 So basically when we talk about symbols it's almost like everything in this world in form. They are symbols that the spirit wants to use to train the mind to see the oneness of it all, beyond it. And the forms are seemingly separate and different and comes and goes, but our lives are just being used to allow the symbols to come and go in order for the mind to start to identify with what is truly underneath it, which is the oneness. You know our mind is so big and vast and is just so beyond this world and this world is trying to present all kinds of evidence to say otherwise. False evidence appearing real, fear, that's all happening. And for us walking this path is to start to develop this discernment and this certainty when we are faced with this kind of evidence we have to be able to say no. So what we are saying here is this is so vast and we can tap into this vastness but we have to be willing to question everything that we are used to in this world because they are here to restrict us from opening up to this vast awareness. It's not the form that is any problem, we have to allow the form to be whatever but it is our calling to tap into an experience that's beyond all concepts.