 Right Lou, I've got an idea for a video. I've briefly run it by in the car, but I think you're a bit I'm unsure. You're sure? I'm unsure. It is my theory, right? Let's hear me out on the theory The last two years, I've tried a lot of water classed as game improvement iron, stronger lofted irons A lot of you are Put out by them and I kind of get it to a degree. There's people, you know, a seven iron is effectively you're playing a five Iron because of the strength of the lofts and I understand all that My arguments has always been Most people will pick up on spin as being a big issue in that they generally drop off and I'm a low spinner with irons in particular My spin is very very low But in all the time I've played golf I've never had a problem of stopping a golf ball on a green Yeah, so there's been a contradiction What GC2 tells me I generally my seven iron five and a bit spin and then want to do out there on the course Like I said not an issue. So what I want to do is this right? Your spin around the six thousand mark with a seven iron. Yeah, so you do it properly. I Generally like I said, my spin is a little bit lower than that. I want to play some seven irons into greens I'm gonna use an M5 for this which is one of those maybe not quite game-improving, but a strong lofted iron. Yeah It's a few shots in hopefully with my spinning around that five and a half thousand number You hit some of your shots We're gonna be dependent on those it and a few decent shots like in it and some greens and let's see how they respond to the greens I mean just as I see how it works Right, so this position is it was 162 all the way back to the flag slight bit of breezing to us not a great deal Interest to see seven iron again for Lewis, right, that's right at the flag Winds died as well as nothing at the moment Well, that's pitched and stop give me some numbers Lou. What's it saying? 155 carry. Yeah, six nine spin right probably relative to you know, it was a bit spinny. Yeah That's a solid strike from Lewis there. That is right at the flag. That's going to carry along on the first ball That's almost pin I I would say 160 carry 165 165 carry exactly the same number spin. Yeah Yeah, six nine 40 and without going to the green then balls I would think we'll check out pitch mark shortly and hopefully we've picked them up on a camera. That's pretty much pitched and stopped Try one more. Oh three super strikes from Luke slightly I don't think that was as good as the middle one, but again right at the flag pitch back spin a little bit Yeah, so again spin 73 Carry one five five so okay Spins gonna Carry's gone down now what we need is we need the average golfer to hit them because my spin is generally more about 5,000 revs So if I can produce a couple of shots in it that same green, let's see how these get on I've got the N5 So it's slightly strong lofted And in theory the spin shouldn't be anywhere near the same a decent strike. It's five eight spin And one fifty three carry now the interesting thing for me is looking at ball. That's spun back So five eight spin Probably a thousand revs less than you in terms of spin different both like different descent I can't believe that mine of mine's basically dropped dropped and stopped Yeah, and yours is definitely pitched by mine and then I come backwards. It's been back didn't it? Yeah Right on the middle in terms of the strike and spin for me five eight That's a game improvement ish. I you know, I'd say the M5 One fifty eight carry and again pitched and stop on the spot. I would say yeah. Yeah, and and good carry good carry Don't forget. This is so a stronger lofted M5 from memory. I would say this is a 30 degree I'll check that out. I'll throw it down on the bottom now as I'm speaking The whole purpose of this video is to look at clubs like this which are strongly lofted and often Criticized I think for being strong or lofted people call this they should have a different number on the bottom The point is we're in two seven irons two completely different profiles in terms of the player two different spin numbers How much difference is it really having though when a ball lands on the green? At this point not a great deal. Let's try a few more I think if we can get some a little bit downwind and see what impact it has then In all honesty between the whatever many balls we hit what are we at five high balls Five balls. There was virtually no difference whatsoever in their pitch position and where they finished in terms of landing In fact two of my balls With the lower spin Move back Not zipping back, but they move back a foot or so So it's really interesting for me a bit surprising to you or not Yeah, I mean definitely definitely because the you know the the flight I mean, I probably liked it You know it was coming a little bit a little bit more penetrating. Yeah, we went into the wind and yours kind of got up there the distance Was not relative to the spin at all and the spin rate was not relative to what happened I mean the difference between your lowest and my highest was you know nearly two thousand It was 1800 spin And the reaction on the green was pretty much pretty much the same Hey, come on. What you've got now? Tell me talk to me Brilliant so that that'll sound great on camera. What have you got? Just look at me stupid say the same as Right so after that great intro from lewis Informative as ever Oh, you said I'll just hit the golf shot instead and Okay, what's it saying number Yeah Okay Well the interesting thing will be you say that lew that's on the green it's front left and I'll be interested in a pitch mark And stop the front side for this green. We're so we're a little bit more downwind There's a complete opposite direction to what we played Um the previous hole the front side for this green has got a little bit of downslope And I think you landed on it It's pin high but left but what happened is the front half of the green it's got a downslope And that's why I want to see how the ball reacts. So in theory even with six and a half spin that should have kicked on a bit That's a much better strike Again, that wind sees behind us off the right a little bit. It's took the ball there again Again, just landed on that downslope Yeah, so six nine spin Over to me. Let me put a bit of five and a half thousand on it and see what happens We're not all about your performance, mate. It's the spin at the myth of spin. We're trying to Salve here So you've sorted your balls out I think this is too far for me It's downwind mate off the right I think you need to set them in the bag So what's the numbers on that six seven spin six seven six seven Now I'm questioning something else here that's brought into my into the equation and I still think it's really important A lot of you'll watch my videos for well, maybe somebody who watched them for a while You'll all know that on a mat in the dry ball data situation I don't obtain anything over five thousand five and a half thousand spin So that kind of also tells me a tale. I've always questioned that number But we all get fit with it. We all test in the same conditions that very tight lie on the mat I'm starting to question if it's right, you know 15 yards further back maybe maybe more like 12 10 12 yards further back Five I don't want to see a lower spin number because I want to see what the ball does with something like five thousand spin Whether I can hit the green with it's another thing The green you're gonna hit the flag Right that That's got Just under four thousand revs of spin Three eight nine six. I'll take a photo of it now 174 carry So where it expected to be in terms of the five iron Possibly the best shot you've ever hit Well, I'll tell you what oh, it's close isn't it? 174 five iron Debating whether to give it in from here The issue is where did the ball pitch and where did it stop? That's the big thing for me Less than four thousand revs of spin and that's what I really wanted to see on the video some at really low What has it done in terms of its pitch mark and where it stopped and how much difference is that going to make To someone like me an average golfer who listen, I'm doing somersault because I've hit the green I'm not bothered if it stopped within one yard two yards if I'm on that green to me I'll take that four thousand spin and it ain't going to affect my scoring one single bit Right the final ball and perhaps the most interested out the lot was the five iron Four thousand spin or just below Pretty impressive pitch mark There's the flag. There's the pitch mark Three yards and stop Let me repeat that in case I got that too. I was a long way in terms of recording the sound whether you picked up my big Mouth or not. I don't know I basically said the last ball for me was the most interesting less than four thousand spin Pitch mark was very close to the hole and it run on three yards in terms of my strides Yeah Where it pitched also was on a slight down slope Which I don't know whether we can pick that up on the camber of the green from there Thoughts on that I mean, it's amazing. The flight was lower. The spin was lower You know, it's on a different part of the green If anything, it's slightly downwind That's the biggest surprise. I wasn't expecting that Even when it hit the five iron with the ball flight hard It was a definitely hopefully you picked it up on camera more penetrating ball flight. I thought this is going to zip through No, and it didn't there's no there's no, you know when and they're not that you know, it's not you can't say Over the greens because we're not tipping them back. You know, we just played a par three there Wedges and wedges and they're not coming backwards. So the greens aren't soft Um, so it's a big big I mean, I was expecting that the flight and the spins should go running through the green Yeah, I was yeah a couple of yards of rolling Well, I'm sort of I'm pro this idea that low spin doesn't have such an impact But I still with that shot It surprised me more than any other shot that we've hit that it's done what it did That and the fact that we've also managed to get my spin numbers in a lot more higher that I'm recording Other than dry ball data off the mats right, we've come back into to upload towers and We've watched back the footage I was interested in because obviously we can't see it was the one we placed camera on green and Watching how the balls react in terms of how they stop was the bit that we want to have a look at And obviously there's one particular shot that I'll pay Most attention to on this because it highlights this sort of whole purpose of the video in that one shot I'll get to that in a second But I want to talk about first of all the variables that will occur on every single shot at sort of my level Maybe not Lewis's And also variables that we we didn't get involved with which was a descent angle. We didn't mention that Wind direction or we played two different wind directions on the day But that's going to always make a big difference in terms of the spin And also the slope on the green depending on where the camera of the greener supposed depending on Your landing position will always have an impact on where that ball finishes as well. But anyway The reason I'm not mentioning those is because they are variables They will change on every for me. Anyway, again at our level and that's what I'm trying to really Sort of drill ome here is that if you've got a repeatable swing a repeatable strike pattern like Lewis performed with his First every shot he hit produced the same numbers and the ball did the same thing This video isn't aimed at Lewis. This video for me is aimed at average golfers and for somebody like me Who on each shot will not repeat the same swing will not repeat the same swing pattern And therefore my results will differ on each occasion, but I think your highlight is important though You know my launch angle was similar my spin rate was similar Every single shot we you know did pretty much drop was the same, didn't it? Yeah, so it was a good sort of you know We were hitting it. Yeah, we were hitting to different greens. We're hitting different wind directions So just making sure that when I hit my shots, they always come out in a similar window When I hit the green they do the same thing and then watching You know difference. Yeah launch conditions on every shot. Yeah, and how they reacted And that that's the surprise and I think that for me it was always to see what because I didn't know what the reality was Like I said by planting a camera on green by taking gc2 out to a launch monitor and recording data I really wanted to see what happens And on the balls that I hit when I hit 7 9 and a g5 h spin that was like I said a surprisingly good number for me Yeah, and It performed the same way As what your ball did even though there was maybe 1200 15 other spin difference But the the shot that I want to focus on really is the five iron that I played Launching at 14. It was a fairly it was a bit of a bullet Generating ball. It was a great answer. You say one of the best shots I've ever hit And this less just less than 4000 spin now we've just watched back the video I noticed that I didn't even look where the ball landed I looked straight at the machine to see what the number was and I must admit when I seen 4000 spin I was really pleased that that's a number that we've recorded because I needed to see something low And see what happened on the green What was your reaction when we've just watched it back in terms of what it did? We knew where it had stopped and pitch, but we just watched it back and you'll have seen it as well I'll play it over the clip again now for you. But what are your thoughts on it? I couldn't believe it. I mean, I you just got this sort of preconceived idea of of something that launches at that low sort of penetrating flight and that spin rate that There's no way to hole in the green whether it lands on the front or lands up by the pin like it did and you'd expect to be chipping from the back, but I think so The summary really is this and what's the purpose of the video? Well, the purpose for me has always been that I just want to make sure that Average golfers go in and try and look at clubs with an open mind and I'm guilty of it as well I was just talking about there, you know, I mean M5 and M6 irons, for example I think Lewis commented through the video one of the shots that I ate You should go out and buy yourself a set because you know, sometimes we overlook the performance in relation to our ability Maybe just overstepped the mark a little bit in terms of what we like in terms of a player's iron for me That I think oh, I want to play that iron But am I really good enough and consistent enough to get the benefit out of them? And as I said, the problem I've got is I'm walking into a golf shop and I'm looking at M5 M6 And I'm thinking I've watched loads of videos and they spin low. They spin low. Yeah, they're strong lofted I'm never gonna hold a green so I dismissed them And that clearly for me just isn't the case and I think we've just got data obsessed In particular This is important. Don't get me wrong But I think when you're talking about a thousand fifteen hundred revs of spin. Yeah at my level It's got no bearing on the end result and ultimately my ability to score better And I'm in a round of golf. Yeah, I'm not saying it's no. Well, it's exactly the reason I play p7 90 irons over blades traditional blades Is because performances King go out and try it get you know Find out what works best for you and they you know with a you know, they are a bit more forgiving than a blade And but they give us similar launch conditions and similar sort of spin rates Um, and that's for you sort of custom fitting and I'd say that is the most important thing is well, I think I think it's an open mind Don't forget. It's all about spin. This whole video is about spin. It's about being obsessed with it. It's about being I've spent two years Of doubting my own ability to hold a green in my mind in a way because I'm looking at data Saying that five thousand spin with a seven iron is too low to hold a green Then I'm playing golf and I'm thinking well, I don't have problem holding a green and it's video So this video is just for me really I've just done a video which has shown a ball with four thousand spin 14 degree launch penetrating ball flight Into a firm green downwind and has held within three yards If you can relate to that, I think that there will be a lot of people out there, but you're looking, uh Yeah, should be in that same house. Absolutely. Well, I hope so. Anyway, anyway, thank you for watching. I really enjoyed the test Um, I know there's a lot of variables and but I hope you understand that we could go on For days trying to cover each and every one of those But I think there's enough in there to make you question whether spin is is really just that little bit overrated at our level Anyway, thank you for watching. Thanks to Lewis. Um, enjoyed that mate. Did you? Yeah? Yeah interesting interesting video Thanks for watching thumbs up comments down below and we'll both see you soon