 part of tier one coalition. And tier one neighborhood coalition is a horizontally aligned group. We are not top damn. The steering committee just shows up for city meetings. We pay attention to what's going on and we set up educational opportunities, but really are organizing happens on a horizontal level. For instance, the neighborhood that took part in leading us and getting our neighborhood plans, this last go around, you know, like Mackie Park, like the Westside neighborhoods, should be congratulated. And when we did the, and this has been spearheaded by River Road. They're the ones that stayed on top of it, did the hard work. And so this isn't just coming from us, it's coming from you all. And hopefully that will happen more in the office. I'm a little nervous. So it happened a little more often. I wanna let you know that there are restrooms that go straight out that way down that hallway and that's where the restrooms are. There is coffee and some cookies available over there. If you can spare a couple bucks, we have to pay for that out of our own pocket. We're not a nonprofit. We're not an organization that raises funds in that way. So any money for a little coffee fund could be appreciated. I wanna make a couple of things. I want to thank River Road Neighborhood Association planning team for their work and leadership on this issue. I want to thank Dee DeGonzales from San Antonio College for use of this center. And we try to rotate where we meet. We met last time at Lyft Fund on the West side. We've met on the South side, North side. And so we were really fortunate to get this today. I wanna thank D1 Councilman Trevino's office, specifically Chrissy McCain, for use of some of the charts that they wanted to make sure you understood was for educational purposes only. It's not an endorsement. And I want to make a special thank you to Drian Garza of Monticello Park and her company, JDG Associates. They printed today's handouts and they have offered themselves to print in the future. So we are very thankful. I just wanna send out a thanks. It's not written down and recognized now cast. If it wasn't for now cast, we would not have gotten as far as we have in the work that we're doing. The fact that she records these sessions and other sessions that have to do with city government and we have that at our disposal is invaluable. In fact, I would say a lot of our progress is due to the fact that we have a record of what was said. They are always looking for donations and we will try to make available to you the place where maybe your neighborhood association would consider making a donation to them because without them I think really we'd be lost. So thank you, I'll ask you that when you sign in to meetings, to sitting meetings, that not only do you sign in your neighborhood association and your local coalitions, but could you also sign in as T1NC? I think given the kind of negative press we've gotten from certain organizations that they think it's the steering committee is T1NC, it's like we're the tiny little tip of the iceberg that they see at meetings and they don't realize like there's a huge 46 neighborhood coalition that's underneath and working just as hard, but maybe it isn't as visible as those people that just show up to those specific meetings. So we ask you to please sign in as T1NC when you sign in your neighborhood association and your own local coalitions. I wanna introduce the steering committee. I want to introduce and I'd like you to stand up Butch Hayes, Romani Park, Terry Ibanez from Mission San Jose, Ricky Kushner who did the sign in, Cosma Colvin from Beacon Hill, Ricky is from Tobin Hill, Cullen Jones from Dina Whitty Hill, and Christine Drenn who's not here but is from Keystone. So I guess we can get, oh, our launch, we are going to launch our website and the website will be a place that you can go back and all the kinds of workshops we've done, you can get those materials because the point of you being here is to share with your communities. We don't make these open to like all the communities because we could be unwieldy. So our expectation is that you're taking these back to your zoning people, to your neighborhood association meetings and getting the word out to your communities about some of the things that we've covered. But that website will be launched on July 28th. We need pictures. We're gonna do a banner of rotating neighborhood pictures and if you could send maybe three or four pictures from your neighborhood that are kind of iconic, not just buildings. When I sent it in from Beacon Hill, I sent in pictures of some neighbors helping an elder in our neighborhood clean up her back space that she was getting code violations on and she was unable to do it herself. In fact, my neighbor's working on that this morning and I got a picture of those people working because in the end, the most important part of neighborhoods is neighbors. So please send your pictures to the tier one site and we will put them up on our banner. Where do we launch on the 28th? And I want to thank Susana Garcia for her, yes sir. The address of the tier one website is. It's on the bottom of your handout. On several places I have, this says, for more information it's on the first one. What will the website be? The website will be from tier one. So it's going to be our mission statement, the list of the organization. Not any address. That I don't know yet and I'll send that out right now. And there's a couple of you who, not you specifically, but people have signed in that are legible in their addresses for their email and we've got some of them to come back with their blog. So please make sure that that's legible. Yes sir. Yeah, the address for the website, the upcoming address is www.t1nc.org. Currently it's offline because it's in the middle of construction, but. Okay. Numeral one? Yes, t1nc.org. And we will send that out by email. And that will be our repository of information, things that are happening that we need to be aware of. Charlotte Ann said recently in a current article that the reason she does the work she does is because it's city meetings. No one's paying attention. That our city's being radically changed. Our neighborhoods, the plans to change them radically are happening and no one's paying attention. We're paying attention. And that's what today, part of today is about. Let's talk about land use. And this isn't going to be high tech. This is going to be, actually this is going to be more of a conversation as soon as I, you know, I'm referred everything in some ways, the person that should not be explaining this to you because I'm a beginner. I am, you know, I am not a city retired city planner, but I believe that we need to break this down so all of us understand it before we start having the more complex conversation. Land use is the key to everything right now. Land use, no matter what else you're talking about in our neighborhoods, land use is the thing we need to be paying attention. And they are making changes to land use. And I don't want to appear that everything the city does is kind of nefarious, that they have bad intentions. But it's important for us to see that those unintended consequences, the things that affect our neighborhoods that we advocate for things that help keep our neighborhoods strong. So land use is, think of it as the cover for everything and zoning is underneath it. But zoning and land use are so closely tied together that in some ways you're almost talking about the same thing. There is talk in the city and not from city officials but other people on the peripheral that we could end up going to, this is the first step to what they call form-based zoning. And form-based zoning is if you see a land use, residential, low density residential, and you see all the zoning's that are allowed inside of it, that someone, life in your neighborhood, someone could get a zoning change and not have to go through zoning. What if the city said if the land use is appropriate, you can do any of those that you want. I want you to look at this document because what if you decide that those land uses, that's appropriate, the urban low density residential is appropriate and someone wants to go from R6 to MF18 and given they have the right square footage, right? Like let's just kind of put that aside that they could do that if we had form-based zoning. Now there are things you can do to mitigate the effects of form-based zoning but for today's conversation, we're gonna just think of it in that way. So these are some that I have attached in there, you have not, but you have all of the zoning right now for San Antonio. So if you go, okay, I don't really know what an MP15 is, about the third document in is all of the zoning's that you can look that up. You can send this out by email as well as today. But here's some of the changes that are happening. It is something different than what most of us have in San Antonio. Let's start with low density residential. And before I get started, this was a document that got changed many times as it went through different commissions. So River Road worked very diligently with the city to help think about urban zoning's but by the time it got through all the different commissions in cities, it got changed drastically and that's why we need to take a look at it today. So low density residential is pretty much what the subgroups are, right? So you've got R4's and R5's and R6's. So that means a house on 4,000 square feet, a house on 6,000 on 5,000 square feet. Urban low density gets to be more dense. So you have single family, R3, R4, R5, R6, and then you start to have, it gets to be a little more complicated. You have R and 4, R and 4, that means 4 lot on an R and 4 square feet, you have, I'm gonna show you a chart of your notes. You see it? Come on, the one with the picture. This one, this one, that's what these look like. It sounds like a lot in an urban, most of the time it's 3 in a, or 5,000 square foot long, is actually equivalent to MF 40. It's a lot more. I mean, think about blocks and areas in your neighborhood that could tolerate that kind of density. Because this is the truth of it. The truth is our neighborhoods are gonna change. There is no way that our neighborhoods are gonna stay exactly the way they are in 10 or 20 years. That people are coming, the city powers it be, need to accommodate that, and the money is in our neighborhoods. What we wanna do is guide that change. We want to help neighborhoods viable, that keep people from being displaced. So think about these, not only for today, but think about 20 years from now. What will your neighborhood look like? And it will not look the same as it does today, but can we do it when we continue having healthy neighborhoods? Time to say one thing. So when they're looking at how things are built in the areas, or what these zoning things are, which are very strange, and that can't get into the weeds because people yell at me, this is that. So they do things by square footage, and then by an acreage. And so when you look at an acre, it's 43,560 square feet. So if you have an acre of land, how many are forts, which are one house or 4,000 square feet, you go into one acre. And so all of this is based on either square footage or acreage. And so when you're looking at this, when she's saying a multi-family 33, it's saying that you can have 33 units on an acre of land. But it's only the acre of land without the setbacks, so you have to take those into consideration, the parking, and how many buildings can go on that land. And height too, gentlemen. And so that city of the city is also by height, how high can we go? So when you're looking at a multi-family 18, which is 18 units per acre, so you can only do how many within that in an acre that's usable land. You also know that an MF-18 can go higher than 35 feet. So you're looking at two and a half of the three-story building. If you do a multi-family 33, which goes out to a higher density, you have a higher level of building of 45 feet. So you keep going up in height as well as the number of units that can get on your land. So when you're looking at these three units, you're talking about 45 feet. You're talking about higher. And that may be something we address when the UDC comes up for changes in 2020. But right now, that MF-33, you may say, I only want that on four doors. Not because I don't think a lot can have three houses on it, but because that kind of height doesn't work in the middle of single-family single-story or double-story bungalows or cottages. Much like on Cravings, we can help. Well, we've got those towers right in the middle of a block of single-family homes. Okay, so low-density residential, urban density. I know that there was some issue, and we'll talk about some of the issues in a minute, about the R and the 4 being in low-density residential. There are a lot of folks who have concerns that maybe that would be better in a medium-density residential. Or a new category. Or categories, yeah, a new category. And that's, I mean, this, thank you Barbara. So, you know, we can also advocate for all new categories as well. I mean, we don't have to just think in terms of this frame. We can go, we can get outside the box. Medium-density residential is everything from single-family to MF33s, R and 4s, and then the rest you can kind of look up. So these are 13 to 33 dwellings. And you can look on your chart to see what some of those are. The residential is MF65. I'm not sure why you would want a single-family home in the middle of an MF65, but okay. What's an MF65? That is 65 units per acre. Now think about, if you look at the bottom, then you start to see, like there's an MF33, it's most of our neighborhoods, that's not all our neighborhoods, but there's a lot of neighborhoods on the west side and south side where there is enough acreage to do this. We don't have enough land available for that. But there are some neighborhoods, and some of you might be sitting here today, that they could possibly be something in a high density. But it seems like high density, that's where you'd want it. Yes ma'am. But still in all, as Gemma was pointing out, you can't get stuck on the 33 per acre because for example, I have half an acre and I'm selling the MF33. So that means for me that I can put a max of 16 units on that half acre. If you have smaller lots, the higher the number, it's not that oh, you could never put 65 units on the slot anyway, that's not the point. It's how many units can we fit on that lot? And based on the number per acre, of course the higher number per acre also means the higher number per half acre, the higher number per quarter acre. It's providing for a higher density. Thank you. When you make comments, Gemma Kennedy is from River Road. That was Kostia McColvin from Beacons. Now please introduce yourselves a little bit to know each other. Then you'll go on to neighborhood commercial, community commercial, regional commercial and neighborhood mix to use. Those and urban mix to use. These are the categories that they've got it all in now. So the community commercial, the regional, depending if you have a community plan or a regional plan for your sub area plan, neighborhood mix to use. In Beacon Hill, we have an area on Blanco that is just revitalized around the weekend. And it's been a neighborhood mix to use, but it could end up being community commercial. If I were a person who had a business, I would want to see a bigger customer base as possible. So we have a lot of C1s and C2s in our neighborhood. But the neighborhood mix to use is a little gentler. I just want to say this is very complicated. Yes. And very complicated. And I'll be looking at this a thousand times and see different drinks. The city is going to be doing some workshops because the planning department has been mandated to do so. But also, you know, district one is going to be working and have some preliminary workshop, explain this again. And also to work more hands on, like how many buildings are we talking about? What do we need with our neighborhood? So this is sort of the introduction. Yes. About what maybe you should be thinking about. Because the city really is moving quickly with this. Chris Dawkins, Lakeside Neighborhood Association, what is the objective of this particular work? What are we going for? Do you mean today or do you mean in general? In general. Well, in general, we have a policy because we're horizontally aligned. We don't ever say, even if you're on the steering committee, we don't think we represent tier one. We say we're a member of tier one. And so it's up to each neighborhood to decide what they want to advocate for. I would think there's going to be enough overlap. And there usually is, no matter how different the neighborhoods are, we have some very basic things in common that we might want to decide these are some issues and everybody write their council person. And what I'll send afterwards, what we'll send is all the council people in the mayor's addresses. And here are some things you might want to think about advocating for or not, I mean, depending on your neighborhood. And all we can band together and show up at the meetings and say, I remember, if you want to have this concern, because you need to attend those public meetings. You need to do the input. But a lot of times they don't give you the basic, and I know the cynicism of the input, input. But you want to go when they're informed. You want to at least understand this before you walk in those meetings. So, we'll talk about at the end some possibilities. One of the things we want to mention is why they would put in, for instance, there's some issue about the MF 33 being in a medium density. Like why would you put an MF 33 in medium density? One of the things the city has found in these older neighborhoods is we are full of non-conforming uses. The blocks that Cosma, for instance, lives in Beacon Hill, that whole block is in a 33. The rest of it's low density residential, but there are areas that either grandfathered in. There were a lot of larger houses in my neighborhood that got turned into boarding houses. And then when they kept changing over the zoning codes, somehow they got these zones that were appropriate at one time and still are appropriate. I mean, you could argue, they've already been apartments for a long time. But that's the city's concern is they don't want a lot of non-conforming. Our concern is, this is also a match for the future. So if a developer says, oh, well, I can do in that area of their town, I can do MF 33, let me put up those MF 33s. So we've got, and Councilman Courage asked it at one of the recent meetings, he said, well, can those be grandfathered in? And he never got an answer. So that is a concern that we might have is asking the city what about those non-conformings and how do we help you, grandfather them or what? But WIS is also a road map for the future. And we don't, maybe there's parts of our neighborhood we don't want to have an MF 33. If you're mostly medium and you have a lot of these RMs and R's and suddenly you have an MF 33 and they don't need a zoning change, if it's within that land use, I'm not sure that in all neighborhoods that would be appropriate. Okay, let's look at our neighborhoods. Are there any questions about this? I have a question. Oh, Dalma? Yeah, with the WIS, WIS where? New York Association and the WIS side coalition as well? On the C2, so I was looking at the C2 with the Canadian Marshall and regional commercial. It says C2, so where is the, it's what, if it goes in on the bottom, it says for the regional, that you can do your dealerships, is this gonna go on the size of the land? Because the C2, when you have both, right, there's C2s. So how, when you go and change it, I mean, it's because they're gonna give it to you on the size of your property. As far as what you can put there, because you have two different. Well, you have to look and see and so if you look on the WIS side, here's the Wadalupe WIS side. So, I'm not gonna scroll, I can tell you just because I kept it up here, even though I couldn't hardly read it, but you can see that there are places where there's commercial. And if it's C1 or C2 on the list that I gave you, you can look and see what are the permitted uses for right now. For right now. Yes, yes. And this map actually on the WIS side, and I've given you the WIS side address and I'll be sending it to you as well, but you can go on this map. But this is the future land news map. This is what they're calling the future land news map. It looks to me when I look at my own neighborhood of Bank of Hill that it's pretty much what's there now. But if you look and see quickly, I think the yellow, if someone has a good memory, the yellow is where it's called. That's land news, so yes, maybe. Right. So if you go up to the West side, for example, and looking down, so here, there's LVU, all the parks, near Northwest, Midtown. Use this for example. So the Midtown Neighborhood Plan. You can see that these are parks and schools. This is higher density. This is low density. This is where we are today. But we have like on Fred Road, we've got some industrial that we need to look at. But like this is around where Cosmo lives. These are MF 33s right in there. And we're not sure, and for us, this looks like something most people would say they could live with. That you have the higher densities on the streets and you have the neighborhoods are pretty much the lower density. And one of the things we need to take a look at my neighborhood and what I'm just showing this as an example, because this is what you need to do in your neighborhood is I can look and say, okay, that's a residential. It may be higher density residential. Maybe a place that you could put some denser stuff but all of that is residential. Yes? Yeah, I'm Tony Garcia with the Multities Historica Association. If you look at your neighborhood and you look at the zoning map and you say you print your zoning map and also print your land use map, you can do the overlay and see the corresponding land use for that particular zoning. People aren't aware of that. So for example, MF 33, if you look at your particular locs, you can see where the zoning is and then you can compare that to your land use map to get an idea of how the two correlate with each other. And that should be like one of the, you decided that was our first map. What do we have as an existing land use map? We don't have a future land use map until they've changed. And so we have the land use map to the right there and that's our zoning map to the left. I'll tell you how to get a zoning map. So I know that at least two neighborhoods here today are going through their sub-area plans and they're being asked to give, because we've been so adamant about our neighborhood plans should be included, they are trying to play catch up with that. You understand that was something that was promised. They're upset a little bit because they're saying, well, you know, you're making it to this work. It's like you should have done what you promised. It's like the guy robs you and then complains because he's got to work it off. Work it too hard. It's like, no, no, no. You got to do catch up. And anything about city planners, it's just about policy, kind of being pushed right now, much more than the rest of us who have some time to watch what's going to happen to you. Like you should be looking at this. Plans are about land use and zoning. I mean, there's a lot of stuff about we want to protect our cultural heritage and we want to do this and do that. That's not planning's job. That's not the heart of what they do. That's another department. For them, you should be to you. Should be blah, blah, blah, because that's going to make the difference in your community. So you want to take a look at areas. You want to see what's there right now and visualize in 20 years what you see. And it is always about preserving neighborhood identity and cultural identity. And how do you help preserve that through the zoning and the land use? How do you say I'm where you think they shouldn't be? Or maybe not at all. And some areas, some neighborhoods can accommodate, Meek and Hill can accommodate some density. We have a space for that. Montevista maybe not. I mean, and River Road, they're already developed as far as they can go. But there are other neighborhoods that there is some space still to accommodate some of that. Yes, ma'am. So I'm at Meena's Center from the Montevista Terrace Neighborhood Association. Where? Who? I was going to ask where, but evidently. Who is taking care of the environmental impact and the infrastructure problem? No one's led you. Nobody's taken care of you. Oh, don't worry about that. That'll happen. That's part of it, I'll move. But that is a valuable question. No, I know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I just wanted to respond to that. But that is a valuable question to ask. And I think that other city departments that have been involved in this process understand that, like TCI, we live by the river, so we know the river of authority. And there's been some pushback from these different entities in terms of some of the proposals because of it. So I know that you all have dealt with different entities at the, because of things happening in your neighborhood, but I would ask those departments to vet also, because it is going to require infrastructure changes, mostly. And I always ask, and a lot of us are always asking, how does that displace them? How does that affect property values? Are we going to be able to stay in these neighborhoods in 20 years, is the family down the street who's got young children, are those children that are able to still be in this neighborhood? That's to me the big, because revitalization and form-based zoning, if the developer sees a neighborhood and it's got, and if we do go to form-based zoning or something similar to it, and they say, okay, there's a single family lot, but I can have that change to R and 4, the property values, the speculation, I mean, in my neighborhood, it's already there. They're like vultures just waiting. And so, you know, something to ask is, what about affordable housing? What about displacement and the issues that come with those development? How can we have the best of both worlds? Does it, if we constantly tell them we're again, we're again, we're again, we should be forming a vision. We should be saying, this is the vision we have for our communities, and you need to be helping us achieve that. And we have to understand that people are coming. It's not just for me, it's us. That those people are coming, but how do we have the best of both worlds? Cause I just believe we can. I just do. We're not stupid. You know, we can figure this out, and it doesn't take a sledgehammer, it takes a scalpel. Let's figure out how to keep our neighborhoods like this. I'm Medela Vesa, historic Westside Resident Association. We're just trying to stay alive on the Westside, in my opinion, born and raised there. Density and high rises and everything is always, it's kind of come through, like you said, affordable housing in the United States, and we worked really hard, I know, with coalitions and Dalai Lai, and meeting his sleepless nights after me, and we took, tried to go back to the residence and explain to them, the hard working class of the Westside, right? Just to try to make, to understand, and I know you did our meeting, and we appreciate that, is when I look at this map, I look at it and I'm learning, kind of getting my PhD in Westside, right? To try to understand it. To try to tell a little homeowner, hard working homeowner that this is gonna happen, and this is gonna be good enough for them, that they invested most of their lives, right? So, when I see this, and this is what's gonna be in the future, and you help me understand, is the yellows are residential, the reds are high density. The reds are institution. Institution, so then the yellows are, or the brown, whatever, yellows are in there, are residential. This color here is like single family residential. You have low density residential in a lot of that area, and then you see these talks, so where's Wadalupe Street? Wadalupe Street is in there. The green line? I don't see it. I don't think Wadalupe is here. Oh, okay. Oh, that's where it is. I mean, that's where the density's gonna start happening, because the rest of the neighborhoods have been pushing back. I mean, the only reason we have a voice is because the people just know. I mean, the fact that we are across six, seven council districts, and that we're supporting each other for the first time in history, and they do not, and that voice officials, it means getting out that vote. But we're pushing so hard in the other neighborhoods, the West side is starting to look better and better. And the reason it hasn't so far has been explained to me by a developer is because the locks are so small. Because of the density that already exists, it's hard to lie several locks to put up what they want. But what I don't understand is everybody wants density because it's gonna create better transportation. The West side is the densest part of the city, and yet we have the worst transportation. Like, it's not always about density, sometimes it's about money. And so, that's a point I would bring sometimes because I'm trying to be nice because I'm being filmed. So, and that was just us that inside the city. So Cynthia, what I've read about the corridors is that it's already happening in Anta Samora and Martin and all those areas. Is it folks that already have some form of business there that they're coming through, whether they're gonna keep their business or they're gonna push them back a little bit in their areas, but they're already getting approaches on can you keep the same business you have for a long time, whether it's a little pesticide or a little area. And some of those are happening or might not happen because of the pressures of their land use. As soon as land use changes, you think we're paying attention developers are definitely paying attention. And that's where they start buying the land even as it's going through, they're starting to make those offers. That's not to put down developers. You know what I can say to some developers, they don't lie to us. They want to buy the land cheap, they want to develop it and get as much bang for their purpose as they can. We know that about them. I'm not even sure it's reasonable to expect that they be good players, but that's what the cities for. The city and our elected officials are there to mitigate that and to say what's healthy for our constituents and how can we have compatible and thoughtful development. And so that's what you need to look at when you're looking at your West Side plan is look at and see where can I see that happening? Where can I see some of that thoughtful that will help promote our local neighborhoods? And that person can make a gradual rise in property values so that their property becomes more valuable. But when it goes like this from like in Beacon Hill from there to there in five years, that's when displacement happens. And that is all because of speculation. We have a question back here, of course. Part of it, we need to talk about overlays also. I can't drop in any time because for Monarchy Park we have to consider not only what they're proposing in the land use but how does that reach back to our plan then and the land use in our NCD. And that's important. We've worked through that, because I might think about it in Beacon Hill on Tuesday. We're still trying. We met with the... We did have the opportunity, it was very eye to eye with me, to see people that were on the original NCD writing when they couldn't meet with Derek and we looked at the plan, the original mandate of our plan, and what do we have to say or where are we going with the land use? And just one comment, just a warning and a head up to all of us. Right now the city through the Senate's on its brow is talking about land use. What you see in the charts for zoning is not being proposed yet. That would require a change in the NCD and the city has not started to look at that. We have to be paying attention to make sure that when they start and there is a proposal out there that changes the ICD zoning and that would have an impact because that would go into the UCD also. So he's made it a good point and then sir, I recognize, he makes a good point that this gets much more complicated. Although it doesn't get harder. So you've got NCDs, you've got historic districts, you've got the transportation land use plan. You'll have plans for transportation sustainability that they're working on now, plans for housing they're working on now. That has some zoning issues, attach them some by right zoning issues. Then you have these new sub area plans and Maggie Park is a poster child for a neighborhood being steadily destroyed by zoning changes. In fact, one of the zoning commissioners said, we're destroying this neighborhood one zoning change at a time because it's in such a desirable area. And so those are lessons to be learned as we support our sister neighborhood, but also that, how do you keep that from happening? And yet still do the things that need to be done. Yes, sir. Good job. In general, as we look at the city be going through this metamorphosis and we talk about this, is there, first of all, does schools play into this? They should. And when we talk about schools, the one thing that I hate in San Antonio, we talk about protecting our kids, yet still we put our schools on these super highways and kids go out there and get hit by cars or have the potential of doing that. So as we go forward, I believe that we look at how we develop our neighborhood and when these schools come together, I think that this is something that as a group of all of us, no matter where you live, can look at it and say, when you're going to build a school, especially if it's an elementary school that it'd be deep into the neighborhood. Well, part of that, as a former high school teacher, it's because the land is cheap. The districts look for places near railroad tracks or railways because the land is cheaper, but yes. And when you're talking about displacement, when you're talking about people having to move out of our neighborhoods, that incoming quality in our city, one of the remedies is education. Well, as soon as the school starts to improve, the kids are pushed out that really need it. So all of these are like, it's like tentacles. It's like that butterfly effect that it's not just this one thing, it just keeps building until you realize this, we could get it right this time because we are in history of the city, my family's in the West Side. There are scars all over families in the city where neighborhoods were destroyed for the good of the city, freeway through your neighborhood, or we want to put up that pink mall, remember before UTSA was here that we called it a pink elephant? Yeah, there were people dragged out of their homes in protest for that. Now it's something, yes. So if you are correct in that, the zoning won't be done until later, but it will be done in 2020. They're looking, this is part of what they're looking at for zoning. So when you work for the city or your plan or you're looking out here and saying, what is the zoning we want? What do we have to do with land use to get there? So the two are close and tied together and are important. That's why it's important for us to get as informed as we can be now to understand what's happening with this so that we can make the changes that we feel are important for our neighborhoods at this level. Because if we miss this opportunity, then it's in place already for the zoning and they're gonna be on that, they're looking at that now. So this is stuff, some of us have worked on this for a long time. My head still swims when I'm looking at this stuff. You just have to try and you look again and you look again and you work with it a little bit and you go talk to other people who might have some experience. You ask your council person, you tell your council person this is what land use stuff. I don't know. We need to have more time and ask to sit, even sit with them, see if they know what the land use categories are, see if they love a staff person that's familiar enough with this to help you out because if they don't, what are they voting on? How are they making that vote? So that's also part of what as neighborhoods, we need to be doing when we're advocating for ourselves because for the city's benefit, the sooner they get it through, the better. Both as far as how it keeps the citizens from having a minimal input, but the staff, the council staff also. So we need to push from the bottom up and if you have to, I don't like to say shame them in to admitting they don't know, but say, hey, we need help with this. Can you have a staff person that can help us with this? I'd go to those community input meetings even though it's not about input lots of times, it's about we're gonna show you what we're doing and then you maybe get to put some stickers on some posters or something, but and so you need to speak up with those and say, well, we've looked at our neighborhood land use plan, we've looked at what you're proposing and we're really worried about X. Get specific, pick one or two things and really get them to tell you what that's truly gonna mean. Stiffles that you just have to keep persistent. And sometimes they'll put it in binary terms like on the West side. Well, if we don't do all this, you will stay in poverty forever. No one will ever, you know, we don't dress you up and do all this, you're gonna be just, you know, and I know for some people, that's a genuine concern. Revitalization on the West side and your councilwoman is one of them. Like that's a real issue, but it's not either or. I mean, this is about working and bringing the right kind of locally owned, you know, revitalization to different neighborhoods and not just, well, let every developer come in because we're so poor. You know, there has to be where a pushback and so that there's a ground where everyone's working together. Yes, ma'am? Yes. Can you put the blues apart? Industrial. Industrial. Okay, can you show me where Dibba Heights is and get the story going because it's blue. Yes. See, there's 37 in there, it's a down town. There's 37 in there, it's a down town. What's the blue? See the block. So I'm still going down, I'm still going down to the right. Up to 37. My eyes were right there. What the block is, it's going. Am I in there? No, you need to go back up. Up. That's good. Keep going. And stop. There's this right thing. Can you show me where Dibba Heights, make the association is and also where the story's going? The story's going. That's okay, thank you. If you can't, that's okay. Well, no, it's here. It is, but I have to step up here so people can ask the specific questions. Yeah, I mean, that's where our rights is right there. I'm a blocker, I'm a blocker in the high gen. Right, 37 is in many of them. If you was in the industrial, the blue is an institutional school. So schools or some, oh, it is school. Yeah. The gentleman mentioned earlier about school, I mean about the schools. But what I've seen in my neighborhood, I live right, oh, I'm sorry, my name is Barbara McDonough. I overlap, overlap with Dibba Heights and with the old Dibba Heights and with historic gardens, which is not really made for the association anymore, but I live in that area. And it's interesting, everybody's touched up on a little thing about the infrastructure and the environment. They're on the corner of East Commerce and had very three beautiful historical buildings. We're torn down for whatever reason. And so what I'm seeing is by the time you get ready to speak up, it's a done deal. Sorry, I don't mean to be perplexed about it's both, but it is because what I have in my neighborhood, I love change. Please don't misunderstand me, I think change and growth and development is awesome. But I feel like I've been in this meeting before, still talking about the same things that was done 30 years ago. And it's sad that we get so, you spread out. Everybody can't be at a meeting every weekend during the week. Everybody can't do that. If you can, you're great, okay? But it was sort of hard to keep up with all the meetings and it's sort of hard to keep up with what's going on with overlap with overlap. And my neighborhood is overlap and I really don't know exactly, all I know is I'm a taxpayer. I pay taxes here and they're behind. But on the, in my neighborhood with infrastructure, it's not there. And we have the high density buildings, okay? We have the two, three story apartments that are double. And if anybody tell you, oh, the east side is really flour. I don't know what part of the east side because where I am, all those places that the realtors that went in and did all that work. Fence houses are not for rent and for sale. I don't understand that. So you come along with some new pine and you stick it up, you put a wood up, fence up and you do all this stuff. You take down the original gingerbread, Victorian gingerbread, you put up all this stuff. So it's not selling, you know? And you said 2020, it's not really 2020, it's under 2030 because they're trying to even get that amended to change because Santa 20 is not ready. I just came back from California, California is definitely not ready to get all that pushed back. I commend you for what you're doing. It's an awesome job, it's an awesome task. Well, it's where all these streets are, where all these beautiful little houses and I mean, if you drive in the area, it's just really neat. But you're roller-coastering on the street. What person wants to come from Fort Sanham and drive over there and drive one of those homes but even rent one of those. You know, it used to be where as you had, you could pass a law where there's no alcoholic beverages within five feet of a school. And now, all up and down, it's a fight and it's perseverance, it's perseverance, it's perseverance. I think the growth and development in San Antonio is awesome. I call it SOS, the same old suit, warm dough just with different technology, different ingredients. It's a scare tactic, okay? Because you do have glorified gentrification, okay? Because you can come and you can bribe my property and as a senior, I wanna stay where I am. I wanna live where I am for the past 50, 60 years. I wanna live where I was growing up then. But at the same time, my neighbors can't because their taxes have already grown up and so what do they think? They get what needs to be done. Oh, maybe $50,000 glorified gentrification. What do you do with that? Well, there's, I'm sorry to jump in like that, you know? I mean, the advocacy is ongoing and you're right, it's a big mountain and neighbor, all you can do is try to get as many people engaged as you can, it's a constant battle. But there are people working at the state level. You have to contact your state rep and your senator, Bernal, via Riel, when he was in the legislature. Menendez, they're working at trying to find ways to do something on the property taxes where you have a legacy exemption and so forth. It's just another thing you have to track and keep on top of it. But let your, again, let your counsel person know that that's important, that having seniors be able to age in place. And I know Barbara, she works on senior issues all the time. Betty works on senior issues. This is something they've been fighting for for a long time. And a new commissioner from district two, Chris Dawkins. Oh, yeah. I get those feelings too, like what am I spending my time doing this for? I've been here three generations, my parents were the last time. I have never, ever seen citizens have a voice the way we have a voice now. And it's not, when you said you're doing a great job, we're doing a great job. We just have a new website coalition. When people, this is the first time that we have been forceful enough to push back and we have made huge, I mean just like things I can't even believe that we've been able to accomplish. Part of it's gonna be about getting out that vote. You have to get your vote out. I don't care who they vote for. That vote means everything. And you say that one more time. You realize part of the reason you have power is the vote. Because you, last time we did vote. But this idea that we've been criticized in the press, you know, tier one, and it's like, that we have too much power with our council people. It's like, because they think it's those people that go to the meeting, it's the constituents. Tier one is their constituents. It's 45, 46 neighborhoods across seven council districts of people in neighborhoods who are saying we don't want that or we want this. You have to pay attention to us. Seems like that's called democracy. Hello. Yeah, and so I don't think that's inappropriate at all. So that's why we need to make our voices known with our separate council people that tier one is more than, it's neighbors supporting neighbors. It's standing shoulder to shoulder and saying, this is something we all share in terms of concerns and desires. So where are you? Yes. Yes or no? I'm from Los Cardinos. And when you interpret that, it's the gardens. I was in here in Los Cardinos. I couldn't hear you. I couldn't hear you. It's the gardens. And when you interpret it, it's the gardens. And one time they used to have a lot of little orange and we considered them gardens. And so for that reason, there's people there that has homes, one acre, two acres, three acres. Three acres. In my area, where I live, it's not so bad, but we have about one acre. And so you have to realize that there's three websites. We have the immediate website, we have the middle website and we have the former website. And they're totally different. Yes. They're different in infrastructure, in wells and all that. And I'd like to quote this report, that the middle website started with a summer supper in Santa Mora that was a report made, property values and all that. It went for a door 83%. When they went to the website, middle website, it was rated 0.05, not even one. But that's because of the low density. They were gonna build houses that would have been sold for over 150,000. And they wanted to sell them right there at the website on the Rick Barretta Parkway. Now, I mean, old Highway 90, what they used to call it. And they couldn't sell those houses for 90,000. Why? Because what might be affordable housing for you is not affordable to be because of my income. So we had a lot of trouble selling those houses and then finally, so all of you know, but then now there's the developers going out there trying to buy the land. And they're kind of putting pressure on you. And what they wanna do is they wanna build multiple houses, they wanna build apartments. And we all understand that when you have that kind of infrastructure in your community, for some reason or another, it brings up the crime level. And that's an aspect that we have to look for in other words, once you don't fit all, we do have every part of the city has a different need. So up there on the Rick Barretta Parkway, we built it eventually. It's gonna be a college right now. It's called the West Side Train Center. And so they built the land all the way around and some people are calling for having apartments in Topacat and some of us are saying, no, don't build anything in there. Even though there's a lot of empty lots because we're looking at that 20 years from now where this college is gonna expand. I was having my grandkids this morning when I came to college, about 40 AD down here. And it was just a structure down there. Now we were long, probably about five minutes trying to find this place. So yes, we have to look at this later. And like I say, we have to do a lot of this thinking. If you people want less density, of course, we can accommodate that. But the main thing is that we all have to work together and when it comes to my community, I'd like for you to support us and when it comes to your community, I'll support you. I'll support. What is it? Where are you? I'm sorry, where are you? I thought you were playing with me. Yeah, you're the next one. My name is Brady. I represent the Commission of Reach Hot Welfare Association, the Second Isis Neighborhood Association, San Antonio. Yeah. Basically, all our problems are very similar. It's a very complex issue. If you want to see it in action, wait 12 days in the council. We're going to see them propose a blanket rezoned for the World Heritage Area. Whether you feel this is the greatest thing since life's bread or continuation of 300 year tradition of exploiting the locals for profit. The background of it is this. Basically, they are saying community input, we're basically some community input, your association plans, which can be used for you or against you. They're a double-edged sword. I don't think it's been touched a century. So anyway, the input in the last couple of years that's been proposed, et cetera, on what the community wanted in this area and they are running with that. That is under old terminology. Where is it, for example, to say, yeah, we like housing. Okay, when you say housing, so in that 100 is housing, you get it. When what they really meant or what I interpreted as is we wanted single family or residential or owner-occupied. Our area, for instance, is so poor we're in the opportunity zone. So if you've got any capital gains, park it in our area and you won't be taxed, you hold it for 10 years. A lot of money to be made there. We also have the highest percentage of people in San Antonio that receive nutrition assistance. So if you look at our paper, we're also number two in the mountain range. So if you look at our paper, you think this is a terrible area. I wouldn't touch it to the 10 foot pole, but it's a quite predatory investors and a lot of attention in the area. I don't want your property to go left and right. So once again, it's an example of where you can see how things can be used for and against you and are they going to go forward with this under old regulations, old zoning, old land use, or it will switch your room halfway through. Now this has been changed six times. And so it's the square thing around hold, so to speak. The World Heritage Plan has been changed six times. Yes. It's been modified and changed. Stuff has been added and then retracted. Others have been taken out of the sector. We've knocked it down twice at zoning. It's going without zoning commission approval to city council. So if a mayor's spelling bluster stamp on it, it's going to go through the fair stuff. The other guy, I don't know what to do. But anyway, you'll see the same thing happening all over town, the A Street Bridge and other projects. So this is a learning experience. I hope that you can support the majority of the people in this area that want to see this done right, not done quickly. And I'll give you an example of how complacency is causing problems. The city sent out 2,000 letters, people within 500 foot of any zoning change. And how many they got back? Five. Do you know how many or four of the proposal? One. Four were against it. Those are meaningless numbers. It's four to one against it, but five people know. It needs more than that. So we've gone out, Canada's businesses, et cetera, tried to get it where it is equitable for all, and we're all in this together. What happens in Mankey Park affects us, and it's coming down to us, and it's going to go to your neighborhood. What happens in an undeveloped area, we're already somewhere to the west side. We have larger lives, et cetera. When things, oh, we don't have a large lot in our area. Well, look at that shopping center with that HMB, look at that, what could happen with this. So we're all in it together. We can learn from each other, and I hope that we can do things right, and not quickly and wrong. So hopefully, when we have our website come up, we may have a space for individual neighborhood issues. We really want to focus today on the land use, but because that's an important issue, and the issue you brought up, that might be something we could add to our neighbor, to our site that we can have each of you so that we can have supported zoning. When you have some of the rest of the neighborhoods show up at a zoning hearing, and all of these people are there to speak on your behalf, that makes a difference, yes, sir. My name is Ross Lawhead, and I'm from the Oakland State's Neighborhood Association of District Aids, just north of the medical center, that actually set up in 1931 in their own time. And we live and die by land use and zoning because our restrictive covenants expired in 1951. So we're a lot like within the 410 neighborhood, except that we're not subject to human-built development zoning, which is of course, and Ross, and you all are there. But I wanted to take a couple of observations, because I'm their land use lawyer and land use strategist, frankly, and we've been doing this for 20 years. And we were one of the three neighborhoods that had any representation when the UDC was rewritten in some of the stuff we're talking about today. It's very familiar to us. I appreciate your desire to be horizontal and democratic, but I urge you to come up with a few key issues and shout them to the rooftops constantly, because otherwise you'll get all bogged down and all this and that in my neighborhood and stuff like that. These are the things we need to realize. The people go to college in planning and they are inculcated into two cults, the cult of density and the cult of mixed use. They will relentlessly come at you with these things, and they will go to professional associations and get awards for doing it. So we need to fight that. We need to also recognize that we're victims because we're residential areas that don't have restrictive covenants. Since the 1970s, virtually all development other than the Fortale Housing Projects in San Antonio and Bear County has been in private streets and the gates in very, very high restrictive covenants with architectural control committees. Other than the people that like to live in historic districts or want to be part of downtown life, most people who are not desperately poor don't even have to fight these battles because they live in something that's been totally configured and tied up for a million years. They can't even paint their door a different color. And we've got to sit here and worry about whether somebody's going to put a MF 50. And by the way, MF 33 used to be the most density that you could have. And apartments used to be three-stories high, not four-stories. You could have 50 in downtown. Now we have MF 65. There wasn't even R3. And so what they're doing, the gentleman was really accurate about it. We have a neighborhood plan that we fought the death for. It was unbearable. And what they're effectively doing is saying, okay, they used to say that the land use plan could not be as specific as zoning because zoning was a function under state law. And the only reason that they were blurring these lines and didn't just tell you that your land use plan was, say, R6, was because that would violate state law. And they just had to do it. They wish they could help you. Now you'll notice that they're spreading them out to include everything. So that gives the planning department absolute power to cram down anything it wants, except in the menu. Right? Except in the Alton Creek. So we're lucky with that. So if I could urge you, I've heard this thing about form-based development. We need to be screaming and talking to Mayor Ron no form-based development anywhere. All these things we talked about where you can totalize people and they'll listen to you are based upon the fact that zoning is a political act. If they get a form-based development, zoning will not be a political act. I'm gonna let my neighborhood allow planning unit development because that takes revisions out of the political process. We're just putting the planning commission, which is dominated by the development community. And it's easier for the city. The planning department is underfunded. So they would love not to have to do so much and just let the developers do what they want. And by the way, they get their fees from the developers. Okay? And the basis for political contribution in the city is an unwarranted zoning change, right? Because what can a council person do that Cheryl Scully doesn't tell them no? The only thing they can do is do a zoning change. If they upzone in a way that's unhelpful or crazy, that means that the developer bought that land and surprised where no one thought they could upzone it and they upzone it, they make more money. So please fight form-based development. Please fight the denigration of the neighborhood plans. And I understand this about the neighborhood plan and they're wanting to go to a broader plan in these areas. When you have a neighborhood plan, people in the neighborhood dictate the land use. When they put you in a broader area like say the medical center, regional area, then you're gonna have people like the ones that run the medical center talking about whether there's any apartments in your residential area, you will lose your majority vote on your land use. One other point I know I'm talking about here. That's what I'm saying. I have literally been a strategist about all this proper stuff. So the other thing that they've done is they've allowed your neighborhood plans to become less effective. Because if they are not renewed every five years, they cease to be consistency plans and they become guides. The planning department let out refuse to renew those neighborhood plans because quote, we don't have the resources and we're concentrating in the problem areas. I have an amendment to the UDC that I gave to Rob Sanchez that's been sitting around for a year wanting to fix that. We need to fight that and you can learn all these things about your plan but you need to empower your organization here with five key talking points and you need to figure out what those are. You need to take them back to your neighbors and get the grassroots democratic support coming back up but you need the point of the spear and it's got to be neighborhood plans are not going to become consistency plans. They don't have to be renewed every five years. The amount of work it takes to renew a neighborhood plan in terms of volunteerism and hurting cats is so desperate it takes years off your life. Now they're going to make us do it again for San Antonio 2020. These are the points that we have to focus on and we have to hammer them. Thank you. So, good morning. My name is Terry Viness and I'm president of Missions. I'm host of Neighborhood Association and I just want to make two comments. First, we belong to the South Central Community Plan and when I sit down and I look at that plan and I look at other neighborhoods or community plans, ours, you know, for the amount of time that was spent on that, it's so unspecific. It's like there were two items on the list that actually got done on that and it does need to be updated. It was done in 2005 and the past president had tried to get it updated and it was never done. On the second issue, Brady brought up the issue of the World Heritage Overland Rezone. The land use has already passed. Now they're doing the zoning part and the neighborhoods that are in support of that zoning change are LaBaca, Roosevelt, Lone Star, King William, and Mission San Jose Neighborhood Association. We are in support of it because the residents that live next to those businesses that are going to be changed from C2 to C1 and actually they don't get their zoning change as long as their business is there, they're still C2. But the neighbors have been for years complaining that we don't get a say of what gets built on the C2. So we have a motel that is creating all this crime that was built in 2005. We didn't have a say in it, why? Because it was zoning for that. We have businesses that have tire shops and auto mechanic businesses that are really bad neighbors and the people that live next to them have complained for years and every time we would go and complain to the city, why weren't we told, we said they didn't need to tell you, it's zoning for that. So we would ask, how can we change this? Get the zoning change. The other thing was we want to protect the mission. The land use around the mission, all the missions is going to be community commercial, which is right now have C1 and C2. And so we're supporting it to get with the residents that live next to those businesses and to protect the mission. And I just wanted to say it because I know Brady had asked for your support. And I think that that's where we're gonna have a rub, you have neighborhoods that don't feel the same way on certain issues. So let's focus on the things we do feel the same about, which is to be able to have a voice in our communities. I thank you that you should have been an appearance that of me, but I had your number, right? Yeah, we do. And I think today that we look at our handout for the conclusion of this, there were several issues that we wanna talk about specifically, but I love the idea of coming up with some overreaching things. And those things that you mentioned are actually things that we have been talking about in our meetings. And maybe it's time to have some partnerships with outside the loop for 10 folks to start figuring out how to, because we can never get to your council, right? Because- You have not sitting right behind you. Okay, great. Then let's stay after a little bit and let's talk. And through the website, maybe we can figure out in through email which one of those that you mentioned in any others that we wanna say these are the ones that we always talk about no matter what, because they encompass all of this. For today, there was some concerns about this specifically, the land use proposal that River Road had come up with. One was that in that 33 should be pulled for media density residential. And that those properties that are not conforming the perhaps grandfather, are enforced should be pulled from urban low density residential. You know, look at your neighborhoods, look at those land uses and see if that's appropriate. That the language added in the, and we'll send you the link to the actual document draft says the director of planning department shall make a determination if a use not included in section 35 can reasonably be interpreted to fit in a category where similar uses are described. Interpretations may be ratified by city council on recommendation by planning commission at a regularly scheduled meeting. A lot of folks have concerns that that gives the planning department director too much power to his discretion. And that's something we've been told yes, but it goes through city council, it says may. And we all know that the devil's in the details that those tiny things are the interpretations. So that is also a concern that River Road brought up. Look at neighborhood commercial. We haven't even started talking about neighborhood commercial. Please look at that and your neighborhood and see how you would change any of that or if you would even add some categories and examine the uses specified in the mixed use categories to see if they're compatible with your neighborhood plans. They're generally. Yes, sir. I'd like to go back to work. First of all, I don't like with the cost of density. You notice that it changed all the terms, right? So there is nothing that's called very high density. It's just called normal. When you find out that's in that 65 or whatever. Perhaps he's at it right. But in the low density residential, we need not to let them frame R4. I talked to my zoning commissioner and her recollection is that R4 was one included in the low density residential. R4, RN4. R4. R4. Now, RN4 is different. I don't want to pretend that 4,000 square foot lock is a large lock, okay? And I don't want when we're dealing with stuff where R5 and R6 are the most typical residential stuff everywhere, then that should be medium residential, right? And R4 should be high. But they got R4 calling it low density residential. So if you have a neighborhood plan and your compromise on your land use plan was, you know what, like we have. The houses across the street are all R6 even though we're a large lot of neighborhood. So we're going to allow a critical road to have the land. We're going to agree to the zoning of R6 there and get the permanent zoning. And then we're going to have the land use plan and the land use plan is going to say low density residential. Well, I can live with R5 even though I wanted R6. But what they're going to do by just sticking that in the last minute, which I don't know, but that was from the land development services committee. Was it us? Yeah, and so what happened is we're looking at all these low density and we're on four. So it's one single family house and 4,000 square units. And so that's the whole neighborhood. I guess that's because city lots are smaller than the old neighborhood. It's city-wide. It's almost like you're in the R5, 5,500. Yeah. Yeah, and so there are some. So it has that range. So when you get into the inner cities, you have some that are even smaller. You are in three days. So how it initially was, was that was called low density suburban and then had the higher zoning. But then we said, well, let's have an urban density or low density, which would fit the neighborhoods, you know, in downtown area. And what would they cut it into? So that's how it was. Do we have the R4 being the urban low density but not in the other low density because the trouble is it's a two-edged sword. On the one hand, if you're sitting on R4, you don't want to be grouped with lower density, higher densities and have it all done to you. You'd rather be grouped with a lower density. But if you're me and you were originally said to buy it four and a half acres, you can be grouped to 6,000 square feet along your perimeter road. You don't want that 6,000 square feet to become 4,000 square feet. So in a funny way, we have a divergence of interest even though basically we have a similar objective just because of how we're placed. So if that was in the urban, but not in the other one, then my problem would go away and the problem would remain solved. So, and I think when we're bringing it up, and part of this is it's not even on the website. We made 14 points, so that's where we have to step and do what they wrote. I don't think we're ready to take a vote on this. And I think it's going to take a little bit more time to really read these things, to look at them, to have discussions, where does it fit, how do we protect what we think is our neighborhood's also, but also working with the other neighborhoods. Because this is supposedly going to be a land-use plan for all of San Antonio. And you think how diverse, like, the scope is from the one hill, and it's like an interesting thing. I just thought of a strategy that could be used. And so, the thing has to go to council anyway. Those neighborhoods have a land-use plan where they thought that low-density residential meant something, and now it's becoming higher density. Maybe if we created a couple of other densities from which to select, then we could require as part of the thing going through that the land-use plans and those existing neighborhood plans would be relabeled to those things. So you don't get into the trap that I voted for. One thing that then they changed right away. I think that's what we have to go ahead and discuss and how we were talking about it in our planning committee. You know, that's why we created an urban, it was actually a store, and it had a very small zoning that we wanted in there, but when it went back, what you see now is a blending. So your land-use is supposed to describe what you can do your plan for, and it's sort of a guide to tell you what you'd like to do. Zoning then makes it happen. But now when you're reading the land-use categories, they're very specific. They're really putting in, you know, garden from apartments, which they never defined, and they put all this, which is really attached to zoning. And so they've actually married the zoning with the land-use plan. Now, as to what school, what are, what do you call the houses that they're building out and the apartments, well, the houses that they're fixing out and they're putting, they're adding a little bungalow in the back. What are those called? Well, a bungalow, the little back unit is, if it's meant to be lived in, it's called an accessory dwelling unit. Because there are a lot of them that they have built. Quite a few of them, and it's like, what does that sound? I mean, what is that called? Well, you can have an ABU in any single family zoning. The qualification war becomes that if I live in the main house and I have an accessory dwelling unit that I want to rent out, I have to occupy the main house. So, but I have almost an app right to add that accessory dwelling unit there. Every single family lot has that right. As long as they can meet their setbacks and whatnot. Now, what they can't do is rent out both properties. So there's that qualification. Yes, ma'am? I think those two gentlemen have their heads up first. Okay. Yes, ma'am. I'm just going to be real quick. You're already out of time. In eight months, you will not have the letters you have now because of the election year. Use it to your best effect. Your representatives serve you. Is there privilege? Not their right. So, remind them of that no matter what your position or what you're concerned. Use it to your advantage. With the heart of the eight quote, Kelly Jones didn't want to deal with all the questions and feedback and everything Cynthia. I've got my neighborhood plan here and I've got this stuff and I'm ready to go. I have one contribution. I actually looked at the ball hill Google. A football field is 1.3 acres. I can't visualize what an acre is, but we all know what a football field is. Maybe that's a base to start working off of. And from that, before I get started on all of this, I'm still don't understand why to look at the back page of the first hand ballot and you go through and there's all the bars in the center column right in the MS and all that. And then to the left is the land use plan category of potential zoning districts, you with me? Yeah. Why does say an R4 go through the first, through all through category low density, category urban low and medium density? Why does an R4 just stay in one? I would make the case that probably because density is the issue for the city and for many neighborhoods, you can have those smaller lots that you can have a smaller lot and more density all the way through those categories. So it goes all the way through, gosh, it goes through medium density. Yeah, I accept that. So in here at Beacon Hill, you're gonna have R4s all the way through that. Because we have R4s all the way through. And it's just here in the city. So when you're looking through the Munich codes right now, they're always carried forward. So what when the lower one is then also in the next one? So if you can have an R4, goodness knows you can have an R5. So they'll just put both of those. So an R4 is one house from 4,000 square feet. An RM4, which was changed in 2015, is four houses in a 4,000 square feet. So that's of a higher density than an R4. An R4 is a single family of 4,000. Oh, well, yes, Sam, because we're faster, please. Paulina, well, I'm going to keep on. And on the last two weeks we've been struggling with this issue related to imagine homes coming in and because of old cutting nets, being in the stands of high 50-foot lots into two different 25-foot lots that built two separate skinny homes that's out of character today. But more recently, we've been told that two other developer wants has purchased a lot, 65-foot lot, which, I'm sorry, I don't know if it's R4, or RM4, but we had a single family home on it. That was 12-day-out, and they have at least developers have been told they built two dwellings on the property, not a made in an accessory dwelling, but two, because they have two lot, two to 25-foot lots. But no, no, no, no, no, because this doesn't apply to, it's not covered by the loophole to allow the situation of imagine homes. But they've been told, they've been given approval to build on a single lot these two dwellings that are exactly the same, not a prime in an accessory building. But it's not a duplex, there's like a one-foot space between the two buildings. It's either R4 or RM4, but so when we asked them, so are you planning to subdivide the lot at some point and sell it, sell it, it's two separate lots down the road, and they wouldn't give us a straight answer. So we're trying to figure out, would that be allowed down the road? Well, you know right now like they, and then we got to move on, we do have to strategize the future for running out of time, is that we can help what we thought of as a lot is really a building site. And within that, there are four lots and each one of those four lots, the city is saying they can build something on it. Now our neighborhood is comfortable with that kind of density, but that's not for everybody. And yeah, that's something we have to, that is a problem. Let's strategize about where we're gonna go from here because we're running out of time. Where do we go from here? So, you've heard all kinds of, you have to get in touch with your council people. This is far from being done. I mean, this is still evolving, this is still in flux and there are meetings that they're having that you need to go to to learn more and inform the rest of us. And we need to perhaps come and send out and we can work on that issue, work on some overarching themes and those of us that want to work specifically on that issue perhaps we can meet. And we can work on crafting something that we can send out to neighborhoods. Again, no one ever says this is how tier one feels. I mean, you've seen today and you could have two different neighborhood associations to differently about an issue. So, we're members and but when you say I'm a member of tier one, that means you have organizing power behind you. You are probably going to have support of most of the other neighborhoods. So, why don't we, what? Send out maybe some suggestions about what we advocate for. You have some suggestions here. Take this back and share with your community, Barbara. So, these meetings that you already find friends which says it's an hour and a half and the first 30 minutes is an open house. And for those of us who've been to these before, you know what that means. It means those easels with bats on. And then it says, and a brief presentation. So, when we first saw this, we said, wait a minute, that's not a workshop. Those are going to be staff people that have no power to make any change. And it's basically like a reurgitation of what you see in your handouts. So, I would suggest that the other thing that we do is we have some questions at that time. So, because I think these are just kind of, I'm going and I'm mainly because I want to see what they're doing. But I also think that you need to ask your councilman for workshops for his neighborhoods because these are not workshops. These are being put on by the city staff, you know, they've rainrided this thing through. And I have to tell you something. One day, this woman here, Gemma Kennedy, called me and said, hey, you want to go to this meeting? And I was like, God just woke up, you know. So I said, sure. So, we drove down to the comprehensive plan committee, which is where this is going to go before it goes to council, which is where it went before it went to council. And we were shocked to see what the proposal was. And the draft that some of you all got, the 14th draft, that was the ordinance that they were going to pass. And they were taken into council the next day. And nobody knew, nobody. So you got an email from tier one saying, please call your council person for the next day, less than 24 hours, and ask them to vote no. Well, I want you all to know, every single council person voted no to not accept the ordinance. It was a unanimous vote. And that, and it was during the day they were doing the charter review. So that took four hours. And this was right, divided right after the charter review. So it was perfect timing because more people had time to get to their city council people. But remember that your city council person voted no. They voted to postpone the vote on this ordinance that we spent two hours on. And this is a tip of the iceberg for most of us. So I wanted to just make sure that you ask your council people to have a workshop. And of course, sometimes as council people, they don't understand all the stuff they have to do. They'll say, oh, we'll get the planning department to do a workshop. Really? I mean, I don't think that's a good idea, but there are a lot of planning professionals and you have to find them. And I've been looking at all the colleges and universities. It's difficult, but you need to find people to help you understand it. Your council office should be finding people to understand it. So I just wanted to tell you, now we've already asked District One and they're putting together workshops. We've already been so aggressive about it. But if you don't know about them, you need to call that office. But the other districts that are here, the best thing to do is to ask your council office for workshops so you can understand it. Because as we can all tell, it's very difficult. Thank you. Can you send us a list of maybe some type of facilitators or somebody? That's hard. Yeah, District One? Two. Okay, well District One, Trivino is going to be giving workshops. Right. Okay. And Chris, his staff and hers use a very knowledgeable of this. She's the one who actually designed this. Okay. Little handout because we've got all these questions. She did it in the evening before the council vote. Well, I asked them to use her and they'll be. Sure. And they won't want to do that. And so now people are more neighborhood friendly than others. And she does work with Charles. Okay, Carla. If you speak to Chrissy Q, she'll respond. I just appreciate it. Okay. So if things are happening because we're not paying attention, we're paying attention now. Thank you all for being here. Thank you. We'll have a couple more things to say yesterday. When is the city council proposed to vote on this? Well, it's no longer the Contland first and it's proposed to go to the Contland August 15th. That's what the city clicked on me. But so it hasn't gotten yet to where it's going to go. But as far as I'm concerned, it needs to be postponed. It's a long time. And having bodies at the Contland Commission or committee and the governance, when you show up, those bodies in the room mean something. I mean, you say, oh, well, it doesn't matter. We don't get to speak. I can tell you when that is filled with people, it's almost electrifying. And they pay attention to that. Yes. Just one other issue that I think would be worthy of look at is the issue of the Board of Adjustment. Because something else that happens, because for us, it doesn't matter to them what our NCB said. It doesn't matter what the UBC said. Because they, a majority of those people, seem to be willing to vote for various requests that don't, and they don't seem to be following the stated guidance in terms of what a hardship is or whatever. And so I think that might be even more important, or as or more important than more than some of these other issues. You might be able to help us lead that. One more person. I'm currently serving on one of the regional planning teams. And this is important because they've already started using these land use codes on those. So it's important that we say, if you're certain on one, let's slow down. I mean, they've got their schedule they're trying to beat and all, but this is too important. The other thing is, we need to be recommending to them that we not be doing this planning in a bad way. They have planners, and I'm on the UTSA area. We say, OK, well, right here is UTSA. And over here is a quarry, and over here is a quarry. It's very difficult to see anything else that's on the map. And so the planning takes place. And everyone says, well, if this is going to be a transit quarter, then we'd probably need commercial along there. Without looking at what's already there and the fact that it will have something. In my thinking, it's wise to do it that way, but then step back and look at what's already there and what effect will it have on those neighborhoods. The other thing is, in every one of those plans, those regional plans, I added, they start with listing goals. One of mine was protecting the integrity of existing neighborhoods and that got put in there. It doesn't mean I guess the survey always feels that that's happening, but when I say you have to step back and look at what you said you wanted and the effect it has on the neighborhood. For example, Mr. Lophead is in a breach subdivision that backs up the road. Well, you know that when they do the planning for that area, they don't want to put commercial along there or multi-family. And you have to think about the fact if just one of those properties, one of those acreage properties that has an elderly homeowner, their estate wants to sell that property, then it just becomes a domino effect. So if we need to insist that they look at not just what would be ideal there, but what would be ideal there, given how the neighborhood is now. Thank you. The comes with Coleman is taking notes. And so all of this, when she's finished, we will send out to you the notes on this. And of course, and now we'll have all of this that will be on our website that you can go back and show your community or you have to be refreshed. I think a lot's happened that's really important today that we'll continue on. Yes, ma'am, are you going to close this out? Well, I just want to ask you a real quick question. And actually, it's a definition, and I'd like to ask you here. Well, sir, I'll tell you what. What they say, grandfather, what do they mean? It means they'll change the rules, but the change in the rules won't make you change your use of your property until you change it or so. Thank you. OK, I want to thank everyone for coming. And I just wanted you to know that we've had, at least, 40 people here representing. And this is not exactly accurate because I couldn't see some of the people that came in later, but 25 neighborhoods at least. Yeah. 25 neighborhoods. If you did not sign in, please do so before you leave. And thank you for being there. And we can continue among ourselves talking. We have the room until 12.