 This hangout on air is live. When did that happen? Oh must have been after I pushed the button These are actually still available for Ghostbusters tomorrow at the Alamo. Oh ORLY You know, I like the idea of the Alamo. I actually don't like it wasn't all that boom over the Alamo draft house Yeah, the Alamo draft house the not not the side in San Antonio Okay, or the movie or the credit just I mean, yeah I guess it's kind of cool. You could be served by watching a movie and stuff But it's like it's kind of a kind of distracting. No, it's lovely. It's lovely and Alamo draft house does it right? I Mean, I shouldn't say no you obviously find it No, you your opinions invalid Roger Well, no, it's just like I probably is because a bulk of my movie watching used to be like Like in the like after work, so it'd be like you you would be in a theater and there wouldn't be a lot of people It would be dark. It was quiet and I could just concentrate on the movie Well, yeah, don't go to the Arlington Draft or the Alamo draft house or the Arlington draft house With if you want that you're absolutely right. I Loved the Arlington draft house, which is why I just said that because in Arlington, Virginia That was the first time I ever had that experience where people brought me food and drink I was watching a movie is amazing Caesar. We bring you gifts Yeah, I actually really Dig it It's definitely an expensive treat though. Yeah, and The thing about the Alamo that they do right is Alamo draft house gives you high quality selections So you're like well, I'm paying too much, but at least I'm getting good things And first-run movies AMC Dine-In Theater, which is what we have over here Marina Del Rey They're like TGI Friday's little food. So I'm like, it's nice to go get a drink while I'm watching but don't really love the food I very rarely get anything more than like pizza might be the most adventurous that I get with any even So this is my one thing about this is probably goes to my one particular court Gen finds it kind of weird too I don't like eating while I'm watching a movie because invariably I will be distracted by whatever I'm eating And I'll get something stuck in my teeth, and I mean that it's gonna try to work out a pop unpopped Popcorn kernels stuck in my teeth or anything putting them. I Don't eat. I don't eat. I just want I'll drink I'll drink water or I'll drink an icy But I want to concentrate on the movie. That's crazy. I even now in my new my my new Regimented eating habits. I I am I am compulsive for popcorn There is one thing that I will never give up and that he's noticed the new trick the new thing It's not a trick. It's an old trick But the new thing is everybody pouring the popcorn on the tray. I hate that everybody's doing that makes a mess We pour in the popcorn. What you pour the popcorn on the tray that you use to carry the drinks instead of having it in the bag What all the kids in LA are doing it all the kids all the kids up here do it's annoying and not even kids adults And so I should probably start this show. All right. This is this is a whole another topic. We should probably start All right, let's do this. Here we go This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday July 14th 2016 on Tom Mara joining me today Justin Robert Young host of night of tech word things dot com politics politics politics and soon BitTorrent news Yes Announced yesterday BitTorrent news coming to you live from both Cleveland and Philadelphia to cover the Republican and Democratic National Conventions, I was very excited to be approached by them and I will have it be known That the first connection that was made between me and BitTorrent news was made because of my appearances here on the Daily Tech News show so that's fantastic. Thank you to everybody who has tolerated my presence here Of course, I'll continue to do stuff It might be a little iffy over the next two weeks depending on what the schedule is But but thank you do everybody and thank you specifically to Tom for forgiving me this opportunity. Hey man Congratulations, that's fantastic. I can't wait to see what you guys do out there and to see you on the coverage So go get the BitTorrent live app folks add it to your Apple TV. Now Rhapsody relaunched itself as Napster today Not joking. That's a real story T-Mobile will offer free data for Pokemon Go users starting July 19th Pokemon Go launched in the UK and here are some more top stories The European Commission announced a preliminary decision that Google breached EU Antitrust rules by requiring some large partners to use AdSense Exclusively between 2006 and 2009 this makes a hat-trick of three Antitrust investigations for Google in the EU. Congratulations exclusivity was gradually replaced after 2009 with requirements for premium placement or minimum ads and the right for Google to authorize competing ads So they still had problems even after 2009 Google has 10 weeks to respond to that one The Commission is also issuing a supplementary statement regarding charges that Google broke antitrust rules by placing its own comparison Shopping search results above those of others Google tried to argue that hey you should consider sites like Amazon and eBay because that's where people go to search for Things they're shopping for when you're looking at the competitive landscape the EC said no those are merchant sites Those are separate. You're a shopping service. We're gonna consider you separately Google has eight weeks to respond to those new statements and finally Google has been given some extra time Until this autumn to respond to antitrust charges against Android. So three is a charm for Google I'm not gonna lie Tom and especially after that big introduction letting people know that I'm going to be brought on from some sort of expert capacity for You know the knowledge that I have gained and expressed on this show This is a bad way for me to segue into it But whenever we get into these, you know trade issues in Europe, especially with Google I never really know is this Google being Google or Europe being Europe You have you have watched these stories very closely for a number of years It feels like the the exact same story like a Zubat just popping up far too often into my life Well, what is your take on this? Is this Google overstepping their bounds? Or is this just Europe looking to ding them or the EU looking to ding them like they've done so many times before Yeah, it is a little bit of Europe being Europe. It's definitely a lot of Google being Google I I have at first of all my wife works for YouTube is subsidiary Google So I should make sure that you know that maybe maybe my mind's all messed up by that I don't know. I feel like Google shouldn't have to be accused of antitrust for putting links to their own shopping sites at the top of their own website Now I get it that it's different in Europe than in the United States where Google has a 90% market share And it's a much bigger market share and it's not illegal for them to do these things It's a legal for them to abuse their market position. I don't think that's abusing their market position personally I think there may be some market abuse with Android because of again that 90% market share that Android has And I think that's worth looking into but I don't think it's a slam dunk This new one though I feel like is is a glaring example of abusing your market share If you say hey, guess what? We're kind of the only game in town So we are definitely the only game in town for our biggest clients. You can't even use ads from other people Now Google has backed off of this wisely over the past few years And they should be encouraged to continue to do non-exclusive deals But when you have this much market presence and you're trying to get exclusive deals Then you're going to run into trouble with antitrust regulators Especially in gigantic corporations where you are dealing with people that are not that are are in major markets That are not as close to the headquarters, right? Well. Yeah, and Europe is especially sensitive to that because you know Google is from the United States. There's data retention issues there There's a lack of trust there and then there's the whole Google Apple and others using Ireland as tax shelters, etc, etc It's it's got people a little bit on edge in Europe And so they don't want those outside businesses abusing the advantages that they've gained Keep screwing around. They're going to be dealing with a geck sit Well, they already had a geck sit in Spain, right? Where they said you you have to pay to link to things And and your google news and google said fine. We're shutting down google news Exactly. Hey, why don't why don't you pay to link both of uh Nintendo announces the nintendo entertainment system or nes classic The mini nes will have 30 classic games pre-installed including final fantasy excited by tech uh tech mobile And super mario brothers the unit will also come with a replica controller Which can be connected to a wiimote for use with the wii's virtual console the mini nes arrives on november 11th For 59 dollars and 99 cents. It has stocking stuffer auto purchase written all over it for everybody However, I must voice this concern something that uh a friend of mine and legendary twitch streamer man versus game pointed out Almost fell the pieces realizing This is not play. So if anybody thinks this this does not play your old cartridges no This is effectively an official emulator no for which you can get fairly regularly Now with through curious means of dubious legality. You could roll your own Yeah, and maybe violate some terms of service uh in the process But yeah, no, it's a fair point justin. You will have to blow into the entire mini classic rather than just the cartridge to get it to work Absolutely absolutely and Let me ask you this Because for nintendo Which has obviously as part of the pokemon company had a tremendous week explosive growth on pokemon go to the level Levels of which i mean i can't remember. Can you ever remember seeing anything blow up? Like pokemon go as well. No pokemon go is is uh Is unique uh And yet you realize how much of nintendo is reliant on nostalgia They obviously have rebooted old characters and you can kept that ip alive by creating new games for them Pokemon go obviously through another intermediary is an example of that. However This is a great example of how strong Hardware nostalgia is and i know that that's something that for me I find as an adult that now has a little bit more discretionary income I look i found myself the other day looking at ebay listings for ipods that i owned and sold and that now for whatever reason I long for again Like that old you've got ipod nostalgia. That's amazing five gig mac only fire wire port I just want one of those back in my life and i can't explain it This is an example of of them uh take of nintendo taking advantage of this Uh, can we talk a little bit about this 60 dollar price because I i'm from the atari 2600 era And so when they came out with the joystick that had all of the retro games on it atari did this they did the same thing That was thing was like 25 dollars, right? What 60 bucks that's almost as much as a we in fact if you buy a used we You can get one for probably 60 bucks. So why is this thing so expensive? It's only got 30 games on it and it's an emulator and it's mini it's retro Things should be like 30 dollars tops You want to know what the weird thing is about it because I looked at that price and initially i'm like Oh, it's 40 dollars off because in my head I always thought of like the any any any s system was either You know for the any s it was 100 the super nintendo was like 150 and then eventually they kind of creeped up and up and up But you're right. Absolutely. There's no reason why this needs to be 60 dollars comparatively because there there are Uh, products that do exactly this if not having more games on there as an emulator Uh, and and yet This is 60 and initially I was totally not a I had no problem with it because I thought I it'll the any s will forever Live in my brain as relative to 100 dollars Well, now biocast's telling me that the one the atari one is 60 dollars on amazon and he's got a link to back it up I found an atari one on amazon for 25 so Maybe it was a knockoff brand or something like that or maybe it was used so maybe maybe it's equivalent Maybe it's equivalent. So that's just a kid. Yeah And and plus one's nostalgia is involved price logic goes out the window And and it plays right to what you were saying like well, that's that's cheaper than it would have been back in the day And and and also if this is successful Why not just reissue the nes or you could play old cartridges and reissue cartridges if vinyl Let me a serious question if vinyl came back Why not old cartridge? Well, I would reckon I would say well, it's probably cheaper to make this as an all-in-one Absolutely But if people will pay 60 dollars for this But you don't think they'd say $70 for one with mini cartridges to make them we buy all the cartridges Don't get any ideas nintendo Hey, uh, the second u.s circuit court of appeals in new york reversed a lower court decision And said no Microsoft does not need to comply with a u.s government search warrant asking for contents of an email account stored on an irish server Circuit judge susan carney said warrants issued under the federal stored communications act reach only data stored within the us So if the data is over there, you got to go to a court over there to get access to it said Circuit judge susan carney. I am paraphrasing That doesn't seem unreasonable, right? No, and they've been fighting this for a couple years now The u.s was saying no, you're a u.s company And you have access to the data So you have to comply with the warrant We don't care where the data is stored and and of course This is one of the kinds of lawsuits that caused the safe harbor agreement on data transfer to fall apart in the eu And they had to scramble and come up with the new privacy shield thing to say all right when we transfer data back and forth What are the rules? Yeah Well, you know, it's it's good that we have a ruling on it, but uh I don't I don't exactly know where Uh Where else microsoft was supposed to do but to fight this right and the lower court said no you have to comply at which point microsoft was going to Was was hinting around that they would just flaunt the judgment that they would stand in contempt of court So thankfully they've won this case. We'll see if this is the end of the line though. It may still yet get appealed Yeah All right now consider this my uh Audition for for folks on the daily tech news show listenership. We're going to do our best to talk politics without exactly talking politics Here's the story tech bigwigs are all jumping into the political bull today New york times has discovered that the paypal co-founder and gawker fighter and presumably hulk hogan's favorite real american peter teal Has a speaking slot at the republican national convention on thursday the 21st Meanwhile 140 tech executives and investors including steeve wasniak ev williams jimmy wales vint surf Uh and more have signed a post on medium from katie jacob statin opposing the presumptive republican nominee donald j trump So 140 to 1 tech executives If did feel a little bit i'm sure i don't i don't know if it was planned this way Uh did feel a little bit like New york times uncovered this peter teal speaking slot uh this morning and then 140 tech executives tried to gang up on it Well, i mean their their motivations aside I don't know if that is necessarily anywhere near as big a story as teal Uh stepping up and speaking because tech executives taking liberal political positions is not exactly not a headline grabber Yeah, you know a gigantic headline when when when ev williams is Showing up in in a uh a stay woke uh a t-shirt during interviews and stuff like that I think you are you are obviously going to have people that are on one side of the the political Spectrum what's interesting about peter teal number one This in general seems like a a heightening of peter teal's public Persona he is somebody that is very very well known within the tech press very very well known around Silicon valley however now between gawker And donald j trump uh and his support forum and now a speaking slot It carves him out as a silicon valley entrepreneur that now he can be the face of Especially for in the way that we've thought of republican business leaders in the past in automotive and manufacturing and stuff like that and allows him to take Populous positions a lot of people who supported His fight against gawker looked at it as gawker being Somebody that deserved comeuppance because of of irresponsibility, right? That that is a a a populist kind of idea donald j trump obviously running a populist uh candidacy Uh and and you know it's it's interesting to see teal having uh Those associations, uh, you know beyond what he's doing, but also hey listen silicon valley Uh is is officially About his mainstream his mainstream can be when you are speaking at a convention in general in other elections conventions are not exactly Controversial wild west style uh things you have well intentioned well positioned people giving well crafted speeches on both sides of the aisle It'll be interesting to see what he wants to talk about and how he wants to frame his support for for for trump Which is nothing new. Yeah, I think it's very interesting from the apolitical stance of peter teal's somebody who doesn't Really do a lot of public speaking and now he's going to do the most public of speaking And he's also on he's in the clean eastwood slot, right? He's the celebrity speaker He's that guy that comes from an area that stereotypically is from the other side of the aisle And he's going to talk about hey not all of us think that way some of us think this way And so I I think that's fascinating. It's also fascinating to me peter teal often described as a libertarian jimmy wales often described as a libertarian Two sides of this aisle here. I'd love to see peter teal and jimmy wales have a debate About where they think things should go. I think that would be fascinating I mean, they're both extraordinarily smart guys and they have very very different ways of looking at the universe Uh peter teal is somebody that can legitimately say he's got the fingerprints on Uh elements of technology that people use every single day. Sorry usa today I was trying to look up the other real quick. Uh the other list of Uh celebrity speakers among them off the top of my head. I know are a few sports figures and Uh ufc president dana white Which man strange days, man strange All right, uh the hollywood reporter spoke with apple senior vice president of software and services eddy q about apple's tv strategy One of those not impossible but but rare One-on-one interviews with an apple executive where where they could ask him the hard questions and he would answer them Q sidestep the question of whether apple wanted to continue to try to offer a tv service He said whether we're providing it or someone else's it really doesn't matter to us Uh, so there's a the funny article in rico saying what he's saying is we've given up trying to make this happen So fine sling you and everybody else just go ahead for now and we'll get some of your money Uh q also said apple is quote not in the business of trying to create tv shows And that apple is not quote actively trying to buy any tv studio Or or not tv studio, but any studio that was uh in relation to rumors that they would maybe been in discussions to acquire time warner The the hbo parent company. Uh, there are also original programs coming from apple. There's a reality show about app makers There's a rumor dr. Dre initiative, uh, and q sort of said well Yeah, we're we like to try things where we think we have an advantage or can offer someone help But that doesn't mean we're going to get into the business of doing it all the time And q says apple is focused on hardware Making it easy to get your shows with a simple voice command or no command at all and that harkens me back to walter isakson's Quote from steve jobs in the steve jobs biography where he says i think we've cracked television We just need to make the deals sounds like q is saying, you know what we have the interface We know how to do this. We're just trying to figure out how to get the right programming behind it Is this their white flag on on television? For i temporarily remember apple never does anything permanently, but they are essentially saying hey slain Hey playstation view. Hey direct tv, uh, we're we're we're not competing with you anymore We're we're we're pulling up on the accelerator there Here's where things are different though and there is a time factor to it They made the iTunes store deal that revolutionized and changed the music industry When the music industry specifically i guess at that point the five major labels were in a point of crisis and they wanted to try something new With services like Sony and sling already now establishing beach heads and having reluctant partners come into the fold I feel like apples like big First mover advantage like they could have that they could have had with or they did have with the iTunes store Is gone. Yeah, I think that if they did something now historically apple likes to be the second mover anyway So maybe that's not such a bad deal Maybe what they're saying is come on everybody make your mistakes on our platform so we can learn from you and then undermine you later Yes, I just I think that they made an effort and they found that it was going to be hard If not impossible to get everybody under the tent, right? Yeah, I think like what what they are saying now is let's focus on the apple tv Or you know a television themselves, which has always been the big rumor Uh, I I would I'm curious to see if this does represent some See change within them and who knows I would curious I'd be curious to see them really really really taking the apple tv seriously Because you know, I have a just cut the cord two weeks ago I've got a roku that I very much enjoy I have not tried the new apple tv yet. I assume that it is uh similar in terms of of focus But I can see as much as I like my new roku There are very You know open sourcy roku-y kind of elements to it ain't pretty it works But it ain't pretty exactly and you know the the big gigantic tacky ad for some television show or movie that you'll Never watch that's permanently on your home screen like those are little things that you just know Would never happen on an apple device ever right Yeah, and and apple is certainly the prettier of the interfaces that that's for sure You feel you feel good smoothly going around with the It's very soothing to use an apple tv. Did you notice that doesn't get between you and your stuff though? Did you notice that all of hbo's? Uh rappers all have very apple like kind of sounds to them. Mm-hmm That they they all just kind of move in this very like Programmatic, uh all their graphics kind of slide in as if it were an app and they make these kind of apple-y chimes Anyway, just something else to notice Valve is you to statement that it will begin sending cease and desist notifications to third party sites that use steams api to facilitate gambling A counter strike global offensive player has sued several sites and accused valve of being complicit in them Valve denies that it has received any revenue from these sites the gambling Sites leveraged the ability to buy and sell and trade in-game items like weapons skins Of course the csgo lottery has been the reason why all of this has come to pass Yeah, and a lot of people still accuse valve of not doing enough fast enough And saying well, it is your system and you were letting them operate on it But I think they're finally trying to take a very firm line to say no we we don't want them to do that And and this is valves big You know their big responsibility from running the pipes is just maintaining the idea that people aren't going to abuse them I'm I'm glad that they have taken a step toward it Thanks to all those who participate in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Big big thanks to our moderators scotty roland kyle And more who are in there making sure that it works well and stays working smoothly You guys are the best get in there and vote helps us put together a better lineup every day daily tech news show dot reddit.com That's a look at some top stories. All right. Let's get into tesla consumer reports Evaluating autopilot remember consumer reports called tesla like they broke our review system. It's such a good Car didn't have horrible things to say about autopilot them, but they've taken a second look and they think That by marketing their feature as autopilot tesla is giving consumers a false sense of security They note that tesla says that autopilot can quote help the car avoid hazards and reduce the driver's workload on the one hand But they also tell the driver quote is you are still responsible for and ultimately in control of the car Consumer reports as those two messages are confusing the car will do the driving for you But you also have to be in control of it And consumer reports recommends that tesla should disable automatic steering in its cars Until it updates the program to verify that the driver's hands are on the wheel Now tesla says look and in fact in the blog post Responding to the public announcement of the death of joshua brown on may 7th tesla says our system makes frequent checks to ensure that the driver's hands remain on the wheel and provides Visual and audible alerts if hands-on is not detected it then gradually slows down the car until hands-on is detected again Consumer reports is not denying that they're saying that's not enough You shouldn't check every few minutes and then eventually slow the car down You should say your hand has to be on the wheel or it won't work at all tesla responded the consumer reports saying while we appreciate well-meaning advice from any individual or group We make our decisions on the basis of real-world data not speculation by the media Uh I don't know if they want to get in a data fight But let's let's let's back off to them saying you need to change the name of autopilot should they call it autopilot Justin I know you've had problems with them calling it a beta before I think that autopilot's fine and especially when you understand What you know to say okay? Well, it's not like a plane's autopilot It's like well. No, it's more like a plane's autopilot than you might think You know, no there's a reason why there's a pilot and a co-pilot when you see, you know, the pilot get up to go You know to do the bathroom. There's still somebody with their hands On you know on on the controls in a in a in a cockpit, right? You know, there's The idea of autopilot beyond being just a total semantic argument of like well Does this give too much power to the name of this more so than let's say cruise control Right, would it be better if it was you know driver? Mastery I driver assist. I know that already exists But something like that you're assisting the driver implies. Hey that car is not driving itself autopilot You're absolutely reasonably right that yes an airplane's autopilot doesn't in fact fly the plane on its own But that's what everyone who doesn't know how it works thinks So here's where I find this argument to to start to get a little Weird for me is Invariably we get to a point where now we are arguing about what most people know or don't know And that's the focus of the conversation and not Hey, they have to hit a button to say that they want to do this. They are told explicitly you have to have your hands On the wheel What is more important ultimately somebody's semantic understanding of an idea Or all of the warnings and understanding that they get either at the dealership or in the car That instructs them exactly what to do I See what you were saying And I and I think that's a good argument for saying well Maybe you should just change it to make sure their hands on the wheel all the time right because you're saying What we should focus on is the effect Rather than the nomenclature do we call it hands on the wheel and it will drive a little bit better But not totally so don't think that it drives it completely is that well So should we allow for ambiguous what they call ambiguous role allocation, right? That's the problem if if you have an entirely autonomous car You know your role which is to just sit there and let the car do the driving If you're driving your car that doesn't have any autonomous features You know your role you're responsible for everything the car does When the car starts to change lanes and you're like, wow, I don't have to have my hands on the wheel And look what it does that's amazing It becomes luring you into being distracted in a situation where it can be To your death if you're not paying attention And and you can say well, you should just pay attention anyway But that's not the way the human brain works but materially more than cruise control All right, that's a good that's a good question So we there was a 2013 study by the university of strawsburg that found that episodes of drowsiness increased by 25 percent when participants were using cruise control reaction time to emergencies was lengthened by one second on average Then there was a study by the nhtsa in the us in 2015 that found people took three to 17 seconds to take back control of a car That was autonomously driving. So yes cruise control has the same effect, but it's not as pronounced as autonomous driving Well, I mean again, this is not autonomous driving. This is a assisted It is greater than cruise control, but it is not autonomous in that see now This is where we get into semantic problems because an autonomous automobile Is something that does by its name totally drive it by itself right autopilot is something that does 90 of it that you need to have your hands on the wheel in case Yeah, and and by the way consumer reports isn't saying just change the name and it'll all be fixed They're saying we think you should change the name. We should think that you should change the way you market it the way you describe it It's all trying to get to that thing of we hear auto and we think autonomous And so if that's the way people think and suddenly they're not paying attention when they should Then yes, I don't think you should make this illegal I actually don't think it should be taken out of the tesla cars But I do think you need to make a bigger point to people That you are still in charge of the car I don't I don't know that it is clear to people even though it says that you can it's like eulahs You know like wow it says in the eula right there that you're not allowed to do that Nobody reads the eulahs nobody reads all of these things all of this text So that you've got to try other ways to convince people that hey, you know what this isn't an autonomous car yet But that's it's not called the autonomous car. It's called it's called autopilot And words mean what people think they mean and if people think autopilot means autonomous Then that's what you got to deal with well all right so and again Let's let's let's let's draw this back to the numbers By the numbers it is safer to be driving with autopilot Then do not be based on the known fatalities So this has proven to be something that reduces accidents that reduces death We really don't have enough data yet to say that for sure But the early indications are that you are correct early indication But that's fine right at best available a lot of people We were making the point that look there's been 130 million miles before there was a fatality Average is around 100 million for a fatality in normal driving We were making that point to say you can't point to one death and say this is dangerous now Because it's no more dangerous now than the average driving other people pointed out to us like yes But it also doesn't mean it's safe because it's only 130 million miles total versus the average which is You know billions of miles and that's and that's Totally understood right and and and again we are we are dealing with an early situation In terms of how stuff will pan out it has been very clear that from tesla They feel very confident that this will continue to bear out that this is something that saves lives as opposed to puts them In risk and so from their point of view And I don't think anybody in their right mind would say that even diehard tesla fanboys Will say that sometimes they can get a bit shall we say huffy in their responses specifically when it comes to to media stuff uh That that they they very much believe this will continue to be the story you are you are safer with autopilot on However, there is no automotive technology That can be considered totally safe well and that that's the big question How do you determine the danger in something where people die in normal operation? I mean if you want to compare it No autopilot on is also very dangerous. So what is the relative danger between having autopilot on and that becomes difficult Because it is not easy to determine when autopilot prevented an accident It is very easy to determine when an accident has occurred and there have been more july first in pittsburgh july nonton montana I get that but those alone don't prove that this is more dangerous than regularly driving a car nor do they prove that it's safe either But what is a name change? Does it make people more responsible? Does it make people? Like I understand it better. I guess like here is but when we first started talking about this my problem Or not necessarily a problem what I thought would change within tesla is that we'd see a little less Of the big carnival barker put a blogger in a car and let the let let let the car go Super fast so they can scream and yell and show that you know The the the car does most of the driving by itself, right? That that may be some of that now that they've been established would be a little less sensational So uh, they were not at least setting up a culture themselves That I think directly plugs into videos of people playing part cheesy Uh, and and not having their hands on a wheel while the tesla is an autopilot, right? Yeah, uh That I think would change I think their behavior around it is something that I think Like in any business can stand to continue to mature to the environment around it And now that there is a big public death. I think that that is an element that could change it I don't think that it's in the name and I don't think that changing the name from autopilot to Semi autopilot, but only if you're responsible Uh is is is going to make it any more or less safe. I agree with you that that is a horrible name to change it to Uh Yeah, I I don't know. I think there is uh, I I started off thinking like hey roses and rows It really doesn't matter what you call it people are going to do what they want and I still sort of believe that But the more I think about it the more I realize that we don't read we don't pay attention We don't like to hear all the details. We just want to know very simple answers How many times you hear people like stop telling me all these things just give it to me straight What's the simple answer and the simple answer and this is it's called autopilot and people just jump to a lot of conclusions from that Will it save a couple lives if we change the name? I don't know. Maybe will it Not will it kill anyone to change the name? No, why not? well I see I don't think I think that you are skipping over the cost there is to tesla that that tesla has A very specific vision and a lot of thought has gone into why they name them these things And that to to change it is not You know, it's it's not like all of us having all of a sudden having something update in an app and now it's different Right. These these are this is a large decision that they have to make within their own company Uh, and and I I don't think that it is just as simple as a as as a snap there But not to mention it's going against something that i'm sure they've thought a lot about you can't be a company That's been a successful in pioneering Techno technology like this and really putting it on the road on a level that nobody really has before uh Without and specifically with with electric cars because obviously there's a lot of driver assist stuff that's out there with gasoline cars uh Without thinking about this stuff without thinking of the existential ideas without thinking about how consumers are not only Going to react to it but also want to be interested in buying it because it sounds cool They they are in the business of selling cars autopilot Sounds like something cool. They feel like their messaging is strong enough to have it both ways that yes It sounds like something that will make my life easier and make my life safer But I also need to have an involvement and it and it doesn't do it for me Well, yeah, I mean they'll sell more cars if they call it robot drives your car too But that's not true and they wouldn't go that far. So there there has to be a line somewhere We're just argued about where the line should be what I do agree with you on Is I don't think they need to remove autopilot and consumer reports doesn't even say that And and so I think that is important back on october 28th After autopilot was first introduced and before they had put in the requirement that you had to have your hand on the wheel Toyota president akio toiota at the tokyo motor show said if there is a major accident involving automated driving Technological advancement will stop suddenly. There's a lot of nervousness around this in the automotive world So people's reaction Is going to have a big effect on what companies are doing and we've heard some big announcements this week from jaguar land rover and others That they are continuing to explore this. So it has not brought technological advancement to a stop at this point, which is I mean, I think a lot of that is because It came after a certain At least even if just to show early indication After a certain mile marker of life Okay, like yeah, obviously tragedy But uh, the the bigger thing here is if you're driving a tesla and you turn on this feature being called Whatever it is called from now until eternity hands on the wheel Please please for your own safety. Yeah, think of it as something that just takes the pressure off your your arm muscles Don't think of it as something that's going to do everything for you Uh a pick of the day comes from martin and thunderous east sussex Who says hey if you want a little extra google play store credit I don't know maybe to spend on pokeballs. You might want to check out google opinion rewards He says i'm aware some of the audience is already uncomfortable with the amount of data google has on them But for those who don't mind trading a little more privacy for pokeballs, uh, give it a try It's available in the u.s. 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Like I just every five minutes you can you can swing that sign and get all the treasures and yeah It'll be it. Uh, just Man and and uh, you guys have talked so much about this, but it really is So remarkable. It's how how much This game has has taken things over. I mean you obviously used to live in the same neighborhood that I Live in now in oakland, but right in the lake merit area. It is 24 seven Yeah, 24 seven people just around the lake because the lake is a very active spot And it's it's just remarkable. I took a gym for literally three seconds And by the time I'd walked away, we'd lost the gym my apologies for the rest of team valor It's hard. It's hard to keep a gym Eileen didn't even want to go in the gym by the taco bell. She's like, whoa, that guy's too big. Forget it Got trained up Hey, if we're speaking language, it doesn't make any sense to you. Ask your children Thank you. 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No, I haven't watched it yet I'll assume that will make sense to me later on this afternoon This is uh, so how did you watch it? Did you watch it this morning? Yeah sling. Oh, okay Yeah, see I didn't watch it last night and then this morning I was busy doing well I watched the first half on twitter. I have watched the first half That's true. I haven't watched the second half. Yeah, I watched the first half on twitter and then I watched uh the second half On sling today, which by the way, it is so interesting to see Now that i'm watching so much more through sling through the authentication Uh on on their on-demand stuff like amc full Four commercials, right? Uh, but at every commercial break Yeah, uh usa Just a little house ad and sometimes you barely get one of those well and amc. It depends on what time of day I watch Uh, when I was watching better call sol on like Tuesday evening I'd just get an amc promo every break and then it would move on But if I was watching preach if I've been watching preacher on monday, it's like full ad break every time Um I need preacher to to pick up the pace a little bit. I feel like we're we're we're we're getting there based on the end of last week's show But uh, yeah, I feel like Come on. I fell in love with you guys because you were bad like bsi Like I need uh any more need a little bit more bsi. Hey roger. Oh, hey gents What uh, sorry just uh show titles Go for it All right, whatever that page uh tesla presents the heuristic auto liaison version 9.0 Uh any trust hat trick autopilot enjoy responsibly Uh tesla's kind of autopilot semi autopilot It's autopilot that while you sleep pilot Ah Wait a minute. Why is there autopilot? Oh enjoy responsibly versus Um, what was the other one used responsibly roger is wrong. What did I say? What am I? That's from the pre-show. Oh, you're being europe. What am I wrong about? I said because you said I don't like uh Having food delivered to me during move. I don't Uh stop tesla autopilots a podcast about tv All right, I need a pick which one's which one's the best. I like uh autopilot enjoyed responsibly Autopilot enjoy responsibly. What do you think jesson? I like that one. I like it I like that. It's really succinct Done Autopilot enjoy responsibly So wait, what was the thing that we said right before we started the show where we're like that's a whole different conversation Uh, do you remember roger? No Wow, that's how bad our memories are We're sold Wait a minute. Well, we talked about the big torrent thing um We were talking about movies and eating things during movies. Yeah Do you want to talk about the good? Was it the ghost process movie? We were talking about popcorn on trays. Was it that? Yeah, we were talking about popcorn on trays. All right. So what what are these trays? Oh, oh, so you know how they'll give you a tray that has like the four drink holders in the corners Okay, it's gray and it's got a flat space in the middle for your food In the plastic or the they're they're like card. Yeah, they're cardboard. There's some kind of recycled Paper product. Okay. Yeah, like you would get at a drive-through or something. Yeah The people wait They'll people are getting their popcorn on the tray so they'll get in one without Drinks in it Yeah, no, there won't be anything in it, but the popcorn, but they'll be like actually I feel like I may have seen people with the drink in it too But they're like I just want the small popcorn on the tray. So I don't have to reach in a bag Oh Wait, number one the bag is half the fun Because you get layers if you salt your popcorn like I do Man, it is like finding the different levels of of mineralization through a soil Right that's the people are there people who must think that's not fun I want the nice even salting and so I get it to get that if I lay it out on the tray But then it gets cold But then the bag doesn't really keep it that warm honestly So, no, I mean you got to eat all of it before the first credits to really enjoy movie theater popcorn Oh, yeah, definitely I used to feel bad about that until I realized that that was actually the optimal way There's really very little shame I have in in popcorn eating at a movie theater like we will go in fact I just before the before the show I asked I lovely wife Ashley Whether or not she wants to go see ghostbusters on Friday night and because it's a 1055 movie We'll wind up going out or dinner beforehand and then Like it doesn't matter how much we had crossiest mantra Man, we'll we'll crush it there and then I will get the a large popcorn Well, I mean, it'll just be popcorn because it's it's the draft house, but right right It's just it's the only thing it isn't about whether or not i'm hungry It's it's like this is the closest thing I have to heroin addiction It's a popcorn addiction. Yeah, although they don't have bags, uh, because uh, you only get, uh You get like the big metal bowl. Oh, yeah, but that's your house. That's the high-end alimony experience Oh, really you get you get bags No, no, i'm just saying that oh That is the alimony. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah They they don't do bags They they give you a concierge experience Maybe they could chop up some steak in a little bite bite-sized morsels. Maybe I might eat in the movie then They I don't know man I'm one you can always ask the the chef's always open for uh for notes I want you to cut it like I'm like eight years old and can't be trusted with the steak knife in the dark What if you just get it as a shake? You know what that's one of the You know, I had I had a red velvet cake in a shake and I can honestly say I did not enjoy it as much as it Sounded like I would we don't get the texture That's the problem. You just get chunks of freaking red velvet cake in your milkshake. It doesn't it's not all that pleasant It's like getting a bubble tea except you can't suck it through the straw There's no boba No There's felt there's chunks of velvet red velvet cake though. That's improperly blended then No, that's that's your texture tom use a spoon. That's your texture texture Here roger wine, that's the next patreon level So how you feeling about the movie draft there, Justin? Oh, it's coming down to the wire, isn't it? You're not you don't feel like you've got it wrapped up Well, it really depends on how Ghostbusters performs Right now we're looking at maybe a hundred another hundred and twenty million dollar weekend With ghostbusters pulling in Actually, no probably closer to a hundred because right now ghostbusters is tracking anywhere between 40 and 50 and Secret life of pets is tracking around 60 So if we can get another hundred million dollars out of it That puts us in first place and Puts us roughly 200 million ahead of you guys Which means Star Trek Beyond and Suicide Squad Make at least 200 between them plus whatever else secret life of pets like I have a feeling secret life may fall off the cliff Because it's getting panned and all the people who just wanted to see it anyway saw it Yeah, but ghostbusters is probably going to do better than people thought because it's getting positive early reviews Well, but kids movies also don't shed in the same way that like adult movies do Yeah, but there's ice age coming out and finding Dory's still in the theaters I feel like there's a little bit of a kid glut. You don't think that will affect it No, no, I mean because I think kids movies succeed Uh because they have a premise that kids are interested in right right And if it's You know also like The idea that kids movies have to be critically well reviewed is is kind of like a a Pretty Pixar-y kind of phenomenon. Yeah, I know you're right, right? Well, you you don't use the same critical reviewer's eye for like the goonies Well, no, I'm talking about like Where like, you know every five minutes somebody's running into a wall or farting or falling down or eating You know a lot of food or something like that like just those kind of like kids kids movies um You know really pre-pixar how many of them how many animated movies were like Oh, yeah, no, this is also a great film Yeah, herbie the love book was never reviewed that way as far as I know is uh Definitely not I'm trying to think of a critical way secret life of pets 74 percent on rotten tomatoes ghostbusters 75 percent so Well, that's just expectation setting. Isn't it right? They've got the same critical reviews But because secret life of pets was supposed to be great and ghostbusters was supposed to be bad That's interesting that secret life of pets supposed to be great A lot of people were like this looks amazing. I can't wait and then the reviews came out and they're like, yeah, it's all right was there Wait, how was um zootopia? Zootopia was really good, right? Zootopia was really very well reviewed. Yeah It that is the movie to take your child to if you want to show them an excellent film So zootopia was 89 but then again You know, that's a film that very much was It had higher aspirations than I think Like secret life of pets is like hey Does your cat when you leave for work or school like is are they uh fashionista or are they a death metal listener like Like, I don't know. Let's take a look Uh, zootopia was like Hey, let's tell an allegory to the crack epidemic of the 80s. Yeah Well, and with the the flushed pets in secret life of pets I feel like they missed an opportunity to tell an allegory about the outsider and its alienation from mainstream society You are You could you could and they didn't and that's fine All right, uh, that is it for the daily tech news show post show today Thank you everyone. I don't know why i'm accidentally doing then Somewhat offensive imitation. That was an accident. Goodbye