 and Patrick, Bet David, you owe me a sincere apology. You need to man up and offer a sincere apology because this was some clown feminine stuff you pulled involved. Jason talks about the fact that he needed me to go against a guy like Roland Martin because he needed somebody that can go and handle somebody like Roland Martin. First of all, neither Roland or Jason Whitlock are in the top 100 most intimidating people I've ever sat with in my life. And Patrick, Bet David, you owe me a sincere apology. I got two suggestions here to finish this thought off. What we learned from this experience and as well as feedback to you, Jason, to wrap this whole thing up because I'm not gonna comment on this again. Number one, what we learned from this, we will never waste our resources without telling you who's gonna be part of the panel. So when Rob and I had a meeting in others, we said, let's make sure everybody knows before we buy the tickets because it is a waste of our money as well. We also lost money. So number one, we learned from our lessons, made a mistake. Next time anytime we invite with a panel, we're gonna say here's who it's going to be before we spend the money on the flight. But I got a recommendation for you, Jason Whitlock. Your show is called Fearless. If you really wanna have a show called Fearless, you either become fearless and face off with anybody to have a debate with or you change your show's name to Fearful. But you can't say you're fearless and come to a place and then say, we have feminine energy and the person that has the feminine energy is the person that walked out and we're right here waiting for you. Whoa! Oh, Lord! Welcome to the BCV channel. I am your host, Pastor Seco Woods. Hey, Peony, did you like it, bro? Yeah, welcome to the channel, y'all. Welcome to the channel. Please like, subscribe, share, hit the notification bell at the bottom of the video. That way, whenever we go live, post any content, you'll be one of the first to view it. Also, if you would like to support this ministry financially and if this ministry has been a blessing to you, if you'd like to support the ministry, you can do that through. Select the end of the donation links below at the bottom of this video. We really do appreciate it. Thank you so, so much for your support and your tangible gifts of love. All right, so that was just a little simple sample montage, if you will, of some of the things we're gonna be talking about in this live. So hit the thumbs up button, hit that like button, go ahead and tag a friend, tag an enemy. We're gonna get into this live, all right? So how many of you have been following the recent developments between Jason Whitlock and Patrick Bet David? How many of you have been following up on that and been watching the back and forth? I don't think Pat has been going back and forth with Jason, I think so far from what I've seen. Looks like Jason has been, I think he's like two, maybe three videos, at least two. At least two videos, he's already responded and commented on Patrick and the recent issue that he had over the past weekend when he went to Florida. He believes that it was a setup. He believes that it was intentional. He believes that Patrick Bet David intentionally tried to distract him from what he has been called to do on his channel. He took serious umbrage and offense to that, as you can see in his demand that PBD give an apology for what he did. He takes that very seriously, Jason Whitlock did. So I believe that there's a different side to this. I think that there is a different perspective that I wish a lot of us would take. If you've been reading the comments on both channels, on Jason Whitlock's channel or on Patrick Bet David's channel, you can see that the lines have been drawn in the sand as regarding who was wrong, who was right, who intentionally tried to stir up confusion and all that stuff. So, but I'll let you be the judge of it. I'll give my thoughts and my commentary, throughout the course of the stream, but feel free to leave yours in the chat as well. So, brother, you missed it. You're gonna have to catch it on the, you're gonna have to catch the replay, but yeah, I had you in my montage, my brother. I think you like it. I think you like it, man, but welcome. But anyway, listen, so what I did was, I watched both videos of Patrick Bet David and also Jason Whitlock and I tried to kind of like piece together a statement and response and statement segment and video to this. I would hope, I would hope and pray that these gentlemen would be able to have a conversation face to face. It's not like they can't, it's not like they can't, whether they do it simultaneously on both platforms, they can do that to clear the air instead of having, you know, this monologue of thinking and lobbying ill motives to individuals which the Bible tells us not to do, Jason, and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, we're called to a higher standard, are we not? I believe we are. And so I think that conversations like that could have been handled and settled, you know, on a subsequent live stream, instead of it being where now people are, you know, basically calling another man a female. I mean, is that what we're doing now because there's a misunderstanding, which I believe, I was going to tell you right now, I believe it was a sincere misunderstanding that occurred on Patrick Bet David's part. I do not believe it was intentional. I do not believe that this man has divine feminine energy. I don't. I think if we're not careful, and I know Jason doesn't watch my stuff, but it just happens if he does, and one of his contributors or commentators who watched my channel may watch this and share this with him. Jason, I think we need to be very careful of calling people females and saying that they have divine feminine energy because we disagree with them or because something that we may perceive is what they're doing and it's not necessarily a really the case. I think we need to be very, very careful with that. Yes, now, Roland Martin? Yeah, you get no argument with me on that. Roland Martin is a beta. Roland Martin is very sus, very sus. His wife is a pastor. Need I say more? But Patrick Bet David, I would not ascribe or subscribe him being anything other than a man. I've watched this man's content. I believe he holds to the same values that Jason holds to. It's just in this instance, in this regard, it was a misunderstanding that got taken way out of proportion. I think the situation could have been handled much, much better on Jason Whitlock's side. And it's not about me trying to suck up to Patrick David. I don't even know the man. I don't even know Jason Whitlock. I'm just a YouTuber that watched this situation unfold and I'm giving my commentary and my perspective like everybody else is. So again, like this video, share the video, hit the notification bell, smash that video down like Ike Turner. We're gonna get into these comments, all right? So I have the series of clips and I'm gonna play them in successive order and then offer my commentary and you, brothers and sisters, you can be the judge of it, all right? So we're gonna get started with the first one and let you guys hear Mr. Whitlock first. Let me walk you through why I know this was a setup. So and why Patrick David had an opportunity to be honest with me, but chose dishonesty. Now, that's what Jason Whitlock, he believes that this was a setup. He believes that Patrick Bet David was dishonest from the jump. Now again, I don't know how he came to that conclusion. Well, based on his commentary in the video, he just believes that bottom line, he could have been forthright and straightforward with Jason and what his intentions were based on what Jason is saying. I do believe that this was more than what, I think Jason is kind of like reaching on this, but just my opinion. Zare, you said Patrick was looking to exploit both. Well, we'll see, I mean, we'll see. I think there's a different side to that, but I mean, we'll see. That's why I'm playing the whole, each one of these gentlemen's comments, because I think there's a different perspective that I don't see that's being presented regarding this, but that's what Jason believes. Jason believes that he was trying to be, he was being scammed. He said that in his video, but Patrick Bet David says otherwise. Let me comment on something that happened this week. So on Monday, we had, who was it? We had Roland Martin in the house. We did a podcast phenomenon. I had a really good time with them, debate, all of it was great, but certain things happened. Yesterday, Jason Whitlock reacted to a video that he made talking about what we do at Valuetainment, call them in names, a lot of different things. Let me comment on something that happened this week. So on Monday, we had, who was it? We had Roland Martin in the house. We did a podcast phenomenon. I had a really good time with them, debate, all of it was great, but certain things happened. Yesterday, Jason Whitlock reacted to a video that he made talking about what we do at Valuetainment, call them in names, a lot of different things. And he said the fact that he was invited on Monday, it was a setup to him because we were trying to get him, et cetera, et cetera. Let me kind of read you a story, tell you the story of what happened here with Jason Whitlock. So the first time Rob, we invited Jason Whitlock was when? I believe the first time August of 2022. And you have the email of this, if he can zoom in so we can show the first email that went in. And we blanked out his email address, we just didn't want it. So this is the first email that goes, and it says, hey, we would like to have you on to discuss your story, et cetera, et cetera. Patrick's admiration for Jason Whitlock. I've liked this content for a long time. I think he does a good job, whether it's sports. He's got a show called Fearless with Jason Whitlock. So perfect, you send him a message. Nothing happens, you send him another message. I think December of 14th, you send him another email to have him on the podcast. Correct, that's when we confirmed that he was interested in coming in. And then from there, we decided we would figure out a good job. I want to show you these emails so everybody knows because he showed the emails himself as well. Thanks for getting back to me. The interview would cover Jason's career at ESPN, The Blaze, his show Fearless, da, da, da, da. Great, this is the email he showed yesterday, which the date on this is December 14th, right? Then after this, we schedule a time for him to be on the podcast on February 16th. Correct. Then you get back to him because February 16th, I'm either speaking in Vegas or Orlando next week, I've traveled, so we asked to see if we can do it on another date. Simultaneously, when we're going back and forth, the Tyreen Nichols tragic event takes place. So I say, I'd love to have somebody come in to have a show and preferably, let's have a panel to be a debate from both sides of the aisle. Somebody that says, hey, even though the five cops were black, you know, it's still a systemic racism, somebody that says, no, it's not. So we can have good banter there. You reach out to a list of names, one of them being Roland Martin. Roland Martin confirms with you when? February, I believe, 6th. Yeah, he said he was gonna be in town February 6th. Which is this Monday, this past Monday. Okay, so you do that. Then you go back to Jason Whitlock and you ask him if he can do it on February 6th as well. Well, we've initially offered him a few dates to see if he could come at a different time because you were not gonna be here for the 16th. He didn't respond back, so then I sent a follow-up email and said, hey, we have limited dates because the other dates were booked with other guests. Could you do this date? Which happened to be Monday, February 6th. And from there, he agreed and I sent the next email, if you will. So then he gets here, so Jason's downstairs. Roland is upstairs. I walk up to talk to Jason to say, hey, Jason, excited to have you here. Jason says, hey, beautiful building. I couldn't, you know, you guys got a big operation here. I said, thank you. I said, the panel that we're gonna do the podcast with is Roland Martin. How do you feel about Roland Martin? His entire physiology's completely changed. I saw him being very uncomfortable and I didn't like that. Now, to be fair, the email that Jason didn't show his audience when he criticized us is the email he got Friday, three days before the day, the podcast, which I don't think Jason read, so let's show the email on Friday that you sent in to Zoom in a little bit on this email. This email was sent to both him and it was sent to Roland Martin. Can you show the date, February 3rd? Okay, here's the interview, et cetera, et cetera. Monday, February 6th, we'll be at the address, et cetera, et cetera, and then topics. Look at the topic, Zoom in a little bit. Panel discussion on police reform, the 2024 presidential election, the U.S. economy and a mix of current events and trending topics. Key word there is what? Panel discussion on police reform. That's what this show is about. This was on Friday. He could have said who is the panel. Did he ever ask you who's part of the panel? No, he did not. Not once did you get a question from who's part of the panel? No, he did not. Did Roland ask you question who's part of the panel? He did not as well. So neither one of them asked you who's part of the panel? No. No problem. And so far that you heard the clips from Jason Woodlock at the beginning, Patrick Beck David responding to the initial conversation invitation that had occurred in December, leading up until February. It had to be some change of plans for speaking engagements, arrangements that Patrick Beck David had, which had to reschedule and change things around. Now, he mentioned in the last segment, or last clip rather, that neither one asked about who was it going to be on the panel? But the email did state and the email did say a panel discussion, okay? So I'm just laying out all the information, okay? So it sounds like so far, sound like so far. Can't really charge somebody with fraud or trying to take advantage of anybody. If there's email correspondence and nobody is inquiring about who's going to be on the panel. Now, again, that's just what was basically stated. Patrick Beck David said neither individual Roland Martin nor Jason Woodlock inquired about who was going to be on the panel until Patrick Beck David approached Jason Woodlock and said, well, how did you feel about, you know, debating Roland Martin? And that's when things took a turn. Holden lives is dying for engagement with me. I don't have any interest in engaging with Roe. Okay, so Jason said he has no interest in engaging with Roland Martin. Now, again, that's after the fact, okay? That's after the fact. That's after realizing that, hey, I'm in Florida. Now he wants me to debate. He wants me to debate Roland Martin. I have no interest in that. I don't believe that Patrick Beck David knew that until he inquired and questioned him that but I'll let Patrick Beck David say it. Jason goes on and he says, they didn't tell me what it was about. They didn't tell me it was going to be show. This was all a setup. So again, up until this point, this is what's not been shown to everybody in his audience. I go to Jason, Jason says, there's no way I'm going to sit with this guy. He says a couple of different words. He says he's stalking me on Twitter all the time, et cetera, et cetera. So I said, okay, no problem. I don't want to make this guy feel bad because I like him a lot. I like his content. I think Jason is very necessary. I said, Jason, how about we do this? Let's just do podcast UNI and then I'll do Roland's in an hour, but let's do podcast UNI. He says, no problem. Sits in there, I come in here. I tell you guys to prepare to adjust. The moment we're about to walk out, Jason walks out. When he walks out, Mario follows him, everybody follows him. What's going on? They want to make this thing good. Hey, Pat, he's not talking to us. I walk out. I don't have any problem having a conversation. I said, Jason, what's going on? He said, hey, Jason, what is going on? Let's just do a podcast here together. Do you realize how much the blaze pays me? I said, how much does the blaze pay you? They pay me a lot of money and I took a day from my schedule on blaze to be here. I didn't like that because I hate it when people waste my time. I don't like wasting his time. I said, what's your daily rate? I'll compensate you if that's how you feel. But there is no motive here. We said it's a panel. How do you not see that it's a panel? You're not happy to face off Roland Martin. I said, can I offer anything? So I wanted to stop right there before we go to the next clip. So he's basically explaining to Jason, it's a panel discussion. He admits that he didn't say who was gonna be there but it was a panel discussion. I think, I believe, I think it'll be a different... I guess I would understand or take a better leaning toward Jason if the email said nothing about it being a panel discussion and then he would just basically thrust into something that he was not made aware of via email correspondence. If it was all in email correspondence, there was not gonna be a panel discussion whether the names were mentioned or not. But there was no mention of it being a panel discussion. Then all of a sudden, you talk about panel discussion, then I can understand the issue. You're not gonna understand the image in the problem but that's not what was stated in the email. So this is why I believe what Patrick Beck David was trying to reason with Jason. Like, look, if your time was taken away or you thought this was some type of setup or if you've lost money, the man is now saying he's willing to compensate. That doesn't sound like to me an individual that's trying to take advantage of somebody. And it's not like Patrick Beck David's hurting for anything. He was willing to compensate him for the daily rate that he would have lost having to be taken away from his show. So again, I'm just trying to lay this out because again, I'm not seeing how this is someone being scammed, someone being taken advantage of if there was email correspondence. And I agree 100% puny. It is possible that Patrick could have been a better communicator and Jason could have responded better to the confusion and perceived slight. I agree, totally agree. And this is why I'm playing these clips because I think that's what's missing here. But let's continue more. I said, can I offer anything to you? No, can I send you driver? No, I don't trust this. I don't trust that he leaves. No problem. He takes off. I've sat with- Samuel the Bulgarvano. I've sat with a lot of intimidating people, very big names. I just like both Roland Martin because he likes to get dirty and fight. And I also like Jason Whitlock because he's got a complete different perspective. I probably agree with Jason more than I agree with Roland Martin on many of the policies. If you watch the podcast, it was pretty obvious for you to see. So again, did that sound like somebody that's trying to take advantage of somebody? I mean, if we're supposed to put the best spin on situations, then again, if the man is willing to compensate and pay you for the day that you have been out of your own show for that daily rate, then he's explaining, hey, I lean more toward Jason's view than I would ever lean toward Roland Martin. So again, it just seems to be like, hey, you know, I don't know. I'm just asking. It's a possibility. He said, to not be perceived as letting Patrick go off the hook, better could very much include more honest. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if that were the case, yeah. If that were the case, if that were the case, I would agree. But let's listen to what Jason has to say. Get in this car. I'm gonna let the guy drive me to the airport or whatever. And I go, hey, man, are you involved in this scam that value attainment has been playing on me? Is that why you took me on a 15 minute ride to their studio? And the guy admits that, yeah, they told me around, and you know, just take your time and kill some time. Don't get him here until a certain time. They told him to do that. I go, do you know why? He goes, no, I just, I'm just doing what they asked me to do. I was appreciative of the fact that he acknowledged that, you know, that clearly they had instructed him to give me the run around. And it clearly seemed to be, he didn't know this because I don't think he picked up Roland Martin. But I was like, clearly they're trying to keep me away from someone or something they didn't want me to know. So he said, the driver told him one thing. And Jason is basically being taken, you know, taken up guard with this. And again, this is where the confusion and where it starts to take a turn, not for the better, not for the better, but really, really for the worse, because he now has, you know, now his antennas, now he's looking at everybody, you know, from a value attainment, Sus. And it's understandable. I mean, it's understandable. Ty, you said it was a bait and switch. She was being deceptive. Okay. All right, let's see. Anybody else commenting on it? All right. All right, let's listen to what Patrick had to say. This is the criticism that he gave to us that I want to kind of explain to the audience what happened. So both show up here on the podcast. We have Roland who's running late a few minutes. So our driver that was driving up, Rob, if you want to talk about the driver that was driving Jason, you tell him, hey, since other guests is late, you don't have to worry about, if you're running late, it's fine, you're going to be okay. There was no rush to be here at nine o'clock on the dot because our other guest was running late. So we're not going to be able to start at nine. So take your time getting. So you hear the other side, right? You hear the other side where he basically said, this is the reason why we told the driver to take his time. It's no need to rush because basically Roland is not going to be here. He's running late. That was his, that was their explanation to the whole situation on how that took place. So I think that Patrick Bet David isn't a fan of Roland Martin. Thinks Roland Martin is a race hustler and race baiter. Wanted to have a debate with Roland Martin. Roland Martin loves talking and loves attention from anybody, probably was down in Florida, offered himself up to Patrick Bet David because that's Roland's job. Go pick fights with people that disagree with the left, defund the police, anything the Democratic Party is promoting, it's Roland's job to go pick a fight with them and then use all the tactics they trained him in and deflection and distraction and filler bustering and to use all those taxes and then you get a nice little clip out of it, Roland looks like, I took on so and so and look how I mistreated them or blasted them, blah, blah, blah. But so I think Patrick Bet David wanted to have an argument with Roland, knew that as a non-black person, there was some risk in debating a race baiting clown like Roland because Roland will quickly go to, oh, you ain't black, so shut up. And so Patrick Bet David thought, oh, I got Jason Whitlock. I'll have him go into the ring and fight with Roland and I'll stay out of it, I'll just referee the fight between Roland and Jason and I will lean the fight, Jason's direction through my referee and Jason will be good with that because Jason's like me, he doesn't really care about true, he just wants to be popular, he just wants to have viral videos and whatnot and that's not me. I actually do care about honest engagement and discussion and I honestly, I'm not afraid of it. I wanna make sure I got the other clip because I think I may have missed one but let me make sure. This is the criticism that he gave to us that I wanna kind of explain to the audience what happened. So both show up here on the podcast. We have Roland who's running late a few minutes. So our driver that was driving up, Rob, if you wanna talk about the driver that was driving Jason, you tell him, hey, since other guests is late, you don't have to worry about if you're running late, it's fine, you're gonna be okay. There was no rush to be here at nine o'clock on the dot because our other guest was running late so we're not going to be able to start at nine so take your time getting. Okay, so we did hear that clip. I just wanna make sure just for context, everybody was been on the same page here. So Roland believes, excuse me, Jason believes that Patrick Bet David that he's basically being finessed by Roland. That basically he's making this a race issue from what Jason is stating. But again, it seems to be, is it possible that there's a misunderstanding? I mean, is it possible there could be a misunderstanding and things got lost throughout communication? I believe it's possible. I do believe that it is possible. Here for the soul, she said, I like both but it looks like Jason really overreacted, just her opinion, puny responds and said, that's what I'm thinking doesn't mean Patrick dealt perfectly righteous, but I agree with, he agrees with her, Enrico. Okay, but it's a panel of more than two people. Couldn't he not engage with Martin one-on-one? Yep. And actually he said he did that four years ago, four or five years ago on a one-on-one conversation but it wasn't really the baby's face-to-face conversation. And Jason said after that conversation, he lost all interest because he knew that Roland Martin is not the individual that would be easily to be reasoned with. And that part is true. Roland Martin is nobody to basically have an intelligent conversation with. Roland Martin is a beta. Roland Martin is basically the individual that if you're not careful, you will swing on him because he think he knows what he's talking about. He think he can try to talk to you in any kind of way and it just, it doesn't go well. So I totally agree with Jason in that regard. Yeah, I mean, you have to pick the kind of individual that you would have to engage in conversation with. I totally feel Jason on that. Natalya, you said they should have told him as a woman in corporate, Jason was reading between the lines, it was a bit of a setup. They deliberately omitted who would be there but Jason overreacted, okay? Jason was coming with email receipts, but Patrick Beck-David show email exchanges. Did Jason show receipts? Cause the one I haven't watched anymore. I watched the first one after he came back and he laid this stuff out and then I saw Patrick Beck-David show the email exchange which I think are receipts but I didn't see anything else that Jason mentioned again. Cause to be fair, I didn't watch any more videos. I didn't watch any more videos. I just watched this one that I saw with Jason basically charging, Patrick Beck-David was scamming him. Tyrone, you said it was a one-off. I might have been more inclined to the misunderstanding position but other guests on Patrick Beck-David have complained about the same thing. Really? Okay. See again, I don't know that. I didn't know that. That's a good point. Whitlock just revealed that wasn't told to him or the conversation. He said Patrick Beck-David is not all into the bookings and details of bookings. Earola definitely sees everything racing. I don't pay attention to him at all. He's totally a clown. Everybody got the jury back on that. He's definitely a clown. A misunderstanding and Jason jumping to all kinds of conclusions. Cole Ray, you think he jumped to all kinds of conclusions. By the way, subscribe to Cole Ray Conversations. Please subscribe to my brother, Eric Moldrow, Cole Ray Conversations. Yeah, he is definitely King Beta. Craig Maurice, I'm glad you mentioned that. That was an observation that I took away from as well too and I was gonna mention that because he came right off the gate calling Patrick Beck-David divine feminine energy. I'm like, man, really? I mean, I just, but anyway. You said I saw both. Jason had too much name calling, but I signed with Jason, okay? All right. Cure for the soul says people are forgetting that Pat is not a podcast host. He's running a business. He's not in all the details of booking guests isn't easy. Okay. Zarek says very possible, but remember we are living at a time where first is King and embarrassment could be tragic to the content creator. Everybody ain't would quit ducking live conversations. I didn't know who sent the super chat. I just missed it just that quick, but whoever sent it, thank you so much for the super chat. Oh, thank you, brother. Thank you, Cole Ray. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. I'm just going through the comments real quick. Make sure I don't miss anyone that was commenting. Brothers in law, welcome, man. Subscribe to this channel as well. Definitely a lot of misunderstandings going on. Okay. All right. Probably as you said, it seems Jason was blinded by emotions and anger, unable to see or hear things clearly. Okay, you said Jason had receipts on the first video. Okay, I'm trying to remember what video that was. Maybe I must have missed some and I probably did. Okay. And if so, maybe I can put me, clue me in on what he basically was saying because if there's some, if there's either misunderstanding or just lying, then we need to, we need to call that out too. We definitely need to call that out. Yeah. Everybody agree. He's a beta, that's for sure. I think Jason could have, I think Jason still could have recorded the separate interview that was offered. Yeah, I agree. I think it could have happened as well too. Jessica, you said, I see how Jason could have misunderstood the situation, but I don't like Jason bringing up the race car. I agree. I agree. All right, so let's see, where are we? I believe we are, it is now Patrick, David's turn to respond. So let's see what he has to say about that. He said he has his original email and another, but Pat offered more. See, okay, so, and that's my point, y'all. That's my point. I'm just, I'm like, I think we can be balanced with this and say, you know what, both can be right, depending on the situation, but to ascribe your motives to someone without it being proven to be true, I think that's a stress. We got to be careful with that. Now, again, if PBD has a pattern of doing this, you know, for sensationalism and things like that, then that needs to be called out. I mean, but he mentions that in the video later on that they're going to be making some changes on how they book guests, Jason being one of them. So thanks just to remind everybody to hit that like button. Thank you so much, sis. Appreciate it. Let's see. Tau, you said, Jason shared the email that lays out what the interview was to be about. It was to be about Jason, no mention of anyone else. So then my question is, is where did this, where did this panel thing come from? And he responded to it. I guess that's my question too. So, but again, just asking because I'm not following it anymore. Yeah, I agree. I agree, puny. Now, my personal take on it, I don't think Jason, and it could be, but I just don't think Jason would be quick on his feet to respond to rolling with all of the banter and things of that nature. I think, especially now because we have to remember Jason is new in the faith, right? So since Jason is new in the faith, there's a lot of things that Jason still has to learn about Christianity, apologetics, things of that nature. I'm not saying that he can't defend certain things, but I'm recalling when the Black Hebrew Israelites came on his platform and on his channel. And there wasn't much pushback. Thank you, brother Nathan for the super chat. Thank you. There wasn't much pushback on their theology because he wasn't familiar with it, right? So I guess it depends on what the subjects are, but since they were talking about the election and talking about, I forgot the other categories that they were mentioning, but I think that that was the, that would be the point of my concern would be if he were to get into an engage, rolling in a debate, he's not Larry Elder. Jason is not Larry Elder. Larry Elder had already mopped, had already mopped Roland Martin a few years back in Cali at a church, in a church debate. And Roland Martin was acting the fool. I mean, he was acting the fool. The fool was even cussing in the debate at the church. But that was, yeah, I would love to as well too. And he blocked me. Roland Martin blocked me. He told me, go to hell and block me because I called him out on his hypocrisy. But yeah, so that is, that would be my only concern. My concern would just be him being able to think on his feet and being able to respond in real time with the lies that Roland, especially with him talking about the housing and things of that nature, kind of find out these people that he was talking about were discriminated against. These people are Marxists. They weren't being discriminated against. It was other nuances to that that he didn't mention. Of course he didn't mention it. But anyway, did you say that exactly? That's my point. Jason would not be able to dismantle Roland's mess in a quick fashion. Yeah, and that's just my observation. That's my observation as well too. Yeah, and I agree with him. I agree with him too. Right, I agree absolutely, Colerad. He's not a debater and Roland loves to debate. And Roland is a sorry debater at that. I mean, have y'all seen how this dude tries to engage people? I mean, it's just like, bro, sit down somewhere. Please have a seat. Please have a seat, have several ones. Yeah, he's definitely a fool. Roland is that bad. He never answers questions. He deflects and attacks. Roland is that bad. His wife is supposed to be a pastor, a minister and supports abortion and LGBT. Yeah, he's trash. He is definitely trash. Speaking of trash. But let's continue. Let's continue. Let me see. Yeah, I would love to see it too, but it ain't gonna happen. Tell him to unblock me. Maybe if he get the Cajones, he'll debate me, but he won't. And these people, listen, these people know who to engage too. That's another thing. They know who to engage. Well, he gets that kind of platform and he's huge because fools travel in packs. I mean, the black community, listen, we all know that Jason, I mean, not Jason, but Roland Martin has, people like Roland Martin have the black community on lock. I mean, they pretty much lost cause. They are. I mean, it just, that's who they follow. They follow that kind of foolishness. I mean, we're pretty much the remnant ladies and gentlemen when it comes to independent thought, when it comes to logical observation, when it comes to reason and intelligent rationale and conversation, these people don't listen, even, even, what is his name and his name? I see his face and I know I'm talking about black brother. He's a doctor. He also has a YouTube channel, but he's not, he's not, yeah, I knew I'm talking about y'all. Help me, it's the man. And I was trying to get him on my live years ago. But he deals with pro-black stuff. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about what's his name, the Pan-African dude. I'm talking, no, that Umar, that Umar, it's the other guy. It's the other guy. It's the other black guy. He wears glasses and I see his face just that quick. I'm having a senior moment, y'all. Not Ben Carson. No, he has a YouTube channel and it's, oh man, and y'all know what I'm talking about too. Once I mentioned the name. Once I mentioned the name. And I'm not talking about Udmar Johnson. Even though Udmar Johnson, him had had a somewhat debate, but I'm not talking about him. Natasha Richie, no, no, no. Never shy Richie, no. Not Michael Eric Dyson, no, no, no. He has a YouTube channel and I can see his face y'all. He's kind of, he's kind of, boy said, that's it. Thank you brother Corey. Boyce Watkins, Dr. Boyce Watkins. Boyce Watkins don't even like Roland Martin. He can't stand him. He can't stand him. He cannot stand Roland Martin. And rightly so. So they know, people like Roland Martin know who to tangle with. And it's not even gonna be people that, they only have to be Christian, but they know they can see, they can see past the crap. So, but yeah, Dr. Boyce Watkins. Dr. Boyce Watkins. But anyway, so let's get back to the clips. We're almost done with this anyway. So here's Patrick by David. Jason talks about the fact that he needed me to go against a guy like Roland Martin because he needed somebody that can go and handle somebody like Roland Martin. First of all, neither Roland or Jason Whitlock are in the top 100 most intimidating people I've ever sat with in my life. So then he used a race card and he said, well, this is, he would never do this with Jordan Peterson. He's using a race card. You know, what he's trying to do is, you know, he's doing this because I'm black. This is the part that's very confusing. He's a guy that paints himself as a conservative Republican who doesn't like when the left uses their race to act as a victim, but that's exactly what you just did. Jason, I got two suggestions here to finish this thought off. What we learned from this experience, and as well as feedback to you, Jason, to wrap this whole thing up because I'm not gonna comment on this again. Number one, what we learned from this, we will never waste our resources without telling you who's gonna be part of the panel. So when Rob and I had a meeting in others, we said, let's make sure everybody knows before we buy the tickets because it is a waste of our money as well. We also lost money. So number one, we learned from our lessons, made a mistake. Next time anytime we invite with a panel, we're gonna say, here's who it's going to be before we spend the money on the flight. But I got a recommendation for you, Jason Whitlock. Your show is called Fearless. If you really wanna have a show called Fearless, you either become fearless and face off with anybody to have a debate with, or you change your show's name to Fearful. But you can't say you're fearless and come to a place and then say, we have feminine energy and the person that has the feminine energy is the person that walked out and we're right here waiting for you. Whoa! Oh, Lord! Yeah, so I think there's a point to be made with that, but I think there's also, there's a balance to it, okay? There's a balance to how we deal with fools, right? What do I mean by that? Glad you asked. What do I mean by that? The scriptures tell us on how we are to engage fools. So let me, let me share my screen in just a second. Proverbs chapter 26, four and five. Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves that he be not wise in his own eyes. Well, okay, excuse me, Lord, which one is it? Which one is it, Lord? Answer, it determines and it depends on the fool that you're dealing with. Sometimes, and I would agree with Jason, if you feel, if Jason felt that dealing with him after realizing, after realizing that I've already engaged this fool, this fool's gonna constantly be a fool. He's not gonna stop being a fool. It's in his DNA to be a fool. Therefore, I have nothing really to say to him about anything, whether it be formal or informal. I don't care to have a conversation with him. That's one thing, I got that. Then there are other times where it would be necessary to answer a fool according to their folly, unless they be wise in his own eyes. And somebody is gonna have to start answering this fool because Roland Martin honestly thinks that he's smarter than the average circus bear. He really does. And again, I would love to, I ain't gonna lie. I would love to. I would drag that Negro by his ascot. I thought I was about to cut, see? I said drag him by his ascot. I would because this guy, he has no substance. He has no substance and they live in the past. That's another thing. Now, even Patrick Bette David was holding his own when he was dealing with him on his own show. Right? But I would love for the day, I would love for the day to see somebody that knows their stuff. That's, I mean, just notice that either from the hood or they just know their stuff within the black community and they're not afraid and they had that opportunity to engage this clown, Roland Martin. In a public debate and hold him to the facts. No, he can't be running all over the place. No, no, no, no, we, you know, hold him to it. Cause nobody, nobody, he never really does. He runs over like a loose puppy. It's all over the place. All right? So anyway, that is, yeah, I think, I think, I think Maj, I think Maj Terri would be a good one. I think Maj would be a good one. I think Andrew, I think Andrew Sandwell, I would love for Andrew Sandwell to give him the business, give him the work. But see, that's my point. They know, they know who not to pull up on. They know who we're not to pull up with. Trust me, they know this. They're stupid, but they're not dumb. They know. Yeah, I agree. Don't answer in the same fashion, but answer the folly itself. Roland Martin needs somebody to give him that work. Man, it's long overdue. Yeah, he debated at latter L though a few years back. And I think I have the recording. And somehow I think YouTube may have taken it down, but I found the recording. I ended up saving it. But it was a mess, man. It was a mess. I mean, Larry L was coming with straight facts. I mean, straight facts. And Roland could not answer. And then this fool told me he won the debate. Man, sit so, boy. Anyway, but yeah, it was ridiculous, man. It was ridiculous, man. It was, yeah, oh man. Anderson King was definitely my, I mean, look, he saw what she did with the reference club. I believe that's how she became viral off of that, really. Because I mean, she can't, when you have your facts, they can't do nothing. What can they do? Nothing. But throw ad homonyms and dwell in the past, right? Yeah. Sit your ass guy down. Right? Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely puny. Yes, yes, yes. Glenn Lowry is another one. Matter of fact, Glenn Lowry and John McWhorter, both of them. They're men, please. They'll mop them. And that's my point. They know, they know what's up. They definitely know what's up. Yeah, he's still wearing the ass guys, bro. Yep, he's still wearing it. He's still wearing it. He is still wearing it. But anyway, let's finish up these clips and then get to your thoughts and your questions regarding the video. And you all tell me what you think after we play it. As again, I invited Roland to my home, sat down with him for two hours, gave him all the time in the world, dealt with the fact that he wasn't there to interview me or hear me out. I did that four or five years ago. Roland's not honest. He's not a serious person. Powers gave him all the time in the world, dealt with the fact that he wasn't there to interview me or hear me out. I did that four or five years ago. Roland's not honest. He's not a serious person. He's filled with feminine energy. I don't want to wrestle with the male version of Joy Reed and Lizzo. No interest in it. Moved on from and Patrick, and Patrick, Bet David, you owe me a sincere apology. You need to man up and offer a sincere apology because this was some clown feminine stuff you pulled involved. Patrick Bet David has no idea that his involvement with Roland Martin caused him to slip into female behavior. Because he involved himself with Roland Martin, oh well let me be dishonest and disingenuous to Jason Whitlock, that's what happened. Roland Martin's caught up in his feminine energy. He sucked Patrick Bet David into feminine energy and then all of a sudden that feminine energy got down to me and I said, not today, devil. So that's where Jason, that's where he's landed at. Again, I would agree with him regarding Roland Martin. I don't, I just, when I watched Patrick Bet David's videos, the man talks about being a real man. I mean, he talks about the importance of being a man. He talks about the importance of fathers being in their home. He talks about the importance of us as men, not kowtowing to the demands of the culture or anything like that. So when I hear that, I just think, I think that may be too much of a stretch, too far of a stretch to make that toward Patrick Bet David. Again, Roland Martin, absolutely. Patrick Bet David, not so much. That's just my thoughts and my opinion on that. Puno, you said the more I listened, the more it sounded like Patrick became collateral damage in the wake of Jason's disdain for Martin. See, I mean, it's possible. That's what I'm saying. I just believe this was taken and blown way out of proportion than what it had to be. This could have been handled on both sides in a discussion, a live discussion. I'm talking about between Patrick Bet David and Roland Martin because technically, technically they're on the same side when it comes to values, when it comes to conservatism, when it comes to him, these guys are agreeing with each other. You see what I'm saying? So that's my take on it. But I wanna put it last clip. This is the last clip from Patrick Bet David and here's what they mentioned about the email. This is what happened to the story that he didn't cover with you guys when he went on a three hour, two hour live talking about this while I'm trying to pull my kids down. Everyone's calling me. Let me tell you what you said. I'm like, dude, I'm putting my kids down right now. I'm spending time with Brooklyn yesterday and I'm having a very good conversation with my oldest son because of what we're working on with his grades. Rob, did I miss anything else from what I covered here? The only thing I would say is that in this email chain, I asked, and it's not on this email here, but in a subsequent email, I asked for plugs to mention, social media handles to mention and Jason responded to that. So he was reading the email. There's no way you could skip this portion and then answer the portion below and provide your social media handles for projects. I did see that email because he responded to it. I did not know that. And then we had subsequent emails after that. His flight was delayed, but I mean, it was all in the same email. So it was there for him to see if he had asked us, we would have absolutely said, hey, here's the other panelists that we're working on lining up. So I guess my question is, so what are we to do with this information? How are we? Let's just say, let's bring the cookies down from the top shelf. Let's say that happened to you. Okay? Let's say that happened to you. What would you do? What would you have done? How would you have handed the situation? As a believer, as a Christian, as an ambassador of Christ, how would you have handled, how would you have dealt with the situation? If you now realize that there's somebody that's gonna be on the panel that you don't really care for, that you don't really like, but you're gonna be discussing these issues. And it's based on the information that I have. That's why I played the video clips. I let you see the emails. If there's other ones, hey, let me know. I mean, I'll look at it. Maybe I'll do a subsequent live on that one, but it doesn't seem like it was intentional deception, especially when Patrick Bet David said, you know what, going forward, hey, we have no problem. We lost money too in doing this because we sent the email out and the emails basically said it was gonna be a panel discussion. So again, I just, you know, if the email didn't ever state that, now if Jason has emails showing that it did state it, that it didn't state that it didn't have, that it wasn't gonna be a panel discussion, that it was just gonna be just him. Now I know initially, I think the initial email was that, but then he responded to the other emails, correct me if I'm wrong, you know, in the chat. But Jason responded to the other emails showing that it was going to be a panel discussion because in fact, we remember in the clips, in light of the Tyree Nichols, things change. And so he said, well, let's have a panel discussion. Let's have a debate or whatever, with two, with both sides, one believing that it was racist, another believing that no, we're just an issue of bad policing, whatever like that. And so there was a pivot, there was a switch. So I think that's what the email showed in the context rather of it being a panel discussion. Now, could the names have been mentioned? Yeah, the names could have been mentioned, but it's just because they're not mentioned doesn't mean that, okay, there's deception in that. I think you have to prove that there's deception in that. Now again, if other people are saying, hey man, you need to start letting people know this and then you don't care and you're trying to set people up then I can understand that. But I think we have to be very, very careful to try to judge person's motives and saying that this person is wrong or this person is insane or this person is scamming me if there's no proof and evidence of that. Smart Christian, you said he wasn't comfortable with rolling after the car ride. He should have simply rescheduled with Patrick and refrain from the name calling. I agree. Now, I don't think he's saying that they were in the car together. They didn't ride in the car together, but yeah, the car ride to the hotel or from the studio. Yeah, I think that there was, I think there was an opportunity, man, that was missed. But I do believe again, I do believe again, that when it comes to debating a person like Roland Martin, I don't think Jason Whitlock would have the skill to do that. And I'm not saying skill in the sense of not being able to respond, but being able to respond to dismantle the lies in the manner that it needs to be done. Like an Elariel, like an Angela Stanton King. Because again, Jason is new at this, y'all. He's new in the faith and he's new when it comes to conservative values. So all of this is, I mean, he's getting this stuff. We're seeing Jason grow before our eyes spiritually speaking in real time, okay? So I think we, be patient with him and at the same time, but listen, but too much is given, much is required. I mean, he has people, he has people in his corner, he has pastors and other brothers in his corner that are able to help him and that's a blessing. But again, we're watching him develop his theology and his ideology and his worldview before our very eyes. And it's not all bad. I'm not saying that either, but I am saying when it comes to, like people like the black Hebrew Israelites and things like that, he needs to be very careful. Because again, giving those people a platform and then they're not being pushed back in real time, that can open up a door that you're not gonna have a successful time, I believe, closing. Jason is a writer and he is definitely best at forming his thoughts, I agree. He is definitely, I mean, he can hold his own when it comes to him writing, doing monologue and doing and writing scripts. I mean, he's a journalist, he's a writer. So that's his skill, that's his will house, I totally agree. But yeah, so what do y'all think? I mean, what do you think? Do you think, do you still believe it was a setup or do you believe it was something that could have just been considered and chalk it up as a sincere misunderstanding and look, we move on from it, we learn from our mistakes. It costs me money, it costs you money. I was willing to compensate for it, but it was not intentional, but we're bone. But let's not shoot our own here. I think that that's the lesson that we all need to learn with that. I wanted to share these couple of scriptures and then we'll wrap up. Proverbs chapter 18 verse 13, the Bible says, he who gives an answer before he hears, it is folly and shame to him. We know this verse, but I think we need to always be reminded of that. We need to make sure we get all the information before we try to describe and try to conclude that a person is wrong and or in sin. And again, verse 17, same chapter. The first to plead his case seems right until another comes and examines him. Matthew, Henry and his commentary in this verse he says, quote, let me see, let me move my hand right the way here. He said, this shows that one tale is good till another is told. He that speaks first will be sure to tell a straight story and relate that only which makes for him and put the best color he can and upon it. So that his cause shall appear good, whether it really be so or no. The plaintiff having done his evidence, it is fit that the defendant should be heard, should have leave to confront the witnesses and cross examine them and show the falsehood and fallacy of what has been alleged, which perhaps may make the matter appear quite otherwise than it did. We must therefore remember that we have two ears to hear both sides before we give judgment. And I say amen to that, amen to that. So again, what's my take on it? I believe it's just misunderstanding. I believe it's a misunderstanding. I believe I would apply 1 Corinthians 13 7, the A portion, love believes all things, puts the best spin on a situation as much as we possibly can until the facts prove otherwise. Let me go through these comments real quick. Prover, you said, I believe Jason was in his feelings, definitely not a setup. Erica, so you gotta watch the replay because you came in late again. D.W. said it was a misunderstanding. Tyra, you said you gotta watch it again too. Tyra, do you remind me to make Tyra a moderator? Please, if you can, remind me if you, or if you can do it in the room there. If you can, if you know how to do it. If not, I'll try to do it later. I do appreciate your work, too, Ms. Tyra. Thank you so much. Derrick, you said Patrick was not being forthright. He always informs others of who exactly would be on radio or TV. Okay, some people say he does, and some people say he doesn't. Again, I'm just putting the information out here. Big picture observation. Leave it up to Puny Giant to come with the words of wisdom. Fearless versus value-tainment. Crowder versus daily wire. Project Veritas controversy. Tim Poole controversies. The conservative media movement appears to be unraveling and I would say a man and we are eating our own. Eating our own, my brother. Deacon, you said, I think that you should have a conversation with each other in private and then move forward, yeah. David, you said a live debater has to have the skill of playing the devil's advocate, not only knowing your facts, but the person you're debating and their demeanor, you have to be quick-minded, absolutely. You gotta be on your snaps. Thank you, my sister. Thank you. All right. So, yeah, so that's all I wanted to say about this. I wanted to do this video and again, hear your thoughts in y'all's comments on that as well. But that's it. I did two lives today. I'm gonna see what else I wanna do and get myself into later on, but that is the live on this one. Please, if you don't mind, please like this video. Please share the video. Let me know what you think about this video in the comments below. Again, leave me any ideas or thoughts about future topics. I am trying to crank out some videos and content as well, but that only can happen if you guys hit that like button and share these videos, because that is how it gets through the algorithm, all right? Cory Minor, we haven't forgotten about our debate, sir, have we? Cory, Mr. Minor, Mr. Minor, Mr. Minor, Bueller, Bueller. Yeah, we're supposed to be having a debate, sir. Yes, I kinda do. I kinda do. I kinda do. I'm a full-time content creator now, boss. When we gonna have this conversation about the atonement and who Christ died for, hmm? Remember, you promised me. Got to give the people, give the people what they want. Yeah, let's give them what they want, my brother. Shum on. Let's give them what they want, Mr. Minor. Let's shoot for next week. Let's shoot for next week, my brother. How many of y'all would like to see me and Cory Minor debate on for whom did Christ die? And his man's will really free. I want to be free. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna play that when we do our live. I want to be free. Yeah, we gonna do that. Mm-hmm. Shoot, shoot, shoot. I want to be free. Yeah, we gonna do that, Cory. Come on. Yeah, who bringing the snacks? How many of y'all would like to see this? In love, of course. In love. How many of y'all would like to see yours truly and y'alls truly have a robust, verbose debate? See, I see that. Okay. Ah, yo. Oh. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yo. Yeah, wouldn't it be, this would be better than pay-per-view. Huh? Let's get it. I got the time. Give me the opportunity, brother. Hmm? You need to pray about it? Yeah, I'm gonna give you some time to pray about it. How about that, Cory? You seem to be a righteous man. Go on, seek the Lord. Seek the Lord and see what the Lord say. I think the Lord is telling me to tell you, let's do this, like Brutus. Cause we always knew this. I'm dating myself, huh? Battle of the ball, brothers. We can call it right there, Erica. Yup, we can call it that right. That's a good title. Battle of the ball, brothers. Yeah. Let's get it, baby. Let's get it. Two Titans. Let's go. I wanna see the debate take place in front of Marcus Rogers Church with Bagani as the mighty man, look. That would be comical, to say the least. Oh, man. All right, all right. I'm gonna leave your brother alone. I'm gonna leave your brother alone. I don't want him over there palpitating and perspirating and pacing the flow. I don't wanna do short people like that. All right, but anyway, y'all. Yeah, also, listen, share that video that I did this morning about Eileen Gray and the elders at GCC. Please share that information. Please put that out there. The articles and whatnot. People need to know the truth, all right? So, bro, don't forget the other debate too. Yeah, remind me that one too, bro. Hey, bro, I'm here now. I'm here. I'm here. Yeah, sure, people got no reason. I know, huh? None. None. Listen, they got no reason so bad. That's why I don't know why they ducking. Anyway, I'm out of here, y'all. That's my time. Appreciate yours. You guys have a blessed weekend. Y'all know the drill. Until next time, y'all know the drill. Whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. God bless. You're still here? It's over. Go home. Go.