 Hello and welcome to the drum history podcast. I'm your host Bart van der Zee and today I am joined by Chris Roussio to talk about all the gear of mr. Lars Ulrich Chris welcome to the podcast Thanks for having me Bart super super psyched to be here and do this with you today me too man. This is like This is a we're in for a long Journey I would say this is very likely gonna be a multi-part series about the gear of Lars I've learned that from the Neil Peart series where it's like It's silly to try and jam everything into one episode because you miss stuff and Lars has a lot of you know Different drum sets. Yes, but there's a lot of nuance to everything a lot of variations. Yeah Yes, so if you're on YouTube you can you're you're gonna see all this but if you're just listening at home I'm gonna say that Chris has provided. I don't know if it's the exact number, but roughly around 310 photos to me through through Dropbox that are more I mean I've looked at Lars photos before and I've never seen a lot of these so First off, thank you for doing that. Thank you for we've been working on this for a while. So thank you Chris Oh, no problem. It's uh, it's it's it's really fun to do something like this, you know, I've uh, yeah like I told you before I've built a couple replica kits and I I've always wanted an episode like this to you know, see hey, what is this guy doing? What's this? What's that something to help me along but yeah, nothing really exists. We're gonna do it today So super psyched about that. Yes, so I am super psyched. I'm psyched about every episode, but this one in particular I love these gear episodes Before we start I want to give a big thank you to Billy Harrington who's been mentioned on a number of episodes I know the Bonzo guys George Flutus and Terry Keating are big fans of his and he's a very knowledgeable guy He reached out to me saying I if seen if I had more info about his Lars retail like Artstar 2 All right series kit, which we will talk about that later and I said no, but I want to do a Deep dive into Lars and I can't find an expert, you know kind of when I I Looked a little but he said you got to talk to Chris find Chris on Instagram. I found you here We are right now and let me say as well I know other people have suggested a Lars episode in like YouTube comments and through email But Billy's the one who got us connected so everyone else who suggested Lars. Thank you very much awesome idea. We're here We're making it happen Chris as you mentioned you are an enthusiast you've a very seasoned enthusiast of Lars you just saw him live Which we'll talk about that as well, but I'm trying to think how we should start Maybe we just jump in here. We got a lot of ground to cover So you want to just jump in and start with the earliest Lars kits and go from there. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're better to start from the beginning So let's strip out all the endorsements. You know, let's get rid of the fame. There's no Metallica at this point So the first kid the first kid is a little weird It's been mentioned a lot, but there's really no solid information on it. I've had a hard time myself Find an information on this kid. So way back in 96. There was a VH one episode It was a Metallica behind the music. There was actually, you know, the same picture I gave you today was brought up and it was discussed but never in detail, you know modern drummer issue 87 Modern drummer 96 brought it up But it's never been really explained. I mean, there's also a YouTube video Guitar Center where Lars said, you know, it was like one rack Tom up top To floor Tom's a kick The pick the picture is kind of you know, it it doesn't reflect that it's what everybody's been saying, but So what I found out these are this is a mixture kind of a thrown together kit I see a premiere Tom. I Definitely see a pearl Tom. Yep. Oh with this with the script kind of with the old kind of the gold script on there Definitely looks to me to be about 60s 1960s model. It's got that white marine pearl color kind of the thing. They were doing in the 60s. Sure. So from the picture I see a 12 It looks like a 12 by 9 to me I think I see a 13 by 10 and that's that's all we really get in the picture I know there's a the kick drum from that episode The VH one it was panned out. It was the same color and the colors matched the toms. So Maybe we got a Ludwig kick drum there. He did mention a slinger Lynn. So maybe we have a slinger Lynn floor Tom I can't you know, I can't say in a hundred percent fact. That's what we have No, but it's it's it's cool It's in a kind of if you glit if you look through and you you kind of peek through it Looks like also a white marine pearl for Tom and and a and a metal snare and we're talking I mean so Lars was born December 26 1963 in Denmark Chris and I talked before we can't really do both a biography episode and a gear episode So this is really more about gear, but if I had to guess, I mean he looks like he's about Seven or eight years old in that picture. I mean, right Do we know an age range or well from the same interview Lars mentioned? He was he was his grandmother got him this kid And he was about 14 when he got on his knees and begged her for a kit and then it showed up So I looked at that picture and it kind of you know He doesn't look 14 to me He's a smaller guy, I guess in stature, so it could be so I'm estimating you know, 1977 this kid is from um, I Could be wrong, but I don't see anything out there in all my years of research Anything else that would You know be his first kid. I think this I found a Batman. I would say this is the first one This is the one that probably when James was talking on the same interview James is like, you know, he had this kid. It wasn't that good. He'd hit the symbol. It would fall over You know, I think Rob McGuffin Ron McGovern. He had mentioned something about it. So I think this is the one I'm pretty I'm pretty confident. This is the first kid Yeah, so but and it's interesting because there's also another black and white photo where he's playing Traditional grip. He looks young. Yeah, I mean he could be 14 there, but holy cow. He looks like a younger Right guy. Yeah, could it be it could it be another snare that you know friends of family members We don't know so sure this early. It's kind of hard to find any 100% rock solid information. So yeah, okay That's cool. So so what's our next kit that we go to so now? Right before Metallica started like I said he he went away for the summer. He came back That's when he called James in October and they really got the thing kicked off. So our next kit There's a couple variations of this kit, but this is a camco renaissance Now camco. I believe it was a it was a 70s company It was it started in California, but it was bought out now camco is bought out by Tomah and I believe the hardware was bought out by DW. Yeah, so he described it as a used kit He got from the same place West Coast drums It's a renaissance. You can look it's a natural maple and you could tell from the inlay on This kit that this is a renaissance. I believe they were made in Pennsylvania at the time. It's it's a six-ply maple and It was described as I believe it was described as a six-piece, but I'm seeing more, you know, I'm seeing four rack toms I believe a 12 by 9 probably a 13 14 15 and we have one floor Tom, you know, I didn't see there were there weren't two floor toms at this time So I'm gonna imagine the floor Tom was probably a 16 by 16 Sure You probably had a 15 by 13 in there And we see the snare same thing camco renaissance. So it's a late. It's a late 70s model I am seeing three crashes on a ride The symbol brand I can't you know, there's really no history on that I can't see any labels on the symbols to me. It's kind of got that Zilsen shape. I mean, you know as a drummer sometimes you could pick out shapes of symbols Maybe that zilsen piste shape. Yeah, they're not really the brightness of piste, right? and I mean, I guess if it's what what year is this that we're talking here 81 So 81 is when they hook up and get together, you know, so that's right when Sabian would have like become a thing So probably not so I really can't tell 100% what kind of symbols From the pictures I can tell you he's using Yamaha hardware probably Yamaha 8000 that was that was a thing back then Yeah, so I'm pretty confident they're Yamaha's Well, I would just throw out there that I before looking through your folders had no idea that Lars played camco I think the history of camco is extremely cool And just just very interesting with the turret lugs and George way and I will whenever possible I like to refer to people Joe Joe Luoma did an episode about the history of camco, which people can check out And then I had Don Lombardy in who talked about the the the split with camco and buying the hardware So everyone can check that out, but I mean camco are awesome. They're so rare and valuable nowadays that Yeah, pretty cool. Do we know where that kid is? Well, that kid was stolen That's a little that imagine that somebody's got that kid nowadays Man, that's a kid to have terrible way to have it, but but yeah, we'll get into that a little later But when you look at that that first camco, that's a really really nice kit, especially for somebody starting off the six-ply maple Just a really nice kit if I had it nowadays, I'd be proud to have it. So oh man really nice work of art with the inlays and everything Was he playing a double pedal at that point? No, no information no history on that I believe that was single at the time. Okay, cuz I'm trying to think when the double pedal was invented and when it came out And was popularized, but Okay. Yeah, cool. He's gonna get into the double bass that that's coming But the first one, you know when you're kind of starting out, you know, it's it's hard to attain Something like that, you know, yeah a kit that size Yeah, yeah, so And he got good he got good fast apparently and it looks like there's tape on the bottom of the heads for some dampening Right, so the bottom of the heads appear to me to be RIMOs They appear to be RIMO ambassador clears from some pictures We can tell the top heads are the the controlled sound the clear with the black dot I could see that so I'm confident with that the batter side of the bass drum appears to be a RIMO pinstripe and The rezzo side appears to be just like your stock camco Head whatever came at the time looks like maybe a 15 inch hole 16 inch hole, you know microphone port cutout in it So that's what we got there Love it the sticks. I really can't tell what he's doing with the sticks You know, I'm gonna bring a stick into the into the picture here He always used, you know, maybe from ride the lightning on he always used a stick like this This he wrapped it in this green wrap here. This is Tennis wrap. This is tennis racket wrap and they make sense. They make them in a number of colors It's got you know, like your your generic athletic tape the white here tennis racket stuff so I Think that right from the beginning since he was a tennis guy. This is probably how he had his sticks, you know 5b Wrapped is called torna wrapped in that green torna tennis racket tape for grip Yeah, that's that's that's what I believe I don't know when that started, but you know, I'm pretty confident to say early because it's a tennis thing so yeah, and it makes sense and I've played those like zilgen sticks that had the dipped back where it was like a grippy thing But it always ripped off when I would play for whatever amount of time, but I bet that tennis stuff was on there for good I mean, that's that's Some sticky stuff and yeah, it sticks to itself if you don't get it on there, right now forget about it You got to cut it off and try again. Yeah, I really believe early on this is probably what he was using for his sticks And he would he would use this pretty much up until 95 He would you know, yeah, he would use this type of stick till 95 We'll get into that story down the road Is he using I'm looking at a black and white photo where it looks like it says it looks like you can see his stick And he's holding it up. It almost looks like there's a rototom or something up in the corner I should mention that for most of the kill-em-all tour and kill-em-all recording he used rototoms that would that was yeah Always did probably six eight and a ten that that's your you know your common rototom rototom sizes But that that was there for a while. That was there at least till that kit got stolen in January of 84 So yeah, we had we had three rototoms Man, I like rototoms. I think everyone likes there a little bit of the like kind of I don't know I don't think they get the respect that they deserve, but they're awesome Rototoms are not like, you know Sexy for heavy metal so I could see probably why he dropped him at that time, you know, yeah It wasn't you know, it wasn't the thing, you know back then it was power toms Nine-piece kits, so they're great, but that's probably why I dropped them. Yeah, I could be wrong But that's what I would say so Again to kind of put this in perspective of where we're at. This is his First real kit. I think most people don't don't qualify like they're they're technical first kit You kind of skip this is first real kit for yeah That's a hell of a real kit and he's getting set up and getting you know figured out his symbols are up pretty high That middle one is pretty high up there and that's another thing that symbols in the middle Yeah, he kind of he shied away from that Now they're off to the right and left but at that time it was right in the middle and the other one wasn't too far off So a different time different time and yeah, cuz the way your your feeder angled and this giant thing right where it's angled It tends to fall over. I would imagine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and the hardware, you know, wasn't it the Which I say it wasn't the heaviest back then, you know When Tom I got going in the 80s and I have some of here that hardware is just stronger than I anything I've ever seen then and now Yeah, so that's really nice stuff. That stuff's not falling over But the Yamaha 8000 nothing against, you know, Yamaha, you know, I've never played it or anything But it doesn't you know to me in that position look like the heaviest duty stuff that would Not fall over on you. No, and it's high like you said so you have that weight that That point of you know that tipping point and Sure and this is right in that point in time where the Ludwigs the slingerlands the Rogers are starting to kind of like Oh wait, the Japanese brands are starting to come in Which we'll see soon with like, you know, some of this is future drums, but All right, so that's kill them all 81 82 Where do we go from there? Well now 83 83 they make that move to San Francisco, you know to meet up with Cliff Yep Cliff had those certain requests that he wasn't going to join the band unless they moved to San Francisco And they were they were fine with that. They didn't like it in LA The scene what the scene wasn't as a you know powerful in LA so they went up there So I think I think there was like a two or three month break. We bring in another kick drum It's the same camco kit the same camco renaissance probably 79 he brings in another kick drum That is discussed in the I believe you know the 87 modern drummer There was an interview in there and he said, you know Delivering papers whatever he was doing. He managed to buy himself a second kick drum. So now he's got the two kick drums Nice. He painted everything black, which That's I was gonna say I'm looking at pictures. I'm like it's not the same kid But man, I feel like a lot of camco guys are going like he painted the kid I was just gonna say that he took that natural maple and he painted it I don't know if he sprayed it. I don't know what he's house paint Only he knows that but he painted that camco maple That that natural maple with the lacquer on it. He painted it. It's his kid. It's his kit, but you know what? It looks it looks great with the black. So yeah, it's cool Yeah, so he puts the second kick drum on the kick drums look to be to me about a 22 by 14 at this point The the front heads you could see are a custom head. It's got the Metallica logo on it So they're probably just probably a Remo ambassador ebony something, you know, you could put the logo right on So we still got the same amount of toms. They're black We have the one floor tom We're still using the Yamaha hardware from the pictures I Still at this point can't make out the symbols this kit Most likely is what kill em all was recorded on I'm pretty sure they had they had this he had this kit up until January of 84 and then everything was stolen Crazy we're still using the the Remo clear ambassadors on the bottom we could see tape for muffling We're still using the clear dots on the batters And like I said, I can't really make out the symbols I'm gonna assume the sticks are the same So really the only difference is he added the second kick drum at this time Which opens a lot of doors and that's metal and all that stuff and I just want to say again for people listening and not watching the tape pattern seems like it's it's He's doing it the same on pretty much every drum where it seems kind of purposeful where it's like It's almost like a sideways tee where he's got a almost let's say in the middle. He's got a line of tape but then about like, you know 20% in you know, or what three inches in on each drum. That's where the the second piece of tape is All right, so it kind of seems like he has that instead of it just being random Exactly. There's a pattern. He knows something he's been doing. I don't know if moon gels were out back then I mean moon gels are an awesome thing. Yeah, so I don't know what they had back then But that was probably some kind of muffling system Yeah, you know, you have some of the red and some of the black tape on those bottom heads. Yeah, and yeah, so this kit You could see this on Cliffham all you could see this I think it was at the stone Chicago 83 September 83 August 83. Let me uh, yeah It's August 83 You could see this at the stone in Chicago if you were interested in seeing it. That's that's that's the most popular video the The variation before that there's really no known videos that one. So now they're picking and they're getting they're getting more popular They're picking up steam. So now we're getting more pictures. We're getting more videos So you you can see that one on Cliffham all while he still had that so interesting Do we know what it looks like in the side view picture with the Marshall lamps and James is playing the flying V Kind of looks like he has a slinger lens snare. Do we know what kind of snare is using there or well from the first variation? I can see that is actually a camco renaissance. I see that in lay. Oh, that's snare. I do So I don't know if he changed it. He could okay, but I Know the first variation. He definitely had the matching snare on that kid. Okay, interesting I mean, but then if I look at another picture, you can see a snare behind them kind of on the back of the stage Where you're like, so there's more there's a couple snares going around here I mean, this is there's that he has so many variations of so many things so many drums You know, that's it's it's hard to tell you 100% this early on And if somebody knows exactly what that snare is, you know, you know, let me know bring it to light We could all learn from that. It's something that I don't know You know, just you know, correct me or something. I I don't know everything 100% But yeah, especially in the early years, we're getting the conversation started Yeah, to kind of bring info to it and everything and do we know Pedals or anything that he's using there or we can we assume it would be the you know Same ones as before. I'm gonna say this still still going with the Yamaha over the years, there's been information and You know, maybe it's not a hundred percent. I believe it to be factual. I could see those cymbal stands in the picture Comparing them with Yamaha 8000 that looks to me like Yamaha 8000 hardware I always heard the pedals were also Yamaha. So, you know, that that's what I'm gonna assume He's got back there. There is no really clear shots or clear information of what 100% he's used back there You know, sure. So I'm gonna assume Yamaha at this point Yeah, yeah, and I'm looking at the similar the same picture with the flying V in the side view really cool black and white and his Hi hat because you know, we all know when you have a double base kit You're already spread wide and your hi hats even further over. It's like his hi hat. It is way out there And again, he's not a giant guy with huge long legs. So it's like that things staying open Difficult to play for sure. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, and he had that for quite a while That goes all the way up to the mid 90s. He played like that. So if you can imagine that Yeah, I guess you get used to it kind of looks like you've been riding a horse for a while Yeah, that's stayed like that for a while. Okay, this is cool. All right, Chris anything else from this The kill-em-all kit that we want to touch on. Well, there's that now we now we're up to that point This is a really this is really important to the story. This kid is stolen. This kid is stolen along with some of the band's other gear I mean, I from the stories they brought the bass and the guitars inside but they were up in Boston and Whatever trailer or wherever they were storing it was broken into and the drums were stolen So somebody out there has got those drums today imagine that could you imagine that man and you know what you have I mean and it's pretty I don't know how many it's pretty identifiable as a Clearly a painted black camco kit. Yeah, like that's pretty Like there's there's you know pretty quick to tell. Yeah, what that is There's probably only one out there and that's his yeah, and that kid will probably never surface You know has Metallica heads on it Yeah You imagine having that yeah, so but that's like when you steal like You know the Mona Lisa or whatever and then there was some story of some janitor who stole it and hid it under his bed back And you know the night early whatever day 100 years ago. Yeah, like you can't show it to anyone You can't you're not gonna play this kid out. What's the it's in your music room? I mean well back then so they weren't popular back then so it's Some that guy could have even whoever took it could have even sold just like, you know, we don't know who these guys are yet so Maybe it's destroyed maybe it was who knows but if you somebody does have it like you were saying like having the Mona Lisa you You can't tell anybody. No, it's just they're watching this right now laughing to themselves maniacally exactly It's a sad. It's a sad thing, but it happened. So that happened in January 84 So he had to get a new kit. So he had to get a new kit. So okay There was in the same guitar center YouTube you could it was about 10 years ago if you're interested in pulling that interview up You can it's it's interview with Lars from Guitar Center on YouTube. He discusses having to borrow all kinds of kits They go to Europe. He'd borrow these kits. They'd fall over. There was some even There was some information that he was borrowing Charlie Bonante's kit from anthrax. That was a Slingerland kit There is a picture of that kit. Um, I don't have any specific information on that kit But there is a picture of that kit. There's also a really quick video on youtube Paris 84 He's up there. He's got a Slingerland kit. It's got two rack toms One floor tom two bass drums gotcha. That's uh Said to be Charlie Bonante's kit So the the gear gets stolen january of 84. They borrow You know what I just discussed they borrow from Charlie Bonante and everything. So music for nations. That's their european distribution label Uh music and nations helps lars. It gets a ludwig kit. It gets a restored ludwig kit. They help them out with that I I I don't know the any more details of how they helped them out with that But sure so they get in this ludwig kit to me It looks like an sl model a ludwig sl or sometimes referred to as ludwig rockers Uh, I'm not a real big ludwig guy. So, you know, just doing some of that research. That's what I found It looks like it when I look at the picture I see the badge is Kind of like silver and black and when you match that up, it looks like an sl kit to me So he gets this sl kit. It looks to be a Seven piece kit, you know, I get two kick drums three rack toms two floor toms and a snare It's all in black This was used on the ride the lightning tour It this kit can be seen on the back of the ride the lightning album and in the the album picture lars is actually playing this ludwig Looks like, you know, you got your 12 13 14 probably 16 18 on it, uh, probably 14 6 and a half snare Zilzian symbols are now seen on this kit I can see him in picture. So zilzian is in the picture. I don't know if he's endorsed yet I don't know about that, but they are in the picture at this point. Um, I'm a I'm assuming it's ludwig hardware um, we can see the heads you know, we could You can see the remo ambassadors Yep, we're probably looking at the ebony ambassadors the front, you know, he still got the metallica logo on there Yep, and the uh the controlled sound black dot heads um Same on the snare probably a clear black dot So he uses this for a while and This is uh, this is the kit right before tom and dorsal Back to my point when I was talking about tom and this and his first kit are really The only time lars is ever strayed from tom He you know, he had he had the camco, which was pretty much owned by tom at the time Yeah, that's interesting. Well, that's interesting right. I didn't think about that about I mean that's in really in the family because again, it's not like he played camco when it was like, you know Like credence clearwater revival where it was dug clifford playing where it's like an endorser of camco It was like later But I don't know what year his camcos were. I guess they were probably a 79. I'm thinking 77 late late model He described in the interview as a last of the model camco. So I'm gonna assume 79 Okay, interesting. But yeah, that that's a weird connection there. So really this Ludwig is the only Kind of kind of variation from that Yeah, and and if it wasn't stolen It would have been tom of his whole pretty much professional career. So that that was an interesting thing with lars What's interesting too is is those are not the most expensive drums in the world Like I had a rocker two Which was like the later version that had kind of the sprayed. I forget the the name of what they used It was like an interior coating that was like gray the solo coat probably a solo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that was I think these earlier ones didn't have it but I I bought a A uh SL kit once to flip I kind of did that a little in college where you'd buy a cheap kit sell it to a student or something And they were nice drums. I mean really they're not they're not the most expensive kit in the world But uh for what you got they were they were great drums and it's you know pretty cool lars was playing them Yeah, he was he was playing for a little bit. So, um I guess now we move on to ride the lightning. Um, yes. Yes now. We're really getting We're really getting they're getting into there. They're getting more popular. Yeah, they're getting more known There's more videos more pictures Meat and potatoes. We're getting right in the middle. Um, yeah. Yeah. So now we get with tom We get with like I said, uh q prime hooked him up with neil pier Talked to him about tomah tomah stepped in helped out And then they send him this tom imperial star Now the imperial stars, I think they were mahogany, but they were zola coated And they had the re-rings at them. So he gets this nine piece imperial star Um, it's chrome covered. It's chrome red. Yeah And I apologize for wrong. I think it's a six ply mahogany Zola coated with re-rings. They sent it to him. It's mirror chrome Now mirror chrome is custom I have never seen any mirror chrome imperial stars You know pop up not an orphan drum Not a full kit anything. So I believe that was a custom wrap for him at the time Um, can you describe the coating that you you mentioned because I know neil had the vibra or the the the name is escaping me now on the inside Where it would be fiberglass kind of sprayed on the inside of it. What is the coating you just mentioned? It's called zola coat What is that? It's it's like a paint. Um, and it hardens up and it and as it was described to me add strength Strength to the shell It affects the sound a little bit. They were they were doing that on that imperial star line I believe it was back then only the imperial stars that they were doing it on Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe it was only the imperial stars Haven't haven't really seen it since so They sent him this kit. It's mirror chrome. It's a nine piece um, we're using a King beat snare we're using atomic king beat snare chrome Uh, the sizes are 12 by 11 13 by 12 14 by 13 15 by 14 18 by 16 and a 20 by 18. This has always been an area for debate For years. I've heard this I'm pretty much 99 sure From the pictures we can see it is an 18 and a 20 inch floor tom Four ride the lightning and put the deed to my house on it. That's what's there That's what it is. So i'm confident in that so yeah, yeah, it was a big big floor tom. It is You know people would say well, it's two 18s. It's it's a 16 and it it will become two 18s But believe me when I tell you at this period 1984 that ride the lightning tour kit imperial star It's an 18 by 16 and a 20 by 18 floor tom That's what we got so okay And this is kind of a weird note But i'm only mentioning this because I did that uh an episode on the history of like bass drum art It looks more like a graphic now where in the past i'm sure it was probably someone who like painted on metallica But now we get kind of the metal like gradient with the sharpness Like the quality is just getting better clearly. They're getting bigger But that just kind of goes along with that bass drum art history where that technology evolved more at that time as well Right now the logo I actually Um, I had to get the logo done on a replica kit. I built so Let's talk about that logo for a minute. There's there's some ride the lightning blue in that logo It's through the middle and it's down where the a and the m kind of point There's some blue so somebody had to you know design that that's not something you're going to go to the hardware store And get some letters and stick on so you're absolutely right That was a graphic that was made so they're getting bigger That's what we got for front heads and it looks again that looks like ebony ambassadors to me Are we still I would imagine that he has fully switched everything over We know we know zildjans. Let's just talk symbols and um Hardware a little bit more because now we can clearly see the zildjian logos on everything But that doesn't mean he wasn't playing zildjian before because for a long time There was not the printed zildjian logos on everything Correct I refer everyone to the zildjian symbol collecting episode with uh, vincent ward about that one, but um So do we know like what his symbol set up and like you know the sizes of of of that were for this? Ride the lightning, you know early tomokit, right? So ride the lightning I don't know if he's endorsed, but he's definitely using zildjian We're using zildjian platinum's that's that's that's been out there. It's a zildjian platinum so um, it looks to me like he's using Uh on the on on his right, so it's probably a 19 18 17 and 16 crash they go down in that order He's got the four crashes on the one side He's using a 20 inch zildjian rock ride. He has a z series dino the z series dino beats He's always used them Really use them when they were the z series He uses them now as the a series the zildjian drop the z Custom line. I believe they dropped that in that 2009 So I always liked it. It was really thick and it was really heavy and I it was I mean I imagine he probably broke a fair amount because of that like Thickness, but the dino ones they have the big like the giant hammer marks. Yes. Yeah, they do And he's always used those Like I said, they were seasoned now they're a's so he's using the dino's everything else is a medium thin If you could believe that he was always using medium thin crashes It explodes. I mean they're thin too. So but yeah, he's always he's always used the medium medium thin crash So what did I I gave you so I gave you the 18 17 16 the four crashes. I'm sorry 19 18 17 16 the four crashes the ride. He has a Chinese 20 inch china China low on the on the right side China high on the left on the left. He's also got two crashes We probably got an 18 and 17 It was discussed in a later interview that sometimes if things were broken Uh, I believe it was modern drummer 87 if symbols were broken on tour Sometimes you'd carry a 16, you know sizes would change depending on you know, I guess what he had on And what was going on at the time? So they did change sure, but they were zillion platinums Crashes were medium thin You had your china high low 20 inch Right and left and the z series hi hats at the time All the stands at this time were tomatite and red labels model 60 6904 real heavy-duty weighted symbol stands Uh, the the top of the line that tomah offered back then even when you look at him today Just really beefy stands. Yeah so yeah, super cool and um This is just a little side note, but it looks like he likes to have his set list taped to his left I've noticed that on his previous kits too on on one of his roto tom stands It looked like he had it taped there and in one of the imperial star Kits it looks like he just he likes to tape it Over to his left, which you know, yeah, that's always that's always been a thing It's been a piece of paper with the set list He still does it to this day, but now it's like an iPad and it's all it's all digital So yeah, yeah, that's always been a thing always been there on the left Are the bottom heads am I mistaken or are they like open like semi bottom head with like Uh, with like a porthole on the bottom head basically So they've always uh, well not always but um back then ride the lightning master puppets. They always appear to be They're open concert. They're not concert toms. They're a double-sided toms, but he had the bottom heads cut They were always cut I assume and this is just me assuming that they were cut and so he could keep the bottom You know the bottom hoop for looks Oh, sure, you know me personally. I I don't like to look at concert toms Maybe that's what he was thinking back then because it's a thing. I don't You know, everyone has different taste, but it's definitely like a generational thing, right? It's a little bit more 70s to be having Concert toms and a little less heavy metal, right, right? So they were they were cut. I assume like everything else. They were rimo ambassadors clear ambassadors That's what he was always using. They're cut Probably on the floor toms as well um, the heads the heads They varied around this this time the mid 80s on this kit this chrome imperial star They're all pinstripes including the floor toms they You know, they did change in a later time, but we're using the pinstripes at this time 12 13 14 15 16 18 r pinstripes the bass drum batter heads are also pinstripes Sometimes we could see some tape where the beaters strike Sometimes it's not there, but that's that's what we're using for heads. Uh, this snare At this time is clear Controlled sound, you know with the with the reverse black dot and it looks like underneath these using the ambassador You know the snare head the thin snare head a clear one. So that's what we're looking at with heads Sure. So now while we're on heads, I mean and and I really don't know the answer to this Is Lars considered like a really heavy hitter is he a you know soft hitter does he and on that note Does he like to change his heads every single night? Does he let him ride for a while? You know ride the lightning fun? Or what's the what's that? You know starting with is he a heavy hitter? So from the interviews I read. Yeah, he was he was a very heavy hitter He is a very small guy, but he It was known and it was said that he was a heavy hitter. He would always, uh, you know break sticks and I I do remember hearing that the heads weren't changed every show, but quite frequently Um, okay, you know, it would depend on the condition of that particular show You know what the tech was going to do at the time. I think it was a Fleming Larsen back then was the tech Uh, if if he changed them every show or not, so Interesting. Why not? I mean you're I mean at this point it's fair to say in the world of metal I mean he is one of the biggest drummers in the world. Yeah So They want to sound good and and not have any issues. I guess it's more of a safety precaution too if not Breaking ahead on stage right and again, you know, I know Remo endorses them But that's something that I can never really find out. It's not really out there. When did Remo start endorsing him? You know that same with zillian. When did they start? So I don't know if he's endorsed By Remo at this point. I'm assuming But I don't know for a fact and that and that would also, you know, play a big role too If they're just sending you a bunch of heads Change them You know, yeah, you know, I was watching a video of someone, uh, I forget I should know his name But there's a youtube video of you know, the the drummer luke holland who's an incredible metal drummer of his tech who was like setting up his kit Yeah, I saw that video. Yeah, and it was watching it. Yeah Yeah, I was watching too was a bin of like clear heads and he was like checking if it was level But it's very different for me to go to guitar center and spend Like to change all the heads on on a large kit would be top and bottom would be like 400 Yeah, four or 500 bucks. Yeah, I will change them Like every four years, right exactly Yeah, I've I've got bottom heads that I haven't changed 20 years Yes, I have front bass drum heads that are 20 years old But I am nobody so that that doesn't matter But but you know, I imagine if if he's endorsed by Remo at this time quite frequently But he was a very hard hitter and it was always said that he spit a lot, believe it or not And he would always rust up the hardware Yeah, yeah, that was that was in the interview too. He was he was a you could still see today They're all they they spit everywhere. So yeah, well, there's like the drink water and they spit it out. Yeah, but whoa So it's rusting the hardware. It was the interview said yeah, it's starting to rust the chrome on the hardware I imagine so It makes I mean that's that's science. Yeah, you should get water all over your drums So yeah, he was he was a heavy hitter back then. Okay. All right. Well, that's good to know. So All right imperial stars. He's he's with tama. He's loving it zilgen. It's all cool Where do we go from that? Okay, so This imperial star you can see this one of the most popular gigs they did is the day on the green in 85 Day on the green 85 is you see it kind of from one angle, but that that's the imperial stars we're speaking of Um, so if you're interested in seeing those Day on the green is where to see him so After day on the green that's what is that that's end of august 84. Yeah, so now They go into master of puppets. They go to record that so We really don't see the imperial star so much they they head over to do the recording Now we get the superstars. They come into the picture So it was said that tama sent out two kits. We have a a european superstar And we have an american uh, the american kit really didn't come into the picture Till they started touring on master of puppets in i think it was march 86 So we'll discuss the european variation the layout is the same the symbols are the same We bring in, uh, it's called cherry wine cherry wine red tama superstars Nine piece birch you've got your 12 13 14 15 18 20 that hasn't changed Okay, um kick drums. I'm sorry. I didn't mention that prior all the the imperial star All the way up till through the 90s. We're using a 24 by 16. That was the imperial star That's that's going to be the superstar. Sorry about that. It's a 24. Yeah. Yeah, so those are the same These red cherry wines were used probably because of shipping. They were used mainly in europe Now after the day on the green We see uh hammerfest in germany I think that was in september 85. We see these we see these drums these cherry wine. They show up He's using them in the video. Um, there's there's a lot of pictures of these So, yeah The these are used I believe I want to say these were Used to record master puppets as pictures of them in the studio for the master puppet session Um the symbol arrangement's different But we're using the same hardware tomatite and you know, you got your 6904 boom stands Your hi hat. Yeah, I'd like to give you some some model numbers here So we're using the tomatite and hi hat 69 85. It's hi hat stand Uh, we're using a right side. They call it an x hat arm Uh, it's just like an auxiliary thing. Uh, I believe that's an 895 Toma x 895 snare stand is your 6892 So the hardware really hasn't changed much From the uh, the ride the lightning imperial star kit. So they're still using the same hardware The symbols are still the platinums. We're still using zillian platinums The heads are still he's still using pinstripes for the batter Uh, he's still cutting the bottom Uh, probably uh, rimo ambassadors the sticks like I said now we can see the sticks So I'm gonna bring this back. Uh, they are Regal regal tip. He had his own model at that time the larzol rick model. This is this is pretty much This same model just not his it's not, you know stamped metallica, but this is a regal tip 5b Yeah with the tennis wrap that I described earlier So now we can see that he's using those exclusively Which regal tip, uh, I don't actually know if they're still in business. I talked with them Like three years ago I had to do an episode and I think that was right as things were Kind of going down, which is a shame because I would love to do a history on them and I hope to someday but Uh, it's interesting. That's one thing camco and regal tip. I was sort of like, oh, I didn't really realize larz was using that those brands because you don't think of like metal drummers, so he's You know, it's interesting. So yeah, so regal tip is not around anymore Um, trying to get a set of 5b's is impossible. You have to just You know, you have to search ebay and just whatever you could find used That's what it is. So regal tip's not around anymore But that that's what he was using for sticks. They're still wrapped and uh, I believe that's that tennis wrap You know, there's another way to do it. I think I read in the interview. There was something called Uh Stick handler there's a company that also makes this green kind of wrap It's the same consistency You could you could confuse the two but now that he's getting more popular Is he using the stick handler stuff or are we still using the the green tennis wrap? So that that yeah That that I don't know. Yeah. Is the stick handler for drumsticks or is it for Like sporting equipment now the stick handler is made for the drumsticks. Okay. Well, it's interesting. It's the same color Yeah Yeah, that's that's why I say there's two ways to do it. So yeah, I don't know when he switched over But there was I I did read an interview that he did use the stick handler grip tape When he was still using the regal tip. So when he switched over, uh, you know, I that I really don't know So I will note too that as I'm looking through this it looks like his this is this is again We're like deep into Nurtury here, but I will say it looks like his uh, his tape Situation changed as far as dampening looks like he's got like a little strip on the top But you notice in some pictures that he does have that kind of like kind of flagged Dump tape. Yeah, whatever duct tape where it's like small And then you put like a little flag and some of them are actually kind of intricate Yeah, wavy patterns. It looks like gaff tape or something like that thing. Yeah All right, that's pretty cool. So that's europe beautiful drums I got a note as well though because I did a whole power tom episode We're talking power toms. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he's he's a power tom. He's he's a poster boy of power toms I mean, uh, that last that last, uh, rack tom on the top is 15 by 14 Can you can you imagine trying to be the tom holder to hold that up? No, that is dressing the whole time and it's a six ply birch It is from from actually holding and I can tell you very very heavy drum So yeah, and the logistics this was brought up in the the power tom episode with kyle schneider that we talked about how like The logistics of that drum is giant on top of a 24 inch bass drum Everything is so much higher. Yeah, and these mounts and the the tom mounts weren't the best where that you have to like I don't know. You don't have as much logistics, which means then your throne has to come up and again lars is not He's not a big guy. Not a tall guy again So he and you don't want the floor. They're your giant floor tom rubbing on your bass drum the whole time It's a logistical kind of nightmare as there are some pictures out there where you see the rash on the right side kick drum From that big time. Yeah. No, we're talking 15 14. I just want to say as the years go on We get even bigger We got we got a 16 by 15 coming up You know, we're talking 15 by 14. That's 16 by 15 Man, we'll just let that till we get there. That's that's massive. But yeah I should mention the tom holders are the the omni locks. They're the really good The really good tom holders You know, I have a 15 by 14 on that same setup and I don't have any problem with it, but yes, you're right It brings everything up Um, you got to angle it weird. You can't play with it as straight, you know So now you have to and that's why his to everybody said well wires toms always angled like that He really had no choice You couldn't there's no other way there's no way to put them straight up like now you see uh Metal drummers death metal drummers, particularly they have them, you know straight lined up straight No, no angle. He couldn't he couldn't back then. Uh, that's just the way it was power toms were the thing And unfortunately the bigger they are you have to you have to angle them. So that's that's what's going on We're there at least I believe anyway, so yeah, if you're gonna be awesome and use giant power toms. There's some sacrifices There are some sacrifices Definitely, so that's europe, right? So that's europe two two kits made two kits mama For the master puppets one used in the studio One used for the american leg of the tour As we get deeper into 87 though, you know, I kind of see the the cherry wine superstar fade out I don't see it as much so You know, maybe back then it was easier on shipping cost or whatever it was But it kind of it kind of faded out by um march of march of 86. It's faded out. So now we're using The uh, it's thomas. We're still thomas superstore now. It's a mirror chrome Like I said with the imperial start This wasn't this wasn't a tama offered color option They were wrapped. They were probably specifically done for him at the time The sizes are pretty much the same now. Here's where the floor toms change. I mentioned that earlier that that was always There was a lot of debate with that the floor toms have changed now and they changed This change is going to stay pretty much to the mid 90s Now we're using two 18 by 16 floor toms Same tuning same heads. We've got the remote pinstripe on the top And we've got the uh, the clear ambassadors On the bottom Now on that american kit The floor toms always had the pinstripe, but the rack toms had the uh, controlled sound clear dot I don't know why that was done, but that varies from the european kit the european kit You know and the imperial start kit were all pinstripes So now he's using controlled set a controlled sound clear dots on the rack toms and the pinstripes For the floor toms and and the snare also changed We're using a coated A controlled sound uh reverse dot now it's a coated one instead of a clear so that changed Hardware is pretty much all the same Sticks are all the same the interesting thing with that chrome kit is it has cherry wine hoops Which looks awesome right beautiful right so we've got the cherry wine hoops the heads are taken off the imperial star They're put on that kit we could tell that cherry wine hoops. They look great You know they they match kind of the the red and the master puppets theme kick drums. We're still using 24 by 16 But now we see a tama logo Show up on this kit. So before it was just metallica was the logo. You didn't see tama anywhere So now we're starting to see the tama logo come into play on these kick drums Which is the best kind of promotion and uh it You know, I again i'm connecting my two dots of doing my my neil my neil series with um Paul wells and and then doing this with you Neal never had tama on his bass drum heads ever so i wonder if they were like Please just put your logo on the head right right give us a break And I mean they're getting real popular now And I mean that that's that's one of the best things tom ever did with sign him So could you imagine if it was different could you imagine if he played pearl? In an alternate in an alternate universe? Yeah, it's weird to think about that they're like meant to be right You can't think of it any other any any differently, but like I said, he's always been tama So now the tama is starting to show up in the kick drums and it does from this point You know till today it's on the kick drum. So that's that's another change That I should discuss there. We still got all the same hardware Symbols are still the same. I don't see any changes or any variations in those But we are using a chrome wrapped Uh, it's a six ply superstar at this point Which again like you said was a custom job custom job Uh still to this day. I've never seen a mirror chrome superstar kid. I've never seen an orphan drum any ads anything mentioned on it Well, you've built. I mean so this one I guess would kind of be Dare I say impossible to build is like a tribute kit because They're they don't exist. There's only they don't exist You have to take a superstar and you have to wrap it Because at the time that was only done for him unless somebody knows something else But I'm just telling what I've never seen it in all my years. I've never seen a chrome superstar We've we've seen cherry wine superstars. That was a color they offered But never a chrome at least that I've seen Yeah, and so so he's got that x hat totally jumping around here So he's got that x hat set up over on his right, which again I think makes sense with the Logistics of having this giant wide drum set. Does he typically keep that like clamped down? Or is that at a like medium open kind of ten or do we know? You know, that's hard to say. I I don't know for sure I would imagine it being open a little bit just by you know the sound of metallica You know, you never you never really hear a tight You know, no, but it's probably got a little bit more to it because his his one over here could be totally loose and then he doesn't have to mess with his foot and this like Completely spread apart. Yeah legs. That's a man. You know, well when you hear you usually hear it on the faster songs like battery and uh Damage incorporated. So it's probably right in the middle there just a little with a little with a little gap in there So yeah snares anything different that we know about snare. We're still using a mass a steel a crow mastercraft 14 by six and a half common. We're still using that No change there same thing on the european kit the imperial star kit still using the same snare Is lar is a gear guy, you know what I mean? Is he a big drum like tech, you know, nerd kind of guy or I don't did he leave it to someone else? I think he would leave it left it to somebody else because like I was saying earlier It's so hard to find stuff, you know, if he was I believe if he was a gear nerd It would it would be out there a lot more. It's it's so difficult to find, you know, 100% what it was There's always going to be stories and interviews here, but they really don't get too deep in it They don't they don't you know deep dive in it per se as we're doing today. So yeah, you know, I would say I would say no Well, which which it's been said before but like ring goes not you don't need you don't need to be no I mean, but like it doesn't change it But like if if guys or girls are you're right where you typically do know because They're on the forums and they're on the threads and they they have interviews going because they like to talk about it Just like we're doing right now They're doing the clinics and they're doing the workshops and and but he was always said that you know He was he was always the guy that wanted to play with the band He didn't like going home and practicing every single day and and you know doing all these lessons He has had lessons But you know, he's not really Huge deep into it. So I mean everybody's different, but yeah, that's a good answer But I when you play all the time and you're in these bands. I've heard many people I think George Harrison said once that like when they weren't playing with the beat Like he said he didn't touch his guitar for a year or something like that like whatever It's it's your job. So all right, Chris. Where do we go from there, man? This is so all right So let me let me remind you I should bring up something in the studio and master of puppets There was a little bit black beauty. That's what he recorded with lightning and master of puppets. That was uh, it was rick allen from Yeah, rick allen from death leopard He would he would borrow that and he never brought on the road But it was always known that that's what he used in the studio to record with so You know, tom might not like this, but I'm gonna tell you that master puppets that was That's a little that's a little bit black beauty Well, that's a that's like a holy grail kind of snare I mean that's everyone, you know and once you're in the studio I feel like all bets are off Which I I will mention you said to me before we started that we're primarily talking about minus that bit of info We're talking really mainly about the live kits. Yeah, we're talking about the live kits There's so much variation in the studio. I mean sabian gretch all kinds of stuff. He's used. Um, there's different colors I mean you watching like if you've seen some kind of monster There's just like three or four different colored drum kits whole different brands. So for time's sake You know, we're maybe we do that another time now. Let's talk about the tour kits because that in itself is there's a lot So yeah, all right. Well, where do we go from there? So where are we now 85 master puppets? We're talking about the chrome kit. So we did the hardware the heads sticks. Everything's the same. So Uh, you know, we know, you know, we know cliff past Yeah after uh after the sweden show So now there's now there's a pause and we know jason came on So there's a little lull in the touring but As far as the gear is concerned the next Variation is and it's in japan japan 86 Now he's got a white art star You know white art star one Probably it's always been said for shipping reasons, you know You know, I don't know what it costs or what it takes to ship A kit that size over there, but it's always been said for shipping overseas. There's been variations. So now japan 86 We see a white art star It's got the full one piece lugs and that's yeah, that's interesting because he's never Really been a one piece lug kind of guy, you know, we know that from the coming up, you know black album kit We'll talk about later. He's always been a split single lug. So we see the one piece. We know it's a white art star Uh, I believe it's piano white. I could be wrong But this was offered by tama. So you could get this color if you wanted to so Um, still the same tom mounts still the same sizes Symbols are the same So it was really used for that one show Uh, the heads are the clear dot controlled sound. I could see those on there The bottoms are still we're still using ambassador remo ambassador clears And it looks to be like they're the full he's got the full head on on the bottom now So things are changing uh same snare He's in the chrome king beat. I believe Um, and that was only for one show. There's no real other history on this kit. I don't see it popping up anywhere Yeah, let me just clarify a little bit. So you said this was like, I mean, I think japan I think tama so was this kit in japan? Like did he or was it wasn't shipped there or it was shipped there? I I imagine they would probably be like, hey, we got a kit for you in japan. We'll bring it here. Um, yeah but you know, I have talked before with his current tech jimmy And everything he has he retains, you know, I mean there's there there's situations he gives it away I mean, I think he gave a drum set to the drummer from kid rock But everything's up there in headquarters So I imagine he still got that kit Okay, maybe it was returned to tama. I can't really give you an answer but That that makes sense. You're going to japan. Tom is in japan We'll provide you this kit. So there's there's a quick video on it real quick. They're doing um They're doing a sound check You could see it's a real quick snippet. You could see that kit up there So it's definitely it's a white art art star same sizes I believe I want to say the art stars were Still birch at this time You know, I'm not sure on that, you know, I've I've never really dug into art stars too much, but Or at least a art star one the art star two I have more knowledge on But the art star ones, you know, if it's not maple, it's going to be your six seven play birch At this time. So that's japan 86. Um, all right pedals. I I haven't really mentioned pedals You know, I didn't bring it up with the the chrome imperial stars And um, so the pedals Throughout this period are gonna be your tomah king beat 60 uh 67 55 She's using tomah king beats. These are the pedals pretty much for this period Uh, it stays this way. I mean, he does change in the justice years But right now we're using king beats. So I should mention that I didn't really just get into that too much with the Lightning and and uh, yeah cherry wine kit. But yeah, they're king beats So have you played I mean, I've never played those. Are they nice pedals? I believe I've never played king beats. Um, I will tell you a little story I With the three kits that I've done I had The period correct hardware But when you come off of something like your new tomah iron cober iron cober sorry 900s with the cobra spring it is so hard To go back. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's just so difficult So I I had them they were used to it. You're only you're only used to what you have but once you try like Iron cobers are awesome. Your speed cobers. It's so hard to go back. So I really don't know too much about those king beats Honestly, I've never had them. I have had other hardware, but never the king beats So the playability is a little different. Definitely. Yeah All right, so moving on from there. What we're at about 87 now. We're about 87 So the next thing chronologically is garage days garage days revisited This was something to get, you know, kind of like tune jason up. He was new in the band They didn't go right into injustice for all at this time. So they did garage days So there were some ads that popped up in your modern drummer He's seen with a white grand star. We can tell it's a custom So grand star had these kind of like single lugs. This is a grand star lug Um and the more expensive like your custom models came with a rubber gasket Little cheaper models. They didn't have the rubber gasket. So in this picture, I could see the rubber gasket So I could tell you it's a it's a grand star custom It was white. It was said to be That that's what he was going to use going forward for justice As we know it it didn't work out that way. He went with something different It was that kit, but it was painted differently. So very cool. I like the lay I mean, it's cool just to see these old ads too and like the you know, he's got a beer And he's hanging out over the front Just kind of cool So in that in that ad it's um, I believe it lists some stuff underneath for like a rock star So like, you know, we're like yeah, we're not expecting you to go for the grand star But if you want to kind of mimic him with the rock star So I think the sizes are listed too But we're still the same sizes in that ad, you know 12 13 14 15 2 18's 14 inch snare So they're kind of mimicking that ad. So that that is a pretty cool ad It is cool any split back back to normal, you know separate Looks like the rock star has the single connected lug where his does not he was always partial to the single lug Yeah, I am too. I think I mean, I think it's a Vibe. Yeah, it looked different on stage, but Yeah, but they're they're they're all it's chrome at this point I should mention that in that ad these single split grand star lugs are chrome Everything up to this point has been chrome for the shell hardware now. We're about to change with that But it's chrome single at this point on the grand stars. So we're getting to 88 87 they're recording injustice for all the chrome superstars Are used for injustice for all the kick drums at least anyway for the pictures we have He always liked the sound of the kick drums It was said and he used them on the injustice for all recording I don't want to get too much in the studio like I said before but but it is important slippery slope. Yeah For that album, you have the two chrome covered superstar kick drums and the rack toms and the snare Why I don't particularly know what the snare is but the rack toms. You can definitely see our grand star So so that's what we're using to record On justice for all now and justice for all comes out and like I was saying earlier everybody It was he was supposed to be using that white kid or or they were hinting that that was going to be the next Kid, but he's he's still using the grand star customs But now we have a custom paint job Again tom didn't offer this they offered something called gunmetal gray, which varied differently I mean you can see it behind me. This is a this is a lighter kind of uh, I've heard gun smoke blue mentioned before Yeah, it's custom. It's a custom paint job for him A lot of things have been custom so far And and now as you can see we get into the black hardware The shell hardware is black. This wasn't done too much back then I mean I believe the drummer from ozzy had some black hardware, but now we have a grand star custom and Obviously we have customized black hardware. It was said they were powder coated most likely So the sizes are still the same you get your 12 by 13 13 14 14 by 13 14 by 15. We're still using the 2 18s again. Like I said, that's always been up for debate We're still using 2 18s 2 24s. We got this custom color. We've got the new omni mount mth 50 Tom mounts. Let me uh, bring one into the picture Sure, we have so this is the new this is what tomah went with, you know, we've got the hex bottom here I don't know if you could see that. Yeah, it's It's a quirky mount, but it's very very adjustable So we that's that's something new now. We see metallica's off the front of the heads We're just oh, yeah, we're just tomah. We're just tomah now We are a rimo ambassador. I mean prior. It was a rimo ebony pinstripe But now we're rimo ambassador. There's no metallica logo. It's all tomah but like I mean earlier and a lot of times those the the bass drumhead is used because like Who's here's who we are at that point? They know who you exactly. We're bigger now. Yeah There's a banner. There's like a you know gigantic stage setup. Yeah So, yeah, they're going on their own stadium tour across the country. They're known So we don't need the metallica on there. So now it's all tomah. We're using an artwood snare for injustice for all Tour, you know, they started in the summer of 88. They started monsters of rock stadium tour He was using a chrome. I think it was a chrome king bee I'm sure comments correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe it was a chrome king beat Oh, they will Chrome king bee on the stadium tour when they came into the, uh, you know, the coliseums and your convention centers Now he's using a an eight inch deep by 14 snare Now this kit is pretty synonymous with i'm sure you've seen it seattle 89 That is a great show And we could see in that show at least, you know, at least I picked it up. There are he's he's using two different snares We're using they're the same size the same model, but There's a black one and there's a white one Probably nobody's ever seen it unless you're really, uh, you know a gear nerd like myself a metallica drum nerd When they edit that video the same song We could see a black snare drum We could see a white snare drum. That's interesting. Yeah, they're not. What's the story with that? They're not switching it that fast Yeah, just it's just filming two different nights two different nights. It's edited So that's how we know there's there's two snares on that so on on that particular Coliseum tour Both birch artwoods Um, I believe I have a model number for you aw 20 Art artwood birch. So you got it. There's two of those Um all pinstripes All pinstripes on the toms. Yep. Do we have bottom heads or on on the monsters of rock stadium tour? We don't have bottom head. That's a god. I'm glad you brought that up I almost overlooked that the the inside of these shells on the stadium tour are painted black The floor toms are natural I could see why you know, you've got this beautiful gray kit. You've got black hardware. Do you want a natural? Shells showing yeah attention to detail and I'm I'm assuming because it's a stadium There's it's a lot different sound the stadium tour. There are no heads We go back into the Coliseum now. We have heads. We have a Remo ebony ambassadors on the bottom Everything's headed up again, but it's still you know, you've got the black shells It's the same shells from You know the stadium tour, but now we've got heads on it the snare. We still got our coated Remo controlled sound Reverse dot on there Hardware is pretty much still the same the model numbers, you know, they change slightly The hi-hats change. There's a new design a new titan design Our drum pedals are pro beat 67 45s. He's moved up from the king beats or he's moved on from the king beats Whatever you want to say. So we're so we're using the pro beats now Still have the same auxiliary hi-hat on the right There's no more ride. There's no more ride symbol Really, there's no more. So this tour he's taken the ride symbol off He's he had it all the way up through master puppets This tour no more ride symbol That's uh, yeah, I've never noticed that there's a lack of ride with Metallica, I mean, what's the story behind not having a ride? Well, I heard you know, now he has the china The current day he's using the china as a ride. I always heard that he you know, he didn't like to feel of it Or he thought it was okay. I thought it was boring So so common justice for all touring the stadium tour the monsters of rock the ride is missing It'll be missing for a while till about 96 Also, the symbols are the uh the aziles in line the medium crashes We we lost one of the china's we lost the left side china And he's just using the right side china now. I believe that that's a 20 inch oriental, you know china We still got the right side hats. We lost a crash symbol from the right side. It was four We're down to three in order Three on the right two on the left two on the left high hats on each side China large china on his right, which not a crazy amount of symbols. It's a lot of symbols The but the middle's open the middle's open didn't used to be the right From when he when he started when he was younger the middle's open It could be another thing it could be like, hey, I want everybody to see me or you know now We're putting on a show whatever it is. I won't speculate on that but now it's all on the side It's all on the right side. It's been that for a right and left side It's been that way for a while. So we did lose about three symbols We're still using the z dino beats. We still have that z line at the time Um, I should mention there's always been some bass drum anchors On the front of the kick drums to hold them in place They've always been here Since the imperial starly rewind a little the rather lightening error. He used those. They're still here. We have those And those would be like kind of like gene krupa and those guys use just little like claws that would stop it from That's it in gene forward two little claw to two points. They uh, they tighten right to the hoop of the bass drum And prevents them from moving this kid. I got to say is awesome And just so we're all on the same page here. This is what's behind you This is the kit you recreated that you're sitting in front of right now. Yeah, I did three of them This is the uh pretty much they call it the damage the damage justice toolkit This is this is the damage toolkit behind me pretty pretty much. I tried to keep it 99 percent Uh, exact, uh, you know, I like minor symbols. That's me Price and they drop the z line. I like minor symbols. So that's different. But this this is it. This is a great example of it Yeah, um, beautiful. It's that beautiful color You know I could see like if you could see some of the chrome when we when we look at that, you know, we let me bring this back into the picture You see how this is black. This was just a prototype on this kid It was chrome and that's something like if you're you know, you're really a gear nerd that you would notice from pictures You know, this is chrome. Why didn't he paint this probably because you adjust it there? And it does it'll sand the paint off. So that that's what I think Happened there. Why are these few pieces chrome and everything else is black? Um, it is important to note that the symbol stands are all still chrome at this point snare stand is still chrome Hi-hat stand that did change in the future But for this tour You know the hardware is chrome at this point and it looks like we have a Danish flag and a monkey on the front Yeah, let me let me bring that in too. Just uh for ha ha's, you know, this is That is identical talk. It is identical talk about a gear nerd. But anyway, wow So that is the actual monkey and to find something like there's there's no information on that I I don't really I It took me years just I have a picture, you know, I have this picture and I have to look on ebay and Check out. Yeah, you know all these uh facebook groups for stuffed animals and toys I mean, he probably just grabbed it at a little like junk shop or souvenir shop and just and just threw it on there So, but you know when I try to replicate something I I I want to do it, you know, as best I can So, you know, if you're into gear, I'll I'll tell you that's a that's a wallace and berry uh The toy company's wallace and berry and it's a seven inch orangutan and it came It came as a two piece with a larger one And you know That's awesome. But that is about as that's you're you're doing it for real. Yeah, so Hopefully that helps you so But yeah, there's a there's a danish flag on it. So I don't know the particular size you use but obviously we know there's a danish flag and Yep, so You know, this is this is injustice for this is a beautiful kit beautiful kit Awesome chris. Well, I guess so as we've just kind of taken a little pause and discussed I think now is a good time To break for a part two to be done later because we're getting into it's the end of the 80s Uh, which is a big, you know, it's a kind of an iconic change everything music changed everything kind of changed there A lot of cool kits coming up Um, really quick just a brief rundown Why don't you tell people kind of a bullet point list of what we can expect in part two Uh, just of what we have coming up without getting into the details Yeah, oh well the 90s we've got the the real popular the black and white kit from the black album We have a retail kit to discuss And then we have the major change where lar's pretty much removes two toms And makes the kit smaller, you know for the mid 90s and up until today That's that's what's coming up. So there's there's quite a few changes Yeah, which I think we can probably get this done in in in two in two episodes because I think we the next time We can probably cram it all in there and then maybe we do a studio one down the road or something, but we'll see and uh Um, before we wrap up chris, you've done these amazing kits Do you want to like promote where people can see them or are you making them mainly for just for yourself? Or you want to tell people to find you on social media or anything like that? I'd love I'd love for people to see that I'd love to discuss them You know if you have any questions and I can help you build a replica kit That's that's what I love doing just discussing it like I'm doing with you today This is kind of like this is just what I don't know why but this is just what I do So if you want to reach me I pretty much all I have is the instagram and um, I'm chris r z 28 on instagram I have some videos Pictures, you know, I I'd love to get some kind of cover videos going but you know, I'm kind of tech technologically That's a whole thing. That's a whole thing. I don't know how to do so if you want to find me Check out the instagram and shoot me a message. We'll talk. We'll talk about anything you want to talk and help you out Anyway, I can Cool, that's what it's all about and that's what I love about this is uh, I'm glad I you know Through billy herrington that I he connected me with you because I don't know man sometimes like it's It's hard to find the right person and you don't want to ask The wrong person who comes on and doesn't really know a lot of info and yes There's I'm sure little tiny details that we'll figure out along the way and here and there and and that's why I love the comments Again, if people have things that they want to talk about comment on the episode and all that stuff And I'm sure chris will love to uh, absolutely will all learn and all this stuff If I miss something, let me know I'm not which you're doing a great job I will say this right now on behalf of everyone This is a lot to sit there and rattle off years and years of drum sets and stuff And who knows maybe lars will see this someday and then nerd out about his own kits and stuff So imagine that right? Yeah, pretty cool. Well, uh on that note, uh, chris. Thank you for being here my friend We will we will have a part two soon And we'll book it and get it scheduled and everything and I'm looking forward to having you back Absolutely, thank you to everyone for watching and all that stuff. So thanks for having me