 As far as, in terms of Ann Wren having known her and her ideas really closely, to what extent was her Jewish identity that relevant to her? As relevant as mine is to me, maybe for her it was less because she didn't go up in Israel. So for me, it has been, look, she grew up in a middle-class Jewish family before the revolution in Russia and then experienced the revolution in Russia and managed to escape in the 1920s. She said she didn't consider herself Jewish except in the face of anti-Semitism. And to a large extent, I think of myself that way as well. I don't consider myself Jewish except in the face of anti-Semitism or the anti-Israeli or whatever we want to, you know, the combination. I consider myself an American.