 Okay, what's the difference coming into the second year of doing OTA versus say your first year? I think it's a lot different, feel more comfortable. I have a better understanding of what I'm doing out there compared to year one, where I was still trying to figure myself out, try to figure out what the NFL looks like. So I said this year I'm definitely more excited because I have an understanding of what's coming ahead. And from the perspective of having someone like Brady Jarrett to bring you along that first year, but now you have a Calais Camel as well. How's that been for you so far? I mean, I love it. I enjoy every single moment. Just the knowledge you pick up from those guys, you know, every day, especially Grady is someone that I hang with a lot, just kicking out every little knock as I possibly can. Looks like to be out here today playing in front of fans. Well, I love it. Last time we're being out here was for the last game. You know, being back, there's an excitement that goes with it. I mean, it just makes me a little bit more excited for the season. It's nice to be out here, but I'm sure it's still a business trip. You guys still have some work to get out here. It definitely is. You definitely want to come out here, you know, enjoy the environment at the same time, be locked in. The goal is always to get 1% better every time you step on the field. So that's what we try to do today. I think we did a pretty good job at it. Well, it's actually funny. I was in LA. I had no idea he texted me. And he said, I think he texted me. Then he called me. He said, it's Ryan Nelson. And I'm confused. Who's that? And then he said a new DC. Well, it was basically about he was excited as I was. The main point was we're going to have a lot of fun. We're going to put a lot of work in. And that's just what we intend to do. The rest of these OTAs and going into a training camp. Yeah, 100%. You can feel it. You can definitely feel the intent. They intend to be violent every time we are doing the field. I mean, as a defense, our identity is to go out there and be the most physical defense. So you can definitely feel it. He preaches every day. Well, I think for me personally, the main thing that I had to do is add a little bit more weight to my frame. And I think that's something that I made an emphasis off season. And I think I'm about, I have a couple more pounds to go, but I'm right where I want to be leading up to camp. How have you been going through this practice? When you went through this as a rookie, how can that help you get used to and adjusted to? Well, you said competitive. Well, I think as a rookie, everything just move way faster. I mean, you're more nervous and you want to make your mark. You want to impress the veterans. But I think going into your second year, well, I think it comes with experience. I haven't played the whole season. I think everything is just way slower than it was when I first got here. And my knowledge of the game also got better. So I don't say it's a combination of a little bit of everything. Have you guys heard exactly a thing? Have you guys done anything yet? Well, you know, usually as a rookie when you come in, you're not used to the speed, the OTSP. I mean, in college, we don't really have any OTSP. So usually a rookie tends to like go full speed at that time. And it just comes down to learning from the vet. I remember last year when I got here, I was trying to go full speed and I was watching Jake. And at first, I was amazed. I had no idea what OTSP looked like. But I still go into year two. I'm just following the lead. Overall, just how did you feel being at the Benz with the fans here and the energy and having to associate work out? Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up two hours away. Now, in Spartanburg, South Carolina, I mean, it's always been something you hear about Mercedes Benz, Atlanta Falcons, you know, and growing up always. Like, whenever I played Madden, I was playing with the Falcons. So it's just kind of like a dream come true to be here and get an opportunity to be around these guys. But more than anything, just be close to home and just enjoy the experience. Kind of what stood out to you the most about this? It is a state-of-the-art facility. So what's about to you the most today? I mean, it doesn't get much better than this. And you know, I played in here a couple of times already. And you know, now excited to like be here more often and be around this facility and these guys. And you know, the fans, amazing, the people in this organization are amazing. You guys are amazing. So, you know, just happy to be here. I'm really embarrassed to guess that you guys are here. For you, I mean, I know there's no pads or no hitting, but what are you really just trying to improve on during your time? Yeah, I mean, you know, I got here a week and a half ago, two weeks ago. I mean, you guys could see it like, we're definitely, you know, progressing every day. But just building chemistry with these guys and, you know, them seeing how I run routes, me seeing how they like to throw routes and then gelling. I mean, you know, I think, you know, from the first two weeks we can have for me being here, it's just been like great transitioning from, you know, not being somewhere to like now being in the fold and them helping me get along faster and faster. And yeah, just, you know, just really good, just building chemistry. What's your early impressions of Desmond so far? Oh, great, great football player, great teammate, great teammate, great football player, natural-born leader, everything that you want in a quarterback. And obviously he can play and he can throw that ball too. So I'm excited to see what he can do. You know, they play tough-nosed football. I mean, they want to be the most physical group out there. And, you know, I went to Stanford and that's, you know, that's what we prided ourselves on, is just being the most physical and the smartest team out there. And then, you know, letting your natural talent, you know, come about after the fact. And I mean, you know, going up, you hear about, you know, the team, but like being inside is like, wow, so this is, you know, what they have going on. And it's like, it's a really good organization and a really good process and how they win games. And, you know, I'm just excited to help get them to where they want to be. Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing is how welcoming everybody was, you know, right off the back. I mean, you know, it's kind of like, you know, if you change schools or, you know, your first day in the university and you don't know anybody and then you kind of make some mutual connections here and there. And then I felt like two or three days in, I was just welcomed in as a player as if I had been here from the beginning. And I think, you know, that just goes along with, you know, just the welcoming part of the organization that they have going on here and just, you know, how good everybody is, not only as a football player, but as a person. Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing is just not to get ahead of myself. Like I said, I just got here a week and a half ago. There's going to be some good things that I do. There's going to be some bad things that I do. And there's going to, but, you know, as long as I'm working towards getting better every day and, you know, everything that I do bad, learn from it, everything that I do good, build on it, you know, then we'll just keep on steadily climbing. And that's the thing, like, you know, good days are bad days. You've got to flesh it in and move on to the next day and, you know, to get better. No, no, yeah. I heard about this like a couple of days ago. I think it was like last week and I was like, wait, really? You know, fans, you know, family in state Mercedes. Like I didn't, I didn't think I was going to be in here until like late July or August at the earliest. So and this is, this is the good thing because like, you know, your first time here, you don't want it to be there in game day. You want to get a pretty good, you know, taste of what it's going to be like being here. Yeah. So I talked about like building that home field advantage. He wants it to be hard for other teams of players who this help you kind of create that home field advantage. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, definitely you play half your games at home, you know, and if you play half the games, and you already have an advantage, I mean, you know, it's the NFL, you know, you got to find an advantage, you know, the right way, any way that you can. And obviously this is a special place. So, you know, you want to keep it special by winning here. Anyone specifically kind of take you under their wing? Like kind of like when you, you're only here like a week, anyone kind of like, hey man, let me show you the ropes or anything like any teammate specifically? You know, I'd say just the whole receiver group in general. Everybody, like any kind of question that I have, they're more inclined to, more inclined to answer any kind of work that I need. They're more than happy to tell me how it gets done. And yeah, I mean, just the whole receiver group in general, it's like it's not a, it's not a, you know, a group where it's like, you know, like you got to figure it out. It's like, you know, we're all trying to get better together and create that, that core group of people that's going to go out there and battle. And obviously, you know, when one wins, everybody wins. So, yeah. So, you know, why is it so important for you as a veteran to be here in these voluntary workouts and help kind of a younger guy over here? You know, it's important to me. I just enjoy being around the guys. But at the same time, I'm here to work on my craft as well, you know, and, you know, learning new defense, you know, growing some rapport with my new teammates and new coaches. And it's important to me because by the time training can't come, you want to be hitting the ground running and knowing what you're doing. So, and I enjoy being back with the team, you know what I'm saying? So anytime I get an opportunity to touch the field, you know, it's a blessing. I'll just take a full advantage of it. What have been your first impressions of Ryan so far and the defense that he's trying to do? Yeah, man. Super, super intense guy. Super detailed. And, you know, D-line driven. So, you know, I can't complain about that. So, I'm getting some of the, you know, some of the best coaching and instruction I've had. And I'm super, super excited to, you know, see a translate on the field. So, and as far as the whole defense, I mean, everybody taking good, taking to them. And we got some new pieces in. So, I'm excited to see what we cook up, you know, through this time training camp coming. And I think it's going to be a good time. I know there's no hitting or tackling, but what are your early impressions of just Bijan? I mean, you know, certain dudes, you get to see the way they move, you know, especially from the way you carry yourself. And, but, you know, he's going to be a heck of a player. You know, he puts so much tape out already, you know, through his college career. But I'm sure they're going to have a great plan for him. And I don't see him, you know, missing the beat. So, you know, the better he do, the better for the team. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm sure he's going to do a great job. When you see a guy like Bijan, what is it that you saw? You're like, oh, okay, I got it. Yeah, I think just like the movement skills, you know, it just seemed like effortless, nice flow. Hey, papa, you want to come down here? Huh? He's like, why are you all talking about that? He's just, I was excited. Yup, yup, yup, yup. But yeah, Bijan's going to be a super special player, and I'm excited to watch him. I'm glad to be a senior. You're saying effortless, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, just a little movement skills. So, like, y'all hold on, I got to give my baby one second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. We're back on camera. Yeah. You're dick. What's up, Mike? Can we stop back now? Yeah. I feel like I should just ask it. As far as what you're saying after this movement, how did you see that? Like, what was it that you saw? I mean, you've been in the league not going on nine years. Now, you just know when certain guys are ready, there's a little different, you know what I'm saying? And that's why the team went up to choose them, and they've seen some. But I mean, I'm still new, just learning, you know what I'm saying? But so I'm just watching like you guys as a teammate and also as a fan. I'm excited to see what we're going to do in the league. Most about what you're getting everybody together. I know doing all season, you saw the new acquisitions that were coming in. You watched it wrap. Not to see it on the field. What has it been like for you? It's been a really, really good journey and seeing the new pieces come together, you know, whether it's from the free age acquisitions or the draft pits coming along. And, you know, each day is a new day, you know? So you get to see the jail and be better. So playing with the new defense, a lot of new defensive players, and then watching the offense come together with the pieces they put on the side. It's good, it's good to see, you know? And I think it was trending in the right direction. I'm super, super excited for the season. This is a nice trip to come downtown. It's a business trip, too. It has some business to take care of. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, nice trip. It was good to have the fans come here and support us. I think the most important thing, you know, was us to take it as a workday as well, get better the day which we did. And, but, you know, it can't beat that with being in front of the fans, you know what I'm saying? So it's been a good double-ish. So you, you know, go down the line, sign a hundred autographs when you've been talking to fans here or if you've seen the publics, whatever. Do you get a different sense of optimism, confidence from fans going into this season? Well, yeah, I think the fans are always excited, you know what I'm saying? And that's good to have, especially when they're excited about the moves that the team make. You know, they're excited to see me back. I'm like, hey, you know what I'm saying? So that's always a good day, you know what I'm saying? And whenever they take the time out of their days to come support us and meet the world, you know what I'm saying? So it's 100,000 or 10, you know what I'm saying? So that means that the faculty is on their mind and they're in the right place today and hopefully we gave them a good show. And I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of chicken in the egg, right? But when you guys start winning and this place starts rocking, how key will that be for you guys taking that next step building that home field? Man, it's going to be key. It's going to be key. Definitely building a home for an advantage. We did better last season than the season before winning at home. So we want to continue to build off that, continue to win on the road. But we want, when people come in here, they want to fear playing in here. But that's going to start with us taking care of our job on the field first. I want to go back real quick. Allison was asking about Coach Nielsen. You say he's D-line driven. He was up there and, you know, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that like? Yeah, it's cool. He'll be coaching me. He'll be like, we eyes it right there. Like he's looking at me on the side of my face. Like face. So yeah, so he's intense, man. And I'm definitely enjoying working with him and just want to continue to build our relationship but at the same time have him challenge me to be the best player I can be. It's like going into year nine or nine? Nine. What do you want to work on in OTA? Everything. Everything. The best is still ahead. You know what I'm saying? I'm feeling, I'm feeling great with my drive to be the best I can be as high as I can ever. You know what I'm saying? I'm excited to see this team has success. And, you know, as far as long as I've been here, I want to be a part of that, you know? And then so it's just, I can't let this opportunity slip. So at the end of the day, I got to make sure I got myself right and continue to be better. Because this is a lot of stuff for me to get better at and I just can't wait to put it on the field. I know you've been asked about David on Yamada a ton since he's come in here but to now have him actually on the field to guide you. I mean, what kind of sticks out to you even, you know, without the pads on it? Yeah, yeah. Just the type of guy he is, the work that he's had, the leadership that he shows working with the young guys and then I'm learning from him too as far as because it's helping me because he has history working with Coach Nielsen. You know? So when he wants, when Coach wants something to see a certain thing, I can lean on David to show me. You know what I'm saying? So we learned from each other and but I think the fun, the most fun part is going to be on Sundays when we go, we're going to chase that quarterback together. So I mean, it's a good, it's a good match. We knew each other over the years, but to be able to play each other, play with each other is going to be really special. What's something about like his story that kind of, you know, I think, when I think of you two guys, I feel like our stories kind of run parallel with each other and in terms of you entering into the league and kind of being underdogs to a certain extent, what about his story? Do you feel like you either relate to or respect? You know what? I think you said it. I mean, just the, just the underdog mentality and then coming out of it on the end as a, one of the top players at the position. You know what I'm saying? In the league. So I think we, you know, when you got, you know, he been across, across that, across that river with the mother folks, but he not, it came to the good side. So for us to be able to put that together, as I think it's going to be a match made ahead. Tell him before we see him and what's his quality time. What time now means off, he off the charts right now. He look like he a little tired out. He would do a little something, but, but he, I mean, shoot, he might be ready by the season with him thing. Yeah. Yeah. But soon come, soon come, soon come, man. It's in him, man. It's in him. It's in him. Yeah, man. Well, the first thing you see is the size, you know what I'm saying? And that deep, you know, that deep voice, man. Like, so, but, but now I mean, he bring a great leadership, you know, great experience and somebody who came to a team that he believed in, because when we had that point in the career, he was going to go to a team that's going to win. And he came here for a reason. He believed in the team and that means a lot to me and other guys as well. Can that be contagious like that belief? Absolutely. Absolutely. Belief is contagious. You know what I'm saying? Everybody got to believe. If you don't believe, you can't get it done. You know what I'm saying? It's a mindset and the way you go to work every day has transferred to it. You see, it means a lot to you that Clarence decided to come here. Can you speak to him? And what do you mean when you say that? I mean, when you deal with somebody like Clarence, as much success that you had, a lot of options to do, you know, the things that he wanted to do in free agency, you know, playing another year and you're at that stage of your career, you know, I mean, to come to a place like Atlanta where from the outside looking in, you know, people don't believe in us this and that. We believe in ourselves and before somebody come from the outside and believe in us, you know, that feels good. You know what I'm saying? I mean, for me to be able to experience playing with a guy like him, you know what I'm saying? I never got a chance to play football off the field, whatever it is. You know, that means a lot because for a long time I've been the oldest guy in the room. You know what I'm saying? So, and that's been, and I'm, I don't understand myself, you know what I'm saying? So to have that big bit in the room, it means a lot because now I can lean on somebody to learn more, be directed, you know what I'm saying? You know, keeping me, holding me to a certain standard. So that's just going to make me better. You know, I mean, I've been on seven teams like just through my years. You know what I mean? Just going on seven, you know, going on year seven, this is the seventh team I've been on. You know, teams change every year. And I found that you have the most success. You know, when you have a balance of both, you have a, you know, a group of younger guys as well as, you know, some older veterans, man, you need both to win. You know, it brings a combination of different, different ways that you can do and help, you know, get the team to where we ultimately want to go. So, you know, it's a, you know, we're a youthful team, man, but we got guys that love football. We got guys that care. We got guys that are selfless. And, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm very, you know, extremely thankful to be part of this organization. Did it surprise you? Yeah. I was 22, I'm 21. I think the landing was 33. You know what I mean? So, and he had, you know, the production that the landing has had. So, I believe that this is a balance for, you know, younger and older guys is, you know, there's so much talk about positioning. The concept of being able to move around. I mean, you can play out wide in line, slot done, full back. I mean, like, do you think that this offense philosophy works well with your skill set? Yeah, I've been in this offense, you know, a few years now and I've had a lot of success in this offense, part of the reason why I'm here. And, you know, this offense is positionless about, you know, out of those young guys that we're talking about can do a lot of different things, man, and they can help us win. So, you know, like I said, where, you know, being positionless is also, it comes with an attitude of being selfless. You know what I mean? You may not necessarily be playing a position that, you know, you can play in all your life and have so much success at. But, you know, it's for the betterment of the team and guys, you know, guys in this, you know, room and this team, guys on this team and that type of thing, like, so in terms of, like, of these OTAs, is there a lot of learning, a lot of, hey, I have to master XYF, Tiden, you name it. It's the NFL, man. It's the NFL. It's, you know what I mean? And, you know, from the beginning of the time that playbook's been about this high, you know what I mean? And, you know, everybody does their own things, but for the most part, man, it's the NFL. There's nothing new on the defensive side of seeing everything, you know what I mean? It's not really too much you can create. So, the guys know that it's the NFL. It's a high standard. That comes with a level of grasping, the concept of things and understanding not only your summit, but other people's assignments and, you know, what the defense is doing and the wide behind certain things, man. So, like I said, we got the right guys for that. You've been around a lot of corebacks. What are your thoughts on that, sir, you were not around last year? Well, for a younger guy, man, he has a great presence of being a national leader. You know, when he talks, you know, you can listen. You know, I've been around older quarterbacks, younger quarterbacks and, you know, having leadership qualities is one of the most important traits you can have. Clearly, the most important trait that you should have as a quarterback. So, you know, he has that man you know, and just progressing each and every day, you know what I mean, and just always looking to improve, man, I got nothing but great things to say about great teammates, you know, great guy, great player. Why do you think you and Arthur Smith have clicked so well? Why do you think you've been so well on his offense? Just time, belief and trust and one another. You know, Art is a coach that puts belief in guys and that's the concept of that, man. And you know, you oftentimes may not make every play, but them knowing the type of player you are and trusting you, you know, and just continuing to let you unleash and be who you are, man. And you know, I think that there's a great testament to who he was in my career and just, you know, just letting me, you know, just push the needle, man, and just keep climbing. So, I think that's, you know, the highest standard, you know what I mean? Out of me, man, and you know, one of the reasons why I've had so much success in this league, man, and you know, who he is off the field, you know, I can speak for days, man. So, let's take up this whole interview. Go ahead, what's the first thing that comes to mind? We'll save it for another interview, but I'm trying to catch this flight, you know. What do you make of, you know, we always hear, ah, now, it was awesome, man. I think, you know, often times, fans miss the concept of them, like their importance to winning, you know what I mean? Like, not here, not just, you know, just fans all across in sports, man, home field advantage is a huge factor in winning. You know, I don't care how you look at it in pro sports, home field advantage is a huge factor in winning, and the more we can, you know, I mean, that's an advantage for us, man. So, it's, you know, great to be in, it's the best stadium I've played in, the best stadium I've been a part of, man, it's great to be a part of this, man, and I'm just looking forward to the season. A little light, so they didn't open up the roof for you today, but all they kept it closed. I didn't know it opens up. Huh? What? I haven't played here for my rookie year. I don't think I've ever played here. First about the work out here today, and things you got ready to do. It was fun, you know, being in the stadium first time since 2020. So, I really kind of forgot how the vibes were in here, but just being out here, feeling the city's love, it was amazing. Nice trip to come down to have this a business trip. I feel like you guys still care some business right here today. I think we took a step in the right direction. You know, I know it's a small sample size, but what have your impressions been of Jesse Bates so far and what kind of teammate he is? Jesse's going to be a great leader. He's always played in a lot of meaningful football games, and I think it's on the veteran that we can all lean on just from his experiences in NFL. How does that leadership manifest itself so far? I think just being able to let us know what he sees back there, obviously he plays safety, so he has a bigger view of what the offense is trying to do. He's talking to Coach Gray. He said you're one of the first ones in everybody. You guys spend a lot of time together just talking. What's that relationship like? Can you talk about your relationship? It's been great. It's been great so far. Coming in with Coach Gray, he's a really cool guy, personality, more laid-back, so I can go in there and have conversations. And, you know, the things that he's telling me is translating to my play on the field, so I'm excited to keep putting in work. How are you being able to get a fresh start? You know, fresh starts, they don't come around often, so I think when you get them, you've got to put your best foot forward, take advantage of them, so that's what I've been trying to do. That's my mindset every day I've stepped in the building. When you look at this scheme, the first reason we've had two in the sector, what do you see from this game to be able to make you think that it's definitely going to be a lot more time in the game. The windows are going to be tighter, so I think with our D-line, getting to the quarterbacks, balls are going to come out, it's going to be a lot of tips and overthrows, so when that being said, when you get those kind of plays, you've got to take advantage of them. It's going to push us to be better every single day. Both of us are natural competitors, so when we step on the field, each of us want to be the best that we could be. It's been a great time. It's been a great time. I've had no complaints since I've been here coming in, embracing this red start, like I said, and just having that under-document mentality of my shoulder. And coach, our Jacksons say you're a competitor, wedding off track, just a matter of building in there and doing some things. How are you feeling with the fact that they know you're a competitor and we have the athletic experience? I think you have to have those traits to play cornerback in the NFL. So that's what they're saying and I'm going to try to prove them right. And Niels? Yeah, I'm trying to get back to here. Have you been asked about Coach Nielsen so I couldn't hear you real well back here? No, I haven't. Good. I want to ask you about the first couple of times being out there on the field, Coach Nielsen. I mean, from our seat, you know, every time we step on that field, he wants to compete. Remember our first day at OTA's, he made a note that, you know, defense was prepared for warm-ups for the offense was like, so we're already beating the offense. So I mean, I can see that everything he does is going to be a competition. And I think when you have that kind of mindset, it bleeds down to the rest of the defense to where it's like everything's competition. We need to win those challenges. Oh, yeah. My agent, there were a number of good conversations to have. And in the end, I think I ended up in the right place. Was it down at one or two teams, or was it just... I don't know how many there were at the very end, just because, you know, it came down to me and my agent both felt like this is the best place for the money I was going to get. And you know what? I think he was right. So it wasn't necessarily about how many and who, so to speak. I'm sorry, what makes you feel like it was the best place for you to stay? Well, this is where I have most of my experience. You know, I have a lot of time working with Chris, obviously. A lot of experience with, well, I guess as much as anybody else now experienced with this offense since we changed. But, you know, this is just where the best majority of my experience is, you know, play time, what not. So this is where it would have been easiest to stay. And on top of that, there's a level of expectation for you guys, because what you achieved last season, going into the season with the anticipation that you guys could do, what you can do. I think there's belief that we're going to be successful and belief in everything that we're doing here as a team. And so we know that we need to go out there and win games. And that's, you know, we're putting our best forward every single day to do that. And just trying to improve right now is the point, right? So that's the end goal, you know, I think that you obviously have that picture in mind, but then it's day to day working every single drill and moment, and then just keep stacking everything. The first time you were on the field with Bijan, what was going through your head? What were the kind of the first raw thoughts that you had watching the play? I mean, he's amazing. I mean, you see all those guys, all the skill guys that we have, it's impressive to watch. I think it's the time when you're set back because you're out there on the field. Sometimes you're doing something, it just feels kind of like just stand there watching a drill or something like that. We have like 10 seconds of just like off time and you sit there and watch it. You're like, wow, those guys are really good. They're really fast. So it's like, you see that and Bijan's great. I mean, it was a cool thing. Like he texted the offensive line when he got drafted. I was like, and that was really cool. And then just, he's really, really working really hard every day in and day out and has a great attitude with it. What did he text you? Just happy to work with him. You know, I've known him for only for a couple of weeks, but he's been pretty amazing around the building. You've been around for a while. Have you ever texted the offensive line? No, not really, but you get into connections with guys and guys are great and I think it just kind of really speaks to who Bijan is and everything he's about. Were you able to get that tractor? I did. Yes. Yes, I did. I'm very excited. At the end of OTA's that month break, I look forward to using it. So I'll have to post a picture for you guys. What kind of tractors or what kind of tractors did you get? I got a normal well, it's like someone in between so in Mass, I got a long driveway in the winter, so I'm going to use it. I got a little front loader on the front to plow my driveway in the winter. So, yeah, it's a small things. Yeah, yeah. And did anyone ask you about Desmond? Like in the second year kind of what have you seen? I know he had four games last year, but when we were talking to Caleb, he said it's the small sample size and what you guys are going to be able to do. And so, as long as we're all on the same page, Desmond's communicating that if something comes up, just the tone of voice really is like the command of that. He's really he's really been great and appreciative as an offensive lineman the way he goes into it. I don't know anything about quarterbacking, but like he does a really great job as a teammate and, you know, you can't ask for anything better than what Des does. That's really great.