 We are here at the World Telecommunication Development Conference 2014 in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. I am pleased to be joined by Mr Lobner Smidder, who is an administrator of the Presidential Palace in Tunisia, has worked closely with people with disabilities and has taken part in many international forums on various sectors, including ICT, showing how it can assist people with disabilities. Lobner, thank you very much indeed for being with us today. Thank you for the invitation. I'd like to start off by asking you, how do you think that ICTs can help people with disabilities in the workplace and in everyday life? Yes, actually this is the focal point at a, I mean, was speaking about yesterday. ICT, when you speak about information, communication, technology, those three focal concepts are orchestrated around a very important issue, which is life, human life. And this is what I wanted to say to the ICT advisors and delegates and all who are the inventors, the present dents of Apple, Macintosh, et cetera, that we are people with disabilities, we are a layer of the society. We have our own abilities, we are people with special disabilities. So actually the innovation and the standardization and what we see in the ICT and the new technologies can help us to be more integrated and more efficient, I mean, in our societies. For example, when I went to the United States last few months, I saw how at the mayor's office they were using the technology in order to make deaf people as well as visually impaired persons to collaborate and make and work together. And you know a person with disability wants to be himself, to show to the others, I can't do it. I can't do my work. I'm like you. And this is what you want. It's an inducement or enhancement to the other world. It's a message. I mean, face the way for me and you see what you can do. Give me my right and I will give you my insight. So this is what you want to say to the other person. Having a special screen with a person, a deaf person who is collecting the ear or what you call the calls and interacting with people with the same language. This is very, very marvelous. Speaking to a person who is the vice counsellor at the mayor's office and who is visually impaired, magnifying the screen seven times and having so many bright ideas. She's very efficient. So why do we lose those special abilities? This is not the one who is making gear. This is so broad of many bright stars behind me. Maybe they are the voiceless or the unvoiced persons. We have so many people with many abilities. Just give them the chance, I said, to the ICT officers. I told them, just look at us. It's not, we are living in a society which is consumerist society. We are just looking at a profit, I mean, financial profit. But we have to give the ICT its human clock that it has lost within the market and the economic background. And this is what we want to be done here. You obviously have a very specialised view of accessibility. Do you think that NGOs, governments and the private sector should do more to make it easier for people with disabilities to access broadband technology, for example? Yes. If they collaborate together, the private sector by itself can do anything. The public sector also can do anything. But if we shake hands together, let hands be shaken. Why not? And let it be a competition within our own communities. This is what we want. Even the organisations, or what you call the social committees, we have to look at each other as if we are completing each other. We are not enemies. We are not, I mean, competitors only. Competitors in a beneficial way. So we have to collaborate. We have to join the needs of what is in the society. We have to put the feet upon the ground to tread, not like angels, but like a human being. This is what we need. We were talking before and you said that you recently presented a project about disability and tourism. Can you tell us a little bit more about it? Yes. I spoke about it in front of the US department in Washington with the officers of cultural affairs. And it's about tourism and disability. As you can give you some virtual percentages, if tourism can bring one billion tourists, during the 2012 European Union said our one billionth tourist has come. But I said one plus one equals minus two. Why? Because the number of workers at the airport, for example, 49, the workers at the hotel 30, the workers for the needs of transportation, let's say 60, if people with disabilities find the accommodation or the accessibility to get on the plane, to get on the taxi and to travel with their families, it's multiplied. Look, mom is my companion. I need a companion. Imagine some other person, they have their families. So the workers will rise. Numbers of officers will, in all domains, in taxis, airports, hotels. We have, we have our share in the wheel of economy, in the wheel of development, in the wheel of society. All are, I mean, raised. And the hub is the government. If the government or the government in general believe in us, believe me, we can do something which is incredible. And I always say nothing about us without us. We need a pilot product. And this is my intervention here. In my intervention, I suggested a pilot project being presented by people with disabilities themselves, especially who are interested, because we cannot lean on the others. We have to be active, not passive. And we need you. Even, I mean, I quote what you call normal people, or I call myself able people, physically able people. We have to be integrated and included within the society without disclosing the others, without ignoring our own parents, our own directors, our own governors. So we have to claim our rights as well as to be thankful to those who back us. This is what I want to say. And my motto or what I say always, be smart, my strongest weapon. We have always to be ambitious. We have always to be, I mean, to look at life. And if we are, no, actually we are living one time. Who wants? So we have to leave a bright print in this world. And this can be effective through the ICT, I think, since we are living in a world which is like a village. We are really using the smartphones, the internet, all means of technology. We can even do forums. I can visit some places that I've never been able to go through the internet. So I hope that all the, all the persons who are leading the big companies like Apple, like in Taurus, and Samsung, et cetera, think about that because the cost of the computers and the things that are related with people with disabilities are higher in price. Due to the consumerism, there are not many people who are using this, but we need them. Well, Loveness, thank you very much for being here. I hope that it'll prove worthwhile. And we very much appreciate your presence here in the studio today. Thank you. And I wish that Loveness will be not the only one. I wish to see in the future time more people with disabilities being here and participating and having their share in what is, I mean, done in this world. And thank you. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you very much for watching.