 The next question is from Fit Trucker Lady. How would kettlebell swings be put into a program? Is it like cardio strength or conditioning? It can be all of them. Yeah, all the above. Yeah, if you're doing kettlebell swings for a long time with lightweight, well now you're doing more conditioning cardio. If you do heavy and explosively, you're more strength and power. I like to do, because it's a relatively ballistic movement, like a kettlebell swing is not like most resistance training movements where you're controlling the descent. In fact, if you've ever seen a bodybuilder try to do a kettlebell swing, they do it wrong because everything they're used to doing is controlled, so they do this weird forward shoulder raise with the kettlebell. It's definitely different. I like to put it personally at the beginning of the workout. I'd like to warm up, get everything good and loose, start my workout with that, and then move to my traditional resistance training exercises. I don't necessarily like to do it at the end because I'm already fatigued at the end and personally I do it more for explosive power, which if I'm at the end, I'm already fatigued. I don't feel like I'm gonna get much of that at the end of the workout. That's my favorite usage of it, and I think hard style is one that resonates with me more because it's very much more of that controlled hip power, hip drive. And that's really what, a lot of the benefit that I've acquired from that in terms of like athleticism, explosive movement, you're gonna generate that all from that hip hinging, you know, that driving, you know, hip power. So kettlebells are like one of the best tools for that. So I like to program it in where I do heavy kettlebell swings for less reps. And I'm just very much controlled and it's about just like getting the weight to pendulum where you have maximal control and then you're driving it with all your force at once when you need to. So it's a timing thing and it's also a fast, loose approach. So I've had the most benefit with clients that are trying to prime the butt before squats. So squatting or deadlifting. So if I'm about to do a hip hinge movement, priming beforehand, and that looks like a five to 10 rep heavier and you're just trying to get them to be able to explode those hips forward. And I find it is a good way to help somebody who has a hard time feeling like squats or deads in their glutes. That's a great exercise. Although I didn't program it a lot. Those were the clients that I used it, but you could do any of the ones that she's suggesting. I mean, none of them are wrong. I just think it's where you, what you're trying to accomplish matters the most, right? So if you're trying to burn a bunch of calories and you wanna get a good sweat on, then let's grab a light one and let's do it for five or 10 minutes. And there's nothing wrong with doing that if that's what you wanna do. If you want to really work on your explosiveness from coming out of the whole of a squat, then I'm gonna pick a much heavier weight and I'm only gonna do it probably five to 10 times on each side, something like that. So that's how I would use it when I'd use it for clients. Yeah, when I used to program them, if I did a full body workout, I would start the full body workout with kettlebell swings after I was primed and warmed up. If I did any kind of a split and really the only kinds of split that I've ever really done in the more recent, time has been more of an upper lower split. If I'm in a deadlift, I like to do it before I deadlift. Otherwise it's usually on a lower body day before squats or before lunges. Not really before back day, unless again, I'm deadlifting. But if I'm doing just rows and pull-ups and stuff like that, then I'll leave it for the leg day. Hey, if you enjoyed that clip, you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe.