discussion, I think you told me, correct me if I'm wrong, that you're not a fan of the stigma that exists for men to get mental health help. Is that correct? Well, yeah. I mean, my twin brother is a therapist and he told me there are actual liberal therapists who you pay them a bunch of money and they give you a liberal advice. They say sometimes you just got to pat yourself on the back. And so he has a master's degree and he said it's very scary when choosing a therapist. If you go to someone who's completely blue pill and stuff like that, you're getting scammed to oblivion. Okay, but assuming you don't go to somebody like Zirka. Assuming you don't go to someone who's blue pill, assuming you go to a therapist like your brother or someone who's competent in what they're doing, then you would not be a fan of the stigma that would exist for men to go see someone like that. They're struggling, right? Let's just go back to the example of do you tell your wife you lost your job and cry like a bitch in front of her? I don't think it works. I will be drier than this. If you lose your job, you better damn well tell your wife that and if you are going to choose to keep this. You can tell her, you're going to... Hunter, you're giving young men the advice of yeah, you can cry in front of her because you lost a job like that. No, no, no. My advice is that, hey... No, you already doubled down on that. If you're in a marriage, okay, you should be able to be vulnerable with your partner. Yeah, if you lose your job and you get emotional talking about it, your partner and all people... Then what's the... Just shut the fuck up. Then explain that the divorce... Hunter is right. We do... We have to give him a chance. I appreciate your energy and your passion, Zirka, but we do have to give Hunter a chance to finish the point. Okay, so you appreciate his energy and passion? Your partner of all people should be the one who you can confide in and can be vulnerable with. Again, it's not about crying all the time. It's not about breaking down about every single thing. It's not about... It's about having emotional intelligence. Okay? That's all. It's just recognizing the situation and acting appropriately. If you're home alone, it's a late night, you're feeling emotional and you lost your job, well, the time might be appropriate to be vulnerable. And if you feel that you can't be vulnerable with your partner, then you're in a fucking loser marriage, dude. You're in a toxic relationship. You're probably getting cucked also. Okay, we can verge the problem. Can we agree that maybe there's... That most things about masculinity are good, but maybe there's at least one thing that's probably not the best. I think that, Zirconi, you do agree that the stigma against therapy isn't a good thing, assuming this therapist is competent. So I think the point that Hunter is making is that, hey, listen, if there's a stigma, then that would technically be part of toxic masculinity, right? Even though that's not the best. But still the point is that that's one thing that's a tradition. No, he's still running from it. Yo, he's still running from it. Where, Alex, the idea... When you look at the divorce rate and how high it is, the idea that everyone is this blue pill, Zoomer, Hunter, Avalon, kind of has this trans identity going on or whatever he's got going on, everyone's like this and everyone has problems with their wife or their fiancee or their girlfriend. Everyone is breaking up and they're all doing the same thing. They're all going, honey, I lost my job in crying. But then you have these toxic types like me and when's the last time anyone left when's the last time I got dumped? Because check this out. First and foremost, wait a minute. You're not getting dumped because some woman is terrified of being thrown across your body. That's not actually to speak. Let's hear the last little bit from Zirqa and then we'll go to you, Hunter. I was just going to acknowledge like Zirqa, there's an element of truth to what you're saying. Like, there was a study that came out that showed that men who have traditional gender roles are having more sex than men who are not, right? So what you're saying is generally backed up by science and some animal goods. No, it just depends fully on what study you're talking about. Was this one on benevolent sexism? I don't remember. It's an older one, though. It was from France, too. It was a European study. But they looked at like tons of thousands of couples. France is gay. The point is, the point is, sure, I agree with you on that point, but then like going back to the therapy thing, like on that one, you do have to kind of agree that that's like unfortunate. Yeah, yeah. Talking to your therapist about losing your job is way, way more beneficial than drying up your wife till she cheats on you with a BBC. Do you know how big a black guy's cock can he keep? Okay, so second time of you saying something gay now, that's very cute. Can we go back to a second ago? So you're talking a lot about how marriages aren't working out and whatnot, but again, you're saying there's no such thing as toxic masculinity, or if there is, that there's not enough of it. You realize that a big reason why divorce happens and why women initiate it is because their emotional needs are not being met. Oh, really? Like these browsers? Because men lack emotional intelligence, because they don't even know how to navigate their own emotions, because their whole life they've been told by dumb fucks like you that shedding a single tear at their mom's funeral means their crush won't ever like that back. I didn't say funeral. I said job. Don't change it. You fall. Look how you change it. I didn't know. A lot of the times you... I didn't say funeral. Hey, I'm being hyperbolic, okay? Can you take... Okay, but that's... Get out of the kitchen, troll. No, no, that's evil. You know, technically, you get out of the kitchen, troll. If someone dies, they can cry, but like maybe don't like go overboard where you get pegged, like Hunter and his wife, go ahead. All I'm saying is again... Have you found that, Hunter? You are... Hold on. All I'm saying is again, you are contributing to the problem and then complaining about the problem. You can't do both. Pick one. No, no, you're talking to Alex and me. That's why you think it's contradictory, you fucking idiot. I'm saying there's not enough of it. My position isn't with Alex. Like I don't believe what Alex believes. I'm sorry. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought go ahead, go ahead. Then maybe, yeah, maybe I wasn't clear. Well, I think you do agree about the therapy thing, though. I think we are in agreement on that. Well, no, what I was getting out with... Well, I think we're all in agreement with that. What I was getting out with Zerka, though, was just simply that if you're talking about like men killing themselves or men getting divorced and stuff like this, talking about... Yeah, actually, let's go back to that. Yeah, talking about how men need to have more stoicism and more of these toxic expectations need to be... No, they don't need stoicism. They need pettiness. They need to be more jealous. They need to be more like me, less like you, right? I bet that sword goes soft when you hold it. You just look weak. But let me finish. Don't interrupt. Just don't interrupt. Hold on. Yes, more pettiness, right? Like a real man. So now, stoicism, that's just fucking gay, bro. Now, listen, my problem is you think that the male suicide rate has something to do with men suppressing their emotions because you read one fucking dumb liberal think-tank study, like a fucking retard. No, you just accepted the study that agreed with you a second ago. One in the chat, if you agree, all male suicide is the fault of women. Women have failed. Men feel despair. They're like, oh, I'm not having a family. And if I am, we're having a divorce and the statistics are against me and she's going to take half my wealth and blah, blah, blah. It's all from despair. The fact that you think suppressing your emotions is why they're fucking killing themselves is just fucking stupid. Oh, it's a lack of expressing emotion. If you don't know how to express, yeah, if you don't know how to express your emotions and you don't know how to deal with what you're feeling, then, yeah, it makes it way more likely that if you're partaking in that kind of a coping mechanism that you're going to commit suicide. Yeah. I want to hear from Ashley. We haven't heard from Ashley for a while. I'll go right back to you, Alex, but just because we haven't heard from Ashley for a while, go ahead, Ashley. No, no, no. I just wanted you to unmute me. I'm listening. What the fuck, Ashley? Just speak. We're back on you. Go ahead, Alex. What are you doing? Hi. He needs a pep talk. James, she needs a prop. I probably have like a middle position on this between Hunter and Zirka, but I mean, I do think that, yes, like there are for sure cases where men suppress their emotions that leads to their downfall. I can totally imagine that and I think I've heard even anecdotal stories. Yeah. What percentage, Alex, of Hunter's cases? Well, that's kind of what I'm saying right now with you. I don't think that's the biggest reason for why men commit suicide. Right? I think probably the biggest, biggest reason why men will commit suicide is despair. It's despair. I will agree with you. Yes, yes. And how, wait. And how men and women choose to, not even what causes it, but how men and women choose to act on that despair. Also, it is different. Look at them trying to frame it. Look at them trying to frame it. Like a little weasel you are. Go ahead, little weasel. Frame it. That's actually analyzing. So I'm going to half agree and change it up. I have this. Well, sir, you have this very strange idea that if something is nuanced or complicated and it kind of why is everything nuanced? Do you people suicide? When it goes to suicide, you're saying is nuanced? Yes. Why somebody commits suicide is a nuanced issue. Is this circus first baby steps in the real world? Hold on. Hold on. Wow. Congratulations. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me ask you. How do you try to be a troll and you end up just to be like a fucking idiot? Take the dildog, your ass. If you blanket all male suicide with the word despair, is that fair? Well, they would all have to spare. Would they not? But why? Yeah, that's pretty black and white. You fucking idiot. Like, use your fucking brain. Like, who would? Where do you want to spare? Where's the money? Why would they have to spare? Well, actually there's more things. There's more things. His mom didn't take some back. And actually. Zirka. Zirka. Actually, don't wait. What is the point you're trying to make right now? How many chromosomes does Ashley have? What? Wait. Can Zirka please explain what the point is he just made? If you say it's despair? You made my point for me that if you can blanket a whole demographic of people, just hang on a sec. Nice and easy. Nice and easy. If you can blanket them whole with one category of despair, you made my point for me, you idiot. That it is black and white. There's no nuance in the word despair. You're going to add it like, actually his mom didn't take them back. He's suppressed emotions. What? You're sending some suppressed emotions. Wait, a degree of which the despair. What? The degree by which you have the despair to initiate suicide is going to vastly vary. I got to kick it over to Ashley and Alex. How are you so... I got to kick it over to Alex. I'm just going to ask a question. Just to be sure to get over it. Go ahead and Alex. I was just going to say this, Zirka. But can you agree that like two people could experience the same amount of despair? One of them might kill themselves and one of them might not, based on how they deal with it. Like someone can deal with it way better than the other. So I think that's the point that Hunter's trying to make is that of course, yeah, despair is a huge part of it. But some people deal with despair in such a way that they get through and some people deal with despair in a way that they kill themselves. Ashley, any thoughts? Yeah, Zirka, can you not admit that you're just literally trolling and saying the most like just absurd things for clicks and giggles and like for the incels out there that you're just like, oh yeah, even look and say what I want. But you have absolutely zero evidence to back any of it up because that's honestly what I'm seeing. Like you're just sensational. You're literally giving the I lost speech. You must be a troll since I'm getting destroyed with the word despair. No, you are. You're entire fucking... You haven't made one point today. Everything you've said tonight? Ashley, the only good point you made, I mean the only good point we ever even talked about is that the dude after 12 years left you, right? But I'm telling you, everyone's losing control when they're losing... Challenge the argument. I'm using that moment in the chat. Don't challenge the troll. Challenge the argument. You have absolutely... You're the one who said I've never been in long term. I guess girls can't say. I said that as far as I could tell from watching your content, I haven't seen a seriously long term relationship from you. And I've watched you yourself say that that's not really your goal right now. That your goal is just to kind of... Ashley, attack the argument. Why don't you attack the argument? Is all male suicide... Why don't you stay on that point? That's all male suicide come from... Do you agree that all male suicide comes from despair? The fact that they feel alone in the world? I think that that is a very fucking stupid as hell argument. Yes, most things come from despair. Most negative things, right? Any bad feelings of myself? Any thoughts of harming myself or others? Yes, it comes from despair. I said loneliness. I said loneliness. Not until I give you... I'll give you permission in a second. I said from loneliness. You agree? No, you said from despair. Yeah, despair from being alone. That they're going to end up alone. Try and download that whole message. No, you added that later. You're lagging. Let's kick it back over to Alex and Hunter. Yikes. Idiot. Yeah, go ahead, Hunter. Let's see, if Hunter and Alex, do you have a lot of disagreement between each other? I think we only disagree when it comes to degree. I think Hunter primarily thinks that... Correct me if I'm wrong, that the main reason for all the issues that we have is because men are incapable of processing emotions. I would say that's part of the issue, but I would say that it's not the main issue. I think that's where we... So we agree. We agree about the problem. We agree about what's going on. We just disagree about the degree. And I guess there's no way I can scientifically prove that. I mean, that's kind of more like we're just going to go with the anecdotal experience. Well, it's this interesting, because we were talking a little bit about the suicide and whatnot, and Xerco is bringing up the despair thing. But a big reason why men actually commit suicide disproportionately is not even that they are necessarily disproportionately suffering from mental illness. So this really interesting statistic, 60% of American males who died by suicide had no history of mental health issues. And so the reason that men are leading in suicidality is actually because of a lack of emotional regulation and men are more impulsive. So women might be better at processing the problem, and trying to work through it. Whereas men, if they feel there's no way out, they're more impulsive, they're going to fucking take the trigger and be done with it. Well, Hunter, I don't know if that's true, because women try to kill themselves just as much as men. The big difference is that men typically succeed at it, and women typically don't. So I don't... You'd have to say that... No, it's not just as much, Alex. It's more attempts. Oh, women. So, okay. So if women are more... No, I'm just saying I wanted to... I'm not saying why. I appreciate you... I appreciate that. Yeah, I know. So if women are more suicidal, right, then that would dismiss that whole thing that men about... It just seems that men typically are... No, no, no. Because the reason they're committing suicide is going to be very different. So women, for example, might be committing suicide because of struggles in regards to body. They don't. They literally don't. Women don't commit suicide. Which is something that's far more difficult for women than it is for men. Are we going to talk about... What I'm getting at, though, is that... Well, what I'm getting at, though... Hold on, wait. What I'm getting at, though, is ultimately that the lack of emotional regulation leads to higher rates of impulsivity. So whether men are committing suicide at higher rates of women or not, men are committing suicide at high rates. We don't want men to kill themselves. So therefore, if we want men to have better emotional regulation and less impulsivity, therefore be less likely to kill themselves, we should be able to contend with this issue. Yeah, and Zerka, I'm sorry. I do have a point if I may. Yes, you may. Thank you. Thank you, Zerka. I appreciate that. You're all mighty king. But I will say that I think that part of it... And this is kind of where I'll... Again, I'm friends with Alex. Like, I watch a lot of his content. I like his content, and I'm a supporter of it for most of the... I think that you've represented yourself well tonight, Alex, blah, blah, blah. So I'm confident in saying that. A star for Alex. Yeah, Zerka, you're a fucking piece of shit troll. But what I'll say for this is that, like, Alex and people like him, not all PUA's, because a lot of pickup artists and dating coaches and that and the other that I found in the space tend to be kind of toxic. But one thing that Alex promotes, and Zerka, this is kind of... It's all gonna come together because... Hopefully. I'm sorry? I said hopefully it all comes together, right? We're taking a long way home. Are you done? Oh, yeah. Mine's short and sweet. Oh, you weren't done. Sorry, you're not? Are you? Can I... Bring it on, man. Go ahead, Ashley. Oh, thank you. Zerka, let her finish. Okay, so one thing I will say is that what... One thing Alex actually contributes to things that I've seen in the male genre, the male space, is that he advocates for men talking about how they feel, men talking about why they feel the way they do, the things that are actually affecting them emotionally, as well as physically, et cetera, et cetera. And even when he brought up testosterone earlier, right, like he was bringing it up as a way that like, hey, we need to have better diets. We need to exercise more. These are all positive things. And these are the kind of men that I can get on board with. These are the kind of men that like me as a feminist, I can be like, you know what? Like, he's right. Feminist? You're a feminist? May I finish? You? Let's hear the rest from Ashley. I'll give you another 30 seconds, Ashley, then we're going to move to anyone but John. I'm sorry, I can't hear myself. Go ahead. Oh, okay. So when I hear men like Alex and others, which I haven't really found many, in the kind of man-a-sphere type space, which is where I discovered Zerka, I actually respect that because they are going for things that are actually productive and healthy and good. And they have a well-balanced kind of sense of right and wrong and how we can fix this. Now, even if I might disagree with this person on, you know, some kind of tiny little point here and there, I can honestly say that this is not a toxic, horrible human. People like Zerka are just toxic and they're out there honestly just trying to get clicks, views and likes because of the shit that they say. And that's where I just can't get on board. And I think that he contributes to the problem. And that was the point I wanted to make about, I guess specifically the man-a-sphere, since two of the people on the panel are directly from the man-a-sphere, I thought it was relevant. Thank you. Any other thoughts from? I appreciate the kind words. Appreciate the kind words too. I just didn't think it would take an hour and a half to build on that premise. Like, I'm glad you got it done, Ashley. But you could next time just say, Zerka's a misogynist pig. You don't have to do that whole, like... I don't think you are. I think you're a phony and a fake. I think that you pretend to be a misogynist pig. But true, you're just a closeted in itself. Yo, this feminist... You just have to wait to get laid. Honestly, that's what I think. You use it as a way to play a character online. I'm not your ex-husband. I'm not your ex-husband. But in reality, you're super insecure and you're kind of overweight. You've got a dad bod and little pudgy belly and you're just kind of itchy. And you admit that you're bad in bed. So, like, these are the ways that you use... These are the things you do and say in order to get laid. Like, that's what I do. You know what's funny? It took you an hour to admit you can't battle the arguments and that you've lost and you're triggered. And I'm like, why are you triggered? Because you started by saying... Ashley, why are you mad? There's a man who spent 12 years with you. There's a man out there who spent 12 years with you. There's people who are rightfully angry that they wasted time. Hey, Zirka, is it true? Did BX Bullet really sniff your boxers? Yes. Yes, she did. No, no, no, no. That's a prank. That's a prank. That's a prank. Oh, it was a prank. Okay. No, I said it's a friend. Like, let's be honest, guys. Oh, a friend. I'm not like you guys who are like, I hide my flaws on the internet to look like Ashley. Like, hey, I had a 12-year marriage, but it didn't work. And now I'm going to give feminazi advice. I give you guys my flaws. I even tell you the girls that I've been with. That's what transparent I am. But I'm telling you, you guys are not making arguments for your side. Well, the thing is, I try to talk. Hunter, you guys conceded that men have become windier. Thank you, I guess. And now you guys just got to admit that you kind of enjoy this. You want to fit in with your little beta mills, right? You actually want to play your little... You guys probably play checkers, not chess. You guys just don't have like you. But I'm saying like, you guys want this soy world. Alex kind of doesn't. And I can't live in your world. You guys are going to hang me. I can't let you guys have power. It's just weird that you talk about how you're a big, tough Sigma Alpha... Are you saying that because I'm half black? I said it's kind of weird how you talk about yourself like you're a big, tough Sigma Alpha male because you're open about your flaws. But yet I was open about my flaws and you called me a traitor. Yeah, but hold on. Or am I... Remember, you called me Judas for leaving the right when I was open about my flaws. So it seems as though you're fine with flaws. Hunter, let's hear it right now. You give us the reason right now. On record, why did you leave the right? Give it right now. There is not one reason why. There are multiple reasons. One of them being that the right wing prioritizes your wife brainwashed you, bro. One reason being that the right wing aims to conserve tradition, even if it's at the expense of other people's rights. For example, conserving traditional marriage is more valuable to them than allowing for gay people to have their rights, their 14th Amendment rights. Oh, you're gay. That's just one reason why though, if you want me to give you some other ones, I can. You're so desperate to try to get me in a trap and you failed every time. It's not a trap, dude. No, dude. You were born in a trap, okay? You don't have the DNA for debate. I think that Zirca, I think that you are someone who is very unintelligent and I think that you come on and do things like this because it's polarizing. Don't cry, Ashley. Hold the tears then. It's depressing. I am. I'm doing a good job of that. Embrace your toxic masculinity. Maybe you want to cry tonight to be honest, not you. You're irrelevant to me. But I do think that you, honestly, truly, like you have huge insecurities and you also have these idealistic insecurities. Maybe my insecurities come up. I'm talking, do you know how to let anyone else talk? Like, I know I'm just off the China over here. I got born. All right, go ahead, Ashley. Yeah, thanks for allowing me to do this. I appreciate it so that you can actually come back to me. But I think that you are an incredibly toxic movement. Fast forward. And you do this as a way simply to try to, A, get laid. B, become kind of polarizing on the Internet. C, get likes, views and follows. Right. And you're doing a good job. Proud of you. To us. Okay. But here's the thing is that you are attracting the type of male that like honestly believes the fucking shit rhetoric you're saying, when you're just playing a character, you are playing a character online. Like in all honesty, you're just a fucking nerd who never got laid until he was 20. And now here you are being like, I go into bars and you're using your Internet cloud because you got some like overnight fame, being an Andrew Tate, Myron Gaines type, right? Or it was around before them. Yeah, but nobody fucking heard of you before them. Why do you think that is? You are a loser. That's the whole thing. And like you're giving off on, on making this like this whole thing that you actually have something to say when the truth is here, here's what you are. Zerta. Wrap it up. Let's go. I'm going to continue to say these trigger statements that everyone knows isn't true because I know that they get likes and views. And I'm going to get laid because of it. And here I am coming on a debate panel, completely unprepared, seemingly talkative drunk. I don't know unless this is your normal self. I've seen you actually be way more calibrated than this. So it seems like you didn't take tonight very seriously. It seems like you're just kind of really super. I'm just tonight, I'm having a beer with your 12 year long ex-husband. Tonight we drink to your bones because you're going to die alone with this attitude. I'm trying to help you. You're going to die alone. Well, you're going to die with a better right? You're being a feminazi, you're a feminazi. You're like sick owl and all that stuff. You're a nazi, you're a feminist. Know that the sex and relationship won't be good. So you're very pathetic. You're honestly way more pathetic than me. At least I looked at you. What did your ex-husband look like? Did he look like me? Why does that matter? Why do you care? I'm not going to dox my family and talk about them. No, but did he look like me? Fuck no. You admit that you're not very good looking. You admit that you're not and you aren't. I do it so you guys don't harm yourselves. Okay, okay. This might be a good opportunity to go into the Q&A. We're going to move fast. Do you want to remind you folks a couple of things? One, if you haven't yet, hit that subscribe button. We have many more juicy debates coming up. I won't be participating in them, but Oh, you got it. We're going to jump into the Q&A. Keep his face quitting. Thank you very much for your question. I'm not rich. All right, we're moving in the next one. This one from Malavia says, John, you're a failed comedian enough with the shtick. More people in this country go to the gym than at any other time in human history. Okay, chatter. You're right. I would trade lives with you. This one. I'm blaming you. Coming in from Von Zoom says, much love, modernated bait, as an army vet. John is correct on different physical standards. It's corporate America, brainwashing people for profit. Base. I would agree with that largely too. Any thoughts? Anyone else? No, no thoughts. We're good. By the way, Von Zoom, thanks for serving. Hold on. Shut up. Would you shut up? Von Zoom, thanks for serving in our military. We do appreciate that. All right, Zirka. Yes, thank you. Insightful comments that you want to make. What? Okay. Whatever. Von Zoom. Can we thank the army man for the united cooperation? So you say, question for Hunter, would you agree that toxic masculinity is a marketing ploy? Is a mark? No, I don't know what that even... I don't even know what that means exactly. How would it be a marketing ploy? Do you see this one you mean from? Thunderstorms, the stop eating soy. Alex, you've been eating soy? Yes. I haven't eaten soy in a decade. Soy's horrible for you as a man. I haven't eaten soy in a while. I eat a bunch of soy every day and I think of Zirka while doing it. We know, we know. But Ashley, what does that mean? It's not actually... There's actually studies out there refuting that soy increases your estrogen levels as men. That's... Anyway, it's a good source of protein. Plant protein is good. What you guys got to do to... It's also, just as a complete side note, it's also like dominated by one company, Monsanto, which are like horrible, the worst fucking company. Okay, that. And they like are just guilty of so much shady shit. So either way... I did watch that documentary. And Monsanto... You know what's funny is Monsanto, just like every other billion dollar corporation industry. No one believes anything you're saying. All of them, what they all have in common is they're all liberal. Yeah, what do you think? You guys... You guys are... Actually, I don't think the companies are liberal or conserved. They just want to... Oh, really? They don't change their profile picture to the LGBT flag? Guys, okay. You're so... Really? But that's because it makes them more money. They don't actually care about that. They just want the money. That's my point is their side is evil with the corporations. Right. But they just know that being liberal is going to get you more money and more... They're not all money that... They're not all liberal and evil because, I mean, haven't you even heard people talk about how much Disney, for example, donates to anti-LGBT politicians or whatnot? This notion that just because they had a trans person on their Twitter account during Pride Month, means that somehow the liberal agenda is taking everything over. It's just not... What you're saying is not about principles. It's all about making as much money as possible. Hunter, you're trying to comment, Zirka, with things that are called facts and actual research and he doesn't have them. All he has are trigger statements and... I'm pretty sure Zirka's just getting off on everybody he gets married to. Exactly. Ashley, you live in a closet. Look at my swimming pool though. Is it some failed comedian? You share a house with a lot of other men? Where? Where are they? We invited like the... There's nobody here, Ashley. There's nobody here. You said it the other day. It's on stream. Like, you share a house with people who are... Ashley, it's your ex-husband. He's here. I highly doubt that. All right, let's go to the next one. Von Zoome says, question for Ashley. You say, why are women or in particular... Why are you as a woman telling men how to be men when you don't have the perspective of being a man? Well, here's why. Because I was asked to come on this panel and debate on men and becoming more feminine or wimpy nowadays. And so I agreed because I enjoy a good debate and I think that as a society, men and women both equally share a part in how that goes forward. Do we not? Do we not? So as a woman, I was asked to come here today and I was asked to give my point of view on this and that's what I'm fucking doing. That's why. How's that? Yeah, to be fair to Ashley, I want to give credit because one, it is true that Ashley's speaking on this because I invited her. So you might think like, but how she should have turned it down. And I would say no, she shouldn't have. Because one, I actually like it when people who are like not of the conventional, like who you'd expect being in the debate are actually in the debate. So for example, sometimes we have Canadians debating on whether or not the United States has good gun control. Like I like that because you're like, well, we should just have Americans. It's like, why? Why does it just have to be Americans? So to be fair that way. So I also have to say, Ashley has come into the lion's den tonight. So I do appreciate that, Ashley, because it is. She got butchered. There are some very, some people out there are hostile. And so in the live chat, do want to remind you not to attack the guess because we do appreciate it. It's all good. It's all good. Can I quickly read a comment I wrote for my child? Because it's a good one. Yeah, what have you got? I was just going to say. I'm sorry. There's so many people talking at once. Go ahead, Ashley. You can finish. Go ahead. I just wanted to say, James, I'm sorry. Like I honestly, here we go. Hold on. But Zirka, because I have to be fair. Like, Ashley, I was really hard on you. I do want to say this publicly. I just I took it really hard and I it's fair. Sorry. It hit me bad. And like it kind of ruined my whole debate dynamic from there on out. I just felt like that's why you lost. All right. I've got John on mute. I hear you, Ashley. It just kind of it just kind of did kind of like, I don't know. Just kind of ruined my whole like, and I shouldn't have let it. And it's a good experience though, because like for me, like I know that I need to be able to come back from this. I've gone through a lot of shit in the last few days in my personal life. And like, so I I just not on my my A game. But anyway, James, like, no, no, I just hope we're cool. Because we're totally we're totally cool. Sorry for interrupting you. I just wanted to say if I could go back, what I would not have said is because this is where I was like, I put extra sauce on it when I said, like, I don't know how you could be so self aware. I'm really sorry. That was me just really attached this. And you're right. Like I went beyond what I should have said. One reason that I'm like extra triggered tonight, and I should have said it before we went live. I should have just called you out then. And then it wouldn't have happened during the live stream. But the other thing is no joke during this debate. I've been like handling someone wanting to like get into legal stuff on modern day debate. In other words, like after me potentially. So I've been that's why I'm like especially stressed. Although Alex can tell you my sister died three days ago. I'm so sorry to hear that. So for me, like I'm going through some shit right now. Like honestly, and like I know just to be fair to like, I'm not on my A game. Perhaps I should not have come on tonight. But like I was looking forward to it. So like everything that's been happening. I'm just like really just maybe I shouldn't have come on tonight. Like this is pretty you know. But when you said that it like because you and I talk so much. I was like oh shit. Like I just felt the world coming down to me. And I was like fuck like. I promise. No, no, no. Like I said, I've just been under stress. One time I told Daniel Hikikachu, a popular Muslim debater we have on. I like told him. I basically told him in front of everybody during the debate that he was losing the debate. So like sometimes I go too far. And I'm sorry about that. So we're cool. This one coming in from coffee lover. Can I read the thing that I was going to say real quick or? Yeah, go ahead. Oh, this is just addressing the earlier point. But okay, it's going to seem like very out of context now. Fuck it. Big corporations are all about maximizing profit right now. There's more money in playing into the bulk theme. That's the data changes. These companies were completely banned. And what they're saying now and become conservatives. So it's all about money has nothing to do with principles. So that's the only thing I was going to say. All right, keep going. You've got it. Any thoughts on that? Anybody else? Okay. This one coming in from do appreciate it. Coffee lover says Von Zoom. This is they're responding to the person who originally said why is Ashley as a woman giving telling men how to behave. And the coffee lover in a super chat responded to Von Zoom and said, why are men telling women how to be women when they have men have no perspective of that? In other words, I think they were saying like, why are you trying to pressure Ashley? So it's kind of like that old like, are you being judgmental by calling someone? Anyway, not you. It's bad. Ozzie and talk says suicide rates dropped from 1950 to 2000. Why is this? I would have to look at the stats about that. I thought that the suicide rates had like some fluctuation. I didn't think that there was a large decrease, but I could. I don't think there is. What did he say? The suicide rate decreased 2000. If it is, it's extremely modern, not substantial. As far as I would, I would think that I don't know. My best guess would be that mental health care and awareness has been made more prevalent and accessible. That would be my best guess. We had a massive like horizon suicide, I believe in like the 50s or 60s. Don't quote me on that. Well, one of those and then they there's something that happened like in the 70s or 80s where they started going down, but then it kind of did one of these. So I believe as far as I understand, it's either equal or going up. That could be wrong. Yeah, it looks like it's going up. I mean, if it were going down, then. Yeah, that's the statistic I read, too. So I don't know where he's getting it from. No, ever since everyone got an iPhone and the highest purchasing power we've ever seen in consumer society, despair, anxiety, depression has skyrocketed. So I know the suicide rate went up. Everyone knows that. That's the whole point of these debates. And that's a really good point, Circa. Yes. And what where does all this despair come from? It's because we walked away from the church, right? Okay, no. No. Keeping up with the Joneses, keeping up with the Joneses. First and foremost, no, this is just complete bullshit. Second of all, I'm looking at the statistics here on Statista and actually suicides peaked over here in 1990, especially for men. 2007 being when the iPhone came out, we only saw like a slight increase here from 18.1 to now we're at 22.8. So still an increase over time, but it's not like there's this stark, huge uptick because people left the church or something. No, I mean, since since the 1960s sexual revolution, that's really when all the problems started. Because when the Americans were God fearing society, they didn't have these problems of like getting roof feed at bars and like not every girl's getting fucking molested at parties and all this. That's because back then because women were taking care of kids. No, because actually the time in which you're referring to being the 50s and 60s, domestic abuse and rape was not even usually processed as a problem. It was specifically actually child molestation. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Fake news, a domestic issue. The greatest fake news I've ever heard. You're telling me, you're telling me women deal with more molestation and creeps now or in 1950s? The what I'm saying is. I think it's probably. Bite the bullet. Bite the bullet. No, what I'm saying is I don't know. Fuck. It would probably be. You don't answer directly. What do you think? You don't have to know. It seems like there's more now, but that's because it wasn't prior or it wasn't recorded. I think I think more so now because. Well, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Zirka, are you lost my friend? Are you okay right now? Are you saying when you're losing answer though? So you know, it's funny. I told you already that, you know, this is why I troll because this is why I like to troll because you're not answering me. You're not even debating. You're just. Are you talking to me right now? How am I not? You can live in your little. Yeah, fucking soy boy retard seizure. Answer the fucking question. Do you agree that there's more creeps and molestation now or in the 1950s? The reason is because of social media. I literally acknowledge you when I said it seems like you're right. No, shut the fuck up, Zirka. You don't have anymore. I want to get everybody to stop now. We ran out of bells for us. You're getting, you're getting. No, in the 1950s, we could not go online and elicit young men or young women into sexual situations. OK. Oh, the digital age. That's the difference. Is that is that your argument? Your argument is that the digital age is what expanded it. Yeah, that's that's the only thing, right? That's the only thing I said is it sure seems and what I said is it sure seems like there's more groups nowadays, but that's because you're comparing it to a time like the 1950s here. Let's win that wasn't being tracked very well. So there's no way by which we can actually nor was the accessibility even close to the accessibility. And let's not forget that. Let's not forget one tiny little variable for you little DNC run sickness. The women were at home with kids. If there was a rape or molestation, it would have been marital, which the statistics are so fucking low. It's not even worth talking about. That's because marital rape was not considered rape at the time. You're you're actually making the argument for me. The point I'm making is rape at the time was specifically not. Just hold on, Hunter, Hunter, Hunter, is it worse to be a woman 2023? If you're if you're a woman, let's say, let's say you believe. Okay, Hunter, let's say you want to answer this question. Let's say you want to cut it off please. He's asking me a question like it is the worst is to be a woman who exists in the same time period as you, Zerka. That's the correct answer. It's the objectively correct answer. That's cute. That's cute. Okay, let's go to the next one. Do want to say thank you very much for your question. Alternate Keck says Hunter keeps accusing John of being abusive. Low IQ. Did you know my feelings are. Hey, can we have a group therapy session again? So whoever put that in the chat. I don't know if maybe they've been watching it. I think they may have been watching like a different stream and then donated on the wrong super chat. How'd you drink him water? I have not accused anybody of abuse this single time. Did she attack me for drinking water? This one from Von Zoom says apologies, James. No disrespect intended. See, Ashley, there's even actually a person in chat that I got into a quarrel with. So I'm just a little bit more testing tonight. No, shit happens, bro. I'm sorry too. Totally cool. No worries. It's the internet. All of this water in the bridge. It's the internet. This is Von Zoom. Von Zoom, for real, no problem. Don't worry about it. I just get annoyed when people try to tell me what to do. But all those forgiven ones. Night Shift 1 million says men today are totally too soft. And also said, is that Hunter Avalon or Weezer? If you want to destroy my sweater, pull the thread and walk away. Is that a Weezer? If you want to destroy my sweater. I think that's a Weezer lyric, maybe. Yeah. Wow. Hold the thread and walk away. I love it. Good middle school days. This one from Night Shift 1 million says goodness, Ashley. Let's see, you're not a fan of you, Ashley. It's OK. It's OK. I'm OK. I can handle it. Thunderstorm says, as a blue-eyed six-foot white man, I'm not paying attention. Hi, Ashley, with a smiley face. What does that mean? He's trying to smooch. Is he trying to seduce Ashley? This is Peter Zoddy. I seriously doubt that. Peter Zoddy says, any fathers in the panel, not a father, not a man. Oh, I win. Suck it, Zerka. Yeah, but you win until your kid grows up and realizes his dad is a Democrat. Such a better. Wait, come on, Zerka, please. You had the chance to say Zerka. You could have said no, Hunter. You would have won, but then you could have said, Hunter, you would have won until you get a DNA test. You could have roasted me so much better, dude. Or is that a boy or a girl? I have a boy and a girl. God bless you. Oh, I love it. How old are they, Hunter? I'm just a little bit disappointed that Zerka had a chance to actually roast me and kind of butchered it. I'm not roasting you. I'm asking the honest question. He can't actually roast anything or anyone. He's in moron. That's the point, Hunter. Ashley, thank you for telling the world your trigger. Don't apologize. That's weak. Oh, not you. No, Hunter. Well, Freudian slip. I think it was towards me. But Hunter, are you going to also? That's not the definition of a Freudian slip. Hunter, are you going to teach your son to cut his dick off? You're so fucking stupid. Like the rest of your friends? Are you going to teach your son to cut his dick off, Hunter? What are you going to teach your son? No, Hunter, no. What is that? What are you going to do? You're going to keep my son safe. I'm going to keep him away from people like you who are obsessed with children. Are you going to teach your kid to cut his dick off and take normal blockers? No, I'm going to say stay away from the guy talking about your penis. What if your son is going to do this? No, no, no. I'm going to say, Timmy, you see the adult man over here. I'm going to stay away from him. This one coming in from Ozzie and Talk says Zirka in the meta debate about you. Why did Ashley beat you? Can you refresh my memory? Which part? I don't remember Ashley winning ever in life. This one coming in from Hake of the Hake Report. Amazing. Shout out, let's see, to the gentleman, ladies, ma'am, males, and females. Thank you for that. Agent Black says, big up to Hake for that donation. Much respect. Wow. Wait, James, I got a question. What is it? Like, what do you think? Do you think if Hunter's son wants hormone blockers at 14 and to cut his dick off? Like, what do you think Hunter's going to say? Is he going to be very progressive there or is he going to change his tune? You have to ask Hunter what his thoughts are. Hunter, yeah, I'll ask Hunter. You're right. James is too good looking for me. Go ahead, Hunter. That's it. I'd be more than happy to talk with you about who is better looking. Maybe we can have a conversation about the genitals that you seem very interested in. What happens if your kid... It's a genuine question. What happens if your kid... And I would be more than happy to give you a genuine answer when you want to come on my stream and talk when this has nothing to do with the subject. You won't do it here? Well, we're ending the debate panel supposed to end in three minutes. Just a yes or no. Just a yes or no. If your kid wants to... My food's about to be here and whatnot, so... Your food. Your food. My soy. My soy. I ordered some soy milk. You ordered my food. You got eight alive. I ate you alive today. You were my food today. All right. Let's go to the next question. And then it's totally okay, Hunter. What I'm going to do is any questions that are for you, I'm going to read them. And I do want everybody to agree. If Hunter has to leave the Zoom call in two minutes, I want everybody to agree that you're not going to talk about him after he leaves, because that wouldn't be fair when he's not here to defend himself. I would never. Hunter, if you have to go, it's totally okay. Because it's very... If there's any more thumbnail. I mean, if there's any more questions for me, yeah, but if not, I am going to have to split. I have one question for you, Hunter. Hey, Hunter, it was... Hold on, my turn. Hunter, it was nice debating with you tonight. You're a cool dude. I'm nice to meet you. I've watched a lot of your stuff. And I've actually shared a lot of your stuff in the past. So... Very base. Which Hunter? The successful Hunter? I've debated with your wife before too, by the way. Me too. Me too. So have I, yeah. Well, either way, I appreciate... Thanks so much, James for having me on. Zirka, once again, I appreciate you sucking me dry multiple different times today. That's been very nice. What if your son wants to cut his dick off, Hunter? The rest of your day? And Zirka, why don't we have another... Dad, I want to cut my dick off, Dad! Hey, Zirka! Dad, I want to cut my dick off! Is that okay? Is that okay? Can I cut Dad? Can I cut my dick off? I guess I'll just... Come on, he's so gross. Okay. Zirka, we can talk sometime else. But again, if you could please stop talking about children sharing. He's just like a walking meme. That might be good for you. But thanks, James. Thank you, Hunter. Have a good night. Thank you very dude. What I'm going to do is adjust the pictures on Zoom in case they get scrambled, or I should say OBS in case they get scrambled. So, if you're watching live here at modern day debate, want to let you know why this screen looks that way. It's just because Zoom readjusts when someone has to leave. I'm going to put a poll in the chat here at modern day debate. So if you're watching live over at playing with fire or anywhere else, I'm not sure where else it might be streamed. You can come over and vote on this poll on whether or not men today are men today more wimpy. I have to go to the bathroom so bad. I've been holding it for like an hour. I'm so sorry. I'll BRB like super quick. No problem. Go for it. Zerka, I had no idea you had this much conflict with Hunter. What's the what's the backstory? I think everyone's curious. Well, let's not with without him being here. I just don't. I know that it's possible. Zerka could give the backstory without slamming Hunter, but I do really. I don't think he's going to do that. Okay, that's fine. So I hate to do that. Sorry for shutting you down, Alex. This one coming in from bear with me. Folks, as they fix the screen, I'll ask the next question at least. Vile van Gogh says, does Hunter think Scooties originating from universities overwrought with feminist queer ideology, claiming, quote, masculinity is bad, can be trusted? What are scudies or scuddies? I have no idea. Is that a bad word? K-Zerka, I'm letting you out of your cage for a second. Yes, James. No, basically, I don't like traders, like political traders, because you guys got to remember. Oh, all right. Not about Hunter, though. Well, I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it, but I'm saying why I dislike feminists and stuff like that is you got to remember the first time I ever dealt with the thought of suicide was I lost my dream jobs. I lost all my friends to jokes I was making that were too edgy. So I lost my whole world to this liberal world. And now I'm fighting back. And I'm winning. And I'm ruthless. And we are taking over. This is dark mug and this bitch. And so when you guys think I just wake up angry, no, I'm at war with evil. These people, I've never done anything to the liberal world. They just started coming up to me and trying to get my son to cut his cock off and shit. And so they started the war. So don't think I'm an aggressor. I'm a reactionary. You got it. And this one coming in from stay curious as I don't think I've ever seen a bigger fool than Zerk. Wow. Yeah, your mom's a whore. Tell that chatter. His mom's a whore. All right. This one from agent Black says that we got that one. Ozzie and talk says non-Wimps, Alex, Ashley and Hunter. Wimps, John. All right. This one from Vile. This one from Alternate Keck. We got that one. The tribb ones. So does Alex like Zerka as his debate running mate? Yeah, we get along. Yeah, me and Zerker get along, except for the fact that he's been ghosting on me recently. But aside from that, we're cool. No, no, I'll be on this week. But the problem I have with Alex is the same problem I have with everyone is they, Alex believes there's like a middle ground where you can actually like compromise with these kind of satanists and they will turn on Alex. Like one in the chat, if you agree, Alex is going to build friends like Ashley and Hunter and they're going to turn on him. They're going to make up some allegations and destroy his whole career. And then I get to do that. I told you so, parade. So I'm not that much more extreme than what he's actually thinking. It's just he wants to move in a political way. And I think it's dangerous to, you know, make friends and allies with people who have no soul. Like they're... Base, base. That may all be true. I don't know what that has to do with like, I don't know. Like... I'm saying we agree a lot. Like if you admit it... You agree a lot, but you don't have a lot of... Alex is also more intelligent than you and actually uses stats and data when he debates and argues things rather than just... It sounds like you're having... Every time you speak, it sounds like you're having... It sounds like you're having... Here it comes. Here's a thousand percent damage hanging there. When you speak, it sounds like you're having an aneurysm. Like there's no momentum. You go, well, Alex is more intelligent. And this is how somebody is differentiated. You're doing it again. Here's the aneurysm. Your brain is... This is why you and Alex are on different levels because you are just a troll with no intelligence. Who uses ad hominems and just trigger words and statements. No, your ex-husband was the troll. Exactly. See, like you have no idea about... He called you for 12 years. You're being disgusting right now. And like Alex actually like pulls up stats and data and has real conversation with people. Hold the tears in. Which is why his longevity... Are you going to take me to the principles? I am. You've got to go to the next one. Anyway, I just want to say it's why Alex's longevity is going to outlast your Zirca. Because the gun emoji, cool. Oh, is this dangerous? Is this triggering? Coming in from... I've got to do this. I need to do this. I need to do it. But I do have to hold on. This is from TheTrib1. Says, it's amazing how much Zirca derails seems planned. Can all give their take on if women will start ultimately taking charge or if men will get better emotionally and get back on track as far as leading goes. I don't see it getting better. I see one thing I'm going to weapon. We've got to give her a chance. I see I've got two weapons. One down. You understand that it is the best. No, it's actually just the symbolism, bro. I would never make a single... Were you attacked by finger guns before? Maybe... It's the symbolism of you saying that you would shoot somebody because you don't like them. Yes, that's very funny. Okay, we're going to the next one. I didn't... I... Let's see. This one from... Wow, James. Poncho says, I don't blame Zirca for trolling. It's hard to keep a straight face with someone promoting the idea that you should wine to your girl. I don't remember that. Oh, is... Never mind. We'll go to the next one. This one from... I'm a hunter avalan. All right. This... Let's go to the next one. TheTrib1 says, can all give... To be fair, that's a... I don't know if that's the most charitable way of framing Hunter's argument since he's not here. Well... Right. But this one from the... Watch out. Watch out, James. I'm all over the road according to Ashley. This one says, hates stairs. Says, honest question. Why give Zirca any airtime or platform? He derails every debate ever. Well, we do want to give everybody a shot as long as they're within YouTube terms of service, which, John, you get close sometimes. I don't even know about the R-word, so I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the stream. I've got to check on that. No, you're good on that. I use that word all the time on my channel. Okay. That is in terms of service? Yeah, it is. There's no problem. Even then... No, James, I wouldn't hurt you. I've been said the N-word once today. Like, I'm doing great for you guys. I do want to... One thing that... Let's see, that I have to consider, but I'll talk about it in the after show. Folks, so... I've got a few more questions to go through. Well, I have an after show where I'll talk about... It's not going to be about anyone in particular. It's just about what words are allowed on our day-to-day debate because I'm... Even if terms of service allows it, there are some words that I'm like, well... You don't want your image, yeah. It makes me wonder if I say, like, hey, we want everybody to feel welcome, but then Zirka's calling people a retard. It's like, well, it does everybody feel welcome. But I've got them all that over. It's something I am considering. But as much as I love everybody telling me how to run modern day debate, if you're in the live chat right now, I haven't even looked, but if you're in the live chat telling me which way to go, don't do that. I'm tired of people trying to tell me how to leave. This one from Kyle James says, Zirka, have you considered getting a Subway tattoo? Honestly, just to piss James off, I feel like with my platform, James, I can get... You got $65,000 worth of free sandwiches? $50,000. Okay, I think I could get $65,000. I could talk to you if I called that. Who's the... Is he in here pedophile? The guy... Zirka, maybe you could lose weight if you went on a diet program. Like, that would be really good for your gaba. Yeah, actually, actually, help me. I want to be as ripped as you. Zirka is... Or not Zirka. You're good. Yeah, you should want that. Fucking hilarious. Absolutely. Every time you speak... Maybe your erection would last long enough to please a woman without yelling. Enough of all that. I didn't tell that to your ex-husband. The drip one says, is Alex happy or sad that Zirka was his partner? You don't have to answer, Alex. No, I'm cool with Zirka. I'm cool with Zirka. I like Zirka. You know, it's the fact that he ignores me on Discord. We're cool. To be fair, Alex likes everyone, which is part of what I love about him. Zen 2011 says... By the way, it's a random sign of Zirka. Your brother was asking me for Tinder help. I helped him a little bit. My brother? Yeah, he messaged me. Wow. My brother doesn't use media. On Instagram, yeah. He said he was your brother. Oh, dude, that's not my brother. My brothers are both professionals. Like... It was using that username that we did the call from. So it was a username that you have access to, unless it's one of your friends. Oh, it's definitely someone trolling you. This one coming in from... I'll send you the screenshot later. It sounds just like your brother. No, my brothers are professionals. And honestly, why I troll is because you didn't answer any of that. Like, when you rewatch this debate, Ashley, you're going to realize that every time Ashley speaks, you prove to the world you're an idiot. You didn't answer one. Like, nothing. You just... It's like... Yeah, I wasn't really allowed to, Zirka. So... Oh, yeah. Because there's... If you ever want to... James probably gets toppled, right? If you would ever like to have a bottle of alcohol for immigrants like me. Zirka? You liberal white women gotta... Go ahead, Ashley. What's up? If you would ever like to have a follow-up debate, I would be very happy to answer anything you have to say. I'd be very happy to do that. Incredibly, actually. This one coming in from... Do appreciate it. The trip once was Zirka derailing on purpose for Zirka and James. Zirka does interrupt an awful lot, but I don't know whether or not... It's not derailing to get to the fucking point. Like, does everyone want to hear Ashley go in fucking circles just to like... She took 40 minutes to say Zirka's toxic, but Alex is cool. I give Alex the feminist card. Like, he gets a pass. Bro, that's time-wasting. That's like, we're here for Ashley trying to generate a thought for 40 minutes. Are we really here for that? I get to the point. So I say, hey, Hunter. We are definitely here for that. When I look out, quickly I get to the point. I go, Ashley, let me ask you. If you had a son, would you... You know, he's a teenager and he said, mommy, I want to cut my dick off and be progressive like my friends. You asked Hunter that, not me. Would you be cool with that, Ashley? You asked Hunter that, not me. I'm asking you right now. So you're wrong. I'm literally saying that. I literally said I'm asking you right now. No, you didn't. You said you asked me earlier. You're wrong. Okay, all right. Let me try it again. Okay, I'm asking you right now. No, we can do this in our follow-up debate. My... Why can't nobody answer a simple yes or no? We've got to move to the next one. Are you derelling? It's a shit. Are you derelling me? That's why. You've got to move to the next one. Yeah, I'm totally derelling you. You've got to move to the next one. Alex, Alex. You're so, so much. Hold on, hold on. Okay, please, please, please, please, please. Sirca, we've got to move on to the next question. I'm having a mental breakdown, James. I hate to do this. Alex, we can tell, Sirca. You know, I hate to do this. We have to go to the next one. Kyle James asks Sirca. I'm sure this will be insightful. Do you think James is a powerful man? Honestly, I know James's background. You believe in God. You've debated for it, too, which was kind of awesome, very based. And I know that James is... You're the type of guy that you're just inclusive with everyone. Sometimes you let some demons on, like Ashley and stuff, but you're definitely made. Like, the one thing we all click on your channel for is how you run it. Not how those stupid crybabies in your chat who sent two dollars to change your whole business strategy. You run it correct. You're inclusive, right? Like, I don't even know how you get, like, Ashley and all the people who were dropped as children. But my question is, Alex, this is to you. If your son came up to you at 15 and said, Dad, I want to cut my dick off. What would you say? Would you say yes or no? I would do my best to talk them out of it. Thank you for answering that. Look at that one honest man in the panel. Right? I don't think I would, like, disown my son or something. I would just do my absolute best to, like, talk them out of it. Thank you. Yeah, what about you, actually? You did not ask me that, Sirca. You did not ask me that. You did not ask me that. Is your liberal overlords watching? Are you afraid to answer this one? Is this too much? You don't even know me. You know nothing about me and your assumptions. Why not answer it? Which is what makes you a weak debater. Why not answer it, Ashley? You're a weak debater. This is your chance, Ashley. Oh, my chance is... No, here's the thing. My chance is when I challenge you to have a debate between me and you. That's when... All right, I'll come on your chair. I'll come on your chair if you answer it. Listen, Sirca, I'm having a post-debate stream. If you'd like to come on... You're having post-traumatic stress disorder from losing this one. Please answer. Would you let your child... Deflecting. You're deflecting. Deflecting. Deflection. Deflecting. James has a panel to run, and he's got to move on, bro. If you want to debate me on this, come see me after this, because I will fucking own you. You bitch. Ooh, kinky. Okay, so I'm coming in from... Dragan Stanley says, Sirca seems to be doing well, considering he said he had leukemia. Keep up the good work, modern day debate. Did you have leukemia? You were covered from leukemia? Absolutely. As soon as Dan Dangler gives the money to the charity she scams, I yield 100%. So I'm just going to platform Dan Dangler, scam the charity. She needs to give the money to the cancer charity. I have a feeling this is bad for me legally, whoever you're talking about. Let's go to the next one. Ye-D-E-N Hunter and Ashley, would your one-liner advice be to someone who feels unattractive and may be seduced by the toxic masculinity culture to reconsider? I don't quite understand that question. Please reread. If there's a soy boy who feels like they've been duped by the toxic masculinity, I'd be like, ooh, I better not be tough. I better be soy. What advice would you give them? Okay, so I'm sorry. I did get that, and he said, would your best advice be to reconsider? Okay, so yeah, I suppose, yeah, reconsider. And also just look at maybe a lot of things that were said tonight by your boy, John Zirka, who is a self-admitted, like, I use these tactics as a ploy and a trick and a way to get women into bed with me, even though really in real life, I'm a nerd who's a gamer that was never good at getting girls, and I lost my virginity when I was 20, but now, like, I can yell at them and... What has that mattered? You want to go into that? You probably lost it early, right? You lost it early. 17, 17 years old. Ew, you're a fucking... That's a child. Exactly, it doesn't matter what. I'm right. What's the fault? Ew, it doesn't matter. No, absolutely. No wonder you had deteriorated. It was 13. It was 13. I lost it when I was 13. Yeah, no. I'm joking, I'm joking. It was when I was 20. No, it was 17. I was 21. I was 21. No, it was 17. You were 21. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. This one's coming. Yes, it does. This one from, hey, like 90 going north, says, happy AAPI month slash Mother's Day, parentheses, they have second mothers and are doing the best, and are masculine as heck. Who is... What is AAPI? He's saying Ashley's masculine. Absolutely, I am. I'm very masculine. Lots of testosterone pumping through these things, which actually, that's a point I wanted to make earlier. So testosterone is also prevalent and evident in women's blood work, and the higher the testosterone level in women, the higher the sex drive. So I just wanted to say, yeah. Juicy, this one from Kyle James says, hunter slash Ashley. Let's just go with Ashley. Do you think Democrats or Republican men are stronger physically? Do I think Republicans or Democrats are stronger physically? On average. On average, I think that's a... There's no way I could answer that. That's ridiculous. That's what Ashley gave her a chance. I want to actually hear what she's got to say. Go ahead. Yeah, that's a ridiculous question. Like, I've known so many from each side that are incredibly masculine. I think they're asking to get an average though. On average? Like, if you took an... Like, you know how everybody's... Republican or Democrat, I don't think there's any way you could say that, because look at the diversity of the United States. Like, if you go to the red states and blue states, I think that the better way to answer that question is, how liberal or how unliberal? Like, how liberal do you want to be and how much does that affect your masculinity? Dodging again. Dodging is pretty worse than you know it. I'm actually answering a question in a way that's... No, you're not. You're not even answering it. It's actually thoughtful, and it's actually putting data and stats and facts into things rather than you who just likes to say something... Okay, let me help you. Let me help you. You're such a fucking bitch. You are the biggest bitch I've ever met in my life. I bet your penis is tiny. Sorry. Okay, all right. Yeah, no, I have a lot to say. My penis is tiny. I have so much to say. I know. You said you're very bad at sex. I get it. I know. No, I have so... I have... Ashley, I have so much... You probably need Viagra. You know, you can get that online. I'm telling you, my penis is tiny. I need Viagra, and I have a lot to say. No, I believe it. You've said it yourself on that. I'm telling you right now, I have a small... If you want to see him say this, go back and watch. Ashley, I'm telling you from the bottom of my heart. Where he literally admits that he's terrible in bed. Yeah. And then he literally just uses these... He's so bullshit. Ashley, I admit I have a small penis. I need Viagra. I have all the flaws of the man that abandoned you. Okay, cool. This one coming in. And Ashley, can I help you answer the question? Here, let me help you. No, you can just shut the fuck up. And everyone can just know that you have a tiny penis. And you're bad in bed. Like, we get it. Okay, remember, Ashley, the difference from Republicans and Democrats is Democrats, liberals, they score a much higher... They have small penises and EDs. Just hang on, just hang on. Just keep the peanut brain under control. The impulses are... My peanut brain, right. Okay, your penis, penis. Got it. Okay, so the difference from liberal men and conservative men is liberal... She's okay. Liberal men score very high. I'm just going to start using your fucking tactics on you. You are such a cringe piece of shit. No brain. Loser. That's what you are. We'll go to the next one. Get it out of your system, Ashley. Wait, wait. Can I actually answer the question? Because it's an interesting question. So I'm going to... You'll never answer. It's been 20 minutes. Alex, go ahead, sir. I'm going to preface what I'm saying, that I'm probably closer to Democrat than Republican. But yeah, I think definitely Republican men are going to be on average more masculine than Democrat men, from what I've seen. And can I answer, too? Liberal men score a lot higher in openness and agreeableness. That's why 90% of pedophiles are liberals. And conservative men, they don't actually agree with everyone. They become lawyers, doctors. They become plumbers, surgeons. But liberal men become like painters. And what have you become? What have you become? I've become your tormentor. You've become a loser who sits online and spews out rhetoric from Andrew Cate and Myron Gaines and guys who have made it. And you pretend to be some fucking alpha male. What have you become? You loser? Fuck. Just mock yourself, bitch. Just mock yourself. We're going to move to the next one. What a nasty theory. What are you asking? What a nasty theory. I have to go to the next one. This one. Say you're just a zirka. How big do you think BBCs are? Okay. You don't have to answer that. By any means. Yes, I do. BBCs. Damn. You're just a broadcasting company. I'll tell you this much, okay? BBCs are so big that anytime I see a white guy with a big dick, I say you betrayed our race. Right? I don't want to be around. And that's probably a lot. Because it's just a great fucking game. Well, I'm just saying that black men are born genetically superior in the caulk area. Let's go to the next question. You're born genetically predestined to want to look mistic. We get it. I see what I know. XD says great stuff. All right. I got to go to the next question. Yeah, the CMA. They say great stuff, guys. Love the back and forth. Hope you all have a great night. Thank you for that. Hague says shout out to the people dropped as BBS. What does BBS mean? Anybody know that? No idea. Me neither. They also, oh, okay. Hague said, when he said earlier, AAPI. He said happy AAPI day or Mother's Day. He said that means Asian American and Pacific Islander month. Is it their month? Wow. I'm a pretty bad fucking liberal for not knowing that, I guess. I didn't know that either. Let's see here. I'm checking. James, would you agree that Ashley is like, you know, like very low IQ? Would you, James? I have to go to the next question. As much as I like you trying to drag me into your debate, this one coming in from. Oh, actually, we're all caught up. Want to say, folks, we don't want to keep our guests here all night. They've got a lot of stuff going on. We want to let them go. We want to let them rest. Want to say, we do appreciate all of our guests, even Zirka to some extent. We want to say, there's a last question. Kyle James says, Zirka, do you think liberals have any courage? It's pretty obvious that's much of it. Of course they do not. On average, liberal men do not defend women. When women are being punched in the street by men, liberal men are nowhere to be found. It's always some toxic massing guy. Where's your data? Use your eyeballs. Here's my data. Here's my data. Do you want data? I'll give you that. OK, save it for the BBC, Ashley. I'll give you the data. You are a big nothing. You are a big nobody. You are a big loser with nothing. All right. Let me give you the data. Do you at least agree that liberal men don't go into trade? So your data is trust me, bro. I'm paying you my notes. No, no, no. I'm asking you. You are so fucking lame. My God. Are you done? So do you agree, Ashley, that liberal men go more into the arts, music, painting, and not into trade? No, I don't. I agree that you are going after the stereotype that you have zero data. You have no data. OK, Ashley. Give me a statistic. Show me real data. Show me something. Oh, no. I'm calling you out, bro. Show me something. Where's the data? Where's the data? Nobody disagrees. Nobody disagrees that liberal men are more. We're the one in the chat. That's my fucking data. Shut the fuck up. You are so fucking pathetic. So you disagree with that? I'm going live after this, guys. I'm going to roast this motherfucking piece of shit. Like, oh, I have so much more to say. He is such a stupid ass piece of shit bitch. And he has no data to support anything other than trust me, bro. And it helps me get laid to be more toxic. You fucking piece of shit. We're going to move into the next one. Two seconds as I load the screen. I want to say thanks very much, folks, for watching. At the modern day debate community, we have some controversial topics and some controversial people. Because our philosophy here is if ideas, or you could say the arguments are better on one side, well, then those arguments will prevail. And so Kyle knew we got that one. Any in terms of the defense of liberals encouraged? Does anybody have any thoughts? Well, Ashley just said, where's your data? OK, fair enough. I could comment on that. What have you got? I mean, I think on average, if we're talking averages, that yes, liberal men are probably going to be more wimpy. But I would say there's definitely some very tough fucking liberal dudes. And there's some very weak, beta conservative men. Like all the closet dudes who are like fucking putting on girls panties behind closed doors. I wonder. You know, I wonder. So I think like in averages, Zirk is probably right. But this is not like an absolute by any means. No, I really wonder how many UFC fighters are against Trump. I really wonder that. What the fuck does that matter? You're so fucking stupid. Well, I mean, Zirk, that's a little bit different. Because Dana White has a very close relationship with Trump. And they look up to Dana White. And therefore, by default, they're going to look at Trump. No, no, no. Most fighters, like most successful athletes, will be individualistic and thinking and more conservative. This one. Yeah, I mean, what you think Antifa is going to become a fucking quarterback. No, but I think like Trump has been to like almost every UFC fight. So they're going to want to be in favor of someone who supports them. I don't think Biden has ever. I don't think Democrat has ever been to a UFC fight. So yeah, I think Floyd Mayweather. Very pro Trump. When you look at athletes, they're always pro Trump because they're not. They're not like this. What is the actually you are having a mental break down? This is not a good look for you, darling. Right. Yeah, nothing. Are you more are you more favor of Trump or DeSantis? Trump DeSantis is a fed. He's literally with the DNC. You don't think Trump is absolutely not. Trump is the reason Ashley is having a fucking mental breakdown. Yeah, absolutely. Trump in. She sees Trump. Got me. You have no idea. Look, is there is there any political candidate? Thank you for shit. Like is there any political candidate you prefer to Trump or is he your number one? In all of history, I like JFK. I like Nixon. But you know, Trump will be Trump will be my favorite because he came in a time where I was losing everything to women like Ashley. You know, the that she's like the HR department trying to get to know what's triggering about me now is that women like me who are so fucking amazing and based and smart and beautiful turned you down. I don't know about it. It makes a lot more sense now. It honestly does. It makes a lot of sense. I don't believe either. I would hate women like me too. Ashley, you're the most gracious loser I've ever seen. I know. I know. I'm the most gracious based loser who's obviously turned dick like you down a million and seven times and that's why you're triggered. Not even in my night. Ashley, not even in my night. Every time I try to direct him. This one from last question of the night. Stay curious says thanks for being such a great mod, James. Thanks. Stay curious. Appreciate your kind words. We are going to wrap up with that one to say folks. If you haven't subscribed yet, do subscribe. We have many more juicy debates coming up here at modern day debate as we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion and politics. I'm going to share some of our philosophy about the channel and the post credit scene for a few minutes. So stick around as I'll be back in just a few minutes to let you know more about modern day debate, why we are willing to host virtually anybody and nearly every topic. So with that, thank you very much to our speakers, Ashley Zirka and playing with fire.