 Welcome to Episode 12 of the Toffy TV podcast. With me, Ped, Baz to the right of me, Andy to the left of me. Stuck in the middle of the area. There was a joke somewhere, I was just waiting for someone to pick it up. I tried. Well, that's good. Oh God, the positivity's actually coming out of this again. It feels low. I'm positive. It feels low. Like H&M, if I'm saying that. Like what? I don't even know where we're going. I don't. I don't. What? Yeah, nothing. Go on. Yeah, but positive. Positive. Okay. Pivot positive. This is a fantastic great start to the podcast. Well, you know, we've got the three snacks out of the cup to major plus, let's be honest. At the end of the day, if we were out, you know, we'd be smashing the mics on the bottom. You probably wouldn't like me, but we'd be kicking off. I don't know, the red men bought them. Even though the performance wasn't great, you're still happy that we're through at the end of the day. Because you can imagine the absolute hellfire storm that would be on Twitter in general if we were out. Like the way I'd be doing them. Do you think the same people who kick off are the same people who say I'd rather be loose and he gets sacked? I've not seen anyone say that I don't want us to lose. And maybe I missed them and I don't follow these people, but I can't believe that anyone would ever want to lose. They're normally retweeted onto my feed rather than actually beating people I follow. Right. But there aren't really any fans who want to still lose. It's like when you go, I want to still lose you in Slip Bill. Don't be wrong, it's a favourable result if you don't lose it in Slip Bill. So you lose it in Man City. It's a favourable result if they win the league and all that, but didn't they need them to win? If it was to see the difference between getting us getting fourth and Liverpool winning the title, I'd say. But then there's folks and people who feel like that will be ones that have made the mind up that. Particularly at the moment, that's how Michael Silver's not the right man. They want him out of the club as quickly as they can and we can move on. Because people have that. People have that. Don't be where they go. For them, I would say it's inevitable. It's probably going to happen anyway. Just ride with it. Well, we'll talk more about that in part too. Let's keep our part there dry on that one. Spirit's up. Spirit's up. Oh, nearly there. Yeah, nearly there. Nearly time for Christmas to go. Nearly die hard time, isn't it? Well, yeah. Well, it will be October, November as long as it's not around Christmas because it's in the Christmas film. I mean, there you go. Literally Christmas film. Literally not a Christmas film. Christmas Eve. Jingle all the way is about Christmas. That's about Alice Waltz, like a percentage of the American. It's on again. Doesn't leave a 10% of the American in every film. If you notice there's accents, it's now getting more and more Austrian. Yeah, it's going back. It's weird. It's riveting. It's had enough. I think it's going to say it might be something to do with something else, but... Yeah. Yeah, nearly time for die hard. Anyway, yeah, two games this week. Obviously, start with Saturday, Brighton, Hull, Alvin and that thing that happened down there. Va. It's not just va though, is it? It's just... The lack of belief of the players. They can see how it's a result ever. Yeah, it's another one. That's the tale of that game, is you go, yeah, va. We get no doubt about it. But then you think the players are just so wee. It's embarrassing. Are you talking about the team's mentality or John Pickford's wrist? Well, chuck that wrist more. I don't want to get into John Pickford because I've gone around. But you know. Get into a rant? I'm going to start a rant. It's coming to a time where we've had them three seasons now. It's just... Where's the... Well, three seasons. Where's the improvements in his decision-making and concentration levels? I know he's still relatively young for Hebrews 25 and 26, isn't he? But if he ever wants to be... If he ever wants to be well-classed or if we ever have hopes for him to be well-classed, if he ever wants to move, you know, I don't know if it's his ambition. If he wants to move to a perceived hot club, then he's not going to be so slow because at the moment, he's just got major flaws in this game now. Great shotstop there. Great reaction says, but just consistency. It's just not there. You know, you'll have five or six really good games for us and then you'll cost us three points and you just can't help it as a goalkeeper. Well, she was a great shotstopper for that free kick. Well, listen now, that's starting to happen now. Has he tended to Joe Hart because it's going on to the more? He's not getting there. It's weird, but yeah, that was just awful. Again, too many times you go, Pickford, is that awful goal? That sense you often had ever been forged, shouldn't you? It's frustrating because particularly the bright and golden, you know, he makes that hole in the wall so he can see the ball and then it goes past him, which was just so odd because he made a save in the Wofford game. It was a very similar shot and he got his hands behind it and said, oh, what he can do. It is that decision making on whether it's anticipation or whatever, but for me, he's a top keeper, but he's not going to be a top top keeper if he can't get any consistency in this game. That's the difference. You know, people go all, you know, Liverpool's Sansaar has put the point, but he's better going on than you live, of course, but the Sansaar mingler, because he's making 20 saves because there's facing 40 shots a game. But when you're only facing quality shots, it's a big side because they don't let that many through. Concentration levels need to be peaked. And that's the problem with Pickford. His concentration levels aren't peaked with. You know, Alison is not as spectacular as Pickford in any simple way she'll perform. He's concentrating constantly. He does make mistakes, of course, but that's the difference. Edison, not as flashy as Pickford in terms of saves, but his concentration is always there. He's always consistent. And that's just the... That's why they're into it. That's two keepers in the league and why Hugo Larissa is also like Pickford, who's just crazy, man. Yeah. That's a good point at it. No, that's a good point at it. It's a good point at it because I think we've seen early on in his everything career, we might have seen a couple of these and then you sort of let them go and, you know... He's a young keeper. Yeah, he's a young keeper. And then as it goes on, you sort of see a pattern in it out. Like it is the concentration. It is just completely switching off. It is just not paying attention to what's going on or thinking, oh, I've got this dealt with where other goalkeepers, like you just said, might not say, well, on is good because they're clearly better because they might be able to make safe Jordan's Pickford can make, but they're in the right position. They can always make... I think they probably put themselves in the best positions. I think Edison and Allison put themselves in the positions to make good saves look easier because they're in the right position. Pepe Ray was famous for it. You could never say Pepe Ray, it was flashy goalkeepers, but he was just in the right place at the right time all the time. And he was a smaller keeper. He wasn't that tall. I expect more from Pickford. The weather going to be your top 16 when you eat at a top goal. I think the south of it as well is building a presence about yourself where you're feared as a goalkeeper, like someone fears they can't beat you because you always seem to be in the right place at the right time and you're right about the top two keepers in the Premier League. You feel like they don't have that many mistakes in them because they just get things right and Jordan Pickford sadly is... I think it's one of those things that other fans of other clubs sort of have been seeing that for a while or maybe you've been picking up on a couple of mistakes, but when you look through blue tinted glasses, you don't always see that, but to me recently it's becoming more and more evident of his mistakes he's making. I don't want to dig him out, but he's not one of the... I wouldn't call him a weak link in the sack because he's saying that. He's saying not to blame for whatever and that, but it's a very important position. We've had our defensive issues over the last couple of years unless the defence is really confident in its goal in making those decisions. Sometimes for them, it causes that doubt, doesn't it, that doubt and causes mistakes and we've seen that a couple of times the last couple of years. The Zoom has picked the thing last season against Spurs, which was just a nightmare, but that's as a result of them being unsure of the confidence in the goal he'd be getting in or of the different centre back, that's the issue, but that's just one part of Saturday. Obviously we could go back into the game, didn't we, but then all that had happened. That's it, isn't it? We get back in the lead, we get back in the game, we start playing the better football, we take the lead and 15 minutes to go, you're just thinking, right. See the game out? Get a bit of game management in there, see the game out, don't do nothing stupid and of course the VAR situation is... It's atrocious. It's something brought up though, it's really like that, Arsenal one is all over everywhere because camp chambers is there, but they have it once because David Geiger said it was a pair, whatever. That's damn it, whatever. And the Charlesons wasn't he said? That was pathetic as well. It was nonsense, so... You can't, you can't, that's a whole, obviously, long conversation, but as I said in Twitter, there's enough money in the Premier League, go and get the best referees in the world. I just think there's... it's the most money in the world in the league, I'm not accusing anyone. It's right for bribery, let's be honest, it's the biggest money league in the world. It's right for... decisions which just don't make sense at all in any way. If you look at Lee Mason's record against Everton. See, yeah, that was the thing, isn't it? He's given nine penalties against Everton, which of course, Everton won. And Saturday he'd done it from a business park in Milton Keynes or whatever it was. And you can just... Do you know what? It's like the Nass thing, which has never, ever cropped up again, by the way. That's real well to win though. Everton always get done with these things. I remember someone saying that, someone submitted that. And Johnson couldn't get a pen. Last time he was hacked down on the box, so I'm not going to submit the past to the FA. Everton probably should do that again, because you're not going to get fair decisions unless you put... That's what Feggs was going to say. Before the games, he put pressure on referees and he gave decisions for Man United. They need to be one of those teams. The referees fear giving pens against or fear not giving pens against. How come Palace get pens every week? It's a little... It's a hard thing. He gets kicked every week. I remember that. You showed the socialism. He throws himself to the floor. I remember never self-all getting done for holding the ball for six seconds. I was still on the forest and he scored on the wonder game. So, I mean, whoever ever ever seen a goal he getting done for six seconds. He brought in the seven seconds and no one ever got done for it. He was just running around the box. Do it wrong. It's a hard... We could only be on the hard look story there. But at the end of the day, the draw was still late to be had. People could say basically drained us because we got robbed, but he's still going to see games. I said the other day, it's again, it comes back to that thing of in isolation, that Brighton game. You'd lick your booms and go one of them days. We were robbed this, that and the other. But it's being that story too often. We've lost four away games on the run. We haven't played any more. And that's the bigger picture. You know, you go two-two. It was a shocking decision by the referee because, like you said, if you give that penalty, you had to give the ritual or something. You had to. It was the same decision. So, you didn't give it. You give Brighton a pen. But I haven't got to be better than that. Penalty. It's completely down to me. I've loved the opposition. This season, apart from the West Ham game, where we can score enough, but we've blew them out the walls in the way we played. They couldn't get a win in the game. The rest of the time, I can't remember where we haven't basically either just tried to control the game. We haven't threatened, or we've let teams have their own look. The Cup games Lincoln scored two against us. Sheffi Wins had a lot of chances with him when he played well last night. First half was dreadful. It's not like seeing Leicester on Friday night to win 9-0. It's not just a pure culture thing. Culture and confidence in what you're trying to do. I think when you're saying you're getting dragged down, it's because you're too worried. They seem worried too much about conceding goals and losing the game. That's a major problem. It's like the West Ham game we were out from the start with a bit of papers to win the game. It's West Ham, we always beat them. It's like the same way that under mwys, we used to go after Man City because we didn't fear them. Where is everyone else? We just sat back. When they came to Cuddes, we never treated them like they were a big club. We never gave them any respect. That's why we beat them with West Ham. Silver Nose put any of their players under pressure in the fold. That's what happened last year we played them. This year we played them. We're not seeing any... Maybe we'll have a great run against the top six again in December. Who knows? They're going to be open at the end. We're better against open teams. That's a fact. Particularly at Cuddeson. We're all right again. I don't fear any of them at Cuddeson. No matter who's in charge. I just think for us, there's an intensity level thing for me with Everton. On Saturday we didn't have any intensity and if we would have had intensity, we'd have beat Brighton because let's be honest that you've got hipsters on Twitter trying to tell you that Brighton of this great football team. Hello. I said to you last week about Brighton. I've seen them all season. The bang average. Bang average. It doesn't matter if you get them playing Rondo's all over the pitch. Ultimately they haven't got any good players. In the day as well, a transition from a low block team. It's... You can't see that they've finished asking to buy miles because they're not going to be on the game box. So I think the price came probably a bit early because it could be by the end of the season. It could be in trouble because they've got to be one of those teams. They haven't got enough good players. Brighton. They've got work and play. Which is fine by the way. Which is fine. I'm not thinking. I'm just saying. It made me laugh last week when people were going one in particular where Everton could get done six or seven by the... Do you thought that you're an embarrassment? Brighton's the only one who can get done six or seven. But by the same token is that they stuck to what they were doing. But Everton allowed the game to be played slowly. You know what? It looked to me exactly like a carbon copy of the game we played at Christmas down there when we lost last year. There was very low quality from both teams. I include us in this because until the second half the first half we were poor. Second half for that half an hour after half time we were the better side but we still didn't really create anything. I don't know at all. I think one of the reasons why we do that is because we get into games on the slow and then we almost try and quicken up too fast then it was just giving the ball away. Instead of building the tempo gradually people get the feel of the ball in the first five, ten minutes. Everyone getting comfortable on the ball in the first five minutes getting used to the conditions. And this is what we've done a lot over the last two, three seasons is we try and rush everything so we're trying to play perfect passes and they're getting overheat. They're not realising the pitch is a little bit slippy so it's going to skid off it. Instead of just getting into the game settling into it for five, ten, fifteen minutes and then doing all the basic things you should do in a game of football just getting to know your opponent a little bit what have the father got on me today what have I got on him susing it all out doing all the basics right and then building from that and we do that all the time you're writing I think in this game I think something clicked in the second half when it was 1-1 we were like we can win this we're on top of it we're passing the ball we're moving it we're getting into a nice series of the pitch these are not really doing anything they didn't create anything you know you made a couple of changes obviously you made the couple of subs after they brought six which I thought was a math decision I just thought it was a math decision I said that it's a default thing this is what I was going to say we probably won't get beat six or seven ways because I think he's scared to lose the way and we play like it we play to control the way where there's a home it can be sometimes not on the full force but there's no free if that's the case why have we got all of Ironman's field on the edge of their box in the last minute then why aren't we protecting ourselves if he wants it if he wants it I think that's the disconnect and this is another thing I picked up why have we now got back to basics when you're in trouble managers always say scrap everything get back to basics get the basics work and then build on that the future seems to be building on the house of cards that we're building on that we're going now and some games it works and most games it doesn't especially when teams sit back against us first off like we'll get this last night but they did that first off and we should have struggled with it again it's weird because quite clearly Evan got the ability in the side he plays with a lot of talent in there but I don't know whether it's clearing structure from him to slow the game down to try to quiet maybe to try to quiet in the crowd I just think we're at our best when we play with intensity and pace and that's when we worry teams when we're slow and pass it round we make it very easy for teams they know what's going to happen yeah there's two ways of playing with Evan it's like you say that fast pace we saw against West Down and then there's that that style with I think teams just know that they can deal with it and we get some time to go we do but this is where I don't understand why you would have a sigist on the pitch because when I'm always on the pitch in the middle of the park you know something's going to happen it doesn't always come off but you know there's going to be a little bit of intensity you can see seeing his own body language he's always on the move where sigist isn't very very right-side pocket but he just stands around doesn't he and it's you've seen that on the map I couldn't believe you but I just couldn't believe why you would bring sigist when he's got when you think well he's playing there let's just move let's just move a charleson to the left and put a striker on to the mid the shape's exactly going to be as it is you've trained for that all week and then you bring a sigist it's not only slows everything down and then the second the second and third subs yes one's positive but then the other one is you're taking a right a right-sided midfielder off who's pushing them back and then they end up scoring and by coming down on the right-hand side there's no it's not a coincidence that to me that they've done that I've called as good game imagines in the question of Lauren and people go all you know the subswake has done score okay but it's the I think sometimes the subs can bring them mentality into the picture if you make the right subs it pushes you on or if you make the wrong subs it opens you up and like you said that right-hand side as soon as you make that sub that's when we but I don't think anyone was questioning them coming on no no no it's one one right or that's fine so anyone saying to you well the subswake the done score well yeah but the delf sub to me and I said it at the time and I said it now the delf sub didn't make any sense to me it was either take Gomez off he was shocking and put Delfon in that same position then that's fine because he's still leaving the Brighton were pegged back don't forget because Walcott pushed Dan Bairn back because he was worried about him so he wasn't coming out we had done and we had Richard Ellison but what he did was he took Theo off put Delfon pushed Sigarton over to the left and all of a sudden he started moving the whole team in that then Tom got pushed up into a false nine yeah and then I think this is my first comment it was mad I think a lot of his actions would do with comfort he's just I think he should not that he's done you know I've called him Clueless before but he's just seemed short of answers and he seems to either overthink things or not realise what he's doing I just think he feels under so much pressure that now he can't see the buff of the trees and he's not having that out there Joe Pedro who might have gone and gone and said stay calm well you've got that sound on the board don't you and I think I think Angol what do we make at the instructions that Tom and I call the loom for about five minutes even the commentators were going what can he possibly be saying to he was ready to come on the ref was going he coming on and he was going bow and mortar he was going one instruction go on and score but what happens I've got a camera in the stand taking pictures of the defence and saying getting these gaps but I'm alright with all that I went on for five minutes only five minutes because it's simple instructions look at them today get in the middle of them to where cost that air from what I did was he was basically showing them all the shops on the way home that had Orange 12 that's what it was that's fair enough Steve obviously steekel he was so stressed did he send it the route back to them? no we've told them we've got to keep the the orange trails under action Steve wrote a boxing Sean Tate in one of our patent sent us four as well very kind I remember anyone else out there wants to send us on so it knows the location of our instructions or any other confection just quietly DMS by and by I believe service stations are the place to get them though and you think I'll add it any kind of exactly I was thinking little drive up to the M62 you know just the one in Wellington see a swan service just to get an orange swill I mean come on boss you know what I listen the places I'm not being funny it's almost Christmas if you don't have different flavours kind of chocolate like Christmas when you have I watched that art then it's not Christmas I'm just waiting for that I want orange swill bayleys that's what I'm looking for you're melting pan you're melting I don't ever accuse me of that ever again he dipped you have a cake in coffee I mean that makes perfect sense coffee is a dessert drink it's a cake you don't dip cake into the drink do you get like a big gato and just stick it in the top there I'm not being funny come to ours come to ours maybe it does maybe it does maybe it does we've got a special special coffee dog over here it's my coffee going to the blade cake this is called a soggy black forest a walkman? exactly you don't want a soggy bottom listen to it Mr Beikof last night oh yeah no no what's the cheers the whole thing was true true when you look at that the sub's unbalanced us and then they break and get the winning in the 94th minute and again you know said they're on a fan of Ed Michael Keynes' position he runs towards Troshad I mean it was that easy for Brighton they were looking and they went everything now I've made 4 changes 3 changes 3 changes they've unbalanced the right hand side Troshad you just go and play on the left and that's why all of a sudden they've gone oh Brighton have got this live wire if everyone would have just doubled up on him that's normal he wouldn't have had the kick the kick he wasn't you know that's what it is if players just have some positional sense but that's the problem when you've got when you've got players on the pitch you're all playing so we've got 4 cent in my field it doesn't matter what job you ask them to do when you're in certain situations they will always go back to what their default is what they've been trying to do for years like what they've been doing for years and years and years they will all occupy the same spaces and they'll all turn around and go isn't someone supposed to be tracking the guy on the left hand side and they'll go I thought that was your job that was your job but I don't know exactly because they're all sent to my fielders they're not left me fielders right me fielders and they're not right backs or whatever I got the impression that they didn't know that they didn't train that system as an eventuality like you can see when people change systems during games you've trained for it when they had the form of fielders on I just thought that was good I mean he did in all fairness in all fairness we lost Bernard after 25 minutes with a free injury it's a big blow and that threw us out a little bit but again me and Pedd were saying like I don't know if it was might have been on a finer word instead of just putting Carl the loon up front and the charlatans is the left where he plays and ended up moving a Wobie back out to the wing it started to swing it started to swing but then he changed the whole thing the pilot in airplane so the dynamic of the team the dynamic of the team then changed didn't it and obviously show but anyway you know we can see the goal lit not them really look at the ink of Durbar if he'd left the Glenmore he'd have put it in at the back post because that's how I just didn't understand Michael Keane's movement in it he goes towards Troshard and then runs away from him if he carries on no but if he carries on running towards Troshard he's slowed the blade the blade on and we might have got bodies goals ahead he's absolutely terrible defending speed and you know why because he was so good defending in the lower block because he didn't have to do things like that and sometimes he's fine without the lower block and I think Silver's done quite well with him to a level where he's been alright in it but it's natural like you say with other players defaults I can't defend why because so we ran back towards our goals creating loads of space for Troshard and we lose the game and that even if we'd have got we said this even if we'd have got a point you'd have gone alright we've been robbed there by bar but we've got win last week we've got a point this week we move on next game and we don't we lose the game and you feel like and I know we're going to throw a bar at him in part two but you feel like because we're back to square one literally back to square one but this week I mean this week when we had Tuesday night against Wofford they were absolutely dreadful and what I would say this was almost like a flip on Tuesday night he started out with a formation that didn't really work got to halftime revered to back to something that did work that did have a shape it had the desired I wanted 4-2-3-1 no but it had the desired effect whether you will like it or not that's a race on side play it can change everything yeah and and it worked and it got us the win it got us and the hack got us into the quarterfinals and it chose sometimes just but like you were saying before don't overthink things because you haven't got time to make the preparation for Moise Keane to be on the right hand side just play him since four don't play with all I know you want to give him minutes I'm all for developing players at minutes but don't give him token minutes in a position he's not going to excel in play him on the right but play him high don't make it a 4-5-1 which is what it was it was a 4 but Charleston was 2-3 this is what I can play Charleston can play there he's not the best he's not as best they can play there because he's a winger but he's not getting the best out of them doing that so it's like a constant thing I don't understand the obsession of the 4-2-3-1 I think now that Sigarton is out the team you know we've lived the same future that we can also more natural 4-3-3 now you can shape them and field out of your life you can still have a woby slightly ahead of the tube but just deeper and you have to clean that up front a woby works that a woby doesn't play like Sigarton this is the difference look at it he's putting tackles in on the edge of our box and things like that but you don't really see it it's exactly what he is people go on about Sigarton Gilffy Sigarton's got loads of fantastic technique he really, as he strikes your ball lovely he can get you the goal from nowhere but he's not involved in the game end of story 15 switches he had at the weekend 15 switches that's because he was at Swansea and that's why he excelled at Swansea because he's not expecting to be on the ball all game and he can have those little pockets where he gets in flashes and scores a wonderful 30 yarder he's got wonderful technique let's be honest with you but when you need a team to break someone down you need to be on the ball what he wouldn't have done is he wouldn't have battled through that couple of players that led to the first goal he wouldn't have battled he wouldn't have got through those players put a ball in that obviously got kept alive he was well defended got kept alive by Wolcott putting and all gates got to score the first goal that's the difference though isn't it I'm just saying whether you think a world which is good or is creative it's things like that that get you opportunities it's creating opportunities through hard work so this year by subtraction there was maybe taking goals of the team but you basically changed them but are you taking goals of the team now? no, overall you probably are he's got three at the moment three or three at the moment the big point is though he's in one actual goal score guilty but what you're adding now is that creativity and movement and it's making other players better going back to Moise Keane just very quickly though if Richard Allison plays it half decent ball he's got a tapping and it's 1-0 no one's saying oh he's terrible no one's saying what a good goal you know Richard Allison down the left hand side pulled back and he's got a tapping because it was such a bad ball by Richard Allison it never gets in Moise Keane and there was another one after that I think that he got the ball and really he should just get it out of his feet and strike it but he's had to take people on a couple of times and I think after problem was not necessarily where he was playing it was just that he's signed too hard because opportunities are so limited that what happens is when you wherever level if you're trying to get in the team you're trying to prove you know what when I was playing and whatever level for whatever team if you're not in the team you get on and you're trying to shot especially if you're trying to make an impression you're trying to show everyone that you're a good player so he's doing step-overs and stuff that he doesn't need to do instead of just being simple and knocking off, get it back the one where he run he breaks, he broke quickly and he's doing all this get your shot away a bit earlier he hesitated then he hits it and he gets blocked but you're thinking if he had just got it out of his feet he'd have had a bit more space to work in and there was one that a woby almost got him in and he'd have been in on the keeping he got the last, like the last ditch challenge cleared it but I'd like to see him with a woby going so I think that a woby is slipping in I think that's, I think when you're playing to Sigerson there and people go, oh he's playing here this was a chef he played against let's be honest to you Gil Fee does put a couple of good balls in it every so often but he wants to cross it I think one of our big problems is I'm sort of starting to see I'm starting to see the pattern that we had last year where we started with one team and by the end of the season we ended up with a different manager no we started didn't last year no but we started because it's like Paul McCartney isn't it an apple silver apple silver we started with one team last season don't forget first aid season at Wolves and by the end of the season it was completely different I feel like it's going to be the same this season I feel like the likes of Sigerson are going to go up the side and Coleman's going to go up the side and Michael Keane's going to go up the side and by the side it's going to be I mean let's hope it improves the side but those things could have a big effect on the likes of Moise Keane and hopefully that's the case because do you know what the story's not really about Moise Keane people going to Sandro and all that nonsense come on if anyone watched him if you can go and watch him for your ventis he was confident he was playing with Ronaldo up front and people go well that's the quality he needs to play which we could he was great for them in the league but anyway he needs to be given time but it's not going to help him to stop, start, develop that's why I'm glad Andy Gordon's not on the team I know he's put stuff on Instagram there I'm glad he's not near the team because I can imagine the exact same with Tom Tom one game last season he's playing a couple of games he'll be in the stand for the next three games that is not how you develop players I was surprised Tom wasn't in the team last night to be honest I just I just think that I know the manager is probably thinking yeah but it's a good opportunity to give this player but I just think people like Tom he's the one player so he needs to play it doesn't matter what tournament it is or if it's we play Saturday and we're playing Tuesday I think he's the kind of player he's just put me in that team did you measure the P performance he didn't play for a while he's played three or four games on a bounce he might play Sunday against Spare and that might be what the that's going to be the biggest test for Tom because they're a very physical style which is what people have accused him of not being able to play against you've got Undone Bellace and Soco big midfielders who control the game that's going to be a good test for Undone Bellace well with Charleston finished it off brilliantly in the last minutes a great finish to just put them out the misery and yeah we're into the we'll find out tomorrow who we get anyway coming up in part two we will be discussing what the state of play of everything coming up very very soon yeah welcome back to part two of the toffee tv podcast headbars and Andy so and come on what are we talking about here then what's going on what do you want to get off of your chest I hold it this is I don't want to go like too too long because we could be gone for hours on this but you just probably got your own opinions is everything on the pitch and everything off the pitch and everything in the stands if you get what I mean none of it connects there's a disconnect the fans have an idea of what we're supposed to be doing and the fans want certain things the Marcell brands is building something else and I think it's much a slower process than the fans want but the club don't communicate that to the fans and then the club don't help itself off the pitch because they don't do media very well and then they don't do commercial very it's just all a mismatch and it what do you think they do well spell Evan the charity way well the charity way is fantastic that really is just a sidearm it's not to do with really Evan football club it's got the name and obviously we do fund it we're having a book the football matters really that's that the best clubs come from the top down you see it when there's dysfunction or there's no clear message from the top and there's no you don't know where can sink as departments then there's just no fluency and before Marcell brands got here then you would say but even now Marcell brands I still don't feel that he's got his full control of the club yet and I don't know why that is I still feel that the academy still got a lot of work to be done on it I still feel that the decisions I think you'll hopefully get to choose his own manager eventually and whatever that is where he is allowed to his machine is obviously very hand-zombed and this is where it needs to flow brands is going to be the head of football and all the football decision needs to be made by either brands' image if he's the right man if people team him the right man or not and then off the pitch we need someone to be to run off the pitch thing that separates the brands like if I was in Manchester United then it would be great off the pitch but when it's to do with on pitch matters he should have nothing to do with it and Evan needs to think that way as well it's difficult sometimes to quantify what brands he's doing because I think he said himself it's going to take a long time and we can't just be people saying well it's about the plays you've got on the pitch at the moment because sometimes you can get the best 11 plays they don't always fit together but it's his job to try and do that but it's definitely the other side at the moment and these things always rear the heads when you're not doing so well but there does seem to just be a lack of leadership when there's so many people of teams that are in charge at the club which I can't fully understand you've obviously got the owner you've got the chairman, you've got the CEO then you've got brands and I struggle to I struggle to see where what the identity of the club is and what the messages of the club because none of those people are talking and the only time you hear people talking about Evan from Evan is about to say Who's the face of the club? I don't know I don't know He'll do all of me to you you'll never see Michael Edwards you'll never see John Henry unless it's a special interview you'll never see Peter Moore unless it's your business Mark O Silver we've not really done well with him we've discussed that before Bill Kerr might sometimes but he disappears in and out he's not really any more far harder games a lot but you never see interviews with him Denise unless it's charity I don't really see her doing interviews about the club so yeah brands obviously I don't think he wants to be in front of the cameras every single week because that's not his role I guess Isn't that the point bars that someone needs to be like a leader at the top like there needs to be I'm not saying that you know daily updates a daily bulletin on what's going on but don't you need someone who is the de facto leader of the football club because I just struggle to see who that is I don't think there's any message from the club I don't we think we know where we want to go because that's what we're interpreting I think at times Denise has said we want to get in the Champions League or Mishiri said it but is that really played out in the way the club's acting I don't know the brands thing I just find bizarre is that we don't shove them in front of a camera things have been pretty poor at times this season still is league wise where's this message where's this thing of trying to calm everyone where's this we believe in the manager does he believe in the manager the longer you leave it the more people don't believe that that's how we interpret it if he thinks Marco Silva is the right man for the job why isn't he sat behind a camera going yeah this isn't very good at the moment but we're having meetings all the time we're looking at how we can improve Marco's told me this this is the reason why John Philip Gabbam on this ball for this it's not where because he's injured there's been nothing now okay he might not feel like he has to do that but there's no message coming anyway do everything want to be in the Champions League we do as fans because that represents progress, money, business opportunity where do everything want to be in the business world where's where are these new partners where are these multi million pound contract signed with partners where's the I remember John Blaine saying it ages ago and he's right they need a chief engagement officer at the club now Denise isn't going to do it for whatever reason it might be better there isn't Denise if she's the CEO they need someone who is the the fact of voice as you said to discuss many different aspects of the club someone you go to when there's stadium news or there isn't any someone who deals with that we know that when things are left people feel the void it's happening with the stadium and it'll happen all the way to 11 o'p plan permission it you had Ian Ross last week all the week before that's never going to happen and it just allows particularly Reds for some people naysay is to have something to feed off which then creates a negative aspect the market silver stuff isn't it staying this man is just waiting in the wings David Moses but no one deals with it it gets left okay you're not going to come out all the time and go he's safe and he's because it's that they are vote of confidence but it just doesn't this is my real big like is the appetite there to be a champion so they could because it costs money to be a champion so they could have the best will we see that city last week or as a Premier League status like a lot of other clubs all we want to be one on one path just because we've got that revenue and it makes us a valuable club to potential buyers once that stadium's up machine I'm sure is an ambitious man but I've always thought and always saw it as he bought the club because he saw an opportunity to double his money eventually because that's stadium and he will and if you look at all the other clubs that were bought before ever and we used to have constant conversations about sundown they had a new stadium Westam had a new stadium to look forward to all these clubs that stayed there was evident and didn't and no one would take the chance on it and so machine decided there's probably a lot of money to be made getting the stadium up and selling ever and I think that's what he's going to do but is the appetite there to be a Champions League club what I was going to say there was going back to your point pass and some some positive news gets spun or you know when you see Bill Cairnright with like Bernard on that Brazilian TV footage and they're like oh he comes out but he goes missing they're giving the club far too much credit far too much credit if they think that they've got that much now because they haven't got the now to cover bad stuff up with good stories there's a lot of coincidental stuff that goes on but did it paste text to the players that's a small way that's nonsense though that's just like little tiny bits when they go when they say like oh suddenly there's an update on the stadium when we're playing crap that would have been there anyway that would have been there anyway that stuff that that stuff that they poured out anyway because like it coincided with like the end of the second consultation or whatever the club aren't that good to put stuff out to cover stuff up they really aren't I've got experience of the last 10 years of of having to sort of weave my way through the Everton media where and it baffles me one of the big issues I have with Everton is that to keep on appointing from within so it doesn't bring any fresh any fresh ideas it brings people in who probably think they've got loads of ideas but actually they're just rehashing the ideas of people that have already been at the club and when people come from outside the club they bring in fresh new ideas that people haven't already thought of and they don't get caught in the same traps that the people at the club are already in so nothing ever moves on if you keep on appointing from within you're just rewarding what are you rewarding the failure of others as far as I'm concerned you've got to go out and find the best people out there to fill it's a billion, billion pound industry billion pound industry and Everton is still for me running it like it's a corner shop they really are you go to one field and I know it's a different kind of fish but it's a stadium that's always open it's a stadium that's always got tours on it's a stadium that's always got people it's got a club shop that it's like is that a warehouse it's absolutely huge and it's full of gear they're not having it just on a call case because they're trying to get out of one big deal to get into another big deal and it's like we can sit here now and none of us know whether we're going to have an unbrow kit next year or not we don't we sign a contract multi-year we don't know whether it's going to be unbrow there's rumours of other companies they haven't just seen to do things on such a small scale and they don't they don't want to really raise the net above there just in case just in case it's wrong it's so annoying because these are the same things that I was moaning about six, seven years ago on my podcast the same things I was moaning about it's always the same little things and it's so frustrating and it's on every level at the club still and now they might have oh yeah but we've got a department for this and we've got a department for that but everything seems to get micromanaged right down and yeah it doesn't seem to go anyway and that seems to be evident in a nutshell for me it's they come out with all what they're going to do they're going to do this and they're going to do that and then when it's time to actually follow through with it they never do it we haven't got enough market leaders and when you go and get someone who's leading up their industry and doing well in their industry they bring not only fresh ideas and not only experience of doing a job they bring a black book with them people who they've dealt with where's that? with your eye work they're having for 11 years and all's I would say is that it's tripled in size of staff but I wouldn't say it doesn't appear to be run better than what it was I was there when I had had three people doing it now it's got about 40 people doing it and things like that there's loads of head ups at the club and things like that but I'm not seeing any evidence that we're dealing in different levels now it's difficult don't get me wrong it's difficult to compare us to Liverpool because Liverpool are a global brand but what we can do is follow their model on a smaller scale surely because at the minute like you say there's question marks for whether umbrau are making our kit we've had other companies are making our kit other companies are making our kit and that'll come because Fanatics will basically make the kit and it'll just have a bramper on it there's other things going on there's sponsors dropping out but then they're replaced by other sponsors and they're just for a year why aren't we getting bigger and bigger deals not just that there's just so many little things there's communication problems like the originals and stuff that hasn't been followed through that hasn't been followed through as well as what we hoped the club has their album but it needed to be a bit more it's fine to leave a legacy and we don't even say that they want to leave a legacy before we leave because the lady's going to be gone in a couple of years so you've got to leave a legacy but this is the point these startings and they never followed them through I think that's my big problem with it very much so that's 25 years ago and we didn't do that at all they start things and they just never followed them through we went to the Fanatic launch that must have been a year ago and we were told at the Fanatic launch oh you know what something could happen on a Saturday and by the Monday we could have a t-shirt out for it I think they've launched about four t-shirts in that time and they're all awful they're gaily being outed it's shocking I don't even get me started on that side of things the darkest club shop in the world it's like they turned all the lights off it's a club in it it's a club in it that's what it's like I don't think it is I don't realise it's there because that's what it feels like I've said this before no one can see don't keep walking they won't come in and bother us anyway but it's that stuff though it's booming, it's bouncing, it's dead light it's dead airy that's what the club is like you went out to the club right now the ticker's office would be open the club shop is open but you could walk around that entire ground and you wouldn't feel like there was anybody in that stadium you go to Hanfield you go to Hanfield and there's people outside all the time we have moved the business to the live no, I appreciate that I appreciate that but what I'm saying is it's not about being a business it's about the place feeling alive therefore it feels welcoming and there are many times you've heard stories and I know they do do tours but there are many times I've heard stories of people going up there and it's like oh you know what I come all the way from America and I got there and Frank's this dead kind steward he let me have a look around and I know that's a business opportunity that should be if there isn't a demand I know what you're saying create a demand, create a tour they've got all kinds of mad virtual reality stuff and everything and I know it would not with chalk and cheese I appreciate that but why don't you have a little look and say what are they doing that we could be doing and it's all right they're still renovating parts of the ground and doing different things they're just on the loungers why isn't one of those loungers open on a normal day and you're welcoming people and going this is going to be open all day come and have your dinner here come up to Everett and have a little look get on a tour if there's one and come and have something to eat here and I've been saying these things to a member of staff it's having day will say it's called a business no but if there's no demand do you know what though we're willing to spend £20 million to get Markersilver on a Wafford I'll just leave that there he didn't know what he paid for do you know what though that's the club that I'm saying defending them, I'm just saying that's probably how they'll look at it and go well say like three people coming so then what's the point then what's the point and go to Newgarn then no one know no one know that but you're forever waiting for something then are you they've built the land just they've said we're building the land just to show what we can do with the new ground that brilliant so do me for everything you've just opened up a load of new space at the ground by getting all the office workers out so create a better tour put somewhere in there that could be a restaurant open for a couple of hours a day to come and celebrate a tour or whatever and that's where you finish your tour and you know that's the way big clubs do these things it's not like we haven't got any trophies to show people as well you know I don't have people like you I don't have them I'm a 183 years old I'm a successful club in the history of England there's a history there to be told it's a lot of things and it's a lot of things it's a lot of things and it's a lot of things and it's a lot of things and it's a lot of things it's a lot of things and it's a lot of things it's like this is our problem we are and I feel like this is our problem that we're embarrassed by ourselves we don't want to look back but I think it's like a bit like we're shut off as well whatever it is and the club is closed in stores to the fans in the meeting in a lot of ways and basically saying people get access where's the other pool you know the lads next door get access to the playing club as if we'd ever or you'd ever sorry get access to markers of another maybe that'll change hopefully some people do get access it's the same people get the same access all the time it's the same all the time it didn't even do a press conference this week for the league cup if a pool got their assistant manager out and let him do it all it's all these little things that it's like do we not have to do media for that don't do media for it no cos the fans went away no no don't talk to the fans there's just things that we just there's loads of simple wins and I'm not saying my whole service to who's with me is our 10 point plan I just want to say if you said we're building this year we're hoping for you up and rolling we're still going to take time everyone will go alright that's not good enough but whatever he's saying that at least there's a plan in place people will understand but then it's just nothing it's just the everything to pay see that we're sitting forever this is actually I've been saying this for years ever and ever cos we live fans in our dev years there's no plan now there is a plan it seems and I think you know fans have been brought in for people someone actually said in the comments to the day there cos he's never played top level football he doesn't understand tactics he did play top level football now but whatever at the end of the day we need to every fans need to buy into his plan do you know what I feel like do I honestly feel like with the whole club I feel like the club is 20 years behind the top club so it's decided it's not going to bother well they've put 10 years behind and it's not caught up now cos they changed it they've changed the Boston Red Sox as well and they've modernised them we need that same modernisation but it's basically what they've done is they've gone right but when we get that new stadium that's going to bring that's going to bring us in line with everyone no you're right you've decided like we're going to bring everything in line once that stadium comes in and you're like well I'm gone there's going to be four years till we get that stadium what happens in the in between so I don't worry about that well in those four years all we're going to do is continue to fall off and do you know as we fall off we're going to lose fans we're going to lose fans the people that you're supposed to add every year are not going to follow it's a dancing lads club and you're not going to get those lads because there's other options out there the 90s when I grew up because the reputation it's just a little bit club now kids every league in the bar slower kids are more prevalent than ever kids around the world I see kids every day in bars for them now with their tops but never you stop now with your own PSG well that's because they've got the Jordan brand thing that's a great link up and I fully understand that kind of thing we can't attract that kind of I'm not asking for that what I'm looking for is the club to work with what it's got make the best of what it's got so what it's got is a passionate fan base that want to hear from me and it's got different outlets of media whether it be people like us whether it be the other podcast or the channels whatever instead of going through the same people all the time trying to get your message out to the people it matters to and then spread it from there where it's for far too long they've either jumped over and gone well just ring Jim White or we won't spread the message at all and it just doesn't make any sense it's like it's like they've got access to YouTube and all that they can't even get a stream going it's a massive club they can't even get a stream going I just wonder if you miss Sherry and you're looking at it what level are you looking at so you've come in and you're putting this money in why wouldn't you want it to be the very best it's paled Sasha and I don't know what he's like I've never seen him I know people have interviewed business masses apart from that again I wouldn't know I don't know where he's from a sports room oh ye a sports room in Switzerland as well it's all very nice but what does he do is he now running the day-to-day operations of the club or is he running them he's the financial director he's the financial director see we don't even know where he is there was a clear distinction splitting them roles into these just was the person who did the local stuff and he was going to the businesses let's be everything I don't know but then it's like a list of 40 clubs sign these deals we've got two energy drink partners it's always the energy it's rebel when you need you've talked to one of them but I think the whole club has to buy into an ethos of success and ambition on and off the pitch this is quickly on it's forever to be successful the academy needs to be one of the biggest things at the club wherever people say about it that we don't produce enough good players that's because the pathway is crap but I saw brands need to get old with that academy and saw it out because otherwise it's going to step away from us and we're going to lose really good players next summer when I say what just around this off I'd say what would be dead interesting now to the end of the season because over the weekend it was that Premier League breakfast in America wasn't it for NBC and it was a lot of Tim Howard was obviously there it was a lot of effort and focus because Howard was there loads of effort and fans they were on live and they had this little girl and she had a kitten and they were holding on it was very evident sense because Howard was there because obviously he's a big American hero loads of blues watching the match a lot of focus Darren Griffiths was over there so you know it was important doing a show doing a show in one of the pubs as well big Q&A with Tim Howard and let's see what they do with that are they going to drive that forward now are they going to push that and say you know what but are they going to go over going to a menach in the summer we've got Tim Howard, we've got an ambassador we've got this big ankle they've got this new effort in the USA brand they've created their own one are they going to follow that through now are they going to push that forward are they going to go to the States you know what I mean are they going to use the States you can drop us off at the airport the point being is this is now a thing that they can go we're going to push this through now we've got one of the biggest names in American soccer and we can drive through this and that will be a big test of what, of Everton of Everton actually starting something and actually pushing through I think that's the way Everton worked he just go on someone goes in the room do you want me to come to that cos I'm on Aldi that week leave it Tim Howard and people being on Aldi anyway let's move on coming up in part 3 we will discuss probably very very quickly the gaming of spares on Sunday welcome back to the final part of the toffee tv podcast Paired Bars Andy the Piv Aldi Tottenham 430 Sunday the crypt and I'm coming honestly the spares are the one team I always worry about cos I just think Everton at last 5 or 6 years since Pochettino really was before that really much really but it's really like really evidence as well when you watch the games but they're not going great for me every once in a while well that should be easy someone roll up the picture that fella I always think the problem with those in Tottenham is when we played them I always think they've got a mental toughness that we haven't got it hasn't been that evident recently but I always think they just have a feeling us about them that we just don't have and they can get through games and they can I remember a couple of years ago when we got to be banned 3-0 and they were doing nothing and Harry Kane killed a crossing and it went to the corner and they just went we just felt a bit and they just went on and back to the 3-0 and it's that kind of thing but it's like when you've got the likes of Kane in form or on Ericsson or whoever's in form at the time you know you know that we can huff and puff but they only need that one moment last season 1-0 then we looked like a perfect gold this or that they come down the other end, mix up between Truman and Pickford and then we end up getting back to 6-2 destroyed at home it's a frenetic game that way it was end to end and then obviously Pickford and Zoom it was end at end it was a weird game we don't know like where Cucko Matty and it was just isolated completely by Spurs and just annihilated I think that was the game I had been I'm sure it was, was that a Tottenham's game or whatever anyway but yeah they're not playing well but I think they're still better they've still got enough quality to put us through they'll be the top put them on it put them on depression then they can fold but I think the problem with Evan at the moment in Marko because he's under pressure he's going to play with a bit of fear that's going to kill you against Spare but then again we don't play against other big sides but Spare is different again with him I mean it'll be interesting because like you said they played Liverpool this week it's alright for the first time they've made it 2-0 and then they just panicked and went back you know once they were doing his right and they say you're going to get less than 9pence in five games that was pathetic they're not strong mentally at the minute they've lost 18 games in 2019 or something is that the thing we've got to do then start the game fast and try and get in the lead and if we can try and get in the lead and suddenly they're under pressure they're not creeping and don't they because they're not coming back last season they were coming back and winning games because they didn't draw for the first 6-7 months and then they were winning games out of nothing and this season it's been saving themselves I can tell you Ali Golub was giving I shouldn't have been giving I don't know it's not more weird side you've got more than a time to be easily third in the league let's team and Chelsea you say that though but if you took Kane out the side would they be the same fear factor they're going to do great last season well never last season though I look at this season, I look at the goalkeeper now they've had to change it I look at the fullbacks, I think the centre backs they're not playing Ericsson I look at a team that's in transition and I just think that sometimes you can look back too far where as this season there's been loads of rumours about offfield problems and I'm sure it will come out in the Amazon documentary but they look fragile to me and that's why it's documentary that's the case that's what where it's at they'll be into something they look fragile but again it's always going into a gone or they haven't won since January so that means they're going to win where it's like, can we not just try and get a bit of steam for everything you're looking at it in going, in general we're quite good at it we had a good record against the top six last season like Spares, Batadus and City Beaters but the others we were fine we didn't lose against the other so coming into this we're not playing well but we've won our games at home they're not very good away we've had the last two home games we've had a clean sheeting they're all the kind of things you have to look at and take it positively and go look the crowd are four on a Sunday hopefully the streets end they'll have been better in so they'll be up for it like Petty said try and get in front get ahead against them and ask questions and then now last season they had the answers we capitulated if you remember the zoomer in Pickford Blom was nonsense, absolute nonsense we gave people time in the box to make it the second goal I think when three Pickford and the third one out of three kick that come back and carry knocked it in but they're not playing well and you can get at them but it's whatever team he puts out will it be quick enough in midfield and that's but they've got a goal I'm not trying to be sarcastic I'm trying to understand from Arthur's point of view I just think you've got to play defensive mind in the field against Tottenham I just think you do and that's not overthinking it or smart I just think he's got the but then that's fine so play Delph and Gomez I think you will do so they've got to be the two let it won't be shit off it you know playing through the middle and then goal with Charles and Calvallun and well cut and go a bit more direct he scored against them in fact he scored in both games against them last season didn't he home and away so I've well cut in the team cos he's playing well anyway he deserves to be there I won't be there to run at them and let Gomez and Delph I don't mind Gomez and Delph shitting a little bit deeper against these because it'll be a bit more and I think that Gomez can do well against these because they'll give them that little bit of space physically he can match up with them and then it's the key areas for me and add place of the ebby and now he'll expose us a bit and they might be able to get it then you've got to be able to cover then you've got a bit of cover so isn't that step on the surface of that show you do no no cos I haven't decided I haven't decided I'm just saying this is what he comes but you have what you have to do with that is you have to ask them questions I think if we go into it and sit back and go let's try not to lose they'll take us apart and ultimately by giving them so much respect we'll give them opportunities and like you said last week wasn't it in the Champions League they won 5-0 they got into an early lead then got a second then the team couldn't live with them cos they laid down we can't afford to do that and I don't think if there's anything at the moment that the fans want to see it is that heart, it is that belief it is that idea of being together getting me against Wofford in the first half that lack of driving that lack of perceived passion it does nothing more that gets here as a fan of when you're not doing well is not seeing the players do it way can hard and having a tempo about them and I think if we came out suddenly and we had the right go the result, they were a good side we know they were a good side but if the result goes against us they go they got the tactics right but they were just too good for us on the day last year we got beat 6-2 but it was horrendous we went out for a couple of drinks and you just thought they were the best team we've played this season and you know what stupidly what we did was we tried to hang in with them we probably should have gone full validation just shut up shop we should have just shot back then and gone and then we might get a second but that's been Malcolm Silver's story in England where he does lose a game 4 it goes to 5, it goes to 6 and I think it's just his way that's what I'm not going to get back on the manager but that's what I was wondering whether he would do that in setting games just get back to basics not have to be go as high try and just not lose a game so we admire that in him yes and no I'd like a match of sticks to his principles but 18-14 months on if they're the same principles that get you 4-0 wins against teams that have got married then that's fine but when you've just been ad-off by most of those teams it's not like you live by the sword you die by the sword it's just like we die by the sword every week no matter what the big thing the big thing about Sunday it's an opportunity for 3 points we're playing them at the time and they're probably at their most fragile that'd be 3-1 out of 4 well there you go but that's the no but what you have to look at is the opportunities there is over the last you just mentioned probably since Positino took over this is probably the most fragile like being coming to Goddus so there's an opportunity there for a victory everything to be taught them and move on to 13 points the way results will have felt they'd be a bit closer to the top half like you just said that'd be 3-1 on the run of Goddus we don't want a couple of 2 out of the last 3 league games we don't want, we go to Southampton who are bang average they're a bit at best feeling positive they'll have probably lost again at 60 at the weekend so we'd go there in a positive spin it's a big ass no matter how bad it is it's a big ass because we've got no level of consistency because coming up to that international break after the Southampton game that's when I think that's the time when if you are going to change your mind if you gear up to that and the space results will go performance maybe or the result will go some ways of deciding well hang on if we beat them we go above them we shouldn't be scared of them if we get beat performance shows signs that we're getting there then maybe you might last after the international break but it's probably a short time for me I'm in the boat and I've defended them as long as I can remember but I'm in the thing where we can't afford to lose Sunday in my opinion he cannot lose that game Sunday that's very difficult I don't even think they're that good at the moment no I don't but what should have been our sight against them at the weekend maybe I've just got memory a point of memories of recent years past where they just mawled us both I think we've beat them about three or four times a good lesson in the Premier League era there's been loads and loads of draws no but all that being said to me the fragile mentally at the moment obviously there's unrest behind the scene you can see that by watching them like you said I think they've lost 18 games in 2019 which is a hell of a lot it's a bit of a change isn't it it represents an opportunity to get above them beat them and get above them but the one thing he has to do for me is not lose the game if he loses the game he's in massive trouble I think well you're looking at it you're getting into all that cumin's house for you aren't you they've lost seven out of eleven games and the recruitment's not to blame this time that's to be honest that's my opinion it's not to blame it's not to blame that's my opinion I don't do predictions anymore we'll find out on Sunday it's an opportunity to win I'm not sitting here thinking we won't beat these if we play safe we can win you've got to dig in you've got to dig in and try and get something out of the game you've got to dig in and get something and do what get some passion set your team out eleven men versus eleven men they must well because the referees are clearly Martin Atkinson thirteen with the man in the box Martin Atkinson and you've got who's in the box it was a someone else it's Kalina Lee Mason did you see that there was a wind and David Gallagher are in the Milton Keynes business back five promises making the cups of tea five promises making the cups of tea there we go he's brown bread he's brown bread don't know he's not like that he's not like that you're just naming breath Clattenbeg chef winter is in the box on Sunday it's just his face on va because he loved that word he was boldy one week and had a full head of hair fair play there we go we've gone from spares to hair transplants spares to hair and you never know shank toes on my get the win shanky baby get that spray out I'm sure it's all real let's just leave it there let's finish there there you go thank you for listening to the podcast it'll be back next week hopefully with more positives out if you want a video version of this you can find it on Patreon should we leave them the cliffhanger what life against spares they won't be able to know that they won't be able to know that because they'll be listening before the game I think that's correct on that note let's go thanks for listening see you later