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Here comes the show Adam. No, I want to know We're not talking about I see I see you shut you down No, no, no, we're not talking about that. We're not gonna get to that later in the episode. We're gonna build up No, I'm gonna give you a compliment. Oh, jump the gun on the compliment. Yeah, dude. You're looking you're looking good I saw you post the picture yourself after you worked out. Are you back on track? What's not at all? I'm actually in some of the worst shape. I've ever been in your big liar I'm not lying to you when you see that when the only times you see me work out is like all I'm really working out right now I haven't got that many I train. I take that back. I train my legs at home two days before that Yeah, but you're more consistent than you have been or so. No, no, no You just you got I don't do a lot of posts of me pumped up, bro You're used to see me deflated and that's what I'm always trying to tell people that like they you know They see how massive you are here we go You are at all the pumps that you get before we do the podcast girls like well, what happened to Adam I'm like, well fuck you guys watch me go get aired up for 30 seconds and then so I got throw it on my story just to No, I'm not I'm really not and honestly so I've talked before about how I Rarely train my arms because that's all I have to do I do like and that's because of so many years of training over training them like crazy That I barely got a touch of me and they get aired up How weird is that though? Some people have that ability to just when they get a pump They look way different other people not so much well, not only that but you actually brought something up and you I think you shared a study around this and when we first met you actually Said that you would predict this about me when I talked about man. It's so So hard for me to like build muscle and but and I lose I lean out really quick and you're all I bet you Respond though really quick when you get back on and I didn't believe that really Now being older and you know falling off the wagon being on the wagon as far as my consistency It I see that now. I see it now after decades of training That I can take a break for a while fall kind of out of shape And then if I can if I dial the diet in touch the weights my body responds. There's a pretty cool You know, I I'm careful with using this word But there's a bit of a permanence when it comes to like resistance training. Obviously, it's nothing. It's permanent But the longer you keep the muscle and strength the easier it is to maintain it and there was that study that came out Right where they say one ninth. Yeah of the volume to keep muscle that you have to build that now I really do and I think that um, I think the training for the competition For that four-year stent or so that I was on I think that has because I never felt like that before So if you were to go right back before competing days, but you were so consistent for four. Oh, yeah I've never been that consistent in my life ever and and and for that, you know for four years, right? Of like never missing a workout staying dialed on the diet Like even when I wasn't, you know, quote-unquote perfect as far as what I was eating It was accounted for right? So if I ate outside of the perfect I still got what my body need to grow like and training like would you say that going Extreme for a brief, you know period of time would have like some benefit in terms of like I do capacity I do I really do as long as it's appropriate, right? Not that you're going extreme and you're overworking your body But rather just super consistent everything Focus dialed in for years. I feel like after that. It's so much easier You know hard it used to be yeah for me to be over a hundred and ninety pounds when I was a kid so hard now It's like I just sit there I think there's a couple things happening there too aside from what, you know muscle memory and things like there's also the When you when you've been dialed like that for so long You learn a lot about us. There's there all of us in this room With all of our combined knowledge are still uniquely different as far as how our body responds to certain exercises What diets work well, you know what to look for how it really tuned. Yeah, and especially doing on a Competitive level I really know how to change and I had to because you know I only got two weeks out I got to look like this or oh getting out of off the stage now I want to go do this like I only got three months before this next show So I had to like really work like that and so it allows me now When I want to kind of turn it around really quick. I can I can switch it up But I appreciate the compliment, but yeah, no, I'm not Notice it with with I don't feel I don't feel sexy right now. That's I don't feel sexy right now Yeah, or gifts, you know the way you always ask Katrina like is that Adam brushing his teeth naked or is he like got his talon and It's something that that's how yeah, that's the indicator if I'm feeling I'd be a weird thing to ask Hey, I got a question for you Wait a minute No, so my Jessica sees is the same thing so we see we had the baby It's been hard for her to get into a rhythm because of sleep stuff and all that stuff And so her workouts are like one-tenth of what they were before their body weight or whatever And we'll go to family functions and family members like oh my god your shoulders and your arms You must be working out like crazy She's like I am not and it's all the work that she did before that's a yeah I you know I my workouts have not been this radically different this long for a long time I have completely dedicated myself to lighter weight higher reps getting the pump and it's because every time I went back to heavy lifting More recently I started noticing my joints a little bit. I'm like, you know, I should probably you're the most dial I've seen you ever with us. Yeah, and we've all been hanging out for almost eight years now And I've never seen you this it's all higher reps though It's all like straight bodybuilding Pay attention to the weight that I'm lifting which for me was so hard to get around Yeah, and it's made a huge difference for me in terms of how I feel So and I think that's the better way at this point for me to train for longevity, you know I've definitely been thinking about longevity and also just like my own movement capacity like being more athletic because I'm just like Trying to trying to demonstrate certain movements and be explosive in them and like be able to Be able to react and have my body respond properly. It's like I need to go back to a lot of these functional exercises and Really promote that more because like you just after a while it just you got cobwebs Yeah, like we were some of these movements if you're not reintroducing them continue the opposite of that. I need to do that So bad. I've just been lazy. I know I know I need to put that work in I was running I was play like I was trying to scare my my son. He's 11 months old, right? And so Jessica will have him, you know, he'll kind of look for me I'll go around the corner and I'll come around and I'll scare him and I'll run towards him and then run away And I'm like running and I never run and I'm like this feels like I don't know how to do it Yeah, so I need to start practicing for an animal. Yeah, I'm not even ready to hard Feel right like I'm not squatting. So I don't know speaking of our sons, dude So you've ever I told the story about Katrina, you know your max taking Katrina other rooms like that He's had such a fun. So this is we're at two years in what three months or some of that So this is marked down his personality. Yeah Yeah, yeah, this is like a really cool age for me right now like just seeing the little thing And he's starting to pick up things really quick like if you do something and like So I don't remember what we did first to start telling them like like telling them to be quiet Like it's bedtime and we do this. So we're we're in it We're getting ready for bed again, and we're getting ready to put him down And you know, I'm reading to max and we're sitting there and Katrina again trying to talk to me And he puts his finger to her lips. Shh. Yeah I laugh you're just He doesn't do it to himself. He doesn't do ever he wants to shush and he puts his finger to your lips And then you laugh about us and I Doesn't work cuz you think it's funny really is if I'm near Jessica. He wants to go to her I call her number one. So I was like, oh here comes number one because if she's not around I'm the coolest thing in the world. She's around. He wants to go to her But now because of his age he and he likes he wants to nurse all the time He always wants to be on the boob, so I'll get him near her and he'll just pull her shirt down It doesn't matter where we're at. He'll try to pull her titty out or pull out. I'm like We got to be careful Right out like you know now does she plan to because Katrina shut down at one year I think is where she shut down is that she wants to keep going to two. Oh, she does. Yeah Yeah, so she wants that's a big commitment, dude. So. Oh, yeah I remember Katrina when she said she Katrina said I don't want she said I'm not gonna commit to any She goes I'm gonna do a year for sure. I'll see where I'm at around there And I remember when the year market she was like I'm ready to be it's a lot dude Yeah, it is a huge commitment. It's a lot of work I think of all the things that I've watched as you know as far as raising kids That I guess that was a part that I obviously was more. Well, my mom also did formula really quick, right? So I guess I didn't see but breastfeeding for that long That was the part that I I didn't realize how crazy that is you're on demand and it's all it's throughout the whole day Yeah, and so you can't really do anything a mom that makes a year to me I mean you go in six months even to breastfeeding consistently I have so much respect for anybody can do that and I don't and I don't shame anyone who can't and doesn't because It's insane like I don't think I can make it Well, you know what it is is that you think to yourself especially when they're newborns, right? Okay, every two or three hours you breastfeed but we don't realize is the time that you're breastfeeding So it's every two or three hours from the beginning. Yeah, something like that. So reality It's like an hour and a half in between. So you're constantly all day long Like you can't even do anything. Yeah while you're doing that You know, I'll get teeth and that's like a whole nother thing Well, I know then you have the and I don't know how much Jessica's dealt with this too of like You know, she gets engorged on one side or the like you she's having issues with latching on one than the other Yeah, so Katrina not only was like every two hours, but then she was having to deal with pain and things like that I haven't take hot showers to calm it down. It's like, oh my god So not only is the dedication every two and a half hours three hours of doing that Then the other free time you have it's just making sure you're ready for the next two hours I don't like oh my god. You imagine having twins. No and having to do that My cousin just had double time your cousin had twins. So I have the the other Schaefer so there's only one other Schaefer man in the family that potentially will have kids my cousin Jonathan Schaefer and he just had they just had like what three four days ago had twin girls Yeah, crazy. Well, good for god bless them. Yeah, your babies at once. Yeah, you need a night nanny I had clients that you so I had a client who had twins and She told me if you're if that happens a night nanny like I don't care if you have to sell your car What you need to do it'll save your life because when one goes to sleep sometimes the other one's awake So you're totally fucked. Yeah, you're totally screwed. Anyway speaking of kids So I read an article in popular science. Are you guys from the popular science magazine? I mean, I well, I actually read it every now and then I love pop popular science They're always posting cross over. Yeah, it's always cool stuff. And you know, it's great to read Look at listen to this. This is they just put this out. You ready for this This just came out on the 28th of September. Hmm. Here's the the the title of this article Has the fountain of youth been in our blood all along ready for this? Studies published over the last 15 years have found that young blood can reinvigorate aging mice now Scientists are trying to crack the dog has been drinking young children Now here we go That's what I was saying Justin I'm convinced he does There's this big internet conspiracy theory that like celebrities and like wealthy people it's all tied to this like satanic coal Yeah, they get like young like the young children they kidnap and whatever they take their blood and it keeps them young and whatever But dude this side this freaking article supports all that and literally it's saying here ready for this So this is so places like Stanford and Harvard have shown that when infused with blood from young mice Old ones heal faster move quicker think better. Remember more The experiments reverse almost every indicator of aging the teams have probed so far It fixes signs of heart failure Improves bone healing regrows pancreatic cells and speeds Spinal cord repair. Wow. Why would you publish this? I don't know. Yes, dude I know some of those longevity people that want to live forever. I was like Aubrey de Grey or like some of those like Yeah, don't look super youthful like I've been promoting this whole blood transfusion thing from like younger And they've I mean this is I don't know how true it is, right? So I'm gonna throw that out there But you know some of these Silicon Valley Type like CEO's I don't know if it's like Peter Thiel or somebody else was like had You know hired some some young men that he would actually do blood transfusions with and everything really just hire them Yeah, I mean this is again This is all you hook up like on a dialysis machine and then circulate some of his blood into you or something I don't think you dialysis. I think just goes right through right now. All I know is like We should have been paying attention to all the the legends of like vampires That's crazy. Well, like yeah speaking of vampire, you know vampire bats when they find like a juicy bite that they put Off a sound for the other vampire bats know that humans can't hear This has never happened in seven years of my Works on the right way, you know what happened All the information gives I wish I could tell you guys where I read it. I mean Duncan probably fact check me I know it's true. I read it Yeah, there's a vampire bats when they when they find a bite a juicy like, you know bite They sound off they make a sound that other vampire bats in here, but humans can't hear humans can't hear Yeah, have you ever seen those pictures fresh meat? Have you ever seen the biggest bats in the world? I don't know where they're from Doug. Maybe you can pull it up. It looks like they're crazy Okay, it looks like a movie vampire that turned into a bad. You know when vampires and movies turn to Where are they at where they at, you know, I don't know don't Australia where all the crazy shit is Yeah, no, why do they have all the crazy animals look up the biggest bats in the world? You see I'm scared of us. So those bats like that you've seen that almost have like human size dicks I'm serious That's what scares me, you know a bat just flying around I'm bombing you with that thing the big dog. Yeah, just drink my blood. I'm just saying Look up images Doug because it's boring to look at an article That's the details though I mean wingspan up the five to six inches inches long. That's not big five feet six inches five feet six inches. There you go Yeah, five foot wingspan for a bat. Oh fuck that. Oh, yeah, okay. Click on the one that's hanging there Do tell me that doesn't look like a person in a costume as creepy as hell if I saw one hanging like that I I don't know what I would do. Oh, where are those at where those that Doug? I think the Philippines Really totally avoid imagine if you look up and that thing's flying above your head Okay, what is it about them that are so why are they so much bigger there? There's them big balls. You're talking about telling you do a second. That's ugly Doug I mean your your search engines ruined anyway. That's not human size though Justin. Well, it depends on your point Okay, I'm telling you there's ones out there They're called mega giant giant three inch penis, right? That's your scale, huh? Yeah, did you guys hear about Elon Musk's okay? So, you know he broke up with his this was it what's her name grimes? What's her first name? Something grimes sure the girl that he was with the weird always with she's kind of a weird chick They had the kid that they named the weird thing. I don't remember What was what was her name anyway? So Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend. I don't know if they were married Grimes is her last name. She she put out this I guess post or something saying that she's gonna start a lesbian space commune Yeah, so she said I'll be colonizing Europa separately from Elon for the lesbian space commune So that's a that's I don't know why they broke up She is kind of weird but she said that's what she said I read something about where is where is his current wealth at right now? He just he just he's the richest right now. Is he I read somewhere over Bezos is He's like it like I want to say like 300 billion or something. I don't know and that's like total wealth, right? Yeah, I just saw an article around that. Yeah, see what is that's that's her right there. Oh, she jokes She's starting a lesbian space. It's not a true thing. I don't know man. Look at it. Look at a picture from spreading rumors might be real I don't know. She might actually try to do this. Yeah She was like a Wonder Woman's planet. What what were they called? Oh? There were weren't they Amazonian the Amazonian. Yeah, that's a legend though, right of the all female Yeah island of female warriors. I mean now we can create it. I guess yeah No, we can yeah, all right So I got a funny I got a funny article for you guys So you know these these festivals that happen with music and stuff and lots of people partying and acting crazy and whatever Yeah, we sound like old people talking about that Those things where they all gathered loud music Just music and yeah, well check this out 2000 the 2019 Glastonbury music festival had an alarming impact on local waterways So because the people at the festival my god take it so much drugs They did so many drugs wow that their pee had that they're combined urine of their pee had high concentrations of MDMA and cocaine Harming local fish the fish that are on LSD right now So they did so many drugs Swimming up toilets that that literally the amount of drugs that they had left over in their pee was enough to harm Wildlife wow that was around there. That's crazy. So I mean I want to see videos of this freaking I think they're all I think it's More rare to find something sober at one of those things. I think I've never been obviously I've never been to the festival's warning the thing when I would have been you know You know, yeah, I think we're all too old for that stuff. Have you guys ever been? I was gonna do stagecoach one year and then I think we talked about Coachella and then I was like have you done Rave you know, I've been like a real rave. No, I mean, I haven't been to rave I mean I've been to obviously metal festivals, but that's different. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a whole different feel I'm sure did you not too many girls Either one of you guys watch the the news clip that I shared about the company where the CEO Raised this happened like five or six years. I actually think we talked about this on the podcast Yes, five or six years ago about a guy a CEO who decided to make a minimum wage of all employees Nobody under $70,000 a year and he was like in the credit card Banking type of business. I don't it's a gravity. I think is the name of the company. It was credit card processing Yeah, and so what this guy did is he said I am the minimum wage or the minimum income My employees will get he announced this is gonna be $70,000 a year Which actually meant some of them his employees went from 30 to 70. Yeah, so he dramatically increased everybody's pay He took a huge pay cut He took a million dollar cut a million dollar cut himself Yeah, in order to make this happen and of course lots of people are like, oh the company's gonna fail This isn't gonna work. Well apparently it's done really well And it's succeeded except one thing that's kind of interesting They asked him recently about this and he pays himself $70,000 here So okay, that's I'm glad you brought that up because that's the part I wanted to talk about so I thought that was at the end of the Interview they asked him like, okay, so what is your salary? He goes mind $70,000 a year. So two things either one Why would this be a great business plan? If the whole point of taking all that risk and doing that is so that you could make really good money first of all And then the other thing I would ask is this is okay Well, we we have a salary ourselves and then we have a K1 distribution So is he just talking about a salary and then he has this distribution that he gives himself? So he makes $70,000 a year Salary but then he gets a distribution of a one million something at the end of the year So that's what I would I would want it. Yeah, I would want to know more detail about now The employees love working there, of course And now here's a thing though that that this this particular article or video that sounds like it's just perception They make it look like it's all about the money and I've worked with enough people I've had enough companies where yes pay is important But the the environment the culture and the people you work with in my experience is more important and for people who disagree Go to places where people volunteer where people literally work for free, but they like what they're doing They're so passionate about it. They they also have incredible loyalty Obviously the company is doing something right if they're still succeeding. I don't know if that is the factor necessarily But a lot of these employees took a voluntary pay cut when the company reduced their remember in that video They said that the company was losing money during the pandemic. So a lot of a lot of employees voluntarily took a pay cut in order Oh, I didn't know that I didn't see that help. Oh interesting. What's your thoughts on it? Doug, did you watch it or no? I did watch it and I think you make a good point I mean I can pay myself we could pay a salary of $25,000 yet. Do we have ownership in in the company? So I don't know if that's a true reflection of what he's making. Yeah I think that was just to make it look good on the news because that probably went over everybody said everybody went Wow, what a great guy. Yeah, he only pays himself the minimum amount and everybody else gets paid Yeah, I see us don't any income. Yeah, like salary. That's true. Yeah, that's very I don't know like yeah again It's it's sort of a news play and then if he's really actually only making seven dollars, and then that's a stupid business You know, okay, but you know what the problem with this is the employees good is obviously Well, you're also building a company to that's centered around credit card debt, too So you're not doing something that's super like noble, right? You know, you're not doing something saving the planet and then also taking this terrible. I think here's the problem How many components go into running a successful business? There's so many components, right? It would be like me saying hey look at this company where this the CEO pays himself $50 million a year and The bottom employees make minimum wage. That's a winning formula because they're so successful That doesn't tell you not even close to the whole story So what they're doing with this company is they're using this by the way that for every company that does this which I this is Only what I know about there's about 50, you know thousand others that do it differently So if you want to see what a winning formula as I think what you want to do is look at the Majority of them, but there's so much more like we don't know anything else about this company I would assume because they're successful that they're doing a lot of other Narrative from the way the news was was was spinning that was the winning that was yeah And that there's greedy everywhere else are greedy CEOs that make the on average 250% more than the you know average salary of the person that's working there You know what I always find interesting is nobody really says that about Musicians or athletes like if you watch a basketball game and you're a fan You don't argue that LeBron James shouldn't make more than some other You know no name whatever average basketball player nobody's gonna be like oh He's so greedy he shouldn't be because you watch the game You see how good the damn guy is and how how why he's paid so much He's the one bringing all the ticket sales the problem with business is in corporations is nobody sees the plays Nobody's watching the game right all they see is they don't know what it takes. That's right They see Amazon this guy makes this much this guy makes this much. It's not fair. That's not how it works It you have no idea you're not watching the game because if I guarantee if you go to the average person on the streets And you say Beyonce made 200 200 million dollars last year. Do you think that she's deserves it and people will be like Oh, yeah, she's so talented. She's so good. She has these huge concerts But then you say hey the CEO of no-name corporation made you know 250 times more than his average employee What do you think? Oh, that's not fair. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, it's not really a fair, you know That's half the reason why you get into that though, right? Don't have to reason why you take all the rich okay 80% fail So you're already you know you're already going up hill here So and you know you're gonna probably have to work for a long time for free, right? Or lose a lot of money before you even get out of the red imagine the pressure and the stress of running some of these companies Yeah, I think I think the motivation for most people to start that their business is to be able to get to a place where they have Financial freedom right and control their their pay like I don't know So yeah, I don't know if I subscribe to the whole narrative that the news network is putting out there Otherwise he seems not like the greatest smartest. There's a lot of factors that are going to running a successful company So you can't really just say that one thing, but I dug I wanted you to pull something up So I want to show Adam something can you can you Google Amazon home Rob robot real quick? I Got sent this DM to I love how people are like keeping tabs You know what I get I get all the ones of people like the crew of five normal people that just are getting ready to go Same Not on the moon. This is this is a this is gonna be a mass production. Look at this. It's new robot That's for sure well if this is the standard Because we clean your house. Yeah, they're already there. We already have Siri and what are all the Amazon ones? You know that okay, so what's your music and that can order fucking groceries? I want some to do my dishes All right manual labor. So is that the criteria? Robot that does your dishes. That's the criteria. That's it. Just like I have to get some The fucking moon to win this argument you guys won't give me that the five normal people that just went up to the space I'm not winning your whole argument is people flying to the moon for vacation average people like like a cost-effective Yeah, all I said was robots in your home. They're gonna be like no, we were talking about doing dishes That's exactly what we said. I said that I believe in close The average person would would be able to afford to take a trip to the moon Before we will have a robot that will do your dishes. That's the argument That's everything and so both these don't work So I can't use the people that are sending me shit in my DMs that are saying hey bro Check this out five people up in space. These are average Joe's that up there make sure you tell Sally. No, it doesn't work They're not so like are we gonna have any consequences of this bet or like we gotta like put some stipulation behind I don't see with Jake Paul like how Tyrone Woodley actually like Finger yeah, I love Jake. I don't want to add anything else. He already still owes me a car from years ago No tattoos, you know and her ass or something hail. No, okay, this robot the latest thing driving around you talk to it Well, what's it do? I mean, I mean, is it just a robot that drives around that still does the same thing that? Oh, it gives you a beer. Do you bring you a beer? Come on. That's kind of cool Okay, that's that's an advancement, but it's got to do the dishes Justin. Yeah, I can't even open the beer, bro That's not that cool. It's such a chauvinist They said that I read an article that said that the robot from Rocky for is a reality Hey speaking of funny crazy stuff, so yeah, I'm on we have our private forum and you know Sometimes they post great stuff and somebody screen shot it so check this out the art We did a podcast episode. I don't know a couple weeks ago Where somebody asked us what we thought about Turquester on and we also talked about ecstasy around right the supplements Whether they work or not. Well, anyway on the podcast. I said, yeah, it definitely works and there's some studies that show That works where there's a supplement company that clipped part of our podcast and use that as a way To sell their supplement. How cool is that sneaky? I feel that very cool But I will say this they never sent me a sample. We've never tried their supplements So they're using it to sell their product. I have no idea. I don't know. It could be good. It could be bad Yeah, shoot a commission, bro. I have no idea But but I did I tell you what though it was you guys know my relationship with supplements, right? dysfunctional at best But it's really cool that somebody used me talking to sell a freaking supplement I thought that was really cool. What you did get a lot of underneath that too is What's his name a Derek more more dates more plates? I always say it wrong. Yeah, that's him. Yeah Yeah, I like him again. I did too. I've been following this stuff for a while now I actually reached out to I would love to get him on the show I don't know how I reached out to him on Instagram. Yeah, I think it was Instagram that I sent the first message I don't know I haven't dug that deep to go see if I can get like a personal email and then put our team on trying to get a Whole of them like I was hoping that he would see the message and then just respond I like his we've both been tagged enough times. He's got to know who we are and seen our content So but yeah, no, he puts out really good. If you smart guy anything related psalms steroids Supplements that are that are coming out and stuff like that Kind of that edgy part of yeah of bodybuilding and very intelligent dude breaks it down really well Yeah, no, I liked I liked the stuff that he's putting out Yeah, he does a lot of that too like the I told you guys before about how Everybody wants to know like oh is this person natural and then he like kind of he'll take like whoever's going like last one I saw him doing was Dana Lynn Bailey is she natural. Yeah, and she's been claiming natural forever And you know, so he breaks down kind of like her training career and talks about it And he doesn't in an intelligent way that makes it intriguing to watch and listen to so he's kind of made himself as an Authority in that space a speaking of hormones. I want I do want to say this so we obviously we started working with Dr. Rand and their TRT and HRT clinic that we in our opinion the best in the business and They got such a huge demand that some people had to wait and stuff They put a calendar now up on MP hormones comm right so you can go there and book your consultation on the calendar So you don't have to wait to get contacted So this will speed things up, but a lot of people are having are really liking what they're doing So I have a buddy Who heard our podcast called me up and he goes do you think that I may have? Testosterone issues, so I asked him a bunch of questions and I said well I said you could try working out a little more consistently changing your diet see if that helps I said it won't hurt to get your testosterone levels checked Just to see where you're at and this you know to see if you could rate if you raise it if it's gonna make a difference Anyway, well anyway, he did he went and got tested It came back in the 200s, which is really low So in other words he could double a testosterone and it's still gonna be it's still not gonna be great Yeah, so he went on you know hormone replacement therapy And what they recommended that he do and I'm not gonna obviously I can't say who this person is I'll be a violation of their privacy or whatever, but he did testosterone He also got prescribed nandrolone, which is known as deca right deca is what they say in the that's the that was the trade Name right, but nandrolone is the generic name and it's a low dose and I'm like this is pretty cool They actually use and this is approved for human use and the reason why he went on on nandrolone along with testosterone Was for his joints to feel better and all that stuff Anyway, I thought echo poise was only the one that was really no, so that's that's not approved for human use That's only ever been for animal, but I thought that's what like I mean in the bodybuilding community like it's that's supposed to be for like pumps Red blood cell echo poise is known as like it's supposed to be like a joint lubricant Yeah, and I've always felt good when I've taken ecu. I didn't know I didn't know that Yeah, so nandrolone is supposed to be good for that and it has something to do with pain receptors and you know He kind of explains it anyway. He's been doing this and he's like dude He goes I feel like a completely different person because I had no idea How bad I felt before now that I have a contrast game changer. Well, he's exact. He was I mean similar to that's where I was I was just 250 and then I worked my ass off to get to like 400 and You know felt better than what I did at 250 but still didn't feel really good And then it was like life-changing when I got back Yeah, well speaking of testosterone but boosting it like naturally I was like in this conversation. It was pretty funny With one of the coaches I work with my one of my good friends and you know we're just talking about like stuff out there that you know, you would you would try and describe that Just sounds like complete magic and nonsense and I was talking to him about, you know, naturally raising testosterone It's not actually like red light therapy is like a proven legit way to do it. It sounds so crazy He's like what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, shine some red light on your balls. Dude, sometimes you forget like we're just in this like total bubble of You know, whatever's advancing with health fitness and all that stuff I feel like your average person is like you're just shining red light on you like they all just start laughing at me Yeah, yeah, like I'm some kind of like the crazy person That's such a good point because that's I feel I get the same thing when I talk about the juve like that because it does see and I Forget just like that's how we were. Yeah, we felt that way when they first approached us I was like what no and then they sent us all the studies and then I thought to myself, okay Well, obviously light has a profound effect on your body. Obviously. I mean one example is your body synthesizes vitamin D Through exposure with UV rays lack of UV rays can cause problems too much can cause problems So light does affect the body in the cells and so and then when you look at the literature the red light this particular type of red Light by the way, it's not just red light like you can't just get a red light bulb and do this Yeah, it's a particular. That's what I was trying to describe Type, it gets the mitochondria to to produce more energy and to work more effectively What does that mean? Every cell that has mitochondria performs better. What cells in your body have mitochondria all of them So if you shine it on your skin less wrinkles that heals faster It's gonna seem more use more youthful cells if you shine it where you have like Psoriasis I've seen improvement at all that stuff exactly if you shine it on Areas we can get to the to the lighting cells which are in the test these those produce testosterone You'll raise your testosterone and then hair growth that one sounded like snake oil Yeah, that one's actually the most that's one of the most proven ways of using red light therapies that are you know Yeah, people think you're crazy though for sure and I forget to that We're in this little bubble of ours because we read we get all that stuff first But I mean it's you know, it's we'll see like in a year or two watch I mean when you start I think once you see like the how the sports teams are adopting it That was it that was sort of my angle because and like well the you know the 49ers like have a whole training facility where they have a recovery Portion of that like devoted to red light therapy panels and then you have like all these other devices to speed up your recovery So it's like they're jumping on they were on the they're on the front end of BFR They're on the front end of cryo therapy But I mean you got you have million dollar athletes and there's million billions hundreds of millions of dollars on the line to Have a winning franchise that consistently so they are they'll use every cutting edge They can and so they're always a good place to watch now It is a therapy with meaning you you get the effects if you use it you don't get the effects if you don't Consistently yeah, and the reason why cuz red light therapy and the studies that support it have actually been around for a while The reason why it never became a thing is because they were so expensive That in order to use these things you'd have to go to a salon Spend a lot of money and then you had to go a few times a week Nobody was gonna do that now that you have companies like you you can have it in your home And now you can use it regularly now it makes sense But before just it makes that's what I have to explain this to other people that have psoriasis because I've talked About how it's helped my psoriasis and I'm like it helps while you're doing it It doesn't help when you don't do it like if I and I notice it right away If I'm consistently doing three times a week is seems good to me if I'm doing three times a week 10 to 15 minute sessions that's enough for it to Dramatically improve what my psoriasis looks like if I stop doing it It'll only take like a week or two and then I'll start to notice you get bad again So it's something you got to consistently do hey real quick I hope you're enjoying this podcast look head over and check out ollie pop This is one of the partners that we work with and they make sodas like classic grape But here's the difference this entire can has got about what is that 30 45 calories in this entire can no artificial sweeteners And here's the best part there are prebiotics and gut healthy compounds in this to help your gut So it's actually a gut healthy supplement that tastes like the sodas you drink when you were a kid Go check them out head over to drink ollie pop comm forward slash mine pump again. That's drink Oli pop comm forward slash mine pump all right enjoy the rest of the podcast our first caller is Louise from Florida Louise what's up, man? How can we help you? either guys so I'm actually calling because I needed your help with something I Form first of all, I want to thank you guys for everything that you do I actually form part of the coach the coaches Group with NCI and mine pump and I'm really grateful for everything that you guys have brought to To the table in the in the last couple of sessions Now my question basically is regarding my own personal fitness journey. So I'm a really big fan of advanced calisthenics and gymnastics So I started off with gymnastics learning handstands front levers back levers iron cross all these more advanced technical Moves, but I'm also a fan of aesthetics So it was very hard for me at the start trying to combine these because I would basically do a body building routine every single day with a Calisthenics gymnastics routine and my body just really took a toll Everything changed once I started using anabolic and instead of the trigger sessions I did light calisthenics handstand skill sets in my days off and it all was very Beneficient very helpful and I was able to get both the aesthetics and the skill improvements with calisthenics Now my problem is now I'm done now that I'm done with anabolic I want to go into more of a strong man or a powerlifting type of program But I'm not too sure how to incorporate Calisthenics with that because I also don't want to lose the abilities and the skills with all these gymnastic movements How would you guys approach that? Yeah, that's a great question. Really good question. First off. Thanks for for for saying what you did about NCI That's been a really good experience for us working with Great coaches and you know, we've gotten great feedback from it. So I appreciate that now Here's a deal with what you're talking about You want to understand or consider that learning a skill Takes a lot more effort and practice than maintaining a skill So for example, so maybe a silly example, but I think it illustrates what I'm saying Learning how to ride a bike takes a lot of practice and a lot of effort and then keeping the skill of riding a bike For the most part if you ride it here and there, you'll probably keep it now You're talking about as you know calisthenics at a pretty high level But it also sounds like you've been doing them for a very long time. I think if you want to maintain your ability Just practice it on a regular basis that don't do it as a workout But rather just on a daily basis Practice the skills that you don't want to lose and that should be enough to prevent you from losing those abilities too much Now you won't be as good as you would be if you Train them hard all the time But if you're doing like power lift or strong and then you're practicing the calisthenics on a daily basis when I say practice I mean literally it's not a workout. You're practicing the skill. You're getting up on the bar You're making sure you could still do the movement I think if you do that on a regular basis along with strong or maps power lift, I think you should probably be okay I actually really like how you're doing this I mean, I think this is probably the direction that it I mean it It all matters to like how much of the Genastic skills that you still want to be good at right and I think if you want to keep them at the level that you're at Which just sounds like a pretty high level. I think your strategy is actually pretty good And what's kind of neat about all the programs is most all that at least all the ones I can think of right now top of my head We've built them with these, you know, you have your foundational days And then you have these you know and strong for example their work sessions And so I would just drop my work sessions and I would do my calisthenics there instead So you could follow strong and basically do the same thing that you did with anabolic and I think you would see great success I mean, I love what you do and by the way too, okay And I would love to see you do strong and do that but when we wrote these programs We did write them to where you could run it back. So you don't necessarily have to I know obviously It's financially beneficial for all of us for you to go through every single program But the truth is they they've been programmed in a manner that you could run anabolic multiple times You know one after one after another and be fine because of the way that we phased it So nothing wrong with how you how you're training right now at all But if you do want to move into something more like strong or power lift I would just take the off days and I would incorporate my gymnastics. Yeah, again, I want to echo that You know in terms of like how you're structuring it. I like However, I wanted to kind of pose another sort of option Only because I know some of these movements are like super intense, right? So a lot of a lot of times they they devote all of your effort your body gets really taxed sounds like you got taxed doing it that way What if you flipped that right? So you take anabolic and you do the trigger sessions in between your skills only because if that's your goal at the time So you can kind of you know really hyper focus on You know building up that skill, but also like getting the recovery the the hypertrophy benefits of the trigger sessions in between You know trying that as well if if that's a little bit less taxing, you know more moderate intensity You know giving that a go. Yeah, Louise I think the bottom line to understand and you know, this is a coach working with clients What they do the most of is where they're gonna gain most of their I guess benefits or results, right? So if you do if if endurance training takes up the majority of your time then most of your Progress is gonna be connected to endurance if most of your training is you know devoted to strength or power hypertrophy That's where you're gonna see most of your of your results So if you want to continue to improve at calisthenics You're probably gonna have to make that the cornerstone of your workout but if your goal is to Improve your aesthetics more than your calisthenics skill But you just want to be able to maintain some of those foundational skills Then the path that you're on is is I in my in my opinion perfect You know you follow one of our programs and then just practice Those calisthenics on a regular basis because it's the practice that maintains the skill now if you want to get better at it It's not necessarily gonna work but honestly if you're if you're good enough at those calisthenics to the point where you could a few times a day Hop up and practice a few moves, you know get on a handstand and hold that and come down nothing too Super intense, but just practice it throughout the day. Just doing that your skill will probably maintain Pretty well, but that's there's always a give-and-take with training always He could do a 2-1 also like with like anabolic the way that's structured You could go with two two days of foundational one day of gymnastics and then actually do the trigger sessions, right? Right, so there's I mean for sure that where you're the what you're doing I think is is great and you can play with that and I think and you could actually Change throughout the program as you're going through like if you feel like okay I'm doing more than enough gymnastics You could scale that back to Sal's point and do more of the bodybuilding stuff So I mean I think you actually get the concept and I think that almost every program we have is Very easy for you to just drop a day of Strength training because most the program the only thing that would the program I would tell you not to do with what you're doing is split because split We break up the body parts and then it's so bodybuilding focus It almost doesn't give you too much. Yeah, and you're also gonna end up sacrificing a muscle group If you do that where all the other programs are mostly full body So you can literally drop one of the full body days off and do a full gymnastics Well, even yeah performance was really set up So you have those, you know core foundational days, but in between is mobility But you know there's room there to add in your skills You maintain those skills for your specific sport and you just want to structure it in a way where it's kind of Moderate to low intensity, but you're drilling You know those skills so if you can do that within the gymnastic realm, you know That's totally not one more thing to keep mind of Luis if you're building muscle and gaining weight that will make your calisthenics More challenging and it will likely reduce your skill because you know when you're lifting weights if you get bigger You're fine. It isn't really changing anything, but when you're lifting your body Now you've just made that exercise more challenging and the shape of your body has changed and the leverages have changed A little bit so keep that all in mind, but it's it's not that big of a deal You could always go back to what you were doing before if you really miss it easy to lose muscle I wanted to really thank you guys one of the great benefits I got from doing antibiotics and the skills Days on my days off was that exactly that my weight was basically around the same I was eating a pretty high amount of calories But my body composition completely changed I think I benefited so much from that that routine because before Before tackling and doing antibiotics. I was doing basically what adam was just saying I was doing A bodybuilding routine five six times a day and on those same days where I would work out I would do a 30 45 minute skill session and my body was just hurting Yeah, too much. By the way, when you say anabolic just for the listener, he's he's talking about maps anabolic Sounds like you're talking about taking anabolic anabolic Although it's like you're on steroids when you run that program. That's why that's why it's named maps anabolic So thanks, thanks, louis. By the way, do you have a map strong or maps power lift? Do you have you the one of those programs? I don't have a strong All right. How is how's this split on strong? Is it similar to anabolic? Yeah, like a three day a week? Yep. Yep very similar. So we'll send it over. We'll send that over to you. Thanks for calling. Awesome. Wow. Thanks guys. No problem See you on the inside guy Yeah, I really enjoy these coaches and trainers that we get to You know, I when we all ran gyms and stuff It was one of my favorite things to do was to train coaches and trainers And you know, it's we haven't done that obviously because we have the podcast So it's great to do this and work with people on the front line. I actually enjoy that more than training That was why I was saying why I was quick to take the fitness manager role was I was actually kind of burnt out of training Clients 10 clients a day was excited to actually train professionals. So for most of my career, that's what I spent Most of my time doing was actually coaches. Yeah, but you know, again It's like when you design your routine a big mistake is to try to do everything so you can get everything and lose nothing And you are going to over tax your body and you'll end up with less of everything Your best bet is to prioritize one's type of goal Make that the cornerstone of your routine and then supplement that and then it may change and that's okay Yeah, and fluctuate it like so like do a different focus for a while and then come back to it You know the main goal that you have but you know that way you keep from plateauing I love what he's doing though. I mean, I think his strategy of well, he's obviously a trainer, you know He has an idea. No, I mean when he was laying out what he had done. I think it's great structure Yeah, no, there's nothing and there's nothing wrong. That's why I wanted to say too There's nothing wrong with you running if like you got shredded you look awesome You can still do your calisthenics. You're living the program. Fuck you could run it back But I'm glad you brought up the point too that you know, he's gonna lose something if he keeps building Right because it sounds like he still wants to keep building. Well, you try try doing a you know Handstands and you know iron cross or whatever the stuff he was it with when your legs got bigger Well, you know you gotta grow with it with your skills, you know We talk so much about the whole you know Astagrass and then the you know squat and scroll thing like as I get bigger and bigger It becomes really difficult for me to sit comfortably down in that position So there's definitely a sweet spot of getting bigger and still keeping my mobility You know, yeah, Justin's astagrass squats are like so short range of motion now because his cakes are just they're heavy Yeah, it's easy. Our next caller is Joanna from Canada. Hey Joanna. How can we help you? Hi so first of all big fan or Several months now. I actually got into listening to mine pump after I came back from Deployment in Africa because I was quarantined and had not much to do. So I happened to cross your podcast and have been listening ever since and So basically I got into bodybuilding and fitness a few years ago Competitively before that I would do resistance training but not really with any specific goal in mind and bodybuilding, especially Unilateral training really helped me to identify like imbalances and stuff because I do have a pretty sedentary job And so that really helped um, so my question is I'm ready to kind of change my programming up and I know you guys talk a lot about Um, switching things up increasing or decreasing respirates incorporating supersets Uh changing tempo stuff like that. So before I start to make changes. I would like to know How long should I incorporate these changes until I should see a difference versus If I try it for you know a couple weeks, and I don't really notice anything at what point should I move on and try Incorporating a different kind of change if that makes sense. Oh, yeah, good question. That's a really good question. Okay, so number one when you make a Change in your programming And you want to monitor how it's working for you or if it's working You have to know what to look for. So what do I mean by that? If I switch to a long rest period Low rep phase of training what I'm looking for a strength I'm looking to see if I'm moving more weight or doing You know more repetitions with the same amount of weight so long as I stay within the rep range But usually it's more weight that I'm kind of looking for Well, what if I'm doing supersets or shorter rest periods? What am I looking for now strength is always welcome But I'm not really looking for that. I'm looking for do I have more strength stamina? Am I getting a better pump? Um, you know, am I getting is my technique even better with my exercises while I'm fatigued, right? Let's say my phase is more into mobility and practicing the technique I don't care about any of that. What I care about is range of motion. I have control over Do I feel it more in the in the target muscles? Am I doing better, you know form and technique overall? You got to know what to look for because if you're looking for the wrong thing in the wrong phase Yeah, you might think you're not doing a good job when you are totally like when I do supersets With short rest periods like I don't care about adding weight to the bar In fact in the past when I did care about that with supersets It would really screw me up now. I'm looking for am I getting a better pump better feel Do I have more stamina at the end of my set and my breathing as hard as I did? You know before that kind of stuff Now one thing to keep in mind if this is all you know confusing which probably not for you You've been working out for a while, but let's say somebody's listening and they're like, okay. Well Yeah, that's kind of okay. I got to listen to my body. But you know, what does that look like? Generally speaking about three to five weeks is when you want to switch out of a phase So about three to five weeks you want to move out and that'll prevent you from you know from plateauing That'll prevent you from hitting a wall Usually people wait till they hit a wall before they switch the problem with that is it's a little harder to back out When that happens so about three to five weeks now that first week or two Here's why I typically don't tell people to switch out One you know week one or week two that first week or two, especially if you make big changes is going to suck Like if I go from heavy Long rest periods to short rest periods or super sets like that first week is going to feel like crap I'm just gonna I'm going to do my squats or whatever and I'm going to be like this I I just I'm I'm weak. I don't feel good. It's just because my body Is not used to that so you got to give it at least two or three weeks Before you can kind of pass, you know judgment on whether or not it's working for it Yeah, if you're doing it right in the beginning I mean that should be a major shift for you in terms of like your focus So that way you you are going to kind of go through that period of re-learning You know some of these movements that you probably haven't incorporated in a while So they are going to kind of suck It's going to be a grind and you have to give it ample time to you know for your body to respond The way it needs to respond. So yeah, at least like three weeks a lot of times You're not going to even really feel like you're getting good at it Well, the only one that just the one example you gave Sal where you increase your Time right your rest period that's about the only one you're going to see actually a very positive Impact everything else if you superset you're gonna give me right away Yeah, well when we talk about weight right you get it like because that's like the easiest measure for everybody It's like oh i'm getting stronger right every everything else like if you're getting weaker You're going to feel more tired all if you add supersets you're going to feel more fatigued right If you you cut your your rest period you're going to be weaker like that doesn't mean it's not working Like it's that that's the adaptation that you're you're going after so you kind of just have to trust the process and know that Where you're really going to tell is when you go back to what you were doing before Right, so whatever you whatever you you do most consistently You move out of that messing with tempo and rest periods and stuff like that and then when you come back to that That's where you should feel or notice like the biggest change Well, it's a great point too because I've got a lot of people to reach out like phase two of performance It's like totally different right it's not that you know strength is something that's like you kind of like recognize that right away but being able to Move efficiently in different directions and then be strong and that is not something super obvious right away But it's very beneficial So, you know, there's ways of altering your programming to have massive benefit that aren't like so visibly obvious Yeah, joanna. Here's a good rule of thumb stay in a phase until you feel like you're good at it So that's usually takes about three weeks usually takes about three weeks when you feel like oh, man I'm really good at this and then you can start to think about switching out do not wait until it stops working That's one of the biggest mistakes People make I make that still because I get excited about a particular phase, especially if it's heavy I just want to keep going and then I hit a wall and then it takes me like two weeks to back out And I have to de-load and do all that other crap. So you're better off moving out before you plateau The opposite is true though, too There's a lot of people that will you know, oh, I'm gonna try it and they try it for two workouts And they're like, oh, I don't know. You gotta go longer than that. Yeah, you know, trust the process at least three weeks I like being more like four or five. So and you'll find out everybody's body's a little bit different So stick to it for at least three or so weeks and then and then you can go back and measure how your progress So want to do do you have any of our programs? I have most of your program Are you in our forum? That's why you're in good shape. I am in your form. Oh All right. Yeah, we got nothing to give you girl Don't you do you want anything for free? Yeah, pictures of Adam or something Like last month, so I'm like everywhere. Excellent. Well, we we appreciate you I do have another question though that was in my initial email, okay Um, so it's about my glutes and hamstrings, which I know is like a bikini bodybuilder's Demesis, um, so I have a I have a lot of trouble gaining muscle in my bottom half as well as losing fat there because you know hormones or whatever um So I do have a program that has three lower body and two upper body days a week um But I do have maps anabolic and I'm hoping to start that Probably next week is my plan. So my question is about the trigger sessions Um Should they be incorporated like and I did notice the calendar, but it's They're every day that you're not doing a foundational exercise, right? Yeah. Yeah, but we have we have We have a butt builder bun or do you have that? Okay, you can also do trigger sessions and make them focus on the glutes and hamstrings and then start your lower body workouts With glute and hamstring work. So rather than going straight into squats I would do a glute exercise like hip thrust I would do something for hamstrings and then move into the rest of the walks of the leg work. Yeah leg workout So prioritize Those those, you know target areas always in your workouts. That'll that'll be the best thing you could do The other thing that when when training my bikini competitors is it's it's hard to build too If you're in a cut a lot So you got to be you have to understand that like if you're trying to build your glutes and you're also leaning out at the time The likelihood of you actually seeing your glutes a good point build and develop is very unlikely So you got to put you got to you got to be on a bulk. So you got to definitely increase your calorie intake while you're also Training or switching your programming up to develop the glute So a lot of times when I get these can be bikini competitors and I look at their diet I'm like, well you're not feeding enough It's just it's no different than the guy who wants to build his biceps if He's in a calorie deficit all the time. He could do all the bicep curls in the world He's not going to see his biceps getting any bigger. So the same thing goes for that so I would the calories and then also, you know Being able to have good glute activation in those big movements like the squats and deadlifts So priming the glutes before any of my my leg days for sure Those are the two main keys that I would make sure you're paying attention to you look pretty lean So I think a bulk would probably be a good idea for this for this particular goal Yeah, I pulled out of competing this year. So we're doing my reverse right now And the goal is to move into wellness next year because I think it's the more Sustainable and like yes, don't work with me. I'll crush you with my legs kind of look which I like For trigger sessions though, is it basically any exercise can be a trigger? Yep Kind of exercise as long as it's on that. Yep as long as it's low intensity and you're just getting a pump That's the key that the thing that people end up doing is they turn it into like a workout It's they're designed to be 12 minutes with rubber bands. And so if you are going to do let's say like Glute bridges or something instead of like, you know, rubber band bison curls, which everybody does Just just keep in mind that you're just trying to get like a light pump. You're not trying to really fatigue the muscle Right All right Well, thanks for call. Thanks for calling Joanna. Sorry. We couldn't give you anything for free Make sure you say hi in the forum. We appreciate your patronage. Thank you Thank you. No problem Yeah, good good question about the whole phasing Canada has a military Yeah They just they just go to rising, right? I didn't know they just go to the first person I ever heard They just go to the enemy and apologize Just kidding. Um, you know, good question, right? Because That's the biggest that's still a challenge for me is Knowing when your glutes to move. No, I have actually excellent knowing when to move in and out of Phases like when do you switch? When do you come out? When do you go into? The you know, and especially when there's phases that you just don't have as much fun in so always a challenge Well, that's why too. It's it's a good idea to have a program. So you have something that Puts you on a schedule and a lot of times you can uh, you can go through that and find out Oh, that's why I kept doing this for an extended amount of time because like your own intuition A lot of times can trick you you you said she looked I couldn't see her from here. You said she looked really lean She looked like she lifts weights and she's lean. She looked really pretty well developed from the You know the neck up or whatever from the shoulders. Yeah, all the bikini competitors. I train that was always the the glute hamstring That's everything right for those shows. That's what wind shows for sure for the girls But most of them were trying to build a butt and one they were doing all these high rep exercises Stay in freaking and they're in a deficit. It's like, yeah, they're in a deficit and they're doing all these like, you know Pumping butt exercise. It's like, oh, dude, you're never going to grow that way throw yourself on a nice bulk and go Get get some heavy squats a dead self. Yeah Our next caller is lindsay from new jersey. Hey lindsay, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call My question is is it possible to gain muscle? When you're on a diet with a restricted protein intake So to give you a little bit of a background I want to gain 10 pounds of muscle I'm pretty lean. Um, I have a difficult time gaining weight and maintaining it and I also have one kidney So I had a kidney removed when I was younger because it wasn't functioning properly Um, since then I I'm healthy. Um, I don't have any, you know, health issues I do see a nephrologist Every about six months and I've lab work done just to make sure my one kidney is functioning and my lab or my levels are um, normal Um, but I did ask my nephrologist about gaining muscle and I told him I was eating um one gram of protein per pound of body weight And um, he said absolutely not that's way too much protein for you You should be eating one gram of protein per kilogram of body weight Which would be like 52 52 grams, which is like nothing Um, I didn't really like that answer. So I decided to ask another nephrologist and get a second opinion um, that nephrologist basically said the same thing because I have one kidney compensating for two it's working harder And the kidneys do work harder to process protein. He did say that I eat 70 grams of protein a day Um, which gives me a little bit more wiggle room, but it just still doesn't seem like a lot of protein So I don't really know what I should be eating. Yeah. No, that's a really really good question Kind of tough situation. So it's also the right advice. Yeah number one. I mean, okay, these are experts in kidney health So I would definitely take Their advice, but here's some good news for you. Okay, although high protein diets Have been shown in studies to be more effective at building muscle You can build Plenty of muscle on a lower protein diet. There are plenty of vegan and vegetarian bodybuilders that eat Far less protein than other bodybuilders and do Totally fine. What's the difference in muscle between the two groups? Probably not as much as you think. Um, I don't think you're missing out too much I think the key is to be as healthy as possible. Here's what I would do if I was in your situation Um, I would listen to the doctor, but then I would say this I'd say look Would you mind if I experimented with eating more protein and then could I get my labs done? every few months just to see How things change if anything changes because I did I'm sorry. I did say that to him. Um, and he said, yeah, your your levels are gonna look fine now But I might affect you when you're older. Oh, okay. Well in that case, I would I would listen to what he says But here's the deal carbohydrates are protein sparing. So you're gonna eat carbohydrates. I'm sure that's totally fine Calorie surplus is more important to build muscle, especially if you're eating your essential amounts of protein I would make sure that the protein that you are consuming is of the highest quality This is when the type of protein matters when you're eating a high protein diet, you know, you always hear people say Egg protein is superior. Way protein is superior, you know, animal protein versus vegan protein Doesn't matter if you eat a high protein diet, but when the protein is lower That's when you see a difference. So what what you could do is you could eat the most high quality highest in branched chain amino acid type proteins, which would be way Animal protein egg, that's where you're gonna get the best bang for your buck grass fed beef Yeah, other than that I would I would definitely listen to the doctor because you know a few pounds of muscle Obviously, I don't have to tell you this wouldn't be worth, you know, because at some if your kidneys if your kidney started to Reduce its function as you got older, then they really have to restrict and then it gets really hard. Are you are you falling into the amass programs? Yeah, so right now I'm on maps in a ballad. This is my second time doing that program Um And before that I did maps split and maps aesthetic Have you done anabolic on a uh calorie surplus or have you been dieting or on maintenance? What how are you eating on those? Yeah, I mean, I'm always hungry when I'm on the programs. That's a good song But um when I was tracking my food it was to make sure I was eating enough protein So now I'm not really tracking. I'm just kind of eating when I'm hungry Um Because again, I didn't know like what I should be eating. Yeah. Now you you're you're able to go to 70 grams According to the doctor Yeah, and are you are is that easy for you to do through food? Oh, yeah, okay. I'd stick to I'd stick to animal sources high quality and I'm tell okay, you know, this is the truth now Yes, a high protein diet has been shown in studies to be you know better than a lower protein diet for building muscle But it's it's actually overstated it really is it's not as big of a deal As people think I've worked with plenty of clients who could not eat A gram of protein per pound of body weight because it made them constipated or bloated or they had you know negative Digestive issues we brought the protein down and they built more muscle because it made them healthier So this is this you got to look at the individual I mean, I know studies show generally what happens with people But on an individual basis, you know, like I've worked with vegans who just felt so much better Eating plant-based I could put them on an animal-based diet and studies say that that's better for building for them It would have been worse So Worry about you as an individual and and I know those studies shows certain things But those are general and you're an individual and you have individual needs Focus on that. That'll that'll be your best guide. Lindsay. Are you in our forum? Uh, no, I would I'll say I will we'll send that over to you I'd love you to get in the forum and then actually just stay stay in contact with us And be and start tracking your food get yourself in a calorie surplus I mean the goal here is to gain 10 pounds of lean mass I think you can do that on that protein intake just being consistent with being in a Chloric surplus and run some good programs. So I think those two things I think you're gonna be surprised You're gonna be okay Now, are you limited also like you can't I'm assuming they told you can't supplement creatine? Have you asked? I did. Um, I even asked if I could do like small doses. I said, absolutely not no protein supplements. That's what I figured Okay, no problem. Not a big deal If you get if you're eating, you know, red meat, you're gonna get adequate amounts of of creatine In your diet from that as well But yeah, don't don't worry about what you can't do focus on what you can And optimizing your individual body is always going to be best always and again, I've worked like I said I've worked with many many clients who had negative results or or or negative symptoms For meeting a high protein diet. It just didn't work for them. And so we brought it down and they did much better That's great. All right. Thank you. Thanks for calling in And um, I just wanted to say real quick, um My boyfriend, I are huge fans. He introduced me to your podcast and I've been listening to you guys ever since we started dating Um, we really appreciate everything you do for the fitness community. Oh, thank you, Lindsay. I marry that guy. Thank you He's the one. Yeah, he needs to give me a ring Send him our way. We'll talk to him. I've done it send him this podcast Thank you so much Yeah, you know, it's tough This is the this is the the bane of studies Yes, is that studies will show a general result. That's true, right? There's a true general result But sometimes we get so stuck on that that we forget that we are individuals and if it doesn't work for us Well, then it just doesn't work for us And this has happened to me before where I've read studies on a supplement and this supplement supposed to work And oh my god, it's supposed to be great And then I take it and it just affects me negatively and I stubbornly stick to it because The study says so it's like it doesn't work that way I think you're missing out But really like the point is to get as healthy as possible and then your body will respond appropriately and Yeah, so it's the thing is you want a different answer, right? Because you see that study and you're like, well, I could still kind of pull this off But you know, that's really not your path. You have a different path Well, especially if you're reading stuff in the fitness community because everything around, you know Building muscle in our community is protein protein protein one and a half grams. Yeah, and we're always talking about eating more of it So and actually 70 something grams. It's not bad for a female at all. No Yeah, and I think she's I couldn't see her from here really well, but she doesn't look like she was that I mean from this angle. She didn't look like she was a big girl. She's a smaller girl So 70 something grams is not fine. Yeah, that's not bad at all I had many clients that when I started tracking their protein They were like 20 30 grams a day and we doubled it to 60 70 and they did great They did great built all kinds of muscles. So I think she'll be just fine. Yeah, I'm with you on that Our next caller is Megan from Florida. Hey, what's up, Megan? How can we help you? Hey guys. Um, first off, I just wanted to say thank you so much for taking my question today Um, I recently started listening to you guys Religiously and I actually just purchased matt's anabolic Long story short. I'm a 410 15 pound female and I have been working out for quite some time However, I didn't discover macros weightlifting and all of that fun stuff until about 2017 Also at that time, I've almost always had a trainer since 2017 However, I recently decided to venture out on my own with training macros and calories These last set of trainers that I had who I have the utmost respect for and they actually are a big part of how I found you guys Discovered how low my calories have been and for about a full year I basically did a quote-unquote recovery with them My calories were as low as sometimes a thousand calories a day The highest probably about 1300 My calories got up with these trainers up until about 1800 but I felt terrible on them, which I was very verbal about with them Um, I've done gluten free. I've done dairy three dairy free I did gain some weight, which I was prepared for but I am one of those females that really watches the scale And kind of has a hard time letting go of that number. So I did sort of resist them a little bit Um, as we were about to start a cut I did have to end my contract with them because my husband and I actually moved overseas Um, and so basically here's my question despite trainer help despite eating well Following good habits. I cannot seem to build muscle no matter what I do Um, I can't ever seem to lose my love handles or my lower stomach basically I've also been told previously that petite women have to eat less because we are so small And keep calories relatively low because it's so hard for us to lose weight So what do you guys recommend for petite women? Yeah, I know that last part falls. Yeah, no, okay Yeah, good quiet. Yeah, I know I don't know if you've ever seen female gymnasts They're like smaller than you are and just you know jack, but you know, here's a deal by the way What you're explaining is most people especially most women building muscle is not easy at all It's very hard. It's a slow long process Even for men, especially for women. So it can definitely be very frustrating Now here's the thing that I want to address you talked about eating more and you didn't feel good And then you talked about cutting out dairy and gluten. So I'm assuming when you said you didn't feel good You noticed digestive issues. Is that correct? Okay, so I would address the digestive issues You may have an underlying digestive issue that needs to get addressed and gut Inflammation and gut health issues are a massive wrench in progress. I know this personally, okay It always gets in my way when it comes to my Ability to build muscle improve my performance even burn body fat and when my gut health is good It's like I'm a completely different person So I would highly suggest working with somebody who's an expert in this field Maybe a functional medicine practitioner And I think this will be one of the best investments you can make if you can address those gut issues because then you can increase your calories Work towards building muscle and you probably will get a better hormone profile Some of the stuff that you're talking about like not being able to burn body fat from certain areas not be able to build muscle That may be related to hormone issues caused by gut issues as well And then the last thing I want to say is Always listen to your body So just because you you think you're supposed to eat x amount of calories, but you feel better Eating less and that's fine. You can eat less. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that But because of the digestive issues I would say let's focus on that first. I think if we get that out of the way You'd be very pleasantly surprised at how much differently your body responds a good uh good investment would be Dr. Stephen Cabral like he has a program that he does and I know he can do it virtually with you That can be expensive. So you can do this on your own if you have the discipline to do like an elimination diet You could go that route So if you if but Stephen Cabral would be amazing to help you with the gut The other thing that I would suggest too that I don't know if you were doing with the other trainer Or not Is when you do decide to go in like this the cork surplus is to give yourself Breaks like we always advocate many cuts and many bulks And so if I had someone like you and I and we were only at like a thousand calories and we 1800 that's a significant difference That's double. So I would do something more like 1500 we'd be running that consistently for a week or two And then I'd give you two or three days where we'd actually drop the calories significantly and then go back up to the bulk And so I'd kind of give your uh your digestive system a little bit of a break by actually having some low calorie days Intermittently in there. So even though the goal is to increase the calories get you eating more I would still break it up with these days and you might have just been consuming So high for so long consistently that that's also what was bothering your digestive system too Yeah, and again, it may be the kinds of foods you're eating And maybe that you need to treat something like SIBO Or maybe work on motility, which would be more of a specific You know type of application But if you if you don't get that out of the way, it's going to be very challenging with everything else, especially if those gut issues Persist, but here's the good news once they get addressed Man the the change in how your body responds and how you feel is like it's really it really is night and day Making it makes a huge difference now when you were gaining weight Did you feel though that you're stronger at that point too or was this? Yeah, what did that look like I did I did um I wouldn't say that I was going crazy in the gym. Um, but I mean I was lifting um, I was dead lifting and I you know Like I look back at my app that I logged all of my workouts in and I realized that as I was eating more I was lifting heavier. So I understand that correlation Um things like that one thing I did want to bring up you guys mentioned hormones I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about a year ago However, that particular doctor I didn't really do my research and he was just one of those doctors that oh, it's this So here's this medicine And he put me on a thyroid medicine and then I actually went and had some blood work done Um, I came off the thyroid medicine and I had Blood work done post that and it my thyroid levels were fine And so I'm a little worried that maybe being on that medicine messed up some hormones I don't know if that's I don't know a whole lot about hormone health So I'm not real sure Dr. Stephen Cabral Dr. Becky Campbell would be another person you can work with Um, but so you could have normal thyroid, but you could have antibodies so that the thyroid that you are producing Just isn't working or there could be a dysfunction somewhere else or Or it could literally be coming from the gut and the in poor gut health will affect All of those things as well. So a functional medicine practitioner that really does a good job is worth their weight in gold Okay, all right All right, thank you. Thank you so much for calling in megan. Hey, you know, thank you for taking my question. Yeah, I appreciate it All right. Bye. Bye. Yeah Yeah, that's one of those things it's like You know, you if you have an underlying kind of issue and it doesn't get addressed It could feel like everything else that you're doing right. It's gonna get louder and louder if you don't address Yeah, and it just doesn't work. It's like I've addressed workouts. I've addressed sleep. I've addressed, you know this and but what the hell is going It's like when we get guys And they go to, you know, see their testosterone levels and they're like, oh my god, my testosterone is low No wonder Everything that I was doing, you know, just wasn't working You know, this is we're an investment and someone like cabral would be amazing Totally to me It's a kind of a no brainer for us so long and it sounds like she can afford it She's hired personal trainers and she's she's invested in her health before so I think investing in someone like taking Someone like him for a couple months. I think we'd do wonders for where she's at Totally. Look, if you like our information, you'll love mind pump free.com We have a lot of free guides there that can help you do everything from build muscle burn body fat improve your health We even have guides for personal trainers mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on instagram Justin is at mind pump. Justin. 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