 Bill all right, we're gonna go ahead and go live guys. Oh We're going live. All right Alrighty then I think we're live We're gonna be testing audio here for just a second as we usually do so this is me Matt saying some words My voice still is a little Clearing my throat for a while anyways me saying words Josh some words, please Saying words all the words so many words by the way We we got Jen to install it again because you know, I can't leave Jen to you should just stay with gent I'm just saying it's it's your distro man. It's gay It is my distro But you know, I also hopped to these other districts and found bug reports So I am contributing to these other districts that I jumped to Yeah, Steve some words, please Here's these are some words health and long life to everyone. Oh Right, I need to get a coffee cup. I don't have anything here to drink so I can't cheer. I can't toast you DT looks weird That's great Tyler some words, please Oh Words I'm saying words. I would like you to tap on your microphone. Make sure you're coming through the right source You're not coming through the right source I predicted it and I was it was true Input Line USB, there we go. Okay. Now. Are you coming through your mic? I think I am You saw much better much clearer tap on your microphone them to check Yeah, give us a tap it No, no, don't know This is a this will have to headset Mike We're good. It's definitely not that one. So you're going to the right microphone This discord is is cancelling out his taps on his one on his yeah, I'm sure the pod All you do got to do to test it get close and say something like pizza or something like that some of the plosive All right, so this is so this is me testing this microphone right here. Yeah, you're definitely going through the right one Perfect. I mean honestly, it doesn't sound bad the better ways it you know, if you live on the wrong one I just don't stay on it Word it'll be okay. It's gonna be good. Hello people. Hello. Holy shit goes Don't don't fuck with the audio right before the podcast Steve. You should know better It's like Josh five minutes before the podcast. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna compile pipe where it sounds like a fantastic idea I'm sure you probably could That said I am compiling chromium right now, so I can't really compile anything else Red what Redcore comes with? Pulse audio by default and I've wanted to try hyperland But in order to do that you have to have pipe way right if you want to you know capture screens and shit wait Wait, don't use hyperland on Redcore right now because the the xdg desktop portal that you need to record your screen is not available Why isn't it available? Well, it is available, but it is masked be behind 50 different repositories in Gentoo's Experimental repository not the testing repository the experimental one. So don't do it. It's not a good idea Masking is by far the worst part about gentoo Well, they're yeah, but gentle being a bleeding edge. Why is it are they running pulse? You mean well, we mean Redcore being bleeding edge being it running pulse Well, I don't know why they chose to run pulse probably because they have problems with pipe wire just like a lot of other people There are some issues with pipe wire if they're using open RC, but I think they use system D. No it uses open RC Pipe wire works with open RC Doesn't work is it? Yeah, it's got it's got issues and that and that's the reason why they don't go with it. All right And also, I mean if you're not using Wayland, it's not like you need pipe wire over pulse audio I mean like let's be real. I'm pretty sure every person in this fucking call can agree Let's be real when it comes to pipe wire You're most likely gonna run into some issues just like you would with pulse audio Like my my my point was was that if I was going to switch to Wayland the compositor I probably want to go with pipe wire, but I have no interest whatsoever in changing from pop Changing either direction just asks for problems, you know huge Q-tile, which I believe you're on right now Does actually have Wayland support. I know I don't use it though I Don't even think I said I don't think I set up the session the Wayland session You have to do some extra steps in order to get to show up. Yeah Oh, oh now I get why Saini keeps bending down to take a vape because he's charging it at the same time I'm like, why is he going down to the thing? Is he given a That's it I do want to make an announcement to everybody if you might notice my my My camera isn't nearly as green as it was the past couple times Well, it turns out that my cheap little five dollar capture card that I've been using with my camera died So I went on a spending spree and I bought like extra capture cards Wouldn't have been better just to buy one good one instead of yeah, did you just hold up three capture cards? I've got two right here, and I've got a third one right now I think that I have four Capture card Josh send one my way I need one. Well, you see the thing is that these are going to be going on the servers Oh, you know, it would be nice to be able to like see what my servers are seeing and be able to I got it I got it. Yeah for one of these days when distro hacking actually returns, you know He keeps promising these episodes of distro hacking and then about four hours before it. Oh, I'm sorry guys. I'm gonna cancel Like I explain like four in a row and they could just been cancelling. All right It's fine. I promise gonna be it's gonna be this this next week And we are going to be looking again at zero Linux and we're gonna be trashing it I'm gonna hold you do that. I'm gonna hold you to that like if distro hacky gets canceled beforehand I'm gonna throw a fucking tantrum I'm one subscribing Oh, no, you're on subscribing for my YouTube channel that doesn't even have 500 subscribers What I'm ever ever going to do. Hey, you want to know what? Every every subscriber counts hit that subscribe button guys All right Instead of subscribing what you should do is just go to my contact link and then just reach and then follow my content there Yeah, just send him just send him a scathing email. That's what you should do Send me a scathing email or shout at me on matrix or shout at me on Facebook or shout at me on Twitter hop on IRC Hey, you're doing before before we start. I want I want to say one thing to Matt Matt you got a lot of good people on your server. Try to keep them Well, I mean, it's not like I deliberately try to kick them along. I know I know but What's his name? Good see jutsi jutsi whatever his name is He made an announcement on your on your server on my behalf for my oh, we mean your is Yeah, you're on your server. Yeah, you're yeah, you're his name is Joris Joris we call him J dog because I can't pronounce his name half the time All right, J dog J dog made an announcement on your on your server on my behalf for my for my cause and he I was really you didn't have to we was like no we are family Yeah, I love that dude. He's he's awesome. Yeah, he's good guy. All right. Let's go ahead and get started guys I'm gonna hit record in audacity. I'm gonna hit record in OBS and Okay, we're recording the correct microphone everyone's else recording Nope. Yeah, they're excellent Steve Remember to upload your audio before you lose power. I'm just putting that out there now It didn't work out time was on me it didn't work out fine last time last week, but it's always I had the I had the the next cloud open And I wanted to click and then we got into a long discussion with with Josh here and then I completely forgot Upload and then power went out That you're blaming me I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming myself because I I got lost in the conversation And I completely forgot until power went out. All right. I gotta remember not switch away from that workspace. What's matter? I'm being honest. I've got to do a little bit of cleanup on My audio cuz apparently I'm getting a whole bunch of background noise, so let me just make sure that there is room echo echo. Yes So yeah, welcome to the Linux cast written things never go wrong Ever and never never happens Audio problems Speaking of next cloud, there's a big update for next cloud available right now I should update right now. But that way nothing works by the end of the podcast. That'd be great All right, I got my shit fixed. I'm recording and we're all good. You're sure right? Yep. All right Okay, Steve you ready to take us off on some claps that we're have no chance whatsoever of simultaneously doing Yes, sir, whenever you're ready. All right, whenever you're right guys Hands are at the ready All right three two one You know what I think that might be a better best one I think that was pretty good still wasn't anywhere close, but it was definitely our best one Steve didn't do three two one Barely got the one out before he was clapping it was hilarious Anyways, let's go ahead and get started All right, I think we're also I clapped so hard to hurt my Well, I'm glad that you're sounding so much better compared to last week man, I am I am feeling better Parents are still struggling through it, but I think we're all gonna be okay All right, let's go ahead and get started. I have a oh right. We were going to do my Yeah, we're gonna do the crappy one first. All right I don't think it's crap at all. Yeah me for me Josh Tyler Steve Hey, all right. What the hell is on your face Steve? It's futuristic sun visors come on. No, and when did this turn into Star Trek? We're definitely not all doing this. Oh, come on. I'm surrounded by we could totally do it Just do the whole podcast of line. I'm so surrounded by assholes How many assholes are there? Oh, okay. Uh, hey everybody, welcome to the next cast. I'm your host Matt I'm Josh I'm Tyler Now I'm someone Yeah, he doesn't even know isn't his name. We we just brought him in off the street We're just trying to introduce him. He's just a dude. We found on the internet somewhere. I'm sure he's Have you looked I don't recognize myself. Well, I'm pretty sure he's not a serial killer. I'm just it's I'm pretty sure Second aren't you that Steve guy? No, Steve Wozniak I Think I think I remember you you introduce yourself as Steve at one time, but I can't necessarily remember. Oh Yeah, I am Steve. Oh by the way. He's the he's the developer of some random Debian distribution. I'm sure You're joking you're joking about that, but if you go to for onyx and you For onyx, sorry on distro watch and you check for zero Linux if you scroll down to the package management They they they listed as Deb. That's because Distro watch is a piece of garbage. All right. All right Anyways, welcome to the Linuxcast where we never go off on tangents and we were perfectly on topic We talked about Linuxy things including mostly the news and stuff like that But first we're gonna talk about our weekend open source. So Tyler lead us off. What have you done this week? Anything interesting? Well, Josh is gonna absolutely love this one. I spent Pretty much two days setting up a beautiful beautiful gen two setup butter FS with you know, some nice compression on it optimized for SSDs Did a whole bunch of that niceties? You know did a suck list install mostly suck list I mean, obviously the surf browser can like, you know, just get shot in the back of the head like Lenny All right, pull for the chat anyone use surf browser as their their their main browser if they do they're not in the live stream They're definitely not using it to view the live stream that's for sure Everyone has surf installed that's exactly as far as anyone gets it gets it Yeah, you install it and then you use Firefox I can see Josh thinking Matt your next six months challenge you surf for six months like no Last week I was using a Piphany. I think next week I can use surf. I dare I dare you to I dare you for a month All you can use a surf I don't know a whole month that might just cost you 20 bucks The other 20 bucks on it. I just wanted to ask Zany what whatever happened to building your minimal OS yourself That's actually what I was doing and did with Jintu. It was really nice. The problem why didn't stick on it is No matter what I couldn't fix screen tearing and I had already set up XOR DWM and all that stuff and I didn't want to just nuke it all and go back and like just start from Wayland and do Hyperland because I also knew I would run into the issues that Josh has with hyperland where the hyperland custom like WLR WL routes like desktop portal, but whatever wouldn't work and so I'm like, yeah By the way, I need to thank you Zany for the discussion I had on my podcast last week and because I used the subject we talked about so it took two hours But we got there eventually well, but yeah, so long story short that didn't Jintu didn't work out and the what I was gonna do was just do a gaming VM like run my host system Linux off of my APU and pass through my GPU to a gaming VM and Because Jintu didn't really work out this time around. I just nuked it installed Windows 11 So I could play Deadside but by the way the reason I have to use Windows is Deadside the people there for whatever Freakin reason the developers do not have time to enable the easy anti-cheat button For Linux support it drives me up a wall. That's the only problem with the game. Otherwise fucking perfect but yeah, so I Will probably be doing another Jintu install here before too long as soon as I can figure out and get Hyperland working you should you should stream it you have a YouTube channel. I don't know if you remember it or not I forgot Capture card I can probably send you one of them. No, I've got capture cards. That's not the problem It just doesn't remember to sign in information on how to get into YouTube If he streams it I'll be there. I'll be part of the stream I'll hijack his streams like I usually do well I will say I've got a family friend coming over. We're gonna be playing some board games drinking after that I'm gonna be fucked up playing Deadside and I will live stream that on my channel. I'll be I'll be joining if I have perfect Perfect. All right Josh, what have you been doing this week? Well, obviously I reinstalled Jintu. That's why that whole subject came up and then I set up hyperland But I've also been doing an investigation on another YouTube channel here the past week That's really been like the focus focus of my work That's good. I'm giving this guy 30 days to respond to all these things that I'm bringing up And if he doesn't respond by the end of 30 days, I'm gonna be making a video about it because are you trolling Kent again? No, I can't actually Not Kent. It's somebody else who's got a larger channel than Kent Okay Like if you're trolling poor Ken again, I don't know that's that's just like abusing a puppy. I'm just saying uh Kent just about subjected himself to a knock to Investigation as well at one point, but uh, he kind of got the past because you know, I could actually talk with him So Can we just talk for a minute? Just I know this is going off on a tangent, but it's got to be said If you're over there doing YouTube investigations, just I'm gonna politely ask you to stay away from my channel Don't investigate anything It just depends on how it just depends if you if you make me mad at you or not Well, that's that is fast man, I thought for sure it was gonna be Kent. All right. Anyway, Steve, what about you man? What'd you been doing up this week? Oh? Yeah So hello, sir Boss I'll try to be polite I Was up to good. Very good. Very good, sir. Very good spit it out. What are you been up to? been working on zero Linux and There's there's There's a I'm what I already began work on the second anniversary release. I can't believe I've been doing this for two years I Because of everybody's love and I hope chat somebody in chat knows about zero Linux using is using zero Linux, but The second year anniversary where I'll be changing the look at least the theme This layout I cannot change because it's too awesome. Oh, like light themes only. I'm just saying Hey, I think Steve if you put if you put effort into it You could probably find a good light theme that does not absolutely. I don't want to die. So I like my But I found a theme to replace laying the now un-maintained laying It's called. I don't know if you're familiar with it I would I wouldn't think you're very familiar with cat poutine. I have I have a cat poutine theme for I know Just kidding It's it's I Tried it and I'm reconsidering it because it's too dark They have different versions, you know that right? Oh, it's Machiano. I Tried Machiano and Matt and mocha Mocha is darker Steve. No lighter and Machiano. What could I could I to steer you towards what? No, no fucking shit. No No, no, I already have a release that that is Nord and it looks depressing It's the less colorful version of the less colorful version of one dark Like it's one. It's one dark, but without any of the color Matt I know that you're a big fan of grub box and that you use grub box for a little while Just replace brown with blue and you have Nord Yeah, well, that is so totally not true because Nord has no orange or yellows or anything like that It's just no no no fairings a the blue Hey, no Nord is depressing. I tried Nord once I released one release With Nord everybody on the server started saying the same thing. Can you change this? I can't believe we just have five minutes talking about themes. It's like my it's it's like my heaven Like can we just talk about racing for the rest of the podcast? It'd be great I'm talking about racing. I'm working on a new rise for zero Linux for the anniversary edition and somebody on my server called Teddy Teddy Berkela He's he's great He he worked on a wallpaper on you I don't know if you know the the cat Puccine wallpaper that has lines and The cat terminal in the center Well, he replaced that with a completely line based Zero Linux logo, but it's too dark for me. It's it's I might use it I don't know. I'm still between Machiaro and Mokka it's a debate between Machiaro and Mokka and I Know Josh will have a smile on this face. I was working with someone on zero Linux X FCE Because zero X it's not Xerox is zero X. No, it's it's going to be you should definitely call it Xerox I'm just saying it would have been yeah, I'm get soon Um Zero hyphen X it is not Xerox. Yeah. No, it's gonna be called It's gonna be called zero X FCE But very clever. I'm just yeah I'm not trying to come up with weird names. So you let you guys know I just looked up cat Puccine and They have an emacs theme Yes, they do they do I thought you were about to say some shit about like it's not that good or something and I was waiting for it I was about to be like you're about to piss me off Steam theme this one's pretty in-depth Yeah, yeah, they have everything everything you go to their github. They have everything, but yeah, I'm working on the X I've been working on the X FCE edition with someone Kudu you guys know Kudu. I think yeah Kudu is helping me on the X FCE edition. He is replacing the X FCE panel with poly bar by com Donna Berg for the rounded corners and and stuff like that Because by the end of the year on Christmas, I want to I'm going to be unleashing a new page with GNOME and X FCE S pins introduced as spins that users can either build for free or donate for the ISO as usual because I need to Really you got to monetize it some way. Yeah, and yeah, and because of my situation, so Yeah, I've been working on all that And I'm trying to figure out a way to work on hyperland without having an AMD card so far I didn't figure out a way Unless I use the computer downstairs, which has an AMD car 2009 2008 DI card the six thousand something series. All right But other than that, that's what I've been doing. Sorry. It was long, but I've been doing a lot You've been up to a lot. Yeah. Yeah, all right. So that's you Matt Well, mostly I've just been making videos like crazy. I've been trying to get videos Like I get ahead on videos and I have been successful. I have videos ready to go up until like next Wednesday So I've been doing very very good on the the videos front and obviously Just trying to salvage the youtube channel because man this youtube does not like you to take a We talked we talked about that. Yeah YouTube does not like you to slack. It's like a job If you if you take time off it just completely removes you from the algorithm So uh speaking of that those of you guys watching live hit the like button on all my videos as much as possible It would really help and hit the super thanks if you can well, I'm not worried about the money I'm just just give me back into the algorithm. The money the money will return um, but anyways, uh Basically, that's all I've been doing in terms of stuff. I did have an issue that I solved yesterday. So I use bit warden for 2fa codes, right? I that's the reason why I decided to use bit warden It has 2fa stuff built in so I don't have to use a separate application I know other ones like I think npass and keypass both have 2fa in them now, too But did you fall did you did you fall uh victim to the uh to the invalid 2fa? issue Yes, because of my my time was off by two minutes Okay, because redcore does not come with ntp installed And set up For whatever reason or at least at least it maybe it was installed and just the service wasn't running But the for sure the service was not running. So I had to start the service I had to run the ntp sync command which I found on the wiki and that finally solved the problem But man did it take it took a few minutes because I was like What? I've never experienced so if you guys have ever dual booted windows and And uh linux, you know if you switch when you switch back and forth the clock is always wrong Somewhere it's wrong. It's either we're wrong on linux wrong on windows You fix one the other one goes wrong You know, I had there's a way to fix it But nobody really knows how to do it without having to look it up, you know over and over again. So I've never experienced history Registry entry double click. Yeah, I've never experienced just running pure linux with no dual boots having my clock be wrong It's never happened before you're not the only one today. I tried to launch Webcourt, I had the message check your calendar Because they finally fixed the daylight savings times issue the daylight saving saving time issue Also enabled an April Fool's joke in that too Good Well, I had I had my time set to manual because all the all the dsd crap Because I set it to manual webcourt would constantly give me this check your calendar message before launching I don't know if they use the same Updater that discord uses but discord that discord updater requires a precise time to work Do they do for whatever? I mean that discord that discord updater has causes everyone problems It's the stupidest thing ever. Uh anyways, let's go ahead and move on to the news And the first one is not going to be any news. It's going to be a rant So we're going to start off with mine. I'm going first because I need to talk about this. This is dumb So, uh, it's fos which I've talked to the the guy who runs its fos. He's done an interview with me before And uh, obviously he's not to blame for this because it's april fools day and he did an april fools Article here saying enough of it. Ubuntu has ditching snap completely blah blah blah. It doesn't matter The the idea behind the joke is fucking stupid. I just want to rant for just a couple minutes Just bear with me. Um I hate april fools with a passion guys. Like I seriously think it's the stupidest thing We do as a as a species like like I would understand if the jokes were funny like But none of these are funny like none of them are good Like I don't I don't understand why we do this thing to like Oh This thing that we say it happens not actually happening psych, you know, no that it's not funny um And Honestly the best april fools joke that I've seen in a long time was what was it? Last year or two years ago Linus tech tips to the only fans thing Oh, yeah, the best april fools joke I've seen My thing is like if you're just like a random person and you're you're like steve on his podcast today pranking people You know, whatever, but if you're a news organization someone that has to that cultivates a level of trust That's you know People have to if you're gonna do news you have to have a relevant level of trust and then you do april fools stuff where You're messing around with that trust. It just drives me absolutely bonkers And it just pisses me off every single up april fools I sit here like watching people fall for this shit And I don't understand why like come on guys to half of this stuff like if you If you fell for the whole Ubuntu ditching snap thing on this, so this is an example um What I mean Why why did you fall? Yeah, we can't hear a word. You're saying steve Yeah, he's pulling the not talking Well, anyway, you want to think is obvious. It's obvious. They don't know how to tell a joke. It's obvious It was they cannot be ditching snaps. It's obvious. Some jokes don't work. Yes I get it. The vast majority of these are horrible like like today I'll line it minus tech techs these tech tips tech tips decided he was going to become a potato farmer or some shit Yeah, yeah, what a waste of a fucking video. It's so fucking stupid like come on, man The guy built like a 10 million dollar house or some shit and spent like It's 12 months telling us about it and we're to believe he's going to go become a potato farmer Some jokes don't work and when they don't work they become annoying. Yes Sponsorship revenue has actually gone down not just not just in like the youtube industry But as well as podcasts and even even like magazines or have seen a dip in in uh sponsorship revenue Well, I can tell you one thing I learned I learned something new about youtube Uh, and I think matt can can confirm Uh, it's uh If you do only live like I am right now because of the situation Uh monetization is non-existent because the uh the retention The user retention is very low when they see something that's One hour long they're gonna say oh, I'll just go watch the part I need to watch and I'm gonna get out of here Yeah, the people on youtube do not like you to put up things longer in 15 minutes It's just the right just the way it is Um, that's why timestamps on your videos are so important on the long I hired somebody to well not hired. I asked somebody to do it for me and so far it's been working I just I just do my own timestamps. Thank you very much. I'm not because I can't because I lose power Almost immediately after or I need to do something immediately after so he takes care of it My podcasts are three subjects long That one video where I did an install of red hat linux and talked about it as a desktop operating system that Uh is 26 minutes long and it's actually my third most popular video right now When you can I've had long videos do well, so it's not impossible. It's just like like last week's podcast Lacks last week's podcast was one of our best podcasts in months. Like I got almost 4 000 views Well, I have a theory on this I have a theory on this Involved gnome Because all of my gnome or red hat content has been blowing up There for a while if you did a fedora video you were guaranteed to be successful because the fedora stuff just hit it right out of the park um Like there are 32 to 35 release has actually have actually really been some really banger releases too. Um Now you do a fedora video and it's not necessarily guaranteed to do well, so it's it it's cyclical Um, but anyways, let's go ahead and move on to some real news. Uh, tyler your first one, please All right Mine i'm gonna go with the qt creator 10 open source ide released with lv l lv m 16 support c make improvements Um open source people really need to learn how to name their stuff. I'm just yes And also, um, if you load up the article and take a look at it, uh, the user interface for this ide like this was what mainly caught my eye because I don't know if most qt developers use this ide but, um How do I say this nice, um The ui is shit Um It's just terrible Um Yeah, I had never seen this so like I would like a web app inspired Yes, yes It does look like a page The color scheme is just off It just it does not look good So, um, yeah, but if you do use qt creator, they got a whole bunch of improvements Um, it's just good. I I use qt creator for calamari Oh, really? Yeah, well Because calamari's styling is not so great. That's what I use to figure out how to make my calamari is completely horizontal without the sidebar Yeah Thing yeah qt creator helps a lot because it's building It might just be good I really wanted to talk about the ui for for this program just because I feel like this is one of those things where it's like Like I don't see any Problems with it. Like I actually downloaded it and looked at it The main one is a web app, so I'm working on installing it right now But of course my internet connection is being slow because I'm on discord Can we just take a moment to talk about the fact that the nine to five linux article With an article about qt decided to take a screenshot of this in a gtk8 desktop environment Yeah I mean, I just I just I'm just sitting here staring I was like there's something weird about this screenshot and then I looked at the title bar like that's a gtk theme About qt. I think they're on an ubuntu desktop. It looks like it. Yeah, I would believe so That's just kind of funny. I'm just putting that out there. It's a little weird And for onyx for onyx's backup. Yeah, I saw that I got it Yeah, the it was just it was like I was just staring. I was like, that's really really odd. Okay. Let's go ahead Honestly, I don't think I've ever launched qt creator to be just not at an ellipsoid of any kind so Josh your first one My first one is going to be a security notice Update your xorg guys because they because you know trend micro found more bugs with xorg It Now obviously this involves running xorg as root. So if you're using a display manager like light dm or stdm They do launch xorg as root gdm does not It launches xorg as a you as a user session But basically this is just yet another exploit involving some 30 year olds Code and they fix it in two lines It has already been packaged in all the relevant distributions and and updated as well. So please update your systems Unless you're like me and you don't have xorg installed on your system right now. I gotta be honest, josh I'm very surprised that I mean like This is a good article But I'm very surprised that you didn't go with the ones talking about how that like, you know bro Do you covered it like the found the xorg foundation like literally can't even get anyone to vote For they're bored Okay, all right, there goes josh. I bet you he lost power How much do you want to bet it's not power What just happened was he Lit like a flat pack install that he was trying to do just cut off discord from the internet probably We won't be showing cameras until he comes back because it's gonna mess up completely mess up the transforms Um, anyway, so here's my yeah, I'm surprised he didn't go with the whole xorg not being there at all too Because the because that's a big deal, right the you know, they can't find a maintainer for anything Um, well, I mean there and that that was one of the wildest things for me Is like I didn't realize just how much this had been a problem in the past like this is Not a new thing for xorg Okay, okay. I'm back. Welcome back Tommy No, I would like to sorry to cut you off but Brody put it very well in his video was like don't take that as the death of xorg Well, yeah, no no no no no, I mean that's the that's the point. I'm trying to make this is this is not anything new Like this has been a reoccurring problem for Like a decade if not more Like they haven't there's been multiple nomination periods where they've gotten Almost no one voting like there was there was one that I saw where like out of Like all like it wasn't 200 people but close to 200 people like 12 voted 12 like white Like out of the people who are super into xorg and like willing to go out of their way to go to the foundation for xorg If you're like the app image developer Who made this wonderful article saying that Wayland breaks everything? Maybe you should be contributing to xorg, right? Yes, seems like a good idea to me. Yeah, I will I will I will say one thing people Get me wrong a lot a lot of the times when I say I am not going to use Wayland or support Wayland on on zero linux They take it as if I'm never going to love Wayland. I'm never going to include Wayland. I'm never no Way, I am a realist. I understand that Wayland still needs Not only it needs to to to to fix its issues, but Other Developers need to adapt their applications to work in Wayland. It has to be a two-way street Well, and the main point is that takes time that that takes time just takes time Josh your audio is shite, bro Um, something's really going on there. It sounds like you're maybe coming through your webcam microphone Um, or some other microphone because it's definitely not coming from the one that's in front of your face Either that or it's partially plugged in or something. I don't know um Yeah, this is oh, and he just froze worked uh, so, uh gen two To the rescue but It needs time. So I uh, I will go into onto the The Wayland train one It gets stable and I will love it. I will never hate something forever I've never ever and also a big a big thing with Wayland and you is you're running an Nvidia card Which I mean the just the way Wayland works. It may be years Am I sounding better? No, you're still you still sound like you're far away. Um, it'll be okay Uh It sounds the same to me add some gain. I don't know It it's not that big a deal. All right, uh, yeah xorg is old and crusty, but it's been old and crusty for 20 years So so yeah, I'm I'm still putting up with it We all should be putting up with it until Wayland and all the developers get into uh, into uh get in sync together and Well, that does seem that does seem to be the biggest problem with Wayland is the every One who's doing Wayland is doing it in a slightly different way. Um, and they haven't come across And KDE fixed a long time Wayland issue with screen capture and discord KDE fixed it Not Wayland not discord by KDE There's no real thing as You know fedora is doing their own Wayland thing And Ubuntu is kind of like adopted that way But there's also the way the window managers are doing it and wl roots has a big play in a lot of different areas Right, and then there's the way KDE is doing it, which is a completely different way, you know, and and they don't Well, it's by nature though. We yeah, it's not there's no standards Well, no, okay. So first of all, Wayland is Wayland is a protocol Like it's just how you should do things. They don't have so Every single every single project is going to do it differently because that's nature We know and we've talked about this before on the podcast that linux developers open source developers don't like standards That's the reason why we have open rc and and run it, you know There's a reason why you know because system d is quote-unquote the standard there's and there's people like I can't use a standard because it makes me conformist Uh, and obviously whatever, you know, so, you know, I have to go crazy those other things what's bringing That's what's bringing linux down, right? So I mean And it's good. I think personally I think it's good that developers can go work on whatever the hell they want to work on So, you know do things but when it comes to something as you know Important as the future of the display server the thing that we're all going to be using Without without a display server or the they're equivalent about, you know, we don't have anything Like you can't display things on the screen. It's like We've used the the analogy of a car before if you don't have a steering wheel, which you know, or tires You know, you don't have a car you can't drive And that's what this like this is it has like me It has to be It has to be 100 percent there and in order for Wayland to get to the point where it actually something that we can all agree on is ready and ready to go It has to be a it has to be a standard everybody has to be doing it the same way The applications that you use the applications and stuff that you use on ubuntu have to work on arch and on Fedora and on, you know gen 2 they have it has to be inter-compatible and right now we're just not there yet and it's a core it's a core part of Of the system the display manager. It's a core part of the system People don't realize that a lot of Wayland's efforts actually come Wayland is actually originally started as x12 not As an xorg project and it was the future of xorg It's just that it got so little development that eventually got forked in Wayland that that we see today No, one way or another this this what we're going through right now with it with the desktop display server transition It's it was going to be like this no matter what we did and of course, uh ubuntu attempted attempted to develop and and major Yeah, yeah, which uh, you know, they kind of fell flat on although mere mirror still sees development It's it's now a compositing layer rather than a uh display display protocol Well, uh With kde on something there was a there was a third one too started with a t right? um I don't remember what the name was it wasn't around for very long But somebody started out started started something with a t that around the same time mere was was introduced Anyways, it doesn't really matter the the but i just one i just wanted to say one last thing is that Things with Wayland are are are still a mess Uh, even even sdm. For example, i'm really thinking of ditching that thing and switching to light dm because light dm just works Uh, sdm if you if you are on xorg then try to switch to To Wayland, uh, it wraps it wraps the bag. Yeah, but that's not Wayland's fault That's sdm and sdm is also like if we're being honest this again, it's the bridge We should get off of this Wayland talk, but like really The core problem with Wayland doesn't really come down to standards or how people are doing it or anything It's fucking software doesn't support it properly. Yeah, that's gonna take some time Also sdm is notoriously shit. So yeah, it doesn't matter that has nothing to do with Wayland It's just notoriously bad But also display managers, it turns out are freaking hard apparently because none of them are very good You know light dm has Is has had issues for years where every once in a while for whatever reason when it updates You'll log back in and just have a black screen with a blinking cursor That's that's happened many times to many many different people. It happens all the time Gdm for whatever reason they like to change that thing like crazy So now it only supports Wayland half the time and you can't even log into like if if if you install like a boon to It has a setting in its configuration file where it's Wayland only So if you want to install dwm, it will not launch dwm. You have to go change the configuration file Right and I don't maybe they changed it since the last time I use it So maybe that's different now, but the the point is they change it all the damn time So display managers are shit. Uh, just start x like a normal person Yeah Of course, of course and then Well, I wanted to use hyperland and start x doesn't work, you know, we're right back to the Wayland problem Anyways, I just use the bash profile And I that's how I start my Wayland session Well, I mean that's that's how that's how pretty much most people do it when you log in on tty zero Just start x bitch like let's go All right started up Who uh steve I wanted lie to be really good, but it's really it's it's it's no it doesn't work half the time uh steve Your first one. Hello, sir. Hello, sir. I don't mind if I do uh Well wine receives another update, but this time Uh to support something near and dear to my heart Is it no pad plus plus compatibility? No Diablo for Fix Diablo for support me is happy me is jiggly jiggly puff Here's about Diablo for man when no pad plus plus has comes come The very second listed bug fix on their announcement tracker says that they fix a crashing issue with no pad plus plus And Diablo Diablo is not even mentioned in it. Yeah Well, it's well when I saw in the title they fixed Diablo four I went installed the staging version so Well, yeah, I applied a lot of fixes and and stuff But all that matters is That works better with Diablo four. So anybody who wants to run What is that voice somebody shoot that guy? Okay Apologies apologies master apologies. All right. Yeah. Now we're now we're all getting cancelled. So I appreciate you Upset the benevolent over lord steve. Come on Okay, okay. Okay on a serious note Tyler Okay, okay lost half our viewers On a serious note, but Diablo four is now a support is now fixed in wine 8.5 staging. So for all my fellow brethren from Tristram You can join the fight using Wine staging so jump on wine staging and get your Diablo for armor and let's go Diablo four Decker Kane is dead Okay, that's why I'm not gonna play Diablo four Never played a Diablo game in my entire life. I'm just putting that out there I I've been playing I've been playing Diablo four's little Diablo series literally since the day it was released back in the 90s I played it on pc continued it and finished it on the playstation one Then the two on the pc three on the pc and now I can't wait to play Diablo four and hip dad Made me watch him play the beta and I Was crying because I couldn't download it I play hearthstone that's the only battle.net game that I play All right, and I use bottles. Do you do that? By the way bottles is good All right. Anyways, let's go ahead and move on to the contact information Let's see if I can do this without actually looking at it So you can get in contact with us with any number of ways probably the best way Is to head on over to the old website. It's the Linux cast org There you'll find previous episodes when I remember to actually put them there, which I do most of the time Also blog posts when I'm writing blog posts. I should actually have blog posts this week I'm back to getting into that kind of stuff. So there should be a blog post there this week Anyways, the next cast org is where you'll find all that stuff and just by tyler There goes tyler Anyways, uh, you can follow The linux cast on mastodon odyssey those links will be in the video description or on the website as well Tyler it has a youtube channel, which he does not know how to use anymore I'm just putting that out there, but you could go over there and subscribe to it It's has content previously uploaded youtube.com slash zanyo g is where you'd find that Josh is has all of his contact information at ten lee j.com slash stalker Did I remember that right? Yes stalker. Yeah, see I remember that Obviously, obviously if you want to track me down you you just want to stalk me So I'm just gonna give you everything right there at that one page. Yeah, uh Steve has any number of places you can find him and on his youtube channel at youtube.com slash at zero Dark zero at zero. I don't know what his is. I almost got all the way through Zero linux at zero linux with a z my You can't even you did the same thing I did Also the promise he uses a slightly different name on every single platform. So he's tech zero in some places He's dark zero in some places. He has zero linux in some places So what you're saying is that at zero linux dot xyz We need to get him to make a page of zero linux dot xyz slash stalker as well That way he can have everything in one page. Definitely that'd be great And anyways youtube.com slash at zero linux with an x not with a z You can email us at email at the linux cast.org you can support me on patreon at patreon.com slash linux cast You can subscribe to the youtube channel at youtube.com slash linux cast all that stuff Can be found on the website on his dedicated page at the linux cast.org slash contact um If you don't want to type in any of the stuff that I just put all the links We'll be there for you to to just click on At your leisure. So uh, that is the contact information. I almost made it through without looking uh if Steve would you know standardize his his you know handle. I would have been perfect, but No, we got to come we got to come up with a whole bunch of different ones with clever zero handles You know, it's great. Uh zero zero. It's zero zero not zero. It's zero means. I know in greek Well, you know what? I'm american, bitch That was the most american way to say that That was awesome If if you wanted me to say the greek way, you should have told me many many moons ago I've been pronouncing it wrong this whole time. Okay zero Thanks, zero means. I don't know in greek if you say text zero means. I know tech. I know Dead or Linux Sure, no Linux. What do you do into us, man? Why are you trying to teach us languages? I mean go learn. I go learn. Why are you retconning everything, man? He's gotta practice his greek Yeah, because i'm looking for work to if anybody in the chat is greek and knows how to Find work easily in greece. Please contact me All right move on to the rest of the news so i'm going to go ahead and go first again because that's just the order that we were in So my my actual news this this week. Um, nobody can actually see that steve. You're not on camera. Um He's like dammit Ubuntu has a brand new official flavor I thought I thought for sure that ubuntu cinnamon was actually already an official flavor, but apparently it's not so Correct me if i'm wrong ubuntu cinnamon is is another product like that 12 year old kid that does all of the ubuntu flavors now he did he does web and he's doing the the um Unity the unity one so i dream to become him and i've got a i've got a my article is going to relate to this So this is perfect So anyways ubuntu cinnamon is now an official flavor. So they have like what now Eight or not in our ten flavors or something like that. They have a lot of flavor official flavors now um and Here's the question i have for you guys. Do you guys think that there's a point where they have just too many choices? Um, yeah now we're there Like that's what that's what i'm afraid of if i release all those spins on zero linux Yeah, it just it just feels like they have too many flavors And too many choices for people to choose from and just like And obviously i mean like they have the spins page So so like similar to like what fedora does with their spins page, but Fedora bear fedora varies their spins page like they don't even link to it like but like for Half a blurb on their website, right? um ubuntu also kind of varies their flavors page, but she can find it fairly easily but it's just like How how once you get to get to that point how are you supposed to make a choice and like So i'm looking at the website and i'm not seeing rudra being mentioned anywhere I don't think i don't think uh the unity guy's behind it at all I think this is somebody else Yeah, it's somebody who's older than that kid actual uh 12 or 13 e e i s a c a so isek I don't know At at this point i just assume any new ubuntu flavors is just the same dude coming up with with remixes over and over again um, i'm just so i just just make that assumption Um ubuntu flatback remix Yeah, i have actually a video recorded about that. Um, so here What would you guys think? Do you guys i mean ubuntu likes to make their installer very very simple, right? Is they don't want to over complicate But what if they had like an advanced installer where you could just install the flavor? From the regular ubuntu iso Um, uh, why why even make it an advanced install? Why not just put all of the spins? Into one installer and then just be like do you want you know your cinnamon? Do you want your you know xfc? No, no, no distro maintainer intervening here uh Do that you will end up with Main flavor that was on the iso plus whatever flavor the user select That's gonna mix two things together. Don't mix don't mix don't mix I mean It's the same issue that open susan ran into because open susan actually used to theme kde and gnome very heavy Yeah, you've noticed that they've gotten very very very stock That's just because the number of support requests that you get from you know having A iso that installs everything and that's like the standard iso that everybody downloads Is that you start getting all these support requests for all the different desktop environments when you the The team only really wants to focus on the one. Yeah, that that's a good point that the The people who support the spins aren't necessarily the same people that support everything else, right? So All all the ubuntu flavors, they're just maintained by community members and eventually they get promoted to like official flavor status because you know, maybe maybe they're maybe You just likes what they're doing enough that you know They want to provide like the download infrastructure for project But that's about as far as if one two really goes you don't really give any funding to All all they do is just you know, give them the servers that you can download the iso from. Yeah. Yeah, but the problem is remains fact that if you Include the option to select which flavor you want from a single iso You will always end up with the the one that was selected which in ubuntu's And you put into in ubuntu's case. It's always going to be gnome their flavor of gnome So if the user selects let's say KDE they're going to end up with gnome and kde and the user having to remove gnome manually because Uh, they don't want kde. I mean if we're being honest, we're talking about canonical They definitely like as much as we shit on them like not spending their development resources on the desktop They definitely have the resources To make the installer go back and clean up like if you chose a different spin clean up, but they don't do it Yeah, they don't do it. No, I I I do completely agree. I I'm just I am just making the point They could fix that but I don't think so can I so can I I know how Yeah, it's just a lot of work. They already go through and remove a whole bunch of stuff So the way so they have an option there for a minimal install So if you click the minimal install it will actually install everything and then remove it afterwards That's the way that they that's just the way it does it and it's the most it's the like Here's an idea. Let's ship an ISO that's going to be three four gigabytes In size install everything The main reason why is because of how ubuntu handles the packaging They're installed when you when you tell ubuntu to install it's going to install the ubuntu dash desktop dash session That's the meta package that installs that entire that installs the entirety of the known They're known desktop all their tweaks and everything to it but That's what they have to install put in as and then it cleans up all the extra stuff later where like then it'll remove like Leave right office. Well, they have they have to do it that way because if they didn't package their entire desktop as a single package If you didn't like let's say you went from like a minimal iso, which I don't even think they still ship those But even if they did if you went from that and had to install like 50 60 packages you'd be like what what the hell am I doing? Okay, so I'm not a developer. So I'm sure that what I'm about to say is the dumbest thing ever Uh, but we have bash scripts, right? They could just create a bash script that would Take the packages are I mean somewhere along the line. They have to create that one meta package That has all the other packages listed. Yeah, I got I'm out of the They could just Have a bash script the trends. I don't know it just it feels like they're doing it I'll stop you right there because everything you're saying is wrong The fact that it can be done via bash script is true, but the fact that It would work is not true as someone who tried dependencies Impossible to remove because some dependencies are called hard dependencies. No, no, no That would entail you installing them to begin with what I'm saying is you do it before the installation even happens, you know Um, no man is right. Man is completely okay. So we gotta guys you remember. I'm not a I'm not a developer I'm also not in a boot to guys. So I know that the you know, you know dpkg and Dealing with that packages and all this stuff that it can be done in even an easier method Just create different meta packages That's literally what I just said Okay, yeah That's what I was saying. Matt is right. Like what he's talking about is right I'm just saying For example on arts, you create a package list, right? You have two different package lists And that's how you would go there and install theoretically, right? And I know that In some way, that's how arco does it is that they have different package lists And it can be altered via the calamaris installer, right? I You are no longer an arco Are you no longer? I use when I when I used to be I Net install is a nightmare to begin with I'm sure I'm sure there are our hurdles. I'm just I'm just saying Yes, you're correct. Sorry. I was I was wrong. I thought you were talking a different thing It's different on a boot to though guys is because everything is on the ISO, right? I My biggest I'd have a much bigger problem with the way they're doing it if it was on on arch because you download all that stuff So that's taking up your bandwidth, right? This stuff You've already spent the bandwidth on so it doesn't really matter if they just remove it afterwards because it's not taking up any more bandwidth You know, right So anyway, and also the the way ubuntu looks at it is having that big meta package for the desktop Is kind of necessary just because of who ubuntu's target audience is also also the desktop team Is notoriously uninterested in maintaining more than one package. I mean, yeah, that's that's the reason why chromium was originally put into a snap because they wanted to just Maintain one package same thing with firefox, right? So They don't want to maintain multiple packages. So having two meta packages one minimal one regular It's also the reason why it was it is ubuntu is actually creating their own Separate iso that's going to be minimal instead of having just the option for it in the regular installer They're going to create their own iso that's actually freaking minimal instead of having all the stuff and then removing it afterwards um Okay, I think you said is is Super super well done well said They could do that but as ubuntu is ubuntu They were it's canonical like they just don't want to well just just to go back to the Why we went down to that right behold to begin with putting the flavors in the installer Is just something that they would never be interested in doing As much as I think it would be cool um because Is it even to this day if you install open suzer you get a selection of desktop environments to install Right, and you can so open suzer does it Arco obviously has you know, I'm just gone completely off the fucking deep end. So let's just you know everything You know, oh, oh, did you create did you create just a random? Uh window manager sure will include it. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fine So so they they've obviously taken it completely So it obviously can be done It's just that the developers have to be interested in doing it and it's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of hard work It's not or you want to they can do it if they want it to but they won't but It's much easier with a net install because if Because the ubuntu iso is not a net install. They'd have to include Everything on the iso on the iso whereas with arco or open suzer you click on that it downloads the stuff right from Yeah, but the problem with net installs then brings with it the problem of users that have some proprietary Wi-Fi chip or ethernet or whatever Well, or even yeah, no, no, I'm gonna disagree with you there Steve because if you downloaded a net installer It doesn't matter if they've put extra desktop environments on there If you've downloaded a net installer, you're gonna have problems with the internet no matter What because you have to be installed you have to be connected to the internet Like you can't I mean on some distributions You can install arch without an internet connection But the vast majority of them you have to be connected to the internet in the first place Yeah, for example in zero linux, I turned off the requirement for Wi-Fi or internet And that's fine. That just means that you have to include everything on the iso Where which I don't I don't include because my iso is 2.5 gigabytes. So I don't include everything under the sun But enough for a bootable system, right? You could it's for you can boot the zero linux That's how it is. It doesn't require internet You can install and get to a desktop without internet Then you'll have to solve your internet issue, right? But the work it will work out of the box I had users who had proprietary drivers that didn't Couldn't get it to work Get Wi-Fi to work, but they had zero linux installed My point was is that if you install if you download an iso that you know is a net installer Oh, oh, you know you It doesn't matter whether or not there's extra desktop environments on there that you can choose from or not If you can't that's the problem I was talking about if you can't connect to the internet You're not going to be installing it at all. So Exactly. That's what I was talking about because Early on arco. That's what he was doing before the easy easy installer that's a user problem not a disturb maintainer problem because As long as it's a user problem As long as the user knows going in that's an installer then it becomes their responsibility to be able to get They don't know if the Wi-Fi is gonna work. That's their that's their own problem. That's the hardware problem. That's the way I look at it Yeah, but it causes that small problem This is don't know that's the thing. Well, I mean not every distribution has to be a new user distribution. I mean It's it's like saying oh, I'm gonna install gen 2 But I don't know if my internet's going to work, you know, like you can't The only way to install gen 2 is if you can get networking actually working you can't download it and any other Like you have to be able to download it and and do all this stuff in order to install gen 2 If you can't do that, then you're not installing gen 2. I'm sorry. You're just not gonna do that Yeah, and some people and some people are in china You can actually install gen 2 offline It's just that uh, you there's a lot of front-end work you have to do to be able to do that first Okay, well, I mean I'll take your word for it, but I don't think it's probably the best way to do it Tyler your turn. Yeah, Tyler your next one You know one of the gen 2 guys to start talking about gen 2. Come on, man Well, my article is perfect as a follow-up to this one because Speaking of that 12 or 13 year old kid to making linux distros. He's got another one blend os which You've been around for like a couple months now Yes, and we do kind of have to talk about this because I'm going to have a spicy hot take here possibly Distro distros like this and this distro no disrespect to the kid who's making it Or people who for whatever reason really enjoy these distros In my humble opinion, I think they're stupid Completely and utterly stupid Um So blend os like a lot of these distributions like vanilla os whatever They aim to replace all the linux distros out there take all the the package managers and like all of them like just just butt pack them into a one distro And using distro box. Yeah, he's just using distro box, right? Yeah, I I do not get These distros I will never understand like Well from a development standpoint like vanilla os or silver blue, whatever makes sense to be able to do this in a in a in um Like say for example, you're gonna use silver blue. You could use toolbox, right? And being able to go into an environment where you can run a different distro Make sense if you're a developer but for regular people What do you just choose a package manager that you like, right? Just it But also like all right, like let's let's tackle it from a distro maintainers perspective and a user perspective in that order distro maintainer Who in the hell wants to manage every single package manager? Like when someone runs into a problem with apt or pacman or whatever like do you really? Want to support that here's the thing. He's not support As he he it says on their website that they only support X officially And then they start flasks and distro box and But Go back to the core part of the problem. Why the fuck make the distro? Why like if you're only going to support one package type and every other type is off on your own Just let someone use distro box on your regular normal ass distro like I agree. I agree with that. Also, but also think think about it this way None of the package management systems actually matter and we know this from from a like you like you can The the differences that they make of how they install stuff doesn't matter How the syntax you have doesn't matter learn I mean having multiple package managers on a system just requires the user to learn You know all the the syntax, but really What would make this interesting is not because of the package managers because it could theoretically pull from different Repositories, right? So if you want if you're basically using, you know a boon to or debbie in here Whatever it is and you could pull from the a you are if you wanted to you know that that's that's where that becomes interesting It's not every no everyone becomes interesting. That's a major Pain in the ass. Well, it is it is a pain the ass, but the idea is broadening At least I assume the the theoretical advantage here is broadening your Access to software, right? Because the the a you are has a lot of software in it, and you know you can but I don't I don't I don't understand Why you need all of them, right? Because you just there's going to be a lot of Duplicated shit there, right? And yes, and you have to deal with version numbers and it's I mean it and which package managers Did you used to install this application? The problem with that is that he forked the The vanilla os package manager that pulls from all package managers. So Uh, you run his package manager command. I forgot what it was called You type that and it will ask you it will prompt you. Where do you want to pull the package from a you are pac-man? apt blah blah blah blah. I'm like See, I'm not even using it. We're just talking about it, and I've got a headache Yeah Yes, like I to me like to me like genuinely the way that I look at this is like if linux is already a um A more user Demanding os before we get into this here. We should probably take a minute to explain what distro box Oh, yeah, how it's achieving all this basically All distro boxes distro box is a front end for containers either pod man or docker containers as long as it supports the oci container format Which is what both of those programs use So what you're doing is you're just installing this You're not actually installing the package on your native file system. We're installing it inside of a docker container basically It's basically just like a very slimmed down Secure virtual machine Yeah, but but but you can forget pod man because now they're charging up the wazoo for accounts Yeah, I thought that well, but even like the the biggest core issue you gotta backwards. It's docker and docker actually Docker Back The the worst part about these these kind of systems is um, they they These kind of distros where you use distro box to install your applications Are pretty much ignorant to the fact that flat pack exists Which is which is not to say that they are literally ignorant about them This does also ship flat pack. Uh, the the biggest complaint that I have about these distros that they don't really fix the darn issues with linux distros No, they're they're taking the problems from every single one. It's shoving it into one district Guys, hold on a second Hold on a second The the the problem with these This particular distribution and a lot of the immutable distributions is they do not do a good job of marketing the aspect of why They are the way they are. Okay, this one in particular does a horrendous job of marketing why it's good the the the idea behind the the The stuff that they've talked about like oh you have access to all the package managers Okay, well that might sound good to Random person who doesn't know much about linux, but those of us who've used linux for a very long time just see like Ah, man. Why would I really want that right? What's good about it? And no one No one has been able to say Hey, this is the reason why it's a good idea that you have access to dnf n apt and pacman and zipper and all this stuff, right? And i'm sorry I'm sorry to cut you off, but I do got to say because i'll give you the answer The reason they can't they don't give you one is because there is none Right, like if you're if you're advanced enough to know that you probably don't want this And you're not going to use it also and then two if you're a new user And you're like oh that's neat and you start using it You're going to run into problems because using all those package managers requires you to understand how to maintain your own Package well, I mean it really okay, so the the the real problem here isn't that they are doing this it's that they've taken a feature of Distro box and made it a feature of their distro Basically, they've pulled it out of this and it really didn't pull it out like technologically But they've marketed it as this is a feature of our distro when it's really a feature of distro box Like if you just said hey, we also include Distro box on our distro you can do anything that distro box can do including using zipper or you know rpm or whatever You know, that's great because that's what people use distro box for is to create containers where they can You know run alternate environments to what they have on their hardware That's the reason why they do it and that's the feature of distro box But instead they've taken it out and put it in as a feature of their distro basically They took a feature of distro box and ran rampant with it. Yeah I mean it's not even and then didn't really explain why they they're marketing it this way, right? Well Well, I guess when they're trying to be different but the their differentiation doesn't make sense because when you think about distro box the the You don't use distro box because you want to get into you know, you get access to a different package manager You do it because it gives you access to a different environment You know, you get different versions of the kernel different versions of software and so like that's why it's important Not because you all of a sudden have access to pac-man, you know distro box is actually inspired by the fedora silver blue tool Which is toolbox. Yeah one of the first pronouns for podman to be able to do something like this and toolbox was never really It Seared towards like the desktop user It was it's always been engineered at the developer because you know It's a temporary environment where you just go and you install all your npm packages And then when you're done with it, you could just blow it up and send it away No, well, it's it's it's it's That's another thing that's weird about this is that it's a development tool, right? It's for people who want to do development and this distro is Advertising this feature as if it's something that everyone wants well from the distro like creator or maintainers perspective the reason they don't want to Or the reason they market it the way they do is because If they did just come out and say Legitimately what the distro was that everyone would market because it's like almost all of these are well Where fedora or ubuntu and we got distro box done If I ever get around to actually making a distro myself I I probably would make an immutable system, but I would just hard disable any package manager whatsoever besides, you know flat pack because then And what's the use of getting it? Yeah, exactly well, but I mean like So so back back to these kind of distros like my main point is really just I don't I would like to see these kind of distros Stop being made because like and I'm and I'm not talking about not saying distros or no no no no no The ones using distro box. Well, they are almost always immutable But no the ones using distro box where the whole selling point is so you can use any package manager you want I think we got uh Three of them now we got carbon OS vanilla OS and blend OS, right? Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Yeah I think the reason the reason I would like to see these distros stop being stop being made or maintained Is not because I think they're completely useless projects But I I feel like the developers behind them are normally very skilled people They're they're normally very good developers And they could be using their development time and expertise on distros that Within a minute have the exact same feature that their entire distro Uses and their their development power can be Better maintained or not better maintained better used I think so I I think I go the other direction. I think that the reason why they should stop being Made is simply because they don't have a good reason for existing Right immutable operating systems, whether you like them or not have a good reason for existing and Part of the thing that makes immutable operating systems and stuff work is things like toolbox and distro box It's just a tool that exists on those things like, you know, just it's it's a random development tool that some people use Like if you're not a developer and you use silver blue, you're probably never going to use toolbox at all Right. It's just no you're never going to use it, you know, and that's because it's a development tool This is that that's the reason why a lot of these And that's why I go back to the whole marketing thing Like they've made this a feature that they've touted as a thing that it feels like they think everyone should use Or should want to use and it's really not right? It's that having access to multiple different package managers is not a feature that people want just complicates It's just complicates And it would be different if they marketed this This distro towards developers like if developers have access to but even then their wording is a little wrong because instead of They're not saying hey, you have access to distro box. You're saying you have access to all these package managers It's it's it's a different perspective and it just feels weird Um, well, I mean, I feel like how you started off is perfectly accurate Like there is no reason for them to exist if you're making these distros for developers Stop every I mean if if if we're seriously making these kind of distros for developers Who don't know how to install distro box? um I'm sitting here reading this it's fos article and I kind of wonder if it's fos actually knows what the difference between d and f and yum is Well, I don't think they do probably don't and I think they included rpm in there too Which is you know weird Well, I could see here support for multiple package managers including apt dnf yum pac-man and yay I cannot understand differentiating pac-man from yay, but there's no reason to differentiate dnf and yum because dnf is just Do a version of yum. Yeah, yeah It really stands for dandified yum. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead and and move on We could talk maybe we should do a whole video a whole podcast on immutable podcast Immutable systems or something like that. So uh steve take us into the katie katie news. Could you please? we'll do we'll do katie and katie ends march with more fixes including more plasma wayland and the story is over we can move on to the next one Well, actually actually on this one. I do have some input because I do think Some features Yeah, well one of the one of the biggest ones that like I've heard a lot of people complain about that this finally fixes Is the kate text editor and the qml stuff? I've heard a lot of people bitch about that and so now they finally do have the language server in there for k And they fixed something the other day when I ran the update command I got one update one update and only one and it was kwin Yeah, what kwin kwin came alone as an update I was like, I've never seen kwin all by itself get get an update. Yeah, it was kitty. Never an update It's just one package at a time when yeah, that's the first time I ever seen it kwin all by itself Was to fix way a common source of kwin crashes plasma wayland session So I thought it was gonna be fixing something with k screens I just Well case screen questionable and Uh discover is now massively faster and that's correct. I tested it. I can confirm Uh, as long as you don't have many widgets installed that get pulled from the kate e store the moment you have that It goes massively slow But as long as you don't have a lot of those installed you're okay It's much faster to load Package information now when you click and when you update actual packages like flat packs and and now and now finally it reports the actual the actual flat pack size and download Percentage instead of showing you 100% and sticking at 100% for like 20 minutes while it downloads the the package Well, that's just because the way flat pack does If you've ever installed a flat pack from the terminal, you'll see sometimes it's like Um, 110, you know megabytes out of a 90 or something like that. It doesn't really weird with uh Yeah, and and the fact that flat packs don't have uh, they they fill they pull from http regular servers Rather from rather than being actual package manager. It's just pulling a file from http or http Yeah, all right. Well the Wait, go ahead. No. No, go ahead. I was I was moving us on Okay, the the last thing really quick I was gonna say because this one is like I I I just noticed this and this is also kind of when I'll believe it when I see it But apparently they finally fixed the flat hub flat packs that you download not respecting the breeze icon theme Supposedly they fixed that I will believe it when I see it though so Supposedly they fix that Can you find out for us? I mean Steve Steve Steve Steve. I need you to destroy your wonderful themes switch to breeze for like five minutes He's like I already I already set it set the workarounds to use whatever gtk thing i'm using i'm good Okay, josh your last one, please My last one. Uh chrome is has made an official. They are adding av1 and vp and vp9 codex to web rtc Basically, if you don't know what web rtc is and uh say you use discord for video chats much like how we are right now Or you know, just have a video chat through web browser in general. That's powered via web rtc It's what it's web real-time conferencing. That's what that's what it stands for It it's a video it's a video streaming. You mean they fixed they're going to be fixing the rtc connecting issue Yeah, they're just adding codex But basically av1 is a video codec. It's free and open source It's it's sponsored by like everybody that cares about online video streaming I think twitch by the way, although twitch doesn't seem like they're gonna be implementing at any time soon basically it it's The biggest benefit between av1 and vp9 is that currently we use h264 Which is a codec that it has a few patents and a few legalities and licensing and all that It's a little bit questionable in every single stage, but av1 and vp9 are both free and open source which which basically means that uh They're they actually perform much better and more lightly than than what h264 does That will actually get a cleaner video output You know using a lower bit rate as well. So it actually really really cleans up the internet traffic, too Wait, so you mean we'll be able to use discord and it won't be compressed as shit no more Here's the thing about this You're like, no, here's the thing about discord because I put a note about this in the showdown It's just for this reason. So when chrome pushes an update Backported into electron four weeks later And uh, this is purely for feature security fixes Obviously, they get a bit higher priority but features get backported into the chromium embedded framework Which is what electron uses for for rendering pages This is this isn't a problem until it comes to discord where discord is actually still using a version of electron That that got that reached end of life in 2018 Work of course Yeah now discord claims that they backport security fixes, but of course they they Under a proprietary dual license. So, you know, I I would I Would never trust that statement. Which means that if discord was to ever actually jump to a supportive version of electron Uh, then you could probably use our new found favorite codecs If they ever do that Just just just be happy that you're using opus audio, which is a fantastic audio codec because that is free and open source But you're still using h.264 video Yeah, the whiskey in the chass had you can bet that it's going to be payable like yeah, this is going to be a nitro feature Oh, yeah, oh, yeah It's going to be a nitro feature Before we forget though because it did scroll by in chat. I don't know if anyone else saw it And we do need to go ahead and talk about it um Mr. Mr. Burns through us a 599 euro Super chat and said ever thought about doing some videos on k3d k3s could be interesting I don't know what that is. Yeah k3d or k3s is a front end for kubernetes ah I would Matt, you typically don't do videos videos concerning kubernetes and zany. You definitely don't no Steve you're developing a distribution. Why would you need to worry about kubernetes? But that it falls to me because you know, i'm the guy that has a server in the closet Yeah, uh, uh, he's gonna be there where your videos coming out Yeah, I want to see your videos on kubernetes, man I actually push out the homelab series that i've been promising since like For last year Yeah, which is which is coming first the next distro hacking or the the kubernetes video Let me do the math here. Uh, so that should come out. What about six years after the next distro hacking? Right Okay, cool. Yeah defied Just just for the record. I'm horrible with containers. I've been struggling with podman and uh jellyfin for like weeks Like I can't do it. That's funny because I've been reading a lot of podman document So I will so the very first episode is actually good about the managing podman container on an se linux system Yeah, I'm yes Let's let's do what we did to him with gen 2 where like a group of us get together With separate documentation knowledge and then just try to just try to help him out They can go crazy. Yeah that that stream was six hours long and i'm pretty sure at the end of it I still didn't have gen 2 All right, uh, let's go ahead and move on to the last section of the Why would you use network manager? I think we ended up where we were compiling xorg but I don't really remember it doesn't matter I'm on redcore now. It's perfectly fine. It's it's basically not gen 2 at all Anyways, um Moving on to the last section of the thing we call these things the thingies of the week Basically, they're the pics of the week, but we couldn't use that because that was trademarked So we had to use thingies of the weekend if you're thinking the the reason why we call them that is because of something dirty You're right. Um, anyways moving on to the thingies Yes, so uh first, uh, let's see who who who do we have first? Oh me cool. So, uh, my thinking of the week is cutile. So I've been Moving around between different window managers for a few days now I've just been trying to you know, just plan around and things as as I've been known to do and for the longest time my Happy place in terms of window managers was i3 and they're gonna be wrong i3 is still fantastic But I went to like die three last night and man Did I completely forget how to use it? um Like I had 19 workspaces like man, who needs all these workspaces I know It was really weird And I had to remember all the key bindings because I had I have separate key bindings for every single workspace, right? And I had to remember between the you know, what they were mad, right? Yeah. Um, well, you gotta we gotta remember in Q-tile I have 12 12 workspaces and it's just enough, right? It's it's not I could probably use one more and be happy about it. But um In a week in a week's time you can he can use seven more to get to 19 The funny thing is that I still have yet to find a bar that supports Workspace numbers for hyperland. So I've been going barless this for the past 48 hours as you should That's that I have no idea which workspace discord is on. I don't know where the window even doesn't doesn't wait waybar Supports waybar workspace numbers only supports Sports knowing which window is the focused window It doesn't support workspace. I think you I think you have to do something custom with waybar to get it to have a hyperland Workspace numbers. I don't know about hyperland, but I know in sway by default. It has workspace numbers Yeah, so not hyperland. Okay. Well, that's a hyperland problem. Not a not a bar problem Um, that's that hyperland is still very much a beta product Uh Workspace numbers are stupid and hard to do on x too. There's a reason why like high bar doesn't support Numbers in awesome or x-monad and stuff online It's just weird. Um, anyways, so cutile the the point of the story was they um I spent so much time in cutile that I've become a cutile fanboy now and I've had a hard time switching away from it So uh gross man, you're using python. It's so slow. I bet your system is like Probably hits the keybind for term To open up his terminal, which is written in beautiful wonderful c-language because you know, it's a It's a nice minimal terminal called. It's a beautiful beautiful terminal written in c He's opening up with this python shit. It is going to take like a solid 10 milliseconds to load up All right, boys. Thank you for taking the mickey. I appreciate Uh, it's good though. It's it's it's really good and because it's written in python and I'm actually learning python You know, it's it's it's been it's been pretty good. So, uh, cutile is my thingy of the week tyler Um, why do we even bother? We know what you're cute. We knew what your thingy of the week actually is So what is your what's your thingy of the week? But before I say my thingy of the week I do I do just want to go ahead to say for everyone who's in chat and is not good on picking up with sarcasm We were being sarcastic cutile is just fine. So is python. It's fine Anyway, my thing of the week is dead side Look, it's windows only. So you got to have either have windows like, you know Dual boot going on or gaming vm until the developers like stop fucking around and give us A simple toggle which by the way, uh, kudos done investigations into this They've enabled the easy anti cheat for linux support on the client side, but on their servers they haven't so It's very annoying, but anyway, um, it's a fantastic survival game. Um, it's kind of like daisy meets rust Meets escape from tarkov and they all have a baby I'm completely lost because I I've never seen or played any of this Yeah, then you're gonna be really lost if you check out this game But it's phenomenal. It is really great and I'll be streaming it later on. So, uh, and it will it'll probably be like I'm going to be playing with a few other guys. So it's probably just going to be a whole bunch of slightly drunk or Just intoxicated people You know what I miss I miss the zero ad days when Tyler was streamed zero ad Yeah, we do need to get back to doing that I think those are those were the days I was horrible at it, but it was always fun to watch you guys play Anyways, uh, steve your thingy of the week I uh My my thingy of the week is Uh bravo Sorry, bray bray. Sorry same thing bravo. You should definitely call it that. Yeah Uh, homadi makes a good point. You have to have a native windows and Can't run in a virtual machine because uh, their their servers will detect that you're in a virtual machine He's talking about dead side If you run in in a vm, it looks like you're cheating. Um, anyway, steve carry on Uh, uh, I've been using vivaldi for the since 2015 or 2014. I don't remember Uh, and I have a lot invested in it and I refuse to move away from it until I was forced to because I was forced to because I really got annoyed by uh, by not being able to God is good. God is good. He has he has finally forsaken that piece of shit vivaldi Well, let me let me let me let me clarify that by saying Uh, uh, the the thing that uh, the straw that broke the camel's back was the fact that I couldn't Every time I wanted to open a website that I knew I had in my bookmarks on the pc I couldn't find it on on my phone because vivaldi didn't exist on ios So on iphone I was I've been using vivaldi for the longest time and I kept seeing Those uh messages every time I opened a new tab that it was saving me bandwidth It was blocking all this malware using the the brave shield And uh, all that stuff and I was like, okay. Okay. Okay. I'll try brave on on linux Uh, I install it as a flat pack as one should Yes, yes I noticed The thing that got me to fall in love with it was one simple thing Toggle in the settings that enables it to use gtk thing Yes, okay that thing that toggle in there use fire fox No, no, no look look Slow steps here. Okay, brother. We're making progress. All right. This this I cannot believe I've had to wait for the whole podcast To hear this news. This is like finding out the hot chicken class is a gamer like this is fucking awesome Well, uh, I don't I don't get the corollary Here's the thing here's the thing you see uh on gen 2 Uh, it's available on the source code and your browser legitimately does actually perform faster than than the flat pack on gen 2 like legitimately Well with that on this a little bit without the uh on the side But I I need to admit that brave has a lot of features that we actually need That vivaldi keeps moving away from Got me pissed off at vivaldi. Yeah I hate they give us so much They vivaldi gives us everything under the sun except the things that we need Like uh, yeah You're telling me that you You're telling me that you don't need a newspaper stand Uh a book a book catalog and an email client All in your browser Are you sure you don't want an rss feed reader in there too? No, but but the the the other thing is is the sink uh protocol Uh, has anybody it does any of you guys understand brave? I I have looked at brave. I have installed it before and I have played around No, no knows a thing or two about sync That they use the stupid blockchain piece of crap Yeah, that I agree. It's a piece of crap because you can disable all that And you pair it with qr cuz not if you want sync the the sync uses the blockchain. That's how they do it Yeah, the sink does use a blockchain and uh, I didn't understand how what they use I just thought that they gave me a text to copy and paste and whatever. Yeah Literally what they do and I agree with you that is super nice because then you don't have to worry about one more username and password Yeah, well, no on the contrary. That's what I want I want the sync on their servers to be able to download on any device because this thing thing from what I understood Because it uses the blockchain whatever whatever Uh, it uses your computer to to synchronize everything is so it sends from your computer to your phone or do they Send it online. No, no, no, it's so essentially all all the only thing that they're doing differently is that you'll like your Information for your account Instead of being an actual like tying to your email address and a password and all this stuff It's tied to that code that you're given that's put on the blockchain. So Like my stuff is online Well, my bookmarks are online the dumb the dumbest thing about this entire conversation Is that brave has an account system built in because they have to for their nonsense cryptocurrency bullshit You know, I didn't see it. I didn't see it. Where where I didn't see it If you sign up for the brave rewards, you have to have an email and stuff and you have to sign up rewards No, I disabled the reward. Right. I know but if you if you sign up for that Which is the whole purpose of using brave because that's what otherwise just use chromium Well, I'm going to be honest If you don't want to install some extensions to get the features that brave gives you by default It is kind of nice to just install brave and have a lot of those privacy features already enabled on top of chromium You could use firefox or lebray wolf for something like that. I'm just We understand boss that you are you are firefox. No, lebray wolf is not is not No, I will I will never like lebray wolf. It's it's stupid It disables so much javascript that you can't even use the modern web. That's true. Yeah No, but one last thing I want to say about about brave. That's good. I needed to leave 15 minutes ago, by the way Well, I just wanted to say I just wanted to say that Besides all the scripto and Blockchain stuff. It's got a lot of neat features. I never thought I needed those features until I started using brave But I'm gonna hit zany where it hurts I will be going back to vivaldi Once they release their ios version Because Just shut up for a minute. What the fuck was the goddamn point of this whole last 10 minutes. Oh brave is good Great brave is bad. I'm gonna get it. I'm uh, I switched to brave. It's fantastic And then at the end of it, I'm going back to vivaldi. No, I'm cutting you off. You're done No I would just I would like to just say this now And I still don't see a reason to switch off of it. So I'm still waiting on you to actually properly sell me on vivaldi It hasn't happened yet. I'm in contact with vivaldi right now Is that what you've been doing for this whole whole fuck? It is we're contacting them all these days. Why are you talking to the legions of satan? Yeah, uh, josh, you're thinking of a week No, no, no one no literally I have got to go I have a very important subject matter because you know, we are a daily behind this and I forgot to make a video Unfortunately, okay, okay. I'll drop it Yesterday was the most important day that you could possibly have as a guy that Or somebody that uses a computer connected to the internet and that was world backup day Remember to back up your shit One day a year goddamn One day a year at least one day a year that way you can have the yearly snapshot that said, uh Obviously because yesterday was world backup day My pick of the week is going to be pica backup, which graphical client are using borg backup. It is gnome native That it and it looks like a nomap if if you don't want to use pica you can always use borda It doesn't matter which one they both work borg backup, which is at this point an open source and well-established protocol for backups and they are encrypted by default And uh support support snapshotting and all and all this other fancy stuff But you know pica is probably like one of the easiest back backup client that honestly, I've used besides that's what I ship on Zero g by the way. Yeah, I saw that Something you guys actually agree on about zero g is fair. Like like jash is like it's the best part of zero g I Actually, I do like his uh His uh zero linux welcome application Uh, which you know is is pretty weird because it's a kde distro But you know like my favorite tool that they ship on their kde distra is a g gtk client if I remember, right? Yeah, okay I I should definitely try pica because I I only have used vorda and vorda is Prickly if you have multiple repos um That does pica do better job with multiple board repos or does it not? It actually does good. All right. I'll give that a try. All right. So that is it for this video I'm sorry for kind of rushing out steve. I apologize for It's okay. I understand you're I'm just saying you're nonsense of going You know praising brave for 10 minutes and then at the end of it saying I just wanted to mess with zany. I'm not going back to bevaldi until they give us I'm not going back to bevaldi period And then but you actually had a comma there saying until I'm going until they come without the the ios client. Okay Um, that's not true. I just wanted to mess with him. 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