 right right now we it's begun i rely on our stream begun it have begun us going to pee that's pretty good bomb bomb bomb now oh wait i should probably wait until there's people who are actually here to hear this instead of it i was going to tell you guys to me we'll just say it twice here comes the first time this is going to be a short fap shorter than many of the faps because we've got many things that are unfortunately converged to get in our way yeah this will be a historically short fap this will be the shortest this will be the fap that you tell your kids about was very short oh no i tell your children i remember the short fap of 2022 right well that was fun but i think it's time to start wrapping up yeah the ides of july i wasn't kidding when i said it was short that's that's it we've done it uh it's all in thunder pretty good see you later goodbye yeah eight out of ten uh something i think some people have been at least been a chris start the review of love and thunder yeah that was way too long for your review there was an acting and i'm gonna give it an eight out of ten it's gonna be great i can't see the short review doesn't make me suspect it's the oddest positivity suddenly that's making me concerned what's going on yeah wait why who is it but i have seen lots of positivity for this film though have you shared on your travels on the internet you know no actually not as much as i expected there is of course positivity but i was like i'll be a bit surprised this has been a bit more salient criticism of the film because it's atrocious i've i've also seen alti um with every film like this that gets made the more we get the whole um guys why are you taking it so seriously it's literally people with magical powers flying around the fuck and then like a film comes out that's like incredibly serious regarding stuff like that like trying to make deeper points and then they're like why are you taking it so seriously yeah you know like this film when it talks about camps we're typically not the ones who devalue our own crafts like that yeah second worst box office drop in the franchise i've wait what's the first one then second worst box office drop in the franchise i haven't actually checked in a franchise what would what would the other one be would it be i think dr strange had like a 70 something drop off i remember that being a big drop off yeah but i thought people were trying to see whether or not this would get a bigger one um now we take a look it drops 68 and weekend too slides to 46 million second weekend at box office 46 million well more million dollar reduced it's made 700 million dollars so far though so it's already like in two weeks it's nearly beaten ragnarok it says here that thor this is from collider so who knows uh but says thor love and thunder has franchise worst box office fall and second weekend adds 46 million so okay it says by comparison dr strange in the multiverse multiverse of madness fell by 67 percent and black widow dropped 68 percent i see so this is a one percent higher drop off than multiverse of madness well um it's all not good right like is it evidence of their lack of staying power do you think well uh well i mean i think generally the perception is that a film that has a lower drop uh is a film that probably got better word of mouth yeah yeah um i'm mad rick stayed strong for ages after it came yeah i really did yeah a billion kind of unreal to be honest with you i can't believe it i actually can't believe it i'm sure they can't i'm sure they fucking love it the paramount right now right well yeah because tom cruise pushed to have that released theatrically they were going to release on paramount plus and i'm very glad oh good job my successful film of all time see that's the kind of thing we're just like tom what are the what are the things do you think let me tell you about zinu oh no well he would uh he'd be like that dark universe let's get that back going they're like yo what if it what if it happens yeah what if that works out you know you don't know yeah honestly i would watch it i like uh you know if tom cruise because that's something you i'm gonna go see it i'm putting together a team that's frankenstein and dracula ironically i really hope i hope it comes back those two it sounded funny as hell as an idea love that expanded horror universe thing it could be really fun but like never gonna happen well i mean they're gonna keep trying no they're not they try well no they're gonna they're gonna keep trying to make expat so what's what it would take is like two expanded universe like two um sorry not two expanded universes two like really successful horror franchises that are vaguely compatible and then a studio is immediately if they're at least if they're both in for the same studio they're immediately gonna go expanded universe could we have an mcu oh wait wait yeah because the dark universe has been tried technically twice right i think so because there was a mummy and there was Dracula told right what was the mummy was there i think that's it but the mummy was much more real attempts than uh than Dracula i wouldn't go that far i mean Dracula and told ends with the nick fury scene yeah but like they even had a logo for the dark universe and they in their first movie because i was that confident but then it just didn't work out you know just Dracula told a full recommendation over here but make sure you with friends obviously telling you sometimes your dark universes just don't work out i would be curious how many people in chat right now have no idea that efab movies Dracula Untold exists there's probably many of them that'll like probably a lot of them yeah it was a while ago but you guys should go to efab movies where we covered Dracula Untold it was one of our early efaps it's a very fun i didn't even know this this is new yeah it's a very fun movie it was wolf's idea right because he knew something about that film that me and rake did not and when we saw it we fucking lost our shit it was great it was amazing it was everything we could have hoped for and more it was magical go watch it it is a it is a wonderful film the nick fury that philip is charles dad so we were robbed true we were robbed yes this this is the future we could have had we could have had charles dance nick fury in the monster verse instead we got the mcu well there you go and also i guess the dc you're just sort of hobbling along does any how long before it doesn't even count when the movies just don't even like acknowledge each other's existences just keep fucking everything around i guess you can say the mcu is doing that right now too so it seems like the whole point with dc now is they want them to acknowledge each other more except for the batman i guess that's often a little world if they said the batman joker at the suicide squad or all the same universe we'd just be like yeah no the joker and the suicide squad are in the same universe hell yeah that's funny the joker became washington responded to a theory video about that once that argued literally that it was really fun when you get deep into theory tube you get all kinds of ideas out there well did you know that actually the despite the fact that both of those movies show the assassination of the wanes and they're clearly different scenes with different acts and different events it's actually a subtle nod one is a dream interpretation yeah one is a dream interpretation of the actual events and you can tell that actually they're supposed to be the same portrayal because they both in the background feature opposed to for the movie Excalibur there you go that's it nice you got a puke does this person have 10 billion subscribers because i have to imagine so i was green crush yes then yeah well how many do they have i don't have many we've covered that before we covered them relatively recently i think i mean i remember i remember when i were cut like when i first found them they got like very unreliable views they didn't have many subscribers and i was like it's good that this doesn't always succeed this model and now they're doing incredibly well i think there was this green crush that said like Wanda is a good good man yeah that was them yeah more billion subscribers yeah i'm pretty much well you know um they they they gotta have a banger at some point right because they just put up they do the thing where like when end game was coming out it would be like Thanos with this gauntlet it'd be like what does it mean they don't have a picture of wolverine there it's like why i think that's up next you're thinking of really that's all of them isn't it the easiest thumbnail to parody up next would be the ones who you went furthest with that they would have like what you missed in the end game trailer and they had photoshopped wolverine into one of the badly photoshopped wolverine into one of the stills from the trailer and drawn a circle around him it's like damn how do i miss that i would find it very amusing though uh and then they threatened to sue me we shouldn't dilly daddle because we got to talk about Thor we haven't yet finished talking about the one we don't want to have a 68 percent drop-off in um attention exactly we got to hurry before nobody even remembers this film happened yeah i'm already i remember last time we were talking about Thor he was naked yes we talked about i think the last thing we talked about was the Loki tattoo right it was it was one of the things yes thanks oh yeah um and so we can we can just kick on unless there was anything else you guys wanted to talk about before we we start talking about that god of thunder you might rather talk about a lot of things except this but uh that's just wow i guess oh well and because people are here yeah um i gotta go i've been double booked for streaming and rags cannot hang around for longer than was it two hours i can hang around for about just about basically two hours so so we're gonna try and go for three today and however much we get done is however much gets done i'm hoping we can actually complete the film by then though there is 52 minutes of film left to talk about um don't panic in exchange rate is yeah uh we will do our best short man bad that's as long as most open bars okay like nearly all of them i am as long as open bar that's a short show it's not a short short you know it's as long as smiling friends smiling for us using teppas are we read we're very very slang short man complaints look at them look at them all what are we in short do we hate short kings now is that it yeah maybe that's what we always do i mean i streamed yesterday so i streamed metal always talking about his streams every chance he gets a frog i do a frog well yours like uh can you uh uh i got nothing actually just correct the chat is fairly definitive in their answer you're pathetic they hate short people i i gosh oh my god anybody is under six foot you know you're in trouble or people are doing glitch i'm under six foot but i'm a dog so it's okay yeah that's fine all right then you told for a dog though yeah yeah probably just i like that i like the the answer really sounded like you were coming up with it as you said it no i've i've known for a long time now but that's the truth so did that one i think you might just have a hearing problem because the only the only thing i think that's probably what it is i think you have a hearing issue well how do you say to me what are you snorting over there hmm what are you snorting oh uh you're snorting liquid crack is that how you take crack you snort it i don't know drugs cracking like blood well i watched breaking bad so i mean it's just a red straw yeah let's just you know what it's it's on the interpretation of the viewer they can kind of think about it what would it be muller are you against termination of pregnancy so let's talk about Thor let's just get right in you know first uh first subject will will jump in uh is is i got i because i've still got notes about the incredible comedy and i was gonna say you know we were talking a lot about how you don't even know what if there's if these things are jokes sometimes because of how weird things are um there's there's ones that you do recognize and you're just like huh huh because it's like we're gonna go like we're gonna help Thor on my signal and then and then uh corg the funny character is like what's the signal and she's like it'll be go and he goes ooh and then like people laugh at that and i'm sort of like oh yeah but that's hilarious muller and that's not even the payoff for the joke the payoff for the joke is that when they go to help him they all run and then and then corg the funny character says but you didn't say go yeah i think that was the payoff where did that's what i'm saying like the joke isn't even funny but you you're laughing when the joke hasn't even happened yet what's happening it's uh that's it's like the clapping seal effect they want to laugh and so any kind of vague thing that might be humorous they're like yeah i think she has cancer i think it's a good way to tell if if someone actually finds you funny or not like if they laugh at all your jokes you should tell like a joke well tell half a joke but inflect so that it's the end of the joke and then see if they're listening to you or they just laugh and then you're like why are you laughing oh like huh like i thought it was oh no like because they realize sort of like that's how you let's say you tell your true friends and then you say i am not friends with you now because you are laughing at things i didn't even do that are funny you take off your helmet i am no friend and then stabs you you take off your helmet and then stabs you yeah i just i enjoyed that that wasn't i that wasn't mockery that was appreciation more like cockery so um fuck he's uh he's here for three hours shut up he's doing a plead with zues and he's like he's taking children and Zeus is like yeah it's whatever every god has to take care of their own people no more no less as guardian problems or as guardian problems um i can't remember exactly which things we talked about from this scene in the end of the last stream so i'm just gonna end up repeating some stuff if we have all happened but it does seem a little weird when gore's plan is to kill all of the gods that this doesn't regard you yeah describing this problem as being like and whatever i guess specifically you just talk about kidnapped children and not his issue but um i've uh i've seen people say like it's it's self uh contained the idea is that all of these gods are on quarantine in this city so no wonder we haven't seen them before just like really quarantine with the they're just they've just been here this whole like aren't they annoyed they have to stay in this one place for because if you remember Zeus is like you can't leave because gore could find out where we are from you guys and it's like wait so nobody out there knows about this place other than thord did and now he's here so that's good because you can just keep him here i guess and like are all the gods comfy we're just being here forever i guess they have lots of things going on in apparently valkyrie knew about it as well because they did like the whole job oh yeah yeah valkyrie a lot of things yeah she was like just a valkyrie part of the and so you'd assume there's a lot more other people of same similar rank that would know about this city there's like a whole army of them and that's the thing if someone said is valkyrie a god quote-unquote in this universe i'd be like i i don't think so but i mean she's strong i don't know i don't know how anything works but there's also um he's like not worried about gore because he said he'd have to get the key and he doesn't have it when do you know where heimdalsold is does anyone you know where i mean plus who knows what other things can open it i guess i mean i don't want to play later in the plot things that can just get you there but well like when did uh valkyrie's stupid pegasus thing oh first open up the bifrost because whoever did that fucked this movie over a little bit in terms of them being like wow yeah we have to account for the horse now for the bifrost it's getting a little less special when oh yes your horse can open it the horses only appeared in endgame in this movie right and the horse didn't give the bifrost an endgame they just came through the yeah they just came through a strange portal in that case why did they give a horse the bifrost i don't know that's a good question i wonder if they even consider that being a bifrost and not just her being teleportation maybe they thought the endgame hadn't done that but they were wrong so no no no is it because jane needed to fight in the last battle because didn't she ride on the horse to get there yes so it might happen that's still ridiculous like i don't know because stormbreaker i think we all accept stormbreaker having it because it's like this super duper ultimate weapon made in the heart of a dying star you're like all right fine you get one horse but then it's just like horse you're like when did the horse even come from like horse hey horse's wings i can you can almost see how it happened there they're at the final battle they're like oh wait wait we need jane to come in and save him oh but then some smart person says well hang on how is she gonna get there because the bifrost is already there we need we need some way to make her get there is like oh okay wait wait wait what if what if a horse i hate that show what if i i think we would have been more accepting of mjolnir being able to actually then again no maybe not because then we'd be like what was that in all the other movies oh god when you just because that's that's a form of writing yourself into a corner i suppose where it's just like yeah maybe jane just doesn't fucking go there how about that why is it easy to say there's an easier and obvious solution they're rebuilding as a movie so why don't they why don't they have a thing that they're rebuilding the bifrost yeah as part of their community that they had there that they don't need to rely on thought and teleport to other places and they have a bifrost rebuilt and she uses that that would solve it well this is the thing what i'm implying is like the second you try and tweak anything you're like oh let's just scrap the script do i have to keep the script please i don't want to come on let me keep it um but yeah uh it was it's just zoos saying that that makes Thor like wow my hero you you are not what i thought like oh well what zoos just said sounded like they they're normal way of doing things like he says it as though it's something everyone knows gods take care of their own people like he doesn't even say it like it's a shock or a mean thing he's just like that's just how it works and Thor is like wow it's like well how come i was not notified of this policy did odin never tell you about this whole earth shenanigans because you know if you've got um the asgardians protecting all these different realms as part of their kingdom in a sense did odin never mention like yeah by the way zoos doesn't actually do anything for any realms who was zoos's people well you'd think it'd be the greeks right yeah does he know how they're doing right now the greeks does he visit Greece every once in a while like yeah if you guys have kids i think they'll help you out so yeah i don't know it all feels like it's clear in the subtext more the greeks kind of rose up stargate style against their god oppressors and zoos just usually into hiding for thousands of years until now doing nothing well i saw him but oh no orgy sorry or he was having orgy's i saw a talk comment asking why didn't we talk about when they mentioned um human sacrifices and i'm pretty sure we did we said that that don't make no sense because if all these gods again human souls sacrifice to them like surely some of them they're sitting they're like nobody even believes in me i'm just uh you know because there's like thousands of gods there maybe there's like one guy but it just feels weird it's like there's usually a shit more shit ton more god sacrifices happening if all of you guys are like in competition for it and you guys should probably care more about earth you know yeah you'd think or loads of it's the whole it's the whole universe's worth of gods i assume so yeah i mean earth has had thousands and thousands of gods and it's a you know it's history and civilization and now you have to probably are gonna end up doing that for untold amounts of planets across the hmm it's gonna be crowded in that in that place especially if they just sit around they're not doing anything how can they do anything from their golden city place or omnipotent omnipotent city what's it called omnipotent city it's oh it's just omnipotent city i thought it was some sort of attempt at a portmanteau that no it's just omnipotent city okay is it sorry is it omnipotent or omnipotence hence well those are just they're two different words you if you are omnipotent you have omnipotence no rags i'm asking in the name of the place is it omnipotent city or omnipotence city oh or omniscient city i think well it's it's the potent one but i'm wondering which of the potents it's the second one you said i think it's omnipotent i think it's a tea i think so things get a little bit weirder uh zeus walks up to thorn he's like there are three points i wish to tell you one i am scared gore could kill all of us it's like oh oh so maybe stop him because like like this is what kind of what i mean like wouldn't you fucking introduce a character and you give me like his baseline trait i do not give a fuck about gore you're like okay and it's like also i'm terrified of him he could kill me like we do care then all right why aren't you killing him no idea i guess he's that afraid of him that if if all the gods here genuinely because he has to announce to them that don't worry he's not going to kill all of us like maybe this is the one thing you guys should work together on i don't know yeah maybe thork would say no no no just give me like five of your gods like we almost beat him with like two people just yeah give me a little bit of backup we got this it's not problem well he just asked for the bolt well in the end which to be honest with you i know that they're like he abysses vade so he would give up his bolts just like why not though whatever well like it could make sense motivations like i want to keep that on me if gore comes here sorry i assumed he can have more than one bolt i didn't realize it was like you know i wasn't i'm not clear on that uh i guess you're right i shouldn't assume it's it's like a normal bolt that's he can just turn with magic into like a special weapon it's i guess it's it's a real special bolt yeah i think that that bolt looked like incredibly lame mcdonald's toy that's what i thought i think that's what they were going for i think they wanted it to be like you know lame and campy as in but i didn't like it i i often like it when they deliberately make stuff look kind of cheesy jay likes lame things yeah like new whoa oh i can walk that's a lie um his second point is just chill out baby cakes you're causing panic like yeah i guess that's fair i'm it's kind of the point though though yeah if the worriers gore's gonna kill us all we might want to let people know i don't know and then he says number three don't talk back to be it's like uh so at this point you're like man i love zoos what a cool character is definitely that's what i felt mm-hmm um you think you out of all the people listening to thought there'd at least be a couple saying uh yeah this probably is not good maybe we should hope wait i'm a god that's actually yeah that's something i want to talk about once we get there's just a line a little bit later that's going to prompt that one for me but uh zoos then just sort of says don't worry the god butcher will not reach eternity and again like i think we talked about this last time it's just like what is that and so in an attempt to reassure everyone that uh everything's gonna be fine he lets us know that there's a chance gore can kill every god just like that yeah like that's an interesting strategy um it's not at all exposition because this film had nowhere it was going if gore was just killing one by one by one it's just sort of like awkward especially because he's killing a whole bunch of culture you've never heard of before and what's funnier to me about this it's not like if you know gore can never reach us in the omnipotent city we're in like a pocket dimension or something there's no way for him to get in he actually says oh there's actually a mechanic that gore will find in the regular universe that still can kill like all gods but he won't reach that that one's too far away i could reach it with my lightning bolt but i won't because uh yeah you know i don't have the bifrost even though thaw is someone i'm talking to directly and again as guardians have seemed to have cracked bifos bifrost travel so i don't know man team up or and zoos go get that eternity wish why not um yeah they assumed that why did god should go to eternity and get the wish yeah that would be a really good idea and then gore's fucked i'd always assumed that the other people would have bifrost technology because it was like the dwarf guy that made stormbreaker and he says it he he was the one that made it to be out of summon the bifrost so it seems like this is a higher tech level accessible by other people but only and the asgardians have it you'd have to remind me did did they say the dwarves worked for the asgardians or was it just i don't think so i think they made it for other people as well like Thanos knew about them and he went there and forced him to make the infinity gauntlet yeah he melted stuff on his hands that was mean hmm anyway um they have this like because the fact that yeah this this plot is just meandering when he says uh eternity i think like the camera tightens up on valkyrie and she has this face of like oh no and you realize she's she's realizing oh yeah i forgot there's that place where you can just kill everything if you want to and he's heading there it's like oh my god it's a it's a really unfortunate thing to forget in a time like this and in a time of crisis and you just almost like it didn't exist five minutes ago i don't know why they don't think about the fact that like oh man valkyrie why didn't you bring that up before yeah like remember that has happened that would have been really useful to use that way i know this is where so much gets broken there's a wish-granting entity at the middle of the universe and that they already knew about you have the key you have the fucking you have the key you can just go there and go like i don't know i could have gone there this whole time even in the four fucking one hype doll could have walked over this sort of been like oh wow free wish sweet oh cool uh can you i need wanting your shoes i iron my socks i know it's not there's no qualified thing to get the wish granted apart from being the first to just get there yeah and if your goal was to just erase the wish so just do anything and you say that and eternity's like really socks thing i mean i you know what i'll throw that in whatever other wish you want because that's uh that's an easy one it's like no just the socks like yeah i'm gonna come back later when i need something else because i just really want the socks right now if you ever wished for a really good night's sleep like no just the socks all right i want to become you the wishing stone is that one wish or three wish to become you eternity it's like no i'm not doing that though you could do the thing from uh yeah wonder woman is that what you're talking about yeah yeah yeah i'll be correct you didn't repeat it that time you picked it up it is nice yeah because sometimes things just slip under the radar i don't know how they just do i do not know uh will forever remain a miss oh nice had to say it twice yeah he says uh we don't have to worry about that shit because he knows gore doesn't have the key the key of which there are like four of them and you can make them and he has no idea where any of them are you didn't even know what i had to say it twice i don't even like i just don't i don't oh thank you um also yeah they don't even ask what the key is even though zoos apparently knows what it is yeah i know what it is but he doesn't have it it's fine the other gods know does every god know who my point zoos god knows that he doesn't have it characters or not and question like i can't remember you thought i actually say sorry did zoos say that there was more than one key no i'm saying zoos says you don't need to worry because he doesn't have the key but it's implied like the only thing you need it i think it makes no fucking sense at all if you need specifically stormbreaker as opposed to just the bifrost oh yeah of course it doesn't make it like stormbreaker was only built recently yeah and so exactly whatever thing could act open up the eternity must have been around for a long time and if it was just the bifrost that means the bifrost is this thing in the universe that can be accessed when you have the right tick so if zoos knows that it's the bifrost that you need it's weird for him to say the key when there's several of those in the universe he has no idea where any of them are yeah presumably um yeah because yeah yeah huh because i i just assumed he meant the bifrost at some point but when he says specifically it's the key it's like do they mean just the bifrost i don't know i'm just a little confused about the bifrost does that mean there's a straight frost and a gay frost but if there is a gay frost you'd think the bifrost would be the gay frost because it's got the rainbow bridge you know it's the rainbow it is the it is the bridge that bridges the gays and straights together about yes that's it yes i get it and of course we have the panfrost yo you're full it just sounds like a cold pan then there's a fight that's shit i don't have anything to say about it it's all the fights yeah what do you mean they have to fight these golden they have to fight speaking they have to fight these golden people and none of the gods do anything people of gold please pugs we call them and i'm pretty sure they did make them like fall apart into gold pieces to make sure the audience isn't isn't confused as to whether or not humans are dying right now all gods or whatever like are we fine are we cool it's like yeah yeah we're cool we're fine they're not real no we're fine we're fine we're having a good time we're having a great time you're pure good morning i don't respect them so all these golden josh limbs and none of the gods give a shit they're just watching and i these poor gods they're on guard duty they're doing their job this guy comes in and just starts talking smack and they're like hey we're just here to pull you aside you know you're out of line and then they just get getting slaughtered hold sale that was a lot of blood everywhere random guards just sort of doing their job just they just become bullet fodder for the heroes and it's like come on away come on hold on wait those were just guys this is like murder um you know i forgot to put part two in the title my bad that'll be on the reupload don't worry about it it's part one part two yeah uh well it's not even i think anyway did i really call it part one in the title that's so embarrassing no i didn't i just didn't call it anything part two with jay i'm tempted to put it twice with where did i put i usually put part two at the end right i don't actually forgotten my naming conventions oh well um so much which i had not to defend this film but it's implied only the necro sword knows what the key is or was the necro sword why would that be a defense of the film because that doesn't explain how Zeus knows it then does it yeah and also why yeah i don't know why necro sword has and what like it's odd and that meme will be relevant soon don't worry mel we're almost there to talk all about that just to just to have it here um so i got good news chat good good news for everyone but unfortunately people who've seen this movie know that this is fleeting good news corg dies oh whoa good wow now you hate him unbelievable i mean i'm happy to admit that i really liked him and i also i liked him at ragnarok quite a lot but in this movie i it's amazing how a movie can make me want someone to die so much um everything he was like every joke he's come out with was lame and then i think what really annoyed me was when he like that's why that's how we value lives yeah but uh what do you what do you uh made everyone like he pointed to Thor was being like this is the guy who's told it's like it was such a weird like what are you doing um being an asshole really a character is he he's just no like there to do whatever the plot demands and make jokes but people find him funny so we have to have him in the movie again wow i need to find him funny ragnarok first well just like the just like the film uh you know what if you take what he made a third Thor film and it was like back up to par with ragnarok and he was in it you know i feel like maybe he wouldn't be funny again maybe i like him when he's good um but yeah he gets hit with the uh the thunderbolt and dies and then Thor gets very mad and it's funny because it's like oh wait fuck is that is that good because like i remember thinking to myself when i first saw it just just i wasn't ready for anything serious to happen in this film at all and then i'm just like so is that serious then are we is he dead am i supposed do you want me to engage in a confused at this point you don't really know what to think you're kind of looking at the film like am i you're fucking with me right like do you know what's the joke yeah like you kind of looking at it just squinting like he's not no he's not dead nah like but not even this is a that kind of movie right like no you you that was a little yeah but if if they were going to kill someone off he would be a perfect you know if he is not a significant character for the overall plot and everything and it's just been dragging it down i was like oh actually might have made a good choice when they thought i know that they might have killed him off and then of course now he's not dead yeah not the way they did it i think well so what does this mean that the fact that he fell into pieces and he was like oh no i'm dead now i found that let's call it you know shocking to the amount of like five out of ten for anybody who is following our description of this movie and has no idea what's about to happen next Thor grabs the thunderbolt and fires it back at Zeus and it goes straight through his heart and yeah yeah and that yeah that's i mean like i i i'm not lying when i say many characters like Zeus is dead and uh Zeus Zeus falls off his platform and just you know uh so i found that way more shocking and then i didn't my brain was like you just killed Zeus and i was like yeah of course they did because they don't give a fuck no yeah um so like yeah but but i suppose we may as well jump ahead immediately because like i think the film's been out long enough that a lot of people are gonna be like aren't you gonna address the fact that that's there's an after-credits scene where Zeus is fine um yeah but they let you believe for a good hour that Zeus has just been executed by Thor that casually just like yeah okay it was actually shocking shocking how easy it looked yeah uh oh oh that happened the fuck you think Zeus would have control over his thunderbolt he could just stop it mid-air or anything he just just takes it and then that's it yeah yeah well they imply for a moment there's like Thor is better with the thunderbolt than the Zeus you're just like okay i guess this movie's bad enough to where i can believe you believe that so yeah whatever you know just fine whatever you want fine just do it whatever whatever gets us to the end faster and um yeah and then Korg is like i'm actually alive because the only part of a Krogan or what are they called is it Krogan no no Krogan well Fringy's Fringy's being indignant because Krogans are from Mass Effect Mass Effect i haven't played that Krogans are cool that's all right one day hopefully you shall Krogan did you know did you know most people the fun side effect about the Krogan's in Mass Effect was it statistically because of by the end Rex was dead for most people okay it was that's kind of surprising Krogan in the first game by default he dies so like the way that yeah it's super fucking lame so you have to so if you like by the second or third game and you do auto selection choices he's automatically dead so they don't even air on the side of him being alive but when Mass Effect 3 came out or shortly after it they did some that Bioware put out something like statistically about all the choices and stuff and Rex surviving by like being around by the end was like really low it sucked it was so fucking lame because rex is cool he is he's really cool character i don't know why they would default to getting rid of him rather than i don't know these games were not perfect so cronin right cronin all right the only part of them are alive is their mouth that's what he says even though his eyes are moving around and doing all kinds of then again all of his body parts are doing things so i can believe that he's i can believe that korg is just a walking fucking mouth in this movie i thought you're gonna say you could believe he's fucking stupid enough to think all that's a lie that too that too um so yeah he's fine any whistles to call in the screaming goats because you've been laughing so much at the other jokes that you just want to have that banquet of comedy before we jump forward yeah i just wanted to see if there's we i don't know your reactions to the the gratuitous test golden blood flying everywhere um i don't know i just like to me it was unnecessary and now only doing it because hey it's not real blood so we can spray it everywhere and they went over the top to just have it literally in your face it's like yeah i don't know well wait calm down it wasn't literally in our faces yes it was no mama don't take his side you're both wrong wow if it's covering a lot of the screen and the screen is in your face and it's the screen isn't literally in your face either you can't make a definition of what's in your face all right if you're watching your screen i like wow this discord this discord overly is literally in my face i guess nothing is literally in your face nothing is literally in your face unless you're eating it i guess hang on jay your brain is literally in your face you could say it's in your head in your skull yeah in your face all right you're not your nose literally in your face um i think if i put something in my not i'd say your nostrils are in your face yeah your nose okay okay so the snot is in your face yeah assuming it's in your nose so therefore the term in your face is always inappropriately applied well i don't know we just discussed two things that were in your face the thing is there were different levels of the way that literally can be meant so it's like if so the correct way in all the wrong well no no is in okay so if you're gonna say like literally in my face right you could mean that i am using the literal meaning of all the words or you could mean it is literally like on my face that's not the literal meaning of all the words but it is the literal meaning of the phrase or you could mean that it's near your face and then you would be wrong like in every way because it's just not in your face at that point i think that the point no no no the blood was not literally in our face i explain that really well no no no there is a there is a colloquial definition of the term in your face you knew you got in my face and everything like that and if you if you achieve that definition you can apply literally to have your saying that it was you're saying it was literally figuratively it literally achieved the figurative definition of the term what a worthless thing to say oh it's true though rags you know but it that's so he found his way out of the maze rags he did it so it depends which part of the sentence the word literally is modifying this is man it's literally figuratively true at what point the term rags have you ever used the term in your face it's in your face so i like yes okay okay so therefore you could apply something to try and add emphasis to the meaning of the term but that's a figurative element of anything like don't say literally because it's not literally it is literally not literally like it's figuratively the words you just say you just wouldn't have the word there you just say the blood was in your face yeah or because then we would assume that you're being figurative but when you apply literally to it well now that brings everything into question now to be fair most people understand what you mean because many people use the word literally incorrectly but many they do they do many people do use it correctly i hate it but literally now so also mean it's antinym like it's just very i don't get it absolute madness several people like wow moeller make them move on it's like do you really think i don't enjoy this you move on it is pretty funny right just like move on three hours guys we're allowed to talk about whatever we feel like and this is important stuff people yes it is we need to end this regarding regarding the blood it was a let me ask you this shed would you feel the same way or do you feel the same way about the droids in the prequel trilogy how they were always getting cut up and slashed apart and an oil you know i think i think i would if they slowed it down and you saw the pieces and the components being busted out bit by bit my odd point of my well my odd point of comparison is probably an obscure reference did anyone watch the animatrix i know i did see it yeah so so there's one um it's a whole different kind of ensemble of different episodes covering different things about and so one of them is like the depiction of how the rising up of the robots and there's a couple of scenes where they show the mistreatment of the robots and there's one part where you see a robot head getting slowly crushed by like a tank of some kind and you see this head slowly getting crushed with components and pieces busting out a bit at a time and they actually make it look gratuitous in terms of how graphic a robot head is getting crushed and so i think you actually can make something fairly gratuitous even if it's not you know i agree with it in theory i um whether or not this scene does it i there's that the one bit that stuck out to me was when valkyrie like slices three of them and then like showers in their blood it's really weird yeah but it wasn't it was just it wasn't the fact that it was there it was like a weird golden shower that's yeah and uh and it gave me the impression of just like man does valkyrie suck like she she's like i'm so fucking cool in the middle of like fighting for her and her friends lives god she's a vain character that is someone's blood as well i'm just thinking like pretty much yeah i don't think this change is just because the fact it's gold like i don't i don't think these things are robots right they just i don't know what they are it's if it was i mean the if it was blood of course that would be really off-putting yeah um and i think the fact and i mean you're right with the fact that because it wasn't blood they could show it in that way because it isn't blood in the same way you'd have samurai jack you know when the robots get cut from that and spurning oil everywhere yeah well like ashes dust gases of any kind people like to do it when they have the freedom to but when it's coloring it they'll change the literal color of blood from red to green or blue in post if it means they can get away with more i want to say that star trek that was an issue with star trek uh one of the the motion pictures only the first one was called the motion picture but you know one of the movies so the originals star trek movies were clion blood needed to be recolored so that they could show it floating in zero gravity and not get like you know risk getting a higher rating than they really wanted to be what were you saying fringy i can't find no i think one part was all right no it's back marvel really likes having like sort of uh faceless enemies that can be killed without any moral consideration yes yeah that's true i love that i don't want you to think about whether the golden blood people are like actually sentient or anything you know that's what happened they designed them they were like what will the enemies be it's like soldiers i guess like people like what no um they will be human they will be like statues that come alive and they bleed golden blood why i don't know so we can fuck them up look them up yeah don't question that it should have they should have done the thing from callback time laura the laura uh is laura croft or laura croft laura laura croft laura the um there was the angeline a joe lee one where she's fighting the big stone monster and she's shooting chunks off of it i remember they should have done that right why would you think that her name was laura croft when it's laura croft like it's there's no you in there because like i i just i don't know why does anybody make any mistake yeah i was about to say why would any why would you think anything is a thing that it might not be why would anyone make mistakes i understand rex in your accent they kind of sound similar yeah that's why laura laura laura laura yeah so i so i don't think it's more it sounds like laura like as in shortening of lauren so laura shortening of lauren yeah i think those are two different names right laura and lauren over here on on like short okay yeah like lauren is just the name of a person and laura is just the name of a person you know those those might be good efat movies the the laura croft movies they mean two right the first one in cradle of i've seen both yeah i've seen both two jay i've seen both two yeah and i've not seen laura the rings that's great right no right yeah i was playing into the meme but there's no laura the rings that's been seen but two laura laura yeah that was the joke yes that's the pain there's no joke there jay that's just pain by the way yesterday i was playing trivial pursuit with uh some people and i gotta i got a question and it was a laura the rings question fucking nailed it the question was how many rings did the men get and i was like oh what's the question started it was like in the laura the rings i was already going bring it you know i was like shad would get it free we get i would get it metal get it jay would not and you should be able to how many rings did the men get the mortal men doomed to die how many rings did they get jay three you know what that is a number that is not damn i was i was really hoping that i could just name a number i could picture rags attaching a golden star sticker to jay what he said that it's eight no but you're close you're very close nine yeah nine elves got three dwarves got seven the men got nine but there was another ring that was so why did the elves get shafted why did they only get no they didn't do they were way better rings there was there was there's lots of them but you see them i think i don't think they got shafted at all i think it was just uh there's almost like the less rings you got the better almost i don't know the more you see them in the movie they look so shiny and clean maybe it was because of like the amount of leaders that you had like maybe there were like three main elven leaders so you get one and there were seven main dwarf leaders they all got one and by now sarin's like and so then the men and they're like how many kings you guys got like we got nine he's like fucking that god he's like no come on nine get what what is that nine really i was i was over here last month and there were four of you you guys are lying you're trying to get more you are lying you just saw that the dwarves got seven and well they really are greedy yeah yeah that's why i'm gonna write my i said it they're greedy and uh when they meet up like the men are like oh we got nine you well you got three huh and then the elves are like yeah well i was uh i was going to dock yeah there's only three of us yeah i guess we're just not that you know you know we're not greedy like you are one of them has a mood ring and he's like that's pretty cool you guys don't have that desire power above all else so um it's all good three's fine with us we're satisfied with our three clearly you're not satisfied with your nine so who's the real loser we're almost a third of the way through the stream we have made progress on about five minutes of me go go go what happens now all right all right what happens next is they leave they they get out of there oh valkyrie does a kiss with a grill uh no she doesn't which is really looks at us seductively doesn't she i thought she kissed a hand oh yeah she kisses a hand yeah okay yes that's that is a bizarre moment because just a moment ago this lady in her party just showed up to this place fucking killed zoos that this woman was hanging out with and then one of them's like i'm gonna give you a smooch on the hand because that's what we can get away with these days and these these women like these women as well would like presented as like zoos is harem or something like they were all there are buddies around around zoos like and they're you know these hot women all around zoos and dudes oh wait were there dudes as well i think there were some dudes i think there were dudes it was like his entourage and horses probably his friends because they were probably zoos's friends we just don't have any friends he's an asshole okay i know it likes that's not true he probably has many friends no he's a cowardly asshole he lives in omnipotent city i would i would suspect more quickly that they were there like as i don't know that they were like people he thought was hot or they were like whores or something like hookers whores isn't the nicest one he doesn't have to hire he's zoos yeah yeah that's true but like you know what is the nature of that he's like i guess i could hang out with them and their friends doesn't it doesn't he feel groupies doesn't it feel kind of weird though that like we they've introduced to us this entire network of gods and it's like zoos is their boss and then he gets killed and you're like what's happening and then we leave and nothing ever comes that's what i'm saying that's kind of weird i've heard some people be like oh it's such an awesome introduction to the world of the gods in the mcu and it's like no it's shit it's so shit so underwhelming they mentioned raw by name because i don't realize they've already brought that shit up before and everyone forgot about it i am fully convinced the the those two scripts were probably written at similar times like referencing raw both of them i guess they don't say they don't use raw's name in moon night at any point right but we know he's there like he's one of the statues so yeah i'm i'm almost certain the moon night creators and the creators the take away tz had they had no connection no discussion at all no why and why would they you know point on that yeah fuck it do whatever you want no one cares um yeah and uh it cuts to thaw giving the kids another rousing speech and this is the closest we actually get to a not pain um but it was with a big like i can't believe he killed zoos that he's like yeah never beat your heroes which is just such like what do i even make of this all right fine whatever all right yeah he says like keep being brave look after each other work as a team and you'll and and they're like getting kind of inspired by and you're like oh and then he's getting tickled while he's doing this vision by valkyrie yeah which is really weird because you might be like oh this is just a nitpick but i don't know like if the kids are terrified and you're doing a message to try and make them feel better and then you're fucking with the person doing that i could see myself getting irrationally angry if i were in that room like you know pulling her away and being like stop fucking around i think that would be rationally angry yeah that would be rationally angry okay fair enough that we will back to we'll come to your defense in your own and your own hypotheticals yeah um and yeah she annoys me even more i don't like valkyrie in this film but that's uh that's fine i don't like anybody i don't like her at all which is a shame considering she didn't really need to be in this film at all or is doing is like sort of a round meat-haired thing that they like to do with him where he's just like ah everything's going great and then she's supposed to be the character that's gonna give us the reality and she says there's no plan we failed to raise a god army corg is dead and you got humiliated i have i take issue with all four of her points number one there's no plans like so the plan is to kill gore with the thunderbolt that was like explicitly their plan raising a god army you certainly didn't help by insist that uh that you would start killing people the problem with that one is what you guys were kind of talking about earlier i was waiting for that line because it's like they never even tried they just Zeus just said nah i ain't doing it and it's like what about everyone else yes no one day willing to help yeah there's no one there say like yeah but they're gonna leave out the back door they say actually i care a little bit what a waste we're not all gods of war imagine taking on like just three fun little references they don't even have to be real gods from anywhere you can just make them up whatever um bring them with you and and they get involved in the fight i don't know just but it's like no none of the gods are coming it's like okay you didn't even have time to know that come as the god of sarcasm that that could be fun this is what i mean this is so much fun to be had and i think if taika gave a we would have had that kind of fun kind of yeah inside we're stuck with stuck with these just we stuck with losers who aren't funny her third point corg is dead is like he's obviously not like and he hasn't been this whole time he's been talking to you directly to your face yeah and then uh here last point you got humiliated he's specifically referring to him being stripped naked by the way which she didn't even try to stop and yeah some yeah and you're lucky disney so progressive or you'd be up there too it's such a weird sort of thing for it to say like as if that should be counted alongside these other drastic situation things like the l thorn like you know we may get killed corg actually died someone saw your dick okay all righty well sorry i was trying sorry i was giving a f**k and trying to save the universe or whatever yeah only my friends helped me you know yeah it's yeah i wish i had some friends to help me like time of peril you guys even my friends really or do you just here to take my off really kill me to be fair we're not going to get this scene but you know valkyrie could be saying stuff like yeah i don't really care about you you abandoned asgard remember you were your rule for like five years where i did everything and you just ate food and played fortnight do you remember this and then you abandoned us after that for the guardians then you came back random seems like there's a lot of stuff that's happened but we just don't care anymore none of it actually is in the narrative it's just uh i'm in i'm telling my story and i'm out and then the next guy's like oh now i'm in and i'm telling my story and i'm out that's why that was why i was thinking when you were saying that i was like well that would mean that have to care about the past but yeah it's annoying though because like uh they miss out on what could be pretty fun drama that's all set up right there you know you don't even have to do work for that one that's all day yeah because there is this hanging king of the air that they even kind of partially acknowledged that the people actually seem to prefer thor as the leader when he started talking everyone went quiet and they listened to him the people of asgard and it could be that thor actually needs to lead the people the people want him as their leader they look to him still and he hasn't been doing his responsibility there's an issue there they could address but they won't uh and then thor has a quote there's killing Zeus may or may not be catastrophic for the entire universe and we may be hunted for the rest of our lives by the god kingdom yeah that's about it on that topic and i'm just sitting you're like man yeah it might be catastrophic for the entire universe that you killed Zeus like yeah probably funny funny joke whatever and then you know there's probably some writers out there even in the mcu right now who are like man i would have liked to have written Zeus it's too late now he's already that you know it's just a question have we moved past the um baby eating comment was that when they were that was last stream that was uh that was really funny it was your favorite joke wasn't it shad oh yeah totally course just makes them look like vile evil nutcases and but uh great yeah sure that was funny and then Thor is complimenting the bolt to try and make everyone feel better about their state of affairs and you just he says like the bolt is sleek and slender and amazing and then they're fucking boat ship rocks because stormbreak is getting upset yeah the fucking weapons getting jealous again fuck off and like he walks up to and he's like don't worry bro meonia's in my past like we're we're we're totally fine we're doing good right i don't joke is not working from the doorway yeah please leave me alone it's time for your first beer is that can you shut up please and i mean i know it's a joke and that this is the issue why it doesn't work is because i mean Thor did use me all near and stormbreaker together in endgame and of course there was no issues then but hey jokes right one as free bro i think the last stream we had if he gives up one of those two it's me all near in endgame yeah he gives up the only i could be rather have stormbreaker yeah me only is the little one yep yeah which uh which feels like much more of a Thor line compared to oh no my my hammers are getting jealous of each other oh did typhoon was any watch like the other one no no no so like oh no so um you guys might be wondering you're not but that's how i'm setting this up what's valkyrie's arc in this film what is even her character and it's like you know what tyke had that same thought and so he decided to just have corgs say uh he's he's singing a song to her and then he's like do you think the thaws are gonna get together and then she's like nah and then i think she has some passing comment about how love is hard to find or something and then he's like do you not want to meet a special woman because you've lost your sisters in battle and blame yourself and ever since have tried to find some answers at the bottom of a bottle which only serves to numb the pain instead of bringing you the real satisfaction and happiness mad and it's funny it's almost like it's too subtle for me to it's gotta be like a name for this where it's just like uh you're trying to cheat under the the guise of a joke when you're trying to just shove in character quickly like i gotta get this out of the way that's your character okay it's like you can't just say that and it's like no i can it'll be funny yeah it's hilarious uh and yeah you're just trying to get that benefit um but nobody cares about valkyrie so it's just like yeah whatever she drinks that's all we've got she she was a drunk in the previous movie she's still drinking now writing um and then one of my favorite parts happens because it just illustrates the big problem with this whole idea for these characters they're about to have a conversation these two and you have uh a good old main character say jane and then she looks at him and says Thor and it's like oh yeah because that's your names isn't it it's not like he said mighty Thor that's not at all how it makes sense at all so just i just think it's funny that even the script knows at times where it's just like yeah that's his name it's not really the role no no he said no no more he said dr jane faster because he he respects it and that's what's important um but yeah i think we get possibly the best thing in this movie and it's not great but it's it's like that's kind of why i'm highlighting it that way he brings up what star lord told him star lord said it's better to feel bad about something good having happened than not feeling anything at all basically and then he says to jane basically that he would like to start something back up and for it to go bad than not do anything at all um and he says something like i close my heart off though at one point he says like he tried meditation all it did was make him angry and she says yeah meditation sucks or something just like why even what that is what's the i guess the joke is that meditation sucks the joke is that both they both suck at it i guess so why they suck at meditation i don't know it's like oh all right then um yeah this movie this movie is a laugh a second well speaking of witch rags uh this is we referenced this in the previous stream but this is where Thor says i just want to be with you jane and then she says i i have cancer and he and he's like oh i'm so sorry like and yeah there's there's people who laugh at this point i don't even know if it's a joke anymore everything's too hard to understand you don't know what you're supposed to laugh at when you're watching like a pretty bad movie you're like i'm meant to be laughing marvel movies have the jokes and everything so like you just but at that point you're not even really engaging with the story at all you're just kind of there for like i guess all of the beats like you expected a marvel movie pretty much um it's all a joke walla yeah it is and we are the punchline you watched it damn it um yeah she's like i was feeling tired at stage four they told me to get things in order and i thought if science fails me viking space magic might not and me only i called to me and it's just like i don't think that's what they showed us it was more so she just read it's not it's whatever at this point it's it's it's whatever and um and he says jane none of us know how long we have and meal near chose you because you're worthy and that's something like on its own when i met you i was unworthy but meeting you made me worthy because you made me worthy by telling me what i think he literally says like you let me know it's it's important to like you know fight for people something or other and i think that this is the film's sort of quickest way of being like yeah of course she's worthy she's the reason he's worthy yeah you're sort of like all right like this i guess it's about as good as you can do isn't it yeah that's so sweet um yeah and then he's like now what do you want to do and she's like i want to save those children and he says spoken like a true thaw and it's like this is what i mean like it's just it's not even half baked this is just completely raw this script it hasn't been given me kind of it's raw that's like if shad was to say come and then i'd say yes spoken like a true jay but that would be funny though yeah i'd be fine with you saying that yeah that would work it would work as a joke already better writing the scripts yeah a random character just yelling come would be better than the 411 thunder i thought i thought at any point in the movie just went come i would probably have left yeah yeah yeah so um it goes all black and white which is something that they told us was those are you know color fears to tread or something was this place and and they're all like reacting to it in the sense of they look at their hands and they look at everything else and they're just like whoa and then corgs says where did all the color go thank you just like thank you for this observation i'm almost certain that's what it was that they were like don't you think we should have one of the characters say it come on was it in 80 er well i guess you'll never know because it was corgs saying it right that's a good point actually it could have been done in post at any point yeah maybe it was so that the colorblind people in the audience who were watching the movie you know you can do that like you can you can do that way better you can just make the color change in a way that is noticeable to colorblind people i was going to say um a lot of forms of colorblindness it rags is specifically referring to people who see in black and white then um yes and that's that's incredibly rare like um most colorblind people can see um two of the three um kind base colors that we can see i you mean your big boys blue red and yellow green um i think in the light spectrum in the light spectrum the primary colors is blue green and cyan magenta yellow every every other color we see is a combination of blue red and green well i know i guess the reason why is because i remember that uh because of course rgb right like that's yeah red green blue um it's just that i remember uh like you remember in uh in school when it's like here's how you learn about the colors and then you have because they're they're teaching pigments the the primary colors in pigments is red yellow blue but in light it's green red blue right well actually the primary colors of the pigment are cyan yellow magenta that people don't talk about oh to be technical sure but well we've all learned something today yeah maybe metal didn't very stupid so they arrive great and now i want to remind everybody like what do we arrive on the moon yeah it kind of really does feel that way and the movie just just to show you know the movie has to rob every element of dramatic tension that there's this spooky place that they're arriving to we see the boat or you know going towards the planet and then it smacks into the planet because it's small and that's funny doesn't even make sense thinking about it and it's also like a just a rick and morty joke yeah it's uh i would go as far as saying 99 rip off like as in it's if you put them together the only difference obviously is just the the fact that it's uh made to look real versus animated but um it feels weird because it's a joke that's like one to one yeah if i can see that he just copied it why would storm breaker not be able to tell the difference does storm breaker have bad depth perception why they they're on the boat and they were staring at the planet i don't know whatever fine it's it's shads right it is so funny shads favorite joke once again number one number two maybe but ah good stuff i laughed in the theater and i clapped yeah i could hear it from from britain wow that is a shad clap right there i love being able to hear the shad clap flap in earth cheeks so what do we know they're on the moon they've talked already about how it seems to be a trap what gore's setting up and the only other interesting piece of information they really have about him outside of the whole shadow stuff is that he tried to take storm breaker off thaw that's a thing that happened both of these pieces of information have been completely forgotten now i don't know why because when they get onto this place they look around for a while and then jane sees that he's got little little fridge drawings with crayon in his room because gore likes to draw little pictures on his little notepad and uh he's drawn a picture of when he's gonna get storm breaker and open the key with the door with the open the door to eternity and so she says it's a trap and it's sort of like yeah that was it was yeah duh and then she she throws storm breaker away and thaws like why did you do that and she's like you want storm breaker it's the key to eternity so i threw it over there and this this is what's weird about it it's like why do you think throwing it over there means that gore can't get it this is the shadow realm like wherever you put all you've done is separate thaw from storm breaker um like okay that's the plan uh it's such a fucking weird scene because this is the thing all of it's so jarring because i thought we knew all of this but then it all gets re-realized and now we're doing stupid shit again it's like okay gore turns up it's like oh god here we go big fight and they they sort of do like a hero like oh i'm going to get you and he just ties them all up with his vines like oh wow those vines are effective aren't they that's like yeah they wouldn't be at a challenge them at any point because he could just time up with those well imagine he had done it when so this is the thing that fucking blows my mind you might be like wait so she grabbed storm breaker out of thaw's hand to throw it and you're like no she picked it up off the floor it was just on the floor so all gore had to do was turn up grab it where nobody was looking and then leave leave yeah instead he waits until they all like realize he's there because they saw his little crayon drawings and then and then he tries to attack them and he starts going like call the axe like um everything about this sucks anyway yeah um he's doing like you have this like fucking deathly ill looking person that's like demonic and there's what looks to be blood coming out of his mouth and he's doing his like whispery spooky voice and and and he says call the axe and then Thor goes you need to call the dentist does he actually say that i didn't even know that and it's like okay i guess i guess that's what we're doing i don't know and you might think like well he can still maintain his intimidation on his end right um we'll get to that in a second so he keeps telling him to call the axe and you won't do it and so he just goes some god you are and then Thor's like you know nothing of big of god again it reminds me of Kenobi we're just like god there's a there's a pamphlet everyone gets this dialogue from isn't there um and he says you went to the gods for help and they ignored you we're alike in that sense which um okay that's a fine line you know but i just wonder how you knew that uh it's a good question um and then that triggers the fuck out of valkyrie and she's like she's nothing like you and i almost want to be like actually on behalf of christian bale like he said in that sense okay just that set which is true actually they both got rejected by the respective gods at the time for the thing they wanted all right chill out you almost want his character to be like no but that's not what i said look no you need to listen to what i'm saying yeah because he's like i'm not saying he's like me i'm saying this is just that one aspect okay and we've just both had a shared experience not really like similar people listen please rude about it um but like you know i think great of course just looks at the cat if looks at valkyrie and says chuchu here comes the bad faith train um yeah but he says you know what you're right i'm not a hypocrite i'm truly creating peace implying that he's not like Thor because Thor is falsely pretending to create peace meanwhile he actually is by killing people's gods really weird because uh all we've seen so far is he killed a very nice friendly big god and then another one that caused the whole planet to descend into chaos mm-hmm so good job you know this isn't uh like Thanos where he tells us i did this thing to a planet and they flourished instead of dying out where mine did and i'm gonna do this plan for everybody you're like oh he's crazy but uh you know okay he saw a result that the motive him to do this go on the other hand is like i'm bringing peace literally causing wars yeah so it's gore is unfortunately a really shit villain and he could have been one of the really nifty interesting ones yeah i never want that to take away from christian bale's performance it's the writing he did his best yeah the guy came in and he's he's old god okay he knows what acting is and he's he's just like what is this goofy bullshit i guess i'll read it as well as i can that's what he did he did for sure uh yeah and then and then valkyrie's like you're murdering innocent gods and he's like innocent and and he's kind of like yeah i don't know like haven't they seen that's like that's like the whole question and i think at this point you're like we've made it we're like seconds away now from having that question finally answered from gore how do you reconcile killing gods that are good people and in ways that make their people suffer more but he deflects he says are you valkyrie and it's like no no no no no no the question go go back go back like no and he says ah yes you you you're uh your your friends or sisters or whatever got killed because the gods failed you and then she starts crying and then he says good talk pushes away what even is this first like i hate to make this argument but i had to do it for Daenerys that's not valkyrie she wouldn't cry when he says your sister's got killed and your gods didn't do anything for you she'd be like fuck you yeah valkyrie's one of the smuggest characters in like all of the mcu she wouldn't take that shit i don't even blood thirsty as well yeah she'd be angry if she wouldn't just cry like what the fuck um also this is this is where i don't know why but he says how exciting uh gore and it's like oh yeah and you start getting joker vibes not not the joker you want vibes jared lito joker that joke oh no not him he's a bad touch and it's like oh i don't want you to do that gore should have a tattoo saying dead daughter on his forehead he's poorly written on his fault and then he walks with jane he's like oh you're different because you're dying and i'm dying too the sword empowered me but it's killing me the hammer empowered you but it's killing you the gods will use us but they won't help you there is no eternal reward for us and then he pushes her away again and i'm just like what what are we doing i don't even know what to say like like the gods won't help you referring to to jane it's like all they i mean all you can see is they gave us superpowers temporarily i don't know i was literally trying to help it i don't know i'm wondering how corg is getting all this information is he just reading the sword i guess what he can do yeah sword power people are saying the sword knows everything it's like whatever and you say so add it to the pile of things we're just adding the sword that's what it do i'm i'm i'm nissy and sword i'm nipper sword what a cool name this is sword i think it should be because i'm nissy and it's all-knowing right are i getting out the wrong way around you're correct you are correct um oh i must be omniscient yeah so he then starts strangling jane and and all i can help but i'm just like didn't you guys escape from this with your thunder powers before okay it's fine and so out of desperation Thor calls stormbreaker and he quakes the whole like planet and then it like it's again it's so jarringly done that the film just decides now it's time for a boss fight it's like you'll know goal just tie them all up and take stormbreaker right and it's like no boss fight no we we did the tentacles now we can't do those again just oh okay then um yeah and so they start fighting this is kind of what this is probably one of the basic and most clear ways of representing like how you require understanding power levels for anything to actually matter in any way he fights them all in like 1v1s until Thor annoy like is about to annoy him with an attack and so he just wraps him up in vines like why aren't you doing that all the time i don't understand really useful um so again good news but bad news everybody um valkyrie it looks like she's about to die she's stabbed with the thunderbolt and it's like and then it's like no we got to get her out of here to make sure she doesn't die it's like uh and you know it was another character i would have been perfectly fine to die as well i was like hey you know she's not that consequential in the larger mcu narrative it could add certain traumatic tension if she has a sacrifice of some type but now they they won't no i can't commit to anything and so oh i i guess we gloss over but this fight looks shit yeah the animation specifically the anime yeah it's a shame because stylistically it could have been really cool looking cool but Thor has a really neat looking kind of like he like he's someone's he's creepy looking monsters from the darkness and the monsters themselves are really really dark and especially on the moon it has this cool black and white but the problem is that everything moves so poorly and also just like nothing looks tangible at all it looks really bad because they probably only had one yeah it looks like they're inside a computer like it almost like that's the narrative they got sucked inside a digital world or something yeah like when homo got transported to the 3d you know spy kids loving thunder hell yeah spy kid they wish they could be spy kids levels uh so you guys seen that that article that went around where they talked about that reddit thread from i don't know slash vfx or something but people were talking about the experiences of taking projects from disney and they were like the worst customers to have because they always kind of going around yeah always one shit in like three weeks and they change stuff and it's impossible to finish in time it's like a horrible working environment every time you take projects from them i think the more and more we saw shitty effects the more and more people kept reminding everyone that you shouldn't be aiming this at the artists yeah and then the more and more it became clear like man the artist actually probably live in hell don't they and then some artists were like actually yes we do yeah so they decide that they absolutely have to save the children but that because valkyries injured they best leave so that they can get here some help and they have no idea where the kids are and at this point i was just like mechanically can't um hindal or sorry axl uh use whatever to to let or know where they are or no i don't even know what's going on i don't even know where they are and i guess you could i don't even know what's happening anymore like this is the point where you're just like what what's even going on we were here for the children right and then like but now it feels like we don't even know what's going on anymore and we're just gonna leave it's like this is a reset moment for the movie like we're we're taking a break now but definitely yeah get that vibe which is the axe structure is odd because yeah so to end the scene right they bifrost out but gore managed to grab stormbreaker as they're exiting and take it off thaw so they all go back to earth but they lost on breaking yeah that's just man this is how you do this oh we need them to get the fucking bifrost it's so somehow uh just grab it when they teleport out and you would think if he's if he's reaching into the bifrost as it's teleporting you just get sucked into the bifrost with it and teleport with him nope that's not how it works he's he's he's using shadow powers to stay attached to the shadow planet shad okay i thought you were gonna say shad powers and i was like well i perhaps you know that could work very powerful um yeah so they all end up porting back to earth and at that moment you should realize like so now he has everything he needs the thing to teleport to eternity the thing to open up eternity and his goal is to kill all gods so that would include thaw which means you're on a clock we need to get going we do not get going we're uh we're gonna settle down for a bit we're gonna chill out now before we have our final battle so everyone's sad because valkyrie's been stabbed Natalie Pullman's feeling feeling that stage four is catching up she's coughing a lot looking pale and uh and thaw's sad also and we they show her like gradually trying to grab the the hammer and she can't quite do it and then we cut to thaw getting like an explanation from her doctor as to how she is doing i remember immediately being like oh my god you can't be serious that means that you took her to the hospital you were later down they got all their things they took tests they did bloods they did whatever they did and then you waited for the results and then the doctor turned up and said uh thaw like yeah okay so this is the these are the results meanwhile gore should have just ended the whole world by now really exactly it's pretty much all over i was like this with um doctor strange as well and when thingo gets everything she needs he has america chavez and then suddenly it's taking unbelievable lengths of time for her to do what she needs to do and same here it's just like at this point there's no stakes you know that oh so it's just going to be stretched out to whatever length is needed for the plot they don't actually care about setting up rules and then making themselves adhere to them at all it's just these are this is the moment where you need to you get you need to be really you need to be in a rush you need to be urgently doing things and trying to do stuff because at any moment you could all just basically disappear yep because you don't know how long this stuff takes and they're just like how are you how are you feeling how how are things you doing okay and like no motherfucker you have things to do you need to be in a rush you need to be moving faster now than ever before in your life and there may be people in the audience who are following closely and they're like yeah well he doesn't have stormbreakers so how's he gonna get there well we still have valkyrie's fucking horse that can do it um but Pegasus please i i i mean i don't i don't i don't isn't Pegasus is is that a species or the actual name of the creature well a bit of both i think it started as a name but then it became a species when it was adapted into other fantasies because i didn't want to offend i didn't want to offend Pegasus by referring to this thing as Pegasus yeah you fucking piece of shit well in this is he uh because i guess all the valkyries have him right or they did or they fucking died it did the horses died too that's weird that all the horses died too again again mixed results some people saying species some people saying name name it's like shadow facts i'll be well shadow facts is yeah it's a singular individual yeah yeah that's that's that's the only issue i was taking i didn't want to call it Pegasus if Pegasus is only a individual the winged horse yeah well anyway you got that but you also find out that the thunderbolt can insta teleport you anywhere you want yeah um and it seems to be a specific thing the thunderbolt can do because it has its own little animation thing and everything and charge up so it's not like it's using the it's not using the bifros so yeah yeah to you that thing didn't even do that until they got to that point in the script and you're like uh the thunderbolt could do it i don't know because i don't know maybe he could have used the bifros or something maybe make that a thing Thor can do and not uh i don't know the weapons uh but no the thunderbolt is just like and also Thor knows how to use it as well so good job we just we have to get there i guess so the world can do that now correct just question do you think it's consistent if Thor would be able to just summon um a storm breaker through the bifros no matter where it is in the universe and you just call it back to him i assume it the it would still have to travel to him it still have to have a way to get well yeah but if i'm assuming what shouts highlighting is the second he starts calling it goes fucked oh that's a good point i know um i guess because goers hanging on maybe that would be interesting travel through the bifros then he can call it from anywhere where like so well yeah but so if they're trying to say there's a there's a range that if it's too far away suddenly the wifi gives out you know i don't know what he's trying to tell me i uh yeah yeah i was gonna say but like this movie is trying to tell me not to pay attention to it genuinely i think that the tiger would be like well no goers hanging on to it so it all can't call it while another person's hanging on to it that's just a rule now hey that could be a funny joke he he so yeah i don't know i don't know shat that's the answer okay we're almost to the bit all right we're almost there yeah the big bit but i'm i'm so excited that there's several people in chat who don't even know about the bit they're one of us 68 percent so uh where are we yet so the doctor says we have such a fucking revenge of the sith moment here the doctor's like you know she should be fighting the cancer but she just isn't the thing the stuff needed to fight the cancer it's just it's it's like it's not it's like it's doing something else you know something's pretending it's an honestly bizarre comment from the doctor that's like what even are you saying but we know that what she's trying to say is that by using the hammer by being mighty Thor it's it's making it so she can't fight the cancer like oh okay that's how that works that's how that works yeah which um so that's like in concrete now medically and Thor even says that to her he says the hammer's literally draining your strength and you need that to to live and so how in the world could that possibly be Mjolnir's interpretation of protection yeah you're killing her like what i know that this has kind of been got over before but it's just it was it was always going to be tough to justify her having the hammer and they went with this really stupid thing with Thor was like hey hammer protect my friend over there and so we're all saying you're like that's so dumb but okay that it's literally killing her you're like you know what you didn't even try you're just making this shit up but you just you just don't want to go it on i don't i don't get it uh and you know what if the hammer was like desperate to provide someone power and give it a roadie he's around you know yeah and and he won't die like he's give it there's a lot of nice people give it to valkyrie and then they could and then that could also fulfill the thing of protecting Jane because by giving the power to someone could handle it for the purpose of protecting Jane it's achieving that purpose as well but the person know that they had to protect Jane if me all near went to that person hmm good question well Thor can let him know Thor will add a little note next he'll post it on the hammer yeah like a pigeon he'll just tie a little note around that can the pigeon use a bifrost why not why not why not if it's his magic pigeon fuck it it's it's the god of pigeons then it can do it um so yeah then we then we get our big realization god of character realizations and she's like look i know i'm like a cool astrophysicist but look at me i want to keep fighting i'm mighty Thor and you want me to not do that what would be the point of more of this referring of course to her just being in a bed fighting cancer um and and he says because i love you and if you pick up that hammer that is gone like oh remember when she just disappeared from the whole series yeah like she's going back for this one well yeah we'll get there uh i think that's already mentioned but that's fine we're almost to that point so yeah basically if you use the hammer you'll die i don't want you to die okay bye i'm gonna go fight the boss and it's very much a like oh so will she make that decision will she die in order to fight again it's just like why does she gotta be the one why can't you know why isn't he taking Mjolnir with him yeah double his double his power it's a power focuser that's what we're told give the mjolnir to someone else who could be worthy hey where's captain america or any of the other avengers that was a man in this situation imagine because we now know you can power up basically anybody you want oh yeah we're getting to that as well because that's oh i was i i was actually referring to him just casting that stupid spell you know as in okay yes we focus on the old me yeah yeah so all these like if if he literally called rody and he's just like are you cool with me empowering you with full power to go save the universe quote unquote it's not quite that but it's kind of like that you prove it yeah sure i guess yeah i'll help you save the world i think it seems like the right thing to do or war for full machine your crippled or machine your crippled really a really fun way to start like a an mcu movie is another character is already deep into it and then the title character just gets a call like hey can you help with the thing and then they have to go into like that could be fun like a really fun way they start like they have to be introduced to a plot that they are not yet familiar with and they get thrown in at the deep end imagine like like a doctor strange movie because they only have a made one where it's like they fight into like a tentacle monster and then in portals in like friends like a wong and then you're like hey wong you should portal in some more people than they never do at any point in the entire movie even when fighting the greatest threat of all time in all space i'm talking in perspective awful character who gets portaled in like you know you open you open with a scene of just like i don't know for having his lunch and then the doctor strange opens a portal like four we've got a dire situation here and we really need your help you know like fuck okay you know what you maybe think of was hoppers the equivalent thoughts having an ice cream and they're like come now and he goes okay i'll be like oh brain freeze i guess a god wouldn't have brain freeze i don't know it just even the mighty thaw gets brain freeze um so yeah that's all set well well he starts strolling on outside sees valkyrie and she's like i've been stabbed i will not come like okay i like to tell what i'm stabbed just stabbing in this isn't that do we talk about how um you get maybe i had one of those weird brain fart moments but did we talk about how gore gets stabbed by the thunderbolt and we didn't talk about that yeah uh i guess it's no point talking about it because the film doesn't care he gets stabbed i guess it's it's weird that it happens but just so we're clear on the fight on the moon the gore gets stabbed through the back with zeus's thunderbolt yep and and then that goes nowhere nothing happens we just see him again later and he's just doing his stuff it that it's literally inconsequential that he gets stabbed with zeus's thunderbolt when that was the thing that killed zeus supposedly but it yeah that's a thing it was sorry consequential i forgot it happened i yeah i was thinking about mentioning it but i was like all i'm gonna say is that nothing comes of it and i just feel like well but i guess that's that's a good enough reason to mention it how it beats nothing yeah you think that would be the kill shot but no no it's not enough and he's just fine he just seems to be very momentarily well convenience by that we have seen a grand total now of three it was a gore zeus and valkyrie all stabbed by the thunderbolt all three of them are fine so maybe it doesn't hurt people yeah maybe it's just shit maybe it's a healing stab oh what it's so much yeah it's a bolt of healing uh so yeah then they do a really funny joke where she's like do you remember where the center of the universe is and he's like i know as if like how could you forget i don't know if he wanted to have his thing about the center of the universe or not no i thought we talked about it last i don't remember was that last time you know how yeah i think we we touched on that the nature of center in the universe is like it's kind of doesn't really follow yeah well like for would know center is a relative guardian um work if it was just the center of the galaxy or something like that you know you know that's a lot more easily mediated yeah because the point of reference like in the whole universe is like i don't know man like imagine he was like as god that's the center and she's like yeah i don't know and especially as well like if you're gonna if you're gonna decide that there is a center like you're only gonna get to do that once you know like if you're gonna commit to having something be at the center of the universe you only get to do that once well do you think you're writers it's a cool thing in their own projects they're like i can't believe fucking tired of that piece just taking that piece of shit at the center of the other god damn it now i gotta bring it i'll i'll do you on that it like they put a really cool thing to be at the center of the universe and it doesn't really get treated with the um deserves or the gravitas or it's just oh yes oh hey now here's the thing like okay yeah from what i understand eternity is like quite important in the comics um here yeah there's a thing um and it doesn't really amount to much at all in the mcu i guess and never will for another device just oh we need this at the end okay it's just a thing that just gives you a fucking wish the most powerful thing you could possibly ever do but that's fine it's whatever i could take i genuinely feel it might have been a boat it's like it was like okay we need something really powerful to go for use uh okay wiki comics fandom page uh oh this will do it or you had a friend who actually knows the comics was like it'd be really cool to throw in eternity and then tiger's like what's that he's like it's like a thing that to do that okay i'll do it you show me a picture of it i mean like little doodle and i was like yeah you gotta because like comic fans at this point like it's like back in phase one and two there would be comic fans that have to like talk about how much is being missed out how much is being skipped how much is like not being adapted properly but there would be a back and forth that's like a little bit more interesting because they'd be like well these films are still you know they are at it they're adaptations as we would like them to exist where they move pieces around and they do this that and the other to create a you know movie equivalent pacing and stuff these days you know if comic fans used to have like a meal that had bits wrong with it back in the day now they're just like at the bottom of a basement and everyone's a while a marble drops in like what is this it's like that's your food because i think um in multiverse and madness when they were traveling through all the multiverses there was uh like a bunch of statues or something and that they're like something really important too in the comics but you see them for like two seconds they'll put them in there movie bob was tweeting about the the statues in the place gore is an eternity and he's talking about what they'll be does like the fucking makers of this film do not give a fuck no like they've probably picked up a comic book and they're like oh it'd be cool to like have the imagery and it's like yeah what about the substance it's like oh two give us a shit it's a dumb comic book stuff idiot living tribunal that was the thing yeah shows up for like two seconds apparently they're really important too but nobody cares so yeah he he tells us off and i guess now we're in the third act yeah but this is a very short third act like it's yeah it is yeah because the moon fight really felt like the end it's a really weird film in terms of her space like i said but yeah so gore arrived and then set up storm breaker and thaw is like a minute behind him like yeah nah actually no that's not how that would work yeah from what you're showing us but fine whatever uh he starts so i'm just trying to think what's their plan at this point because they just already fought gore um with three of them and didn't win and so thaw is like i'll just fight him again on my own yeah but this time he really really wants to win he really wants to try it again well no i don't know how seriously you guys take this but it kind of annoys me um gore has all the children with him still and you know at this point you don't even know why it's like why why yeah like the trap is done the bait is done you got what you want why are they here and you can make them you can send your shadow creatures to take them wherever you want why are they here and he starts setting up the key and when he's doing it it starts making the place rumble and a huge piece of debris is about to fall on them and they're all screaming and gore doesn't care and it's just like man why don't you bring him here then you couldn't have had it be the gore legit hated the gods specifically and that he would absolutely not want any harm to come to the kids you couldn't have written in that way could you you could just he's just like you just would have assumed he'd be yeah because i'm a shit lord he's just a he's just a crappy bad guy where he's just like haha harm is coming to innocent people yes i like that because i'm bad you know what you could have had you could add like a a conversation where he in the previous fight as well wouldn't it be cool if he was like hey uh valkyrie uh jane why are you associated with this godfucker you know gods are like you you guys you guys still still hope for you guys you guys can just leave and uh fight again oh yeah like you could offer them to you could offer their lives basically like leave and i'll spare you sort of thing but you know we even even appealing to like a moral thing like hey you know you don't have to get wrapped up in this right you're not you you're better than this you're better than the gods yeah some there's also there's also you know good reason for gore to actually care about children and it would have made sense if he actually released the kids back to the after they serve their purpose uh because you know he the whole reason that sent him on this thing his daughter's death and that the god didn't help him and things but there's no my daughter there's no multiple sides to this character now it's just the response you get the response you get for people is you he's corrupt there isn't a side corrupted bro oh that's so interesting please tell me more what does that mean it's like he just does so but that means the sword isn't wholly determined on killing you know the gods it wants to kill everything kids it's just make the sword it's an asshole yeah it's yeah the sword has no true motive it's just evil blanket is okay so that debris falls full catches it and he's like i got your kids you're all right and and so you're thinking to yourself now ah so he's going to teleport the kids out no no he won't because here we go yeah this is it by the way i just want to remind everybody these are children from ages like five to ten that seems to be the age range something like that yeah maybe five to twelve i don't know it's hard to tell but they're very young is my point they're around probably twelve or so yeah uh well there's some that are really young uh like like i don't even know if they can speak yet it's it's a little worrying because of what he decides to do he like i said he has the power to teleport them all out he won't because he he knows that gore is going to start generating shadow monsters and so you you obviously like thaw think to yourself how can i weaponize the children to my advantage no i weaponize the children spoken like a true taliban and i mean here we are this is the bit so thaw decides to provide the power of thaw to everyone here yeah that's a decision that he just makes i have multiple issues with this there's so many problems there's layers of issues it's just oh oh wow we might want to say it again breaks so much i feel like people really won't believe this if they haven't seen this film there's no there's no like you might be expecting a caveat there actually is one but it's not the kind you'd expect thaw he's like casting some kind of thaw spell and it makes it so he can just provide the power of thaw and imbue whatever object you're holding with the power of milnear essentially to any amount of people he wants for as long as he wants that is what they establish in this scene yep and they don't need a like a weapon that triggers the power or focus the power like milnear it can just be granted arbitrarily uh it's the power of thaw specifically not the power of zeus's thunderbolt so it's not actually necessary upon the thunderbolt even though he i think that would be shit too as he does it yeah that would be garbage um he can just literally grant people insane powers it doesn't half his power or divide his power to give the power to them he's just as strong it's it's like there's it's hard to actually be clear on how many problems this creates because i think everyone's mind first goes to all the people we've tried to defeat in the past right it's like yeah that's true of course but this has the same problem i find with the uh the the flower juice stuff in wakanda where it's like you know that your power makes it so that people become hyper durable they're essentially gods right so do you know any lie like i my brain immediately is thinking about like you know like agent colson where he's like bleeding out in avengers it's like so you could have just saved him yeah just made him thaw so question do you think that will come to process do you think that would cure cancer as well i'm just wondering well so that's actually yeah there's a whole list of things to go through but one of them is like so she can't be thaw because the power the hammer's drawing the strength from here but you can just provide the power of thaw to anybody free of charge why don't you just do that yeah like why wouldn't you just give it the power of thaw then what and this is the stuff i really don't get because tyke likes to undercut sure but this is such a level of undercutting that like the entire drama the biggest payoff in this movie is now fucked by a different big payoff in this movie did you notice i don't think this was on purpose i don't think i don't i think this was an apathy decision if i had to make a guess don't really cared yeah so just fucks everything up it's really meaningful quote on quote that she would choose to fight when she knows it's gonna kill her but that doesn't mean shit if you can just give thaw powers to anybody at any time free of charge yeah no problem no yeah no cancer killer required as um sorry bad as zecra fan just said it ruins literally everything imagine having the the end game army and just give all of them thaw powers so this is the thing someone i think the end game one is the first reference but just like every single time thaw has been in any kind of fight with anybody and every time he hasn't been because he can give and then they can fight later yeah what he says when casting this is that like they have the power of thaw for a limited time only like the joke being he wouldn't want anyone because he's vain right remember how vain he is he wouldn't want anybody to have his power for longer than just one fight no i mean i took that as it being like oh these are kids yeah i don't i don't i'm not going to give the film the benefit of the doubt when he's dragging the kids into the fucking fight that's absurd well it's trying to imply that these are the only people he has available to grant the powers so he'll do it temporarily but none if you could have done it why not the parents why not anyone you know in the film previously um okay shabby what about the fact that if you're worried about like collateral damage with the kids this that's still in this fight right now what if they fucking hit each other remember one of them detonates a laser that like spreads around the whole room but luckily doesn't hit any of his friends all the kids that's what i'm that's what i'm saying like if that's what he cared about i actually think i'm more convinced that tyke is doing characterization that he's like i'm going to give you all thaw power but you're not going to have it very long okay i thought i think that's what he's doing so i i genuinely don't have that i i've never got that roof from it i think it's supposed to be like i think it's supposed to be him being responsible i think that's what i think is going on i i think it's because of the fact that that's makes more sense to you but if you look at the way everything's been written in this film i think it lines up that that was the intention oh and i i'm actually with jay on this one i thought it was them trying to betray that that is somewhat responsible but i'd certainly get your reading as well because it's not responsible it's like handing in it you know an ak-47 to a kid when they're trying to rescue him saying hey body armor shad oh and body armor yes of course so people who would try and defend it i i believe would try and say oh thaw only learned how to do this recently like like it was in ragnarok where he started to get the powers of odin more where he realized he didn't need the hammer and odin established but exactly then yes why didn't odin do it and things are still broken because why didn't thought of it just earlier on in the film then uh there were multiple times he could have done it instead of just giving it to the kids everything's still broken and i was gonna say i have seen defenses of this film i've not seen anyone try to defend this i've not seen anyone talk about this dude the film is out of if we had to make three parts talking about this film i would be like but nobody's gonna remember that thaw had a third movie before see see i've already it's it's it's it's it's out of the zeitgeist already what is currently in the zeitgeist i guess it's the resident evil show that's where i was talking about now all right now that'll be gone that'll be gone soon enough as well yeah and they will they will ignore it going forward like like any future thing there's gonna be a question hey thaw just give someone extra powers to help you out and you know that they're so incompetent they're just gonna pretend it doesn't exist going forward of course i think that it's 100 true that heal will never reference this again or if it'll be like uh at most jj's thing in um by the skywalker like thaw why don't you imbue us all with the power of thaw he's like oh that was a one-time deal yeah or it'll be you're not as guardians you wouldn't be able to bear the the energies and whatnot well they explicitly say they're not as guardian in this scene so yeah yeah you're right there's no more oh you know what it'll be oh that was a power that's only possible in the center of the universe as you know that's that's why yes the universe is making my powers it's a conduit for this so we have to we have to teleport everyone to the center of the universe for fights that all right that's what we have to do all right and i guess let's do it yes because seriously if you the universe gets destroyed if you write four five a tiger's like just giving you a couple bits and bobs of just saying like oh yeah you know this other than you're just like dude why did you write this that he's like well yeah it was funny right it's like no and then he's like oh what was my box office numbers and you're like yeah that's funny but i mean stories man i don't know so i'm gonna go ahead and call it there i gotta get ready to head on out so that's all i can stay for today and i'll uh i'll have to i'm glad we got that bit see you later dumb boy left there you go all right yeah that's the big one catch you around mr rags got you dude i'll be back later uh probably not today that i'll be busy but i'll i'll see y'all later to live boy boy um i don't i don't even care that they have four powers they're still like tiny children like they should be able to beat them at all like none of the fucking thing is crazy none of them not a single one of them is like scared after they get the powers anyone's like oh no i have powers now they all know how to use them really well yeah i think the axel guy like he just does a fucking huge ass electro wave and kills like 30 of them at once they're all screaming and charging in and it's it's like yeah the kids all love this right and i really i think we had this conversation when we were talking about it before like off stream it's like you've uh tigers forgotten most kids when they just see one superhero doing awesome things as an adult like they picture themselves out they don't need to see literal children becoming the heroes that's not necessary at all but that's like the only thing i can think of for why he made this scene this way yeah so weird because it's just like no nobody cares like what do you think it's more badass to like a child aspiring to be a hero seeing him in ragnarok attack that whole bridge full of like demons with it without his hammer just full on thundered up versus this we're like loads of screaming children one of them with a teddy bear is just killing everything or it's almost just like what the fuck's happening yeah well i mean this is the like i think this scene actually worked for some people i think my kids particularly liked it my wife enjoyed it and there and this is the thing though you could have to find a new family because there are things that people can enjoy that aren't set up properly or make sense and still break narrative and so if you really wanted to get this type of payoff you would want to approach it more responsibly more intelligently like all right how could we get this interesting fun quirky scene that has kids suddenly having powers and and going ballistic to get the payoff that some people might enjoy but also make it work narratively and what i would do then is then right backwards to try and set it up properly to make sure okay we could it would naturally lead to this conclusion that in that spot this is one of the best things you can do based on the pre-established rules that you've already worked with um and then also doing such a way that doesn't break the larger narrative of story of the universe i am with you i uh setting stuff up properly that's yeah that's crazy i know right you revolutionary right now um so yeah uh the the children and the shadow creatures battle uh yeah while thaw goes and attacks go and it's like i don't know man thaw if you're willing to have him attack these giant horrible creatures you may as well take like three or four kids with you to fight gore because i don't know like you can't beat him on your own and you've got a whole army of thaws now and you're willing to kill them or have them fight to the death of things so yeah fuck it just bring them off whatever um they fight thaw loses and it's really weird because thaw is like taking punches and then it cuts back to uh nally portman in hospital going oh as if she's like experiencing the hits which is like i don't have any clue as to why that's happening anyone love love and thunder oh there you go um like obviously narratively speaking is supposed to be like you see she's she has to make that choice is she gonna give up her own life to save her love love love love love and you're like oh wouldn't you just be sleeping and then being like how's it going by the way and valkyrie's like no oh well um then she wakes up and she's or she is already awake and she looks over and mjolnir is like i think vibrating near her while floating it's like i was go kill stuff come on and uh you know that's the cut before we'll see what decision she makes sort of thing but just again i didn't even pression mjolnir's shaking this like i just want to kill her pick me up so you'll die i really want to i was actually going to make that point but seriously i was like does mjolnir want her dead narratively speaking because it it's supposed to protect her cortico but it knows as well as everyone else does at this point that it will kill her if she grabs it but it's walking up to it be like touch me bitch do it what grab that handle i'll kill you i'll see really weird uh because i just i don't know what tag is trying to tell me the best faith read i possibly have is it's like when Thor summons that she's doing that like in a sleep i think that this movie has done a put a huge effort into trying to say that mjolnir and stormbreaker have their own personalities and that in that moment she looks over like what's mjolnir doing and like i got the distinct impression they were doing like mjolnir's like come on let's go which is weird because it knows it'll kill you yes i just you know okay yeah so we cut back and thaws like oh no i'm losing and then suddenly mjolnir hits gore in the fucking face and we see that she's arrived on on on did we decide what to call the horse a winged horse should we just say that yes the pegasus the pegasus has another name but the pegasus the the lemuses and it's here boy and she's like i'm mighty thaw let's fight and so they're two v one now oh well no not really they two v one for like a second and thaw says gotta stop the door from being opened so i'll go do that you fight gore or at least that's the plan the plan they both come up with and i was just like well if you kill gore that's you gotta kill gore that's like the big thing stopping the door from being opened doesn't actually do much because he can just restart that if he kills both of you you gotta kill gore yep these are the tactics yeah so it just makes it so that it makes it so that he's only fighting her and you're like well he annihilated her easily last time he didn't even have to do anything it was a shadow creatures that did it so like it like i don't even i just don't understand and so she starts like one v oneing him and she's taking some decent damage but we do get a pretty awesome moment um i i think it's one of everyone's favorite in the movie so uh they're like they clang together with what are their weapons and and uh gore is like you've lost lady thaw and then and she like blasts off and then she says my name is mighty thaw and it doesn't stop if it had stopped there would have been bad enough but then she says and if you can't do that i'll accept doctor chain foster and like everybody all over earth is just like okay i want to make it clear as well that like you know what there's people who think and this is just wrong i don't know why people think this right um but there are people who think this i've experienced them um that gore says um sort of like lady thaw right like you know he says he says the name derisively when no he's just like you've lost lady thaw and it's like oh that's the i that's not the tone he says in either in either to be clear but like as in lady thaw is just part of the sentence it's it's not something that he's like using um as an insult it's not it's not tonally said as an insult um yet oh i was gonna say because there's there's more to bolster you with this but go ahead well okay and like okay so lady is a term given to like female as guardian warriors like lady safe appears in this film uh and that's that like that's just a respectful term to use and thaw is the name that jane wants to be called apparently so like as far as is apparent gore used a just one of the most respectful titles for her that he could yeah and to bolster your point jay lady or dame is the female equivalent of sir as in the night you know sir as in dreams so so would say like it's a respectful term to bolster you again he has no reason to call her the mighty thaw because nobody told him about that yep yeah um well it's like the word lady can be used disrespectfully just like a lot of fucking words but like as in i think there is that is the thing that has happened right that's the thing that happens occasionally it listen lady right you know that happens and it's not like the most respectful thing to call someone if you're using it like that hey hey lady right you can you can you can you can you can get into writing this out of that it's not that's not what the scene is though well yeah just come across as like hyper overcompensation because they knew that a lot of people were going to find it weird and confusing that she's called thaw well yes the genuine reaction yes gore could have had to her saying call me mighty thaw is okay yeah that would have been funny that would have been really funny i would have liked to pause like hang on i thought he was thaw who are you yeah i'm confused now i'm just confused he was already calling and then he just pauses there all right what's his name what's your name i just want to know so like you he's like are the they're all the children thaw as well are you baby thaw are you what are you i'm very lost i'm not baby thaw i'm spectacular thaw as someone in chat said she should say i'm thaw to the dark world oh i'm for ragnarok you could you imagine if they found a way to get that line in the film like if um if if she ended the sentence with thaw to like like that was that's just a thing she's saying because she's a character with a sense of humor like i'm thaw to and then like the next sentence starts with the dark world will never yeah i would actually adore that as a joke oh film's almost over by the way i know yay oh i say that though we've still got a decent amount of talk about in terms of things that happened so yeah um she then says eat my hammer and uh eat yeah because that's a catchphrase she said she used the thaw they built it up so good i i that's another like it's it's really shit and like no amount of um but see she's running with it anyway is gonna like overcompensate for how shit that sounds yeah right does it work for you in any way jay you're the self work cringe person not really i mean i appreciate it i appreciate what they're doing is like and if the film is fine like if the film is all right i'd be like that line isn't horrible like that line wouldn't drag it all the way down for me right it would be like a something they set up and then paid off as like a joke you know what i don't think it actually works right if the whole point is that she knows it's cringe and she doesn't care that's kind of like i don't care what people think i like this line kind of contradicts getting like hyper defensive about the name that you get called well no i mean the context isn't good like that's the that's the caveat right like if it was in a decent film it would be in different context yeah of course it's just kind of weird though right like if it's meant to be a triumphant rc she doesn't care it's like after spending a decent amount of time explaining what name you need to call her you know it's like kind of a kind of really if in if in ragdorock you'd had thoughts say like you know um what if i said this and he came out with something that was in character but kind of lame but funny and then at the end of the film he rolls with it i think that would have been a pretty good functional joke it might happen because that would be out of his character but you know something if jane was more of a character and if goal was more of a character and if the film made more sense then maybe that would have worked maybe it would have maybe yeah i don't i don't necessarily think that this line is the thing that you need to change to fix the joke right no you need to change the whole story oh that's easy wait no this is making me try and think of like far better one line you know finishing lines where the hero is just about to beat the bad guy he drops a line and then ends with the the big punch uh well all right go for it actually well well one of my favorite what are my favorite is the final line in the stargate film where he drops the guy on the ground and he says give my regards to king tart asshole and then kills him is like that's all that was always true i know i've just thought of like an example uh in silicon valley the main character he's he's uh he's pretty awkward he's not he's not exactly like a super witty guy and um there's a character he's talking to at the beginning of the episode who's like comes back to him sort of begging to be part of his company again and he tells him to kiss my piss he says he finds that very confusing and then he does like a really awkward dance and it's like this is painful right like on purpose and then at the end of the episode when he actually outsmarts like the main villain uh gabin belson he says kiss my piss again and does the really awkward dance and it's kind of like endearing because he's won he's actually succeeded like whatever amount of awkwardness stems from his choice of what he says it doesn't matter he's actually won he's outsmarted him like he's he's more intelligent than him it doesn't matter how cringy you think it is weird example actually is uh steven universe gets this right even oh boy to be fair this one might be a divisive one there might be loads of people going and this was actually cringe and horrible but i doubt anyone here and i don't i doubt anyone here who thinks steven universe is that cringe and horrible um got five seasons in so fuck it i'm not gonna get any disagreement um there's a character called Lars who um he's a teenager and like he um he's he's gets like uh he's like having an awkward social confrontation and when instead of saying yes just as like when he's being awkward he goes bingo bongo and he's like immediately like what the fuck did i say bingo bongo what the fuck was that and having just this teenage angst moment um and it comes back later like a few episodes later he's um he's like antagonizing a villain um this is like uh it's not his arc isn't very good but i still think the moment works if like there's a villain who's mad at him he's like you can't possibly do this thing and he goes bingo bongo and it's kind of funny well so maybe maybe this might be helping me out why is it that i can look at something in silicon valley that is like cringe but see that it was intentional and like it doesn't annoy me it's like but i know that that i know that they can do better than that so that was on purpose like that show is really funny so like the fact that they would have something in here that's cringe it's like it's clearly very deliberate and not the best that they could do whereas when jane says eat my hammer it's probably because they legitimately couldn't think of a better line but like they didn't think of one like because why would you sacrifice a good line if you could have it you know like an unironically good when it doesn't when it doesn't arrive above the other the other bad lines you're like okay so you you this one shit yeah like it's as shit as everything else as opposed to something that is markedly shit amidst a lot of better jokes and better content um one thing one one finite one i'm not sure it's exactly the same context but like it's like a delivered like you know a big line right um one of my favorites these uh hero confront a villain again in a cool line mission impossible fallout when uh i forget the fucking names it's mostly impossible i haven't watched these films that many times um it's like uh well once not means uh so what's the what's tom cruise's character's name oh fuck it tom cruise tom cruise meets henry henry cavill um and he's like i think henry cavill's character thought he was dead or something he shows back up triumphantly and then just goes yeah that's right prick it's great one of my lines in the film what i like about that scene as well is how henry cavill was just like okay and then grabs his machine got out from back in the uh the helicopter just starts firing that's good so um next really good let off some steam Bennett is still pretty classic well yeah but these these are like stick around he's dead tired those have never been appealing to me those ones they're like let off some steam better that's fucking great the throw a pipe through a dude and have all the steam shooting out of his chest and tell him to let off some steam see what the party rick does i just i've never found those particularly witty i guess what i i don't know that they're supposed to be that witty it's i to me has always been more of a that sort of you know it didn't take much in terms of intelligence to come up with that but it's more than nothing and it's kind of fun so one of the greats is uh from diehard it wasn't an ending line but then he used it the second film as any line it's the yippee-ki-yay mother and then oh well they are they use that one throughout the whole series yeah except in the fourth one they censor it in the theatrical release they have it in universe censorship it's one of the only times i've ever seen it really he says motherfucker but it's when he shoots a gun so it comes out as mother because diehard 4 was pg-13 um so in fact if you watch the theatrical release then you watch the uh the like re-release like dvd they actually add swear words back in because they couldn't get them in to the theatrical now that is a choice to make diehard pg-13 that is a choice right i wouldn't say it's a particularly wise one let's make credit to pg make make halloween a pg why not what's aside from diehard one what's everybody's favorite diehard movie because you can't count one because everybody's favorite scene one it's not fair one is great i watched it recently i thought there's anyone correct answer to that question i didn't realize i think there is one correct answer but i'm curious most of chat has made the correct correct choice it's some people interesting four that's kind of funny but um okay most people are making the correct choice which is it's three diehard three is is the after diehard one yeah you can google it you'll find the correct answer google has you know like just well the definitively correct answer it's written in books i do like diehard i do like diehard two i like all the diehards except for the ones i haven't seen which is the new one number five i guess i haven't seen five either but i'm like one two three four and five no sorry i like one two three and four but i like four um i don't like four as much as two and i don't like two as much as three and i don't like three as much as one no wait i could choose between two three and one i love them both i it's like indiana that's interesting i uh i i really like three but one is is top dog i'm very partial to jeremy irons and samuel jackson of course most yeah i mean the banter between um the clain and zoos is that some good shit yeah anyway who's yeah you want a great way to come back to this thing yeah and coming back to the film because we haven't beat this dead horse enough about the line look at least she committed to it um portman she i felt she at least she committed to the line and gave it as much as she could i don't take any of the performance i'd really don't feel bad for it to be honest with you what that she got brought back and this is what she got given yeah and i feel like natalie polman just doesn't get enough opportunity to do stuff she's capable of yeah she's really good i should like can you please give her some material to work with that's not nis chnuby and boopy and lame yeah whatever we want those words to mean that's what it means so anyway um thore fails to prevent stormbreaker from opening the door it just does and he's like oh no and then they work together to defeat gore um so it just makes everything happen up to that point feel pointless but that's fine uh they like jane is like damaged uh like half her mask has come off and she's got like bloodied bloodied up face kind of and i think it's supposed to just help us understand visually that she's she's running out she's got limited time on this here um and so this this mechanically this was so confusing to me and i think we i had to talk to a couple of you guys for a while about what i'm supposed to have thought happened here so you've got thaws split the lightning bolt into two pieces i think a jammed gore's sword into it and then meulnia smashes into the sword on top of that which smashes the sword into let's call it 15 pieces and they are all over the place um but when meulnia did that it burst into its pieces as well and so when she calls it back it drags the pieces of gore's sword with it and so her hammer reassembles with gore's sword inside it um and there's a pause here and i remember in the in the theater i was like my brain was like rushing in terms of what visually i've just been told and you know what came up in my head that i don't think the film even remotely wanted me to think about was oh shit she's wielding the sword now she's corrupted by it oh yeah but no that's not that's not it that's not at all what the film's going for don't go that way it's like so what is the film going for the film is going for gore starts to reassemble his sword and it's pulling chips out of meulnia of the ones that are in there she realizes this and so calls down lightning and then smashes the hammer into the ground and it bursts the pieces of his sword and destroys his sword permanently i guess yeah it's integrates it's a little bit and so really all you were supposed to take from that whole sequence of events was just they managed to figure out a cool way to finally destroy the sword for good and i just the way that it's presented really made me think like i had missed something important that has happened there like something else mechanically it almost seemed like if meulnia hadn't been shattered they wouldn't have been out of break the um necro sword because they it's like they're using the feature that it was shattered to trap the sword in and all the things and it's like well if that is the case that they're only able to do it because meulnia was broken that is incredibly convenient let's be honest like if if i like fire a shotguns with like 15 pieces of meulnia in one direction and pull them back they're not going to pull pieces of shards of a sword with them they'll just go past that's just not at all how physics work and then someone's gonna be like oh there's no physics work with a magic hammer huh it'll be like why does it happen yeah we've got a reason i think it should happen this way yeah there's been no precedent set up that meulnia or even the pieces can drag things with it where when it moves um i was just questioning would meulnia even have the ability to break the necro sword i like to i thought these were such mythical legendary weapons breaking such items like this requires something insane like we saw with hella but they just no they they throw the hammer at the sword the sword breaks like oh okay so well the fact that they broke it and then it starts reassembling and then they super break it you know like okay why didn't breaking it work it it's like i don't know you're gonna break it into more pieces than that you know oh smaller than why couldn't it assemble from solar pieces not now it's now it's broken properly it's like okay it feels like they were going for like i don't know almost t1000 shit whereas like we've defeated it oh no we haven't oh we need a better but like the new way doesn't like doesn't feel any different really yeah all right then that did it it's like it's like if they defeated the t1000 by burning him harder oh no sorry freezing him whatever one they do first yeah yeah freezing him let's freeze him colder so it's um yeah don't don't know what to do with that but yeah so you might think people listening so that's it they win like ah yes but remember everyone's really stupid so the door the door is open and it has been open this whole time go is right next to thaw on the floor while natalie paulman's like a few meters away after having destroyed the sword that is you know logistically where everyone's at so of course the next thing that happens is thaw runs up to natalie paulman is like oh my god honey you're okay oh my god jeez oh no oh you're okay oh i think what's interesting that happens is that thaw snaps just like kills the thread away i'm sure that's coming i'm sure i'm i see i've got a list of scenes to read out i'm sure we're getting there any second now there's a broken neck and yeah so thaw's like oh my god what happened and then and then jane is like bro you got to stop him from getting to the thing and then thaw goes and looks over at the door and gore literally walks in oh you're so dumb you're so so yeah we did destroy the necro sword but it's too late gore got to eternity only it's not too late and you might be thinking well why well eternity works kind of weird when someone steps in they don't enter into like a different state of being in which the wish is granted they instead teleport themselves and anybody within a let's say 10 meter radius around them to a different plane where they can have a chat for a bit don't know why obviously you might say it's convenient that this is how it works because obviously gore isn't going to kill all the gods by the end of this movie so something else has to happen at some point so yeah ever thaw jane and gore all teleport into this room when really it should just be gore uh yep but okay again super lucky and gore is right up to eternity he's doing some fleams he's like he's like holding up his hands and thaw's like gore you bastard and it's just like there's not much point is that you've lost he's already got it um but then he's like gore you seek love not revenge and then gore turns around he's like love why should i seek that and the second he started talking i thought about taken and i don't remember how many people who here uh seen taken i assume pretty much everybody actually but whatever is um there's a bit where it's like a standoff where the evil villain has got a knife on taken's daughter and taken has a gun on him and he like opens up the door and he puts the gun on him and just stares and there's a good few seconds of all three well not really taken he's leaving me tonight like calling him taken the villain and the the the daughter are both like terrified and confused as to what his plan is but he's just aiming the gun and then the villain begins to explain his terms and taken just shoots him right in the head and it's cool because it makes you think like that was that's probably what he decided is the best possible way to handle this situation considering all the variables is i will shoot him the second he starts talking because that'll put him at least vaguely in some way less focused on making sure he slices the throat if anything happens you know he's slightly distracted by speaking the second gore starts talking to you fucking have you gotten your weapon throw something kill him do something it's like thought doesn't realize if he kills all the gods in the universe you you get what kind of repercussions that's going to have beyond just killing innocent people right because some of them are some of them are whatever but yeah and he's lost the necrosaur he technically is a regular guy now you he could just take him out so quickly yep yeah easy but like yeah legit it comes if you watch this scene it comes across as gore is like you know now that i'm here i'm not sure what i want to wish for what do you think thore it's just like uh well i prefer you don't kill everyone he's like hmm okay okay i'm listening yeah um yeah but thore tries reverse psychology on him he's like i don't even want to talk to you you win i'm gonna go hang out with jade and the gore's like don't you walk away from me and again i'm like why is this the scene why um but then and then and then it gets hyper cringe guys what is going to convince gore to not kill all the gods what piece of information could he possibly be given what is it the thore knows what is it the thore could say thore's like can be insightful but like what is it going to be and thore says hey man you know that wish like why not like bring back your daughter and gore's like wait a minute oh shit yeah i can do that damn and he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like i don't wait whoa and then he comes up with the perfect counter and i know what you guys are thinking oh he says i thought of that already and that's not in any way going to fulfill me and it's the the the damage that god's provided that's the thing i need to prevent in the future blah blah blah no he says well but if i die then no one can take care of it so no which i was baffled by in the cinema i was like that's what they came up with the father who's like i wouldn't bring back my daughter if it meant i die like and she can't be taken care of what's the point it's like wow father of the year yeah what a what an excellent choice for dialogue and then jane who is dying on the floor says she won't be alone it's like his thore can take care of her i just it's amusing because it's like jane what are you uh we don't even know what's happening and do you know what's happening you seem like you're like half dead i don't know did we only tell you something i don't know and so um it's just funny because they're committing to take care of the daughter i'll be hilarious the daughter came back and she's like this absolute psychopath that wants to kill everything more than the dad ever did oh you know what so i was highlighted in chat like is this better or worse than wonder because like if gore said there's no point in bringing it back what if she gets ill with something i could only solve in a different universe there would be no point no point at all um so yeah they go they go nice and mystically on us the wish is granted and it's like oh what wish did he did he do oh god what did he do um before we find out jane says he lost things um because ever since i picked up that hammer it's felt like an extra life magical i couldn't help but think like it's literally killing you it's taking the life it's like you waste the last hp on your current life with that but okay it doesn't work because she told do you remember when they had the shitty dialogue from Darcy where she's like oh you want to get back to your laboratory because you have always felt that this any second you're not working is seconds the universe doesn't benefit from your incredible brain you know saving people's lives though what she's saying here is like man until i picked up that habit you know is like now i feel like i've had extra fun it's like it it's canon that it killed you like i don't know why yeah and then she says not bad for a human and thought was like not bad for a god shut up yeah um and then and then you know everything goes white and it fades back in and the daughter's back and goers like ah sweet but he's like now i'm dying i'm definitely dead aspect of this decision that we've not touched on yet oh what's that oh you know what yes there's actually countless aspects to it in a way but you go ahead what are you gonna say um i was gonna point out unless this is something we're coming to still um that hey she won't be alone she won't be alone Thor will take care of her you know one of those people that you fucking hate and dedicated your life to killing so that's the angle you're going with that's totally fair there's there's about a few hundred others if you think about it well so he came he came here with the intent to kill all gods because he hates them and left here thinking well you know what would be so you know what would be better than than that my if i well i wouldn't want to bring my daughter back because no one could take care of her but what if one of the people that i've dedicated to my life for genociding took care of her that would do it yeah good sure you will do that um so there's that there's also like why didn't he just like so his brain's really not expanding very far could you not wish for like i wish my entire bloodline were safe and happy and healthy yeah only so i would more in that like this is a wish you could like i like remove suffering from the universe so i was actually going to be like yeah that you expand it to not just people he loves or cares or is a bloodline apart of his whole people right because that was that's how the film begins all the people wipe down then you're like okay but maybe why not every people that have ever said wait a bit that's exactly the problem with this it gets it just exponentially becomes an issue of like you guys do you understand if the avengers found out about this and we still had the writing that kind of is in like civil war and stuff i would want the scene where they're like thaw like you should probably be fucking executed for the amount of like horrible decision making you've just made and thaw be confused what are you talking about like you don't understand what you've taken from the world you have no idea do you exactly a wish granting entity that's been used for something that is not like a greater um good for like more and more and more people you've just taken that from the universe it's uh it's unfathomably selfish what happens in this scene yeah uh and the film does not even want to come close to acknowledging it's like no no no no no no it was really sweet it was beautiful shut up we're moving on just like no you stay right here you you're a horrible person i'm just gonna say it you you had the chance to remove pain and suffering on you know cosmic levels multiversal levels and you simply didn't yeah um i don't know if this is gonna get us off on a tangent though i guess look i don't think they have the philosophical um insight to even think about other different options but for me i like i actually think suffering is necessary to have happiness and so i wouldn't wish to want suffering but i would want that conversation in the film you know yeah that would be all i'm more than happy for characters yeah a character to believe if there are no lows then the highs can't even be defined that sort of thing do you imagine wait go ahead could you imagine like Thor being a really well-defined character in this film and gore being a really well-defined character in this film that they've been at each other's throats the entire time but gore does have clear motivations and ultimately he considers himself an altruist because he thinks he's ridding the world of gods who are a force of evil and ultimate and they eventually sit down and have this wish together and you realize that now that they have access to the wish and gore's not going to use it to kill all the gods they can just have a conversation about what it's best to use it for yeah i would never be great i'll be a great payoff are we fucking amazing yeah we're gonna have i don't know that is pretty beautifully nobody has real conversations in the mcu they don't like talk they kind of like talk at each other and there's a lot of like platitudes and that's whatever but like nobody ever has a real conversation it's um it's getting a little fucking annoying now yeah just how like little substance that is here especially when we talk about like these are meant to be superhero films with again like pretty clearly defined most of the time heroes and villains and it's just like so often is the moral aspect of like the superhero thing considered now that like we have so many like i wouldn't even say morally confused we just got characters making really bad decisions um doing really selfish things cruel things it's um yeah i don't know what the fuck happened yeah like it's not that hard honestly it's a fucking shame but we're almost there so yeah we cut to uh back to new asgard they've made a statue for jade which yeah i don't know course i think it's because of the film but i'm just like yeah she would have loved that a vade prick yeah i mean she was pretty arrogant yeah um corg is having a kid with dwayne stiff is training axl to be better at fighting i guess remember how like before the film came out they're like yeah sips coming back how many minutes of green time did she get less than one maybe even less than one i think you might be right yeah i think i was meeting there at first but it might actually be less than one minute of screen time it's very little and they don't use it very well well it's just i don't know man like oh yeah and of course uh thore has a child now that he takes care of yeah because for some reason this weird child has godly powers you know brought back you know uh the the meme this is by the way i don't think many people have talked about this so maybe it isn't fair to say i don't know but there's lots of memes when it comes to to fund things online where people will say we've even done it in this stream already we said where she would say i am thore to the dark world or there's characters in a in a movie though it's like welcome to the matrix reloaded or something funny because it's just like that's so awkwardly uh that's the family guy did this with the quest for peace yeah oh that's why they call it is this the first movie that's that literally so the way it ends is the thore and that girl she's super powered she's she's it's unity now so she can who fucking knows what they're gonna do with that and and they tell us like the corgs commentary he's like yeah and they so they go on adventures they do fights and stuff and they're about to battle a huge army together at the end and corg says they are thore love and thunder and it's like wait what that's that's apparently why this film is called that well among other reasons is that it's her name love or i think that's her name i thought i thought it was just they call them love and thunder i think he said for did he did he i don't think he i don't think they were that brazen to actually have him say thore love and thunder is the last lines but there's certainly love and thunder and i think that's meant to be her name i just thought i thought he said together they are thore love and thunder i thought it was just together they are loving thunder i don't remember oh okay Oh, together they are called Love and Thunder. I can't remember. Yeah, cause now I'm thinking like, did she even have a name? I imagine she had a name when she was like a regular person. Yeah, so I don't know. Oh yeah, I was like, how are they referring to her? Did they avoid referring to her so that we don't know? Maybe they haven't made up their mind yet on what they're actually gonna do with that plot line. I don't think she gets named in the film being called Love, which is kind of a shit name to have, to be honest. I don't really like, hi, I'm Love. That's a great name. What do you mean? What do you mean? That's the movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, Hercules, he'll be coming in four or five. I guess, yeah. Excited. And also Jane Wentz of our hallow and the home dolls just chilling out there. Cause why not? Cause she died in battle, even though she very much died after the battle. Snack cats. Which concerns her earlier in the movie. But hey, exactly. But all the time, they're jokes undercut, they're drama in ways that they intend, but then also in ways they had no idea and they're like whoops. So where are we sitting on this one? That's a great question. I wanna sit far away from it. I don't wanna touch this one here. I still put it above Multiverse of Madness. I think you have to. Yeah. But like it's not, you know, it's not far off. It's catastrophic. I'm inching toward a two. What are you guys thinking? Yeah. I'm thinking about a two. 1.5 or two. I initially gave it a three, but the more you look at it, the more crap you find and now I'm down to a two. It's a, it's deficient in character. Big time. There's only like. Absolute nonsense. It's about four or five lines, I think that are good in this. The rest of it is either terrible or like, you know, bad in the sense of a four out of 10 type line. Yeah. Which I guess it's just, it's a matter of like the depth to which it's hard. Multiverse of Madness is like implications on all universes. This one is capped to not be there just by virtue of being in its own universe, but it's sure tries. Yeah. It's getting really boring and lame to just be like, what is the current Marvel? You can at this point guess on average that like the current phase four project will be a two or a three and be right most of the time. By most of the time, I mean like almost all the time with one exception. It's kind of wild. The quality of the writing has deteriorated significantly. Yes. I mean, we said it like said all the time, but just do lower stakes. Lower stakes. Way less issues to take care of in terms of like this whole breaking universe stuff. Don't need to get out all these insane new mechanics that you just invent or just pull out of the wikis. It's not what Tycho wants right now. Didn't Tycho say that he wants to do Thor 5 if he can just do like a low stakes story with Thor just going around figuring stuff out about himself. They won't let him, though. They won't. Dude, even the TV shows, they're not even like letting them be low stakes either. And they're the ones that have like less money to work with. The films will never be allowed to be low stakes. Homecoming was this weird anomaly that like just managed to slip through of like a really low stakes film. The reason that slipped through was because it had Iron Man in it. Maybe. Yeah, they could still feel like it's bigger than it is. Yeah, they could still have a way to get like, you know, another hero with name pull or something, right? They could do a low stakes story that still has a big, that big appeal that they can. Moon Knight didn't even get a low stakes story. I don't think we're just using that they can do it. I just do not believe they were. I think they could do it within the framework that they have set up of wanting. I don't believe that they will, but I think that there is like, even with the, you know, the executives going, but we've got to get bumps and seats, right? You know, can't just have like a, even then I think you can do it, right? Just bring another MCU character in who people will be like, oh, wow, they're in this like Iron Man, you know, but not him because he's dead. Wow, who knows at this stage. But the thing is that very few MCU characters have, you know what? Like the Guardians. Wow. That was a great movie. Just a low stakes Guardians Thor movie there on the road, figuring stuff out, doing stuff. Dude, where was our movies? They would absolutely do that. Like what, that made the, they couldn't do it. We deserved movies that took place during the time after Civil War. No, the time after Civil War before Infinity War. Yeah. We deserved at least two. God, what a great time to have like a daredevil type rise up when the Avengers team is splitting to this vigilante Avengers. Like that is the perfect time for someone to be inspired. Like, you know what? I agree with them law. It shouldn't be the government control me and I should be able to do whatever I want. Well, that would be the secret Avengers, the secret Avengers like movie. Skip past it. Yeah. Well, skip past everything. Because at this point, the snap, we are long past that. Dude, where at the point where you make jokes about Infinity Cards? Oh God, don't remember that shit. Fuck off, man. Yeah. Which means we're about to wrap up. And I know that we are just over what the lowest EFAP record is of all time. Like I said, there are many reasons for this happening. One, the biggest reason right now is that obviously Rags isn't unable to do anything extra. But I am also due to pop onto a different stream that's happening right now. Oh my God. Adam and Sitch is celebrating their 200th episode. Oh. Good for them. We'll go see about chatting with them. I'm sure I'll have loads to say. They currently have Destiny and Saga on talking to each other. So I'm sure I'll. Oh, man. That must be great. I'll look chat. I'll do what I can to make them talk about movies, OK? You guys see that new Thor movie? So bad. As for super chats, myself, Fringy and Rags, should see y'all on Wednesday. If not Wednesday, I just can't promise anything exactly. But hopefully by the time we hit the next EFAP, I'll have more substantive things to report on in terms of a new project. I say a new project. It's the one I've been working on for a while, but it's just getting into later phases, which is nice. Still not coming. Also, we have the anniversary on the way. There's so many things to keep track of us. It's hard to balance all the time. Flooms right now. Yeah, but I wouldn't want to exit before giving everyone their chance to talk about what they're getting up to these days, where they can be found. And I guess we'll start with with Mr. Shad, how you doing, buddy? What's going on? Well, yeah, I got Night's Watch. That's gone really well. And of course, Shadowversity stuff. There's a little thing happening on Shadowversity because unfortunately, it seems like YouTube's burying the videos, but made a video talking about that. And that's getting a really, really positive response and a lot of support in that. So that's been lifting. And yeah, just chugging forward doing that stuff. So if you do want to hear more of my thoughts on media specifically, Night's Watch is the place for that. I've been having lots of fun. We've got a recent Rings of Power trailer reaction and lots, lots to say on that one. Yeah, everyone's loving it, right? Yeah, everyone excited? Well, it's a power, aren't you kidding? Yeah, yeah, man. It's Lord of the Rings. Everyone loves Lord of the Rings. Oh, man, it's going to be, it's looking to be really bad. Like the recent trailer slash final teaser thing, there are some real bad sides of it. We're talking about some of the dialogue they thought to feature as they're thinking, like, you would think they'll pick the best parts of the show to, or some of the best parts to feature the quality and that the dialogue they chose to do is amazingly bad. Like, have you seen, if you guys seen it, the line between Galadriel and Elrond? I've seen Gary's coverage, so I've probably seen this line before. You have not seen what I have seen. I have seen enough. You have not seen. Oh, yeah, that was really, that was like, why? That was really bad. Yeah, I remember now. Dude, I legit, because like I said, I didn't watch the trailer on its own. I watched it through Gary's coverage. And when he showed the clip of them saying, the equivalent of let the past die, I was like, you didn't. You didn't fucking use that. Yeah, they got that in it. Why though? So on the nose, it's, oh boy. You must have known how much fans hate that fucking sentiment. Why would you put that in the trailer? Like, what was wrong with you? It really felt like Coke that they were trying to, it felt like a message to the fans that are already saying this is gonna be awful, saying, forget the past, forget the Peter Jackson trilogy. This is something new. And then they even say, it's something like, you know, forget the past or you'll die with it. That's the line they put in. Oh, oh. Yeah, Lincoln description for Shad's channel. Metal, what are you getting up to? Oh, all kinds of shenanigans. I did Metal's Forge last night with Mark the Robot. Talking about Robocop, the original one, that was a good fun. I think you mean Mark the Cyborg. Cyborg, no, Robot, because we talked about Robocop. Racism, Cyborg. Yeah, that was good fun. Go check that out. I'm gonna do more Trencherunis soon. I'll do it a bit less because I'm preparing like other stuff. Like Jay makes me watch the next generation of Star Trek. That was what we did last week. The best thing I'm currently making you watch. That's true because Jay also is making me watch three episodes of Farzar for next week's Battles Forge and that's probably going to be really good. I actually genuinely curious if anyone in chat is like, oh, Farzar. Oh, when that came out two days ago, so I don't know. I've seen so many ripples from that coming out. Everyone knows about it, yeah. So yeah, that Forge is gonna be on Thursday, I think we're celebrating the 21st, it was the date. So yeah, that's on the media channel of mine. That's just called Metal. And you can just find it if you look for Metal's Forge. You find it on the YouTube. That's how this works. You type it in and then you find it. You really did kind of fuck yourself, naming yourself after a common thing. That's just a word. Idiot. Well, shut up. Yeah, finishing up Majora's Mask currently. Been doing my first playthrough. That's been good fun. And yeah, just slowly chipping away on that John Wick 2 video. Sweet. That's what I've been doing, yeah. You know, John Wick 2 is good, right? So people are gonna get annoyed when you say it's bad. Well, that's okay because they're wrong. Evil. So Jay, what are you up to? Making a video on Brickleberry and then I'm making a video on this shitfest. What, why? Because I hate it. That's genuinely the reason. Because I've not seen a film in so like, actually, I struggled to think, right? Because most films that are bad that have come out, like maybe they pissed me off at the time, but then I get out and I'm like, I laugh at them. This side was just like, I was just mad. I'm just, I'm coping and seething. I hate this film. And I actually struggled to think of a film that's made me feel that way, like this much before. If there was one major thing that can crystallize into explaining what it is that makes you so angry about this film, what, what, what is it? What is that element? What is it? Treatment of Thor. Then we'll also be going over treatment of Gore and treatment of Mighty Thor. And Korg? No, I don't give a shit. And Zoo-S? What? Zoo-S canal. I was just like, with Zoo-S, I was picturing like, I am Zoo-S, God-S of the animals or some shit, like. Yeah, why not? Zoo-S, yeah. Zoo-S. Well, sweet. The goal, I have to look forward to. Is there a timeline for any of these things, Jay? I've heard promising timelines is a really good decision. No, no, there is no timeline. Brickleberry video is currently under development. And that's just, you know, that's just coming out. There will be updates for the Brickleberry video out on my Patreon, though. So that's, I never plugged that. So, yeah, you can pay me to see it unfinished early if you want, you know. All right. More of a donation platform than it. Bringy, what about you? She's just working on stuff. That's all I have for you. Oh, I'm pretty much the same. Yeah. But of course, they will see us once again, possibly Wednesday. Yeah, well, that's that, folks. I was about to say, you know, sorry for the short stream. I really shouldn't say that because it's not even close to true. We only have three hours. Ridiculous. But it's like an afternoon stream. Yeah, so, you know, it's nice to have a little bit of a quick fap compared to longer faps. It's not quick on its own. It's just quick comparatively, okay? Like I said, long. That's just a normal stream for me. On a Monday, you noobs. I am hopping over to a different stream. If you have a vague interest in things that are very much not movies and are divisive in every way you could possibly imagine, you can join me over there. It's Adam and Stitch's channel. I don't exactly know what I'm in for or how long I'll be able to stay there. But that's partly why the episode is a short boy today. Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. Hope you had fun. Like I said, Superchats will be dealt with soon enough, possibly Wednesday, if not another day. Thank you very much for the kind donation. I hope you have a good night and yeah, we'll see you next time, folks. Bye. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Oh boy.