 Welcome to tomorrow for May 26 2023 so glad to have you all here today We're good. We got a lot to talk about we got to say goodbye to a very dear friend of ours We're also going to see the return to flight of another part of that dear friend of ours in some ways In addition to that we have got a little update about Boeing Starliner a little bit about a cool company called personal major You should know about it maybe a little astronomy before the night ends and of course we're super glad to have you all here today My name is Jared. I'm gonna be your host for this episode of tomorrow. We've also got Ryan our Correspondent across the pond. We'll say I'm Dolly our Correspondent in the area and then Dada our Correspondent button pusher deep within the recesses of station 204 here at tomorrow Dada will eventually appear on your screen We have got a obviously a goodbye to say to a very dear friend of ours called virgin orbit the Company is no more as it were and if we want to go ahead and get started talking about that Ryan you probably have a lot of details for us about virgin orbit and the Unfortunate demise of a very interesting and very exciting space company Yeah, it's a it's a long story Which I'm gonna try and condense with as much information as possible But first I'm gonna I'll focus on the Shall we say star of the show? Cosmic girl everybody's favorite seven four seven Air Lodge platform Has been sold ish. I'm not sure if it was like if it was an actual auctioning process it seems strato launchers just kind of bought out cosmic girl in its entirety by handing over 17 million dollars for the kind of Bankruptcy, I don't know if it's a liquidation process if that's the word but some kind of bankruptcy process for money and stuff so cosmic girl is officially on its way to be joining strato launch which is And certainly I wouldn't say it would be unexpected But it's a bit all confusing. It's just a bit of like a mind-working moment because strato launch already have rock the massive dual fuselage plane So what do they need a seven four seven four? I just read seven four seven four not a number So it's a good point to bring up. Why do they need a seven four seven? But there are a few different things that I've kind of envisioned I'm also be very interested if the chat room have any thoughts on this But I think there could be some kind of scalability in mind with cosmic girl for strato launch, but I'm not an expert on the hypersonic market. So there could be some I Don't know thoughts about going further than hypersonics. I don't know. That's just that's kind of my opening kind of thoughts on that Secces got a really good point here that I like which is is rock the big Aircraft that strato launch uses is it limited in the airports it can operate from that very well may do that as you know Seven four sevens are flying every single day, but rock of one off custom biggest airplane in the world It may not be able to use every airport Well, I'll just get a picture here quickly in case anybody. Yeah, it's huge just to just to show everybody Just how big it is. It's so big. It's right behind Ryan right now Yes Yeah, all right, but it's It is absolutely huge. I'm just gonna try bring up I thought I've forgotten the the size of the runway at this would be taken at Mojave. So I'm just gonna quickly find that out real quick but The the airports in which rock can operate out of is very limited. It's Always been operating out of Mojave to the best of my ability. It's main runway, which is 12503 feet long. I'm not sure on the meters there But that's a very long runway for for context. That's about the length of run of Heathrow's runways JFK has a runway longer than that's by about a thousand feet But as you can tell you need big runways in order to fly this thing out of and its wings are overspilling over the side of the runway this Pretty much barely fits especially with its dual fuselage You can see the relatively teeny Tyran A vehicle in the middle there So it's not something you could easily land at your normal airport Especially with that wings with the size of those wings It's the biggest aircraft by wingspan ever built. It is huge There that you just can't fly this to regular airports You need to fly it big somewhere big flat and with a long runway So it's not like you could I don't know let's say take a random theoretical example say fly it over the Atlantic to I don't know the south of Cornwall To launch it out of there. For example, that would be practically impossible. So Yeah, the rock is not a vehicle that can do that. However You could see scalability by leaving the big plane to big hypersonic Vehicles spacecraft stuff like that. So that's where my kind of this is going to be flawless. Hang on That's where That's where I think we could see some scalability if The market exists for just Tyran A which is a little hypersonic test bed They're testing at the moment if that market exists Leave cosmic girl To do your Tyran A flights and fly your bigger hypersonic and spacecraft on Rock is my kind of thinking now. I'm I'm not an engineer. I'm not in size strategy I don't know what they're doing with it. But from the imagery that we've gotten this is also going to be flawless The imagery that we've gotten it seems as if that Tyran A operations kind of are the plan for well At the moment with with the with the renders we've gotten the and the press releases and also quickly I will say In my opinion chat room you can have your own thoughts on this as well I think this livery is a little bit of a downgrade. Yes, it's just a render I think it's a little bit of a downgrade But I don't think it's as awful as some people thinking They're saying on twitter and they're like it's basic But I think it kind of gets the job done But some color would be nice. Just come on. Give us some color Give a little pop on that there. I always liked that about cosmic girl It had this sort of air about itself It almost I don't want to say it almost didn't take itself seriously But it was definitely a joy to look at any time I flew out of long beach airport and got to see it I just want to point out where it was based at long beach airport that runway is only 10,000 feet long and it was able to do that and handle that pretty well So that opens up the realm of possibilities as to where it could work Which is the whole point of putting your rocket on a 747 to begin with to open up those possibilities Of where your customers are and where you can launch with the mat dolly take it There's the difference in scale between these two things When I look at rock I see either two seven forty sevens In mind that graphic in case you wanted to know was just showing up a little bit About how big rock is compared to a seven forty seven for those of you Wondering what am I looking at so rock very very big? And I think it was Eka in our chat room who was actually talking about taxiway considerations as well She didn't think about those wings sticking that far out like that's So really wide plain That's not going to work everywhere. So overall Grabbing that grabbing that seven forty seven is an absolute steal for strato launch And I really hope that strato launch actually does something I don't really want to call strato launch the blue origin Of uh airplane dropped vehicles, but it sure feels like it where there's a bit a lot of Talk and discussion and other things, but there's not been a lot actually Happening and there's Ryan's footage Yeah, I'm just bringing this up because new key airport didn't have taxiways big enough to support the 747 So it had to taxi backtrack on the runway it took off from so it's it's basically taxing backwards down the runway And then a little while later it would turn around and and take off. It was also a bit windy if you couldn't tell I couldn't tell it was windy at all. Uh looks like a perfectly reasonable day in The south of oh look at it go and and then it takes off the other direction So that's got a backtrack so even a 747 was so big for that airport that it couldn't handle it on the taxiways Gotcha, wow So maybe this might help with the operations of a rocket dropping or hypersonic vehicle dropping 747 either way Still glad to see cosmic girl continuing on in one way or another Hopefully give it another really cool name And we'll just have to see what strato launch ends up doing with that 747 But it wasn't just a 747 that was also grabbed right there were other assets From the origin orbit that were up for grabs and not only were up for up for grabs, but were grabbed, right? yeah there was the We can argue about this, but I think the second biggest Kind of acquisition there was would have been the facilities at Long Beach So rocket lab everybody's favorite New Zealand rocket launch company has snagged up those for An ability to upscale the neutron program, which is their next big Well, the next rocket is a bigger rocket It's kind of intended to be sort of around the Falcon 9 kind of competitive competitor ballpark That's where that's where neutrons going. So the facilities I'm not sure if they specified, but what virginal bit have at Long Beach is Basically a big building next to the airport, which was ideal, you know cosmic girl lived at Long Beach airport You have your building right next door, but they also had another building literally across the road from rocket lab If city planners thought about it, you probably could have put a zebra crossing in there But they didn't but it is still across the road from where rocket lab are located. So, uh, yeah Long Beach is very crowded with aerospace. So it makes sense for rocket lab to buy up Floor space essentially Where they're already located Um to upscale that and peter beck said on twitter that they're going to have a big cost saving because of that Yeah, I just want to point out that this has been a cool Renaissance of aerospace in Long Beach of late Boeing and mcdonald douglas were pretty big in Long Beach And then basically got out of there in the 90s and the odds and the industry in Long Beach kind of languished for a very long time Now they're seeing a small space come in and take over and bring that aerospace Flavor back to Long Beach. That's really really cool to see it. Seki has a really cool point here that I want to point out Yeah, let's point out the points today Which is that the campus is only a 12 minute walk from rocket labs. That's very very true They're literally right there, but also want to point out. This is los angeles. Nobody walks in la So it's actually a two-minute drive from rocket lab To the virgin orbit campus. That's where it goes. So I I'd argue that it depends where where you park to be honest I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up google earth here quickly to try and showcase. I do want to ask those. They are I do want to ask is the Second so it's both buildings that rocket lab is snatching up because there was virgin orbits main manufacturing building And then there was also if I recall correctly a payload integration building as well within the same industrial park if you were So I walk in la I really do I recently just shot a time lapse on the subway Now it is that is that walking if I take the subway in the middle? I walk through the subway and then walk from the subway It's unusual for los angeles. I'll tell you that so faster than cars True not gonna argue that one at all. So here we go. Oh, this is what this is this. I can't actually speak about Rocket lab is getting the connet building They are not getting the McGowan facility The McGowan facility is is going to somebody else Which one's which? Because this is rocket cab Across the the one that's across the street is McGowan facility that street that you're looking at you're on right now Is McGowan so that's the payload processing facility that's that's not going to rocket lab The one if you cross the street if you keep turning to the left And go down that street to until it ends That's the connet facility And that's where that's what rocket lab is getting Oh, this is better than if you were on site. This is fantastic. And this is google earth. This is not a 12 minute walk This is exactly what it feels like when I'm you've got a cycle game. Look at this. It's 21st century technology. Look at that What's that? Work bikes created in the 18th century. Anyways Um, this is a long walk. My legs are tired You need a long walk that doesn't look like a long walk It looks like a perfectly reasonable walk if you want to take it between look there's a crossing There you go. That's the facility that rocket lab is getting And you get a crossing. Look at that. Oh, this is brilliant. Brilliant. And what kind of crossing is that ryan? Uh, that is uh, do you have you have lights? No, so that's a zebra crossing Different kinds of crossings you're gonna maybe during the post show and our members only chat I can educate you on how the uk is the best country in the world. You're very welcome I can see my car Your car, where is it? Oh, I was about to say maybe we shouldn't show that on air I don't know. I don't know Well, I'm not there now True very oh, dada. Yeah, we're sorry about that Our all of our sympathies to you dada, so With today was the last day Oh, yeah I am unemployed Wait. Yep. Yep. I'm unemployed Well, if anybody needs a good engineer, let me tell you Which way is it right there right there? Yeah, I'm trying to figure out which way to point to I think right there. Look at this great engineer right here Good engineer Um, it actually second he's asking dada if you have any thoughts about it as well Uh, or that I would also throw in Cosmic girl as well if you could talk about it. Obviously, we totally understand That there are some things that you can and can't talk about also some things that you may not want to talk about So, you know, yeah, it's it's it's very complex and I'm I'm not ready to talk yet Okay, that's entirely valid Uh, considering that it all ended about 15 minutes ago for you. So, uh, perfectly reasonable with that now with that 747 and facilities But that wasn't the only thing from rocket lab that was also take rocket lab Was the only thing that was taken from virgin orbit as well Uh, that that that stings a little bit. Uh, it was also Materials right like actual stuff Somebody got some actual stuff well, I believe that the kind of pretty much I don't know how to describe this because it didn't really from what I saw anyway I didn't really go too incredibly in depth, but there's some stuff at mojave including testing A testing facility, I think kind of along those lines because vast who recently acquired launcher have acquired some new places to test things So there's the uh, I I don't know whether this is just thinking within the community or if this has been confirmed So I'm not sure if anything has been confirmed or not, but Launcher before they were acquired by vast were working on an engine called e2 which stood very creatively for engine 2 And vast now acquiring that tech may be able to use this new facility Which they've acquired in mojave to test that engine in order to sell that onto customers Uh, similar to kind of ursa majors business strategy who we may be talking about later and who you've probably heard of plenty of times before Um, and speaking of ursa major their engine is on tango day on strata launch They're working with astra So, uh, this kind of market to make engines and sell to people this kind of new space market for that does exist Is not just the the Historic titans like aro jet rocket dine who does do this kind of process um, this is also a a thing That the the space can do as well. So that's kind of the thought process there And if you saw dali smiling there as ursa major and engines were mentioned Hang tight, you know, you're gonna want to stick around. Uh, dali's got a little bit to talk about when it comes to that So overall virgin orbit is Unfortunately, no more such a cool idea, right? Take your rocket to your customer grab their payload and then launch it right there for them like That just seems like such a cool idea. It seems like such a smart idea but like, uh, didn't something didn't work somewhere and Unfortunately, it's called a jarred. The bit that didn't work was a fuel filter So a little itty-bitty filter, I feel like it might have been a little more than that It might have been but the but the the butterfly effect that I've seen in the media recently is a fuel filter that was dislodged caused start me up to not start very well And then caused the downfall of virgin orbit, which I don't believe is the way that it happened But that is kind of a storyline that is being I don't know if perpetrated is the right word but certainly being um Spoken about but it's not entirely accurate It was a it was a nail of many nails into the coffin that unfortunately undid what seemed like such a Surefire bet in aerospace and that's kind of how it goes, you know, uh, the World of aerospace is not really built on winners. It's built on the corpses of dead companies that are purchased or acquired by other companies at times and Welcome to aerospace don't really know what more to say other than that. Although many of you in the chat room Uh, michael belas. Hopefully I got your last name right there Is noting that the ip and the rockets were not sold So there was no buyers whatsoever for the ip and the rockets So maybe we can get a launch Uh, uh, maybe we could get one In here. I think it'll rock it That here would be beautiful. Yeah, so I mean it is I'm gonna try to get a smaller than rs 25 to eat with the mustard No, I'm trying to get a newton for whatever one it was. Okay. Yeah, I still gotta I still gotta Eat that rs 25 with mustard. I promise I will I just have to find an rs 25 made out of bacon Uh, maybe I should contact jack bear, uh for that. Okay, so oh virgin orbit Yes, it's the only one making news this week, right? We've also got some more from the virgin company Ali, maybe you want to talk a little bit about this one virgin. Yes virgin galactic Uh named for bigger but is smaller. So it's ironic virgin galactic goes so horrible it goes to the karmine line Cool. We like them. They kind of It helped us with the technologies that make orbit work And get people used to the idea and it's a it's a middle step That is mostly I think for tourism and light Research kind of things like the vomit comet. It's a middle step between Going orbital and having long-term zero g. They're back to flight. Oh very exciting uh and uh Apparently this was an employees Got to go up Uh, maybe that's easier for some reason great And then apparently the next one will be back to paying customers What we got karmine line flights running again. Well, it's a good thing now because Blue origin is right now not returning to flight in their karmine line flights So the very important need for getting tourists for five minutes of hang time Is now served again. Oh well at least theoretically I feel like ecca's kind of got it right here when talking about why are the employees going into it and uh the galadies Yeah, that's uh, that's a pretty that's a pretty big one. Uh, and also, uh, even though you even though that was a bit of a Wrong push there, uh in the comments section get that zappan zappan comet back out because that's flying this space Stick and rudder Oh, yeah a cool airplane. That is right Spaceship two is not flown by a computer per se. There is a actual Person on a stick and a rudder and making it happen, baby And that's how you get it x5 x15 style. That's how you're gonna get up to high altitude at high velocity It's official intelligence not that artificial stuff Yeah, and ellison cornish is saying I don't think virgin galactic was getting to the karmine line, which oh, this is uh karmine line with a small k karmine line now If I could say something here Yesterday's flight they hit 87.5 kilometers, which for most people the karmine line is 100 kilometers, right? That's the official point of space 62 miles, whatever you want to call it And this has been a big argument for a very long time Uh, but I just want to say theodore von karmine who is the guy that figured out the math For your lowest possible orbit. So basically when space is possible It's his math put it right at around in that area so The official karmine line is at 100 kilometers, but theodore von karmine's own calculated karmine line is Man, it's It's right on the cusp of where it's at. So as far as I'm concerned it's space Yeah, I won't I will just always say that in this argument It's space and we've seen some great photos here from jack bear at nasa space flight Oh my gosh, I love nasa space flight and by the way, they were the only folks that were covering it live So not even virgin galactic was well, they were live tweeting it, but also that could have been set up So who knows we can talk about them live tweeting and potentially not doing that very well considering that they may have spread some Yes, yes, uh some Messages which were less than the truth Is that a member thing or are we going to do that during the main show we can do it now if you want because Yeah, I can bring up my tweet here So Yes, I'm going to try and do this as best as possible. I'll zoom in there. We go so everyone can see it So if we bring this one from tweet up from Galactic we can see that they said vms eve has landed safely. So for context, that's the carrier aircraft. That's what carries the spaceship too So that's kind of like their analogy for strata launchers rock. Anyway, vms eve has landed safely Thanks to our pilots for flying the mothership and their vital role in helping vss unity spaceship to complete today's space flight What a rush hashtag unity 25 However, if we then look at how I quote tweeted um We landed safely but multiple tracking services are showing it's still at 20 000 feet in the air So they treated this is probably most likely a scheduled tweet kind of mix up But they tweeted that vms eve is safely on the ground when it very much wasn't And if it was safely on the ground in that position, uh, that would have been uh, probably sub optimal. So Yeah, not the best not the best One thing that i'm really interested in if you notice yesterday, uh, richard branson kind of gave a congratulations to the virgin galactic team Through his twitter account. I thought it was very interesting that he did that but he hasn't said much of anything Really ever about virgin orbit publicly and his work involved in that So I feel like there's quite a bias on his part with things where virgin orbit wasn't sexy You know what I mean? It wasn't flash flashy or cool or other things like that. It was essentially a delivery service, right? Well, this this is throwing people with gobs of money far beyond what you or I may be capable of ever having In on a heck of a flight up to Uh, up to a very high altitude. It's it's a very I don't I don't want to call it self centered because obviously You know, it's yours. You can do whatever you want with it, right? It's kind of your thing But at the same time it feels very I don't know. It's just it's something about virgin galactic And I also want to throw this in here too blue origin as well With new shepherd that just doesn't like sit well with me Which is funny because if either of them came to me and said you want to fly I would say yes, let's go When I will pack my bags now and let's go do it. So There you go. So if you ever if you needed your weekly dose of hypocrisy glad to provide that to you My natural inclination is very in line with yours I'm a big big fan of tory bruno's outreach and shift in the ula over the last several years and several other Examples that I'd love to call out But if you'll allow me to push the devil's advocate position the virgin orbit Uh target market was literally Lawyers and people in suits trying to make decisions At committee levels about where to buy spaceflight stuff from whereas the virgin galactic is A public outreach thing and needs to have that Media glitz kind of opportunity. It's very much more. It's an entirely different market for him to reach to so I could justify Richard's choice to lean only into the galactic for the glitz in the pow and let the orbit be Just for the people very carefully considering the question Now and with that I also note which one Got all the support Yeah, very very much. So very telling in terms of who's still standing today. So Yeah And kind of take that as you will however you want to I guess if you want to take your own ride You're gonna end up supporting whatever you can in order to make sure to get your own ride, right? so I'd also note that the Kind of social media presence let's say of Elon Musk compared to Dan Hart maybe there's a big comparison there Certainly even peter beck, you know and tori bruno who's probably the most open. I'd argue About about the company which they which they are pretty much the face of so yeah I think there is certainly a comparison between The the result of what's happened and how The faces of the companies have acted in the past Yeah, I feel like you also Virgin galactic sold itself as a place for pioneers as well These are people that are on the bleeding edge of what's going to be possible, right? But you look at virgin orbit and it ends up very much being a sort of place Interesting to mba's and other folks with that sort of a background it ends up not being the the Lighthouse of awesomeness that we would want it to be now for folks like you and me and all Dolly and Ryan and data and everyone watching who's from a space nerd Uh, yeah, that's that's what happens, right? We're we're all in on everything We were paying attention to everything so our own perspectives are skewed quite a lot because We paid attention to virgin orbit a lot, right? We also paid attention to virgin galactic a lot But for the general public which can sometimes drive how someone may feel about their own company, uh You know, I really wasn't much there with virgin orbit. It was who they dropped it from a plane Cool I mean for us that's pretty amazing, but for most people I feel like they would look at it and say well I guess I why do they keep charging me baggage baggage fees every time I fly so Unfortunately, yeah It might have been a little bit of that involved with it too, but virgin galactic back up and flying with that there Dolly, do you have something to add on to that? Yeah, my my my interest in suborbital is roughly the square root relative to orbital in terms of required energy So it's about a six times reduction for me Okay Well dolly, I just want to say this I just want to throw this out there Which is this is why I have always loved suborbital flights and things like that There's a lot of groups that want to do research that requires them To have more than just the simple drop towers where you can get a couple seconds of microgravity There's also these people typically can't afford a flight on say like a transporter mission And the million dollars that that may cost in order to get their payload there for it They may also not need Several days to weeks worth of data in order to get what they want So the ability to do suborbital research in Microgravity for minutes at a time. It's going to be unbelievably important I mean they're already flying payloads on new shepherd that do science That really could not have been easily done before you could do it in a drop tower You would have to send it to the international space station in order to make it happen Overall, yeah, so that's That's that's to me why suborbital is exciting is the fact that there is research that can be done And is much better suited to suborbital that will open up the the research If you're telling me cool to many more 300 seconds of gravity is Significantly more than 20 something For this yes, I would say so. Absolutely. I want as much data as I can I want to maximize the amount of money that I want to maximize my scientific bang for my buck and if I launch something into orbit. I have to have ground assets I have to probably pay Permits for things like that in order to make it work. And there's also the chance that it may not work and We never find out why it didn't work on a suborbital flight if something doesn't work It comes it should come back And we find out why it didn't work and then get it up there again so That the whole idea of observing something when we're not jostling it in the way that we're always jostling it Uh, it's all a heisenberg question the longer we can observe it not being jostled The more accuracy we have about its position information. So 10 times the measurement 10 times the precision of understanding zero g Definitely worth it. Yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully that's how it's going to end up I don't know if it is simply because we don't know a lot about what new shepherds flying in terms of science experiments And virgin galactic has said that they are going to fly experiments, but it's not much of it has been spoken of yet, so We'll have to see what ends up happening in the future Einstein tells me that from inside a closed elevator He can't tell whether he's on a virgin orbit or a new shepherd flight once they're not in the atmosphere Fair enough fair enough. That's a great. It's a great way to put it dolly. I think that wraps our virgin Opening section pretty well Because we've got a little bit of news that kind of surprised me because I just haven't heard much From either nasa or bowing on the subject and that is starliner We got a little update from nasa about starliner and ryan you kind of got the deeps about that yeah, so um it's I wouldn't say it's entirely negative nor would it be entirely positive um, but starliner is definitely that kind of for a reason. I don't know Kind of that kind of controversial vehicle between SpaceX's dragon and itself I don't understand why probably just because they were paid more to do it and it's taken longer to do would be my personal reasoning for that opinion that the community seems to have on starliner for some reason anyways 95 percent of the certification Processes in order to put crew in the in the can So to speak have been completed nasa is appears to be happy with those The active thermal control system is going to have a bypass valve replaced We know starliners had valve problems in the past So it's probably best that they check these things out and replace them if need be And there's also some work going on to evaluate The elevated risk and I quote elevated risk from a specific type of tape used on the spacecraft to protect wires So all of the all of the little little details that are on starliner are being being looked over by nasa even the type of tape Tape what tape did they mention the specific type of tape or did they just say tape? From my from my condensed notes here. It just says type of tape Tape like is it speed tape or something? You're not allowed to say you're not allowed to say you remember an ISS. It's two inch wide utility tape You're not allowed to say the brand. You're not allowed to any of those things So it was a specific brand of gray um Easily available two inch wide tape of of a particular favored brand That I keep over there Copy that. I don't know. I have to throw you in here being the engineer If you could just give us a little bit about tape What why what is going on? What how what kind of tape you want to talk about? Captain tape Well, like what I would about tape some Some type of captain tape right because captain is is flight rated So, yeah What how how can there's there's lots of different tapes that are Flight rated, but they're only flight rated if you do the testing that you want to Testing for the the the conditions you want to fly in like If you if it's inside of a crew capsule, for example, you have flammability requirements Um, so you can't use Most paper-based tapes because they're flammable and they they have a burn propagation rate That's greater than what's allowed in an oxygen environment Um, there's those are all kinds of requirements about Uh, things that you can even put on aircraft like the the FAA doesn't like burn rates to be greater than a certain amount And particularly in in in cargo spaces where there are people on board and The cargo is not constantly monitored Um, so you If you're going to space it's I would imagine it's much the same thing And so you have to understand The properties of of all the things that you're putting in that space so that you don't have another apollo one moment Yes, that is a significant thing to think about remember with starliner. This is a crude vehicle There's no room for error Or the margin for error is unbelievably small that there shouldn't be room for error, frankly with things like that. So it's Incredibly incredibly important that you get every little thing correct and Bennett elder very correct in What you're saying there oxygen is scary It really is if you have something soaking in a pure oxygen environment for Hours at a time you could turn things that are normally not flammable into things that will just light up like you can't believe It's incredible what you could do with oxygen in an oxygen-rich environment. It's Yeah, it's the first it's the reason that we had one of our first disasters in Spaceflight here in the United States with Apollo one and you got to get it right so Tough tough tough love for starliner there, but ultimately It's important to get every single thing correct. Thank you, tolly with your various different types of tape Well, I don't this is this is my strato launch kit Along with several other of them This is my entire kit for being able to put their logo on the side of a vehicle. That's all I need Holly, that's I spare Yeah, I don't I don't have my Just a fuck or something I don't have my Mammal branded tape. Shall I say in my drawer with me? Um, but many different comments of different types of Adhesive um Paul saying grid of tape Bennett saying gaffer and a hoop of Paul saying flex seal Yeah, I mean I mean it could I I wonder if it will work on spacecraft. That's going to be the next flex here and Yeah, uh, Jason is saying I imagine they have LOC procedures in place, which means loss of crew And yes, absolutely. It's not just Boeing SpaceX Certainly has all of that as well and then Bennett bringing up a very good point Which is the next company to lose crew is going at it. Doesn't estimate all know it I don't know if that would actually happen, but ultimately It would not be a very good look for that company. So overall It's it's one of those things that I don't even want to think about because the professionals who think about it Should be doing that and it would appear that with starliner. They're doing a very good job of it and Get it together and let's get it right the first time not the fourth or fifth time Yeah, even though this is the the third time technically Dolly, you want to tell us a little bit about a big bear? Or some major. Oh my goodness. I am I've only heard about them like this year And yet I'm seeing them tell me more about progress than I'm typically used to hearing from like big people like Blue Urgent And I see them flying their rockets More than big people like Blue Urgent. No, maybe it's because smaller rockets are fast and easy and go Okay, fine. Yeah, I was great about the ass dolly rockets. They have rockets Well, they have an engine that's flying on tall and one They have rocket motors that they're showing on the ground They are part of astra. Are they the first or the second stage or are they both stages? I have to look that up again But uh, ursent major is doing work with a whole bunch of different things They got a bunch of irons in the fire and they appear to be going at this the kind of Slow methodical way that we know works and is slow and methodical So, um, I have every hope for ursent major. I'm really excited about them. I think they're going to Uh, kick the small sat market into gear Maybe they can buy the uh, ip from virgin orbit Sorry, I go going off on a tangent. Go go. That time has passed. Unfortunately It passed 42 minutes ago actually But they didn't sell so anyway Yeah, uh, ben and elder is saying part of astra Uh, is it a but i'm from lateral move by them. So, uh, why do You could do horizontal integration instead of vertical integration. I guess and And jason, uh bringing a pretty cool one, which is ursent major Trying to be the next aero jet aero jet rocket time Basically like a propulsion provider to whoever wants to bring a game a game a rocket To the playing field to play the game Oh, yeah, we need that with that and ursent major Dolly, can you tell us a little bit about ursent major if you have any background about them a little bit? There's a company that many people may not actually know much about Yeah, so there are about a hundred people or a sent a space x if you like. No, no, they're less than a sent a space x and they have managed to uh, uh produce useful goods and And have rockets that have done useful work and rocket geeks know that that's special That I said something special They have done things that don't just do it on test stands. So I'm very very excited about that. Um I don't know very much more about them. They seem to be getting their partnerships in order They seem to have their core competencies aligned and they're kicking butt I just I'm Bring it bring it. Can I get an interview with them? I'll check. Uh, if you want to get an interview with them. I think you should go for it, you know, I'll try to find out Go, you know, just get get that Get that contact rolling with it. So by the way, what they are doing they're developing a liquid oxygen and kerosene engine keralox engine that is called Hadley it makes about 5,000 pounds of thrust They're also developing a bigger engine called Ripley, which will generate about 50,000 pounds of thrust And then they have another one that they're in development with called arrow way, which will generate about 200,000 pounds of thrust So these guys they're really they're really working with that By the way, Hadley and Ripley are keralox and arrow way are methalox So Work with that. However, you need to that should be should be very interesting And I like the fact that they're naming their engines after Characters in science fiction, right? We got Hadley, which is from Ray Bradbury's story We've got Ripley very much from the alien franchise and then we have arrow way from contact Carl Fagan's contact Story and movie, you know, so that's a cool. It's a cool set of things to be naming your your rocket engines after Yes, I love good naming conventions rocket lab. Hmm rocket. Yeah, make it happen. Oh my gosh Did you did you see the names of the of the two? tropics missions that Rocket lab launched weren't they great? So the first one for those of you who don't know the first one was called rocket like a hurricane and I It's so good The tropics satellites are actually going to be studying hurricane cyclones In detail and that's rocket like a hurricane. That's perfect so I wonder if the scorpions found out about that and Did something maybe for rocket lab that was nice and special for them. Don't even know about your mind copyright Yeah, and then last night they launched the last night if I recall correctly, uh, that was the second tropics payload that was going up and that That mission was called coming to a storm near you and Just I don't know who makes up the names at rocket lab, but They must have a whole department There's no way one person can be coming up with all of their different mission names It's probably I imagine they just have an office a room for I don't know 10 20 people who just pick names Out of thin air and make out has a good point both missions were delayed by storms I think they probably only have three or four people in a room And they are all to trim down the ideas that the engineers threw off in their spare time I think they only had to edit down from the creativity in their own group down to something that could people can understand So we got some marketing people in there I really hope it's one of those things that's set up at the company where you can like suggest ideas Like they've got like a name box somewhere In the year that we're right out on a little step put it in the box You know And just like put it in so that's fantastic. I gotta say rocket like a hurricane I think is my favorite so far that they've come up with it's that's so good Like seriously I just I can't do it uh and ecca is saying that it was covered in a Interview a few years ago in our in our chat room. That's what ecca is saying so Ecca if you know who it was or if if we missed what you said in terms of that if you could drop it in the chat room again real quick Feel free to do so with that And those mission names were picked by nasa staff according to peter Nice nice although peter beck as jason is putting Up by there peter beck has betting power over the results though I would imagine obviously, you know if you own your company you can kind of call Call it you can just like what the company does. Yeah. Yeah, you are the control freak in chief. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Yeah, by whatever name Yep, exactly. That's uh, that's how to do it. So super super cool with that there I can't I can't wait to see what their next Set is going to be right like if you could name a mission What would you name a mission? Well, it depends what's on the mission That's the whole point of rocket abs names. It depends what the mission is Depends what it's doing They're all related to the payload or the the destination or Uh, something to do with the mission in one way or another. So I think send it on what did they not work? Google search. I don't google search There's also a picture. It didn't happen. I think I think that also might have been a failure one Uh, yeah picture. It didn't happen Fail to reach orbit. There were no pics and it didn't happen. So Scrub that one from the manifest. Yeah, I didn't see anything here so Just it didn't you none of you saw anything, right? I did All right, so I want to talk a little bit about something to kind of wrap it up Uh with what we got to wrap the show. Did I say wrap it up to wrap the show? Wow I'm just doubling the words today. Hopefully you like doubled words But you guys know what this is this big long facility out in the middle of I suppose it's a It's kind of like a desert, but it's not really a desert because it's in washington Wait, what is it? Is it a You said washington So i'm gonna assume you mean washed at washington state because I can't see the capital building anywhere So i'm going to guess that this is stoke Ah stoke It's in a it's a big it's in a big l shape and it's made of blocky. So it's lego. It's lego It's lego Well dolly you got it right. It's lego the laser interferometer gravitational wave observatory Which as you know back in 2015 discovered the first are detected gravitational waves for the first time which was Essentially a instant nobel prize in physics winner for the folks that were working on that They shut down about three years ago in order to upgrade all of the systems and it's back up and running And it's better than ever. They're gonna get about twice the resolution out of it, which is super super exciting That should allow it to detect Uh gravitational waves even better because not because It's able to detect specific types of gravitational waves So because it can cut down on the noise that comes through so this upgrade Is essentially isolating lego and its systems even more from the universe So that way it can feel those gravity or Detect those gravitational waves as they come through and scientists are really excited about this because we could end up finding completely new types of gravitational waves which like What kind of objects combining together? Would generate new types of gravitational waves thinking about that just kind of blows my mind a little bit And I am very excited to see the first results coming back from Upgraded lego. I don't think they have an official name for upgraded lego yet So maybe we'll have to call rocket lab and ask them to generate a updated name for the official or enhanced lego Or perhaps lego back better than ever lego 2 gravitational wave boogaloo. I don't know so Great stuff right and by the way these little elves There's There are several of them all over the world not just here in the united two in the united states I believe there's one in europe one in india as well. These things are several kilometers long So they are not small Uh systems by any Anybody's measure these things are huge and someone in the chat room will say banana for scale Well, uh, there's a door for scale right there and also a old ford pickup for scale a tractor for scale And what appears to be a dumpster for scale. So we have everything Except a banana for scale for you there So enjoy some gravel for scale if that's useful That's well, well, I think uh with where the gravel is relative to the street and the the berm with Vegetation on it. That's an fia grade three turn through there. Uh, it's my best guess Yes, dolly go so so I You know a teacher who taught me classical music and classical physics and they would think that okay You can cut the noise down if we upgrade it again. Do we cut it in half and then we upgrade it again We cut it in half. How many times do we get to do that? As many as we want As many as funding will allow as many as funding will allow. So I suppose each time gets more expensive Yes, yeah a little bit more expensive a little You know the hard part of how many football fields is that uh, Stephen thompson a lot about 40 40 or more than us in each direction More than us americans can typically count. Uh, b. Veebs his bananas are in the dumpster. Oh my gosh. Thank you chat room Yes, they are definitely you guys are just the best and yeah, allison. Actually, I want to point this out Allison with a fantastic comment there, which I always love to show Folks which is that einstein said he didn't think that we could ever detect gravitational waves He was confident that we would never be able to have the type of technology You know it allows to detect gravitational waves and then literally a hundred years like a hundred years after the publishing of the theories of general and special relativity confirmed So good stuff Something about which einstein was wrong Yes, yes, that's a really good point That's a really good point the theory of general and special relativity is wild because they're There have been few inaccurate inaccuracies in it. So that's really weird in science. So not You know, everyone's always saying it's perfect. It's not perfect There were obviously things that had to be changed. You had to get the mathematics, right? Once we figured physics out and things like that. I know once we figured physics out That's a really good way of phrasing That's essentially what we do once we know everything No, no, no, no, no We already know einstein is wrong. We already know from quantum physics. He's wrong. We just haven't figured out how Which is down to that lego limit of how far can we go? It's down to the heisenberg Darn it. No, no, we need it I wonder if you could go to plonk lengths with it. Like can we go that deep in its detection abilities? So, but I don't know this isn't I will just throw this out there Which is that gravitational wave astronomy is not my area of expertise Just want to throw that out there gravitational wave astronomy is still a growing and uh, how would I describe it? infant science as well Simply because even in the 90s people were thinking can we actually do that can we actually detect gravitational waves? It really wasn't until the early odds that we said, okay I think we could start building these detectors to give a shot and then they ran lego for a very long time without any results And then finally they upgraded it to get it sensitive enough They thought it would be sensitive enough to detect it and during the first run They got several gravitational waves right out of the gate. So awesome stuff. I uh, I Yeah, I was actually ecca. I was just about to say something like that in the chat room there Which is I wonder what Einstein would do with access to today's data. So many many things So I I would love to see something like that actually happen Now what we are going to do we're going to thank all of you because this is the end of our show today So all of you who helped make the shows of tomorrow possible. 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