 It's more been time. Well, it doesn't doesn't really It's too late. It was always too late Fringy Well, it's always late some more Yeah That's a meta commentary on the morbon meme Because the morbon is too late. Well, the funny thing is it's probably true That if Morbius came out when it was supposed to come out two years ago, everything would have been fine No, no, yeah, just would have been like venom It just would have come and gone it would have probably made a bunch of money But not like a whole bunch of money and then you think the additional Jared Leto Joker scene in the Snyder cut made it worse. I think so. I absolutely think that it did wait I think I think people reminded people, you know What wait, what are you saying exactly? I think that much of the Morbius meme stems from Jared Letter and like how easy it is to meme on him in terms of his acting and his method of acting and I think that Joker Jesus just like the mind of people Provided people Is Jared Leto just a um because I don't know anything about him other than he's a terrible Joker and Morbius is bad Allegedly allegedly. I have nobody allegedly please allegedly But has he is he Has he done anything bad is he like a terrible person? I'm so like I have no idea Fortunate I'd seen him in plenty of movies up to the up to the up to more than time and like he was He's been just fine I don't think I've ever seen him in a movie where I've gone like man That movie was made by Jared Leto as in like he he carried it, but you know Maybe it's just like the whole method acting thing No, I think he's he's he's probably the only actor that's been this railed in terms of Process of method he's on I guess it's a matter of if you're if you're method acting There's almost an expectation that you have to be like really good as like a trade-off, you know Maybe Morpius where you would have crutches and use them to go to the bathroom Why would he need to do that apparently held up production by doing this Wait, wait, wait, wait, how many times do you have to take a shit? To where you hold up production of a movie just because you used crutches to go to the bathroom Hey mad long filming hours. I don't know what to tell you like it's all I thought there's really far How long how long? It's poops Far away so that he could immerse himself in the struggle of crutches. I guess I crush grouping He identifies as disabled now. We'll see but he's pooped so many times And I know it's like I think in Morbius the whole idea. This is what I mean. Nobody's watched the movie Yeah, I don't know what the plot of it is except it He's got some crazy illness that's like super debilitating and he walks on crutches and Becomes more His character's name or the creature's name I think I think his name is is Morbius No, his name is Michael Morbius Morbius Michael Morbius Michael Morbius Not what are what would you had alternative surely like Jordan Morbius or well you got a little Many many Morbius that really is a Marvel thing isn't it like there's not many I guess clock can't like the first Can you please tell me where the alliteration is in Batman, right the A's Bruce Batman, that's right His name isn't Bruce Batman you're lying to me Gaslighting him you better stop, you know There I'm sure the jokes are out there But if you live the double life of being both Bruce Wayne and Batman spoilers But there must be points where he's he what he's got a slip one time. Who are you Batman? Bruce Wayne, I am Bruce Wayne bat-brain bat Wayne. I'm Batman What I'm Wayne man This would probably not happen because I have a hard time believing When he shows up in full costume Somebody would look at him and say who are you when he clearly looks like Batman? So I'm really only out and who are you? I am gonna stop who are you exactly in the Bruce Wayne outfit now? Ridiculous if I was out and about doing near do well deeds I like the man shows up in front of me in a bat costume. The first fucking thing I'm asking is who are you? You know how it's like a It's it's sort of like a known thing that our Bruce Wayne is the costume Could you imagine if he had like the Wayne cave that was just filled with Everything that he uses to immerse himself so he has like a little iron man assembly thing for a suit Just to get in so unnecessary He's actually Batman like the Batman suit is him biologically It's acceptable everybody's a vigilante in this world and then there's some heroes who dress up as businessmen walking around helping people out No, see now wait, is there a DC multiverse? Yeah, is it just Marvel? I think they're about we have the flash About that. Yeah, cuz I bring it back Michael Keaton as Batman for that one. That'll be neat So that it'll be it'll be well unless the film's good But it was important that you clarified they brought back Michael Keaton to be Batman because in this crazy topsy-turvy world They could bring him back Oh Remember in ghost bus 2016 they brought back Bill Murray to be asshole who gets killed like yeah, they did he was Asshole who gets killed? He just wanted to sit down in his chair and do his two scenes and then die. We never never saw the earth in you. I Haven't seen after life. I have not seen that one. I I care so little Wow, that one sort of came in wence which is interesting considering it was meant to be like the direct sequel to ghost Busters to say yeah, yeah, all right I all I watch was Red Letter Media's video on it and That's enough for me. It's enough for me. Rags. Did you see they did a review of prom? Do you touch that? No, I didn't did they do we do we do they say it was good or super chaff the truth? Oh God Okay, so let's let them down gently. All right. How do we do this? All right? I'm sorry gentle gentle dear viewer. Oh Sweet sweet patron audience member love of my life my sunrise the water that grow with my crops sweet sweet you Who recommended that we see from Because from is produced by the Russo brothers and it has an interesting horror premise. Yes How very exciting how very excited we were yeah We watched the first and the second episode of from It's horseshit. Unfortunately The only thing they had to get right was characters acting reasonably and they did not have that even close What's that? I told Fringy a whole bunch of the things that happened the free. Did you feel convinced from what I told you? What like that would want to watch it? Did it sound like because it's kind of like I was about to sound like I shouldn't go through all of my from is bad, but from is It's it will be probably for a while my go-to example for Characters not behaving like a person would behave giving given what they know and how I hear it. Yeah How do you take a really potentially interesting premise and? Absolutely ruin it by having every character be just Insanely stupid. I'll do a quick example. I guess to get get people to understand Let's just I'm going rags gonna hear me say this and be like, why aren't you talking about how stupid that is? I'm like look I'm getting to the big stupid, okay? No, it's because I know that you know seven million things to Pick from you can't possibly elaborate on them all The Navi crashes in the woods big big a log goes through it traps The dad and there's someone in there has been impaled and you know, they need help So the cool people in from the local town This is like a mystical place where you get trapped in this town if you ever enter it So they take a car and they're about to go out But but they also lay down a spike strip in order to blow the wheels on that RV when it comes back in for the reason I stated you don't want an RV barreling through town. I don't mean rags to the state. I don't understand the fuck I was I don't understand at all. What like why wouldn't you all just slow down? They even need vehicles there I did you risk a lot. Why would you assume that they would kill themselves and an RV with the families? There's so many things that we couldn't even begin to elaborate on but you know going forward They put that spike strip down and then they get told like oh, they've crashed out there They're gonna need help and like oh shit So the sheriff and the deputy were putting down that spike strip and then the sheriff goes out there So does the deputy the deputy grabs as many people who can walk and run to go back because they have to get To shelter before dark because that's when all the spooky monsters come out and on their way back They accidentally drive over the spike strip because he forgot he put it down Spike strip that they shouldn't have put down in the first place is the spike strip that Critically that that cripples quote-unquote because this show thinks that if in a life-or-death situation This show thinks that if you run over a spike strip and you have flat tires your car is now rendered immobile Which is not even close to true. Oh, no I've seen enough cops to know that a vehicle Come out and it goes a bit flimpy you can still drive Yeah, you can drive that bitch on a on rims if you need to and it will not be pleasant And it will not be pretty well at night it might be pretty because all the sparks, but It'll not be present pleasant, but it would be preferable to getting your rib cage torn open by vampires, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, this is not the yeah There's a lot of that and me and rags we still limit I think episode one But we gave it another one just in case and it was just as bad. Yes. It was purely the premise We were still just enough interested in the premise and what they would do with it that we said, you know What we'll watch episode two will watch the second episode We watch the second episode and it was pain Finished it no more no more Which you know what that's good enough as an intro Hello, welcome to EFAP one one one eighty eight We're here today because we watched a movie that was also recommended by a lot of people and it turned out It was actually pretty good, which is nice You've gathered a prior guest of many episodes mr. Mr. John here who you apparently hated it You said it was the worst film that ever existed, right? Oh, what a piece of shit. Oh my god. Strange much Dr.. Strange is how it's done Wanted to get a variety of perspectives The gold standard of multi-verse movies is dr. Strange Marvel leading the industry. I think that's what's happening Thank goodness in this time And yeah, and and our other guest today is good old destiny who some of you may know I don't know. You also like this film a little bit, right? It's a bit of this. All right Yeah, it's an okay movie. I'd say for sure. Okay, so that means that we've gathered like the fucking avengers to talk about the fellowship all the different things that happened in this movie and why They're there anything from neat to to amazing possibly I wouldn't want to Spoil I was thinking about like we could do the usual thing where we do like a blib about what we thought of it overall but I wonder if How much point there is because I imagine all five of us can have the exact same things to say I figure it's worthwhile maybe Sure, why don't we go? I was about to say with the guest first But then I was thinking like what if he has no clue what I even mean by it And so maybe we should go with by what your impressions on a movie. Yeah, you know, sometimes people can just Forget here, huh? Let me look at that word real quick impressions They got to get it right, you know what fight off you go then What did you think of the movie overall as as kind of a brief brief overview and maybe even why you saw it? Um, I don't even remember why I saw it. I think I just heard I guess the infamous a 24 word of mouth Since they refused to advertise the movies appropriately. I heard it was good One of my wife we saw it and yeah, it was I thought it was a really amazing movie I think it is I Like it because it's incredibly simple. It is incredibly accessible It's kind of like wrapped up in a lot of stuff But at the end of the day, I think it's a really basic story told almost perfectly And then all the different parts of the movie that it tries to do and I think it does exceedingly well the humor the music the Genre bending and everything Well beautiful, there we go. All right, Fringy. Do you want to go next? Yeah, sure Everything ever all once is great It's it's kind of similar to what was just said it's it is a pretty straightforward story in terms of it's got like a really well-defined Small scale core and settle, you know, basically focusing on a few characters and essentially like plights and Feelings that are pretty universal And and in a sense, I guess you could say mundane or normal But then sort of couched within the context of this really insane wacky Like story that's leveraging the multiverse to say something meaningful about the human experience I think it's like probably one of the strongest examples of blending comedy and drama Fantastic character writing Yeah, lots of great humor. I really enjoyed it sweet John what have you got to say? Funny because I saw this in Dr. Strange on the same day, right? I've decided the theater really and I had higher expectations I saw everything everywhere first. Oh And but I was expecting more from Multiverse of man is because I hadn't even heard of everything everywhere all at once I just saw I saw the poster and then I looked up a little bit about it and I saw it was a martial arts thing I'm like, I'll probably dig this Went in blown away. I could not believe how good it was and like multiple times in the theater I'm like, I cannot believe what I'm watching. Like this is one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen but like in addition to being funny also like Like destiny was saying simple yet profound at the same time and what it has to say is so relentlessly positive and true and It's like my new favorite thing movie to throw on if I'm like sad, you know it used to be office space was my go-to movie to for throwing on and I think there's some overlap with that premise in some way like a guy who wants to do nothing and then Finds out that's really unfulfilling But yeah, I and then I saw Dr. Strange. I was like, good Lord this what a piece of shit this is and Yeah, great movie amazing. All right you well I think I saw the trailer and the second in the trailer it gets to The first like splintering of universes. I turned it off. So I was like, all right. I'll watch this I will just because of the I'm a fan of this craziness. This should be fun and And everyone's recommending it and we finally got around to it Man did not expect to enjoy it so thoroughly And I think even when because me rags and free watch it together the first time and Even in the first ten minutes the movie by comparison to a lot of films you'll watch these days Just feels so fucking alive like everything has purpose all the dare I say shots the the choices for sound effects the music all the pieces of dialogue this so Expeditious slash efficient and I was already impressed in terms of it simply being about a family drama Is what I could have been convinced. We were actually getting in full And technically speaking we did but what I mean is like I did when the multi-verse stuff came back in because I knew that was there But I'd kind of forgotten. I was like, all right. Yeah, let's do this whatever this is gonna be and Man, they didn't waste their premise or their their options and I feel that I've seen sentiment against this, but I feel like they leveraged the fact that it was a multi-verse story Very hardcore to talk about some fundamental human nature issues that I found to be very meaningful and can't wait to talk about Yes, very good rags. What do you think? Oh my goodness pretty much? I'm just gonna be echoing the things that people before me have said I have Nothing but praise for this film. I was thoroughly Absorbed into the this cast of characters in the first 10 minutes. It is excellently acted It is a great mixture of different tones. It Made me laugh. It made me cry It made me do all the things that a film Ideally should do it told a story. It had a message. It was artistic all the way through It's just it just drips with personality character. It is It's it's a it's an excellent experience. I would recommend it thoroughly and I am I only hope that this movie's greatness will help encourage for similar things to be made and as we talk about the movie and what happens and All the different layers because this is a this is a movie that Anyone could watch I think and enjoy but the more observant and the more I guess What's the word the more? Film savvy you are the more you will pick up. There's a lot of good subtextual stuff happening here And I've been thoroughly impressed with this movie So wait well With no time to waste. We're probably just gonna get right into the movie. Why not? I know that there's already several people in chat who are like wow you actually love this It's like fine. Let's get some arguments done. Yeah so Film opens with a we're looking at a mirror and they're the family main characters or three of them Doing some karaoke. So the kind of thing where I've talked about before especially when we covered arcane like the opening shot is For movies is oftentimes going to be some kind of major point and it'll come back Once you finish the film to be a lot more meaningful potentially But the cool thing I think to draw from this when you first go through is just the common sentiment about Stories about fiction, which is that is that there's that saying where it's like a window into another world when I think It's more common or at least more accurate to say There's like a mirror and the way it works with this is the mirror Is knocked down as she enters her room and then we move into the mirror to watch the film like I Just think that's a neat flourish for Setting up the fact that it's a great like choice of camera that you know camera movement Yeah, and it's just the beginning of loads of direction in this film that is I think impressive It's fired. Oh, yeah It doesn't give you that hmm aren't we artsy look at what I can do it doesn't ever give that vibe Everything seems like it's kind of deliberate. I was about to say I think that's something that will become sort of more Appearance as you go through the film is like yeah, you thought about like pretty much every facet of this didn't you? Oh, I think so. Yeah, but that alone is a start. You're already like, huh, okay? Because let's just it grabs my attention more when you do stuff like that. So I'm just like, oh sweet And yeah, we just start with our main character doing some taxes But I really like the shot they've got because when her husband Wayman shows up He stands in just the right place. So there's a there's a mirror in the background that can show his face But you can't see his face and like the main frame No, and he takes the form she's looking at and just slaps it down He has like a big old smile and she's just like I think she says Stop playing we don't have the time Which again the first line of any story to me is often very important Feel like the whole film is gonna be making a counter argument to that idea. It's a it's a lack of it's not a grandiose opening for a movie. It's very very down to earth. It's very mundane It's not like it opens with some crazy action sequence or some wild Grab you with the the spectacle. It's very just relatable people talking Storytelling through the environment how people behave how they talk very very very relatable and I House that feels lived in doesn't feel like a set. This is one of the strongest examples Yeah, this is like a set. No, there's when you need these places feel like sets when you guys do this Do you ever are you allowed to reference other movies or do you try not to go for it? Yeah, you're about and forbidden So what when I engage with media one of the things that I enjoy Engaging with media for is seeing like what is something that this like that this medium does Exceedingly well that doesn't translate to other mediums So like a really good example is like anime if you watch anime it has like a certain look It doesn't really translate to like live action well because it's just like a different type of thing I think when it comes to film you can show so much and I give really big props to anything You can tell the beginning of this it almost reminds me of uncut gems It's so tempting I guess when you're making a film that like the first like 30 seconds are here is a narrator You know huge shot to give you an idea where you are they introduce the characters They introduce what's going on. I hate that I hate hate hate films not all the time But like when you have a narrator or when you're doing narration It's so much worse than if you can just give us a bunch of shots to give us an example of like what kind of world We're in and who the people are so I think I think back to the big not to get too far out of this But like the beginning of this movie and this this part of them going forward reminds me a lot of the beginning of uncut Gems where there's no narration. You're not really they don't really hold your hand through You can get a really good idea of the world that they live in and everything going on around them in a way That's really unique to the medium of film, you know, like it's really hard to get this across in in text or something else Visual medium to convey stuff that would otherwise you have to convey through pros or yeah through like narration and like an audio audible form It's yeah, it's like taking advantage of the of the tools you have though. I guess in this case I think it's um You think about like framing in terms of what is our focus right now when we know that this film later on is going To blow the doors wide open. It's like we are focusing on a very specific You know group of characters with a handful of you know, pretty normal tasks ahead of them It was like a lot of it is just trying to ground us right now To learn as much information as we can about like their their life and like their history Before we jump into you know, the crazy stuff. Yeah And what I think is me is that every sentence is gonna tell you a lot where I think in a more feeble script They don't take advantage of understanding. That's what it means like one of the first things I'm and Wayman says to her is I know better than to ask to help you Which is interesting So it's not the most normal thing you'd expect a husband say to a wife That's the thing this this opening is going to establish the issues in all of the main character being Evelyn's Relationships be it with her husband her father or her daughter And they're gonna have to do it real quickly because we've got a whole crazy story. They want to tell But they need to get this stuff Foundationally set so that we can understand why other things are gonna be much more meaningful as they happen The end in the background The family being encapsulated in the mirror like that's the first shot, right? And there's yeah, yeah karaoke together and that kind of like That's everything that will end up being everything to them, right? It's just like that family togetherness and then that does that Jump cut I suppose where they're gone from the reflection Like it's just not necessarily obvious what that means yet if like you're watching it for the first time but on Subsequent viewings. It's just like oh, that's what they were doing like Great, I think so I think I'm using that right. There's subsequent something that follows Something else. There's way too many bongers here for me to correct any pronunciation because you guys You say that as if this ball than one Where's that way too many already sorry to me Anyway, sorry for that. So gooey. Yes So he Almost hands her a form and she grabs it very casually and he looks panicked when she does and it's just like he's still pretty happy Disposition though. It's interesting to find out what that forms about but yeah, he really wants to talk to her about it The We're gonna be spending time obviously just just She's in a mountain of taxes basically which is gonna be an important I guess foundational argument for why life can be pretty painful but we're gonna It's gonna be like a constant motif, I suppose I just say but she immediately just like rolls out all the things She's got to do before her dad wakes up Which is like we need to get the ceiling painted and in the lower floor I mean to get food ready for all three of us and we got to get everything ready for in the The IRS agent and stuff like that and she's asking him for help when he's desperately just trying to show her this form And he tells her that they've set up a fun surprise for the dad tonight, which Gonna be regarding a party and stuff It's all just very normal stuff But the thing you notice straight away, and I thought it was interesting and it'll be interesting to compare with Dr. Stranger actually that's gonna come up a couple times They switch languages in the middle of sentences to sometimes say as many as one two three or four words They'll go into a they'll be speaking like mandarin or Cantonese and then they'll move into English Temporarily and they'll move back now. Yeah, sometimes it's just a couple words It just it it really is a because we this was one of my complaints about Dr. Who strange. Sorry. Why did I even say that? This is what I fuck doctor who dr. Strange One of my biggest problems with dr. Strange a multiverse of madness See you can't even say the name But but how they would go from one language to another in a way that just didn't Feel like that's actually how it would happen. It felt too Jarring and unnatural But this film and well, I'm sure we'll talk about the The similarities and differences between this and dr. Strange It's it's hard not to we were already making comparisons when we were watching it But the way that our characters or our bilingual characters speak to one another They will there's just this natural flow of sometimes a word in another language slips out or they will it just it's hard to It's hard to explain But it feels very natural for the way out everything that they say to each other is in doctor strange She'll complete English and then she'll just do a sentence fully in like Spanish or whatever And the character in in universe has no reason to do it or any for any reason other than to prompt the fact that Dr. Strange does not know Spanish Which is like a comparison to his alter self. It's just like okay That was that felt just annoying and rude in this they keep slipping just into different parts of it with Specific words or portions of sentences feels almost that is dental. Yeah, because it's hard to force that That's something that they would have had to get right probably on a couple of takes You have to learn like your character needs to switch to English in the middle of your sentence in a way that makes the structure Maintain if you were to translate that's difficult and yeah to me it feels like a much more natural representation of how Being aware of multiple languages like because metal does it every once in a while He's he's a go pops on the streaming fronts to what? he can get English confused as well as Possibly wonder what the correct word is because he's not aware of a particular translation So you'll just resort to the his primary languages version Which I think is what happens with these guys is that they speak English to all of their customers constantly But then they speak different languages to each other because that's there Yeah, I wonder more familiar with the ones that they know best. Yeah, and we'll talk more about that For that Here's like an interesting piece of criticism. Have you guys seen John Wick? Yes. Yeah Any of them I think John Wick does something that I super love and I want to see more people do this in film But it never happens is a creative Display of subtitles. I don't know if you remember in John Wick. Yeah. Yeah, they do that really kind of yeah like the colored words the rolling them Maybe it's not appropriate in all cases But this film as we'll see as we go through is like a very I don't want to say artsy film But they do a lot with what's on the screen I wonder if there would have been a more entertaining way to display the subtitles or maybe they just thought you know Like screw it We'll just put the subtitles here We don't want to distract from everything else going on the screen But I do remember when I watched the first run work. It was the only it was the first time my life Aside from shows doing like texting kind of on screen. It was the first time I'd seen subtitles Like elevated to some kind of artistic form and I was like, oh, that's actually really cool It would be interesting to see something more like that but yeah, I Think one of the reasons why they probably went with a more typical subtitle display is because especially the first 25 or so minutes, but yeah, it's probably about 20 minutes of this. It's a totally normal movie It's just people running the laundromat. It's very mundane. It's very down to earth. There's nothing Artistic quote-unquote about it in that sense. It's very just matter of fact and this is just a slice of life this is these people's lives with each other and Maybe just the fact that the subtitles are so plain is I don't know. Maybe that's just appropriate the way it is Now if in each of the multiverses, maybe the subtitles were different that would have been something Yeah, I mean we do a lighter instance of a different use of text in a certain universe But I guess we got someone lighter It's also another part. I don't know. This is a really controversial take so I don't speak Japanese obviously I'm guessing you guys watch that controversial. Well, do you say I'm guessing you guys watch out? Yeah Something so I appreciate what I perceive to be as the authenticity of this the language in the film when I I shouldn't say growing up, I guess when I was in like 1921 I work at a casino that had a lot of Vietnamese customers and People would mix in a lot of just English sentences and then back to Vietnamese and they would do it like very seamlessly Sometimes you even know it was happening So I'm guessing this happens somewhat commonly in Asian households I appreciate that When I talk about anime sometimes, there's this there's this tension between subs and dubs where you want subs because Because usually the dogs are absolutely horrible But like I think you want subs is maybe feels a little more authentic The original voice actors can convey more emotions better because they take more serious over there But there's this agony that I hate the idea of watching a film It's doing so much on the screen and your eyes are glued to the subtitles It actually drives me crazy and sometimes I feel like I get more I watch this movie a second time You can get more out of the film a second time and there are people that are coping right now It's like oh no, it doesn't affect me, but it but it absolutely does There's a different experience between watching a movie and taking in everything that like you have to consider like every single shot You're seeing the director wants you to see it's all intentional It's all purposeful when your eyes are locked at the bottom of the screen reading the subtitles It is like a fundamentally altered experience and actually paying attention of what's going on on screen What so I Locked on the subtitles when you watch it like for the first time like locked on them Maybe not locked But there's a different feeling between like just looking at what's going on versus like reading the subtitles looking back reading the subtitles Looking back reading the subtitles looking back Like it's I think the attention that you have is a little bit different for the film Like I felt like I saw a lot more the second time I watched it because I didn't really have to pay as much attention to the subtitles I know what's going on what they're talking about and then that like the shots are so dense sometimes And so like even one of the things we just skipped was like a picture of like You know like her as a like a little baby with her father and stuff There's like so much stuff you miss when you're even if you're even if you read quickly when you're glancing at stuff So what I would say is that I think that no matter what film you watch the second time around you're always gonna Especially when a film is deliberately crafted, you're always gonna notice new things anyway So like I guess I'm not sure how much the subtitles are going to detract from your experience the first time around so much that like The second time around you're not gonna get as much But here's a question Have you ever actually been immersed enough in like a foreign language film that you forget you're reading the subtitles as in you're that You're like engaging with it on that level that you scan down and back up so quickly that it's like being consumed because it's happened Everyone's not really reminded After a subtitles especially because it ruins like the it's funny because in some ways we listen to that We want the subtitles. It's more authentic But it also kind of ruins the flow of the conversation as well because you're getting like huge blocks of text every time That's not being delivered as the people are speaking and everything too. It changes a little bit I'm not saying it's bad. Just like something I have in mind sometimes when I watch things I guess it depends on how the subtitles are displayed some stories will not just bombard you with the entire line They will stagger them I think spirited away because I was spirited away with the the sub yeah and Like I don't I don't feel like I missed out on anything by doing that At least not so much like especially when the trade-off with a lot of anime is gonna be Like do you really want to listen to the dub over like the original lines the way it was intended, you know It'll always be dependent on because like I know the response to this is like it's just What you know if the dub is bad, that's the problem if the dub is good, then it's fine Which to do a degree is okay But like getting the original because when you read the text and you listen to the way that they're delivering the line Even if you don't understand the language you pick up the emotion Which seriously like why I have not been a fan of watching dubs for a long time Really really really long time and it's I would argue it is mainly because I can't trust them I feel like I can trust subs more. They have a more Reliable result and I really don't mind watching a great movie more than once Actually means I can because I always end up picking up more stuff if it's a movie I think that was pretty hard handcrafted even in the subtitles I would have read them all the first time around but once I get a greater understanding of the context for the whole story I can read them all again and know More so what I can pick into them. I don't blame anybody for picking either But I I just err on the side of caution with how a dub can destroy a story more so than subs typically do With both of them at their worst Yeah, I think especially for anime. I can't speak to other genres, but especially for anime Not to trash like anybody but the dubs are usually pretty bad Like almost Distractingly bad sometimes or like just the speech is awkward. So yeah, I mean I think for most media I think you you generally have to go with subs over It was also like the original performances are gonna be the ones that are the most important to the person Recording or filming or animating whatever you're watching, but yeah, so What I was interesting I was just gonna mention because like I think especially a lot of lesser-known anime are like known for having terrible dubs But then I was actually sorting this out when I was gonna show free spirit of the way I was like, I wonder what the word is on Studio Ghibli dubs and like apparently they are known for having incredibly good dubs to the point Where the community themselves are like they recommend either They're both good to sub and the dub which is interesting because the dubs will often have like famous American actors and stuff Which can be more engaging for people who don't watch many foreign language films but I think that creative use of subtitles can help with that distraction issue as well because sometimes like the Positionality of the subtitles will be like they'll put it next to the person talking Yeah, yeah, yeah rags learn it as opposed to just say much more fans here But next to the person talking or like near the focal point of the image So, you know, it's not always locked to the bottom or you have to switch back and forth Because like this movie moves like it's the shots are dense not only that but it moves at quite a fast pace as well There's very fluid movement a lot of the time they'll scan around so the the world isn't treated as though It's always cut up into pieces. It's one big living world But um, yeah, the subtitle point as well that you often find I think in a lot of movies Especially modern ones whenever they're texting on phones It'll often be that the text looks like the way it would on the phone And it scans up next to the phone it even traces with the phone if you know what I mean, yeah Yeah, I know there's a thing for that a lot of the time these days because it's not quite subtitles It's rather just trying to show you in bigger text rather than showing you the phone because it can be awkward But yeah, it's text. This is what the text would look like It's a yeah, and that's actually I would probably argue that can create a bit of discordance with this film If your first time around the fact that they're switching languages even though you've got a guide with the subtitles and if you turn on like The the English subtitles to it'll mostly have you covered but I could see people even getting confused with that But I appreciate it only having to glance at the subtitles Occasionally whenever they would switch languages, you know, I never when they're speaking about a problem But I guess that's just person-to-person. Yeah, I enjoyed it was fine for me But I could reading and then hearing familiar words and yeah There's a line Where he tries to calm it down she's panicking about all the different things are gonna go wrong and he says your father's gonna see a Happy family and a successful business and she says that's not what he's gonna see and then he says, but it's what we see, right? And it's just like damn Because she doesn't say yes and it just sort of has this wide shot of just Clearly she's not happy But yeah, her dad wakes up and so it just pushes everything forward I think they get a buzzer for customers as in like They live right above their laundry mat as their business and so if a customer has a problem They have to buzz them and they come down the stairs to see them So she's got to deal with that and the dad's awake and the dad needs food like this It's very frantic. We literally like three minutes into the film and it's already just there's so much shit happening And I think that like a YMS has said the same thing I think this it really is a film you need to see twice if you want to gather everything It's doing because it's it's a lot of information for the first time around Which I think is actually really typical of a 24 films, right hereditary was the same mid-summer was the same the lighthouse It's like you can watch basically every hopefully this doesn't turn into an 824 circle jerk I know that's a thing on the internet right now, but I mean damn It's a cool studio But like for almost all of their films if you go back and you watch it a second time You'll hear things you're like, oh, holy shit I guess like minor spoiler for like hereditary But like when the mom I think is talking about like her family or should be like Oh, like this happened to my uncle or whatever and you're like, oh fuck She was in the thing or whatever, right? Like yeah, I think you pick up a lot on that and that seems to be the case with a lot of 824 Yeah To be fair, I haven't seen mid-summer. I've seen hereditary. What did you think of that? Um, do we want to go through all the frames? I thought it was a solid film. Yeah That film fucking that that one do you remember where he wakes up in the house that shit freaked me out when I spotted Yeah Oh in the corner. Yeah. Yeah That was good shit. I enjoy stuff. I got my horror, but anyway so she leaves the room to go deal with the customer and we see that um her husband's looking at a Petition for dissolution of marriage, which is like oh shit and it really Cut strange because of how positive he's been throughout this whole scene very upbeat very friendly And it's just like damn. He's trying to hand her a thing for divorce All right, which will just it'll make more sense the more we go and Yeah, so they've sought out her and her husband and then we get introduced to a daughter who's staring into a Washing machine or dryer. I think I guess it's both Just just losing a Lose it. Let's just just stare in a way, which I think when you first watch it You're just like that could mean anything but when you've seen the film Oh, yeah Yeah, oh Man I took a friend to see this film a second time I felt like such a loser watching the second time because there are parts of the film in the beginning that are really sad But they're not supposed to be yet because the other person understand nothing ahead of it But like yeah when in watching it a second they're like, oh, no Yeah, well, and I love that um It's like this will make more sense to people listening when we get further through the film But she is distracted from staring into the void of the of the the dryer by a girl kissing her like and dragging her out of it which It's so very important to a lot of the things this this film tries to say All right, we're what happens next Yeah, again with the dialogue is the reason I'm getting staggered here is because a copyright I'd like to just fucking play the movie and talk over it, but I can't do that Otherwise a stream will get banned. So the the dialogue again is all very very specific She just comments it is the thing you need to get information out to your to your viewers But how do you do it in a way? That's not just clunky as fuck like a certain other movie. I'm gonna say it's named too many times Okay, so we need to get across to the viewers that Our viewers and the audience of the film. This is Becky. This is joy Joy, sorry. Joy is Evelyn's daughter. Becky is her girlfriend. We need that information We need the fact that Becky is here to try and introduce herself to gong gong the Evelyn's father that is the goal here and It's like you need to translate all of that without being so obvious about it So she's kissed her and joy says Man you look hot like just really normal thing to say and then she says, oh you like the Mormon look Which tells us immediately that uh, she's not wearing the kind of clothing. She wants to she's here to look We are see joy starts to roll up her sleeves. We'll see some of her tattoos. It's like yeah, because she's trying to Yeah, none of this her in a position where this information we able to be best communicated Yeah, I'll like, you know in a way that won't offend him none of its Overtly stated it's all it's been it's happening while she's saying something else and what she's saying is I just wanted you to know that you look hot. It just in case my mom says you're fat or something And and she says I thought you said that that means she cares Which again mine the dialogue is doing telling us something completely different while we're getting a bunch of visuals to tell There's something else like not contradictory information. Just information. It's coming at you real fast Well, it sounds like the what's being what's being told when I hear things like that are you have a couple? That it's pretty clear that her mom has given her Becky shit in the past And when they've gotten into these conflicts joy is probably trying to smooth things over the bags Oh, no, no, no when my mom says it like it's because she loves you Okay, I promise right when the reality is is that her mom is probably not 100% on board with Becky because you're your traditional First generation Asian immigrant parent has a daughter who is gay Plus the mom has a dad that she's trying to like deal with right? That's what I hear when you say things like that So you can see that like if she's trying to make her presentable like hide your tattoos I need you to look as proper as possible like listen, but but at the same picture like oh, no It's not that my mom doesn't like it like she loves you a lot or like that's kind of like what's being conveyed I think with that line of dialogue Well, I just think so much stuff at once and it's kind of awesome that even even if it was Joy convincing her that it's not because she cares in any way she performs seems like Becky's a little bit more upbeat regardless well these two that line of When she says you look fat that's seen as it means she cares about you That is what the mom will say to the daughter. Hey later. Hey what? Stop right there, bitch He broke the rule Okay, I didn't break that one Honestly, congrats So when you have a thought like that put it in a notepad and then bring it up later because yeah, we're not Yeah, just go Once again, I am the lightning rod of hate Victimized flowers around me So what I really like is Evelyn just fucking burst through the door. They were waiting for they both like shocked and kind of thinking about it That Becky goes hi Evelyn miss Wong Which is like just just stand sort of fun stuff and then she's like hi mom and fucking I'm pretty sure We just found this funny. All Evelyn says is I only cook for three people now after cook more No Nice What a great introduction? Yeah, and I think it's like she's just very matter-of-fact and I think like all she has time for in life is work Like the scene could have been easily like Becky giving flowers to the mom is like, oh look I love you and her and the mom's response would be great. I don't even have a vase for these I have to go to the store like that would be your response, you know Yeah, everything it's like some something that has to be so there's no time to stop and appreciate everything It's just the constant grind of life, you know Yeah, yeah, and it's like it's eroded her social cues like completely she's not even detecting what would be wrong here I don't think it's because he's got some like I said problems to solve with loads of them Yeah, and they head upstairs and you've got a Evelyn even says like Joy and Becky are here and then wayman is like surprised that she's surprised by that because he's like well Yeah, we we we asked Joy to translate for the IRS agent and she said she would bring Becky so Becky can look after gone gone while we're gone and It just looks like Evelyn completely forgot about that Obviously because she's dealing with all kinds of stuff Which all of that really does make sense and then Evelyn starts spending the scene trying to find a way around that. It's it's just good to note as well as soon as Joy and Becky enter the room wayman hugs Becky Like he's it's just there's completely different sort of tells us a lot about Something that you'll notice about wayman's and his disposition, you know compared to Evelyn. Yeah. Yeah It was pretty indicative of our yes something something that's a pretty significant sort of moment later on But uh, what's what's not gonna jump ahead this time? Yeah, and then she says I'm fine you can So the Evelyn presents like an opportunity of you stay with gong-gong because my translation is good enough and And Becky doesn't even have to be here like she can go and it's just like this again This implication of like Evelyn's trying to solve Becky's presence here when the whole point of Becky being here from Evelyn's point of Sorry, Joy's point of view is that we're trying to Have it become more accepted within this family dynamic as well as gong-gong finally Understanding who she is who she represents all this stuff. Um, but at the same time she's mixing up He's and she's because of the complication that in she says in Chinese just one word And so it's just one on top of several references that Evelyn's English is not fantastic or at least it causes a problem Well, I I don't know if I I feel like that's just the mom doesn't want to accept it I don't think that's actually I think her English is good enough I don't think there's actually a problem with the translation I think the mom is just like he's like she almost like doesn't even want to think about it because the relationship is so Non-traditional or I guess that's the kind of takeaway there and then she's kind of like you're like well in Chinese It's the same thing blah blah blah blah, you know, it's like I don't know about that one I'd be more willing to agree with you if not the fact there's loads of references throughout the film of her poor English basically Is there maybe well I Hypothetical world where future things like that come up I wonder more is it really the language? That's the problem or is it her attention because I think in a lot of areas possibly where it comes up There's like it's an attention issue more so like are you actually listening rather than like oh my English is actually failing But maybe we'll see I guess yeah Well, you know, I think that's a fair interpretation anyway that she's definitely not taking the time to understand Yeah, we're about to find out that Becky has been around for three years Yeah, and so it's it's a bit ridiculous that Evelyn hasn't taken the time to Learn the pronoun for her like this. It shouldn't be that difficult at that point With someone who because I imagine Becky speaks exclusively English It would be important to at least get some of those bits right, but yeah Yeah, there's the there's just really great moments here of basically like establishing Who needs to take care of gong gong and in the background you have They're saying Raymond says like we can take gong gong with us No, sorry Evelyn says that and women says like does he know we're being audited which We've already got the the line to imply what they want is for gong gong to see they have a Successful business and happy family and so that's like one half and then Becky says oh, I'd love to meet him Like I still haven't and both times they show the reaction on Evelyn's face Being that of very much intense worry because and so it already you can pick up what the problem might be if If you've got enough clues, but they'll make it obvious eventually It's just it's just cool that all the groundwork's already laid the fact that Becky wants to see him and the fact that they're gonna have to take gong gong with them with them Yeah Fortunately for Evelyn the the buzzer rings and so she has an ability to just like oh the customers I gotta go take care of that it's like almost a relief on her face when she has a way to escape this situation part of the part of the problem Evelyn has is trying to ignore these problems long enough to hope that they go away I Even like the the line where Joy tries to say like Becky you're you're really happy and interested to hang out with gong gong, right like and I'm pretty sure What we're supposed to gather from that once we understand a bit more is that Becky wants to be around him For him to get used to it to understand who she is And she says yeah, I always learn stuff when I hang around with with the elderly old people are very wise and Evelyn just sort of laughs like goes because I assume what she's thinking about is how much Like she's gonna change your mind on that when she meets him potentially this is what probably what Evan's thinking Yeah, they come up with a plan Well eventually, but yeah, the customer has a problem downstairs. She's got to go It was pretty indicative of I guess like the nature of their life that when descending this I don't think we see the staircases before that moment like descending the staircases just cluttered. There's so much stuff Yes, and she's This is like a cue to For Becky telling Joy like do do the thing and it's clear that they just want her introduced to gong gong And so this the rest of this scene now is Evelyn just trying to absorb herself in her work while Joy is desperately trying to get her to acknowledge that Becky and gong gong need to meet and You know, she says like this can't go on like this for so long since it's been three years And she says your mother is open to you dating a girl and she's white Like so, you know be thankful for that being the reality on its own nice And I think Joy says she's half Mexican like so You know, this this there's a subtle level of just not even bothering to understand the dynamic Yeah, a lot less than she should know given how long their relationship's lasted Yeah, and then she says that like but there might be something to think about terms of like I guess that lack of information where it stems from I guess we'll we'll get to that again later though Yeah, before you move on. Do you do you know what this Funko pop is who that is? Because it's on the dresser behind her Dean Do you recognize that because I'm wondering if this is a reference to something or maybe a Does that ring a bell? I have no clue If they all have the same faces, but like it's the problem Black eyes Yeah, I don't know Though it is probably deliberate the for all we understand with how this movie goes Yeah, she says like telling gong gong at this point could kill him or would kill him actually and Joy's like no one was ridiculous that you get a So a lot of the characters that start coming in as like tertiary people who are just involved in the The laundromat end up turning back up in the in the movie later So it's just fun to see them at this point. The first one is the lady where she just she just sees her just goes Oh, wow big nose Like another rule break to me Mahler, but okay. Hey That's that's more of a nose before we got there more of a be aware a thing. Okay, this is it's not anything else Geez racism. Um, so you start To what to like she I think there's a line I'll probably jump ahead just a tiny bit here because there's a line later as well But she says I'm giving them my ticket. She doesn't know what it is. She's on the phone She says they don't read minds and a little bit later on like a minute When there's improper change the guy she's talking to says I thought you guys were good with math And it's just like all math I confirm what he says But point being there's these these bits to get added up and even Evelyn comments on it more overtly Once she gets to the to the IRS There's there's tensions of multiple kinds Yeah, the the the main thing I think we're supposed to take away is the fact that it's three years of this And she hasn't done anything about Becky because I assume she thinks it's hopefully a phase Yeah, maybe but again sort itself out maybe they'll break up maybe it's not something I even have to worry about I have more pressing concerns Um as like the the conversation ever gets closer to actually getting to the point someone just moves into frame asking for help with something To do with the laundromat or just distractions ever of course And yeah, there's a guy whose money's been eaten by the machine. So she calls down way wayman to help out Um, and just you just gradually as the scene goes on joy just getting progressively more and more depressed in the background She can't get through Um Until they think this is the scene but there's like I think there's only one swear word in this whole movie Right, it's in that one I maybe maybe there's more the only one I'm remembering is when Joy is venting to her girlfriend and it's like Like it's an appropriate use of like cursing right because they would Swear when talking to each other. I just I don't remember any curse words anywhere else in them There's definitely at least I probably some but I can't reference anything in the future, but we'll see I guess she does say Oh, shit at one point later in the film. I'm pretty sure It's also that's it when that one wasn't there the security guard right before he gets hit doesn't he say fuck Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So I'm there's Yeah Also just as as we go forward with this sort of segment of this first part of the film the The shift in Just how busy it is here We're almost even though it seems to be really nervous She seems to really be nervous no matter where she is because of how much stuff is going on in her life There's this it's it's it's very busy down here People are always, you know talking to her. She's constantly doing this as she's walking She notices was it like a shoe or something in the The in the dryer and she takes that out and she gets upset at a customer for putting Like a shoe in the machine and she just gets bugged We're almost it you get the impression that maybe being upstairs even if it's dealing with Taxes and stuff at least it's almost like a refuge in a way to get away from all this all these people bugger Yeah Um, I think the the soundtrack is helping out a lot at that point as well to just it raises a sense of tension for For an audience member. I think that oh true There are there was a um, I don't remember saying there's a really shitty guy that does movie reviews online That said the soundtrack for this movie wasn't that good. Hey, what a horrible I feel like that's the thinly veiled I just I remember hearing that I was so upset geez, but yeah, you know No opinion Well on the soundtrack Well, I don't know. I uh, I've seen a guy recently talk about the lion king And he was he made some incredibly good points about the soundtrack and that so it couldn't have been that guy I've seen I loved you. I love the 2019 Line no, like you guys you guys called me all the time you tell me every time before we go live How much you really really enjoy it? I really like how much they splice together Yeah, that's art. That's art. That is all that's creativity. Yeah Where where Mufasa it's sometimes his voice was just really bassy all of a sudden just inexplicably And then there's others. I was like a Simba. So it's kind of Yeah, bro It says a lot about the artistic vision It says a lot about the nature of um, you know, like the film industry when even Mufasa You know, his voice is just scattershot because he's just been doing it for so long The artistic combination Bringing them together Pretty brilliant. Yeah, I don't know. It really is this new guest. We got thrown a lot of shade I'm just hoping that um Is discord safe like can we prevent anyone from just jumping in at any point? I hope so because it would be really awkward No, yeah, you have to drag people in here. What the fuck end your camera. You screwed up my screen Oh, no, we had this all No, why this broke in ah I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot how to do this. I'm sorry. How do I do this? There we go I thought it was uh, nevermind. Anyway, uh You're really lucky that my webcam didn't turn on because I don't have any clothes on. I knew you were gonna say that I'm not like completely, dude Yeah, oh my god. That was funny. Okay. I am Um Hey, steven. Hey, what's up adam? Hello? Um, so I wanted to ask you really quick I'm only gonna be in here for like one minute and then I'll leave you back to your chronological breakdown Um, so this is like your favorite movie now, right? Maybe maybe my feelings will say maybe a new crush. I think I think you said it was yeah I mean, it feels like it right now. Yeah, for sure Did you have a favorite movie before this? I really really really? I don't know why there is a movie called pans labyrinth that I super loved I thought that was like almost a perfect. I love that movie love that movie so much But I probably would have said it was that if you push it really hard Maybe I could have picked another one, but um as long as you don't pick interstellar Okay, that's a that's a good pick. Everything's wrong with interstellar and go Not yet one day One other thing So you say that subtitles distract you a lot but Do you watch that many subtitled films because it could just be like that You haven't gotten used to it like I don't know. Okay. Hold on. I'm gonna be okay I did really well in school and I read really fucking fast I know a lot of people on chat are like, oh, he can't read fast I've got like three chats where I just go to any time in my fucking life and in high school I was a 99 percentile reader. So it's not the matter. It's not a matter of being able to read fast or not It's that I don't know how to explain it But when you're sitting there watching a movie like In a perfect world if you're like a director if you're editing stuff Like you're trying to draw people's eyes in certain parts of the screen Even if you can read subtitles quickly, which I can I can read very fast There's still a different feeling and I felt this I'll feel this anytime I watch a movie a second time There's a far different feeling between kind of like sitting there and just kind of Watching and understanding what's being shown on the screen versus even like quickly like moving your eyes down to read subtitles and then back up It's just a different type of experience Some people are I think thinking that I think that like dubs are but I would never watch I don't ever watch dubbed media. Okay, because 99 percent of the time dubs are fucking atrocious I always watch subtitled media. Um, but I just that's something that I I mean like if you're a real fan, you'd learn the language, right? But like yeah, it just you can miss a lot Especially when you're getting shots that are so dense with storytelling when you're having to constantly glance down and read the subtitles It's always I feel like I feel like most films even without subtitles Like there's a lot that I miss on my first watch in terms of how a lot of great films are For sure. Um, sometimes sometimes a scene Visually can be just so packed with information, especially uh things that you can You know pick up better on your second watch like the transformers movies. Yeah Yeah prime examples But yeah, no, I know what you mean, especially I honestly find even with um Here's something that I've noticed is like even with English movies or movies in the English language Um, I watch them with subtitles Because there's been so many times where like I've seen a movie like A billion times But it just needed me having the text on the screen to like really absorb a line Like sometimes I'll watch it for the first time with subtitles because I didn't used to do that And I'll just be like, oh wow that that line is really important Maybe it was like really quiet in the background. Like maybe it was something that was like Intentionally, but just not like I would fight you hardcore on that. I think it's a really bad habit that people get into but For some shitty Yeah, watching English movies with subtitles when I see people do that. Oh, it makes me crazy I think that I think every movie with subtitles I think that people have gotten in this area now I will agree with you partially because especially and I have to wonder I'm 33 now. Sometimes. I don't know. Wait, I'm breaking up No, I say that one more time breaking up is this family and subtitles are tearing it apart Um, I don't know if um, I don't know if it's just me getting old sometimes But there definitely are Nolan is super guilty of this movies that are mixed really poorly sometimes So like you actually can't hear the otters most So I am a little bit empathetic towards people that are like, fuck it Just throw on the subtitles or if you're watching a movie at night and you have to be quiet or something I can understand but I think I think there is a scary thing where I've noticed because my chat watches a lot of movies sometimes where people become Like addicted or obsessed with having English subtitles Even if the film is like understandable And it's like 85 percent of what's going on with an actor is conveyed through like facial expressions and stuff And if you're just reading the text, how are you adam? How are you? I feel like you're missing so much in the movie Can we if it's an input here Can we actually be clear on how long does it take you from the screen? How long does it take to read a sentence though seriously because it's like a split second How much of the screen is your peripherals also like because there's a difference between watching a film in a theater Like close to the front where you have to actually like change where your eyeballs are and like change your focus of like Where you're looking on the screen versus like that's mad if everything's If everything's like further away from you Um, you don't have to look away from the screen to you know See the subtitle like you don't have to look away from the focus of the shot You can pretty much absorb everything all at once You ever play video games with subtitles on Yeah, because I like to listen to them in the Japanese audio You play video games you ever feel like you're distracted from like the gameplay when you have to like check the subtitles Or if if you need to like if characters speak in a different language No, but it's like a different thing like if i'm playing like legal legends or starcraft Like i'm used to things existing my peripheral vision because this is like when you're when you're playing a competitive game The only purpose of that is to gather information like it's a very much a functional thing I need to know if somebody is on the meeting map. I need to know something like that But for art, it's not i'm not just there Like So that somebody can quiz me in two minutes like who moved to our stand I want to be able to like take in like the artistic merits of everything that i'm saying I guess I think video games are all right video games Wow, I figured you might also The tongue I I understand I think I understand what destiny saying in terms of there is a very especially in a competitive kind of sense Where there is like stuff that's kind of on the line in the moment The utility of the subtitles Exists in a way that it doesn't exist in when you're watching a film Only that depends on the type of game you're playing right like yeah, of course. Yeah, I don't yeah I don't have subtitles on all my games. I'm lost because I do I've consumed so many fucking movies of my life and a lot with subtitles I've never felt the difference and I've done both so much I've never felt like oh i'm putting subtitles on so i'm gonna absorb less the movie now You know how like um when you you know those like tests that they'll do whether present you with a sentence where Certain letters are emitted from the words, but like your mind will just fill them in anyway I feel like a lot of the time that just happens with subtitles Like if it's a really normal sentence that doesn't call, you know It's just like what are you doing or something like I don't need to read the whole thing once I see it It's like ah, all right If I was across a bridge, okay Maybe I'm projecting from my own mind at one point watching movies with my audience I got into the habit of watching every single movie with subtitles because it was just it's so easy Sometimes movies are mixed public center. Um, so I started to watch every single movie with subtitles Um, I I read something it might even been a tweet or a reddit comment where somebody's like Oh, if you're watching uh with subtitles, you're not even really paying attention maybe some shit like that And I tried after that I try to make a deliberate effort to not watch things with subtitles anymore And I don't know I just felt like when I didn't that I was more like I'm not just reading a sentence I'm hearing like a line delivered from an actor and it's it fundamentally feels like a different thing But maybe you guys I mean, maybe you're Maybe that doesn't inhibit your guys's ability to like you watch Yeah Where I feel like I'm reading text It just it feels different than like I'm listening for the next word the person is saying that I'm Observing it that way versus like, okay, I read the whole line and I'm watching the actor deliver. Yeah I mean, it's a really good thing. Yeah, you don't really need to like explain the reason why there would be any disconnect Like if there's a disconnect there's a disconnect and that's that's the end of it And ultimately everybody should be making decisions about like what is the most optimal way for them to immerse themselves in the story at the end of the day Mm-hmm I found that I used to get like a little bit annoyed by certain contexts of subtitles So if you know if I read the line before the character says it then you know, especially if you're watching like a stand-up special Um, but over time I just like after just watching everything with subtitles I'm so used to it that I don't even notice it anymore that like in my mind Like even if I read the subtitle first, I'm still saying it like in Generally a way that like the character is like saying it anyway if that makes any sense I know it's like impossible to like it accurately predict that but like there's no There it doesn't feel like there's any sort of like difference in terms of like Uh, me reading it and them saying it. It's like it's a very subconscious Uh Effect that's that's taking place, you know, it's like I'm not feeling that at all I'm curious and when you see movies today in Cinemas or theaters, whatever. I don't know European American Um, when you go to the movies and you watch a movie Does it do you feel like you're missing out on something if there aren't subtitles? Do you find like hearing impaired movies where they have subtitles or depends on the movie? Uh, yeah, I mean like I I would prefer to watch every movie with subtitles Um, I would prefer for there to be like more options for that in theaters at Cannes Film Festival They have uh like everything like French and English subtitles, which was interesting I I just want to quickly bolster like I do kind of feel the exact same way and oftentimes I've seen so many both not on Subtitles, I'll usually find something I missed. I'm like, oh, they said that not the other thing because there's some words Great example is the uh, uh, when you're covering the lion keg And you there was that part with oh, yeah, I was I thought I thought he said something about um, Norse, uh, what was what was one of the things because like I was trying to listen to it over and over again Because I couldn't figure out another good Norse tradition or yeah, and I was like there's no fucking ways I was talking about Norse traditions Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, there are sometimes where subtitles are like absolutely necessary. Um But yeah, I mean like it's I mean I will say going like if you're watching the movie that was made before like 2000 and fucking five or something Like the mixing on the audio is all very clear like they're clearly meant to be heard I don't know why it became more fashionable for like more modern films to where Sometimes I guess we're just not supposed to know what they're saying here Like I think no one even went as so far as to say for like enter so it's like well, sometimes you're supposed to hear the dialogue It's supposed to be an emotional experience like okay Well, they're like key plot points being revealed right now What do you mean? I'm not supposed to know what the guy's saying on the bed when he says he actually did do all the research For the time thing and it was a dead end. I have to know that what the fuck I guess there's a balance because like it's always highlighted the social network when they're in the club And they actually have to kind of like yell over the music. Oh, I love that I love that too and it's like I guess you could argue that you might lose some information But I guess it's a balancing act between clarity and authenticity Yeah That's such a delicate balancing act that scene is because like you have to make it so that It sounds natural enough that they're talking over it But I feel like even without subtitles like you can you can still tell what they're saying and that's mean There is a unless you have like weird speakers that you have the base boosted on them or something Hmm I think this is something horror movies maybe do I don't watch a lot of horror movies or spooky movies or suspense sorts of things But after we watched Underwater I watched it with my folks later And when my mom liked it now we watched this In a that on a tv, you know the old-fashioned way No, the old-fashioned movie theaters the next to an old-fashioned way And my mom liked that movie But my dad he said he didn't like that movie because The sound balancing was so off where he couldn't hear what characters were saying And then when the little the stinger music would hit it would be like overly loud Otherwise, so I wonder if that's a thing horror movies to um, I know the movie we were Ah What was I know we were watching one movie in particular where it was like that where we were Was it Resident Evil it was Resident Evil 3 Uh afterlife where we couldn't hear like any of the dialogue super quiet Rags apocalypse. Yeah, get it right. All right. I'm also Pull W. S. Anderson's fucking mixing. I don't know if it's his or whoever you fucking hide But like the mixing throughout the Resident Evil movies was terrible Do you remember we used to like crank it up and crank it down every time the difference between an action scene in a God, yeah, that's it when you've got like huge differences in dialogue and action is so obnoxious I hate it. Yeah I've got to run and uh do a bunch of Wait, you didn't recording today, so just You didn't defend your musical or Oh, my music. What do you mean? What do you think the soundtrack? Oh, well Talking about someone apparently someone thought that the soundtrack was uh, pretty bad. Well, like not bad. Uh, yeah Well, uh, no, I didn't even say that but I um, I think that melodically Um, I would have liked something a bit more from the soundtrack in this film um My favorite soundtracks that exist that exist are ones that uh, after I'm done watching the movie I can still remember them. I can still have them in my head. There's there's not that much of that in this film Aside from Claire DeLune by uh, da busi Debussy Yeah, the classical rendition and it's like that one's very memorable, right The score is not bad by any means. Uh, the score is very ambitious I love how many different genres that they tackled with this film and it matched what was happening happening visually It was very complimentary for the most part But I still feel like, you know, if we're going to reach like what I consider to be like the top echelon of like a score um, it's Something that I would prefer to be, you know memorable. Um in terms of like a melodic melodic structure So I could feel like oh, I can I could like sing it right now But I I can't do that with this film That's like the one thing that's missing is like being able to do that with the score How much would it be worth if you had something that was Basically almost perfectly complementary to the film like it was absolutely like The best you could have done in terms of pairing the music with the film But it was never in a way that could be like a track that you could take out listen on its own And hum to like and appreciate is its own thing like you kind of can't remove it from the film How much would that be worth? Um Well, I don't what I mean exactly is it's worth in this movie. I guess like that's the one thing that's missing is yeah um It's the Hans Zimmer way of composition, right? Like there's very few songs anybody that says anything different is a cope including anybody here Okay, the reality is is that Hans Zimmer for all three Batman movies There are very few songs of any that you can take out of the film and listen to like, oh, this is such a cool song I'll see like maybe for a couple of you really like it But the reality is is he composes alongside the film and it's meant to be in sure that way So it's a far different thing than like the you know, the archetypical examples John Williams who you have melodies for days that you'll remember for the rest of your life Every single person in here, even if you haven't seen the movie probably knows the harry potter melody Or indiana jones or draws or star wars and you will remember these melodies the rest of your life um The thing is though is like a lot of the star wars music is very much composed to like match the scenes But I for whatever reason those songs are a lot easier to separate from uh from their original sort of purpose and context And listen well, it's different for star wars. So when williams composes williams is writing very strong melodies These are melodies that he's writing. Yes. Very thematic very much match characters and everything Whereas for somebody like zimmer or maybe arguably um Something sorry. I don't remember this guy. This composer's name It's it's a lot more subtle and kind of in the background and you're not running away from this with a strong melody to sing It's just not how it's just not the nature of what you're composed. Yeah I I know exactly what you're saying and i'm not um, i'm not suggesting that there need to be like Full fleshed out themes in this film even with you know, even with the dark knight I can I know exactly what track is playing when uh, you know, the joker starts his monologue There's that like it's almost like I'm holding like a bow sideways to the island That's memorable. That doesn't even necessarily have like A melody to it, but it's like so memorable. It's so like distinct. Um, whereas this um, yeah It's emulating a lot of different genres and I love that Um, but each each of the tracks in this film except for maybe the one at the beginning that they used in the trailer Which I found pretty I I like that one a lot. Um, but every other track aside from the classical rendition Um, it's just it's missing a certain a certain flavor a certain something that would just you know help it Really pop out more for me. Um, and it's not even it's not even a bad score I'm just like this is where I'm talking about what's preventing it from being like literally I guess a perfect movie for me. So, uh, it's not really It's not really a huge criticism Um, that's okay. I think we all still like you. Um Ah Well, I'm gonna run and I'm gonna I've gotta record a bunch of voiceover. Um, there's uh, I won't Say, uh, I'm not gonna break your role and jump forward But I will say the director plays a character And if you don't know who it is that I'll type it in chat and you can say that later because it's pretty funny Very big, uh, Quentin Tarantino vice. I believe is how people would uh, daniel shinert The he plays one of the characters and it's really funny So I'll type that in chat and let you reveal that when you get to it Um Cool. Oh, yeah, thank you. Thanks for pulling in dude. We'll catch you around later, man. Yes. Bye. Bye. Bye You think since Adam's here for 15 minutes, he's gonna give you guys a number score for the entire episode now I hopefully gives us a six something like that. Maybe above I'm thinking we've ended The while soundtrack is very good. So I don't know Um All right, let's just get back on from the loo. Oh did yms county out just just left All right. He was he said make sure rags knows that I said goodbye Oh, okay. That's awfully nice of him. Yeah I hope that he uh I hope that he just does well doing whatever he's doing. Of course, so we resolved the subtitle issue All right, look at that he he even typed it out for you Said bye. Right. What a chad Yeah, what a chad So Evelyn needs to go get the the right clothes for the lady and turns out wayman put them upstairs He said they're happier than you put a little googly eyes on she's like fucking enough of your stupid googly eyes and um While she's like basically ranting she rants a bit It will go go that in a second. Uh, just the camera is just slowly tightening it on um on joy just Gradually losing like her passion for trying to get across what she wants regarding becky But if you listen to what uh, evelyn says She's the the googly eyes prompted to basically say like so fucking bizarre Like I try to solve all these problems that we're having in the in the simplest and quickest ways while Wayman's like fucking around basically and she says like do you know our auditor? He put a lean on this place Uh, like I think for two years or something has been on now and she says uh his reaction to that was to give her cookies cookies like the fuck and um She just talks about how She doesn't know how he would possibly survive without her at this point And while she's explaining all that he in the background on the on the cameras starts doing some crazy ninja shit He's jumping around the the whole the whole laundromat and um the cameras are like screwing up as well I think it says establishing connection. So I Go ahead when when I first saw this I of course I The we we are we we learn about this later on But when I saw this at first I was saying this was a sad moment for me I was like, oh look at how hard he actually tries to do things and it's just dumb luck meant Well, yeah, dumb luck meant just evelyn didn't see how hard he was working And then she looked back at the screen and then saw him goofing around at the very very end and thought that was him You know, and I was like, oh, that's that's really sad. That's unfortunate. Just really loves his job Why why because we're just meeting him, right? So we don't really know much about him too much yet So like if that was a thing about him where he does that sort of thing and she just Unfortunately misses those kinds of you know that that effort that he puts in and she only catches the very end when he's Talking to customers like this then I was like, oh, that that's sad. That's unfortunate What a what a marital tragedy that is I mean turns out it was something else I was going to say that's an interpretation, but I think the music kind of gets you probably closer to what it is Which is this is not normal. What's happening here? Right. Oh, yeah, it's not normal now And he pockets something into his little his little fanny pack And then he rushes back to the to the guy at the machine. It's just like Yeah, just before we move on though, is this our podcast are we are we pro or anti fanny pack? Because that's a that's a divisive accessory. I think after this movie. I'm pro fanny pack I mean, yeah, it does seem like it has multiple purposes or uses I should say All right, because I'm I'm very on the fence. I don't I don't know how I feel about fanny packs What do you need to carry with you as a guy? My I don't know Coins because you want to put them in a wallet Because I have like I've got my wallet my phone and my keys and then sometimes like a thing for headphones Destiny you're america you can you can settle this conversation So do you put your coins in your wallet or do you put them in your pocket? Yeah, we don't use coins here. I haven't used coins in like 20 years. Okay. That's some where are you from? Australia, australia, do you guys? Yeah, okay. I don't know why if it's like in australia in europe You guys have like one dollar and two dollar coins. Yeah in europe They've got like a million different fucking coins too. We do. I don't know. Yeah I think even in canada. They have like tunis. They call it for like their two dollar coin I don't know why in america. We don't do that shit. Okay coins suck here Hypothetically if you had coins, would you put them in your wallet like in a little pot in your wallet or do you put them in your pocket? I throw them at children If I really had to carry coins around they would go in my pocket I feel like I would destroy my wallet over time if I stuffed it full of coins I would end up getting Stuffed your wallet full of what is with americans? Is that what you would do when you take out your wallet and it's just matte it looks like it has fucking cancer What in the world? That's what it would look like. It would take your wallet out. We're supposed to have nice folded bills It's supposed to look good and have cards But in your wallet you take it and it's like all the leather is deformed. There's quarters falling out of it Like I don't understand how you would do that. Okay, so first of all Your wallet's made of fucking paper mache. Like what the hell is going on? Secondly, why are you stuffing it so full that it bursts? That's not you supposed to do. Oh wait, so do you have like three coins with you? What are these to flip if you have a bet coming? I have coins in my wallet If there's any spare change that I get from transactions that require me to use money and that have like What transactions like drug purchases are you required to use cash? Well, so the thing is you sometimes go to these like little convenience stores Would be like, oh, we've got a 10 dollar minimum on like the f-post machine. It's like We call those inconvenient stores Yeah, bro in America homeless people have card swipers on their phones now. Okay, like I've never been who plays and needs you to use cash for like 10 years Look the whole point of this is that it's it's not a matter of whether or not you're gonna need to use cash money It's if in the very rare moment that you do Hey, you got a little like a little spit part in your wallet You can put the coins in as opposed to having them in your like I will say for me what you're wrong about is that in australia and europe We don't have plate-sized coins like we can put several into our wallet without it actually giving you How do we do your coins for me? Are they terminal shields or something? One of them does have an amy on it and it does have They had to be on your money So we got five cents 10 cents three 20 cent 50 cent one dollar two dollars five is like a little binky It's tiny 10 cents a little bit bigger 20 cents is pretty big and 50 cents is a chong as hexagon Do you do you prefer seeing your monarch on the coinage or the burge? You lost a war two on your coinage which is so there's a lot of things because they're one of the same, right? There's a platypus on our 20 cent coin. It's really cool. Oh, that's that's pretty great I think the one dollar coin has a kangaroo on it because that's the one you probably see I'm actually now forgetting what they look like because I haven't had to use coins for like Probably over a year Yeah, we got what we got is we got like uh on the five cent I think it's like a a kidney 10 cents I think it's like a plant And then 20 cents is a platypus 50 cents is a kangaroo And a emu holding a shield see that's fun one. That's all very fun I think an emu holding a shield is a pretty decent That's our like national coat of arms is the emu. Yeah, they got you to do that That's that's fun. That's cool. I like that I approve but I I do I do agree with destiny on the the coin thing. This is a discussion You both be wrong, I don't care if you agree with it voluntarily take the wrong position That seems very silly. And I don't think I would do that I'm empathetic now towards like the fanny pack thing because you need to lug around I guess like, you know 15 pounds Yeah, I could coin for you everywhere I guess in case you're getting you're running around getting all this change there I'm sorry, how is it 15 pounds worth of coins? I'll fill the fuck out of your pocket, too The trousers are gonna have a fucking cancerous. We don't have we don't use in the united states Okay, when you make a purchase there's a little dish that sits on the counter And it says take a quarter give a quarter and you know what if you have coins you just throw them in there You don't carry around change with us. That's just insane spoken like a true bourgeois 1% They give me back like 24 cents and I'm like I keep the change man. I'm a big spender I only give quarters. I never take exactly. Yeah Well, there's nothing but pennies just pockets full of pennies just sloshing now. I realize why britain left america behind just saying Once we find out how they deal with coins, we just left them We're late now depends on how many places you go that uh require you to use at least 10 dollars to purchase things I guess is how much you want a fanny pack so Does it not make more sense to have one dollar be like a coin rather than a note, you know Like how does it make sense to have anything be a coin unless you're trying to hurt somebody with it? Well, I guess what I mean is you think of the natural progression of currency when you know Things used to be like when rent was one dollar like a year, you know, and then it gradually escalates with inflation I can solve it Does it make sense, you know for it to be like a note instead of a coin? Does it deserve to be in that category? It's probably cheaper to Manufacture to to make the money. It's probably cheaper to make it out. I guess I guess Whatever it is that they make out of there's a level of like notes are like, ah now we're in the big boy category You know five dollars. Yeah, like we're in the notes category now and one little money Here's a question Because I can lock you in all right. You need you know, you need to carry five coins with you for a whole week You put them in your pocket or your wallet Put them in my pocket. I don't know. Fuck my wallet up. Why would five coins? Fuck you. What what what wallet do you have? I have a I have a nice. I got a sick ass Have you got another color right here? It's got it holds my cards. It's a it's got a little magnet thing It's a nice leather wallet. It's a good way. Does it have does it have a place for coins in it? No, it doesn't there you go. That doesn't apply. That's just your fault for buying a shit wallet Why would I buy a wallet that has a purse inside of it? I don't understand why you I Can you guys even fit your wallets in your pockets? Are you like carrying these around slung over your shoulder or what Jesus? I sat somehow our culture's figured it out Like somebody asked me like do you have a five dollar bill and it's like let me check I need to go sit down for a moment and take my wallet out and go through it like Jesus unbelievable I I don't know why you find people destiny, but we keep them around we humor them. It's all right and uh But however all of that being said I think that there is something that we can all Kind of unite on in that this is very very good news Babu frik here in the mandalorian season three So I feel like everything finally a character can star in the mandalorian show. That'll be great Yeah, imagine hosting something related to tv or film and think you would give a fuck if it wasn't about morbius Yeah You should have said babu frik will appear in morbius No, only will he appear, but he's the main antagonist He's morbius is I think you have it on the poster it's them fact staring each other down like civil war poster One side you go And it'll be morbius comma to That's the fucking dumber dumber subtitle, isn't it? I'm pretty sure that's what it is anyway All right, so yeah, she doesn't get through to her. Um an airplane just comes back down with the uh With the laundry and so she just walks uh joy walks off to backey and says i'm gonna fucking kill myself because she just can't get through to evelyn um And then she says she tries to explain to backey that hey look If if we introduce you and that fucking kills gong gong, okay, but if we don't introduce you he's just gonna die later anyway um which They're rough, but yeah, uh, and she's really it doesn't realize she's saying that right in front of uh Evelyn who's listening uh backey can see it, but she can't enjoy um And they have this like really it's just bobs back and forth really quickly It's uh us absorbing that she said that then realizing that evelyn heard her say that Then we pan over and realize wayman was listening and he says that's not very nice, honey That just like has a little smile and then we pan over and realize gong gong has actually woken up and he's come downstairs it's like this He just keeps rising in terms of things to solve or or address um And right before all of that happened evelyn was just staring at the tv enjoying the um I don't know if this is a musical or whatever. Uh, it's just like two people dancing and singing and she gets a bit lost in there Uh, which is you know, just flaggable. It's it's it's a commonality. She she can daydream a bit She just wants to get lost in things that aren't the life she's dealing with um Question though is is this Movie one they specifically made for this film or did they just recreate it? I just assume it's completely made up. I I haven't shot it Because they do a gag later. I don't want to yeah, that's But Every one of us has done it except for I still haven't done it. You think I have I I haven't spoiled anything by doing that I um, I'm fine with you guys making future references in terms of like this may come up later sort of thing Like I'm freaking already said you can say hmm interesting. Oh, look at that highlighting a thing I mean, everyone should know at this point. We're only highlighting stuff that's gonna be meaningful That's really clamping down on my artistic vision, but Well, you're not zack snider, buddy. You're not gonna make miracles. No one's zack snider No, he's definitely He's brilliant, uh So yeah, um, they just try and get gong gong back upstairs to give him his um His food but before they can do that, um seems that there's an opportunity here to uh To to perhaps introduce Becky finally because um, he's She's there. He's there. It's all gonna work out, right? And so she walks up to him and says, um You know gong gong, how is your aeroplane? And he says your chinese is getting worse every time we talk and she says yes. Yes He just goes yes like it's And um, I think it's worthwhile at this point pointing out That might be confusing for someone who's I guess like me and doesn't know the differences between cantonese and mandarin So it would be like why she was fluently talking with evlyn earlier, but she can't talk to gong gong and it's like, yeah, so The way this works or the way I understand it anyway Is that evlyn's family as well as waymans are from uh gong yang in china, which is a district that Uses cantonese quite commonly, but um mandarin is the state mandated language or country mandated, I guess. I don't know the idea being that like that's used infrastructurally and educationally, um Like that's what everybody would be taught, but at the same time There's going to be generations that are proudly going to maintain speaking cantonese and so What you have is gong gong only knows cantonese um evlyn knows cantonese and mandarin And she's fluent pretty well in english and that's the same for waymond and then joy Is very fluent in english Really good with mandarin, but not very good with cantonese Is does she speak mandarin much this film joy? There's a couple of lines that she speaks to evlyn in and so I think it's safe to assume that she's fluent in it But I could be wrong When I view these things, so I might be either reading too much or too little into it I think when I view these like language conflicts or a lot of the conflicts that come up between the family I kind of view this as evlyn's existence in both worlds of When when you do this thing where you are a first immigrant asian family and you have children Oftentimes especially depending on what you live in the united states your children are very americanized Sometimes they don't speak the language very well at all. They'll have very american accents They get american interests and these things oftentimes being very western will stand like in stark contrast to more traditional Parents that either weren't immigrants or came over later like the father So I guess I rather than like thinking like hyper fixatedly like was this like a cantonese versus mandarin language differential thing Or like she can understand I think I kind of view this more as just like um It's just another example of joy is just a very americanized girl That's kind of moving away from that traditional asian family thing and evlyn who is also in america Like is still simultaneously trying to hold on to her daughter While also like appeasing her father and it's just kind of like highlighting that weird tension between the two Where joy is like very much often like and as an americanized gay child That is very western and the father is like very traditional and they like literally can't even communicate with each other anymore Yeah, um This is this is something that I think that's that summarizes the actual point that they're going for in this film Really well, which is that they've only created these divides with the the way that they speak to each other As I think representative just communication is really bad in this family Compared to how it could be if they were all speaking one language because even becky in this scene Doesn't understand what any of them are saying It could say when they speak english Um, so it's just really dysfunctional on that level, which is just one of many levels Uh, I just um, I appreciate it because I was reading into it and apparently it is To a degree that complicated because people can recognize that they are using they switching between Um, Cantonese and mandarin and considering the production in this film. I assume that's on purpose Um, well, I don't know if most listeners would pick up on that. Do you think no? I don't that's that's That's almost why I appreciate it more the fact that they didn't uh Signpost it instead it's something that you grab if you look into it sort of thing or if you just have the knowledge on hand Um, and yeah, and then we get what I guess you could call the fact that they've already they're already bringing in their payoff. So, um She uh joy doesn't know the word for girlfriend in uh Well in in chinese, I guess I'll say for the sake of the uh Clarity and so uh her mum introduces becky instead as a good friend And it's uh, it's very Like it's just it's just uh How's he put it like if you're immersed already at this point it's pretty heartbreaking. She's like, ah, that's uh Not working out. Um and uh, again Good, this is gonna be a michelle yo appreciation stream along with many other actors in this but Man here um, her face when she turns to look at joy is like that of you know, that was necessary because it's gong gong but then it drops uh relatively subtlety it subtly because of like Yeah, that probably wasn't the right thing to do But it's like it just It's it's just it just puts the problem down the road instead of having to deal with it Which is that she does not know how her dad will deal with the fact that it daughter is gay Um, which is easy to understand. I would say but that'll just be something nice and established We're moving on Yeah, even gong gong subtle facial changes after Uh Daughter's girlfriend's name. I'm terry becky becky even after when becky is like Gives him a thumbs up. It was nice to meet you. He does the thumbs up back But then once she leaves he's his face just kind of drops and he Yeah, it looks like every every actor in this is good Yeah, it's a stellar cast in this movie overall. You can just sit there and watch them You know No, and I love the fact that we can draw so much out of their expressions. Uh It's it sounds like the kind of thing we'd be like, well, of course, it's a movie and I'd be like even Some filmmakers don't really think about it a bit. I don't know. Yeah, even by Better movie standards. This is impressive. Um Nothing just nothing's accidental It feels like this is a very well oiled machine with many many moving parts and they're all working in tandem with one another Yeah, and so we've We're almost pretty much done with the foundation like it's it's it's they've done a lot of work to set it up and uh Evelyn chases joy outside because obviously Joy wants to leave now because because of all that is just that's like the worst thing she could have had as a result of all of this and um My mum is like Let's talk. I have something to say and you know that both characters know what they should talk about But instead she says uh, you're getting fat. You need to uh Need to be eat more healthy And it's just like That's still kind of not Well, yeah, it just sucks because they they both know what needed to be talked about and uh, yeah just Evelyn can't bring herself to to say any of it and um so joy leaves and The scene is so well executed and it needs to be right because this is the scene that Creates the antagonist basically and kicks off The whole movie. I don't know what you're saying john. I feel like you're you're insane. You know what you mean all women are Talking gobbity gook here, but uh, she I just like how like she's obviously had enough and she's like storms out of the parking lot and then She says that line you've gotten fat and the way she plays off that like she's just Oh, you really had to go there, right? Fuck this and then just leaves like Like so well acted You know I because I got the I got the vibe of like you didn't go there like the this is You I know what we need to be talking about and you're not doing it Yeah, um Right like avoiding the elephant in the room I I just mean like It was like a needless insult and it's just like you pushed me enough Inside the laundromat and now you're gonna follow me out here and like stick that last knife in me like It could definitely be that joy's perception But obviously I think with our understanding of Evelyn. She's just desperate to avoid the actual discussion So she reaches for something that if anything is just really hurtful, but uh, you know, that's how it can go sometimes Yeah And so yeah, that that hits you is just like above the 10 minute mark and That's it. The film is basically said like those are all her relationships as they currently stand and we're back in the um We're back in the room with her with the taxes dad's eating cereal and uh Weima's just asking her questions again reflected in the mirror just being like, what are you doing? What are you thinking about? And um, yeah, I guess this will be a fair question for anybody who's seen this film But when they put hot one everything on the screen Did that did that volume shock the shit out of you anybody? I don't know maybe I mean it was a volume of the music. Yeah, because they now It brings in it's like Yeah, yeah, I just it's it's very obviously deliberate right like this the I would take it at least the soundtrack. It's just the noise of her whole life. Just uh, that's what this is That's how this is all within 10 minutes. How fucking stressful all of that was And for a 10 minute opener this film is dense They are not wasting time Everything has a purpose you're learning so much that the information per second that you're just soaking up Is very very high In 10 minutes, they get you super invested in everybody involved Everyone feels like the real people. This is a very in Multiple ways. It's relatable. It's very mundane at the same time. It's very down to earth Um, they do a good job at establishing a lot, which is important very very important, especially because film's gonna go crazy soon Well, yeah, that's Yes, and it's something that I um that I enjoy so I think we everyone here is saying like on cut gems in good time or Unfortunately, no, I meant to see our cut gems. I never did I'm cut gems is on our list of things to watch Is it is a long long I love on cut gems. It's great. See the resident evil movies though. Yeah, we've seen them There is that yeah, so if you ever We're your guys for that, you know something that's really interesting It's like a big difference between middle-class families versus like working working class families in the united states Is that for middle-class families? there's a lot of time during the day to like Think and feel and have conversations about your emotions and like you have like a lot of space between events When you're a middle-class family at least in the united states When you are at the bottom end of working class You don't ever really have time to do any of that like every single thing you're doing in life is a grind You don't have time to stop and appreciate things or have meaningful conversations with family members or resolve like complicated interpersonal conflict You just you can't really do that something that they do really well in good time and uncut gems and something they do really well in this movie is um through through showing Like because there's no expositioning like that but just through showing like the life of just 10 minutes of this lady You very much get that vibe that when you're in these types of working positions Everything is like barely held together and it always feels like everything's up to fly off But you're constantly trying to like um I guess the expression is spinning plates You're always spinning like three or four different plates at the same time trying to keep everything like and you're always barely hanging on I think they do a really good job at conveying that feeling by the time we get done with the first 10 minutes of this film Yeah, I doubt that it was An accident that when you've got the frame there part one everything It's Evelyn sitting there with the table full of attack stuff all of the laundry All of like the customer's laundry everywhere in the house's mess. It's just like yeah everything is very overwhelming It's like that comes through clearly and like the first 10 minutes Basically lays down the groundwork for everything that you need to understand before the plot begins Because the plot hasn't really started yet You might be able to say that her life is like uh, she's a clay pot holding water and there's little Little cracks that everything's falling out. She keeps trying to Plug them back up. You know for every one two more open sort of thing. I don't know. It's just that kind of life and um Yeah, let that's but now we're on the way to get an audit by the irs A very commonly understood to be very easy and chill normal thing to do nothing nothing annoying about that at all um It's on their way and they're taking gong gong with them. And so obviously we know he doesn't know and they tell him that they're opening up a um second laundromat and um He says like why I think you like he almost like denigrates the idea and uh, she says Or wayman says um, it's always nice to be needed plenty of people need their um their laundry done It's always like all of his dialogue just reflects so much about the kind of person we're dealing with which will become More and more important same for all of them But he does they make a point to show him noticing a quite an old couple Who the let's say the the passion for each other is still very much there Which is very important to consider because he's still intending to deliver a divorce to her as far as we know Right and all visual no dialogue necessary like Yeah, of course. It says it all in that moment Well, and as they enter the um the elevator he says like maybe we should like You know once this is done go on some kind of trip do do something together Wish to me is just a sign that he he hasn't decided yet that he's going to give her that divorce paper Maybe he's still thinking looking for any excuse not to essentially um And uh, yeah, she just shoots it down and so he's just like uh Which uh, again, that's like the last moment in this film where everything's very very grounded because you're just like Just re-establishing all that sort of thing, but The second the elevator closes wayman does a weird thing with his head He's like Goes down and goes back up and then he just has a complete disposition change and start speaking I I'm not sure if this is true, but this Wayman the one we just have seen now. I think his english is better than the regular wayman um Because he's very straightforward or at least he's more um assertive and confident. That's that's like the biggest thing you'll know is straight away And uh, yeah, so for anybody who has no idea what's happening basically it's like um I don't know how else to explain it. It's just like this happens in stories a lot He basically is just another person suddenly and he explains to evlyn There's there's a whole bunch of shit going on that she needs to understand and she needs to understand it quickly because her life is in danger And it's it's just like What because like you got everything else we've just got going on and we're plenty invested I would argue a lot of people would be at this point in the family drama But now we're engaging in like crazy sci-fi fantasy shit And I think the film that comes up as most comparable for a lot of people would be the matrix Like there's a whole world out there. You're completely unaware of what's going on and it's kind of just like, um Pretty baffling. I don't know about you guys, but it took me a while to um understand Everything about how it all works in this film. Um From everything Wayman says and I'm pretty sure that's deliberate like he he gets out as much information as he can In small amounts of time he has with this uh, this guy, which I guess we should probably refer to him as alpha wayman Is the is the way to separate him out from our wayman? um, yeah You may refer to me as alpha rags whenever you wish Oh, great. Just I just won't there that it The offer is out there sigma rags. You mean right? like sigma balls uh Yeah, he um he pops on two earpieces for it And says like hold still and take a breath because you're about to have your life scanned and is uh the phone Your phone starts doing it as well presumably this is uh The earpiece is what he picked up earlier when we saw him on the camera and um The tech is like something that his team has sorted out from The other side of the of the universe like hacking a phone sort of thing. I assume that's how this works mechanically, but Um, she's not really taking it very seriously and then it like activates and it just shows a summary of the biggest moments in her life that defined its path um And yeah, it involves like meeting wayman going to america opening the laundromat and her father abandoning her And then and they actually feel like snippets of a life lived, you know, and not just rushed like produced scenes to like It's like oh, this is just going to appear on the film and for in for three seconds So we don't have to like treat this as a serious production or anything Everyone just get together in front of the camera. We'll shoot this quick. There's none of that like it actually It looks really good and the the footage looks aged And it looks like they did some de-aging on the actors. It looks really good Yeah, I think they try to come for appropriate like like this full by three for a lot of the clips Because I guess that would be time appropriate. Um Yeah, just the quality of the image um It's just less than it is now yeah, um And yeah, uh, we get clips of joy doing like You know I can do whatever I can say whatever the fuck I want to you or something like that and it's just like There's all these the biggest important parts of their lives regarding all the interactions with their family And she's just blown the fuck away and then wayman hanser The on the on the back of a of a sheet he was holding to use as instructions for the instructions to swap issues Uh think about being in the closet that she walks by and then press the button on her thing Uh when she thinks about that, but what he's unwittingly done that you can tell if you if you're just paying close enough attention He's handed her the divorce document is what she's written that on the back of Which um, yes very naturally could have just easily happened because of the fact he doesn't That like alpha wayman doesn't give a fuck about what he's giving her the instructions on because there are bigger things to worry about I'm to write on simple as that. Yes This is more important um Yeah, and you know, they they do it really quick and there's so much shit going on and lots of flourishes for how it's directed And then he just says like I'm not going to remember anything In a moment from now, you know, good luck and then just goes back to normal in this alpha way Regular wayman. He's like wow, what a fast elevator Yeah And Yeah, it's such a like This is the fun of fiction. I find right because it's just like You get the everyday stuff That's definitely um endearing and binds you to it But then you're just like now let's have fun that we can't do in real life like crazy sci-fi shit Why not and yeah, this movie Manages to feel like uh an indie movie like a low budget indie movie and a huge marvel Thing at the same time. They definitely Yeah, I feel they made really strong use of their budget. I don't know. I'll say about that like Yeah, and yeah, like you said, I think that's by design like they wanted that feeling it works so well Oh, yeah, especially the first time they go quote-unquote cinematic. They're definitely showing off almost And after our first 10 minutes sort of sequence when we see how You know depressive she is and how troubled her life kind of is and And we really feel for her There is almost this like you you want the wacky crazy things to happen because you almost feel like we need to get her We need to shake things up for her and get her into a better place We need to do something For her so these kind of crazy moments For us, it's almost it's just like this will be good for her something new something that's out of the ordinary Okay, and then we get introduced to uh, Jamie Lee Curtis's Deidre. Um And the line we introduce we introduce whether she says uh, Mrs. Wang. Are you with us? Which I guess I appreciate it throughout the whole film. She's pronounces her name wrong, which is A nice touch. I guess because like I think you would intuitively read the name and say Wang when uh, They all pronounce it as Wang like because that would be how it's accented. I guess, um I like that uh because Deidre Is quite a character. Um the more we we get through it because yeah The first I assumed from this that she was going to be quite one dimensional Just the asshole irs agent, which kind of is for at least a little bit. We'll go over it. Um, that is one dimension. Yeah So, yeah, she basically hilariously miserable and frumpy. Yeah Oh, so well funnily enough actually, I think I have the image for this they um I was checking out discussions on this film and apparently uh The director or maybe even costume designer They were looking for like an authentic look for um uh An irs agent and apparently they they searched for it online. That was the way that they got their ideas for the um Uh, the look and apparently like someone on whatever discussion threads for this did the same thing And they came up with this this lady and it's like man that that actually looks quite like possibly where they got the inspiration from Oh Let me go to irs agent and just google it and see if I can Just scroll down and find it That would be interesting, but yeah, wow That's really interesting. What are they? What does an irs agent look like? I'll google it And uh, yeah, it was really neat. I think it's that J. B. Lee Curtis Is pretty damn good as well. She she commits pretty hardcore to this role even though it's absolutely arguably pretty embarrassing Um But uh, I really I've always appreciated her in movies when she pops up, but um, it was just nice to see her as well so She goes over the problem here and that is that they're uh, their finances are all fucked because she's been trying to get loads of tax write-offs, um, Evelyn by claiming lots of things like They're being a singer a novelist a chef a teacher a singing coach and a watsu technician Which is like aquatic therapy, which I think is hilarious that that's how far it's gone And so obviously the irs are just like this is bullshit at this point and um earlier when the guy was asking for his accurate change because Uh, she gave him change for his his 20 getting stuck in the machine Um, she actually says to him like we'll give you interest next time. Um Because when we're not doing so good right now, so she's been Trying to charge a little extra if you will from customers while also trying to get tax write-offs meaning they're just they're in serious trouble. Um Dead wise Of course, but yeah, it's like something that's also kind of cute here with all the reference to the other careers It's very subtle, but in a way it kind of foreshadows a lot of the rest of the movie too, right? Yeah, because like right now it's a joke that it's an obvious fraudulent thing that like, okay Yeah, you're a singer you're a blah blah blah blah blah, but um, maybe that'll be relevant later on Uh Yeah, she uh, she starts getting so frustrated with the whole conversation that she starts to wonder And then she thinks about looking at the um the instructions and starts actually doing it Uh Which? Um sends her into the to the closet in a different like so the the visual this is what I was talking about that they use in the trailer Like it splits her like glass style Um into two different universes at once, which is just Probably as straightforward as you can get as a visual for helping people understand what's probably happened here Which is the your consciousness is now spread across two different worlds at once. Um One where she decided to go to the janitor's closet and the other where she didn't Um and in the janitor closet universe, she's able to talk to alpha wayman who's currently there And he gets to explain a little bit more, but at the same time this is like the first time we've uh Done this so her mind isn't exactly dealing with it very well And we get a lot of really cool camera flourishes. I really like and they do this a couple times I'll try and point them out So she's like in the universe as you can see it on screen with with deirdra But then she's pulled out by William and in her universe until it pans over and then she's with him in the in this one they make like the the The element that uh takes you out of your current world appears in yours To drag you out they do that a couple of times and I just think it it's a really nice way of making it Um seamless I guess they didn't have to Great use of glass And uh in in camera effects like uh, I watched a little bit of bts on this and they they did practical In camera effects whenever they could and cg is used as like uh An augmentation, you know to like whatever they can't achieve practically, which I always appreciate. That's how cg should be used, you know and uh, it's just good that evelyn is such a fun character because Wayman is like, you know, the world is at stake. We need your help and then she says um No time to help you very busy today. Like after everything that just happened to it. That's all she says like I'm very busy Yeah, it was almost like that's her default reaction to a lot of things. Yeah, I'm just busy. Yes. I'm just I just I'm busy. I can't do it fade of the world. Yes. So what is this fucking crazy absurdity and she's just like I got enough to think about I don't want to do this multiverse shit Whatever the fuck this is. Yeah, and another thing I love about it is how generic it is at this point And uh storytelling wise, right? So Wayman just says there's something that's destroying the universe It's gonna end all of them. You're the only one that can stop her. I've been searching for you for ages It's such a like, uh-huh. I'm the chosen one. Yeah All right. Yeah, why not I guess, um Yeah, I just I just love that that's where we sort of start with like the craziness, but um Yeah, uh This is like if she keeps splitting back and forth and it's like costing her um The irs is agent's patience because she comes across as vacant like and just disrespectful and stuff and um At one point, um She summarizes her problem as like even if they don't Uh put her in jail It's gonna be tired. She's obviously gonna have to pay a huge fine for gross negligence And then Evelyn says uh later on well, she says at that point You're always trying to confuse us with like huge words And then the irs agent's like you were supposed to bring your daughter remember And it's just like reminding you of how that's fucking not a possibility with everything that's happened. Um, yeah But on top of that we then cut back to the other universe and she asks alpha wayman what gross necklaces are Which uh, it's so wonderful of all misunderstanding. Um And yeah, um, he basically tells her Both in both universes alpha wayman tells her there is nothing more important About uh than than what is happening in this universe right now And uh dea dra also says there's there's nothing more important than the conversation we're having right now and uh She's presented with basically a choice to commit to one or the other and she just says I'm thinking because um, she gets just what I like about this is she gets so distracted because wayman basically explains to her that like this is um This is every failure in your life every missed opportunity all of it has been leading to this moment This is this is where everything has brought you and she like really appreciates that and like smiles at him Because it's just a nice thing to hear that like it was all for something Yeah, yeah, which um feels like that's pretty heavily sort of indicating that a theme that's going to be thoroughly explored going forward Yeah, he says like with every passing moment. You fear you've missed your chance to make something of your life I'm here to tell you That uh everything has led to this don't let anything distract you and it's like It's like the first thing he says I think that really convinces her like wait, maybe I should Take this a bit more seriously Um, but before she even gets a chance to commit Someone bursts it was trying to burst into the room and alpha wayman gets his fucking neck broken and uh talk about like Just raising them stakes straight away and get us to believe the fact that what he's talking about at least That's some merit and uh, yeah, she gets her head knocked in by like a pipe. I think I um Yeah, funnily enough is deedra as well. Oh my goodness. So at this point, I mean it doesn't stop here, but like There's so much you just don't understand about how any of this could possibly be working Um, it's kind of the nature of of any story that's unraveling because it keeps you going with them Just fun stuff to not understand but I was gonna say as well another flourish for like What I was talking about with converting them from one universe to the other Like deedra just stands up in between them and says missus wagg with a sub to a spotlight order And then it cuts back to the universe like you get fun stuff like that with stuff That doesn't belong in the one universe appears and it's actually just a visual Yeah, they mix together and they use the visuals to imply that in a lot of different ways between the mirrors and How the odd just gets kind of caught between the different versions Yeah It's gonna do that sort of thing because of course, you know, everyone's really confused And so, you know, we kind of get to share in that confusion things aren't quite lining up as they should Yeah, make us feel as the protagonist does. It's helpful to do that and share the journey. Uh So yeah, she's like screams when she's hit by the pipe But she goes back to the normal world and everything's pretty normal. Uh, just just chill and so, um The deedra asked her to sit down and says All right, everyone's looking at her. Yeah, you got um, you got until 6 p.m To resubmit because this this is not this is all like they've made mistakes with their submission And she's gonna give them a chance to resubmit which uh Pretty kind of it and it looks like she attributes that to the fact that she's got a big Container of cookies next to her and she thanks a wayman for them Which is just pretty interesting thing about since earlier she said that's like bullshit. Why would you even try that? Not even 24 hours to go through all those receipts Mountains of receipts. That's the thing. I assume what she's referring to is resubmitting what needs to be a tax write-off Okay, so like don't lie or supply the proper justifications for the things that you're trying to use as tax write-offs because um There is a poster in her laundromat that says that she uh Uh, she she does singing lessons Or speech lessons or whatever so she probably is trying to find more ways to make money But she might not have the proper documents to like Incorporate it into a taxes like s. I'm not sure What I understood to be the essence of like the fraudulent element is that she keeps confusing business for pleasure, right? Which is Like totally understandable. I think for someone like her because Like because they're both one in the same For her she kind of like lives in that laundromat Yeah, just be a total uh, yeah, even that are a total just not quite understanding how taxes work Especially if you have business and you have business expenses and you have all this stuff going on Not necessarily maybe simple for a lot of people Yeah Yeah, and she's all work no play. It seems to be her existence Right now as well. I'm not gonna help but um, I didn't I didn't really get like a Deliberately deceptive practices vibe what I was getting was like she made an honest mistake about What was business what was pleasure and she shouldn't have written off this thing? I feel like it was pretty deliberate I was gonna say When they have you're saying that she's got the the water thing water therapy It's like so she's made that up shortly. I assume. Oh, okay fair enough Or maybe not made it up But like I guess like for if you do taxes in the united states and you're self-employed kind of like One of the big memes is like how much can you write off? Yeah, it's like a business expense So like if I you know like if I go if I fly to go visit my mom and dad Maybe I like do some emails and then I'll tell the IRS like well, that was a business trip I was working, you know, it's like one of those things we're like, maybe it's not like 100 fraudulent But you're like you're pushing as hard as you can into it Um, I think it's pretty consistent. I'll tax fraud. Yeah, of course, obviously never never Never tax fraud applications for here But I'm I think it kind of fits with the theme of her character of like basically trying to push everything off as much as she can Yeah, even if it's like a little bit of lying Yeah, like this is my daughter Joy's friend Becky like hey iris like I do You know, this is all my businesses like it's just kind of like kicking the can down the road indefinitely without actually It's not about being malicious. I'm sure about that. Yeah I don't think Evelyn is like a mastermind of trying to get as much money She because this is the thing I think she's genuinely trying to make it work at the laundromat Yeah, of course Yeah, for sure Um, that's a great point makes sense. So what I quite like about this as well is that they've got That big basket she came in with the the one she's wheeling around She's got all of her tax notes in there and all the receipts and just everything to do with her submission Um, she's walked off now with gong gong because she's just stressed out and panicking as a result of all this universe splitting shit meanwhile, um, it's obviously on Uh, waymond to grab The the taxes in the basket, but he spots that she's dropped the the rules for all rather the the directions for how to Get into the other universe. Unfortunately He sees it for what it is Which is the divorce papers and so he thinks that she's been acting really fucking weird because she's read that now And so that reading that makes him panic and he forgets the um the tax submission which is some in um Somebody might not pick up because it can it can explain what's about to happen next a little better because this is all very much So much miscommunication between everybody that causes something big to happen. So it's happening quick. It's very quick things happen It's it's a it's very appropriately paced series of events And he says that detail. Yeah the assumption that she read it. That's That's cool So he's he's like I know why you're acting strange and then she she assumes He's saying as alpha waymond that I know like you've now Understood this a bit better. And so she's like what are you talking about? and then he shows the The document in such a way that she could see the the rules that he could see the divorce paper side of it And so it means different things to them as which is a fun little little like way of doing that But obviously it doesn't last very long because they figure out Yeah, can I comment on this? I fucking hate it When entire shows or movies are based on a stupid fucking misunderstanding like this I'm so happy that they did this and then they cleared it up at like I think like yeah, they clear up straight away Yeah, I hate it when they're like and everybody's seen those episodes of sitcoms or movies Where it's like the person's like, I don't have time to explain and it's like no you do like take like 10 seconds I explain it and you'll fix the whole movie. Why would you not explain this right now? I'm so happy this wasn't like a misunderstanding that went on for the entire movie And I'm glad it was like a thing and it happened and it was okay. Jesus Yeah No, this is one of our big problems with like I was saying earlier from that show was like people You have brains and you have words use them You can clear this up very quickly and efficiently if you would just if you would just talk And just explain things Well, yeah, for whatever because writers want a plot to happen to give you context for that Destiny because I'm pretty sure you'd understand this so like the premise of that show is you get caught in a Bind where whenever it goes down to night time that the vampires come and kill you and there's people trapped in a car outside in a Forest they have to get into houses with talismans to be safe from the vampires But that's all new information to anybody who gets there they arrive at daytime and crash All of the characters who are aware of the vampire shit don't tell them anything until the vampire starts scraping at the RV from the outside and then they're like So there are people who arrive at night time don't let them in And it's just the most like why the fuck wouldn't you have told them how everything works way ahead of time? Because now it's just funny because you picture yourself in that sort of situation just like um Like we got to go we got to go we got to go we got to go and yeah, it's very frustrating to see characters Just not behaving with any sort of urgency when lives are on the line I also don't know about you guys, but I just like if someone was like, oh, they have vampires out there I just be like, yeah, okay Like sure there are anyway Uh, yeah, so she says like you you're you thought you were in the elevator and then he's like, yeah I was in the elevator because he's just fucking confused whatever she's saying Um, and then Deidre is seeing getting up in the background looking fucking furious And uh, you might be like, well, wait, why is she so angry? And it's like she's carrying the the the basket and the whole point Is that Deidre's annoyed because she gave them a chance to resubmit and they haven't even taken back all the stuff They need to resubmit So it's like they didn't listen to her in any way shape or form. Um And you know irs agents, they're not exactly a forgiving people already. So she's uh She's like we at e-fap. We love the irs and all of its agents Yeah, I sorry. I meant they are totally forgiving people. She was just she said I lost last straw. All right enough and um Yeah, it's it's funny because this dialogue like Evelyn's saying i'm not ready to fight that uh Away, but it's like well, maybe we have to fight like because obviously they're just talking about completely different things, but uh yeah, it's like, uh He's kind of because we're not sure as an audience exactly what Deidre is coming for I think you can easily forget because it's relatively not signposted the um the resubmission stuff So it might be that this is just Deidre's like the one from the other universe we saw and she's actually coming to kill our characters and so it's you know, it's it's time to To face your fear or whatever and um Obviously the dad's been listening to their conversation, but he can't make out what they're saying because they're actually Spending a lot of it in uh pieces of it in english and so he's just like why are you bickering? Why aren't you dealing with all this shit that's happening in this building? And um and he says like all you ever do is run away from your problems Which is this is intentional right the um the reason why I think did you mention this that the dad thinks that I don't remember if you mentioned this explicitly But the dad thinks that they're here because she lied to the dad and said we're applying for a license to expand our business We're gonna buy another laundry mat Yeah, so I think she's trying to intentionally keep him in the dark about the tax troubles by speaking english by Obviously skating as much as possible. She doesn't want her dad. She wants him to think that things are going well She wants to and you know, it's just a good example of um You're communicating It's something that's like pretty easy to mess the first time around but you're communicating a lot about what's going on in her head Right now just based on her decision like what information she's going to tell him What she's going to admit and like how she's even going to convey it like which language she's using Stop text strong. Oh really strong because uh He Well, we'll get to it in just a sec. I actually I got to show the pay off first which is fucking great So you have a irs agent jb lee kirt is walking up to her to tell her she's done something wrong She just pushes past wayman fucking punches her. It's just like And then I think what rags wasn't when we were watching it. It's like you assaulting an irs agent. This is like, yeah, you're fucked now Yeah, and of course wayman's just beyond shocked but um before she like what I really liked about this is that She would address that situation. She would talk about the split universes and how he did it But wayman makes clear to her He's divorcing her and the second he does that all that shit doesn't matter anymore and she just focuses on him um And I quite like it. They do this a couple times in the movie like the um the interpersonal drama Because it's just that potent and that meaningful to the characters that it can actually Uh have them temporarily forget of the surrounding area being like you've got likely a security force coming to stop you now You're probably going to go to jail for what you just did on top of the fraud that she's going to accuse you of Sort out uh meticulously with what you've got is your submission On top of the fact that you've had someone tell you that the multiverse is coming to an end or something and you're doing They can stop it all this shit's going on but when she reads that he's divorcing her Uh, it all goes away temporarily. I guess and man, michelio's performance again Uh, yeah the both of them Pull you back into that uh interpersonal stuff really well. Um, again, I would I wish I could just play it But I youtube don't let me do that Before this when she's still talking with jamie lee curtis and she's like jumping between that and the scene with uh Wayland in the closet Like she's she comes back to the exchange with jamie lee curtis with a genuine sense of terror like Like you can see like she's so scared in her eyes like what the fuck is going on Like I can't handle this like uh, I feel a lesser actor would have just been like Played it with just kind of a cheesy bewilderment other instead of just like actual Dread like she did Like this is so destabilizing like I don't understand what what the fuck is real anymore like We have um just really well done. Yeah, it's a lot of I was gonna say a lot of go ahead and go ahead you go ahead In terms of characterization I love the fact that the first thing she says when reading there's a divorce is who gave this to you It's just that she wouldn't believe for a second that wayman would divorce her Um, and then of course he says nobody gave it to me, but go ahead and saying there There's there's so much happening such a small amount of time and so much of it is strange That you can it it justifies kind of their delay and their Why why they kind of linger for a little bit and sort out this sort of thing and it's something that a lot of shows Just don't do something a lot of months. Maybe just don't do It's like it's sometimes like a really hard to justify a moment where characters can just talk But right now you've got a crowd of people surrounding Deirdre making sure she's okay And she's calling security and security are on the way like there's no You could have someone try and I guess pin Evelyn down, but she's clearly just standing talking to somebody now. So Yeah, the world is operating like it totally should all around them because they're not having the personal drama that she is and She is so that's why she's delayed. It's not like people are Hanging around casually when there's something very very important to do for no reason whatsoever And I appreciate that she's about to start the sentence your brother gets a divorce And so you think divorce is okay. She she's about to say that In chinese and then she stops looks at her father and then switches to english Again just keeping up the facade like she just doesn't want him to find out anything to do with the the happy family or the functioning business Also, it's it's it that's what her mind goes to You know you get you got divorce papers who gave these to you. Oh your brother does it now. It's okay for you like that's that's what her Mind goes to first. Yeah, it can't be it can't be that it's right for them at this point or something Yeah, it's it's not about, you know me or us really it's it's definitely we're looking outwards first Yeah, and uh with what we understand about wayman like this is the first time as well that he Seems to be much more emotional about it because I think up to this point You might be able to infer that it seems like He thought this was best and that it wouldn't go over too tough But obviously Evelyn's taking it incredibly badly. Um Well, it's in his fashion He doesn't even really truly want the divorce, right? Yeah, because I think that the um the example that he gives was that Did he say somebody at the church? I think he said somebody in their community Like they tried to do a divorce and through the process of having that conversation They were able to figure their problems out So like yeah, I'm sure he's even still holding for the idea that maybe just this conversation will move their Relationship forward in a positive way. Oh, yeah, he's definitely not happy about this. Um, it's very much, uh I it I it kind of sucks that this might be best for us. Well, I think um Part of the reason why Evelyn would be like wait, you're not divorcing me I mean it's because like yeah, why would he I mean he obviously has affection for her, you know Like he he cares about her a lot Like that's pretty I feel like that's got to be evident even to her even given all of the stuff that's going on in their life Well, one of the first things we saw was them talking like as they would, you know very very plainly and you know to one another so Yeah, they seem to it's It's not this overt kind of this just isn't working out and there's clearly strife between us. It's more of something something lingering That maybe you know, Evelyn wouldn't even and he says the he can't get Like he struggles to get conversations going with her about stuff like this So this would does that things I do force it at this point. Um, I don't really have the time to talk about their relationship Because yeah, and if you constantly busy Yeah, you you've got the taxes you got the business you got the daughter you got the dad You got all this stuff you have to do your mind not even think to think about. Oh, is our marriage okay? Yeah Use maybe you take it for granted. You don't even think about it. You just assume things are fine Maybe because something explicit hasn't been brought up And like this long work happens a lot but like that is we're getting to peeking the actual time they can finally talk about this and Alpha women takes over and just says I told you to stay under the radar that sort of thing and it's just like the there's almost like two two switches we can have here or two tracks like the you could call it the plot versus the the character and like the You know alpha women trying to save her from being potentially attacked by the um, the cult of I don't even know what I'd call them the Jobu cult for now. Uh, the It's like this has caused loads of attention to come to uh Do Evelyn and so he's back And like before she can even deal with all that stuff He tries to drag her away and the security guards have arrived And we're also at around half an hour in so probably they probably felt like it's about time for a Little bit of an action scene maybe Say 30 minutes in is a good point. Yeah um Yeah, and it's just like as the security guards are approaching She's like panicking the dad's confused, but alpha women's just pretty pretty fine. He seems pretty confident and um In terms of maximum confusion for this film for like a viewer here Is the way this scene unfolds as everyone's probably familiar just uh The security guards ask him to just get on the floor with their hands behind their back and uh Alpha women seems to refuse and puts on his little earpieces gets out lip balm And eats it Which is very confusing. Yeah the first time around you even get the guy being like, sir Like why would and yeah as a viewer This is one of those things where it's just like how are you going to contextualize that What the fuck could that possibly mean that will make sense later? But they'll do it by the way if you're a regular chapstick user Don't use red chapstick because it will make your lips more red over time Really clear chapstick. Yeah It's so great because it's it's not dry lips It's not always what you reveal, but the order that you reveal it in and the the exposition that explains Those things like biting the chapstick that comes after but like you have this one here before that Exposition dump where she's like, what the fuck is he doing? And then you follow that up with this crazy fight scene and the obvious point is to just make the audience go What's yeah, what is happening? And then you find out and it's like, oh, okay And it's actually it actually makes a surprising amount of sense Well, yeah, this was so fun. So you like And then they have this again a flourish that it's so cool for a little direction But as his head is tilting down the aspect ratio changes uh To get you into a more cinematic view Which um, it's almost like a signal of like, oh, shit. We are getting a fight scene then because it just feels appropriate at that point Hey, uh, order 66, right? That was a cinematic experience How you know it Yeah, it was I'm not seeing instant praise from you guys about that game. I don't know what's going on here Never played it. Oh Bring you played it, right? Which one sorry order 66. Yeah The video game Yeah video game The best-selling game of 2005. Yeah, just they had a really good grasp on how to make things cinematic I Don't think I did. No. Oh, you did. I guess that one. I think it was uh evil Evil within as well was a game where they just had black bars put on Because that's just it's more and to the point where I think you know Didn't people hack it over gameplay? Yeah It was the order 86 because I they uh, I figured yeah 1920 by 800 because that was more filmic Um when in reality it was because a ps4 couldn't run like what they wanted to render Oh my god, really? That's true that you can mess the resolution the way I think typically for whatever reason we tend to perceive wider aspect ratios as being more epic like if you see something in like a Like a three by four aspect ratio like the box almost it's whatever But the wider a shot gets like for some reason the more epic we interpret it So it would yeah, here's the thing though How much of that is just because we know that that's what films are versus television You know how much of that is just conditioning in a sense It could literally be conditioned But we are conditioned that way to feel that way that when we get when the aspect ratio changes in that way Or when we see those wider aspects for some reason just feels more Expansive or something. Yeah, especially we have tentpole films like laurence of arabia or like all the westerns and shit like that You do think of wide aspect ratios in that kind of way Someone said i'm going senile look it just shows how much my brain's been fucked by star wars. Okay, that's that's it All that was Four to six six is better than order 86 six. Okay Anyway Yeah, so this fight happens and I mean really, you know, I can't play it. So what does anybody have say about it? I don't know the floor is open Um, um, this would be like the first of what we're gonna see a lot in this film, which is very creative and clever like it leveraging seemingly bizarre like everyday objects and integrating them into fight scenes Um, which is a really cool choice Um, something kind of makes it. Yeah, go for it. Yeah, it's because it's something that they said that I totally believe 100% afterwards is watching Um, there might be future fight scenes. Who knows but um watching any of the fight scenes in this movie very much feels jackie chan inspired Um, uh, yes. Yeah, like jackie chan fights are always like it's him versus some number of people that seem more Equipped there's like usually cool prop work or cute stuff going on. It's very rarely like a straightforward fight fight fight fight fight There's usually like clever integration of props into the fight scenes in the choreography or whatever Um, I very much got that vibe watching This and potentially future fight scenes in the film Um, you could I think I read later that apparently they were planning on casting The mother's role was supposed to be for jackie chan. That's right. Yeah, but yeah after reading that Yeah, looking at how I don't know who did the choreography for these fight scenes, but it must be absolutely jackie chan Aspired for a lot of these It's gotta be well, certainly this fight I genuinely got like a full sense of it just the fact that he's using such an unconventional Prop to his benefit it feels yeah, yeah jackie chan as well Something we see here that's um really fun when you see them fight scenes is um a level of rhythm Like it it feels like uh, a lot of the actions are kind of synchronized with the music But it's not even like quite that it would be like that um each movement kind of has like Exactly the same amount of time separating them. So really it feels like bouncy and Um, I guess it it feels consistent in a sense It's it's I feel like it's kind of hard to describe how it feels but like there's something satisfying about that Think think about all those fight scenes that are ruined Like the all the disney fucking fight scenes that we have now and a lot of marvel fight scenes a lot of fight scenes in general Where there's so many cuts You don't know what's happening. It's just like someone punching someone else I guess and it cuts it is someone punching someone else cuts and then there's a kick then there's cut and and you're constantly changing You can't keep track of things. You just know that there's a fight happening And you just have waited that stems from uh, probably either poor choreography or uh, the inability on the part of whoever's doing it To execute all of those and what's just when you when you have like a wide shot We can see everything that's happening with no cuts That just indicates like a level of confidence in like your own ability to capture all of this and to To do all of these actions and to get them right and I probably took a lot of tries to get a lot of these things right But I mean it's impressive. I'm not going to say uh, they're perfect fight scenes Or I think some not even that great at fucking judging choreography perfectly But stuff like there are just some scenes that we can all be like, oh, well that would didn't make sense Oh, that was fucked that is why would they do that? Why didn't they use this that sort of stuff? But one thing I really like about this fight is that he opens it by Throwing the the fanny pack into like the main security guard guy hits him in the face And then later he throws it again at him and he ducks To avoid it this time But it hits the guy behind him who then hits the girl behind him in the head and it's just like really satisfying and um I mean yeah, and a lot of it matches the music It's a super high energetic fight scene with loads of satisfying and fun choreography on it And you could follow what's happening He does a thing and then there is the result of him doing that thing and your brain Doesn't need any help to just link the cause and effect of this fight together And it's it's just so easy to follow and it's so nice to see a fight scene where you could just Go along with what's happening and your brain doesn't get confused and give up And I like that it's a prop not just grabbed randomly from the environment and improvised with Like it's tied to his awkward husband slash father persona, you know, yeah, the fanny pack He's making a fanny pack as a problem Yeah Yeah, we got like oh, we'll go ahead the the impacts are no joke I mean the like some of the the way they fall sometimes like it looks like there's some real neckbreaker You know impacts on the floor people landing on their shoulders Like they must have guys trained to fall like that I think so. Yeah, because the way that they It's a little it's unrealistic how some of them react to some of the hits It's heightened for sure. Yeah, all like in a certain way to not injure themselves too badly and also to to make it look cool Uh But it was it's it's very fun all the way through to just watch it happen. You could track it it gets the point across It's it's very impressive and it's fun Well, yeah, it's just fun. You just enjoy watching it. I like that there's like a Uh a break between in the middle of the fight where they're all just struggling to get back up refocus Fucking understand what the hell is even happening because there's random guys beating them all up with a fanny pack and he drops in a gravel from um The fish tank into it to make it uh, you know hit harder And yeah, the first hit he hit someone at the head. He goes like flying three meters in the air. It's uh Definitely not trying to fully maintain a grounded physics with that one, but whatever he probably would have been fucked by it Yeah, this and some other things that will come up later They're not trying to hide what they are And so you can accept it in a way like it's clearly we're having fun here There's definitely a lot of uh bending physics in this Um, yeah, I just like that in reaction to that the guy goes. Oh no craig that he looks back at Uh way, but he's like fuck Forgetting from what he's in the middle of a fight and he gets hit in the head again Um, yeah, and and he just racks them both with the With the fanny pack with the last one. He just keeps doing his like spinny spinny spitty spitty with his uh They get the guy fucking drops his uh They called truncheons The um the the like night stick things Yeah, I can't remember what they actually like what what are they really called? Yeah, the official name uh Batons, no, but yeah, I was let's say a I think all those names are valid It might be referring to different versions or something A truncheon a short thick stick carried as a weapon by a police officer. It specifically says noun british Oh, okay. That makes sense. Well, all right. Yeah, no one calls it a nut calls them truncheons here So I guess it's a more local thing. Hmm a truncheon. It sounds like a weapon name. You call a weapon a truncheon And yeah, so he's cleared him out And I was so impressed with this actor Like the way he not only the martial arts, but the way he kind of switches from like the awkward dad To like this hyper like this almost super heroic Guy with like very controlled movements of his body And I'm looking at this guy. I'm like, I know this guy. I've seen this guy somewhere. Where do I fucking recognize this guy from? I'm like, that's not short round. Is it it can't be no way Like if it is where has this guy been not only short round from temple of doom But uh, the gadgets kid from the goonies. She doesn't remember from that. Yes, exactly Like where is this guy been this guy's so fucking talented When you said gadgets kid my mind went to mr. Inzaspis our inspector What it is basically is that yeah, because he had those like oil Oil slick and all these things attached to his wrists and his ankles or whatever Go go gadget fanny pack. He even had like the gray, uh, trench coat like inspector gadget does I think Well, there's something wonderful about the fact that at the end of the fight scene he does like a really cool, uh, move to reconnect the fatty pack on Like it Slaps around him and he could it's just like the fatty pack the peak of not cool Like trying to be bad ass as fuck with it. I think this movie fucks around with that a lot, which I really enjoy um, yeah The juxtaposition if you will and yeah, so he heads back to to evelyn Walks out. Yeah, I love a little walk here. It's great. It's like And she sees him. She's like, uh um Yeah, and I think what was cool about the question she asked she she's gonna say What is going on but she starts with who and then what's going on because like it's almost like the more important question for Right now is who even are you like how like rather than the absurdity of everything she's gone through um Like the more pressing question because she does care about wayman and we didn't split on our focuses Which is uh throughout the movie. Yeah, he just says like, um I'm not the one that's trying to divorce you and it's like you got to focus either We we move or you can just sit here and wallow in in the consequences of your choices And uh, she says I just want to sit here She's just like refusing the call everybody your bingo list for the hero's journey. This film goes right through it You don't have to do it, but it's neat that this film does do it Um, and so yeah, he drags her off and we're getting our this is the most matrix part of the film. I think um Because it's like he's even talking to someone on his little thing about getting the right exits To go the right places to get the information on where people are in an office building It's just like oh, I feel so feel so that the aspect ratio goes back to her. There's another tainted franchise There's definitely a lot of nods to the matrix that that fight reminded me a lot of the lobby shootout You know confronting the security guards and Absolutely, there's going to be a future one potentially that uh, we'll definitely make some like thematic references to the yeah for sure And even the whole We I guess we haven't really gotten there maybe in the future in a few minutes We'll get there too, but this constant calling of um, we're getting to like what is really the climax of the matrix Um, where it's like she needs to believe she has to believe she needs to do the Which was like neos like thing whatever Yeah, and our the irs agent well now I never mind future. Yeah, yeah And so in In again like presenting a more standard approach with the story. I think is what this scene is It's like we go back to the world where she was killed along with alpha waymen at first in the alternate universe and it's like the What we would have to assume are the villains have got like a little black circles on their foreheads and they're like Welcome, you're about to experience the the glory of joe boutoupaki and it's like It feels so much like a villain introduction scene like vader walking in in a new hope sort of thing It's like, ah, so here's our bad guy who's gonna wait everyone's gonna have to deal with sort of thing It felt like the scale of like Thanos being introduced but But with like a low budget feeling at the same time. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like, oh, this is eight people in an irs office. Yeah Yeah They built it up so well Yeah, and she's just like Already showing off. She's incredibly powerful. She can like switch everything about her at will Fucking around with all kinds of different things um And yeah, and she walks up to the Evelyn of this universe who isn't actually quite dead yet and uh, I think she like Taps with her head and then she spams through a whole bunch of universes And uh, then they show a visual. I think of like a fruit exploding and um There's just blood coming out of her head and stuff Which as a visual not going to make a lot of sense in any way she perform right now But it will once we find out what's going on And the one thing I haven't actually really got any explanation for is she ends up in like a baby outfit Um, I don't know if that's just a matter of the fact that she was pushing it through so many of the multiverse That it just it fucked with the clothes or if it's meant to mean something else But um, I'm not sure about that one Yeah, it's like a glitch almost where she's wearing an outfit from a From a vision. Yeah, I don't know Um, and yeah, uh, some of the de-address says when introducing her is just like the rest of your miserable lives This is nothing more than a statistical inevitability In relation to meeting joe boo and that she's seen all she knows all and she knows what makes you tick What fragile branches yourself? Your self-worth rests um It's like you get an idea of what these these these this weird cultie people follow or maybe what they're thinking Uh, but joe boo says it's not her um, and if you remember wayman says that uh The one that we're following is special in some way. So Just building up their references This is the this is the cult of dawn beverage. Oh, no, do you think? I mean, I Is that what he's up to? Uh Yeah, then we get one of the cooler pieces of directing for traveling through the multiverse. I think anyway Really up to you guys or whatever you pick is your favorite, but Um, joe boo the the bad guy realizes that she's got to be close by Multiversally And so when she says that again the aspect ratio starts to come back in and she tilts her head back and forth Like she's switching channels And the visuals change based on that as well And then she ends up in the in the universe. We're familiar with and they really don't waste time with this They reveal that joe boo tupaki is occupying the body of joy eveline's daughter Dun dun dun And see the fact that we get that in like the first half hour It just it's just like, yeah, there's a lot They're gonna be doing a lot more with this story than you might have assumed because you'd think maybe a payoff Like that might be saved for later, but uh There's no need with what we're gonna be doing in total Yes, and a lesser film we would chalk it down to just not knowing how to write a story dramatically, but Uh, not the case here Um, yeah So then we get a lot of this is probably the most expositional film gets because it's really just trying to explain a bit more about How everything works after having all that fun. Um Wayman says every small decision that's made splinters your universe off into another one at the same time like with the decisions and um Uh, eveline is the one Who invented the technology to travel the multiverse in the alpha universe? That's where he's from Yeah, and uh, they they they were just trying to pioneer it and work with it and just connect and Talk with other universes until one of their jumpers A girl was pushed too far And her like mind essentially spread across the entire multiverse as a result of the uh The the pushing of it and now she intends to destroy all of the multiverse and kill everybody in it um, and he just introduces a name as joe boutapaki and uh Eveline says you're just making sounds up, which um, it's funny at this point That's like three different movies that have made that joke now Um, it felt new a little bit of a while ago, but wasn't it like infinity wall that um words made up Yeah, that was one of them, right I think it was it wasn't infinity wall Yeah, it was yeah, it was it was they were going to like never never the leader or something like to go get storm breaker Yeah, it's like yeah, it's a made up word all words are made up. Yeah And then um, it was in uh, the suicide squad as well, right? He said um, I can't remember that one He says he says your word your name is letters. All names are letters or something like that It's just a similar kind of joke Uh Yeah, you know, it's good stuff. Anyway, he says yeah, they're uh The bubbles are getting like if you think of the multiverse as a series of bubbles like to represent each of the worlds she says, um Well, sure, she's like destroying them, but there's loads of them. So whatever leave me alone And then that's where he like reveals it but he also says that like the the nature of her plan is being felt all over the universe, um And he says your clothes never wear as well this the next day your hair never falls in quite the same way Our institutions are crumbling nobody trusts their neighbor anymore and you stay up at night wandering to yourself. How can we get back? Which don't build up the major themes That ties into us. I guess what you could call the core theme, but we're just starting to stack them on a little bit Yeah, and you know a film that wanted to try and do this but did it in a terrible way Which one the the very often forgotten Uh wrinklin time Don't watch it one out of ten that it's the one out of ten movie that we always forget that we watched and we did a whole If I would say it's worth seeing for the cabbage monster But I think it's worth it's worth watching to laugh at how marvelously terrible it is on every level I average monster sounds funny. She was great. It was Reese Witherspoon turned into a cabbage monster for a proportion of the film It's um, but we had no idea what that film was doing really You had giant opera in it at one point. That was fun to have giant opera in it um Anyway, something that's interesting about this is the first lines he has the uh The clothes never wear the same way and your hair never falls in quite the same way either like the next day same way They are lyrics in a song and I was curious so I decided to go listen to this song because it's referencing and um It's called a story of a girl the actual song that the lyrics are taken from and the following up lyrics Are uh, this is the story of a girl who cried a river and drowned the whole world While she looks so sad in photographs. I absolutely love to when she smiles, which When you know what the movie has to be We're not gonna recognize the song if you don't sing it. You have to sing it. I ain't fucking singing it get used to it Except this reality. So yeah, uh the the song itself is something I like it when media does this It's like you don't have to but if you did like oh man You get a little bit of an implication there about what maybe this the story could be about as opposed to what we're being told strictly It's about a girl. Yeah, maybe uh so Uh Where where where do we even go next? Where does this film go? It's so many places at once so anyway Um, they're they're moving through the building to try and get out. I think uh, at least some level of safety But they walk past where he is What you say sorry You mentioned as well like because we have this Did you mention when he he takes some gum off of like the bottom of a desk and starts chewing it Yes, and he uses the machine again to gain new yeah new attributes Yeah, I don't think he's fully explained the nature of that yet. Just the yeah, because we still like the fuck's going on There's just more weird behavior that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense, but we'll end time right um I can't remember. I might be wrong about that. I can't remember if they've explained the whole slingshot thing Yeah, but it's fine. We'll get to it in a second. Anyway, probably but yeah, they walk past Deidre and She apologizes for punching her in the face That we just watch her staple a receipt to her head It's just it's just like why now that's not some irs symbolism That's what they're all about. They worship the receipt All hell receipt they staple it to their head. That's how you get the job. They have a ceremony and everything so He's like run run run run. She's verse jumping and it's like and then like her um The nature of her body changes, uh Which I think for this I don't think Jamie Lee Curtis is this let's go this much of a part belly in real life So I'm assuming it was like some kind of filmic thing where it's like a thing that deflates No, it wasn't I read about this because it does look like a prosthetic, right? Yeah, but she's had said in behind the scenes footage. Nope. That's my actual belly Oh, I was so desperate for this role. It's like, please let me play this character And she just used her actual belly. Yeah Well, I mean, yeah All right Um, but yeah, okay, huh like she almost looks like she's gotten taller and leaner And she's like fucking the screams just coming after him. It's like, oh god And so, uh, we need not quite the true lies physique, but uh, no It's been a while. That's totally fair. Yeah. Yep. She's only like 60s now, right? So Must be yeah, at least not slowing down because right now she's in a fucking action scene. Uh, yeah Wayman needs to Get some kind of ability And so he's talking to his people back in the In the other universe and they they just tell him like you can have a break dancer an acrobat a gymnast or something Like that and he just goes gymnast and uh, they tell him he's gonna need to One in eight thousand probability. He needs to cause four paper cuts on his hand And uh, there's just this great bit. I am Johnny Knoxville That'll be pretty tame for jackass, I think Oh, that's something that they didn't jack. They did do paper cuts in jack Between the fingers. Yeah, what was was it like a like was there anything else to it? Was it just doing that? No, it's just a little bit. No, it's just it's just dumb shit that they did No, because they did it indifferent because they're paper cuts on there between their fingers And there's a paper cut cuts across his lips, I think Paper cuts between the toes. That's okay. It's fine. It's okay. Imagine it. Correct. You brought it up, right? You mentioned it feel it reg Um, but I mean he's he then starts doing the paper cuts But like he meant it's a lot harder when you're trying to do it on purpose But then eventually he's like whittling them down and she's getting closer Well, just there's that line though. He says paper cuts only happen when you are trying. It's impossible But eventually he finds a way and then they do like a really cool embellishing of the fourth one where it's like a big sweeping gesture of blood flicks all over the screen. Yeah, and then um Press the button gets those attributes and they have a big old fight. Well, not actually no He does not get the press the button Oh, that's right. Yeah, he doesn't press the button and then she's about to do like a bane move on him Backbreaker, I think they say He gets he gets a handy sign is above him So he uh grabs that and puts it under his back before she can do it Um, but she still kicks him out of the fight basically and and puts a File cabinet in front of him so that it's just her and Evelyn now And obviously this is this is one of them just uh, you don't get to be eased into how all of this works Which is fun enough I was gonna say I'm like the matrix, but then I guess he didn't he still had to do some shit But he didn't want to have to do pretty quickly, so Mm-hmm um, but yeah, he's like this section is kind of like a um Like kind of like a roaming sort of you know, like in a horror game where you've got like the enemy roaming Yeah, I'm looking for you. Well, you're trying to achieve some other objective. Yeah We're gonna swap things up a bit for you Like alien or nemesis or something. Yeah Well everyone has to now kind of on the fly try and figure out how uh, how um, uh Waymond was like jumping and gaining all of these abilities Yeah, he tells it to pick up the the earpieces and then Try us to explain to her that basically You need to do something that is so incongruent with what you would do normally That the unit it pushes you into an adjacent universe enough That it like elastic bands you back into yours to like autocorrect and that will shoot you into your desired universe temporarily to Sort of phase in with your you from that world and you can draw Abilities skills and and knowledge from them. I think is how he says it um The way it works is the more illogical the thing that you do the farther it slingshots you Yeah, I think so you have more access to more outrageous abilities The more which kind of makes sense thematically if you think about like what the multiple universes are Right, like how do you make a really big change in your life? You have to do something that is like statistically almost impossible to actually do it, right? It's kind of like a Radical change. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, there's all about choice, right? Like you you would never choose to Fucking give yourself four paper cuts on your hand. And so it takes you into a just a completely different Uh I can believe Johnny Knoxville is from a different universe. We'll see for him It would be not doing that that would slingshot him probably. Yeah. Oh my god But I guess it's kind of interesting to think about that as a concept You need to do something that's so out of the ordinary for you that it'll slingshot you into a universe where you did that So It's kind of well the way that they show it visually is like Pulling the catapult back to that universe where you did do that That's relatively adjacent But it pulls you back into your universe because that's where you belong But it can't control the force of you being pulled in so it overcompensates and shoots you temporarily into one That's like opposite. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, but I I guess what I'm saying is I kind of find it like that's something we're thinking about in terms of how that ties Into like the broader point of the story It's so out of the ordinary that you wouldn't do it But you did somewhere out there in the multiverse, right? I think even brought even going more broad to look at like the actual like the real themes of like what's going on I think it's it's the or like the very human themes rather than like looking at the multiverse stuff It's more just like if you Evelyn's whole life is taking the path of least resistance, right? Even though it's a grinding with everything's different She's avoiding conflicts She's wondering right if you want if you wanted to be a singer if you want to do it If you want to make those changes in your life to access any other world where you'd be a better person You have to do something a bit out of the ordinary You have to do something that you wouldn't otherwise do in order to make them to be a different person And up till this point her whole life has been doing whatever is right in front of her without like fighting So she um, she's told that They even show this actually so the most likely way she can do this is if she professes her love to Deidre But they've actually got a list where it's like she could Rip out all of her hair jump out the window break her nose lick her elbows sneeze 200 times repair father relationship Uh air flares write a novel bite tongue off poke eye out Kind of funny that repair father relation is like lower than jumping out of a window Yeah improbability I've never looked at this freeze frame. So there's a number associated with each of these actions Is that like the level of improbability? Yeah, I think what they're saying here is the most reliable Is profess love to Deidre, which is also relatively easy to do compared to a lot of these Reliable in regard to their intended outcome like the abilities that they want to a snag from another universe, right? How well will it be able to slingshot you across those different places? It's kind of a fun little mechanic to have for this story because it means that there's a level of like You have to try and think about what is available to me at this moment that I can use Is that useful to me? Is there something else that I can choose to do that will be more effective or get me an attribute that's more valuable It's like a cool little sort of um risk reward system that I I think I think it's like it flies past Um as you're watching it, but it's like that's a fun There's a lot of like fun modifiers that they throw into this film to make the conflict more interesting that stem from like mechanics Or events that happen that make a lot of sense Like the fact that we've we've got like our main plot in this universe has stemmed from this massive misunderstanding It was entirely reasonable that caused Evelyn to punch the irs agent and now it puts them in a situation where there's like a constant pressure It's like police. They're buildings locked down. It like makes the environment suited to the needs of the story And this one here we'll see later on gives them a lot of fun opportunities to uh Play around with the world and the multiverse Right Yeah, and with the image they show it's like she's surrounded by much more common variations of her own universe But then there's these pockets that are outside of it that are much further deviations She needs to get to those ones to access the power in them, but to only do that you'd have to do more More unlikely things um Yeah, and and the problem here though is that you actually have to complete the action and so She says I love you to Deidre, but she doesn't mean it And so she tries to access the power and all it does is send her to a very very close by like adjacent world Which is just her talking to um Her husband about the divorce that's it And again We're in a position where it's like we as the audience and her as a character It's like i'm fucking dealing with a life or death situation battling someone right now I've got I've got literally no time to be talking to you about the divorce, but I feel this is the case That fucking actors Performance combined with a really strong script you actually managed to get drawn into him Like to the point where she actually wants to address what he's saying Even though she's currently in the middle of a fight to the death theoretically um I just really appreciate that because yeah, he talks to her about like how He could see it on her face that uh She thinks they never should have met or they never should have left together here sort of thing Yeah, even stuff sees as he's tearing up the poor guy and you just and you know, you just want to Tell him some stuff to reassure him sort of thing um, and they also show the visuals feel like splitting again because uh Gotta be careful. I think he's explained the clay pot thing to her or he might not have yet, but we're almost there anyway. Um Yeah, he uh, there's there's some fun lines with this as well He says whenever I try to talk to you unless it's an emergency you always get pulled away And as he says that Deidre's arm comes from the window and pulls her back into the universe. She's uh fighting her in stuff like that um Yeah, and they they assume then from what Deidre's doing that she must have like a wwe Fucking wrestler in her or that's like the alternative path that she's in and so they're gonna need something to counter that And what they're trying to get Uh, Evelyn into is like, um, some some kind of fighting ability to be able to deal with her um, but because she failed uh Wayman the alpha wayman basically says like you're clearly not the one you can't you can't be the one you fucked it up. Um Which is the depressing but you know, whatever that's just the reality And so he leaves because he's got to search for like the correct Evelyn out of You know, if you're right over the whole multiverse with so There's another thing the matrix did right like you're not the one. Oh, shit. Yeah Again, it feels like we're doing that portion of that kind of story way quicker in this We're doing all of that and then we got another story to tell after it pretty much um, yeah Yeah, he's she must not be the one and so he he stops and then Regular wayman comes back up like oh, hi that he's like, oh my hand The paper cuts it's so it's just so normal to chill uh Yeah, and she's like really sad that she's lost alpha wayman again, but uh They get in they close the door and stuff and then He gets pulled back into having the conversation with the other wayman And uh, just trying to think about what to say and the fucking the door gets broken off I think this time because deodor is breaking in on the other side And we get we she's attacking them and we get this wonderful visual Uh of them being halfway down a staircase and j.b. Lee Curtis Getting ready to fuck him up by jumping on him from the top Legit like when the camera cuts to this I really would have expected to see ever at any point I think This was like this is again one of those moments of the film where they know how fucking absurd they are They're confident. You'll just be enjoying it anyway But it's a really effective way of kind of defining that This is a tiny instance in time where like She is milliseconds away from getting her nose broken basically and there's all this shit happening In another universe where she eventually gets Her powers. I don't want to jump too far ahead, but you know what I mean, like yeah This this is used very effectively as a framing device like this is all taking place in like fractions of a second But she says I love you in this time. It was meaningful Yeah, the imagery that I think is like probably most strongly identified with this movie her like flying through all of these different universes So, oh, right. Yeah, yeah And it's a really cool like an interesting sort of a little montage. It's only like 10 seconds long Yeah, it looks great And it's basically as John just said this is all experienced in like a split second She goes to the other universe and it even plays like A different life path to help justify I guess how how she could have ended up here and um It cracks back to when she first is hanging out with wayman and when he offers her to to go To america with him and in when we first saw this she agrees and the father abandoned her but in this version it splits and um You can already tell from His expression in both splits what happened what choice was made And like seriously from this moment. It's already done. This has taken advantage more so of the multiverse than dr. Strange does Like it's already over Yeah, we're we haven't really talked about it too much. It will come up more though It's an interesting coincidence how these two movies Kind of came out at the same time and they explore these kinds of concepts loosely similarly and This really nails it while multiverse of madness bungles it at every Just in every way Both from a character and from a just basic logic perspective whereas nothing works in dr. Strange This tries really hard to create a very Emotional connection to you know multiverse implications and it's involving in the plot Uh It's it's it's the anti dr. Strange I couldn't believe how lazy and unimaginative that was written. You know the dr. Strange movie I was expecting much more from that because like it's a multiverse movie like oh this movie's gonna have some fun You know what I mean like I mean you're feeling a head going in that's miss fantastic. Isn't it there you go Oh, yeah, right and memory lane that fucking the laziest possible way to like introduce flashbacks like are you fucking kidding me What's interesting too is that the portrayal of the multiverse in this Movie it is something as simple and every day as a Breakup or I never you know, I never went with a man that I loved or something of that nature Right, it's not some galaxy spanning end of the cosmos. What weapons you choose to kill the multiversal to god It's not that it's yeah It's you know, it's things that people do every day. It's events that happen every day It's a an accident or it's a just a little choice that leads you on a different path and it shows you what could have happened instead And so it gives you this immediate connection To the to the multiverse in the sense of yeah I could I can relate to all these other versions of you and they do it so quickly because it's just very relatable very down to earth The stakes are just so Comprehensible Yeah, yeah, I'd say so. Um So when she doesn't go with them She remains in uh gong yang and then she's walking down an alleyway at one point and she gets mugged Only this legend saves her Who's who is this who knows and she gets inspired by her and studies with her the art of Martial arts and you get this little montage that I was just like is this are we doing kill bill? Is this kill bill or it just feels like it is to me uh, yeah Especially with she feels absurd as like as a teacher as well um But yeah, she so That's genre and era like I think they did the Footage is oversaturated. The footage is a bit dated. They do those seven snap zooms were on a telephoto lens Where they go for ultra wide to like super close and it's like wobbles a little bit Like I think kill bill kind of emulated that and this is also Emulating that but I wouldn't say this is necessarily trying to be like kill bill. You know what I mean? I thought well, I was thinking of um Oh, fuck. Is his name pi may the the the teacher in there. Yeah, pi may. Yeah He she reminds me of him because like she's clearly like Wearing a big white wig long white hair. Oh totally outfit. I think it. Yeah, it's definitely her reference that that's at least what my mind went to is kill bill and uh Another movie that's very well stylized, uh, which means it's easy to kind of You know to to emulate it in this it's great and so, uh, it fast forward to then to she gets a movie career because of her training And then they do something really cool which is to interspers different things like Laughing around with the paparazzi and stuff and all the different things she did and I I'm imagining this is the reality They've they've got real michelio like red carpet footage in there Oh, that's neat Yeah, because all right. Yeah in a meta sense. You can definitely look at it in the way that um Uh, ever in one of her non-taken paths could have been what michelio has as a life Yes And um, it's cool because it plays on our understanding and familiarity with michelio being like a kung fu star And like that's what she is in this universe and she's relying on that She's drawing the skills of that universe to help her in the one that we're seeing in this film Just like man, I wasn't prepared for this level of meta. That's that's real neat Um, yeah, it's a movie called crazy rich asian. She was in that's that's the red carpet She was on so i'm pretty sure that's just legit footage that they took to involve in the movie You wonder about licensing for that like yeah, I was about to say the rights to that footage Are you able to that's interesting why yes, all right, I guess I got it Yeah, you would go to abc or whoever specifically recorded that I imagine Those things things that cost a lot of money. That's gotta be on the lower end, right? Like can I have access to the red carpet footage? Yeah Well, maybe they had their own people there, you know their own journalists got their own as part of their company. I don't know Maybe they they had this whole plan well ahead of time, you know, they knew But uh, yeah, she beats deirdre pretty easily when she gets her uh The powers up and running It's just a moment of like She's beginning to believe but the equivalent for this movie Yeah That's like when he fights agent smith and like he realizes Like it's all just code and he can fucking do anything. Yeah um, so Yeah, she's kind of blown away by this um And she says I saw my life without you. I wish you could have seen it. It was beautiful I should have listened to my father and not gone with you all those years ago It's just like fucking hell Yeah, that's sad Yes, uh, it's all thanks to how little he understands about anything that's going on And what's so great about that, right? It's a heartbreaking line and then it cuts to uh Waymond and he reacts to it in with a Really well like it genuine hurt, right? You can see it on his face and he turns around in the same shot And he faces her again, and he's like in alpha verse mode And it's just like he's he has such Not only bodily control but like control over his emotions where he can switch From something like from a heart broken reaction like that to like he just goes Oh, yeah, it's like yes. Yes. Yes. I've completely forgotten about that And now I am in like superman mode again, and here we go. Yeah, he carries himself really well for that Yeah, he's so good um And it's interesting to know She has a tear out of her eye when she's she's thinking about all of that I um It's a tough interpretation to have but there is a really good chance there that she's genuinely forgetting What it means what she's actually saying when she says that to him And she's instead actually commenting on like I really wish wayman could see this Like what what it is what I was in this other world I don't think she intends to say like what a mistake you were I think she's like deliberately making feel bad. Right. Yeah, because like yes It's just blown away by the potential that she never knew she had sort of thing Um, right the other thing I really liked about it as well is when she first knocks deidra into the wall the first thing wayman says Is uh, why? How did you do that? Like the first thing he wanted to actually say was why would you do that as in why would you hurt her like that? Yeah Because that's where his priorities are Where his priorities are as we'll see going forward Um, but yeah alpha wayman is back and he says now you're definitely gonna be on jobu's radar We got to go Um And they hide in like a little boardroom and that's when he starts to explain a little more detail what they are Central and like who jobu is And so the boardroom has a bunch of bagels Yep So yeah, uh, because he highlights that they should eat Um Yeah a lot edgy consumption with this sort of thing um But she starts getting distracted by the the other world paparazzi stuff and bringing it back in and he explains that like the more jumping well whenever you jump It's like you're deliberately Uh cutting a piece of like thing out of your stability in your mind and that um When you get used to this and more talented at it, you can seal it back up But sometimes they'll remain open a little longer than you would have preferred and the more you do it the more Your clay pot will get uh Leaks is how he explains it. Um And then she says what if I want to be in the other universe What if I just I just want to be there and he like goes nuts He fucking slaps her and says shut it down and he says like uh Goes on to explain basically that if that clay pot shatters, you'll die or worse And uh, she's like what could possibly be worse than death. He doesn't answer the question. How interesting Yeah Um Yeah, that's when I think this is where he explains like fully how all of the mechanics work Or at least the last piece of it for us to get it on board, but I I think we've mostly covered it by now anyway I like when he eats the bagel and he focuses on the fact that it has cream cheese on it Yeah, like just cream cheese And you obviously juxtapose that with the idea of putting everything on it, right? Like sometimes it's good to orient yourself towards Like a like a singularity on some level Yeah, I'm explaining that well And he appreciates it so much because of the fact that they don't have cheese in his world anymore Oh, right Because uh jobu the fight with jobu was wiped out all kinds of uh stuff like that I think he says we lost all the cattle or something. Um But yeah, uh, so she asked for an explanation. He says so jobu has lost any sense of morality and any belief in objective truth Uh, all they know is she's looking for eveline and she's incredibly dangerous Um And unfortunately, uh, eveline gets distracted again by the the flashing lights of I think it's like the emergency lights in the area Because the place is locked down they flash into flashing of the photography ship from her other universe And she spends a little chunk of time there enjoying it And she actually spots in her universe the wayman is there in the celebrity one Um, and he's looking great like Very well put together, uh very successful Which is like really interesting to her, I guess because she just assumed What we could have picked up from the other parts of the movie so far that he's a bit of like an anka or a dare say like a weight and so obviously If she were unburdened by him she could be successful, which is what she first concluded But he's successful without her so it's like There's more to think about there, but they don't get to think about it for very long Because she's they both are yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she gets, uh, she gets handcuffed It's like wait, what and it's because uh, she was daydreaming a little too much there And unfortunately the police have now caught up to him or at least the security guards and they put handcuffs on both of them and This is just this great moment where she's phased back in she's pretty confused at alpha wayman. It's like eveline quick p It's a great jumping pad And then they taze him But I'm just like amused by the idea that they're listening to this guy say that after he's beaten the fuck out of all of them several times like And yeah, so for anybody who's confused like well, why didn't he beat them again? Um, these powers are temporary. They only work as a as a sort of connection to the person you've slungshot yourself to for like I would guess I'm like five minutes. They don't they're pretty temporary. They don't work very long Um, so that's not the first time they mentioned jumping pads. Is it like I was probably addressed in the exposition scene with uh Wayman right where he's explaining the alpha verse. He explains the jumping pad concept. Yeah Yeah, we've already gone over it as well like the right a jumping pad is is Just referenced to what action you can take that's so improbable. It can send you to another place sort of thing right um so yeah, he's now out of it and um The police have got him but there's someone coming up in the elevator and the god is like we don't need any backup We got him, but they keep coming and it's joe boo too pocket Who's finally arrived and she's um, she's dressed pretty uniquely I would say I don't really care about like the outfits ever in movies because there's not something I generally pay attention to But um, she has so many Amazing outfits in this movie. It's actually unreal. It must have been a lot of costume to do like 30 or 40 different costumes at least Yeah, like high like a lot of work to not just like an outfit But like the whole shebang like the shoes the outfit the accessories is and they're like all of them are ridiculous Like yeah, and sometimes for costumes that are only on screen for like 30 or 40 seconds Yeah, yeah a lot of work But I mean you even see that in like the quick flashes of these different universes It's like yeah, you have to shoot that it's like each one of these is on screen for like a split second It's like a whole bunch of work that would have had to go into each of these or like the flashes in the different universes whenever one was earlier on and then later on Yeah, it's like not not only a new costume across the different renditions of chaos by that particular character but just like every time they jump to a new universe or a new kind of like genre of film whenever they jump to an old like kung fu thing or You know that that's all set design and production design and unique costumes and stuff I presume this would have been intentional or it may not have been but just the fact that the the costumes their absurdity starts to almost become a little like less absurd and surprising As it goes on it just becomes something you get pretty accustomed to pretty quickly. Yeah, which is kind of like interesting in terms of again how it ties into uh Something that becomes I guess much more clear as a point like yeah, and they're not They're not just thrown in to be wacky It's like is once you understand what kind of character joe buchupaki is It'll make a lot of sense that she Well, this whole scene will give you a great idea of what kind of character she is anyway um It's funny as well when she first arrives at evelyn just goes joy. Why do you look so stupid? just like That's the other thing she has to say about this whole situation at this point, uh, and that's what's really fun about evelyn I think that she very consistently Will like change her priorities Because that's just what she has concerns regarding like think of everything. She's just been through She sees joy at a weird outfit. She just wants to comment on that while she's being arrested for Who knows at this point ground the grounding elements in her life that matter to her even in the face of a situation Where she has to have some understanding that the stakes are really significant. We're talking about Like, you know the multiverse essentially but even even in coaxed in that uh That situation that's still the things that in her life and the people that she cares about that are grounding I mean we saw it earlier when um, she accidentally jumped into that conversation with wailand uh wailand of wayman when um Uh when they were talking about the divorce in that universe And it's like even though she's in the middle of like a fight here Um, you know and and the stakes are really high. She's still invested In this universe's wayman and the situation that's happening there When it almost doesn't make sense in a very cold and clinical way To be focused on these things These things don't matter in a sense, you know, like in the grand scheme of things, but they do they matter to her Um, yes, it was indicative of something this artwork is awesome, by the way Uh Beautiful it's got so many references the things that happened in this film But later that will make more sense. I suppose as we get there, but thank you very much just from uh live art chain Yes, you got great fan art. It's so good Absolutely do the wonderful talented fans At bagel. I wonder what that's about. Yeah, no idea. Oh, are you lifting you? That is. Yep. Yep. Why would you call that a bagel? It could be a donut. Oh, it could be a donut But I just get the distinct impression that it's a bagel. I don't know why you're lifting your pinky finger there I don't know what relevance I'll have my fingers are pretty long, but that matches. I'm a long person That's how you eat a bagel politely is you stick your pinky through the hole and you just go around the edge And just work your way inwards Totally, but yeah, spin it around. Thank you so much. It's beautiful It it look does look very very neat. I like this one a lot um Yeah, the uh, I think the officer says, um You can't be here and she says what you mean is I'm not allowed to be here. I can be here and then I think she says something like Something about going through him, right? Um Yeah, she says uh, you're gonna make me walk through you and he says you can't do that either And then she says well you see you're wrong again. She turns him into confetti and then does walk through him Look at that Play in with the rules like that to be fair. You don't need to compute someone into confetti to walk through him Though it would just be a lot messier if you did it without doing that So She's showing off some unbelievable powers. This this uh, it seems pretty fun. Um I don't even like completely setting aside the comedy of it This is like one of the greatest depictions of chaos In film that I can think of You know like this character that can just be anything and completely tear apart reality and reform it to however You know like not even Thanos with the realities reality stone was this No, when you're fun entertaining as this. Yeah. Yeah. Um He convinces it into a bong. Yeah, Thanos never conveyed anything into a bong to the The biggest biggest floor in the film outside. But yeah, she a lot of things happen It's kind of I don't even know how to explain this to you as someone who just doesn't know anything about this film A lot of weird things happen. She she she has a dance with one of the Security guards Cops and then the other one out of desperation tries to shoot at her and he ends up It's this is like he's literally killing probably one of his friends But the situation is so absurd. It just it's funny like him shooting with the music and the lighting as well at the same time It's all so slow motion. Yeah um um and uh Yeah, uh, she then jumps into The guy like up and then tins them into like a wrestling match where she's just Converted him into being I don't even know what this move was called. I'm sorry. Mel's not yes We can't tell us we fucking gets his neck broken Which again, it's really rough But it's all so absurd at this point that we don't even know What like we're supposed to exactly make of all of this Yeah It's a great villain intro Oh, you know like this is a staggering amount of power that this character's in possession of I think we jump between there are some instances where it's not the case and then sometimes where it is where It's very much about us having the same Perspective as Evelyn while uh while watching all of this happen, you know, like where it just is confused as she is But then it'll all start to make sense eventually once we start getting more explanations for how things work People saying pile driver is what she did to him. Damn uh She even takes a bullet and blood splat everywhere, but then she just says don't worry is catch up or whatever it's like Oh, and um The god then realizing his gun doesn't work tries to hit it with uh with his baton And then something else happens which which was you know, it actually reminded me of saint's row the third You guys ever played that? Yeah, I know what she's talking about. Yeah, I never played that one I believe in that game. There is like a 10 year old game saint's row three. Am I crazy? Yeah. Yeah, it's old as fuck In that game you get I believe a dildo sword and uh Let's just say that's relevant to this moment where she converts his baton into one and beats him half to death with it Uh, I was in san andres as well. You could get a dildo melee weapon But yeah, oh, I could have been that. Yeah, maybe it was both. I don't even know but um Yeah, at this point You got the cinematic view the the music the just the violence of it all and then dildos. It's just like um And it's I think it's supposed to just uh sort of Over over there's just so much shit all at the same time. You don't even know what to make of it and yeah, um I think evalyn says uh your juju tabuki Like that because she's not getting the day right still Yeah, and then It like cycles down a little bit Uh enough of the insane crazy shit or or at least we we're getting there because um Other points are about to be made but they have a moment of her catching up to avalanen. Actually, uh, they use like loony tune sound effects Just for this moment There's a couple of there's a use of um, you know the the sound uh It makes when I'm not sure if there's a better word for this you might know it for any But in smash bros when you do hit someone with like The maximum power move and it like goes. Oh, yeah, and then it has that high pitch like Uh, it's hard to simulate it. I'm not emulating but I can't yeah It's a smash, right? It might be um, but a lot of people maximum power a move like So like you know when you're in And if you charge it up, they give you like they give you the baseball bat, you know how like they've got that little Boxing bag and then you try and hit it like it's the sound that that makes yeah when you go to full full power Strength smash it everyone's heard it record Well, yeah, and for what I could see from different discussions It's like everyone's saying it's referencing smash bros. I was like is smash bros where it originates or is that referencing something itself Because no way I wouldn't have thought it would originate from south of smash bros, but I don't know I've got no clue. I just know it's so well. I don't know the origins of it yeah, uh, but you know the the references are fun, they need and uh so Evelyn's like doesn't matter that you can do all that I can beat you I've been learning about all this i'm gonna do it and so jobu's like all right do it and so she concentrates real hard He lands all she uses all the dollars she's gained and that includes waving to earlier suggesting a good jumping pad being Peeing yourself So she does that and she focuses on the world where she is the martial arts expert unfortunately She gets a little confused because she's with the paparazzi on the red carpet flashing lights gets a little confused she sees a poster for a guy holding hot dogs And then um Cycles are over and around a more familiar Uh Multiversal place where she's doing her taxes and she sees a picture of uh drawn by a kid Of someone I presumably done by joy, um where their fingers look a little a little weird you know and uh All that information gets tangled up and she does manage to travel To a different multiversal place and draw let's say a skill from it, uh And I think this is the part of the movie that really it can make or break it for a lot of people Uh, the skill of sorts Her cuffs fall off and you're like, oh And that's because her hands at least temporarily are like boneless essentially And uh, they just be flopping around and It's like it's like you get this brief moment for the audience to try and guess what's happened because you ain't gonna guess what's happened And uh, yeah, they established that she's Uh drawn from a world where everyone's hands are Are hot dogs. Well, their fingers are hot dogs. Um And I said really sells This gag is when we just come back a million years ago When there's a bunch of uh apes having a fight And the the hot dog hands apes win and triumph over the human more like human hand Uh apes Yeah, they felt the need to provide us a basic justification that In the evolutionary chain of of humanity There was a deviation that had hot dog fingers and they battled and uh the hot dog fingers won I think I think the fact that the the the shitty Ape costumes sell this and I think oh, yeah It's the big part is when he's screaming to the heavens Flailing his hot dog fingers I love I love the shot of it tightening up on the classic human hand and it's and it's It's a good gag I couldn't believe what I was watching at this point. You know, like there's a few plateaus for me where I got that feeling and this was one of them Where it's just like because it's obviously doing like a 2001 thing here. Yeah, and uh Like just This is so ridiculous Like I've never seen a movie do this Something like this like to have the balls to make a joke like this and uh Once this happened it's just like All right, I don't know what's coming after like I'm on board like I was totally sold at this point, you know That's the thing. I think you can have multiple reactions So there's some people would feel this is too absurd that they're lost now They're not they're not following it while I think we were um I was so fucking ready for ever else. They wanted to try I was like if you if you're gonna commit to stuff like this, this will be great Some people like how did you not get it was a 2001 reference How do you think anybody's gonna point that out and it would be interesting information to anybody's like the most obvious thing ever This is like everyone knows this scene from 2001. Some people who haven't even seen the film Like one of the most famous movie scenes Anyone who's seen the movie. Yeah, because the shot is so similar, right? Oh, yeah This is it's it's parodying it. But like it's yes, obviously I was just going over it mechanically is fucking hilarious Some people were saying as well wouldn't the universe be completely different if it changed all the way back there and uh Wait, hang on someone said wow really breaking artistic boundaries If you don't agree, that's just because you're not smart enough to understand the significance Like I didn't nobody said that you don't know if you don't enjoy that's that's fine. Um To me, yeah, it's totally all right I'll say I've seen because I I saw the guy post that posted the same comment a few times about Yes, like, um Oh, here we go. Yeah, there it is. Thank god. He's here to describe the movie I'm blind so I couldn't watch it That's okay I could understand The boundaries are falling down. You've awoken me To the knowledge that like talking about a movie Is just making observations about what's happening in the scene A lot of the more substantive sort of comparisons and analysis will be in the second half of the film The first half is telling you what is being shown and given to you There's a lot of what like It's a lot of what storytelling is at least in the case of good storytelling when you like build it up You're uh, I guess you're stacking your blocks, you know, you're sort of building the tapestry So that then you can start to have your really meaningful payoffs payoffs usually don't come at the beginning That's like all the setups the setups are super important because without the setups Payoffs are just kind of like just kind of the idea that you have it's not really much of anything Well to go for a classic if we were trying to talk about how well done like shawna the dead is and then I go so shawna mentions the there's a gun above the bar or uh Ed does and then shawna's like well, let's deactivate and then Like someone could be like why are you just repeating the dialogue? And I'd be like well because you need to know and we need to establish that's a thing So then when we get to it It's uh, it's not just out of nowhere and that's appreciating how they've written it. Um So yeah, I think we've talked about a couple of the pieces to compare and to praise at this point But it's just going to become way more common the further along we get because that's that's just how it works. Yeah um as for like I don't know thinking this is a bit much like I said It's like I don't think you have to be intelligent or something to to appreciate this. It's just it may work for you It may it may not The the whole sausage fingers thing I think it was pretty bold of them to try and what's neat about it. I think is that they commit pretty hardcore They don't um They do. Yeah, it's not just a one-time gag I think they do a really good job at like anytime they introduce a joke It's pretty relevant throughout the entire move and they manage to build like sincerely off of everything Which I think is pretty admirable because they always seem like all of these are going to be like one-off gags And they end up becoming more meaningful Yeah, they're already laying the groundwork. We've got um She pushes Deirdre off her in this world and then you catch her saying um, why why you you're always so warm But then suddenly so cold like pretty casually And it's like that could just be a throwaway line or it could be something that's a little bit more important Who knows as we move forward? Uh for the sausage world, but one of the things we see is that I guess are we supposed to interpret this as the equivalent of sex in the sausage world where you put your fingers in each other's Mouths that it sprays out mustard and I think that's I don't I'm not sure why the hot dogs would spray out mustard and ketchup But I don't know. Maybe that was like an evolutionary advantage during the Historic times the monkeys that could spray mustard that there are foes while they were being hunted were the ones who survived It's so stupid, right? And that's kind of the point like if you're doing a movie about Encapsulating the multiverse like it's you have to kind of visualize the absolute absurdity on either end of that And you know that that includes a universe where everyone has hot dogs for fingers and there's uh There's another universe that this movie incorporates that I won't touch on yet But it's just like because we're not there yet, but it's just like equally if not more stupid as like that's That's what you do if you're doing like a multiverse story if you want to like Demonstrate the stupidity that comes along with that you illustrate Universes like this, you know, that's what I think Like I said, it's really testing the bounds of a lot of audience members Who just they'll be too far for them, but I think they handle it really well All things consider well the fact that uh, they will reincorporate that later into something meaningful Um that world anyway, what's you yeah, which you just wouldn't really expect from a lot of other things No, I think um I think in a movie that was uh less thoughtful that would just be a one-off joke that would be it It's just like haha Isn't that funny and absurd anyway moving on like that you wouldn't try and leverage it to do something meaningful lighter on mm-hmm You guys can analyze paint drying next I wait in anticipation after the engaging analysis of night stick etymology Hey, I didn't know that truncheon was British only and I'm so sorry that took up 0.01 percent. I think you're gonna be fine anyway We got uh So so after that and I think it really primes you right in terms of the juxtaposition of the tone in this film we go from that And now we're going into jobu explaining her motivation and her plans which are not exactly funny uh And the movie has to try and balance that pretty well so What she explains to her I think At first I can't remember if this is where she first talks about the the bagel actually I think it is right Uh, it's reference earlier, but I think this is when we finally see it There's a lot of visual hints and like even the first act, yeah Yeah, so you see like the little marble church thing, but the drapes are still down or the veil Yeah, and she's like let me help you out because she's got sausage fingers and she does little This little like hand game where you put your your fingers together and you open up on the other side But instead of what you may have expected we see Mystical room. What could it mean? um Yeah, and so she says, uh I made a bagel And I put everything on it Do you do you guys know the silly hand references or? Well, I don't know what I did. I remember that from school. Yeah. Yeah, I did not do that I remember it was like it was a pussy joke when I grew up in school because it like you would stretch this like the What do you call it the? You know the flaps of skin between the fingers you would like labia put your fingers together and stretch it out And it looked like a vagina. I guess I think all the things between your fingers. I think are labia the webbing Yeah, the what that's what we're referring to not what they really Right, I'm I'm learning about this this strange Vaginal gesticulation talking about the anatomy of the fingers rags I mean, I I know it's just like what it's supposed to potentially represent I'm I'm learning about it wasn't that my school. It was just a fun little hand game. Don't be a job at the different schools It was definitely yeah, like it wasn't just a fun hand gesture because I remember it, so Well, what was it was so enlightening. What was it then like it's it looks like it's vagina That's no, it's that why it was because you mentioned you say it originated in china at destiny I literally thought I heard someone say that I was like you could have explained how it's relevant Vagina ah now everything makes sense. I thought you china vagina I thought john brought that in randomly. I didn't realize I don't remember any kind of game element to that I just remember people did that because it looks like Yeah, you put your hand confused here and you're looking at it. It's supposed to be like, oh my god That's what a vagina looks like. That's like the whole point All right So I guess it's well, what about the other one uh that they do at the end the other hand jessy, you know that one later I think that's just like another game they play. I don't think it's supposed to look like a vagina Yeah, I was gonna say that that one's definitely a game, right? There's no fucking vagina imagery with that one that I'm gonna wear of hopefully uh Anyway, she says she puts everything on the bagel including uh Every report card breeds of dog every personal add on craigslist uh or craigslist for americans and she Uh, there's there's a couple that flash on There was one that I saw I'll try to get the image on the screen for everybody, but uh It says ladies. Hello bathtub male for women a man for woman, I guess because I never actually I've never been on craigslist I'm assuming that's what that means. Um This is hello beautiful. Who are you come to my door open come come to party my door open Many riches in me beautiful water splish splash to my bath. I am very serious man looking for love sing to you That's what that's what it says Jesus Christ. I'm halfway there already just for that I really hope they're real ones that they took from uh craigslist rather than made up that way I wouldn't put it past them I'd be surprised if they weren't real One of them is cash for tickle Yeah, there here it is right something for Do not contact me with unsolicited services or office. There you go. Nice and official Um Yeah, she says unfortunately the bagel collapsed in on itself because you see when you put everything on a bagel it becomes this and uh Like a big scary kind of black hole sort of situation And she says the truth And then everyone says what do you mean? What's the truth? She says nothing matters which Yeah, you're around about the hour mark into this film where um Become clear that that is the villain's point of view If or rather antagonist Oh, I mean it's pretty explicit. I don't know if there's anything else Yeah, well, we yes, that's basically we've jumped right into the whole nihilism stemming from all of this Yeah Like the absurdity of so much that there's like no meaning derived from anything and that's joe boo's perspective because she's seen everything just everything she's been exposed to everything which is act one right sort of establishing this as being like the um I guess in a sense like the beginning of uh The subtext rapidly becoming text Yes, though This is more so the introduction to this portion of the film because this I don't think has been given to us in any real way yet Uh joe boo's perspective. This is obviously like her intro scene um She says it feels nice doesn't it if nothing matters all the guilt and pain you feel for making nothing of your life goes away sucked into a bagel Which is said in a way that I think softens the blow of this sort of uh moment in the film Which is a little bit of a dark thing to say, uh, but she's even shedding a tear when she does it as well One of the things that I think this film does exceedingly well is it layers a lot of themes and then a lot of separate stories onto one thing that all becomes like reinforcing or self-reinforcing um, so like on one hand, we've got Like the family is just struggling with taxes and business stuff And then on the other hand we've got like this multiverse story superhero thing going on And then on the other hand we've got like a deeper rift in the family that needs to be solved And then on the other hand we've got they're introducing this like broader concept of like existentialism from nihilism, which is like a Like an age old Kind of like existentialism is supposed to be the rejection of nihilism and all that they're kind of living in that journey too I think they do a really good job for the entirety of this film of like hitting on so many different plot points It seems like it's going around in a bunch of different areas But they all kind of reinforce on to like all the other themes and narratives So it works really well Instead of it feeling like you're getting ripped around into 20 different things Like you'll bounce on to one point that will reinforce another point that will reinforce another point that will reinforce another point I think this film does that really really well Yes, it's hard to say that there's any like specific Part that feels like it leads to a dead end that it doesn't tie back into the core in one way or another No wasted time or wasted lines that seem like they've kind of directionless We and lots that may appear that way. They've all got Stuff to to happen because yeah, this is this is we're still essentially setting foundational work for like What we're fighting in this film or at least what Evelyn will perceive she's fighting for now This thing is going to change but yeah, I just love that all of that is in such absurd packaging as well Because I feel like this the script was so thoroughly thought out and finished and then they shot Which is I feel like is not the norm in hollywood You know They go with like an unfinished script and then it just starts shooting. Oh, yeah I refuse to believe that they don't redraft scripts like this. It's like you have to right you need to You'll you'll write the whole thing and then you'll be like right we need more work on Uh setting things right for getting people to where they're gonna end up when you get all this stuff properly couched Sort of all just doesn't happen because fuck it Which has been happening with a lot of movies lately and not necessarily because of the writer's intentions Like they just don't care can because of production limits like The uh, the production line for Marvel movies and Star Wars stuff right now is insane Yep Meanwhile, you find out something like a squid game or arcane Which I just think are much stronger as as things compared to stuff like that for mainstream You find out it's like they had several years to get a lot of things right Yeah, scripts need more time is is the conclusion Anyway, yeah I mean you would think like you would invest so much into the script because that's where everything is the Ideas the characters the story like fucking everything is in that document Everything get that right everywhere and then shoot so, um, she's actually about to like her eyes start to glaze over with the uh, the the black sort of Well, I guess it's just like the whole all the eyes going black. Um, but then gong gong fucking plows into Into into joe boo and smashed her into a wall Because he's on his like he's on like a high-tech wheelchair now And this is because he's no longer the the father they're familiar with he's alpha gong gong um Who's simultaneously working I guess with alpha wayman in the same way they have like their own factions and they're working to Stop the evil that is joe boo from spreading through the multiverse still very much like We're in the portion of the film that's very much on the I hesitate to say surface level what I mean is text basically like When we're we're getting close from we're piecing sort of to getting to the super meaningful character stuff Yeah, but we're back to because this is the kind of thing That a lot of people get turned off by and in like low budget sci-fi should I say where it's just like Oh, no, and then weird pronoun is coming to weird pronoun to do weird pronoun as it is in like the Alakazam is gonna blah blah blah blah blah When when you don't have anything underlying it it just it's just like yeah. Yeah, this is this is this is happening um, but the film keeps like inching toward the more uh meaningful underlying stuff and once you get to a certain part in this film it it's like The the crazy surface level text plot stuff Starts to fall away in favor of uh, what it all actually represents um But for now, I was I really love this wheelchair takeout where like Uh, the grandpa in the wheelchair she he takes out uh Was it topu and like the the the right and the footage is obviously like sped up Like uh, it looks kind of weird Yeah, and awkward, but I appreciate that about it like they didn't try to smooth it out or anything with cg You know, it's just it just looks like sped up footage and I thought that was so funny when I saw that in theater Like I was I laughed out loud It's like I'm glad that kept that in you know um Yeah, he basically says that uh They need to get the fuck out of this universe Job is gonna gonna kill him and wayman says now this is the girl we're looking for Evelyn. She can stop him Uh here, sorry and then uh Gonggong says they're gonna have to kill her too essentially Because he's opened up her mind to too much and the implication being that uh There's like a there's like a I'm like Yeah, there's a split in the decision here between these two one of them wants to encourage her to get to that point Because he believes that she can handle the power and thus provide a good Sort of counter for her. Yeah while gonggong thinks that all it would happen is she would just become another one of the same problem Um, which is kind of if you think about it again, this is like the layers of the story Um, this is like the same thing almost of the two characters in the real world believe as well, right? Like you would imagine that the dad is trying to make everybody happy and bring everybody together And the grandpa is like excessively like cutting out his daughter cutting out his daughter's daughter Like won't accept anything right? It's a reference to the actual characters in the actual yes, yeah and it and it's also a reference to That it's this is from inside It's it's about your perspective on that kind of revelation. It's about how you Process it it is something that comes from within. It's not like some some superpower that you're bestowed with it's it's your personal ability to You know to have a good attitude essentially Yeah, because if we go with what joe boo says but when you put everything on a bagel it becomes clear That nothing matters you can draw from that She's describing the process of what happened to her because we already know that they said she spread everywhere And so just because that process happens to you doesn't mean that you necessarily conclude what joe boo has Uh So yeah, it's functioning on several layers at once. I think it's part of what's so impressive about the script Um Yeah, and so, uh, she doesn't believe she's she's the one she's having one of their moments and He's like, no, I'm pretty sure the one because you're the worst evelin and she's like, how can I be the worst? What about the hot dog one? and he says He says he's seen thousands of her but never an evelin who's had so many goals She never finished and so many dreams. She just didn't follow. She's literally living her worst version of herself And the reason why that's Important to her potential is because that means she's literally the She's surround every multiverse around her splits off into a better life is what his argument is so No matter where she's she has the most tools at a disposal basically with the the jump first thing Um, but I think on a more meaningful level It's supposed to just be you have so much unrealized potential because your life has never you've never managed to get to the places You've always wanted to go Well, yeah, because every universe just represents possibilities possibilities that were very much within reach of you I mean to varying degrees because there are ones are a lot closer ones are a further away But essentially anything is possible with much more so for you because you haven't really done a whole lot it's kind of a Interesting way of tethering theme to the you know, clear or external conflict And it's I love what this movie turns into plot devices You know like not only the thing where like you are the quote unquote worst evelin because You have the you've done nothing with your life. Therefore you have the maximum amount of potential energy that you can Potentially harness to accomplish anything you want and there's like a truism in that that you can apply to your your own life, I think right but then obviously the the thing with like taking things that People have might have thought a lot of doing but they never would like just just like the eating the chapstick thing Like, you know, you you you extract the whole piece of chapstick and it kind of looks like candy But you would never fucking bite into it because it obviously would taste gross But like there's a part of your brain that would think like what if I just bit into that like no, that's totally stupid But this turns it into a plot device where a character does that and then they accomplish this Thing where they get a bunch of powers and they can use that Like it's very clever script like you guys are saying and I think moments like this are designed to Let's simultaneously reach out to people just in the world in the audience when he says something like You know You are One with the most potential because you have so many unrealized dreams and stuff. It's like it's pretty easy for that to For someone to think about and to maybe be motivated by and I think the movie does that quite a bit, especially the longer you go on Yeah But uh gong gong argues that she's succumbing to the uh the chaos the splintering and so even if uh You thought she was the one sort of thing that she she won't even be able to make it. She's already falling apart Um, but the weird thing is uh, jobu is not breaking down the door and killing them right now. Why? Where is she and they they have like a moment of oh no, if she's not here Then we find out she's uh, she's off hunting the alpha-verse people because they're getting in a way Which um, I think is a really good Idea writing wise because first of all it probably is something that she would do because she doesn't want them to get in a way With evelyn right on the on the text level or rather the surface actually the surface level at this point But as a writer you need jobu to fuck off for a bit so that evelyn can have a bit more time uh Realizing her own potential which is what these next few scenes are about You need like a reasonable reason for why jobu will be out of the story temporarily basically And I think they did a good job here because uh I could totally picture being like enough of these fucking alpha-verse people getting in my way, you know And we know that a lazier writer would just say oh, she just takes a while to show up She just shows up later Because she's limping right because she she she was on glass. Okay. She's ignore the fact that she can fly Nobody can't Yeah, fuck it. Um Yeah, uh, normal wayman comes back and he lets joy in now Who's got to control back and she's just like in the golfing outfit and just the fuck's going on And so uh evelyn tries to explain it to him that uh, there's someone Who comes from a different universe to puppet them? And it gives them even access to abilities. They don't usually have and she compares it to raka kuni, uh Which was No, like in ratatouille. She's like no, um, it's funny because at this point I think in the film where she describes the um, you can do things you normally can't and someone It's like someone's taking control of you or something else and stuff is like a lot of people expect She's gonna say the matrix. I think even though she mentions puppets Um, I don't think anybody expects her to say raka kuni Uh And yeah, they just laugh at it basically, uh, she's not taken very seriously and then when Good ol wayman is is is untapping joy because she tries to tape it down to a chair to stop her Uh gong gong gives her a box cutter to to to kill joy because he says like the way that joe boo works Is the more joys there are in the multiverse the more access points she has so the less there are the more Uh, you you control or stop here and uh, he says if you're not willing to kill her in this universe how do you expect to kill her in any other and uh Is I suppose because again, we're being pretty expeditious This is like a payoff you could expect a lot later, but she basically decides she's she's not willing to kill joy. Um I hate killjoy. Yeah Don't be a killed joy Um, but one thing I quite liked that they do here is she says she like pleases him She's your granddaughter and he says how do you think I feel? And I think it's it's just supposed to be a little sign into There's more going on with gong gong than he than he lets on. I think I'm not just Yeah, I'm just I'm not just I'm not some heartless bastard. Like I I really don't want this to be the way it is I just think that this is the way it needs to be Um I like that rakukuni feels like a one-off joke Like, uh, I wonder if michelle like maybe improvised that line And then they made something of it and it's like it's such a dumb joke and not I don't say that to like As like a detriment to the writing or anything Like I I feel like that joke was written with the intention of the audience going oh my god That's so dumb like rakukuni instead of ratatouille, but then they actually do something with that Um, but anyway, sorry. I don't mean to jump ahead. No, it's all good. Uh So yeah, um, she refused the killer and so he pulls a gun on him I think the reason you didn't pull the gun out straight away was because uh He was trying to see if he could get her to do it There's like a sort of test so at this point if she's not willing to he's gonna have to kill a lot of them. Um and uh she uh She says uh, he says it's only a matter of time before you become like her and That like twigs avalan on to thinking about that as a strategy It's like maybe that's what she should pursue And like she's having that thought and the music swells as though she starts dancing And it's such a like Wait what because you might have forgotten how the rules work for a little bit with that and fucking gogog just says What the fuck are you doing? This is uh But yeah, and she she just prompts a slingshot and she just goes with it. Um, she ends up with wayman's voice That's what she ends up grabbing randomly Is she getting instruction from her headset presumably at that point where it's like do this and then she dances You know what I mean? the the nature of For like the alphavers people I think they are told by their operators what slingshots to do to get specific powers while she is more so at this point Trying to work it out on her own as in choose to do inaccurate or incongruent things and then uh think Focusing hard on a world she wants to get to um, okay, and because obviously she's like a super being in waiting, uh That works for her where it wouldn't for the alphavers people um But it's not reliable as you can see she ends up uh having a bird voice for a little bit um And she she then her third try she manages to Cycle into like a maid in an alternate life for the the irs building And uh, she finds out there's a secret door in this room that she can use And so she pops her family in there while she tries to explain the situation and um It's uh, because yeah, it's it's all getting a little bit more and more complicated like uh Getting all these variables thrown in and so it's getting so much more chaotic and basically uh Gonggongs decided that he needs to bring in his is alpha force to to kill her Because obviously jobu is out of the story right now, but the other enemies to worry about They want to kill her so that she doesn't become a second enemy for them to have to deal with uh with splintering her head and stuff um And so yeah before they can get to her because they all they all activate I think he says like any agents within the area Converge on this location because we've got a killer And so they all start arriving all different kinds of people one of them is the uh the security guard We got hit in the face like twice with the with the fanny pack. He's like outside giving a um an interview with the police And then they all just start walking in Uh, yeah, she gets a moment to talk to to draw to joy and she says um, I know you have these feelings feelings that make you so sad that just You just want to give up, but it's not your fault. It's her that it's like really It's getting somewhere. It's working somewhere and then she describes her as juju chubaca Just like kills the moment for a daughter um, yeah But yeah, they toss a I think tear gas into the room And so she uses um, I'm afraid I'm really not going to be familiar with Whatever this is Because they're in a btsm dungeon basically, uh Like a secret door and she she uses an item puts it up to her nose To do something to activate a slingshot and she gets into a world where she sang And they even show you like the pathway for how she got there was uh when she was little she was running she slipped Uh, which they dare I say set up before one of her memories with gong gong is him telling her not to run In different places and so I think they're trying to imply the pathway where she chose to ignore him. She fell and uh It's it's it's not nice. I think she like literally stabbed both of her eyes out Uh, because she falls on like a stick. She's holding or whatever Childish I think yeah something like that But that takes her to a world where she became a singer and she's got a heightened awareness of everything around her Beyond their sight obviously and uh increased lung capacity which has helped for In lots of ways kind of kind of just taken some dead evil attributes essentially yes, um And when she breathes in uh, they they change the aspect ratio again just That is now it's it's it's fun the way that they do it with like the smooth transitions because you know Sometimes there are movies that will just jump between 16 by 9 And then like uh, is it it's like 23 by 9 or whatever the aspect ratio is for films I'll just jump back and forth between them because they shot on different cameras and didn't give a shit About maintaining their aspect ratio Um, you know transformers 5. Have you ever seen that? Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. Oh many times like leaps. Yeah, I know it's it's it's truly like a masterpiece Sometimes it hard cuts between aspect ratios and sometimes it smoothly transitions where you see It's very uh on purpose. It's not just like, uh, well, we shot with the wrong camera. Shit. We didn't get it right. All right Well, too bad. We're just gonna jump between these aspect ratios Yeah, like cropping or editing or fixing it up That always bothered me in the dark night when they would cut between I'm actually the regular camera footage Yeah, I don't like that when you're just jarring. There's no reason to it. Yeah Yeah, I totally agree like they uh A lot of the time where they are moving into The action or a cinematic sequence. They'll um, they'll make use of knowing that that change is coming as opposed to they just change Um, which yeah, it can be jarring if it goes back and forth and back and forth Um, but I wouldn't I wouldn't judge a film too harshly if it just You know one cut whole action scene one cut back It's just when it gets excessive I think So, yeah, she gets she gets all that and we get another action scene one where she's um Avoiding Everybody while she's looking for get to get gas masks off of them Which I guess is a reasonable assumption if they're using tear gas on her She can toss them to her family and then she swallows like a frog Statuey the little piece. Um To prompt another slingshot. No Pretty got very upset about that moment That's okay, uh He's gonna have to poop that out later She is yeah, we never saw that part in the movie. That was probably a wise choice. It's implied Um, so well, unless you you know, she can just can You know, it's fine. Never mind. Uh, so she slingshots then into another universe where she's uh, like the We've seen the guy outside before um He was like a pizza salesman person who's spinning around the little board. You see him all the time in different places Yeah, yeah So, uh Yeah, the the the idea being that she she gets access to that So she's got really good control with with a a board like weapon There's I don't even know if that was just fair to say and she grabs a riot shield off one of the uh The guards in the action scene goes like that. Um I don't know Channeling the abilities of a pizza sign spinner to be able to spin that shield around and deflect all the attacks, right? Yeah Is it an issue plot wise that all of these people were able to get in the building with the police outside? Um, well some of them are police. So I assume you could argue that they're going to be letting people in Maybe it's just something I noticed when I watched it first through then I saw one of the policemen turn and I was like That's something but I don't know I think for this upcoming fight too something you notice that I mentioned before is the prop work with the shield Is definitely Jackie chan inspired 100% also I think for plot devices I don't know if this counts as looking ahead or looking behind I think at some point you have to not treat everything too linearly like maybe they could have come from nowhere This is kind of a question I have in the beginning of the movie. You remember how she punches the irs agent, right? Yeah, wasn't that supposed to be the original like all the way universe? Like that she was in but I think that kind of goes away. I don't know if this comes as a spoiler or not No, I think you're right. Uh, that's something a lot of people are still trying to figure out about this film exactly What happened to the original timeline that she was in and a lot of people I've seen arguing Uh, the second she punched her in the face is like the splintered timeline and that we saw the splintered one rather than the one That let's say maintained the one that maintained is probably the one that he went into the van to talk to her about the divorce And then she left that one again that one continued to go back to the laundromat and like It's the one that's the most Unharmed by all the multiverse stuff. And so I think that's the one she ends up going back to It's hard to keep track. Yeah, so much happens There's an establishing shot earlier in the movie as well with this pizza sign spinner in it that foreshadows this Yeah, like I said, it was shown before so it's just like a fun. In fact, it's a little thing, but It's probably what she used As reference, I think they drive past it at the beginning. So she would have picked it up as a visual Yeah, and then gone with it. Yeah, but like I said, I can't really play a lot of this because there's a copy patissims better It's pretty fun. It's pretty cool. And the music matches all the main hits Once again because what they're working with it makes for a very fun moment. And the first thing, um They sort of uh do once that because she defeats them all and like her family come out And Wayman is like did you kill that guy and she fucking kicks a wrench into his head and he goes She's like no Don't worry about it. It's fine. They'll be fine um Give me one second, you know, yeah, if there's anything else anyone's talking about this this scene because I just got No, it just it's it's so much this fight if you compare it to the first one It's still has that exciting aspect of it. And of course the characters are different the location is different And you know, it's darker in terms of the lighting. The music is different It's it's there's there's a lot of variety In the action sequences in this even when they you know when they go out later And there's another fight that happens here in the building It's just it all feels different all of the fights feel very different Even though some of them are like it's the same character is fighting each other It just it feels so different the way that they use the environment and the props that they have at their disposal It it just keeps things fresh. You're not just watching the next acrobatic punch Thing and it doesn't sort of feel samey samey a lot of good variety in the action that's happening yeah, um Yeah, because I was first saying it's not just Jackie Chan stuff Well, we'll get there like like certainly a strong influence and for lack of a better term It's just that there's they include some other stuff once we in fact, it's like the following scenes, I think And Yeah, it's just uh It's just good to see good action sequences I feel like nowadays combat and fights and movies are done so lazily and the choreography is It's it's not done well. It's not acted well. There's so many cuts. You lose track of what's going on but There you can just have fun with these and it's backed up by the fact that it seems to make some level of sense In terms of the the style that they're trying to present And the fact that it even has this style at all instead of just oh, it's a good thing all the bad guys missed all the time or Oh, it's a good thing that our main character has plot armor, you know that they do work to describe How can she be in front of you know around all these people in this small area and she could still win Like well because she does this and she does that and we set that up later It's a really good use of the power it gets a lot of it's a lot of like reuse ability It's a power that lets you do all kinds of different things and it has a lot of different applications I agree and did you notice there's one guy in the scene who's wearing like A trench coat a long black trench coat of fedora and he has a katana Yeah, he's got the gas mask on This is a true gamer It's nice to like have representation for reddit users in this in this film, you know, like they get What person straight up what we love reddit? Oh, yeah, everyone does um Yeah, but yeah, uh, we're at we just hit four hours. Um It's not it's not a bad ratio as it was with dog strange, too But I was just gonna say um It would seem because destiny here for those who don't know He has like a whole other thing that he does on online all the time and it involves all kinds of Amazing events every day. So he's gonna have to have to leave us. I'm afraid Uh, I don't know if you'll be able to get back in time to talk about the stuff that's much more interesting about this movie Hopefully you do more BS. We explored yet. Um, yeah when I uh when I finish my stuff I'll shoot you guys a message. I'll see where you're at and then we can come back in for a power at the end or something. Yeah, if um Like I don't want to restrict you like if it ends up being that you need to do your stuff all day or whatever And that's that's totally fine. I'll ping you for when we actually get to like the last act Let's say so you know that it's happening at least Yeah, sure. Yeah, you can shoot me a message. Yeah, okay. Alrighty. Well, um, yeah in case you don't make it back Thanks for uh, thanks for joining us. Yeah, it's been fun. I'll loop back in. Hopefully I'll see you guys at it, right? Okay here for me, man. Take care To the loo. See ya um Right, so The film is pretty much established that Evelyn's getting much better at this. She's uh, she's got her understanding. It's coming along Yes And so uh, they start I already seen what's happening next this shit, man so they're just trying to move through the building I think to get to a safer area and uh Then she hears a noise to her right And you get this shot Which um, damn You know, I probably should attend the volumon for that. It would have been more satisfying. But hey, um This is yet another one of those things of like it'll test your ability to sort of run with this movie or to be like Nah, this is too ridiculous. Um We didn't have much trouble with this so she's attacked by the lady from the beginning if you guys remember it and she has A dog on a leash that she's using Like a ball and chain What is what is even the weapon that is that like a mace on a chain? Flail Is it? Okay. Yeah. Well, that's essentially what she's doing. Um It is what was the word Uh, he said flail Flail, okay It is fucking nuts. Yeah, uh We need chat. It's not a flail. Right. You wouldn't have lied to me. Would you I mean I um, it's similar. It's sim. Definitely similar to a flail You're a suit. I want you to realize what you're asking me to compare a real weapon to Oh, I said a ball on a chain has got a name, right? It's like a flail. Yeah Morning. Well, I was thinking I was thinking mace, but I guess there's a difference between that and like something with a lot More slack to it or this all is on the ground and you kind of fling it So that's that's a let's say that's like a flail there, right? It's like a morning star Not to be confused with an evening star So a morning star it has it's like a the flail. It's got the chain on it And it's got the the ball with the spiky bits generally and the evening star I think it's just the shaft with the long mace head Oh, okay. I didn't know that and I think in the in the flail is generally like, uh It's it's the ball chain with the spiky bit on it Right Okay flails have like as many as multiple balls on chains as well Yes, they I suppose they could But um, this is as absurd as we're describing it. She literally fucking is twirling him around the little dog of uh It's it is it it hurt to see one of my people Used in this kind of a way, but it is Did you know that dog rags? He's a great actor I did not know that dog personally, but yet you don't need to You dogs don't don't all just hang out No, we don't all just hang out Do you just hang out with all people? What if I would see you I mean I see a human in a movie which happens a lot. I'm not like, hey, john, you know that uh, you know, you know them, right? You hang out You know that human don't you you know on the earth somewhere. Yeah, you know that human person Um, so she grabs some uh I'm so out of the out of the fridge and drinks all of it. It's like two liters of some shit So she can slingshot herself. She gets access to a um Look at all this power. She just kicks the dog to stop the twirl It's so absurd. Um, yeah, she she gets access to like a chef world where she's uh, she's cooking up a storm But it gives a I guess familiarity with cutlery, which is enough to um Get her through this this particular moment, but uh, I think I will play no one ever robs the habachi grills I will probably play the sound for this one because it's funny, but uh, all right chat Here we go. Okay God vlc work, please That fucking dog Now my my head canon is that the dog is totally fine. He's just a little shaken That's a little shaken. He's fine though. He'll walk it off. It was a stunt dog. It's fine. Don't worry about it Yeah, exactly. It was a stunt dog. They're trained to know how to bounce off cubicles and fly through the air It's fine. It's all part of the the stunt. This is the stunt work And yeah, I uh, I love the her reaction to seeing that is no Johnny It's just like so absurd like it's like deliberately shitty acting or something that's going on here There's like super campy. I don't even know this woman is crazy. Uh, the best kind of way I think But is that the dog's name johnny? I guess so. Yeah, okay Which um, it's only fair, you know, and yeah, evelin like spins up a egg timer. I think Uh, slams it right into the bitch's face great Who's those are egg timers? So that means that even though there are many many many many many many things That you would want to time in a kitchen eggs. They really, um I guess they the name they took over in terms of naming They decided of all the things to time eggs for whatever reason they got to be the name for the timer And I wonder how that came to be Because because a lot of people cook a lot of eggs, right? Yeah, people cook all kinds of stuff. That's what i'm saying But they chose like eggs got to be the thing, you know, it's not like a bake timer or a I guess because you need to be pretty close to the mock with eggs chicken time. Yeah, I suppose so Yeah, it needs to be my new to adjustments because you know a minute if you put chicken in the oven And if you're off by a minute, it doesn't really matter But an egg. Yeah being a minute over that'll that'll get you that your your egg will get you in trouble town Because you like it Yeah, better to be over though than under so, um What's funny is she goes back to the chef world a little bit and realizes that she fucking literally fired an egg at a customer And the guy is like if you don't Get better and give you shifts to I think shad is the Is the other chef there, but uh, you'll notice something when they cut close to him What's going on? What's going on in the back there? What's that? Hmm. Very interesting Uh So, yeah, um, but then Uh, she's like they think they're in the clear but then another another lad from the I think the alpha squad whatever shows up to fire Uh with like poles and so I think at this point she's literally just using her skill with cutlery to defend herself. Um Chad, you know good enough What what about chad I they used to be able to defend yourself with cutlery. I think that's pretty That's a chad move. Yeah Um So, yeah, the she does pretty well against him, but at one point they they smash into their, uh Little earpieces resetting them And that essentially means that they both now lack the access they had to whatever powers they'd they'd gotten from their jump points So they're just normal people And um, they even have a little slap fight to show it and it's pretty funny and you get What I guess is One of the Like again, it would be one of the funniest payoffs or it could again throw you out of the movie I really would hope for the prior but they're both Trying to consider what jump points they could use What what a shared thing can you do? and they're in the office building of these um These irs agents vol got oh shit. We didn't set a flag for that, did we? I forgot So I can't believe we forgot. I can't believe we forgot that. Yeah So there are trophies that you can get as an irs agent to recognize your hard work and uh They they both spot one. Uh, that's on a table now Judging by the shape of it, um There's there's a couple of options you have here to do something absurd Yeah, we did forget to to to mention it, but um, yeah, so they both realize Shekhov's uh award slash Yeah I didn't want to say it He's like you never expect to see a movie with this level of execution and budget Have a scene where our protagonist is trying to prevent someone from shoving something up his ass That is actually what this seat is But it's all being set up with all of the mechanics that they have in this story. It's great. There's a reason for it. Yeah This all makes sense, dare I say, uh That is fucking hilarious Or at least we found a hilarious But yeah, she she managed just to keep it away from him and they actually like they stopped fine on the floor and um Waymond and joy start suggesting crazy things she could do to prompt a slingshot because they only have a brief understanding that She needs to do weird things. That's all um Yeah, yeah from their perspective that you just do a weird random thing and it works and so Joy suggests blowing his nose With like with him out to make him feel weird Yeah, it's just a really weird thing to do because uh wayman says do jumping jacks and she says that's not weird at all It's like, yeah, I guess that's not that weird to do jumping jacks You know, it's not it's not bad out of the room Yeah, not compared to all that other weird stuff because we saw we saw a whole bunch at once when they were fighting in the office Uh when they all needed to adjust their skills when they got in the room and one like z rocks his butt One of them was licking the column. One of them was like humping a a lamp lamp. Yeah Yeah, like they were just doing all this weird stuff That's the thing is just the boring congruent with what you would have done the better That's actually something wayman says when he first introduces this idea to her He explains it all and then she says that makes no sense and he goes exactly This is like the there's sometimes where that light is just bullshit But like the way they do that is great because that's his whole point. You have to do things that don't make sense Yeah Although the framework is correct for a line of that for a line like that to work, you know So while they're fighting A third person gets involved in this in this battle And he this this third person is also aware of the potential jump point. They've just highlighted Just like the deodorant where she's go with a knee coming out you're like right at them Like when you see this image in the film This is a serious movie that has very important things to say about the human condition It really is I was alone in the theater except for one elderly couple watching this movie And I was laughing like a fucking idiot during this and they I don't think they were laughing Maybe a few like snickers, but it's just like dude. How can you not find this fucking hilarious? What's happening right now? You know I couldn't believe what I was seeing he just slabs right down and he's like so very Happy with himself for having, you know committed to that decision and I really like the um I really like the the sensor how it's blurred. Yeah They don't they don't try to hide it artistically or anything like that or just cut off the frame at the side They're just like now. Fuck it. They just censor it in a very obvious way That makes I can't love that It's funny or yeah, I I can't even explain why it just is I was so impressed by how aligned my laughter was with the intent of the film You know because usually when I'm laughing at films nowadays, it's like all for the wrong reasons because the execution is terrible Well, I was even surprised that uh, there would be moments where they've got their absurd crazy bullshit and They've used the world established of the crazy bullshit to do something a little bit more serious Like that happens a bit later a couple of times We're one of some of the universes we're familiar with and it was working for me and it wasn't Like I can't take this For what it what you're trying to say with what you mean Um Because it's so absurd. It was actually getting through but it's the thing It's a really tough balance that they try and maintain in this film of this Yes Getting the right feelings across. It's a tough one Um Yeah, and then they have their uh Big ol fight scene while and I think rags you the first one to point it out when we're watching it It's still in him. It's just hanging out. It's just dangling They're a little generous with it. He must be his his cheeks must be really squeaky During this whole fight to keep that in But it's so funny to see them fighting in this They're fighting with stuff sticking out their butts And that's just part of the movie I feel like this is a really strong example of I guess uh, if like somebody's approaching telling a story finding Mechanics that you can did a really versatile that give you a lot of options for um, whatever it is You're trying to achieve and in this case it's comedy. This is like, what are our rules? um If you want to gain attributes from another universe, you need to do things that are so out of the ordinary Uh, that it will slingshot you into those universes and you can acquire those attributes It's like out of the ordinary. What does that mean? It's like depends on how imaginative you are But in this case, well, let me show you because remember this is the multiverse you can essentially do whatever you want um And I think that's what they recognized while they were making this film They had to have because this is what's this is what they've created Is like, yeah, let's have them shove trophies up their bums and that'll catapult them into universes where they've got like crazy skills. It's just um I guess it's almost thinking about like, uh, like your your mechanics in your story and like a speculative fiction story Or almost like a canvas And it's like the more the more breadth you can afford uh those rules The more um the more you can fit onto that canvas This is more what I would call meaningful creativity if you compare it with multiverse of madness Multiverse of madness with a much much much larger budget Gives you so much less feeling about the multiverse And this with such a tinier budget does it in a more creative way And it's because budget is budget is irrelevant. It's it's the uh, it's the writing essentially I guess it would be the budget would help you realize the idea, right? Yeah Yeah, it's like it's realizing particularly with visuals and because if you go back to multiverse of madness They have the paint dimension and all these crazy just crazy shit, right? But we only saw a tiny little glimpses Yeah, it was like uh, it was a cool sequence But it was nothing meaningful when it comes to leveraging the multiverse is what we talked about when we talked about the film It's like how many multiverses do we go to so we have Our universe a slightly more futuristic universe and an empty Kind of breaking apart universe. It's like there is no universe where say like, I don't know Loki one and there are a bunch of Tatari everywhere Or like a universe where um humanity didn't evolve to exist at all and it's filled with dinosaurs or something We see it glimpse of it. We don't spend any time there It's like so it's not really a meaningful exploration of any of these are these worlds My brain just is like, oh, what it's just a visual that That's neat and while world that's kind of neat like oh a cartoon world Huh fun, but you don't do anything with it other than show it But the hot dog finger world Yeah, I don't yeah Think about everything In the movie when they're dancing the king and I the that movie they're they're making the motions with their hands Like that's how they dance in their world and it's all that And everyone's really good with their feet like that world you feel like it could actually exist because they give it some time to Get a little bit of details and this well, it's just it's cause and effect Think about uh when cause and effect relies everything. It's pretty clear in a multiverse story How cause and effect is going to be relevant. It's like what would make this change and what would be the um Changes that would stem from that one change in this case. It's like well if people have hot dogs for fingers I guess they're going to get good at using their feet But it's not only it's like so the hot dog universe could have just been a gag It could have just been a little gag and it's like so what does it achieve? First of all gets her out of the cuffs in a logical way because her hands like adopt kind of the attributes of the hot dog fingers They go floopy gets her out and it's like, okay, that's good. So we've achieved that We get a gag out of it with her trying to do the fight in um in her world It doesn't really go anywhere. We have the ganks that stem from that universe But we're also establishing that this Evelyn with hot dog fingers has a relationship with deagerie Um that we're going to pull back in later and then we do something meaningful with it towards the end It's like you could have you could have just gone for layer one But then you push it further to like layer two and three And you start to get something really valuable Like you're extracting as much as you can from this idea feel like that's a good way to describe this film I don't know that there's anything where i'm like, yeah, you didn't really explore that too much You could have done more with that This is not an impression you get And when you have something like the paint dimension and dr. Strange they show it briefly and that america brings it up once And i'm just like you you weren't ever paint you were never paint that would like I can't even begin to to fathom how that would change your concept of existence If you were sentient paint Even if you reference it and show it with all the visuals and money that you have to throw at that I just don't believe you. I believe the hot dog finger world You know More than the illuminati world and we spend like half the movie in the illuminati world Absolutely It's not even a matter of time that really explains how these things that comes down to Because we talked about a lot right expeditious writing in a sense of how much can you achieve at once that it's generally A sign of really competent writing when you're achieving two or three things like at a time Whether we go broadly like two or three things in a scene Or like two or three things with one line of dialogue where it's like it not only advances the plot but there's subtext It tells us something about what the character believes or it's on theme Or um, it's foreshadowing, you know and um in this case It feels like there's so many instances you can point to where you're achieving multiple things at once like You know getting a gag out of a um out of um this multiverse jumping and how you gain these attributes But also tying it into like a mechanic that um Is gonna be more meaningful and affecting like you know, I guess scenes where the stakes are more real Uh not to say that like the fight here doesn't have meaningful stakes, but um You know, it's like kind of marring comedy and drama Yeah, uh someone had mentioned it in the chat and so I looked it up Uh, but everything everywhere all at once was filmed within about 37 days There's a tough production schedule That's short Yeah, this was all This was all done in 37 days that the acting uh Or it was filmed within 37 days Yeah Took them a lot longer to film Dr. Strange Uh, yeah, and the grand scheme of things is the first or second time around you talking about Is there they had to do it lose a reshoots as well, right? Oh, yeah, they did I'm only talking about the first bout of principal photography. It's probably twice or three times as long then plus reshoots This is what michelle michelle. Yo, is that how you pronounce it? Yes Uh, she said Daniels, I guess the director the one of the directors. I think there's two of them their brothers. Yeah, Daniels Daniels knew exactly what they were doing They knew the script inside and out backwards and forwards up and down and all the way around It was like they were the everything bagel. They had everything inside those two heads They're like the evil geniuses. I think the most important thing was they were so well prepared That they were able to find the time to try little adjustments along the way Um, which is And and not I guess that's super impressive as well to be able to make those adjustments and have it all slot in with What you intended from the beginning And with so much with how much you have going on This this is a this is a Very well oiled machine with a lot of parts in it And it all works. That's incredible. That's that's And and I think it's impressive right all the lord of the rings was filmed in like a year You know, like that's impressive considering there was all three movies 14 14 or 15 months because it was like the end of 1999 until like the end of 2000 Yeah And like that shit's impressive According to its scale and everything like that and this do it shooting this in 37 days. Damn well, I guess that's the thing is um, it's kind of uh and it makes you think like I guess maybe there is something wrong with the way that like a big budget marvel movies work where it's like Just the nature of how much like post production and How much you need to account for during the shoot that it's like you've got a very long Production schedule because I think a lot of movies used to be shot in like a month or two months at most um Now it's like common for it to be four or five months Sometimes like but then again a lot of the rings manage to keep it all and a lot of the rings has way more variables than standard marvel movie Yeah, at least And getting every yeah, it's just because you know the lord of the rings is an actual cohesive story like the marvel universe now It's like a couple of what's just because people will be like well They're planning something It's like nothing really in the same way that the fellowship of the ring lays the groundwork for the payoffs of return of the king, you know Yeah Apparently the directors also aren't brothers that I said that but it's not true I think there's one of them is daniel's one's american one's chinese. Yeah, so one of the many stupid things that i've said I apologize I think they're brothers. Oh, no, I was just Everybody's got goose. There's no way that you can ever do like Lengthy bouts of swimming without saying something really stupid every now and then. Yeah, I just thought of them as like the kohen brothers, you know, it's like Yeah, yeah russos Yeah Or um, wait, they're not brothers. I was about to say miller and um, their first names are both daniel. I think that's what they call themselves Daniels as a group. So that's why that's a fun little meme yeah like It's just gotta be another I feel like that joke uh, you were just like grasping like where's the uh the name that can come in and help me out here Like some sort of comparison. It just wasn't there That's like unfortunate weston or Bartles and james Imagine if there was a duo of directors called smith and weston or like, I don't know baron sterns. That'd be real awkward Yeah, we're baron studs Oh, I thought they don't exist anymore. That is a really obscure reference I I don't I don't even know I brought it out. How many people here even know anything about best studs My name is goldman his name sacks You know We have a we have some local lawyers here called the rainwater holt and sexton so there's a trio there What are you gonna call your law firm? a Rainwater sexton that's gotta be really unfortunate if like you had partners It's like what do you want to call your investment bank? Well, my name is morgan and his name is stanley. So It's like stanley morgan is like is that okay? Can we get away with that? Yeah, that's fine Just um, hey, I mean, this is what you come to efab for really shit references to investment banks Well, there's the brand johnson and johnson There is why don't they just call it johnson the johnson's yeah johnson's brand because one of them would feel left out The less confident one would have felt left out Who got the you know how like people will fight who's who's got the first name Who's the first one, you know in the like starsky and hutch. It's like and hutch You wonder if they're like what i'm the first johnson, you know, i'm johnson one You're the and johnson Because I I assume that they will Because not all the time they'll work both forwards and backwards because some things just sound better than others and they Roll off the computer. Yeah, but generally you'd want to if it's all things being equal you'd alphabetize it, right? Or at least um, I don't know. I think that uh, I think that there's a multiple factors that come into play number one would be um A level I think number one is which one just sounds better like which one Like stanley morgan, but then again the problem is I don't know if that's because yeah But but I guess it's like family working That sounds like it could be an actual name stanley morgan It well, but and so does morgan stanley. Yeah, I guess well here's one like it's always tray parker and matt stone It's always um That's generally how they refer to each other. It's like tray parker and matt stone. It's like is that Matt stone and tray parker. It's like I guess that one sounds pretty much the same So like how do we distinguish it further? It's like tray comes after matt But then it's like I imagine the reason why it goes that way is because tray does most of the writing and matt's um More involved on like the producer side, I believe So maybe it's like you arrange it in the order of like who is the uh, I guess the biggest creative contributor Um, maybe you know, like well, I guess there's also a superficial thing where the name with the most syllables goes last Matt strone and tree parker is what I've always heard Oh, you always hear matt stone. I always say tray parker and matt stone. This is what I mean I feel like it doesn't even I guess it's um Yeah, I'm not sure uh How you would do it I'm sure that there's an art to coming up with names where you combine two names together Lilo and stitch. Yeah stitch and lilo doesn't like it just doesn't sound ratchet and clank. It's like clank and ratchet I don't know Yeah, I wonder if that's because of the fact that we've heard it the other way Yeah, I know that's what I mean I guess the thing is though is that you think about those it's like well The reason why it's called ratchet and clank is because ratchet is like the main character playable character like that I was about to say ratchet and daxter That's what makes it happen. Well, it's uh, I guess it's it's kind of interesting because I feel like um Jack and daxter are like the uh, like they're both the protagonist But it kind of makes a lot more sense to call that series jack rather than jack and daxter because you're mainly jack Like at least with that with our clank. He's doing stuff with his um, like his jetpacks and Thrusters and all of the abilities that he'll add on whereas like I don't know like daxter doesn't really help that much He's just kind of there Chill it out. Those games are awesome. Jack and dax. What about the Anna? So cool. All of those games. What about banjo and kazooie. Which one is which because I'm just Banjo is the bear kazooie is uh, she's the um, she's the bird Okay, and what's the one that you did the video on yuka lately? Yeah Well, yuka is the uh the chameleon and lately is the bat Okay, yuka the bat. All right. Is there is there an instance of a of a character where the Where they flip it around Yeah, we're the we're the guy on the back whatever if it's whether it's a purple bat or a red bird I don't think there's an ever been one where it's not the guy that's doing the running and jumping Um, usually the guy in the back or on the shoulder is the sidekick I guess the problem is now i'm struggling to think of any other examples of video games where you have dual protagonists like that Wait, uh, just because I clicked on it because I I googled banjo kazooie just to make sure but Uh, apparently as of march of 2021 Uh, greg males, uh, are mailies lead designer and director for banjo kazooie Confirmed the relationship in a conference of the cartoon couples conjugal coupling in clinker's cavern Apparently banjo and kazooie are married and they Fuck They did a sex that's canon. I guess lead designer and director canon Jerry and tom it's like yeah that that's just cursed That's just jerry and tom and as far as i'm concerned the real protagonist of the series is tom anyway We all agree on that right like jerry's a prick Or do we not agree on that? Um, I don't know it's i guess tom's trying to figure it out right Well, the thing is is that jerry so i've talked about this before chop jones laid out pretty clearly his rules for like Wiley coyote and the road runner and one of the big ones is that like the road runner never actively sabotage is the coyote He never like goes out of his way to fuck with him He only ever minds his own business and uh wiley coyote screws himself over with contraptions or greed or you know Or like selfishness and so what that means is that for as much as you feel bad for wiley coyote You never you never root against the road runner um For the most part because sometimes he messes with him whereas jerry is actively antagonistic towards tom There'll often be times when tom is minding his own business jerry comes along Like tries to fuck with him and then tom gets pissed off and tries to attack him and then um, and then you know Well, it's a reason why itchy and scratchy. It's always itchy. Who's like needlessly cruel to Yeah, just delicious You feel bad for tom in a lot of the episodes I feel bad for him all the time. He's the protagonist as far as i'm concerned tom almost always aggressive. I'm pretty sure you're wrong, dude Because you have a um because a lot of the time it's the it's the The housewife or the the owner essentially of the house is like tom You better catch that You better catch that mouse or else you're like you're out in the cold or something like that You're like, oh, well, I mean jerry is squatting You know Like, you know, you you feel bad for tom. He's I just say I feel a hell of a lot worse for tom like and And because I feel bad for wily codey as well, but like I find him a lot more I think there's a level of like man Tom gets hurt really bad like every time with the road runner It's like a funny sort of pain like the kind of looty tunes pain where it's not like It's not like yeah, I just crushed your foot and you're screaming because of how agonizingly painful it is It's like an explosion goes off and you just stare at the camera As you just integrate. I love wily Road runner. That's like some of the best shit ever made I guess it's what it said remember when tom thought he was going to hell And like tom is chasing after Oh Do you know do you know the name of his uh, do you know the name of his girlfriend the white cat with a ribbon? I don't Her name is toodles galore Nice interesting name She's the white cat. She's got the long eyelashes red lipstick the purple Uh eyelid makeup things stuff, whatever it's called the big ribbon. Does that predate? Was he galore or no? Well, it's probably what it's referencing. I think it would uh, I think it is referencing that movie So it would be after that movie, right? It's just funny because i'm yeah, because i'm like man, which of those two is even older because they could Tom and Jerry started in the 40s, right? That's what i'm saying. Oh, yeah, you're right. Fuck here. Let me go to the official tomm and jerry wiki and look at toodles galore Uh, let me see his gold toodles in 70s. Maybe that's 60s Uh, let me see. Uh, let me see first appearance. There's got to be a first appearance here. Uh, pa pa pa MGM the alley cat debut. So this was in 1941 she first appeared in the alley cat. That's gotta predate bond then I think so. Yeah, if this was 41 the name for james bond was inspired by this side character and tom and jerry Either that or they both have inspiration this one. I just don't know of I guess maybe It's all owned by mgm too. So it makes sense. Oh That's right. Well, tom and jerry belongs to amazon now, right? Oh, good. Yeah, it does. They did a movie in 2021. Didn't they they did it had uh, it was like uh Who frame roger rabbit except it was 3d animated like they do the cell They did the like 3d 2d thing. Didn't they accidentally release the snider cut Through that. Oh Yeah, yeah That's a pretty good me business The snider cut through tom and jerry 2021 Dude, that's so funny because the beginning of that film is super bad getting impaled That's screaming. It's like, why am I watching this? Imagine that you're like, hey kids, you want to watch tom and jerry Oh, yeah, well, yeah, because bond was a book first But again, I don't even know if those books would have predated tom and jerry's I don't Well, it depends on when that character arose. Let's go. Yeah, specifically because that would be is that goldfinger the pussy galore is in I can't remember Tom and jerry wiki Let's see Pussy galore is in goldfinger for sure You don't have to pause on on wow the tom and jerry wiki's got like many many many pages I bet there's well, it's been around for What's the name of the lady cat name the lady count? What's her name? You say toodles toodles Toodles galore Oh, okay. So toodles galore first appearance was I don't know if it's even gonna i'm trying her first. Okay, so she debuted in springtime for thomas in 1946 Which means that she probably does predate the james bond character Yeah, barely goldfinger was published in 1958. So yeah, so by 12 years. I got 12 year lead What a strange thing we've just like learned I guess. Yeah, I'm not even thinking about the books I'm just thinking about them. Remember when we were talking about everything every roll it was Yeah, well, so uh While she's battling The guy who put the thing up his butt because she did the the blow on the nose thing the other dude while she was fighting also got something up his butt so They're both like supercharged And um, she fights him for a bit, but then she she does this incredible move That allows her to pull both both plugs out of them um And you just yeah, you sort of at the point when you're watching this that you're just like This is the film that we are watching right now. This is what's happening. These these are the events And I understand it fully Yeah, I think joy's face does kind of summarize The the shock the awe it's it's fabulous Well done. Yeah, but they both crash into like walls after she does that as well. So um She gets a brief moment of feeling victorious Unfortunately for her she is then tackled by gong gong Who drives her into a wall and pins her against it and opens up a grenade and says We'll both we'll both die. That's the way we'll sort this out essentially um And if you notice It's a it's a little bit weird as fuck, but her hands are jammed in such a way that her pinky fingers Are available But you know, what are you gonna do with your pinky fingers, right? They're not strong enough. What are you gonna do with that? I guess you can't do anything movies over Just pinkies. Yeah, this aren't the strongest finger. I don't think or maybe they are or something Um, but then a fly Lands down near the thing which gives her an opportunity to do something weird I think she either crushes it with her nose or she like Snorts it. I I'm not sure. I think she snorts it which is it's the new thing. It's the new street drugs fly And so she gets a slingshot And you can tell now because with this far into the movie that they are sort of speed running Like you you know how this works. They'll just give you the parts you need So she's like kung fu is not just about combat. It's uh kung fu Is like it could be anything even your pinky finger. It's like wait, what? Because you're just like what is this universe? Uh And this universe. Yeah, she she learned to get some gains on that pinky finger. All right That's um, which i'm pretty sure There aren't any muscles in your hands, right or at least your fingers Uh, no your hands have just tendon. So this is this is tendon training, I guess Yeah I have no idea. But yeah, those are those are the tendons right there. That's just that's just helping them get bulgy bastards This is funny though. And then with that power she can split the chair down And uh flick him away Hey That's great great because the movie has earned its way here, you know, it's like Absolutely You do you do a multiverse thing you acknowledge that there's an infinite amount of universes where anything Is possible including a universe where everyone has buff pinkies And there you go. You can use that Yeah, um, so katana man and the joga and swat guy. I think are all here. She uh Just boops them with her. Uh, yeah powerful finger. I mean swat guy's probably dead, but he's not but he probably is Yeah, uh It's kind of like a weird physics thing of she The force of that goes into his face and it sends him up like 10 meters in the air so um He's probably very dead, but that's okay Because you know what she's doing self-transplant. Yeah, he's fine. He'll be fine. Um And so after all of that considering all the antics she's just been through she's kind of kind of having trouble and uh Wayman comes in it turns out it's alpha wayman and he's like you have been very impressive doing great and she's like Really, you know happy and pleased that that's the point that he thinks of his sort of stuff because yeah It just feels like we've come really far and it's it's an hour and 20 minutes I think I remember at this point looking at the timeline being like, holy shit There's another whole hour left like movie When this point that I think you start to realize that this film has a lot more that it still needs to say Yeah, because we've we're almost like through the I guess a large portion of what would have been its own movie where if it wanted to just go this direction Like she's she's done a big amount of learning and training and She can finally she's ready to take on the villain that sort of thing um But yeah, unfortunately, uh Alpha Wayman says I'm not gonna be able to see What you're capable of in full because uh, he's dying Jobu Dunn got him in in the alpha verse And this is actually him coming in to say goodbye Uh But yeah, it takes the box of like I'm pretty sure death of the mentor is like one of the common Um, here's ginyak things. I think what you mean to say is fridged He's been referenced Which you know Fall back the great reference ranks. That's don't you hate it when that happens. I was like we will not e-fap john I think you were right Yes, I was overly sarcastic productions video. Yeah Apparently I saw someone talking about on the disco. Apparently they really like dr. Strange. He's like, oh They did. Yes. So. Oh, no Yeah, I I've argued with some people on twitter about that too because I I posted like what a piece of shit This movie was and I broke my rule where it's just like if I shit on something I provide some Reporting evidence like this is why it sucked But I just I didn't feel the need at the moment to like justify why that movie was so fucking terrible because it's I feel like it's so self-evident But you know Uh, so yeah alpha wayman is dead and if he's dead Which he is killed by her in the other universe. There's nothing stopping joe boo now from turning up and she literally does And so it's like well, wait, have you touched on like her her reaction when she realizes like alpha wayman's dead and it's It's wayman's like normal wayman's back I guess so, yeah, there's a there's a couple things. I realize i'm accidentally skipping over So feel free if anybody realizes I'm missing stuff It's just uh a tonal shift once again. It's just it happens and it it's Well, I guess uh, what I what I like about it is it's highlighting something that will eventually be resolved but it's kind of been happening this whole movie which is that um By circumstance wayman's been getting pushed out of the uh, like the conflict Um, but evelin's kind of okay with it Uh, because she doesn't really perceive him as being helpful in this situation. There's nothing he can offer um You know to to help her solve this problem seems indicative of an attitude that she has towards uh him that we've seen throughout the movie Of like his approach to things. It's just not compatible with her. She thinks it's stupid doesn't help It's a waste of time um I don't think she's quite completed that arc here because as soon as really not Yeah, that's way wayman. Okay. Yeah, sorry about that. I Wait what it's just um, it's it's like it's happened again But in the clearest because now alpha wayman's gone It's now it's just him and she just pushes him off of him Exactly, right. She she's like the original version. She's like, oh my god. You can't help me like yeah This guy, yeah alpha wayman was a fighter and he taught her how to do all kinds of things Now he's gone and i'm just left with the Yeah, the useless guy Well as far as she's concerned. Yeah Yes, because the film still got loads of things to do yet uh so Uh, jobu's kind of like amused by evelyn's confidence. She's like, I can take you on I've I've learned all kinds of stuff now and then she's like, all right then do it and um She starts to just splinter apart into all of the universes we've seen just cracking up and uh Pressure gets to her is too much and she vomits Because that's probably all the the the the drank she had earlier I imagine But it's more so indicative of the fact that her brain is fucking broken melting. Yeah um It was too much. Okay, she went to too many universes all at once That was something that was happening in the middle of her fight with the the two, uh, butt blood guys was um she was like Every time she took a hit she would end up in a different universe and she had to refocus to get back like Just the idea is that it's just not working out. She's her brain can't take it the clay pot. It's smashing And uh, yeah, she actually gets a flat line because uh Couldn't handle it and the implication I think is the uh This is what happens when any evelyn or really anybody uh does this too much And I think that's what happened to the first evelyn we saw whose head like exploded in the beginning or near the beginning It's um joe boo can like expose you to the To the multiverse or you could do it yourself. And I think that's what she was doing. But yeah, she's like Oh, well, we were so close And they even do a little meme here of of convincing you that maybe that's the end of the movie There'd be a little bit of a depressing ending. I guess yeah He said it's quite sad as well because joe boo walks off and wayman does just like desperately fucking losing his shit Because he doesn't understand a thing about what's going on and evelyn is just dead in front of him Like there's no way to You know not address that as this is rough. But uh, yeah End of the movie the short one hour and a half um A bit like wait what but it's uh, yeah They're just having a bit of fun because we actually move she moves into the uh the starlet universe the celebrity universe Where this film was actually the one they were watching and it is kind of cool because if you look at the um When she heads in on the red carpet, there's posters for the film everything everywhere all at once So it's like they're going in in their universe. What she's doing in the film is a film in their universe, you know, I mean But they I guess their version of it ends there or at least that one um But yeah, that's That's really weird. How is she here? What does that mean? Um There's a and then she starts like bumping into other universe. It's like the chef one or the the pizza Uh salesmany one Yeah, it's rakekuni. We see him. Yeah And uh, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is this is terrifying. Well, what could what could it all mean? She even gets nearly gets hit by a car. Damn. Oh, yeah, and she like falls over in the singer universe um You know, it's funny when you get the uh the artifact fuck up in vlc. It's actually helpful for copyright It's like, oh do it distort. Yeah the rakekuni one um It's just it's such a fun because like in in ratatouille funny image If uh, if he was found out by like whoever The one thing you wouldn't expect from this very wholesome and chill fun little thing is the rakekuni It's like she's seen too much. You have to kill it. It's like wait, what? Uh, and it makes the guy Pick up like, uh, I think it's like a spatula Something I forget what he picks up. He picks up a here. Let me look here. We're about to find out. I'm sure Oh, it's just like a little Yeah, it's essentially a spatula That's not sharp. It's a weird that that's the tool that he used but Then it goes into this the the hotdog finger Would land where she's got a relationship with Hotdog. Yeah I just uh about the the rakekuni thing. It's so fucking absurd yet So it's just fun the uh Because like there's a whole puppet shit going on there apparently I think it took like three people to organize and operate that thing. Um And you must have when they pitched it they must have been like this is uh This is gonna be weird. They were like, yep, this is gonna be weird. Let me explain to you the puppet I need This isn't a sex thing. I promise And uh, there's a function to this that's so Effective I think where like in a story of multiverses You include a universe that's based on the dumbest possible thing ever which is in this case It's like a one-off joke that feels like an improvised line You know and later in the movie you find out like oh, they're actually doing a universe with this This is so ridiculous, right? But that's the multiverse, right? It's it's like One boundary of stupidity all the way to the other Like it's just infinite possibility and uh It's important too. The it may come across as like a bit of a meme But the herd knowing that raka kuni is under that all have his is important soon enough. Um The imagery here as well is that there is started up their little little sausage dance In this world and she wishes her off to get her away from it, which is It's really I think that as the audience you'll be laughing at the absolute absurdity You'll be like this is fucking nuts and saying what the hell's going on But like stuff is happening here that is yeah There's like a story and characters and people are reacting to events and like it's something there's substance behind it It's not just hey, hey funny visuals There's something for your brain to actually latch on to And you get like they hang on a shot of a deedra sausage version just Like crying basically because it's just not working everything she tries doesn't work That's what I mean. This is like a complex emotional situation in terms of an audience members like am I supposed strictly laugh or am I supposed to laugh while Simultaneously understanding this is meaningful for these people in this world Yeah, I think it's definitely very deliberately playing with that Yeah, like the audience's reaction to that like what am I supposed to be doing right now laughing feeling bad Um But yeah in the uh celebrity universe she says like any ridiculous thing I think of any Whatever I I believe it's out there it exists I can gather in it head is going back for back for and then she ends up In a much more neutral normal tax world where she's dealing with the taxes And it would seem The implication there is that's what she wanted. She was trying to get back here Is something that's more normal Yeah, because uh She's like calming down a bit and The idea being Oh, well, so I guess uh textually he's like hey, make sure you send off the uh the paperwork the taxes And don't forget to give him the cookies. She likes the cookies So it's the implication being of course the This is like a timeline where none of the insane shit happened. They went home They redid all of their receipts and they're ready for submission now And she's just got to hand them in but she's taking control of this universe for a moment, um But go ahead Well, it's just here's where we get part two everywhere with the exact same framing Uh of part one, uh everything. It's like that that is so deliberate They're like, yeah everywhere in the exact same situation that you were before where you're sorting out your taxes and like you're getting ready for your uh New year like chinese new year celebrations Um, and there's weyman, you know, it's like Hmm. What are we going to be getting at in part two? When it comes to theme Yeah Yeah, and I I'd want to highlight this visual as well where she's choosing a way to put this receipt down particularly And it splits into two Uh, yeah, and I think it's supposed to represent the fact that she now has an understanding of all of this That's a this could be considered the equivalent of when neo stops the bullets Uh He's got a full understanding of his power And I know there's another time you might consider more applicable to that But that's kind of the point of this movie her getting to the point of understanding her power Is not the end of the road for her at all. It's much more I know what you're referring to. I know what you mean. Yeah But she's yeah, so it's so she's pretty happy now because she's like I've got the ability to take on jobu properly Yeah, so begins part two And so and and she gets alerted then by uh the notification of like customers downstairs I guess amusing So this is when the the new year's party has started right this is what kind of frames second act Or the second chapter in the way this movie kind of frames it Yeah, which they mentioned a couple times there was it was going to be happening and that uh, it's just kind of like Everything's carrying on while we're dealing with all the insanity Um And so yeah, uh, it looks like if you imagine this from joy's perspective Who doesn't have anything to do with this multiverse shit? I'm backy after the fight in the morning they have now come back And they're hoping obviously to try again to get backy and gong gong to Probably meet meanwhile our our evalid is just like it's jobu and I must defeat you get out of my daughter I think is what she says Which is like And then she she has no idea what the fuck's going on. Um, but she does something Which gives the audience a good old clue because jobu probably is curious enough to be looking for um for evaline But she's not like it's not the same as being um I guess Fully active everywhere because I don't even know what that looks like as in She has to cycle through things she can hear and and detect across the multiverse and the way we saw her do that before Was uh tilting her head And then um, when evaline's talking to her He's like sounds baffled joy. She doesn't know what's going on and then we see the tilt and it's like, ah, she's here Yep, right I love this uh the visual tension that's been established here, right because we know That she is inhabited by this chaos demon And we've seen what she can do like turning people into confetti and just tearing reality to shreds And now that we we see that this demon has inhabited this person in her What the movie regards as the default universe, right? And it's playing with that tension of like, you know, this character could tear this reality to shreds if she wanted to But she's just like a movie Toying with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I love that. There's just I can't remember exactly where the movie Where in the movie it is but like there's a scene where joy is possessed by Topu topu She like uh limbo's under some police tape It's just like really quick shot, but it's just like Playing with that the imagery of the police tape. It's like as soon as you see that somewhere It's like a really grave situation, right? But she's like just treating it with such She's trivializing it by kind of dancing it under it as if it's like a limbo game Yeah Just like it's just kind of embodies that character so well and this confrontation in the londromat works It's just like oh my god. Is she gonna do something that's just gonna Tear all of this Entire reality to pieces kind of like because we don't actually know As the audience. Yeah, exactly what she wants to do to evlyn what what is you know, what is going on? What is the reason for all of this? Yes, because evlyn believes they're supposed to fight uh And you know if you follow joe boo's actions for all this film so far They don't necessarily seem that way. It doesn't seem that's what she wants Um And yeah, I do love that they pass through the uh the doorway and it moves into like a Like I picture this is more inspired by like crouching tiger hidden dragon Um This will especially with the the sword that she ends up with looks kind of like the the the sword of destiny in that film Except without the patterning I guess But yeah, she says Everything is just a random rearrangement of particles in a vibrating superposition um While cycling through loads of different props and uh It's like there for one frame, but she holds an oscar at one point Really that's I hope so booby I hope so That's funny We'll see um Dude if this doesn't get at least a nomination for editing I'm going to be very disappointed It does it have something something. Yeah, it needs something for sure Um, yeah, and then I think uh evlyn is like I have no fucking clue what you're getting at and then she says um Don't you see how everything we do is washed away in a sea of every other possibility? like I think she's getting at the idea that the decisions you make aren't really Of any meaning because you almost made all of them Like there's no difference with anything anymore. Everything's the same. Everything is nothing Um This is something I think rick and morty always captured so well Is the like the absurdity of multiverse theory where like If we're really taking it seriously the idea that there's an infinite amount of universes where anything is possible They have this one scene where it's like People sitting on chairs ordering pizzas and then it changes into like pizzas sitting on humans ordering chairs Like just every kind of variation of that where it's just like there's absolutely no intelligent design being factored into this universe You're like would this universe ever come about like, you know of its own accord You know if you were just to let the universe just unfold into its infiniteness What a universe like this actually exists. I'm not so sure and with this uh Being established in the other sort of entities they are now we start getting a little bit crazier with these universes they go beyond The smaller variations like did you become a celebrity to the greater variations? Like did you get sausage fingers all the way over to this is literally a Coloring world where they are pictures on a page Very on drawings. Yeah, because these two now are so high in power and they've spread all over the place that it There's just like no limits basically and so This is the kind of thing it's contextualized in a much more meaningful way I think than Doctor Strange 2 basically having just the one moment where it's like look they passed through a bunch of universes Did you recognize any references? Like oh, yeah, I guess I did All right. Anyway back to the story because like that it was never incorporated all that well But um, yeah, she slices herself and then it cuts to her being a pinata that's been hit open Uh, it's like a world where your pinatas like yeah, it's just like yeah, they're just moving through all kinds of um Worlds where she's just trying to make a point It's not really about fighting her but like Evelyn keeps assuming it is Yeah Until she eventually says like I'm gonna beat you I think and then she's like all right punch my face And um, she does and it starts this mechanic that I assume is actually repeated It's not entirely clear what's happening here, but when you I guess as a being like one of those two If you connect with another one it like almost in in a single moment gives you a bunch of variations of all of the Different things that can happen because it like spams through She goes from punching her to like Strangling her to playing games with her to pulling each other's hair to doing each other's hair You know like and I assume it's just running them both through all kinds of uh Choices that could be made Yes So um, yeah, and and it's all experienced at once this comes up again A couple times actually we go but uh, yeah, and then it stops with the punch Jobu just starts going Like lays down on the couch Kind of fun and amusing it was like because it's so fucking baffling at this point You're just like aren't you like this super demon? Why are you fucking around? What's going on? And uh, yeah, because wayman said he's just like are you okay? I just like yeah, I just fell on the couch He's like, okay. He's just like what is she up to? Yeah, what is going on? What are you what are you doing? What's going on here? This ain't right. You're up to no good Any um, I like so much about that character is in some instances It's like appropriate for that character just to just sit in the moment and enjoy The chaos of it all. Yeah, I'm just like having fun with this one person. She's talking to in this instance Knowing that she could be anything in any Universe in that instance. She's choosing to like enjoy the moment in this one universe With this other person. She's curious about this this because she sees, you know, the unique individual We can do this. So she's like, oh, I mean she wants to Study see, you know, yeah, take her time. Yes, she can Right Um, yeah, and he reminds her to drop off the paperwork and she's like, yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, don't worry about it. Take care of it and Kind of funny that that keeps getting reminded because it's about to become super important super soon Um, and he's just trying to help, you know at all Waymond Um So, yeah, she drags Evelyn into the I don't know the the bagel verse. I don't really know what this place is But she's uh, she's introducing her to the idea The the bagel itself And she says that uh, she's felt everything her daughter has as in like This is basically her saying jobu and joy are the same. Um There's no real way that there's no removing jobu from joy. Uh, which is what evlyn's goal is I agree. It should be jobu and joy because joy and jobu just I don't know. It just doesn't have the same ring to her Um Yeah, and she said I felt the joy and pain of having you as my mother was like damn and um They have like a flashback to the uh To gong gong being told that becky's a best friend But like it's a strange kind of flashback because there's apparently one that's shared as though it's being played by jobu as a reminder and then um Uh, evlyn is like Well, he's a different generation and she said you don't have to hide behind him anymore that um That what is right is a tiny box invented by people who are afraid which uh, I think In this context is probably actually referring to gong gong directly that he would have Decided that like like the assumption is that he thinks that I guess being gay is wrong And he's created the box of what is right as a result of fear of what he doesn't understand I guess um, okay, yeah But of course, um that same logic she's using can be extended to just everything Like doing what is right is just a tiny box for people who are afraid of the reality of what she's now preaching Yeah and There's a thing got to give the film it's due it this portion is basically The best argument they will allow jobu to make the writers now for in favor of nihilism She goes through a lot of uh realities and You know if you stop the film After she makes all those claims I feel like you'd be missing a super important component, but I guess we got to go through this In that way, um Well, it's really interesting to think about like what is what is a small box? Drawn around a particular set of behaviors mean in a in a multiverse where literally anything is possible So like this the whole movie plays with this idea of form and void, right? Like you you lose form What are you left with? Well, it doesn't mean anything. It's just like everything infinitely in all directions For an infinite amount of time It's how do you even like how do you find meaning in that and can you live without meaning? Um That is the point of the circle like the bagel is the symbol is it just keeps going like you follow it around I'll just keep going it's like going to suck right just yes It's a it's a loop. It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't lead anywhere. It doesn't have an end And this the circle is used very cleverly in this movie overall It's like a common motif whether it's the bagels or like drawing the circle around the receipts or the washing machine Or all these different symbols, right? Everything going around around around. Yeah yeah um, but yeah, and so Textually right because this is where the film starts to really not Care as much I think for the surface level mechanics, but I still think that we'll we'll point them out for as long as I think they are Still there and still working. Um Jobu's brought it to this special area to show her her bagel that she created by putting everything onto it And it collapsed into this thing and by being exposed to it it Like it'll do it do something to you. It'll it'll introduce you to an idea. Um meanwhile like I guess You could say subtextually. It's more so she's Giving her the what at what nihilism is explaining it almost. Um, and it's it starts convincing Evelyn basically um She says all this time. I wasn't looking to kill you. I was looking to see Looking for someone who could see what I see and feel what I feel Basically that um, she's the only super being of this level So she was looking for someone else who was capable of it and that's why she was just wiping through all the avalanche Until she could find one that could make it um, yeah Which I think really nicely Sorry rags it like cleverly ties back to the more grounded story here of like a daughter On the brink of nihilism who just wants her mother to understand What it is she's going through right and like relative to like all the the infinite possibilities of the multiverse It's just so like contained That grounded story that's kind of framing everything because it is used as like a narrative framework, right? like every this entire movie is framed by the the one day of like The taxes coming to a boiling point at the laundromat and the chinese new year's party later that night It's all framed within that one day, but you have all the sheer chaos kind of framed within that um Sorry, right. I didn't mean to interrupt you man. Go ahead. I just wanted to why why would she need to kill the evalans Well, she's not trying to kill them. She opens up their mind to the multiverse and then they die And she's like, oh, you're not a valid sort of Variation you can't handle it and yeah, it seems that the theory is correct The one that was capable of being able to sustain the multiverse is the one with the least Realized potential I think is what wayman kind of explains um Which you know is is as good of a justification as I think you're gonna get when you get to these kinds of mechanics that are so abstract Like what like, you know, it's hard to derive rules in something so crazy and fictitious as like Becoming a godlike being spread across the multiverse. What is it that mechanically would allow you to be able to become that It's like 40 an hour. It's really up to you at that point as the writer Yeah, um Yeah, so she's she's uh evalin is rung during the party by deardre. Uh, wait, is deardre or deardre? I think it's deardre I was about to say why I've heard people say deardre before right? That's like a way to pronounce that I thought deardre is a name Oh, well, are they not I know it's the name but like yeah, I don't know how you pronounce it. I don't know. I guess Mama D well, okay, uh Yeah, so deardre calls her to say that she should have why the fuck hasn't she given in his stuff and she just says shut up And then she goes, what did you say? Because you don't matter nothing matters and it's almost like I think there could be some people out there in the audience being like, yeah Fuck the irs lady. But of course, this is actually more of a like second act low point In actuality. It's like she's actually being convinced that Why the fuck should I care to solve all these fucking problems? It's whatever It's all the same. It's all everything. Nothing means anything Nihilism Noo Embrace If nothing is anything why why orient yourself towards anything in any direction? Hey, we're gonna get one one response one of the responses you can have to this information Oh, yeah, well, this film goes over a whole bunch of them But we gotta we gotta get its full assessment of uh nihilism out first, which is You get like a reflection of it in each universe. Um in the uh In the starlet celebrity universe. She says that uh, do you really want to like Experiment the idea of us actually getting together. Do you know what would happen? We would end up Uh, living above a failing laundromat doing taxes Uh Like forever basically like telling him there'll be no point in them hooking up because that would be their fate sort of thing Um Taxes forever. I wouldn't worry about that one and then She starts giving a little speech after it does intercut with how she's basically broken up with sausage fingers world She's like nah, we're not doing this. We're done And uh, I know eyes go fully black in the in the Bagel universe. It's like it's all it's all coming down. Oh, deary Oh dear, and she says um Another year pretending that we know what we're doing when really we're just going around in circles doing laundry and taxes laundry and taxes Just like oh, man She's also drunk at this point And you just uh, it ain't going well and then she uh, yeah, she puts the mic mic down and signs the divorce papers Which again, I think uh, what we were talking about, you know five hours ago I think it's true that I I could see that the divorce papers were more so His way of opening up the conversation about it See what would go next not necessarily just ending the conversation with her signing immediately and it being done with He's clearly not happy that that's happening. Um, but fuck it, right? Nothing means anything So, um In a sense like this is all that the villains coming close to really win in here and then or I don't even know how you'd categorize it exactly but uh theater turns up to claim the laundry mat and um out of frustration and Evelyn just fucking grabs a bat and uh I think she says uh, I've always hated this place and starts breaking shit with the bat. She's had enough And I think it's it goes through a couple universes one where uh, look what look look at this look at this is horrible He revealed raka kuni to the world Which um You know, that's the first reveal of raka kuni to the world. Yeah, like she knew about it. Well, yeah Now, you know now, it's like a Dark Souls boss the first reveal of raka kuni The hell bar appears at the bottom I think she screams in the like the singer universe And um, and it ends with one that's probably the the harshest in tips are just like damn. She uh She stabs Wayman's with a shot of glass and like the main one that we've been with in main universe sort of thing um Because yeah, she's basically like fully committed to nihilism A great uh visual metaphor too for like, oh you actually signed the papers like oh my god Might as well have stabbed me in the heart, right? Well, luckily she doesn't stab me in anything lethal, but uh still stab. Okay. Yeah And then I think joy says not a single moment will go by without every other universe screaming for your attention never fully there Just a lifetime of fractured moments contradictions confusion with only a few specs of time where anything makes sense Just uh Very depressing part because it's just like everything sucks And uh, the arrestor obviously for attacking the place And once she's in cuffs, she just folds the ground and Tins into a rock Which um, you may think i'm I don't know saying something non-literal, but I mean It kind of looks that way This goes boom This rock scene was another plateau for me where it's just like I cannot believe what i'm watching right now But yeah, it's work. It's working so well. That's how you know do you mean Peak or do you actually mean plateau? uh Well, because they're kind of on like a plateau, so What yeah, I don't mean it literally in that sense. I just mean like You know like this has reached an other level of unbelievableness where it's like I would not ever expect to watch this in a movie You know or like I can't believe the movie is doing this right now where like you're You're entertaining the idea of them Just being on this cliff edge for like what like three minutes solid of just like no Dialogue or anything just ambient sound and just like subtitled Dialogue over top the rocks because the rocks are like talking to each other And it's almost like are we in the chief in a little bit where i'm reading the subtitles and they're like lacking in Grammar and punctuation a little bit where like they're saying ha ha ha I'm just like I cannot believe i'm fucking watching this right now. It's a fun way to present this. Yeah totally Yeah, and I think that they even bait for a little bit like they show us the rocks for a while And then a subtitle turns up as if for for a moment they might think are we just gonna see them as rocks for a while? It's like no, they're actually gonna talk But those who are like how do rocks talk? Please Amazingly, it's just thank god. It's dramatically Appropriate it feels appropriate to me because like we've you're juxtaposing all this crazy multiverse martial arts Chaos action whatever and then all of a sudden they are two rocks just sitting for minutes Straight and they are just complete potential energy and it's like they're completely inert. They're not They have no form but just to be there sitting rigid not doing anything and that's the point and we're just Sitting there watching that for minutes on end and then And then action follows after that obviously, but just I just appreciated that one moment where it's just like These are two completely inert objects, but they have Like personality ejected into them through this like subtitle device that they're using here, you know the White Joy, I think the black subtitles are uh, Evelyn. Yeah It's an interesting uh Change of pace considering that it comes right off the back of probably the most intense like a moment up until this point Because we just had to her jump it through like a million different universes. Yeah And now we're just hard cut to two rocks sitting on a cliff. It's it's it's a great background as well Like the scenery is is uh is nice. Yeah, it's um It was it was a great choice like to have it and and yeah, what you said they're about like potential energy I hadn't even thought of that. It's like, yeah, I mean, I guess there's that that's true And we I mean we see it later on when they come well for now jumping ahead. No we'll get there Well, I was I was trying to think of it in like the because it's been a while since I took physics in high school but like when uh An object is positioned above Uh, whatever the determined like surface Level is like an object is placed x amount of however Whatever units of measurement you want to use as a measurement Like where it's separated from the surface to like Wherever the object is positioned you can calculate a certain amount of potential energy That that has to like fall to that Actually, and then when it pulls the potential energy becomes like realized energy that's being expended Exactly. Yeah, so there the rocks are on this cliff right now But if you were to take away that cliff and the rocks were to just drop to a certain Surface level point whatever it is because it's all like relative right like as you can determine multiple points about where The base level is for them to be striking hard ground Like because you could let go down infinitely to the earth's core. I guess but like um, I just think that ties in so well with like the the idea that this Evelyn that we're seeing in the movie is like the the quote-unquote worst evelyn because she has Done the least to take advantage of her potential, but that gives her the edge to Jump to these multiverses and gain these abilities to accomplish something truly um What is it x excellent? I guess I don't know. You know what I mean Um Yeah, and I think it's just A nice she like treats it as though it's a pocket universe or rather a universe that she's aware of that she can go Because it's so peaceful. There's not a single thing to worry about Nobody's doing anything. No one's going anywhere. It's just a you just be a rock Yeah Which um, I also think sort of doubles up is like It's um In a sense like that's all anything is we're all just Stardust Floating through the universe no different necessarily than a rock depending on how broad and how How broad you want to go but I uh Yeah, it's it's it's quite a scene and it's funny because I Uh, a lot of people I saw when they were first comparing this in docks strange were like Two rocks managed to achieve more than like docks of strangers the whole movie could do Yeah It's our good reiling Actually wanting to tell a story god forbid Yeah um, yeah, and then so joy just starts talking about how as a rock that uh Everything we discover the more we learn the more we spread the more we realize just how small and shit we are um Just all of it is just a big reminder And uh, I think evlyn says yeah, it's a big fucking joke Um And then joy says I've been trapped by like this for so long experiencing everything I was hoping you would see something. I didn't that you'd convince me there was another way She says uh, you know what you're talking about And she's like the the reason she built the bagel wasn't to destroy everything it was to destroy herself Uh could going in actually Give her an escape could she die? And at least this way she doesn't have to do it alone now Um And yeah, and so that is Sort of the the entire portion for evlyn being fully convinced I think and now it's time to just enter the bagel And end it all uh Is is the idea and um Yeah, evlyn comes pretty close except You know being aware of of all universes at once she starts to she can just hear Deidre and uh and weyman talking in the In the party Which is a curiosity. It's just like what in the world would he be saying? Why even bother? Um And uh, it looks like It's actually like Having an effect it's working because if you imagine right if deadre is the kind of person right now who's just been Ignored and screwed over by these people and they're trying to take advantage of Tax information stuff to the point Where she's already had a lean on there on their place and now she's having it seized What in the world could weyman say to her to get her to stop like And I think even uh evlyn says like that's just like impossible and uh joy says it's a statistical inevitability. It's not special Just like okay. Yeah but um Curiosity nonetheless, right? It's just like what what did he say? right um And yeah, well and it's cool because deadre looks really like She's struggling with with the information. She was just given and she's just like I don't know what you guys But at this point in the movie, I was just like what did he say like what we've worked Well, I I Don't even know if they'd ever tell us I was ready for to have them just say yeah You'll just you'll you won't know what he said just that he said something But at the same time was you never know And uh, yeah, we but we have been given all of the available tools to know what he could have said And um, yeah, he says everything's gonna be okay, and she's like the fuck like how He says she's gonna give us another week for one last meeting, which is the hell of a long time compared to what they had And uh, and she says how And look at this guy's act in here. All right Gosh, where have you been sir? Where have you been? Really? Yeah, I mean uh, he's been learning kung fu Dude, he must have been like martial arts training or meditating or something with all that time because like he has a remarkable control over his like His physicality and his meant his emotions and his mental state like and it's just Yeah, it's like the acting well, we see him in the other universe where they meet at the you know, at the theater just the fact that He can be you know in a different A different outfit behaving differently, you know this hair slicked back and everything He just seems like an entirely different person because he could make us believe it, you know totally Yes, um This thing you can you can do Like really good actors can where they can get the the tears flaring up They can make the eyes really believable in terms of Because I can just you can just be a screen Look at him. You can detect so much about what he's feeling Uh Because yeah, he doesn't even he doesn't even want to tell Evelyn what he said to get them more time um And so it's like hmm But then he starts talking in another world that she gets distracted by and it's it's Waymond in celebrity land Uh Who says uh, you think i'm weak don't you all those years ago when we fell in love your father said I was too sweet for my own good and maybe he was right Uh And then we cut over to the universe where gong gong is trying to kill her with his with his alpha cult And Waymond stands in front of her to say please everyone stop fighting And it's just like you start to get a vibe. It's like, oh We have Wayman's coming through in a lot of ways right now What's what's going on here and he says he's a good guy Um Yeah, uh back in the celebrity university says you could you can tell me it's a cruel world And we're all running around in circles. I already know that I've been on this earth as many days as you Um But when I choose the good side of things I'm not being naive. It's strategic necessary It's how I've learned to survive through everything Just like oh, we're introducing some new points of view here Yeah, yeah and um Yeah to the the alpha verse people he says, um, I know you're all fighting because you're scared and confused I'm confused too All day. I don't know what the heck is going on. But somehow this feels like it's all my fault it's like I don't know. It feels like such an appeal to Uh, the the world it decides right out of Bethasaradia. I suppose this message could come out at any time But um, this is it's quite a bit of tension into a moll in the world at this point our one and um, I appreciate this So On that level the uh, the fact that he's saying like everyone's angry everyone's confused everyone wants to fight And at the same time you can feel like it's your own fault that more things aren't being done Yes um Yeah, and he says, uh, he has no idea What to do about it. He has no idea what what the solution is He just knows that you need to be kind especially when you don't know what's going on And again so much that applies to In a detailed way that that would be really meaningful But I just like that it's broad enough that anyone can read into this however they want You know, we we're gonna make another that that another doctor strange comparison where America just gets a little cheap pep talk at the end and she saves everything And this is similar but it's just so much more Earned and well done and you know established so much more impressive Yeah, uh We have a wayman Simultaneously in several universes committing to different actions that are all incredibly meaningful but follow suit in One strong through line about the way that he believes you should operate in the world And it's And it's simultaneously is in opposition to the thing Evelyn just concluded so Like we ain't we ain't done yet and um Yeah, he says you see yourself as a fighter. I see myself as one too. This is how I fight um Meaning by being kind and if you think about everything we've been going over in this film it matches up He doesn't just like Do kind things because of what Evelyn thought which was that he's kind of an idiot and doesn't know How to solve problems is because he believes that's how you solve problems That is his philosophy and his approach and the fact that it's an approach that seems to be consistent across several different universes has to mean something Yeah, it's very important to who he is It like of all the choices he makes in his different universes That's one of the ones that stays constant or at least more so than other ones Part of the reason why it's so poignant is because this perspective hasn't been It hasn't been able to be expressed up until this point in the film It's only been like conflicts sort of open direct conflict and then nihilism And then you don't just have a much more positive outlook, which has been nice to people try to be kind and consider it And like that's the way to try and I guess fight for More broadly a sense of meaning and purpose in life Yeah Even when you're confused and scared and angry and blaming yourself It's like even in the face of those confused emotions You know, you can still choose to to be kind It's a nice wholesome message to come out especially in the face of such abject nihilism Yeah It's uh and and you know what's interesting to me as well is that it's not even The film I think is like that's not enough. We got to go further than that because she even says it's too late um Which is so it's like it's got to be more even more than what we already have but uh Because he says you can still turn around Or you can still like do something about this but then joe boo's the one that says you can still turn around and avoid all of this And I think what she's kind of going with there is like Look There's obviously a pathway there you can take but it's full of stuff and things and Trials and all kinds of pressures and stuff. It's like you can avoid all of it It's a very interesting way to put it as opposed to escape it like like just don't don't deal with any of it You just don't you don't have to so don't and um but then uh Evelyn touches his hand And then we got a big like montage of all of these happy moments in these mundane settings with him Because he's such a nice guy Yeah, because their life May has meaning to them. It may be in a bad place right now, but it was never because of him Don't lose. Yeah, and I guess it's like don't lose sight of the good things, you know Like all of these happy memories I think this is the The completion of one of the many sort of arcs that we we had set up is that she had Ironiously concluded that it was him that took her down a bad path Like being with him was it couldn't have anything less to do with him. It's much more complicated than that I think this is her realizing that finally Yeah, especially when you have him say like yeah, you know in a different life I would have been happy to just like do taxes with you, you know and do laundry it's um It's kind of like trying to step away from I think what is probably Something that can be easy to slip into when you think of other possibilities in life is the externals The things that you can get and accrue money fame um Whereas in this case even in that world he's just like yeah, I mean even me sitting here wearing a suit like It's not really it's about experiences more so than than um Then like attaining things or like trying to you know, like appreciating Appreciating what you have rather than what you could have In like a world that isn't yours, you know yes That was the line in the movie that made me It really amazed me, you know, and I was like oh wow this movie is actually about something You know good like Right because it's like telling you like count your blessings and to find Like they're whatever your predicament is in life. There is something to find to appreciate and that if you Had if you were able to live out whatever your fantasy life was You might very well be yearning for aspects of the life you thought to be insignificant You know what I mean? I like the color change on their faces like to imply their That that multiversal nature Yeah, yeah, because that's the effect I go with just to imply that she's cycling through a whole bunch of Universes with him in it. I think is what we're getting from that and that he's a he's a really nice person in all of them Yeah, and particularly from kind of this ish point forwards You have a lot of these very meaningful emotional moments and they make the The fanny pack kung fu and the dildo fight seem really far away Like it's almost a different movie like you've just you finish that movie that movie's done And you're watching an entirely different movie This is against the real fucking meaningful stuff instead of the we're having a little bit of fun here stuff Yeah Because yeah, like that really all starts coming together here Genuinely this power of fiction. I was like, what is all for is like To When you have like a classroom and they're like today, we're going to learn about meaning I know it sounds broad and you might get bored by the textbook But we got to learn about as opposed to guys you want to watch a crazy movie that's a sci-fi fantasy where a woman is trying to Uh hunt down a person that's trying to end the multiverse and kill it by learning more powers You just be like that sounds fucking crazy. Let's watch that. Yeah, and then by the end of it because I'm the teacher I wasn't asking And by the end of it They will have understood theoretically more than they may have from the textbook because it's all about that delivery, you know Yes, that's what storytelling that's that's like the power of storytelling is it's a vehicle for lessons and um And and a method of posing questions in a way that can be just I guess just leverages empathy Leverages our uh understanding of like the human experience and the other people have these experiences to It's a good vehicle for conveying these messages like through characters I think it's a lot better at instilling those ideas than just being told about it Exactly dude for like human beings. I think there's no more effective delivery method than Story narrative. Yeah, exactly. That's how people absorb wisdom I think so it makes sense as a foundational part of like human culture. It's one of the earliest things we would have been doing Yes, yeah, it's really just and being able to process You can see it here right we tell stories about ourselves and we have Evelyn had a story about herself here like multiple stories about herself that kind of conflict What she wants versus what she thinks she has versus what she has These are all like different stories in her head of who she is um And she doesn't have like a clear grasp on probably the most important one which is what you really have Um and the value that that gives you rather than what you wish you had what you want to make people think that you have um, yeah that that moment where uh In the universe where they're both actors And they have both gone their own way and they've become quote-unquote successes in their own individual paths where they presumably have Ridiculous amounts of money or whatever. They're both successful actors But then they come together together in this instance and they that that guy wayman says, uh I I could imagine a universe. I'm paraphrasing, but it's like I could imagine a universe where I would just do taxes and Whatever the other thing is with oh, don't worry. Yeah, we so that line's right here. He says, um Even though you've broken my heart once again I wanted to say in another life. That was the moment That was the moment for me that won me over. I was just okay. Oh dude, that's right There's a couple of quotes in this that I love that one might be the best one. There's a couple other contenders um But yeah, it's so human to be like I would really have liked just doing laundry and taxes with you It's like, aw Like that's that to them in that universe is everything to them is just Imagining in a universe where they are just living together together keyword in the most boring existence Possible, but they're together. So it doesn't matter how boring it is, right? So it's just let's like overarching message of like it doesn't matter what you're doing But like who you're doing it with Kind of thing, right? it's just like What matters is the people in your life and the joy that they bring you just their presence and uh That that blew me away in particular just that one line. I was just like this sold me. This is fucking great And because because it's not just Positive I it's true I believe it's true. It's not just the movie blowing smoke up my ass because like Oh, this is just a fake thing that's just trying to make you feel good for a couple hours like no I feel like this is fundamentally true what this movie is trying to tell me right now and uh I love it for that You know, it's like I get it. Yes You're right Like you have to count your blessings and realize like it's it's more than just what you've accumulated in life it's You know in terms of like material wealth or belongings or whatever it's just like Who are the people that you've met? How have they kind of magnified your Your life and uh How do they complement your life in a meaningful way and And just uh, I mean this all climaxes in the scene. We haven't even got to yet. So I'll I'll shut up now Go ahead mauler. Sorry. Um, well, you know, it's all good So mentioned like wouldn't the message be better conveyed if she wasn't struggling so much What's so bad about an alternate universe with a laundry matter successful instead of almost broke? I think that's important as an element here is that She believes a lot of the material circumstances of like Determined that the the pathway is worthless. Like it's that that makes it all There's nothing of value here when it's clear. There's something of great value here a lot of things actually, um You need like a her material circumstances to be really shit, um For I think for this story to work as well as it does Because if if everything is going well and she's really down, I feel like it's um, It doesn't make the point as clear Um Because it's supposed to be that the character believes it's those realities that are making life not worth living almost Um, and it's even bled into her blaming these people Who with her as opposed to realizing there's something more complicated going on I think it it ups us into being able to explore more about this It's a little bit more complicated, but I guess we'll just we'll we'll push on a bit more because why not? um She like I think embraces them in a couple of universes appreciating the value he brings and uh, I just like that it ends with a shot of He's got like a strong bold up fist ready to fight at the beginning of the scene and then at the end of it it just relents And becomes a chilled out hand Um And so yeah, she's got a reason now already at least one To to remain and a complete alternative a response if you will to the the concept joe boo's bringing up And now that that's over joe boo comes back in and she's like oh so cute And she says yeah, let me make this easy It all eventually goes away nothing lasts you know just Just why why not just die? and um, yes Man is is there ever gonna be a better line than age of ultron to summarize the response to that one? I can't believe it's that movie that gets to have this line, but it does Wow, and it was said by a character brought back from the fucking dead because they needed to see re-show retroactively, yeah That's such a fucking joke In that instance, I was expecting a line of dialogue because that was a little more overwritten You know what I mean? But it it like has that restraint to just keep it as brief as it needs to be it's just like sometimes it all goes away And that's it. That's all you need. You don't need to Write it in any more detail than that. You've encapsulated it already I appreciated that. Yeah. Yeah, um the line i'm referencing though for anybody who doesn't remember is In age of ultron, which is a garbage movie for the most part, uh, maybe we'll cover it someday but There's uh, obviously all the ultron bots are getting wiped out and there's only like one left and vision goes to get it And I think the ultron bot prompts him by saying Like he says they're doomed. Uh, that's which vision says yes and then he says but the thing isn't beautiful because it lasts Which is I think the most succinct response you can get to the idea that everything dies. It would be like, yeah That's not why we value it. Is it exactly the the ultron The ultron puppets are all avatars of ultron essentially, right? Yeah. Yeah, like so you're talking to ultron basically And yeah, there were there were moments in that that I actually liked. I like the whole idea of like Puppets on strings, you know This That movie had potential man. It had potential. It's certainly had potential Yeah, it's just a great line because there's a lot of content that deals with this topic that everything every roller once is going with as well Um A bit of a fundamental one It's almost like a starting point and then you start looking into other things Gotta get this one out of the way, you know Like the whole yes, what is the point in living and what is the meaning of life? Sort of things like yep, we get those and then we'll move on to the most specific ones, but Uh, when this is executed really well, which I think it is in this movie and other bits of content that I quite like Yeah, it becomes quite a favor oftentimes Um So, yeah, uh, she activates the bagel And it even sucks in some of her followers straight away and this it's it's it's pretty grim actually like It's just this screaming as like they're getting ripped into it and um I don't know if that's like on purpose to to try and show another layer of why it's something you shouldn't do I was getting south park vibe so off it, you know Like just like the guy who's like getting sucked into the bagel and he's just like getting torn up. Yeah, exactly this frame right here He's just like I could I could definitely picture the standard south park Um It's like when global warming attacks that one guy in that episode Parody day after tomorrow. Yeah It's almost like that's um It's almost like that's also a line from trey the uh Because it lost one Brad Pitt trey I assume that's what they're referencing like or like the original story Well, I don't know. Yeah, I'd be interested to know though um Yeah, so This this is what I feel is like the full on I don't know if I'd call this the third act at this point. I guess because it would have started earlier Yeah, it's hard to tell where the third act really To kind of start I think I to get what I want is I would say it is I think this movie has a very conventional structure But if you were to analyze it in Like the the way it kind of on a surface level divides itself up where like you have part one everything Part two everywhere part three all at once It's a very uneven structure. Yeah underneath that. I think there's a very conventional three act structure The reason why I would pick here is the beginning of the third act It's just because it feels like it fits in with my understanding of a lot of stories where second act low point and then whatever Thing that happens at the second act low point to bring the hero back in um Is you like it I can't believe them. This is where my brain's going. So here we go team america When he gets completely Dispondent and told to get the fuck out and doesn't want to do it anymore He gets encouraged to come back talks to spots would and gets his tools and knowledge And then has the mission to head to the the place to save everybody That feels like the break for me of going from second act to third act and to me at this point in the film We've got everything we need to um To conduct the solution basically to get everybody What they they need to have and all the factions are about to like clash hardcore. We've got The uh, the alpha verse crew are going to they want joe boo dead And they see now that if joe boo enters the the bagel that might kill her and she wants to do that So they need to ensure she gets to the bagel. She needs to ensure she gets to the bagel So both factions belonging to those like cults if you will Are all going to be aimed against evelyn and we've had wayman to bring evelyn back from the brink And arms her with the idea of don't fight them to fight be kind And so that's like our stakes And it's as simple as there's a series of stairs that joe boo is going to be walking up and you got to stop her Yep um And so I mean you have all of this absurd fucking surface all this crazy tech and Almost magic and all these mechanics going on but You know what's going on underneath like please daughter don't include The the the action you're gonna do right now and this is this is Simple as that I guess what i'm getting at Right um, which is really cool. Uh, well, I guess it's it's this is the point when the symbolism becomes like super duper strong and overpowers like I guess the the more like I guess the straightforward mechanics of how everything is working Like this is the part when it starts to transition into like this is like the point of the movie essentially Like these are the themes and the symbols of imagery all like coalescing I would argue we're about to Machine gun payoffs like this is this is where the whole film has been building up to um Also why it was Necessary to lie down all that groundwork for as long as it took Apparently the quote is and I don't know if this is from the original or from the movie But um because it does sound familiar but the gods envious because we're mortal because every moment might be our last Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed Which does sound like a like that line could inspire the one in age of ultron actually like a different version of that Good line, you know, yeah um So yeah, she starts heading off and Evelyn goes to attack them to prevent them from doing it But wayman is like please enough like Not fighting And so lessons this time. Yeah, she does and she looks for a moment like what what the fuck am I gonna do then? like we're gonna lose and um Deidra gets a weapon ready to hit it with he goes to swing and we cut back to the curiosity of evelyn in the old uh In the party universe the the laundromat universe. Why did deidra give them an extra week? What did wayman say to her? And uh, she asked her about it and deidra says she told me about your situation being that he's served you divorce papers And then she says when I got served divorce papers, I drove my husband's car through a neighbor's house And uh, she did mention an ex earlier Well, it's just but it wasn't wasn't on our mind This feels to me pretty potent in terms of um, you know how it's often said like you don't know what's going on in someone else's head Like you have no idea what they're dealing with in their life Yeah, I have any manner of problems that uh that they're dealing with that you're just completely unaware of and like even just A recognition that they may well You know a recognition that they're another person who probably has the same thought process as you and the same struggles as you Just realizing that And like acting on it can make a world of difference to that person Yeah, genuinely Great stuff because up to this point in the movie deidra's kind of characterizes just being the annoying useless asshole irs agent who doesn't understand Like struggles everyone's going through and that's when you're not even including the fact that all the alternate versions of Who have just been aggressive and trying to kill us like as as the main character sort of thing, uh and now Is like you find out like maybe a lot of her anger does come from the fact that that happened And then she says um, it's unlovable bitches like us that make the will go around And it's just Yeah, so the reality underlying deidra is a character is the fact that she thinks no one can love her But of course in the universe that can't be true There's gotta be some in some place where she's lobbed. Well, we know of a universe where someone loves her That's right That's what i'm saying. It's so great that we we're fucking around with sausage fingers, but it's like no It's like making a point. Well, yeah, sure sausage fingers But there are people who live in this world who have like real struggles and real relationships Despite the absurdity of the universe. It's still populated by people life deidra This is where this movie really amazed me Is where you have this extreme juxtaposition between the ridiculousness of hotdog fingers universe and Like using that to actually make a legit point about existence You know, this is uh, this scene is probably it's one of these strongest examples like i've ever seen a marrying comedy in drama Right and I think most directors would shy away from this because they know when it comes to award season If they if their movie is perceived as being too funny Then they will be omitted from earning certain awards, which is fucking bullshit, right? Yep, so like the idea the idea that comedy doesn't play a role in award Deserving films is fucking ridiculous, right? Yeah, because it's so intrinsic to existence I mean like people have a sense of humor as like a partly as a defense mechanism, right to kind of fend off the Nihilism, I mean ironically. Yeah You guys just yeah, you're right like the humor is not way What you guys are convinced we not to see it because it sounds real schmaltzy like well I guess it is schmaltzy referring to like it's super um, almost like like Like what's what are the words I could use to emotional? I don't know if that's quite right almost like Children's type of emotional where it's just like we all make it through in the end We all do happy bubble. I was like, I mean it is to a degree. Um, it's trying to be very very real about Some of the realities we we should approach life with it's a lot a lot of this is advice Recommendations and insight. Yeah, I I wouldn't want to You know rule out Well, someone said juvenile see I'd be like, I I don't think that's fair at all. No, no No, right. No That's not Well comedy and juvenility are our our thought of is synonymous a lot of the time when that's really not the case Stam attitude that makes people think cartoons are for kids Um, right. Yes, whereas it's like no, holy shit like these these are universal like comedy is universal Um, but I mean as for like this film I think that what it's trying to say is simple but it's like as in like the point at its core is pretty simple, but It's it's like that that would be omitting so much of the uh the texture of it And like the fact that it is in in a sense honest as we'll start to see like as we Like it's shortly after This scene where we start to get like some real honesty on this subject Even even within the context of a a much more positive and upbeat uplifting a message Which is what the film has. Yeah. So yeah, the film is quite optimistic To clarify right like what they're showing is the the hard dog fingers universe But the these two we keep seeing that the relationship whatever it was is getting fucked up by evelyn Constantly temporarily traveling to this world and being freaked out by everything and moving away from her when Apparently these two are in like a full relationship in this world. So yeah, like it's damaged as a result. Um and she's repairing it right now by Listening to her play the piano with her feet because she can't with her sausage fingers. It's like And what I find pretty interesting here as well is the song she's playing Is the song that plays when uh, she first attacks her and she gains the the kung fu moves to stop her You remember it. I missed that that's interesting. I didn't know that that's cool. Um, and what's happening in that scene It's her professing her love for deardre So Right Is there is a connection Yeah, adam Was as he said right he was hoping I guess that there would be more uh Of an original soundtrack themes that that spread throughout as opposed to sort of choices that Match for like he was hoping for songs that were built for the film specifically as opposed to Ones that have been chosen to be put in for meaning that goes beyond it or something, right? Yeah, um because we're talking about like the difference between something like star wars or um Uh Like the suicide squad The suicide squad which does the same as suicide squad in terms of including loads of songs But I feel like there's that's actually good to bring those up. There's two ways of doing it Yeah One a little bit better than the other Claire de lune. Is that the song name? How beautiful cloud de boosie Um, and yeah, and so we cut back and she has stopped her with her foot It feels weird, but it's obviously just a familiarity. She will have drawn from being aware of that universe and she says that uh, you're not unlovable and Deirdre is like, what the fuck you talking about? She's like there's uh There's always something to love even in a stupid universe where we have hot dogs for fingers. We get very good with our feet Yeah, which is just Again, it's just like ah good stuff wisdom of the ancients and uh To solve the true the truism of there's always something to love even in a situation that's so absurd As absurd as playing the piano with your feet like you're saying. Yeah Well, let's show about one point. She's knitting with her feet as well like We missed that Let's see if they have this image where she's you know wiping away a tear from her with her foot Yeah, like my my god. We are On a tightrope of drama and comedy. It's just like you will over you're refusing to commit to one or the other You're having both The facts of the foot clearly is not You know, it's just rising up like that. Yeah, it's it's its own joke This embraces drama and comedy at the same time so gracefully like more gracefully than I've ever seen in a film And uh, that's what I appreciate about this movie. I think more than it does It's just like how it how well it walks that tightrope between comedy and uh Drama and seeing something actually meaningful So do you think this beats out jojo rabbit in that regard? I would happily say they draw um It's uh, I like the jojo rabbit a lot of it is about that specifically um Like the idea of clashing tones uh or experiences and emotions at once this film I think is is in somewhat in some ways about that but it's just a lot about a lot of other things too And I don't I don't feel like either one it's really hard to say right because There are going to be people who see this and they're going to say this was ruined by the the the childish jokes Like everything's trying to get across Fuck no, but um, yeah, there's there's that that element of like isn't that a part of life though the uh Sort of messing around playing like I said the first line in this film Is stop playing we don't have the time I cannot stand the pretentiousness that seeks to exclude comedy from greatness You know like as like as soon as you have Like funny material in your thing whatever it is. It's like not Considered as like a ward material. Yeah, this is a lower form of art. Exactly. Yes. Yes, you nailed it It's a lower form of art because it incorporates humor and it's incorrect fundamentally I just I think that's just such a gross way of looking at it Yeah, I'd rather listen to a stand-up comedian before any fucking free verse poet Yes Um, yeah, she hugs there gives gives her a big old hug And uh The the crazy bagel cult worship a person that she is says I feel nothing And she tries to repeat that but she doesn't quite get to the word nothing and so instead she says I feel Oh my god, which gives you a little clue as to how We're gonna defeat Mr. Big ol nihilistic perspective Yeah, you see it moller. That's how we're gonna win this Not by fighting what we hate but by saving what we love Yeah, yay Yeah Um, yeah, so that's just sort of like I guess the experiment that's how it happened. She managed to do it They all aim their guns at her to stop her literally fucking everybody because they want you and it what's neat is they actually have a little thing of Uh, the deidre's trying to stop them. She's like don't do it Because she's she's been converted now. She's she's been radicalized in the other direction And we get what's possibly the most overt and recognizable matrix reference, I would imagine Yeah, I think she turns to the she turns to uh What's her face joy and says I know kung fu Show me show me. Um, yeah, she stops all the bullets And she uh and and and in the other universe she's picking up the baseball bat and spots the uh The googly eyes on him Gives her an idea turn all the bullets into googly eyes And then she fires on them on everybody's forehead while attaching one to her own Are they are they googly eyes or googly eyes? Uh Because she says googly eyes in this in the film That's supposed to be wrong or used anonymously On I assume or yeah, I I've always assumed they called just googly eyes, but maybe I don't know Yeah, I I don't even know they don't come up often in conversation But I think I think that's what they normally are referred to And googly eyes like it's just that's what they're called. All right Rags being I'm just asking questions. I just want to Into the bottom of things um Maybe google eyes is what happens when you spend too much time researching online Well, michelle yos character says the word google like no more google eyes Like that's the word she was maybe that's because it's just more evidence that she does get a little The way it's confused because she even mentions google translate. I think at one point So maybe she's just mixing google and googly Yeah, maybe she should have said googly translate Use googly translate like she gets googly eyes and the company google mixed up You don't know something go give it a go and go to googly So Hopping in uh One of them on everyone's heads Think it's safe to assume We're gunning for uh, opening up your mind's eye. Wouldn't you say we're getting a whole new viewpoint for all these characters now Symbolism as they say And uh gong gong just said so stupid Which uh, see this for a minute the film is very aware of of Taking portions of it to be stupid because I don't think it would even shy away from that I'd be like, yeah, some of this is really stupid Yeah um Well, I think when you're when you're trying to visualize something like chaos in film You have to incorporate stupid On some level and I think a lot of filmmakers would shot against that because like I said before they would Be afraid that that would exclude them from like some kind of You know prestige or like earning awards or whatever It's like no it should be funny to some degree. It should be even hilarious To some degree and that's what this movie pulled off more than Any kind of film I can think of that deals with this similar kind of subject matter, right? Is it's willing to go to that really funny territory? Or I'm just like doubling over laughing in the theater like I cannot yeah And it's not like it comes out in no way It's um We've seen them a couple times on different items in the laundromat because waymond likes to put them on things Because he finds them fun from the very first scene Yeah in the room if you if you look you will notice them They will be on the bags and everything like on the thermostat. There are the google eyes everywhere Yeah, um, yeah, she even puts googly eyes on herself as a rock Yeah Why not? I'm gonna get you. It's just like doke of divi Now that was that was yet another plateau for me You know like the rocks alone was one thing and it's like you put googly eyes on the rocks Are you fucking kidding me? God I was laughing so so now that the rock has googly eyes on it. It is officially a character Yeah, she's um As soon as it has eyes, yeah She says i'm learning to fight like you But it's a wayman because this is the thing man the reddit user is coming right at her He's full charge full power full force you could say and uh Go ahead deal with him. So yeah, she basically cycles through all of these people providing them via her crazy powers experiences And they they're assorted from stuff like falling in love to Like smelling perfume Uh, she fixes up a guy's like nervous system because it's all Fucked up because she gives him like chiropractic or something. Um There's a guy she gives bdsm, uh some fun times because that's that's what he's looking for And uh, I guess I got to save the universe and that by the way is what yms was talking about fucking six hours ago Where he mentioned There the director plays somebody that is the character So that's pretty cool Now we know why this movie was made. Yeah, that's true. Uh, it wasn't to tell a story. It was just to get his king con But like, you know What do you think is being said with all of the crazy nihilistic people trying to Prevent her from stopping Like them all from being able to to essentially end their existence and she's she's converting them all by giving them experiences Yep You know, how else do you put this it's like As as Frisbee actually it's like this is getting to the point where um, there's no more like like oh mechanically the multiverse He just sci-fi blah blah blah. He's just like well, no just describing what she's doing You've now like linked both the subtext and the text at the same time. They're pretty much explicit Um, I just earned you've earned this. Yeah doing a lot of work ahead of time to support this material I love that this is like, uh, like an anti fight scene basically. Yeah, like Traditionally the con the the climax here would be like Just epic martial arts stuff, right? Which has already been seen earlier in this movie But in this instance, it's like She is doing things to fill the void in the lives of whoever She's like conflicting within that instance. So it's like The suggesting the idea that all hatred in the world is kind of just an illusion basically and it's all manifest of um A manifestation of things that people are lacking in their own lives and they're angry about it And they're taking it out on someone else and she's kind of fixing that one person at a time It's like you're missing this thing from your life. Okay. Here's this thing I'm going to tap into the multiverse to fix this thing in your life And then they're fixed and then she moves on to the next guy And then making an epic third act fight scene out of that where it's not about like punching and kicking but just like resolving people's personal issues It's uh, it's very creative and uh action therapy It's uh, it makes you feel good to watch it. Yeah, I I liked how uh, anti I guess anti-conventional I guess it was you don't typically see that kind of thing Um and an important part when she's doing all this is they show joy turns to look at it and smiles which uh Gotta be gotta be getting through to her a little bit Yes Well, they're they're kind of mirror Like fun house mirror reflections of each other right like the the person who is completely embraced nihilism Which is like the joy character And then like the the Evelyn character, which is kind of taking advantage of those crazy powers but not quite Diving into the nihilism as the other character has done right Because fundamentally this is a story about a parent pulling their child away from the brink of the abyss You know nihilism which is which is a very common and relatable Thing I think you know like what parent hasn't dealt with a teenager that hasn't that has said like I wish I was never born that kind of thing, you know I feel like that's very common and very relatable I agree, uh and she pulls it down from the staircase to obviously delay her approach up there and um as she falls They're like clothes get all tangled and out of sequence sort of and she Is now wearing something that's completely disparate in terms of materials colors and even like her A hair is done in a really weird way and her makeup is like all disjointed Um because this is like the most she's just been At least when she had the full belief in Nothing meaning anything there was some level of control under that I think this now She's like at the peak of confusion and anger This is not entirely Certain on what exactly is fucking the next step because uh Her mom was on board, but now she's not and a lot of these other people who Were on board with this anymore Yeah Yeah, because like joe thought she had the right answer, but it's like maybe not and What does that mean? Yeah, and we cut to the universe where uh raka kuni was was taken away by the uh I forget who was like animal control. I think um control Yeah, and she says like let's go get him and she climbs on top of his head controlling his head to make him run after raka kuni while In the universe without having the fight her control over him manages to deliver more um Bullet experiences to all of the different foot soldiers And so um Yeah, as is often with big fight scenes at the end it like respects the same act structure in a sense in a in a minimized way there is usually a low point in a in a fight sequence and uh, we reach it just after this the um The the dad gets here. Uh, he's got like a mech suit as a thanks to his like modified wheelchair Yeah, I like the little skeleton thing he's got Though sorry, I actually he's got like microwaves taped to his body or something. Isn't it? Oh, it's it's such a like B movie outfit It's so cool Yeah, so absurd um But one thing I I went past by accident. It was just that um Uh, the raka kuni guy says like without raka kuni. I I didn't even know how to boil an egg Like I'm useless alone and then she says uh Well good thing we aren't alone Like which I think is another fundamental point this film's making don't um Don't be doing all this shit alone when it comes to life itself train us a lot of people out there experience expand grab them up friends family all kinds of folk Experience the world with him. But yeah, um He's uh gong gong is like outside of jogu. He's just the only one left now in terms of getting in a way And at the same time they show us the likely because of her fucking destroying her own laundry mat He says in the other universe that uh You are not my daughter anymore because he's like Presumably disappointed and it's not entirely like I guess unexpected probably from her pov But um, I want to say He's just mainly fun throughout the movie right james hong But the the way he delivers that you are not my daughter line. It's just like man. Keep an eye on the The acting for that one. I'll show it on here as well Um, he's even doing a lip quiver, which is not you know, it's not the easiest thing to fake when you That's that's what you can do when you're around your lip. Yeah When you're a seasoned actor he's uh, everyone is just doing a really great job in this movie Oh, yeah, I couldn't even begin to point to the weakest link. Everyone just does such a great job You you just forget you're watching actors You know, they just totally You totally buy into everything every character every person Yes And so, um at the same time this is happening Obviously, he's grabbing her to prevent her from getting up the stairs in another universe wayman says, um to to evalin You know in relation to the in the celebrity universe. He's like He who loves the most regrets the most. Let's not live in a fantasy Like basically let's not let's not be together if it's never gonna work like the Um, she did run after him after he said the first sort of Thing that she talked to him about and then joe boo says, uh, you see it's a matter of time before everything balances itself out Which is uh, didn't we talk about this in the last stream we did? Kind of yeah Um, uh jogged my memory. What what are you referring to in particular? When she says it's only the last one you did not halo knows a catch-up stream I think but the fact you said balanced out. Yeah matter of time Before everything balances itself out referring of course to no matter what's built it'll all come crashing down essentially um And that thrashing against the universe is heading towards entropy or something like that or I think so I think that's what's being implied here is like that's a component of support for For an idealistic worldview because she keeps repeating that not everything lasts forever um and Yeah If that's even uh thing that Matters I I just it's your attitude and perspective. Um Well, yeah, that's what this film is going to do right like there's yeah part of its response. Um but so that said and then uh He back in the universe where he's got like the the printer microwave suit on says, um Let her go and she says i'm not willing to do to my daughter what you did to me and uh I want earth to do let me go so easily and it's like oh shit. That's being brought up because that did happen Remember that thing It's like oh Yeah, that world quite a quite a sting there. Um I let you go so so that I could live my dream of having a robotic battle axis skeleton made out of 90s printers Oh, yeah The directors are very aware of all the different character conflicts. It brings them up at like the appropriate time It's it's so well done. Yeah Um and she says you may see in her all of your greatest fears squeezed into one person I spent most of her childhood praying she wouldn't end up like me But she turned out to be stubborn aimless and a mess just like a mother This is going back to the um The laundromat. Yeah And she says but now I see it's okay that she's a mess because she like me Uh the universe gave her someone kind patient and forgiving to make up for all she lacks and She says these different things in the language appropriate to the person she's talking to like english to joy um mandarin to When she says the kind patient person directed obviously at waymond and then back to her father When she introduces joy's girlfriend Which um, yeah, that's what what joy wanted And uh, his reaction is unclear at first But uh joy leaves anyway Because um, it's it's almost like I think this moment if a joy is just like Like yeah, okay fine. You did you did the thing you did what I wanted but that doesn't change anything like In terms of making things more meaningful, but he does let it go in the in the crazy universe and She ends up trying to grab joy So begins the final boss fight if you will Uh fight Well, it's kind of um You know pretty pretty intense She grabs her and they start like having a little bit of a fist fight that just spans across universes Which feels like some form of a natural endpoint for a film about this sort of thing Well, I mean, I don't want to gloss over it I love the fact that yeah, joe boo is there doing all the crazy like poses ready to fight And then evelyn does the crazy poses, but then it opens out into a hug It's like damn. It's really great. It's like a juxtapes. You know, this is where they're at now yes Yeah, they both are essentially being realized like right before us. She's uh, she's realized what she needs to do I think about what they've been doing once they both reach the peak of their power joe boo's been arbitrarily destroying people in worlds Just because why not there's no reason not to While evelyn's been helping everybody find meaning Because why not? Yeah, they they're both using the same motivation in a sense But the the interpretation of what they've come to realize is essentially their polar opposites um This will be drilled home very soon. I don't want to jump the gun Yes, um And so they fight and you get your the kind of shit that it's like Nothing like this was an all diverse man is man Across multiple eras and like filmmaking genres And makeup and costumes and the soundtrack. It's just like you utilize in all of it yes It's an adventure just this fight scene alone is a journey And it's kind of the opposite of dr. Strange in the sense of dr. Strange's specific characters traveling across multiverses and this is Almost like it's it's the opposite where it's different characters in their own you know kind of places doing this and Like it yeah, no it gives a vibe that this is not the only And it's hard to it's hard to say like this can happen across All places, you know if this is the attitude that you want to have it doesn't have to be You know you don't have to be locked in it. Yeah, it's tough to explain. I don't know yes I think that that movie didn't have anywhere near the imagination. This movie does no I think something of an observation to be made as well is If you remember, um, the dad is encouraging her to abandon the daughter Do you remember why he abandoned her? It's because of the person she chose to love being wayman, right and You can't help but Like see that the the mum has like been given a choice of accepting and being supportive of her daughter's like realities Uh, or she could abandon her like her father did to her This is like man you title. How did you do so much work in so little time? Like you you've tied all of this in it's like damn A tight script dude Um Yeah, she keeps trying to beat her even she even sends her through some of our familiar universes we've seen before but she can't win she keeps like losing in terms of Uh dealing with Evelyn in a more definitive way, um They even end up again in the the pinata universe They're just chill it out for a second, but yeah, she says, um Ah, you said chilling out instead of hanging out Yeah, missed opportunity shame. Ah, you haven't trained me well enough. I need to learn more from you The pun master. Yeah You go to the top of the mountain where the dojo is and it's just rags and a little What's what is it that though that we're it's not a gi right that what's the you know, like riu I have no idea. I don't know why you look like riu, but in any case it's rags But riu is like i'll show you the ways of pun That feels like a episode of a tree house of horror thing I think that's actually her quote as well by the way I think she says There's gotta be a universe where I beat you or one where we tie or maybe we just hang around Hang around. Yeah. Yeah, look hanging out and hang around and not quite the same. That's true Um, and yeah, and then they they they phase into a different one As she said because it's all just a pointless swirling bucket of bullshit the bagel is where we find peace evelin And you get it you get a literal I am all the jedi moment. Okay, but there are ways to do it that aren't shit So stop calling me evelin. I am your mother Is uh is is good because it's like reestablishing the dynamic between them isn't that jobu is some Entity beyond understanding at this point they have that they share the same power level So the only difference now is is really back to normal and it's like, yeah, I'm your mom. There's the fuck up Um And you get this this Incredibly meaningful moment of the they're both worrying about being sucked in but um both wayman and gongong are both pulling them back which uh Working as a big old family now Yeah, if everyone does that thing that waylin said, yeah, you could produce good results Kind of a team effort it helps Yeah, we've got everybody on board We're all in this together Yes, it's thematically important that it's not just the mother like the mother the mother is being pulled by Uh wayman the wayman is being pulled by the grandfather. I think that's the order But like they're all working With each other to pull each pull all of them away from the abyss Yeah, that's an encouragement that not don't just tell some don't just think someone else will take care of it Someone else will do the good thing then you need to you need to do it too Right, you don't know if you're working with someone you kind of are They all play a role in counteracting the meaninglessness that that can take over sometimes And what I found interesting as well is when we're at this point um Her crazy costume has been like sucked off and now she's wearing a normal costume Normal outfit that she's wearing when they're in the uh the laundromat like We've basically gotten rid of the the major portion of how she feels and now she's just desperate which is to uh Lead us into the Or the most important scene where she just says stop and they have their big discussion Out in the parking lot, which is probably what should have happened this whole time. I think that's what This whole film was leading to it was like they need to have an actual discussion Ideally what would have happened in the first act in the park. Yeah So I mean you go through this insane nonsense crazy adventure Like not not for the movie but like for them as characters like this should have happened earlier And now we're finally having this discussion. Yeah, well, and that's what I'm saying Like we've we've like climaxed in the insane portion of the text of fighting across the whole multi-verse having robot grandpa suit Try to stop you with all these different assorted members getting the experience It's like it's like what is all this crazy variable and it's like we we've now Come all the way down back to the point of two people talking Just about something it's it's like A mother and a daughter having a very important moment. Um Yes Yeah, and she says uh, I don't want to hurt anymore whenever i'm with you it hurts both of us So let's just go our separate ways. Let me go Um and for a moment there she says okay But I was wondering what the film was gonna do at this point I was wondering like are you gonna try to know you have a message here Is like this is another message of sometimes you have to let go No matter sometimes that's just how it has to be or you got to keep trying no matter what or What are we gonna do here? They would have a couple of options. I think we get um He's falling into the the the bagel in the in the hyper sort of sci-fi universe And she almost chooses to come back out of it But it's as a result of the conversation the end of having in the uh the most grounded of the universe is I think Which um Evelyn says you are getting fat you never call me even though we have a family plan and it's free You only visit when you need something you got a tattoo and I don't care if it represents the family You know, I hate them The tattoos of all the places I could be why would I be here with you? You're right. It doesn't make any sense and even way, but this like You know stop that uh, it's like no, no, no. She's about to make a point And she says uh Maybe I could go somewhere to find some new discovery that would make us all feel like even smaller pieces of shit Something that explains why you still went looking for me through all of this noise and why I still want to be here with you And uh, I I really like that the daughter is being called out on her crap On this instance because it's not all one sided up until this point you're kind of Thinking that's the case But it's like no there's blame on both sides both sides here, but Once you've heard both cases out. It's like It doesn't matter like they're they're both Love each other as people like warts and all you know It's not but it's not just all about the the mother screwing up and the daughter is completely faultless Like there's things the daughter does that pisses the mother off and that's what kind of antagonizes her to Yeah, it's it's never been discussed. It's clearly the problem. They've never yes really had that talk And I just think that's a really sort of strong Theme for this film is the communication is so important Uh, and it's so difficult sometimes and just it makes it get to the point where we no longer even see each other as Remotely rational. We're just like nah, you're just crazy Yeah, you have to be stopped sort of thing um That's what I mean. It's it's kind of incredible how many things they achieve at once in this film because there's uh There's so many references to support the idea that communication is like key Experiences the response to different. It's lots of um Lots of really good stuff and and of course she's calling around another way I think which is If you really believe like fully that nothing means anything then why the hell were you so obsessed with having company when you kill yourself basically What does that mean? What does that imply? Like it is you wouldn't have done that if it meant nothing, would you? Um And so like this is enough to pull her back to the point of uh joy asking so You're just going to ignore everything else. You could be anything anywhere. Why not go somewhere where your daughter is more than this? Um here all we get are a few she like throws the quote Like at her again because she said this one earlier She says we only get a few specks of time where anything actually makes sense And then she says the response which is then i'll cherish these few specks of time Yes Because uh, yeah, it's less about what we don't have or more about what we have Yes You know that meme in movies where it's like uh As a joke it's like you reinterpret scenes of a movie to say like the name of the movie in the scene It's like i have become everything everywhere all at once. Yeah If there was a scene where somebody were to say that it would be this fucking scene Yeah, but well right now you have to go inside and talk to the godfather um and then They do something that I quite love it might be one of my favorite visuals to throw in so quickly I appreciate it beyond what you could imagine so Earlier they were talking about how she you know, she mentioned like wayman to her and becky to joy is evidence of like the universe providing something that was missing And you combine that with all the other things they've been saying about meaning And how we we are where we are and how we should appreciate what we have when she makes all of these last speeches to fully convince joy We get a lot of visuals we get um Deirdre sharing her vape with evelyn and just laughing with her because it's just like yeah, that's just they're just getting along now Deirdre vape's the worst character in the hot dog worlds. Deirdre and evelyn are doing their sex dance thing Because again like we don't care about how absurd or comical any of this is We're making one point with each of these visuals or rather a unified point with each of the visuals The raka kuni guy he wasn't able to continue running but then Uh, he gets on top of evelyn and controls her with hair and they're able to reach raka kuni like working together um gong gong reaches out to and and actually like has fun with becky Which is you know huge considering a lot of this was based on the the assumption that he wouldn't be accepting her at all But he was Yeah, uh evelyn in the subtle implication That becky's life gets better after after she stops buttoning her her top button. Is it it's interesting Think about what does that mean? What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know but the question has been asked Um evelyn asks wayman in the celebrity universe to give her a chance to give their relationship a chance The the rock universe the rock smashes into the other one The singer evelyn is just on the stage laughing with her dad Presumably because she recently screamed that was part of like the the second egg low point stuff Um to like bring all the universes down but they're going they're going back up. They're okay and um They show the choir singing the wayman set up the raccoon singing and the the image is talking faster and faster and faster and faster and we see um A lot of imagery for two two things colliding and they have A red apple and a green apple Right before a really fast flash of showing uh Thea the proto planet smashing into earth Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right. It's such a beautiful way to summarize everything Yep everywhere I want it once it's um I assume there's a pretty common knowledge, but the idea is that there's a good chance Life wouldn't have formed on earth the way that it is in any way shape or form if not for that event having happened Yep In all likelihood the moon is super instrumental in the way that earth is Yeah, like it's it just fucks with all the comp like the It's it's uh, it's the start of a lot of um different shows about science It's just like this theory of like because there's evidence of Thea as a as an entity in pieces of around the earth is like Absorbed it and it changed the composition to a degree that enough Oceans and and life could form and stuff and it's just like damn What a beautiful way to tie absolutely everything and down to the fundamentals of life forming It's so it's so terrific. Like you've got this musical build-up. You've got the image of planets colliding which is just like Like the like the sheer magnitude of that and then you juxtapose that With them mother and daughter hugging in the parking lot with no sound design or music at all. It's just the dead ambience of Standing in that parking lot There's no other sounds Going on and you just sit in that ambience And you listen to them hugging it out basically Like you I feel like a a lesser director not necessarily a bad director But a lesser director would have scored that scene with like a bit of music or something To like oh the audience needs something here to like make them know We need to make sure they know how to feel Yeah, exactly costing them to understand what's happening Right, but no that's not the answer. You have to have nothing just ambience. That's all you need here And they get it. It's people get it system balance throughout the film of really broad events happening like Where we're presenting essentially like the entirety of existence and all existences and everything that that entails and then these hard cuts to um Very small moments with people because that's kind of it's it's kind of like embodied in a speech to to joy there where it's it's like Even in the vastness of the multiverse where there's all of these crazy variables and things that you're trying to count for and just the the nature of how Uh existence being so expansive it kind of means that everything is I guess meaningless in a sense nevertheless like people still Abound to each other like people still have things that they value it's kind of like hard to To like not be a human being essentially even when you're confronted with the vastness of reality and the cosmos Um, right. It's it's why I think it's such a good idea to juxtapose Those crazy events and the vastness of existence in the universe with very small quiet human moments Um, it just sort of emphasizes that even in the in the mess of everything All it is to us all the time is like those human moments. That's like the important part. That's what helps us make sense of everything That's what we care about even when we're confronted with the vastness of reality Yes, and in in that instance it becomes clear to them the characters that that is everything It's everything everywhere all at once like for those characters in that scene where it's just like they're there together Hugging nothing else is going on. There's no music It's just them in that environment just sitting with each other hugging and that's everything to them And it's like you get a sense of oh, this is the movie. I get it Well, that's what I was about to say that's uh, if there was any way to boil this movie down into uh into a core It would be that the the the antagonistic perspective is nothing matters And the uh, protagonist perspective is nothing matters. Like it's kind of it's it's it's the same it's the same perspective I guess if you would take away all of the substance behind it But it's essentially one side is nothing matters. So fuck this Whereas the other side is nothing matters. So let's like get as much value out of life as possible We can do it if we want because nothing matters. It's a much more optimistic framing of uh It's it's so easy to sink into the negative. Basically nihilistic one rather than I guess lean into it's existentialism, right? Where nothing matters. So make of life what you will Which I think is basically the point that the film is espousing is kind of existentialism Not even kind of I feel like I'm downplaying it. That's basically the perspective I know what you mean the the the nothing matters line I think can be interpreted Potentially as like counter to what the scene is trying to say but what I interpreted it as is Nothing matters except this So like the the inference is the except this part where it's like well, I think matters except this moment that we're sharing here together right now Nothing else matters. I think uh, she says because she's like uh, joy says this is awkward nemens like nothing matters It's basically saying who cares like this is this is valuable. What's happening right now? This is meaningful. Yeah, I think get out of your uh your head on like what is you know awkward or Like who cares essentially that's kind of the attitude who gives a fuck like this is this is good. What's happening right now? Yes, equally valid. I think yeah, I agree It seems to me a lot of the what the film is saying is the components that make up The nihilistic worldview that joe boo had Uh, they're just how they were compiled for her when you don't have to compile them that way You can come out with all kinds of different conclusions. Um In like in the same way that life Life-having meaning is made from your own perception Like someone could see that as like oh, well, that's not it's like Yeah, but that's the same thing as finding a lack of meaning As in like that is still down to your own perception They're both from your perspective because the the truth is nothing matters But like what you make of that is entirely up to you Right I guess unless you have a different fundamental worldview of reality I think that's the logic for a lot of things in this where it's like You go life is fleeting and it's like so we shouldn't care about it. It's like no, that's why we should care about it so much it's like You live to experience you experience as much as you can and with other people um and You know, don't believe the like experience that you value is just an impossibility Like you keep fighting you keep living you keep looking You'll you'll you'll find something because I think I think to a degree this film has a an aspect of like Fighting is living and making sure That you uh, you fight but expand the definition of fight to include being kind assisting people supporting people because almost every action you take is against just sitting down and accepting like, you know Disillusion and falling to pieces you know like Like life is essentially fighting against entropy And it feels like this film tries to tell us like being confused and angry is totally normal feeling like You know, you're tied Down in your life through a lack of the correct actions or poor actions or Other people's actions upon you or whatever like it just try to understand that the the biggest sort of Problem for all of us is that it's just a lack of understanding that we're all in the same boat sometimes Yes And um, yeah, that's that's kind of like I don't know there's this this film doing all of that It's uh, it's incredibly meaningful I love that this uh This feeling that joy and Evelyn are having right now in this instance in the parking lot where it's just like pure I think joy We're like they're embracing each other and they're so Like I think five seconds before this moment. They were sad But I feel like in this moment now they are happy beyond beyond Any moment of happiness they've Had recently, you know, this is something that's completely lacking from the lives of the Evelyn and the Wayman in the um actor universe You know where they have achieved they've gone their separate ways. They've achieved quote unquote success They've starred in movies. They have a shitload of money. They're wearing tuxedos and fancy dresses and all that but they are missing this they don't have this and This evelyn who is the quote unquote worst evelyn that has achieved Nothing relative to all the other instances of evelyn throughout the multiverse has managed to achieve this Ecstasy of just you know, I'm here with my daughter These people in my life my family They mean so much to me and this is just pure happiness that i'm experiencing right now in this small moment in the parking lot and uh They have that to be thankful for you know, I love that about it. It's just like so such a positive message And I think it's it's true, you know, there's there's joy like that to be found whatever your predicament in life is You know and you just got to learn to Count your blessings be thankful for what you do have in life, you know because I mean there's there's bound to be a bunch of people in life or there is That have life much worse off than you do You know in any instance and they still try to make it work because that's the thing is it's more of um It's not like it ignores the idea of material realities It's just trying to give you a better point of view to be able to work with yourself on like This is all it's like a form of therapy that could act for a lot of people something like this Yes And uh, I've seen people describe it as like this movie is important and it's like I can I can see how something like this can Really help somebody out there Very therapeutic I think yeah for to watch. Yeah Definitely makes you feel good in the end and it does not feel so cheaply Well that that idea of everything quote unquote being embodied in Your family and the people that are around you and Whether it's like bad or good that you're going through on that particular day You're experiencing it in the proximity of people that you love You know and it's like an adventure you're going on with them like that's The joy in life That's the secret if you if you can be lucky enough to attain that and They perceive themselves as unlucky because they think of themselves as like oh i'm stuck in this dead end Laundromat doing fucking taxes and getting audited by the irs But they they have everything there under their nose and they don't see it You know that's that's what I love so much about this Um Yeah, we we cut over to we're back where we were square one again doing the taxes on the table and it says all at once Because now it's like with everything we've come to learn Where does it take us next about about all this different stuff and uh First and foremost when they get to the irs place You see that uh, she's like I think she says like Uh grow your hair out to Becky Which um again just in line with the whole like she's saying that stuff because she cares not because she's being a bitch or anything Um, they've got their cookies as well ready for deardre and Um as they're going in she gives wayman the big old passionate kiss Which I think reflects what he saw When he was first here with those other two that he made him feel like there's a lot more potential There and you know Can love bloom at the inter internal revenue service office They can indeed. Yeah, this one's definitely arguing so um, yeah, and then and then they're there and and uh Deirdre says So things are better you listened But you didn't listen you didn't account for some kind of section c and she starts Trailing off and and we hear a whole bunch of sounds and distortions Presumably from evlyn listening to other universes And it starts to fade a little bit and then she says evlyn are you listening? And she says yes and it ends Which she says I could you say that again, right? Oh, right. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah It was pretty emblematic of something that is kind of being reinforced consistently in this film, which is to focus on Where you are right now and your situation because at this point I think you can look at this last part and be like wait So did any of that happen like did any of of what we just saw before with the crazy multiverse stuff happen? when we have essentially Kind of like this is this is what happens in the real world Like what we would consider being these crazy multiverses are just you mentally drifting off and thinking about what if what if I'd done this What about this world? Like what if I was doing that? um, but now She's paying attention to the world that she's in you know, it's like oh, sorry like she She puts that out of mind and focuses in on where she is right now Um as opposed to allowing herself to just drift off into all of these different alternatives that aren't her life um Rather than fully being immersed in her life right now Yeah, and um, I think in they they went very deliberately without instead of having it be your taxes are great You're all great. Everything's great. Whoo. This is literally things are better But there are problems progress. We've got to deal with them progress. And yeah, and I think the with everything easy With everything that was established in the film um Is is is like you might think that the is like happily ever after but the film is like well Life has its challenges and you got to deal with them. You can't ignore them And that's that's okay I like that. It's like uh A newfound perception on life within the the same framework as before where you've still got these problems Like being audited But she has the problems can go away. She's still yes problems. Yeah, but this time around She's looking at the members of her family and she's getting lost In the infinite complexity of each of them individually, you know, it's just like um, there's my daughter She's got her own life and all these different things. There's my father He's got her his own story and this he's living it out and this That's his story and then he she looks at her husband thinks the same thing And she's uh without going into the multiverse thing of it she's kind of Entranced by the complexity of all the lives of her family and appreciating their presence But then also like looking at the the um insurance agent and going. Oh, sorry. What what did you say like? So I I I tuned out of this in Universe for a small moment, but I didn't jump out of this universe. I was staying within this universe, but just appreciating The um the near infinite complexity of my family members, but now I'm like focused on you like what was that again? I appreciated the uh Like the the scale and yet the minutiae of that at the same time And I think that's kind of the magic quality that a final scene of a movie should try and Capture, you know Yeah, um I see it's like it's just just everything is well Everything that was said of this movie was true about motivation and stuff But it doesn't make the taxes go away. That is a problem to be dealt with and don't Like because it was the springboard for the whole story in a sense. Um A lot of it happens It revolves around the taxes the taxes that consistently They're brought in and it's such a great sort of it's just everyone knows taxes to be fucking lame Everyone hates taxes. They're annoying Yeah, um And so yeah, it's just the film is just like fucking take your head on you can do it. You'll be okay and uh That's why I would go as far as saying I hope this film never gets a sequel because it's it's done. It's made all these ones Yeah, wait wait for it. It'll come everything everywhere. All it wants to nothing nowhere Never God that's like the opposite movie where everything's really like sad You're like as well at the end where they stretch out the title and the only letter that doesn't is the O Yeah noise um But yeah, that's that's the end of the movie then that's the credits we did it Hooray, we did it we managed to cover a very dense very dense We were three hours off doing the same as doc strange 2 Man, yeah, but I oh it's hmm Both of those movies both of these movies are very very dense. Yes one is dense with badness. One is dense with goodness I agree They really are just like opposites of one another they kind of deal with some similar topics, but their quality levels are just One is phenomenally good. One is horrifically terrible It's literally night and day. I could not believe the contrast Well, it's just this is a fucking film This like this is a fucking story someone had a story that they wanted to tell you know Yeah Because because uh, I guess it because I guess we're gonna start like putting a bow on this on the discussion about this film I think um, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the sign of something that's great Um, like a great story whether it be a film a book or whatever is a level of deliberateness Um In in the crafting of it, you know, like you can when you watch like a film and you get the sense like You thought through pretty much every facet of this story from like the characters the things that they say to each other their back stories and like there are their traits and how they Will mesh or clash with other characters symbolism uh cinematography Like even music choice and the fact that like you can have like a lyric that Something that you can easily miss that just has a lot more uh depth to it Even the the use of language like different languages in the film when you can like see all of these And just get the impression that everything about it was thought through Like usually you've got something really great. Um, that you're that you're watching I don't know that you accidentally achieve something like this, you know I don't think I don't think that's possible that you accidentally have passively write a script and create something this fucking excellent um Like I just don't think that's the case. This is like such a deliberate Thoughtful like well crafted. Um story. I think it's fucking great Very great Which about right it's not enough to just have a neat premise You gotta follow all the way through be deliberate with all of your lines All your connections and your details Well, the directors had studied a lot in this field. Okay, there's a term for it. It's modular Something I can't remember, but it's the idea that There's universes like this universe where like every kind of absurdity you can think of exists In a way that's as real as this universe is real and uh I mean, I don't know if i'm on board with that because like it's like that rick and morty thing where you have like couches sitting on pizzas ordering people to the house like Just like this makes zero sense. Like I I can never believe the universe would like Be formed this way out, you know on its own um, but like they had the discipline to kind of like navigate through that and uh Not just completely embrace the nihilism and the absurdism of the subject matter, you know, they actually told a grounded emotionally resonant family themed story And and use that as a framing device Uh across all this complete absurdity like this This is one of the most insane movies I've ever seen like just Like how crazy it was and how funny it was I've never seen anything like this before I was really delighted in the theater like fuck this is I'm having such a good time with this and I'm probably never gonna experience this again Years You know something isn't beautiful because of lost though. Yeah. Yeah, John cheese Um Yeah, I see that about does it for the movie discussion. Um, unless there's anything else anyone want to say about it Oh, no, I'm uh Running out of steam here after all of this conversation and sitting and focusing on this movie watching it playthrough on my filerino Lots to appreciate Good well In that case then uh, is everyone all right with me to go into the super chat see what messages we've been sent Sure sweet Um, yeah, I guess I'll just start from the beginning first one says mohler I don't know if you've seen men, but it does have a six minute long graphic m preg inflation birthing body horror sequence at the end um I know the capital opinion said it was bad and he's very familiar with alex garland's work So i'm willing to believe that it is bad I fucking love that movie x machina that he did so. Oh, yeah, i'm very tempted to watch it Didn't love devs didn't love Annihilation from what it sounds like i'm not gonna love this Oh, yeah Oh, well Uh, I hate jake kenobi. Well, we're watching that tomorrow. So jake kenobi. Oh, no Yeah, we'll we'll see who knows I'm not joking. Look it up. Jared leto has a cult on an island. It's weird as hell Uh, yeah, I've heard about that. I don't know the specifics of it. Um, yeah, it seems pretty weird Swedish chef mob mob mob All right Please have a two hour tangent about obi one on efab. Oh, you'll get you'll get your full coverage. No, you got plenty of tangents. Yeah Uh, kenobi proves how little destiny no disney, sorry in the tile Here's about their own cannon seriously. What the fuck you're all going to look in on this, right? Or did book of boba fat break you? No, we'll get out of there. We'll get out of that one But organize our team right to break it down Um, for any thoughts about multi versus game looks fun Uh, oh, that's the uh, yeah, it's Warner Brothers like smash brother thing. It looks fun, but I don't really know a whole lot about it I might check it out Uh, have you seen love death and robots? Do you like it? No, I haven't seen it I assume the other two lads here haven't either I tweeted about that multiverse thing because the trailer that came out It had like Batman and Super Saiyan shaggy fighting bugs. Maybe just like where the fuck are we as a culture? Where are we? You know what I mean? Like what does anything mean anymore? Like this is so absurd Uh, it annoys me how some movie reviewers say shut up and listen to me talk or don't tell me if you disagree without even realizing it Uh, don't tell me if you disagree. Oh I guess like they're not interested in hearing the negative or differing perspectives But like what if it improved your understanding of the thing, you know, I well, I mean, of course it could but I don't know Depends on if you yeah Uh, finally if I will explain the meaning of life the universe and everything I've been eagerly awaiting this moment for years high rags Hi We've talked about nihilism before don't worry. Oh, yeah. I I I hope Those who watched the movie felt this was everything they were looking for in coverage of it because uh Yeah, we we talked about a lot of the scenes in the film. I think quite a few many EFAP fnt and it's a gun that have inspired me to follow my dream I put together a rock band called grass wolf and we just released our first album moonshine There are covers of tell me why from berserk and escape from the city from sonic I mean a lot to me if you'd hear it. It's streaming most places. Thank you for everything. Good boy rags No, thank you. And it's it's grass. What grass grass wolf grass wolf Yeah, um Good job, you know And that shit Because when I google it I Obviously what pops up first is wolves and the grass But yeah, here you are and uh, what's is wolves chilling in grass? Yeah, just wolves and grass You know just yeah But then it has yeah amazon music unlimited I see um I appreciate the ambition, but it seems a little hard to break down everything that's ever been good hustle though guys Yeah, I mean why not right? We were gonna just just cover everything Once this is done. That's that's the last efev episode. There's no need to do another one Read pixar's 22 rules of storytelling and tell me if you agree with them Hmm Damn it. I'm playing mara caught so Pixars 22 rules of storytelling. Well, I mean this is probably something we would Save a different thing for right you might put a note for like uh episode 200 Something like that we can go through some of those that that sounds like it Maybe it might be worthwhile to point out. This is number one. You admire a character for trying more than for their success True I think which is true. Yeah, I think when it comes to the Storytelling being that there's some sort of plight to overcome the success itself is kind of Secondary to them putting in the effort to do it and the trials and tribulations that stem from it But we can we can go through that another time Um, this movie was phenomenal loved every minute Yeah, I kind of did too. I thought it was great. Yeah Um, I thought the gold standard was bio shock infinite for multiverse stuff. Oh No Are you fucking with us or I hope they're talking about they must know if they've watched this show the windows of bio shock infinite. Yeah We hate I hate bio shock infinite so much I love bio shock one. I really like bio shock two and I hate infinite Talk about a series that went off the fucking cliff Yeah a little bit I haven't played it yet and i'm looking forward to it and I that looks interest very interesting to me So i'm very curious Um from gameplay and story perspective, it's just Such downgrade get ready for the fourth game. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be great Um, hello mumble Bong and crew thoughts on interstellar heard on previous streams that you thought it was awful Could you give me some reasons? Hi raggle Hello The film is complete fucking nonsense The newest update for that for people who who care, I guess is uh, I was speaking to do my media like a few weeks ago Maybe two. I'm not sure And we were comparing our thoughts on nolan movies and we lined up on every single one except interstellar He was like, hmm Pretty sure if you if you hate too much on whether or not things make sense in that film It's gonna damage a lot of the value of like what's in it and the good stuff that's in it And and I was like, all right, let us do something crazy. We will watch it together And uh, we will we will literally e-fap it. I I actually like went through it with him and paused to have a discussion Yes and um And don't worry It's actually all recorded. Uh, that was the premise of doing it because I said it would be useful If you can um argue me out at some positions. I'll I'll I'll put in a video someday probably And um, I think by the end of it. He said Like he'd gone from saying it's a movie he quite loves in in different ways to He hates it quite a bit and he thinks it has possibly the worst ending in all of movies And halfway just goes off on her own this I'm not even gonna bother trying to explain it. There is so much I legit after watching it with him and discussing it with him My understanding of interstellar is less than it was before I thought I had a handle on it, but now I no longer have as strong a handle is so bad Did you know that black holes have oxygen and the temperature? Is it a place that a human could survive in it? No, it's like like one of a hundred things. It's so It's But yeah, uh, we Legitimately we we went through the ending like I'm talking about the last like few minutes of the film several times And we discussed for a while What the fuck the ending even is and I thought I used to know what it was But I no longer know what it was and then I asked a few people ending that I used to know I it's it's kind of fascinating and I'd like to To you know make something for that someday. I'll get there. Um It's it's quite a movie It really is so, you know more on that at some point Yeah, also. Yeah, I can finish it Oh Yeah, yeah Hey crew I disagree with your takes so far, but let's see if you can change my mind. I look forward to hearing your Our opinion on everything everywhere all at once Well, not only good, but great, but hopefully after laying out everything that we think is valuable about it Maybe we'll convince him, but I just like the idea that they're willing to listen to the arguments at least that's cool Yeah What is this fuck mary unalive morgan lafay medea of colchis and medusa I know uh, what's who's the second one? I don't I don't even know. I don't know if i'm pronouncing it correctly Maculca Uh, we don't we don't need to entertain at rags. You know, we can we can just we can just move on I'm much more invested in this second question. Just do you wipe sitting down or standing up? I can't believe It's a a9 secret. I can't divulge Hey man brave people try out both I suppose but uh Definitely not um that it's not say. Yeah, you know, I don't think that is this this just to finish it We just went over a film. It's all about experiences I think there's plenty of ways to wipe one's bum And there are many correct ways and there are many horrifically incorrect ways Whatever you do well and what works for you Whatever keeps you clean back there, man. Just go you go for it Know what no one's watching you in there at least they shouldn't be maybe that's your thing I don't know but no, that's you time. That's you time. Don't bring other people into this. Just be be yourself Just be yourself wipe your ass Hi rags Hi I'm gonna be back for the vaude, but I love this movie can't wait to hear what y'all have to say Also, this is my first super chat. Hello everyone else. Oh, thank you very much. Um Well, hopefully you will get a very substantial answer a chunk. I know you guys you will get a chunky answer That's right. There's a lot to talk about this film is layers of good Uh, I meant to say this several streams ago, but I never got the chance the rate of speed at which hassan reads comments Reminds me of children who read as fast as possible to impress adults Oh, yeah, because he's like He doesn't really read them like a census would be like like for instance someone says, uh Rage what should we fluffy fluffy this amount of what like that's how he'll fucking read like a comment that comes up It's like awesome. I didn't catch any of that Yeah, it seems so unnecessary Just slow down like he's deliberately obscuring everything he's saying You want to when you read something out loud the idea is you're not just reading it for yourself. You're reading it to That's what yeah, exactly people watching you want them to follow along with your thought process If you're gonna read fast at least and unsate the words correctly Holy shit If you're gonna, yeah, if you're gonna rate it fast at least speak with some level of clarity, you know It's like a dismissiveness Embedded in this speed that it's read out as if to like discard it right away People you know, it's okay much time to it, you know, you can You can read quickly but clearly or you can just read like a normal person. I suppose. It's not a race It's not a race true Destiny on e-fab. This is the multiverse. I needed it is a bit of a strange crossover, isn't it? Yeah Um started listening to destiny while welding at work And you're pretty enjoyable to listen to as well as the people he debates as dumb as they are yonky splonky All right, well we're more than happy to help you weld. Yeah, I hope your welds are How would you describe a good? What is it? Why would you describe a good weld? I hope your welds are secure Yeah And yeah, if it doesn't fall apart at the end, I suppose. Yes May your welds forever be secure and tidy, you know if it does fall apart by the end. That's okay. That's okay That was always a possibility. It's all right and you can build it back up um Your destiny some center right love for me you cool Oh, I'm sure he'd appreciate that I'm sure he would Um, if you could have a game of any franchise you like, what would you like to see? I for one would like a souls-like lord of the rings game. I think it could work well Oh, yeah, I think so. It could yeah, I think that could work really well I want my Daredevil game where you're uh, you go out at night as Daredevil and beat people up And then in the day you do court cases based on the evidence and stuff that you collect You're in the night and information that you can acquire. I want that. Yeah Yeah What about you mauler? So I guess I'm going to aim for like IPs that don't really have any video games of them But have lots of potential to and then Some kind of like game format that I think would suit it. I guess that's what I'm aiming for like Probably a pretty intense and very well executed uh, rpg that relates to um Like something Lovecraftian I've talked about before but it's the game I really want to exist and it comes close every once in a while But then they always fumble it's not very well detailed and it's made for a niche audience So it can't have much support I'm hoping one day we get The kind of thing I would really like and just really well executed Representations of the kinds of things you may experience but in the format of a game And and then you know replayability being able to go through and succeed with different builds and stuff That would be something fun. I think But like I would also have pretty generic answers as well Like it'd be really fun to have some more star wars games that are like really fucking good um Because I guess we're getting another one of the fallen jedi games, right or something. Yeah survivor Which um, yeah, you know Die Yes What about you john? Oh geez, uh Just a good halo game, please A good halo game Um, I don't know like what it is. I I Seek most out of video games I guess I like third person adventures and shooters like those are the genres I prefer the most I'm a big fan of sonic like old school sonic before it went 3d Even though I kind of have a saw spot for the sonic adventure games even other glitch buckets but uh Yeah I I really don't know. I'd have to think more about that I myself um I think instead of going around of a game that doesn't quite exist one of the things that comes to my mind is a because it's been tried in the past to Not gen not really good degrees, but I think it would be really nice to get a A more slower paced and survival focused fallout game But like really not like like oh you have to drink water every two hours that you would no no like a Like a nice kind of an atmospheric slower pace Survival focused fallout game I really like that world. I love the aesthetics I am a big fan of what you could do with that as a backdrop for a game But really managing You know health and hydration radiation resource management Not having super bullets, you know bullet spongy enemies not having those but Working within the small amounts of ammo that maybe you have and I think that would be really neat and if it had a good cooperative element where you could play with A friend or two. I think that would be really neat. Um, I've always kind of enjoyed those Adventurey sorts of games where you can play with a friend or be alone and just kind of just you know lose yourself in a world But I think that would be neat Um, all right. Well, uh wings quote of the day he comes back from the bathroom in quotations Uh, ban anyone saying did you wash your hands that shit is so played out Oh You should wash your hands regardless of your posture when you, uh wipe your dairy air You should always wash your hands. You should just wash your hands in general every once in a while I agree with you your peripherals clean wash your hands gamer So you don't want to get gamer gunk all over your mouse and keyboard not that gamer gunk Gamer gunk trademark. Yeah Uh bonus quote. I'm very not toxic It's true. It's true. He's he's he's one of the best wings. It's a great guy I'm very not toxic also Ban anyone who asks if I washed my hands. I am not toxic I Of course could be snap righted by wakes, you know, personally or seconds I couldn't tell you Personally, I don't do sub because if there are words on the screen, it causes me physical pain not to read it Also high rags watch black lagoon Um, hello Probably won't honestly, but you know, if I ever did that's an anime right black lagoon I don't know actually. I guess I could be either. Let me let me take a look here black lagoon It is an anime from A year that is Some people would say Is about 2006 I've heard of it, but I just I just I just don't really have an interest Um, but I'll keep it in mind if I ever get in the anime mood As for the whole I don't do subs because if they're on screen it causes me pain not to read them I guess everyone's different on this with their experience with subs. I just like yeah, I like them I like subtitles. They um, I've always found I can Like I take a bite out of the film. It's a more thorough bite when I have subtitles on I don't know else to put it I like having subtitles on as a way of studying the dialogue like, uh, especially on like, um When I've watched the movie once and then I'm watch I'm rewatching it. I like to turn subs on and just like analyze word for word what's being said Well, um, yeah, I find it's helpful So this one says watch normal meme compilations not meme faps. I'm not sure Exactly what they're saying, but um, it's kind of just sparked something in my brain. I'm like what if Oh, this would be much harder. Actually, I think I'm trying to think of how it would work, but the other way I usually do it where I cycle up like 100 images in a row and they're actually in tabs when I do it Um, it's like maybe I should make a video out of them instead But then I was like, wait, would that actually take longer? Because I'd have to save all the images then drag them all into the Timeline make the video upload it and then have it ready to be used when At that point I'm almost like doing more work. I think than having it just in tabs But um, anyway, the more relevant is that there are meme faps on the way. We're going to be getting One done. I think on Wednesday Lots of different things happening. We'll talk more about that for the end of the stream Um I have gotten ads for this before Um, yeah, I think destiny mentioned that a 24s advertising. It's not very good. I I know that I heard about this Through advertising and then I heard about it way more a bit later through word of mouth Like what? So like it wasn't invisible to me I think this movie is their highest grossing film. It is Yeah, and it's the one that I think I've heard of in the most normal Sense like I I think I just saw like a movie poster for it While I was at the cinema going to a different film I saw a poster for it or like an ad for it in front of another movie But it was the like the the first one that I think I've seen that was a typical advertisement I forgot to ask destiny though What he thought about the green night because I kind of hate that Yeah, so I'm curious because I love the lighthouse And I really really like this movie But I hated the green night so hmm I've always heard about the a 24 movies So I wouldn't say personally that they're marketing campaign for strategy. Whatever is a failure Like I learned about hereditary and mid-summer and uncut gems and all that I just I can't remember exactly how but I just found out about them and Maybe it's not in like a mainstream way where I saw it in like before some You know In the theater before some big marvel movie was screened on the on the big screen, but like You know, I would just find it on youtube somehow. I don't know I don't think they're miss marketed or anything. I don't think their marketing campaign is bad necessarily, but I guess it may be lacking in some regards I don't know um I hear us do you said you hated the green night. I thought you always felt kind of Eh on it like that was your feelings Me yeah I I like like I seriously think the only parts that I When I I I wouldn't have said that while I was watching it because I would be waiting for the Like waiting for things to happen and be you know thing Maybe I totally misread everything in that movie, but I I legit don't think I did But yeah apart from Like I wouldn't watch it again. I just I don't think I would either But I don't know that I feel that strongly about the film If you know what I mean like I'm kind of just like it was yeah, maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic But I I really just like it I think for wasting a lot of potential and what could have been a really cool story And I really like Arthurian stuff and fantasy stuff. I I so it just really I really just do not at all like uh, really don't like it. That's for sure. Fair enough Uh yuyu ha kusho is wildly known for having a better dub than sub kawai b bop is in a similar boat Dubs can be good if not better when made with love Yeah, I'm sure us case That's the thing I would my general advice is opt for whichever one Is the superior gives you the superior audio I guess right like that's just yeah, that's what you want You want good delivery Yeah, it's easy to imagine like the the dubs Being relatively fucked because it's like it's done in a booth Where none of the other actors are present probably Like they're just alone in a booth. It's not the same environment So the acoustics are different and there's also the proximity to the microphone Like if they're too close or too far away from the microphone, they're speaking into that can really Throw off the sound Like where it doesn't sound like the voices are coming out of that environment that you're seeing on the film, you know what I mean So, uh, I've always opt for like the in-camera Version like whatever was done by the actors in the scene. That's the that's the version. I want to listen to Yes, anyway, um, especially if I have no way of like Being told what the superior version quote-unquote is by anybody or a community around it If it's just a shot in the dark, I'll go with the whatever the original track is Yes Um, we all know that kimber is proof that dubs is superior. Oh You remember those clips the fucking great Um, destiny on e-fap. I'm soy pogging right now. No Hope you're okay Soy pogging What a what a fate terrible phrase sounds kind of gross. Yeah, it does sound kind of gross Soy pogging. Yeah, that's like like a vegan getting pegged by I know Bald lady, I don't know like something really out of uh, soy pogging and Hey, y'all, I just graduated high school and want to give you some of my money. Oh, that's very nice. Oh, thanks Congratulations on graduating high school. Yeah Uh, the random language switchup you're referring to is called code switching Is it Oh, there you go In linguistics code switching or language alternation occurs when a speaker alternates between two or more languages or language varieties in the context of a single conversation. Okay I mean switching languages or code switching it seems like You may as well just say switching languages because it's like it's much more intuitive for anybody who doesn't know what code switching is And it's about the same, you know, real estate in words We had to uh, I know before EFAP started Uh And it was, you know, moller wolf and I Uh, we had to really train moll because moller would do this all the time He would code switch between english and welsh. Yeah, and it was really distracting and we missed out on like half of the stuff He's trying to say so he really had to train him. We took him to you know Oratory boot camp and we had to really You know really train him up and so now he sounds how he does today But boy man back some of those weird slip in here and there you gotta shoot him down whenever you spot him Yeah, it was uh, it was something else, but The days are behind him. He's really hopefully hopefully Hopefully we he might slip back into it Uh look up mollin vera co frankie edga on google images man got turned into mo from simpson Well, you just copy paste it. So I can type in all that out Uh, okay Unless you can't in which case read all right apparently is ufc guys. So now i'm worried that what they're what they're referring to is That he got well, I'll look up if you want to out Oh, shit Images. Oh my god Yeah, there's no need to put that on screen. That's unfortunate Oh, damn. Yeah, look at that he got uh Yeah, that because it's yeah, it's like a kick from below that came up and it Yeah, it uh, it's it's like your mouth There's no there's not much of a chin left if you know what I mean your mouth is like the bottom of your face Yeah, I think his face just went up really quick So his skin is catching up with the you know the skeleton and it just look because you could tell by the ears Right, you could tell by the ear that it's like the head is moving upwards. Yeah Uh, and maybe he just has loose skin after years and years of being punched in the face So he yeah, hopefully I can't tell from these images, but hopefully there's no permanent damage. Hopefully he's all right Yeah, I I I hope he's fine and he's okay because You know that's ouch. That's quite a blow that that freeze frame is That's uh, um, also glad you're reviewing this masterpiece. Oh, well, we were happy to do so Um Do do Where are we just watch stranger things season four? Wait Is it all out? No, there's part of it's out from what I was doing the two-parter thing that's so many other shows are doing now Uh enjoyed it, but there were a lot of problems overall better than season three at least it's a solid four Fair enough Everything everywhere all at once is a solid four. No strange things out of 10 Yeah, that's what they're saying four out of four four out of four four out of four I want to know what they constitute a 10 out of 10 If they So wait is stranger things because I I've never seen the show is a four out of 10. Is that High ball in it for that or I was gonna say we don't discuss all of our takes with john So maybe maybe we have all kinds of disagreements to be had but season one I think is pretty good season two. I thought was awful season three was a complete disaster So season four being a four out of 10 is if anything a compliment to how it's been going as far as I'm concerned But I should clarify. I thought they were saying everything everywhere all at once was a four out of 10 Oh, I'm sorry. So stranger things. Yeah, I uh, I'm not that blown away But I think it's I feel like I get the feeling they're writing it as they Like they're making it up as they go along. Oh, yeah, definitely I don't really have faith in them concluding it in a satisfying way, but I'm curious enough to check it out Okay, time to check eFap quite late, but I'm sure I didn't miss anything important. Wait, what destiny what how? I mean, you know, he likes this movie. So I asked him to chat about it. He's been begging us for decades to come on to eFap Men is the most disgusting pretentious and insulting movie. I've ever had the displeasure of seeing an affront to the viewer's Intelligence and perverse imagery only to convey men. Am I right? I Haven't I haven't seen it And I have no idea what things about Uh, it's called men Men never heard of it Yeah It's It's the new alex garland movie. So that's all I got Um, not hearing good things about it so far I don't have I found the trailer so funny, you know, it's like men is I was intrigued by a movie That's what uh, but I don't yeah, I don't know what you actually get by getting it, you know Yeah Baggins of the day falco chubb baggins Falco chubb baggins What a that sounds like a man who has a short but thick penis Yeah, yeah, I could see a gyrate particularly quickly as falco chub That must have falco chub penis falco chub baggins Let's see Falco chub baggins on the tolkin gateway. He was the son of bilbo baggins uncle bingo baggins and chica chub He lived a long life reaching the age of 96 But not quite long enough to attend his cousin's farewell party, which was held two years after his death He was survived by a daughter poppy Uh five let's see in oh in the hobbit 2003 video Game five portraits are clustered on a wall in bag end One of them is falco and one of bilbo's lines when looking at the portraits is Ah cousin falco All right. Yeah Uh PS it wouldn't let me send that super chat if I had spelt it Without the m-e-n normally so you couldn't send it with the word men in it Weird really they said what the fuck youtube I I I I got nothing I think someone else has sent a super chat with the word men in it. Maybe it's about the word surrounding it. I don't know Men I'll never understand youtube's uh limits men of a Yeah, I was afraid destiny would ruin this conversation and use it to state how smart he is top 1 percent reader is Relevant to subtitles distracting from scene how um, I Do I think that I think he's totally fair to have that perspective? I totally understand where he's coming from I don't have a problem with it, but I it's not unreasonable that someone feels that way at all Yeah, because the first assumption that's why they had the whole conversation because the the first assumption that everyone would make is like Damn, how long does it take you to read and he's arguing I think any time spent not staring at the screen is time spent missing things on the screen No matter how quick you are But like seriously, I I don't know how else to explain it. It's not something everybody has obviously that's fine, but I would say um Sometimes I'm watching a foreign language movie and I forget that I'm watching a foreign language movie Because I'm so immersed in reading the subtitles so quickly while also taking in everything if you know what I mean Uh, I really enjoyed hearing his input like I I don't usually hear media takes from him So it was interesting to hear that I can't wait to hear his media takes I want to know which one is his favorite I can read incredibly quick. A lot of people couldn't absorb those sentences like single sentences pretty fast I don't think he's got a trouble on that. He's just saying that it draws you away from other stuff He could be looking at more thoroughly, I guess Hmm, and you know, I wouldn't deny the fact that you could miss read a sentence and read it again And then your eyes are taken away for a little bit longer and it's like, oh, no Oh Destiny's 100 right about subs. They are atrocious. All right, you're taking it too far atrocious No Evil as an alternative to dubs. I wouldn't describe them as atrocious. I mean, I think it's the better option Dude, if you have a bad dub like Sub's a hero, you know Yeah There can be some good dubs. I guess it's important to say but Usually no no Um, as someone who's forced to either watch movies dubbed or subbed in cinema. I despise subtitles they Not only always distract you But when you're watching a darker movie like the batman white bright subs can outright be painful Oh, well, yeah, that I don't even disagree with that. That's just yeah That's just needs to be it's like the the austin powers joke where the subtitles blend into the background That happens every once in a while Fuck it just slap the subtitles everywhere regardless of what's behind them Fuck what was the latest thing that did that because that's something that happened. Oh, it was something black widow. It was black widow Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah It's only a multi-gigillion dollar marvel film. That's fine. It's white full white subtitles in the middle of this fucking snow scene And it's like why would why? Like unironically you couldn't read what was some of the sentences you couldn't make them out as easily Yeah, um, and then there's the classic example in suicide squad would they have black text on a black background Temporarily, I think it runs pasta. It's just funny And uh, that that's the kind of thing where especially when we're talking about screen space and theaters where um, because I have monitors that you know my my monitors are 27 inches And I don't think I'll ever go bigger than that just because it's too much physical space for my eyes to keep track of Without having to start moving around to the point where I just can't I just don't want to do it anymore So I just I just don't think I'll ever get a monitor bigger than 27 inches Uh, I just don't want more. Yeah, I don't want more space In my country, we also have cheap dubbing in which one person reads all the lines and you can hear original sound in the background Oh joy. That's even a thing ugh Like one person voicing every character that sounds like fun I suppose is that better than having nothing else? I don't even know I guess I guess maybe for people who can't read And if I heard correctly, they're also doing the Foley like all the sound effects Oh, I think they were saying you have the original soundtrack for like the literal soundtrack is in the the track for all sounds in the background And then you have them on top of it speaking Oh, right. Oh sounds like painfulness Oh You'd have to balance. Yeah, I Uh in discussion subtitles or dubbing, there is a third way Lector in poland most movies have original voices with lector translating so you can enjoy acting and understanding everything I I sounds like the last thing. What's lector translating though? I don't know. Let's the lector Mmm So Yeah, I I don't know because Elector is just a speaker Uh, so I oh I thought maybe it referred to some kind of style or Well, I I'm thinking if if Like maybe it is maybe that's what the previous super chat was saying where someone essentially voices over the words But you can kind of still hear the actor in the background. I don't know It's definitely not how I would want to yeah, I was gonna say like I can see what you say, but like Damn, that sounds like a clash, doesn't it? You know Yeah, you get the worst of all worlds. Yeah, he's like I've got the words from the english So I understand what they're saying and then I get the emotion from them to get that impactful thing But it's like yeah, but at the same time like I don't know Uh, but maybe there's something more to that because I just tried to google and it didn't seem to come up with Anything in specific so I'm not sure In the netherlands, we subtitle everything can be funny klingons translates as sticky people But very annoying instead of a with 3d glasses Sticky people Oh fair enough, you know what the worst insult is and clion What's that? Your mother has a smooth forehead. Damn I'm gonna have to cut that out for the final Uh, does destiny have adhd? um I mean, I I think he might have said that it's a possibility, but I don't think that's why he has his position on subtitles Uh, you know, he gave his arguments Yeah, I totally understand where he's coming from. It's not and it's not unreasonable I get it. I'm not like that, but I get it I'm so proud of Detsony for coming out as part-time dyslexic literature is overrated burn the libraries I I reckon we should keep them. Let's keep the libraries though. Yeah, why not? Hey, you can't spell libraries without lie Oh Libraries where they keep the lies the lies. It's all very full of lies. Yeah We live in a world where winnie the pooh is getting a horror movie everything went to crap when harambe dies No, fuck it. Winnie the pooh horror movie give it to me. I was gonna say that sounds like it could be funny into my veins Why not because that's in public domain in it so you can do it everyone. That's why that's why that's happening I'm surprised disney let that happen because my understanding was that disney would constantly recycle their properties They uh exceed the statute of limitations, right? I think it's too old So you can the idea would be that like any any of the films or stories that they made You know like in the last 20 30 40 however many years stretching back those are protected by copyright But like winnie the pooh the character is public domain There's nothing you can do about that Eventually mickey mouse will be public domain eventually. You don't have to know when when the pooh was created. Do you? Uh, I don't know. I can I'm just curious how old he is. I mean, I guess he's older than mickey mouse Then I don't know I realize that the way it's supposed to go is that after 70 or so years something enters the public domain But like I understood that disney had a way of circumventing that Where they would not forever keep their properties and it won't be forever Even mickey mouse will eventually become public domain. They pushed it back a lot Winnie the pooh was created in 1924 as ed would bear and then he was winnie the pooh in 1926 Wow And it would be because of uh The the author who made it right it wouldn't be because of disney I think uh, because like it's yeah, it says disney licensed film rights from the estate of uh, a a mill um in like 1961 Using the unhyphenated name winnie the pooh because his is actually hyphenated Um, so yeah, I don't know all of that. I just know what something to do with um public domain Oh Well, I'm glad they go into public domain eventually that's cool Yeah, like I said, what if this horror movie hit winnie the pooh thing is like amazing I know it won't be but still what if it is It sounds pretty funny it does People in chat are pointing out it depends on what's country or in how long it is america's got different ones than australia than the uk It varies. It's usually some amount of time after the the creators died Um, but sometimes it can just be a fixed number of years regardless of uh when the created dies Yeah, well, I thought it was a fixed amount of 70 something years like about like the duration of somebody's lifetime like on average Uh, I like subs but I feel like you can miss facial expressions or other small details It's a little bit different from being able to just watch their face Like sure, um, I just I would then appeal to the format that you miss stuff all the time when you're watching a movie And uh the time spent reading the subtitle for me, it's like fractions of a second sometimes. I don't know Um, I sorry this is on the because I found it on wikipedia. Um, the us copyright of winnie the pooh ended in 2021 It was 95 years after the publication of the first story Uh, it's public domain in america disney no longer hold exclusive rights in the united states Um, and the uk copyright will expire at the end of 20s 26 70 years after mills death Okay, so it's expired in america, but it's not expired yet in in the uh, the uk I love that. This is just like the first thing you do with a public domain property. This is like Horror winnie the pooh, dude. Eldridge winnie the pooh does sound kind of funny. I don't know. I would have expected Like the day of winnie the pooh in fortnight You know that youtuber meat canyon that just takes beloved childhood things and turns it into nightmare fuel Uh, whomever brought up lector voiceover thing and thinks that's a valid alternative to subs or dubs. You are fucking wrong. Oh my Oh, that was in a super chat as well. All right. Well, I don't know anything about this lector thing But if it is as simple as just you record your voice over the The thing which I I'm starting to trick him like memories. I'm pretty sure I've seen movies like that like really old ones That was an approach That's not what I like. All right Not what I like Today's animal of the day is the spitting cobra Oh, wow spitting cobra. Look at how he spits. Yeah, thanks boy. Look at these spitty boys. Look at that. He spits fucking venom so wait is Is it like contact with your skin is enough for that to just do its job then I guess Um, presumably I assume. Yeah, I assume it's a bit because it looks like it's coming out of his uh I guess that it's just too huge. Yeah Oh I'm glad I don't live in a place where snakes can squirt venom under me Yes, I agree. I was You know is but I was about thinking just the other day, you know what you know what snakes need ranged weapons Um All right, please read the pokedex entries for sandigast and palo sand Sandigast and palo sand Sandigast let's go to are there any non-cursed pokemon descriptions at this point like It's all horrible probably just like metapod good sorter. Yeah Palo sand let me line these puppies up so I can Read them both. I know the site to go to now that has all of the things so sandy gassed Uh Born from a sand mound playfully built by a child This pokemon embodies the grudges of the departed. Oh It oh shit. It takes control of anyone who puts a hand in its mouth And so it adds to the accumulation of its sand mound body What wow that's legitimately fun. So first off. Here's a picture Is it gonna be all wholesome and happy? Oh Okay Let's see I bet that's organic Yeah, sandigast mainly inhabits beaches it takes control of anyone who puts their hand into its mouth forcing them to make its body bigger So Why is this in pokemon and not something lovecraftian? It just seems to be where it belongs And then we have palo sand which is what uh, the fucking last one evolves into sandigast evolves into Here's a picture of him Okay It's just a sand castle, but that's fine. That's but if you interpret that as a mouth in those bits of eyes. He's just like In pain or something. It doesn't seem like he's having a good existence. Let's put it that way Oh my goodness Buried beneath the castle are masses of dried up bones from those whose vitality it has drained They really grains It's from ultrason each of its grains of sand has its own will Palo sand eats small pokemon and siphons away their vital essence while they're still alive That's nice. Oh my god. It these other ones palo sand is known as the beach nightmare It pulls its prey down into the sand by controlling the sand itself and then it sucks out their souls Again that's nice Man I have a friend who's so up to date on all the pokemon like however many like 800 there are now like i'm still stuck in the 90s I only know the 151 Yeah, I know like original. That's it. Yeah Um Lord long bong of mueslington abbey. Have you ever given any more thought to a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong? When there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages. Yes. Hello wagsies screeches for the good boy Thank you. Yeah, I think so. We're gonna give that a shot at some point sometime soon. Probably maybe who knows Make a part of it all could be great Imagine your kid sticks its hand just half hazardly or half hazardly. Sorry half hazardly into a Uh a sandy gas or a palo sand, right? And it gets like possessed and sucked in so You know and you you can't stick your hands in to save it because if you do It'll then you'll get you know like stuck in your you'll you'll you'll get your soul sucked out of you Me you got a I don't know you find an alternative thing before it sucks out your child's soul pretty much. Yeah, that's The goal it's fucked up Uh factor Where you keep your wallet if it's in your front pocket coins won't matter But if it's in the back lumpy wallets are annoying to sit on Yeah, that's why you never put your wallet in your back. I just don't put it in my back pocket ever. Yeah You can't win this This is a pear character stretching his arm forward raising his thumb up. Thank you very much Hi, enjoying all your critiques. Does if I've reviewed documentaries lauren southern american mirage documentaries pretty good and informative Give it an eyeball gaze if you can I doubt we're gonna Don't really don't have I just don't have any interest. Well, uh, look we'll do kanobi. That's like a documentary. We'll watch kanobi Yeah, we'll go to tattooing. Yay And we'll watch whatever we'll watch jake kanobi do his E fat needs to get political. Okay, it's about time The time is now Watch rush hour funny watch it also high raiden I guess is that rags rate is close enough. I guess I don't know Raiden Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know because that's yeah, raiden's like a video game character He's from mortal combat, right? Right, yeah, yeah that one Uh, yeah and rush hours. I remember liking rush hour a whole bunch Yeah, I like it Oh, I should have thought of this sooner. Hasan is the type of guy who would exchange chocolate coins for a single chocolate coin of greater value Well, that could work. What if you had three thin chocolate coins and you exchanged it for one big thick one? Maybe yeah, you had a chocolate dime Then you would want to exchange it for a chocolate penny Like a whole bunch of chocolate quarters versus the chocolate dollar It's like well, I guess I need to see it to know which one's more valuable, right? Yeah, because the dollar could be really like thin. Hmm Or thick it depends Um, destiny. Why is your chat so insanely retarded? Oh, no Hey, look, they're they're from twitch or at least they they were from twitch. You gotta give them space. All right You need time Did they say the r word uncensored? Probably probably my god Um, I haven't seen this movie yet. Definitely need to chow Yeah, I mean, I guess I should have mentioned this at the beginning, but I probably would recommend you go watch the movie before I'll break down Um Because it's yeah, I would something to experience, you know Hey, Vry, I remember you talking about all star superman. What are your thoughts and do you recommend it? I haven't read it yet, but I will All right All star superman Like one of the often recommended Stories like of superman Oh, like an extended like comic book thing extended. Yeah, like a paperback. Oh, okay Uh ali seen in celebrity versus shot like the mood for love a movie about heartbreak Yeah, the um the slow Sort of phasing motions if you guys remember at certain points in the background people were moving as though they're in like a blurry slow motion Uh, they do that a bunch in the mood for love and then The martial club self-taught youtubers did the choreography and appear as the butt plug guys. Oh, that's cool Good for them I love when movies do in camera effects like they manipulate the the shutter speed And the frame rate and stuff in creative ways and they actually are thoughtful about the lenses that they use Yeah, depending on what shot they're trying to film Like the the wrong way of getting carried away with that is like the fucking What's his name zack snider with justice league? He used those retarded, uh lenses on army of the dead for you How dare you He's obviously just mothered vaseline on the lens and started filming Yeah chapstick and just rubbed around the edges Gus Fringy crossover episode when I don't know if that's ever happening Whether or not we'll get young collo Esposito on to the stream. I mean, I'll email him Uh, hey, buddy. It'll happen. It's only matter Also, hi destiny also. Hi rags Hello I'm catching up on the stream but seeing as all you will like the movie I once again highly recommend doom patrol similar wackiness similar hard-hitting themes similar character based storytelling similar marketing Well, fair enough. I usually hear good things about doom patrol I tend to hear good things You know what else is everything everywhere all at once grandma after a night with rags. Oh Oh my goodness. That's not true at all. No, that's a lie Uh Fringy we require more of your opinions on ken. Oh, this sucks b Oh I haven't seen it yet. Me neither. Uh, also, I'll be right back. He's Lou. Mm-hmm. Hey, but they said they love your streams All right, thanks. Yeah, don't worry. You get your kid. I'll be covered. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't actually seen him yet So you guys gotta wait, right? All right Adored this movie can't make it for the stream, but I'm really glad you're giving it recognition much love everyone Yeah, well, thank you and uh, I I I think the movie's awesome I'm glad to give it some appreciation Uh, everyone from er to joseph anison to vorsch say that outer wild is a masterpiece The writing and impact are on par with soma and the other parts of the game are even better It's easily among the best games ever not playing it. It's the sound levels of intelligence. Oh Okay, that's the way to put it The dlc is also an unofficial halo crossover play at schlaums I will I will play it. I will do it at some point. We'll do it Uh, would you say that this movie is contrivance proof given that every contrivance is just a statistical probability Um I wouldn't justify All of it that way like so the example of Someone being like, oh how convenient that there's a universe where she knows kung fu and she can draw from it It'd be like, well, no, there's gonna be a universe where she knows kung fu that she can draw from however Something like him grabbing the sign and putting it under his back so he doesn't get his back broken I'd be like, yeah, that was that was pretty convenient because if she'd lifted him up in any other part of the room Uh, he might not be able to reach for something that could have rescued his back from that. That's just a standard good old fashion convenience um But yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't put those both in the same category if that makes sense um Video game controller jumps up and down excitedly Oh, it's cute little little sentient controller fun um The channel I finished a video game did a five hour breakdown of every Lord of the Rings video game ever made He'd make a good e-fab guest for any video game chats Yeah, fair enough That'd be interesting to look at I wonder if it includes all the other ones we Well, I've end up playing on the good old super chat catch up to know Um Fringy you may want to look into the popularity of certain letters and names For example k used to be popular for a while, but in recent years it's been declining likely due to corporate prevalence Interesting Didn't know that um Fact gerry in the two mouse keteers episode from 1952 tom good Tom good decapitated tom got decapitated because gerry and that gray little shit did not leave the dinner table alone There's a lot of anger toward gerry. I see I can understand that I'm not I'm not saying it's impossible You tom does some stuff. That's kind of rude, right? Yeah sound so convinced Ha ha ha Rewashed again last night and it really is a movie that rewards return viewing love how creative and original it is while Fitting everything together so well with a core story and theme definitely good rat high rags Who would he would say hi? He's just away for a moment Uh shut up fed. You don't matter taxation is theft and then punches deardry, but then look what happens. It all gets worse Uh molla, thank you for all you do your content inspired me to embrace my call to writing. Hey The things you've done help me get through deployments in afghanistan in closing is an e-fap on the lost kingdom possible um Is the lost kingdom that matt daemon movie? I don't know Oh wait, it's like a show series 2015 to 22 Uh, I am you're thinking of the last duel, right? Uh, well, I they said the lost kingdom and the lost kingdom seems to be a tv show. Um, oh it was five seasons long I don't know. I don't think I've even heard of this uh Well, I I mean I've I've not seen it and I have no, uh Likelihood of seeing it right now. I guess so possibly not but hey, it's good to hear that. Um Our our stuff can can help you out and whatever it is you're up to and hell yeah embrace your call to writing Get some stories going my dude We Um not by killing what we hate but saving what we love ryan johnson was the blueprint get rex niteroids Also high rags again movie is cool movie is cool Uh glad to hear what an e-fap episode is like when y'all like and enjoy a movie for a change. Thank you all Yeah, yeah, we've had a couple of these Uh, they've existed in the past. We've done we've done positive coverage. Haven't we rags this happened before? Hello, um, what have we done before? I'll just read out the two that we missed the high rags Hi, and high rags again. Hello. Oh, hi there Um, but yeah, if you if you wanted more positive coverage from us, we did the three long streams on arcane We we like that show quite a bit um I think there's some other ones in there too. You'll you'll find them Uh, I know next to nothing about everything everywhere all at once, and I'm glad you guys recommended watching it Oh, yeah, all of you should go check it out. It might be something you love Might not but hey worth the gamble Uh If you bring yourselves to cover she hulk that might be a great opportunity to invite rakita law on He'd be a fun guest. He's open to coming on glad you covered this movie. It's great. Hi fringy Hey, that could work. The only problem is it requires us to watch it Which is You know, that's an obstacle because if there I gotta say I gotta doubt There's gonna be anything worthwhile to talk about in terms of law in that film at show I wonder even how much time they'll even spend in a courtroom like at any time I don't know but um Definitely gonna. Oh, yeah, we did a train to busani. That was pretty positive Attorney at law is like part of the title, right? So I guess that's a major Like function of the show is like she's in a courtroom Presumably like a quarter Um, yeah, we'll we'll see we'll get him on for something at some point. Anyway, it's um, It's happening. It's gonna happen Why didn't mr. Boss point a gun at jobu and end it? Mr. Boss Who that Don't know They don't know gongong because um, the thing is guns don't really work on jobu They don't seem to work because they basically got godlike powers. Yeah um, he points guns at Uh Joy because if he kills the joys in the universe then jobu can't access the universe through that joy I think that's how that works if that's the question or anything Um, now that you've finished everything everywhere all at once watch death of dick long You massive the script is hot fuzz tight and funny. Daniel shy not is good tizm I've I've I don't think I've ever heard of this Death of dick long. You guys who do that? Recognize this function. No Oh drama crime movie from 2019 I have not heard of it neither have I I don't think I recognize any of the actors in it either Well, uh, maybe maybe at some point Uh, cool to see you dumbo's watched and liked everything everywhere all at once I haven't seen this episode yet, but I've never expected destiny to be on probably for an hour play ddlc Oh, he came on for four hours. I think Which um, you know, it's still quite a lot of time for the normal person, you know Like, uh, you know, we can't appreciate john for doing it anymore. He's just not normal. He's weird You know, so it's hard for normal people to do that true. Yep Um, the hell is the point of a back pocket if not for a wallet. What the fuck man? Well, I mean first of all, you don't have to use your back pockets Nobody's forcing you Secondly, um, what do I store my back pockets? Probably just notes or anything thin and papery if uh, if I have that But even then I've never been that comfortable putting stuff in my back pockets always front pockets Yeah, so I'm putting anything in my back pocket. Yeah Oh, okay Um, and with that that's the end of the superchats Which is well already boy essentially the end of the stream. So thank you all so very very much for joining us Now absolutely. I must I must reveal what's happening over the next few weeks. Okay So don't panic evap, but you're not gonna catch us live together For about two weeks I think from now one two maybe oh no three weeks. Damn. Yeah, so three weeks. However You will catch plenty of stuff regarding us in that timeline For example, I did mention it at some point. Maybe the last stream, but we've got a whole evap ready to go It's been recorded. It was fun. We had guests and that's gonna premiere Next saturday on moola as the replacement evap because myself and fringley dingles Have real-life things that are getting in the way of something for now The following week Will likely i'm pretty sure this is the case will likely be a meme fap that we'll be hopefully recording on wednesday And then that'll come out the following week. Like I said, and then the week after that We shall be back in whatever capacity it may be Funnily enough by the time we hit that how many episodes of konobi will be done by then as in like out is that Uh, like four, I think yeah, there's only six right? Yes, right. Well, uh, obviously we are watching the konobi episodes tomorrow They're being recorded and then uh, they shall be worked on but they're not going to be like the boba fett episodes These things are long so they will come out as soon as they're completed as opposed to um You know like just expeditiously at all costs or anything um, but we're looking forward to getting that out to you folks and um Yeah, that's that's about that. You'll be getting Uh one catch up per week as well Just they'll just be coming out whether or not because we're actually caught up again We are we are legit like that. That's that's that's how it's happening now. It's amazing And i'm sure we'll keep this up right up until the anniversary stream and then all fall apart again It'll be great Um Nice. Good night. You massives my pc died sadly. Oh, no That's not good. Get it. Repay it Yeah Get a new one replace it. I'm all recorded is iron man three unbridled praise. No No, no, no, no. It was funny. I was on a stream Uh, it was real bvc and there was this like sort of vague sentiment of you know what iron man three pretty great compared to what we uh What we're getting now and I was just like And then like there was another that's like, yeah, you know, there was this scene there was this thing And there was a a guest called uh, clifton dughead who was there and he was he was just like No, I hate iron man three. I fucking hate that movie. I was like, yes Yes, it's terrible It's like not even in the face of phase four. Do you get complimented? Uh You disgusting culturally different freaks. Anyway, love you mola hot also check out if you can add more emotes to youtube chat Just in case you know what I shall that's something that I'm been in been intending to to sort out but Uh, also drunk e-fap when probably when a bunch of things are sorted out iRL on both myself and freaky sites We will be able to do some more gaming ones because we've done the catching up And we're hoping to get some meme faps done And so it'll leave us with e-fap movie recordings and maybe e-fap gaming streams of which we'll likely invite you John if you wish to come Oh for sure, man. I really appreciate you have me on for this I mean, I know I kind of uh suck and like formulating my ideas sometimes and like there's a million other people who are very Much more well versed in like film criticism that you could have on but I appreciate you have me on for a film like this And thank you chat for For indulging me. I appreciate it. Yeah, we always appreciate you coming on man. Giving us your time those Eight hours a day. We just stole from you Snatched it up Absolutely happy to do it. This is great So, yeah, that is the schedule for what you can expect coming soon. This is this will obviously be up on mula tomorrow And um, yeah, everything else Full follows. I'm working on stuff I assume for any rags. You're both working on stuff. Is there anything else you guys want to say about forgotten those things? No Well In that case, uh, John, do you want to do you want? Is there anything you want to say that may have changed since last week about Places people can find you what wick you're you're you're you're diddly doing Sure, man. Thank you. Uh, I I'm john graham on youtube and uh, I make uh Master chief sucks a halo and rb in the chief and I got a new master chief sucks a halo coming out I think i'm gonna premiere it tomorrow actually I got uh master chief sucks a halo infinite part one and two One part one is the multiplayer part two is the campaign And i'm gonna make a day of it tomorrow and and premiere both of them publicly back to back Like probably 10 50 minutes apart from one another so Yeah, I guess you can tune in for that if you're interested and Yeah, oh, yeah um, do you uh, is there any kind of like Because I don't know if you do do you do anything on twitch or have you not gone into it at all? No, I used to do the restream thing where I would broadcast a youtube and twitch at the same time But uh, then I just did youtube and then I just stopped because I wasn't getting Any joy out of streaming at that point I'll pick it up again at some point, but uh, I'm just feeling a moment. If ever you do don't worry about um Ask him for like if you want any guests or people to keep your company We would well, I was gonna say we would happily do it But I can't speak for the other two but I would certainly well, I mean I'll Well, I guess Well, I guess so but yeah, uh, you know, I really appreciate you saying that I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, thank you Yeah, yeah, yeah, that means a lot for sure, uh We're just gonna love you massives, but for the love of god update your mula playlist lol I'll I'm gonna do it all in one big day planning thing soon not yet, but soon Uh, also john is literally the best guest. Hey, high praise. There you go. Oh, thank you so much Um and on that note That's about it. I don't know. He said unless there's anything else any of you wanted to say about absolutely anything at all I'm good. I got I got I think we got it all everything everywhere. Yeah Um, what a great way to end as well Mola your gray won't let me say it anymore. It won't let you say gay anymore Oh It's okay. That is very gay. I'll accept gray Um, very gray Alrighty then. Yeah, thank you all so much for keeping this company. Thank you for the kind donations and we will see you In one way or another soon enough So I'll see you there. I guess goodbye. See you later and good night. Here's everyone. Thanks. Bye. Bye