 All right, I will call the minute to order it is 7 o'clock and usual first thing on the agenda is are the minutes of May 1st 2018. Is there a motion to approve? Move to approve subject to modification for a second Page one Page three So I have a small thing on page three under keeping of chickens. Yep Just it's just in the wording and this is the way I word it. It says Staff will find out if South Burlington has any issues with their ordinance and I would make that Staff will find out of South Burlington has any issues as a result of implementing a similar ordinance just because it's not really an issue with the ordinance is whether They're seeing a lot of issues Make sense And also on page three page four I just had one change under the motion on executive session at the end We did have a friendly amendment to put in that Matt Belanger would be attending the meeting as well In the motion And also on page four if not all those in favor of approving the minutes of May 1st say aye I may opposed so we have Approved the minutes Which brings us to public comment is there anyone in the audience who are any Issues to discuss tonight either on the agenda or not on the agenda And No one raising a hand I don't don't believe that John Benzunas you are here Okay, good word board interviews and appointments for the alternate for the DRB. I heard that you had a small medical problem today, but Twin elbow You better shape than I thought So if you would please identify yourself give us a little brief history of why you want to be on the as an alternate and You're interested in and doing it sure again, my name is John Benzunas I live in a Wilson village at 7 7 3 2 Wilson Road Move to Wilson back in 2008 Came to Vermont in 2000 I've worked in the federal courts And actually shortly after I moved into the village. I joined the DRB. So I was a member between 2009 and September of 2000 this past September 2018 I stepped away due to I was vice chair for a while for about three years And I stepped away from the board because I was having a lot of conflicts with work travel Going down to DC and another and other things. It was just I was missing a lot of meetings and and I just thought it was Good to step away But I'd like to be involved as an alternate. I think that's a better fit for me right now. I'd still like to contribute I think I could on the spot come in and contribute contribute well. I know the bylaws. I know the process And I'd like to have that lesson to roll with it with the board Good. Thank you. And the reason why we invited you in for an interview was that Two of us interviewed you a long time ago, and I don't think that two or three on the board have had that opportunity So sure questions from the board Still working for the federal courts. Correct. Yeah, I still work with us probation I'm a supervisor in the office now So I supervise a pre-sentence and pretrial functions Is that why you want to be an alternate and not necessarily back on the board itself or is it yeah I mean over the course of my years at us probation I've got involved in a lot of national activities and that kind of takes me down to Washington here and there and it's Caused some Conflicts especially being the vice chair when when Scott wasn't available to chair the meetings that would trickle down to someone else Maybe the obvious question. Do you travel a lot now still? I traveled some But you know once or once or once a month or so once a choice a month You feel you can be a good alternate for okay, I do I do said my experience with the board is the alternate It's called relatively infrequently But but it's good when you have Only a quorum a group of four people that everybody kind of knows knows the by-laws It's kind of a hard part-time position to fill I would imagine because it takes takes a good amount of time to Become familiar with the process the by-laws to be able to contribute to the group effectively I feel I can do I can do that So the step up step in and be running is a great aspect of you being an alternative I forget if I asked you this question way back when you first applied It probably doesn't apply to you that much, but for some reason I get to ask this question of most candidates It's the conflict of interest question You know, how would you recognize it and what would you do about a potential conflict of interest sure? to working for the federal judiciary on but we were we observed the Judicial code of conduct and we have higher regulation or higher Accountability than than most branches of government we have as soon as you see a conflict you have to identify it and take Appropriate action remove yourself from a case During my time at the DRB conflicts would arise here and there and we would talk about it We'd raise it with a chair raise it with staff find out if it was a conflict that rose to the level that you had to remove yourself from From the particular application So I suspect you'd have a very solid answer there Further questions Thank you very much. We appreciate you're very interested in this is there a motion that's tonight Move to a point John Benzunas as the development review board alternate for an unexpired three-year term Through fiscal year 2020 Discussion on motion Not all those in favor of the motion say aye. Hi Opposed congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for coming So moving on to the liquor license application and we do have a Reapplication from the one that we tabled two weeks ago from the scale pokey bar People who would like the license are back again with us tonight So I think the only thing different now is that you're not planning on doing an outside service at this point correct We're just anything else remains the same from the original application So are there further questions from the board regarding the the facility I only have one so Thanks for coming back and Going again our minutes or at least our manager's report from the last meeting Or the minutes referred to seating at eight inside and I thought that came up in our last meeting But the applet the application says I think it says 15 That would have been including the outdoor spaces when I filled out the application there initially That was Including that must have been my mistake. There are only eight seats inside There are eight seats. So does that need to be I don't know if that needs to be updated or I think that's in the new app Yeah, I can change it Further questions for the applicants, I think we asked a lot of questions last time regarding the service and In the certification of your employees, so If there are no further questions, then I'd move to grant a first-class liquor license to the scale Okay, okay bar through April 30 2019. So your second second And discussion on the motion If not all those in here the motion say aye, aye any opposed Congratulations So we're at should know for the year on The order of business we're not going to take up item number nine the stormwater loan agreement to for Meadow Ridge because there are the Documents are not available tonight. So they will not be taken up for the viewing public we have one member as in tonight to do with some family tie-ups and We'll go on into the traffic calming review for Blair Park Road See Bruce horror is here and is there a stand-tec representative here tonight? Why don't you come up and introduce yourselves and Give us the The lowdown on the Blair Park commie study traffic commie study Rick Bryant with stand-tec Rick is the Insultants that was the lead on doing this study I'll just Jump right into it. We did a traffic study on Blair Park Road to see if it warranted having any traffic calming Measures needed on that interior loop or the whole roads of loop basically and what they found was that As of right now, there really is no speeding going on Blair Park Road So the recommendation right now is not to do any traffic calming At this point, but to monitor it and see if it gets worse But we also Are right now out the design for a sidewalk project that we've you guys have all picked a preferred alternative on and As part of that project we're going to propose putting in raised crosswalks with a crosswalks are going to go Which one effect act this traffic calming anyway, but make the crosswalks a little safer and a little more visible So Rick can answer particulars if you have one, but that's the whole study in a nutshell This wasn't anything that showed that there was anything needed to be done right now So where will the raised crosswalks go Bruce? There's a couple crossings quite honestly I'm not sure right now most one or two will go back in the back side of the loop where the Residents places are for the most part, but we'll have to look at that Teresa as we go along and see where where it makes sense where this where the sidewalk goes The sidewalk the sidewalk we've done that preferred alternative, but we don't have a design yet. It's in design now So it would be it would be like a speed speed Essentially a speed speed hump, but a crosswalk. It's just not quite as high. It's just a little bit more pronounced It'll be marked in some way flat on the top so that people crossing It has the same width and level space that you would see in a crosswalk So and it's really what we had suggested again It's not a requirement for the suggestion that we connect the two senior communities on the north end of the loop So that those people are more visible when they're crossing the road. They're more elevated They can see traffic better traffic and see them better Other questions regarding the the plans Just hopefully quick the Study refers to the southern part of the loop being a cut through Or maybe I didn't use the term correctly, but people using it to bypass Taft's corners And I'm asking the question from the standpoint of is that a problem It's a question because normally you would think of a cut through is probably not good But we also have our grid street layout and and the concept of the grid street is to provide alternatives to So Can you provide any perspective on that or staff any perspective on that does that question make sense? All roads can be used as a cut. I realize it's a public road We can't say no Do is discourage people by doing traffic calming that type of thing, right? But the study has already shown right now that there's no traffic calming needed The only reason behind traffic calming is to control speeds for the most part and there's no traffic calming warrant warranted right now So what we're saying is you know people drive through there That's what the roads designed to do to drive through it But it's not an issue as of right now now where we've heard that people perceive it's an issue and that they're Speeding and all that but that's why we did this study to show what's really going on Okay, one of the things we looked at is the the budding land juice and And one of the things we look at is the abutting land use and to be honest I just came from a meeting on Chamberlain Lane and Brennan Woods where the abutting land use and the potential cut through is it's also a residential neighborhood here here were abutting commercial uses so that the the presence of traffic that's that cut through Is is not unusual for and again in the concept of grid streets and all it it's we were Prepared to deal with it had it shown speeding problems But we didn't see speeding issues so the presence of traffic cut through traffic in and of itself didn't suggest a problem to us Thank you posted at 25. Yes, and you're seeing 85th percentile at 28, so since we installed the stop sign at the intersection of their road and Wall Street Is there been any trouble with that accidents or I haven't nobody's reported accidents to me Terry, but I wouldn't necessarily know that Expected with the change in traffic flow it might but that's that's good We looked at those v. Trans database and didn't find any reported accidents is that at those locations? Any further questions regarding the study there is a proposed motion if we agree to the raised crosswalks Move to accept the staff recommendation to further pursue raised crosswalks at Blair Park Road to improve Through a second So any discussion on motion Hearing none all those in favor say aye aye opposed Thank you very much So we'll go on to the next item And Bruce to your up on this one, too. This is the North Wilson Road Mountain View Road intersection update Yeah, and the concerns here that helped with this also Also our friends from CC or PC I got lots of back lots of backup tonight CCRPC So right now we're going to talk about the intersection itself at North Wilson Road and Mountain View Road intersection if you remember in 2012 there was a study done looked at by RSG and Alternatives selected from that Project which we did do some which was signage the rapid flash beacons the flashing yellow beacons the war of the intersection I had Brighter stop signs with cross traffic does not stop. We made those kind of improvements Excuse me And it did reduce the accidents in the intersection there was also a part of that was to Put in some raised islands and a few other traffic Implements at that intersection which we had not done. I wrote a memo to Rick Saying what we had done and asking to wait till the end of 2015 the actual year of 2015 to see how it was Operating before we did anything more And then really even though we're just here now we really started talking about doing a whole quarter study in 2016 So we haven't done anything else from those recommendations at that intersection But the intersection has improved from a crash standpoint crashes have gone down so Then we came back to okay when the study was done originally a Lot of people wanted to see a four-way stop It did not warrant a four-way stop at the time But it was very close and that's what the report even said not warrant it now But really close to making the warrants Didn't look at it through the big study the quarter study that was done Came to light so we did ask RSG to go back in and look at it to see where it stood now as far as meeting warrants for a four-way stop And I don't know if I'm supposed to say I'm glad to tell you or I'm here to tell you but It does meet the warrants for a four-way stop at this point at the intersection of North Wilson Road Mountain View Road and Governor Chittenden Road So based on that being the case and since it meets the warrants Our recommendation is that we turn them into a four-way stop intersection Questions for ruse and RSC No, I'm actually I'm happy so it's I think that's what we thought it should be but again Glad the numbers back it up. No And what what changed I mean what the Traffic calming mess some traffic calming measures were put in that reduced the number of crashes, but the warrant Still should issue What we did had nothing to do with whether the numbers were being met for them It's the volume and the traffic that's going out there today Even if we had done the rest of those improvements out there Ted, it would still the volumes would still be there today I can add in you're probably getting sick of hearing me say this, you know, I consider that my intersection because Pretty much every time I leave my house in a car or a bike. That's the intersection the first intersection I go through and You know my Observations may or may not be accurate, but it does feel like the intersection does get more traffic makes it more difficult to particularly in the morning to leave And make that left-hand turn on the north Wilson Road, so you know personally, I'm very pleased I Think the four-way traffic the four-way stops so the I'm not sure if Rick has some more information on the ordinance that we need Normally the first step to implement this is for the board to change the town or that's that regulates the placement of stop signs And I still think that's necessary here, but when we were Researching this it turns out it's already listed as having a stop sign here Inappropriately obviously because the board never approved a stop sign. I think it needs correction though because it isn't clear It just says at the intersection or it says on north Wilson Road at the intersection of Mountain View Road And what it really should say is identify both north and southbound in addition to just saying so and in In addition or in any case there are some other changes that we're going to be coming forward relatively minor adjustments corrections That we've discovered in the ordinance that we're going to bring to the board for public hearing anyway for example the intersection of James Brown Drive is listed as a stop sign. It is now a traffic light So it's things like that that will be coming forward. So I think the process is still the same We're going to recommend that the board implement this to a change the town ordinance No objections will ask staff to prepare the ordinance to do the appropriate changes Okay, we're now be an appropriate time to discuss Changing a two-way stop intersection to a four-way stop intersection is it's a significant change in terms of how people who use the intersection are going to react we went through this when route to Oak Hill north Wilson Road went from a two-way stop to a four-way It's now appropriate time to talk about how we're going to deal with that educating drivers like a flashing light or something maybe or I don't know what that part of the recommendations in the Part as well, but perhaps Bruce and We will Notice it will be noticed through these public hearings, but it will also be for any change is made out there We'll have variable message boards put up on each leg Two weeks prior to the change happening and we'll leave them up for a week after the change happens It's gonna take some coordination because I'm gonna want to get the line strippers out there to paint stop Stop on the pavement since it is going to be new. We want to make sure things nice and bright, but That's trying to sound Too cocky. It's not our first row. Yeah, so we'll make sure it's done, right? Are you considering? I know it's your discretion in your job, but are you considering putting the flashing red lights near the stop signs like they did? Intersection four corners here Reason I think it's just I have professional experience with somebody who got clocked in a car accident pretty hard when the stop light was put in on route two and the person was a Woman is coming from Richmond and she's in her fifties and it's driven Driven these roads for 40 years and just didn't occur to her to stop Because the stop sign just wasn't something she was looking for and I think it was shortly after that that they put the red light flashing lights in they have any recommendations here to do flags But we can certainly put red red flashing lights on your sense. It's you're the professional. I'm just throwing it Yeah, no, it's fine. I mean it's something that can be looked at that It's good sense that calls people's attention to it for sure Remember we already have yellow flashing caution lights before that showing that it's a four-way intersection So you know you just don't want to do too much, but we'll certainly look at it. We'll make sure it's done the right way For the comments Yes An ordinance is required to make the change officially and The board's first opportunity to even consider That will be June 5th and they have to warn a public hearing after that So we're looking at and then there's a time period after they adopted of 60 days before guns in fact, so we're talking about Warden 60 days 70 80 90 days somewhere in that range Yeah questions If not, then we'll move on to the north Williston Road study You need you Been in front of you. There's been multiple meetings on the subject our memo now is to make suggestions for The preferred alternative recommendations Because of how long it'll take to Actually make it a four-way stop sign some of these may actually even be done if you choose to do them before the four-way stop goes in So In phase one it's mostly to install signage as per the recommendations in the plan Or there's three phases phase one Is a lot of it's a stop signs, which we'll have to wait for the ordinance to get done The Chevron signs on the corner at the twisty corner on North Wilson Road Speed activated curve warning sign Obviously, we'd have to purchase the pedestrian signals We have to be a little bit careful of because if we're talking about Retangular rapid flash beacons There's quite the criteria now that you have to meet Before you can use those if it turns out that they don't we can't meet the criteria. There are other Pedestrian crossing signals that we can use they just won't be the rapid flash beacons So that's all part of phase one Phase two is Well, we recommend doing phase one get the four-way stop in and then You know go a season or at least through the winter see how that works out and everything else and then phase two would be speed tables radar speed feedback sign and What's that almost four tenths of a mile of the center Rump centerline rumble strip, which is down basically through the the S corners down there to keep people on their side of the road This is not on the edge of the road But down actually down the center line so people would know if they're crossing over they'd hear that Rumble keep people under lanes, which is a real problem coming up through those corners, which probably everybody has experienced and then Phase three You know if you wanted to look at that is the big ticket item of trying to put a path down through there and Kind of unfeasible, but something that can certainly still be looked at down the road. It's we're talking, you know 3.9 to 6 million dollars with the property and everything you'd have to take so we're not actually been making any recommendations to phase three right now So looking at the money for phase one Do we have enough funds to do that in this fiscal year? Or the next fiscal year We have enough money for the signs are not a problem We have some money in capital still from the We put ten thousand I think is what we're down to and that fund now for special kind of projects like this Or we've funded things out of before so the answers yes and no we have money to do some of this Terry I am going to go back and Say that since this is a circle alternatives project. We should be getting funding for this. We shouldn't be having to pay for this We will argue about that Who would we make that argument to the RPC or to ALT for both both It this route was identified as part of the circle alternatives, so we will make that argument in that case quite strongly Questions from the ward they paid for the study to be done because it was a circle alternatives project So it would be kind of hard now to say it's not part of that, but we'll have that discussion The only thing I The only thing that that concerns me about this and just as a cyclist is the rumble strips on the s-curve because You kind of want cars to give cyclists room and this is you're trying to keep them in their lanes and one of the worst spots That's probably the scariest spot on the road is is in the s-curves for a cyclist so I Don't know Yeah, it's good point in fact I can add to the cyclist concerns being a cyclist myself is One thing I'm not seeing here is the concept of increasing the shoulder Sort of it's That's that's the bike path right and making the road Okay, okay. All right, so is there a way then let me ask the question separately. Thank you Definitely this down here. Is there a way to break out at least the shoulder aspect of that separate from a bike path per se We're gonna ask them to go back and look at that again, but that's gonna be you're gonna be in the You know, it's so tight down through there with those ditches and everything The only way you're going to do it is to take right of way and start doing your cutbacks and everything So the answer is no there's no easy way to do that As far as as far as the concern You know, I appreciate what you're saying, but as far as the concern about Keeping you know in their lane and instead of moving over for a bicyclist is if people follow the rules of the road They're not supposed to try to pass a bicyclist till it's clear and safe to do that and on that s-turn technically it's Probably not I understand they're still doing it three. So I'm not trying to but we have to Don't wait. Yeah so We did look at like just a bike lane as one of the alternatives through there And you run like like who's saying you run into the same issues of you know, a very narrow area Especially through through the curves and then once you get down into the north willis and village, you know The houses are right up on the road So there are some serious constraints there, which is what escalates the cost and so we talked about, you know doing either a Widened, you know bicycle lanes or a path separate or both or you know what the various impacts are and there's there's no There's no easy way to make a consistent facility through there Is there any way to make the road lanes smaller? I mean maybe they're already minimum now I'm already down to 10 feet I Mean they're 10 feet. I went and measured them the report says 11 feet and I was sure that I was right I went out there today in the rain They're 10 feet wide So that was a mistake in the report that they're 11 feet right now Still draft we can we can correct that yeah, no, it's fine. It wasn't wasn't that big a deal. I just Wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy That's a minimum I take it I'd let the traffic engineers talk to that more I mean there are places where you're doing nine, but that's a pretty busy road lots of volume I don't know that anybody would recommend going down the nine feet for this roadway classification. You wouldn't want to go below 10 For the volume and the speed of traffic earlier questions that question it's more of a comment and You know I'm supportive of these of these Phase one and phase two and I actually think if you look at the price the price is I Guess reasonable doable that type of thing and certainly worth investing in our road My concern is is that with the the volume of traffic on that road? That's kind of in a sense the white elephant in the room with that volume of traffic on the road It's always going to be difficult to have that road It's always going to be difficult to increase the quality of life for the people who live on the road and the people who use That road just simply because of that traffic volume and Until we can either deal with the traffic volume, which I don't think is something we can You heard the comment before it's public road People are going to use it. It's one of the few crossings of the Winooski River It's always going to have a lot of traffic on it Until we could do something Drastic in terms of realigning the road and winding the road so there are decent shoulders Which comes with a huge price tag The impact of what we do is is going to be I don't want to say it's minimal But it's going to I think be dwarfed by the volume of traffic the trucks that use that road. I Think You're going to see a change in how the road is used when you put in those stop signs I think what you're going to see is you're going to see North Williston road is going to become less desirable route Thank you, and I think you're absolutely right. Yes, but mountain view in the other hand will probably become more desirable So you're just going to see a shift of how people use it people adjust to the traffic conditions so It will be it'll be interesting to see how you know the initial steps of phase one May impacts. Yeah, that's a good point. Is that something that will happen? Will you like in wait a year and see how things are going? For what just see what the impact of these of these phase one and phase two for instance are and how they've affected use of the road How people feel about how the roads being used that type of thing sure we can always we can always go back and relook at things that's why you know Phase three is evaluate additional improvements for future if you want to do that But I wouldn't recommend starting to do that right now But you're right the only way you're going to change that road as far as for the real long term We've been through that is to turn them into a highway. I mean, what did that road store this? I mean It's right as a gravel road Probably a farm as a cow path probably I mean I remember Bruce you're talking about having trouble with pavement because of the Well, I know another public works director to grew up on that road and remembers playing baseball out on the road I'm a kid, so I Remember when the bridge across the Manuski River was out for a couple months. Maybe it was longer Yeah Any further questions from the ward There are folks who live on North Fullerton Road that are here in the audience any comments from you folks tonight If you just identify yourself and Hello, well, thanks for giving some time for people who live on the road again because I know we've done comment a lot My name is Jay Diaz. I live on North Wilson Road 2187 and I love my community. I love living this town I love all people who live near me and my main concern is is Not so much the volume because like what are you gonna do about that? I think is a good response. It's really about safety and That I've seen multiple accidents in the three years. I've lived there People going off the ditches. I mean my wife helped help somebody who's hand was completely busted up after an accident I witnessed I saw one just a few weeks back And the speed of which I wish people drive on the road is pretty intense You know, it's it's 35 and I mean You know, I don't I don't have a speedometer, but they're going really fast Up the hill and down. So that's really the main concern You know, there was nothing in the study about changing the speed limit, which I you know That's that's the decision of the town and the study years But you know, I think if there's anything we can do to limit the speed particularly in the hollow where they're coming down the hill You know my mailbox has been torn out my neighbors My other neighbor had their house run into so I think And I know and our neighbor across street moved their house back Like they took it off the foundation and moved it back because their house got run into So I think that It's it's a real concern about just the speed more than anything and I think anything we can do to handle that is a good move Particularly the one thing in the plan. I mean, I think the alternatives are strong. The one thing I would say Is missing is Something when people are coming north into the hollow Something to slow them down in there a little bit more So, you know, maybe around Fontaine Lane having another one of those tables Or or read our signs or whatever So, thank you very much So we've heard the recommendations and we have The phase in the phase two with the speed tables are to speed tables down in that area and a radar feedback sign Before Fontaine Lane One by Fae Lane one one before the railroad tracks and then a radar speed sign So they're not that far apart. They're pretty close Questioner comments, of course You just identify yourself, please My name is Sarah Burton and I live at 2454 North Wilson Road. We have been there for about eight years so we have a lot of experience with The traffic I have four little kids and as I was leaving tonight They were eating dinner and I was coming here They said I really hope they do something to slow down the traffic because I don't feel safe to cross in the road Mommy doesn't even feel safe crossing the road and it's not just crossing the road It's going to my mailbox that I have to pause and wait for traffic because of the speed at which people travel and obviously we've addressed the fact that the volume isn't going to change on the road and We I think those of us that live in the north Wilson community although our population is small It really is a close knit community and we were very excited by the study and the recommendations in the study And I was excited to see some of the things that were going to be implemented in in the different phases One of the things that I saw that was In my opinion missing was the restriping of the road or the Relying of the road To make them narrower and that seemed to be a suggestion that was inexpensive and could be implemented shortly That seems like that would have a positive impact on speed that wouldn't Cost as much as some of the other implementations the other thing about this where the speed tables are and the radar feedback. It's farther North from where the the hollows are and I would for my opinion where people seem to garner the most speed would be Not necessarily in the straightaway but more up in the hollow Which is what Jay was speaking about something to slow them down before they've gained the most amount of speed at the end of the hollows And there were a couple of recommended speed tables within that area I think on either side of Fontaine Lane But even if the radar feedback was pushed a bit farther south up into the hollows That would slow folks down before getting to the straightaway and maybe get catch their attention Near the end of the at the hill rather than being at the base of the hill It seems like you want to slow people down before that would be a suggestion So I look forward to the slowing folks down so that it's a safer. It's a safer space to To be I mean, I'm not suggesting that until you have like phase three that we can really walk around down there But just slowing people down so we feel safe enough to go to our You know mailboxes and pull out would be appreciated Thank you. Thank you. That is a good point. You we have you have speed tables I think if I look at the map is it before and after the railroad track Yeah, yeah, these can all be moved. There's nothing there. There's nothing hard and fast here Plus once we go to put these in we may have a neighbor come out and say I don't want that in front of my house because of the noise So this can all be adjusted. Yeah, just yeah, because it would be good probably to speed It's slow them down before they start going down the hill and then doesn't doesn't the railroad track itself Isn't that a bit of a hump? Oh, yeah, slow people down Really And you will like you said I think you're going to do phase one and then maybe leave it for a year to see He's one all the way in it's going to be the end of this instruction season anyway for the most part And then we'll see we can come back to budget and see where we're getting money Those kind of things Oh David Kramer keystone drive I live off the southern end of Encourage us to move ahead although only for the Chevron's on that curve driver. I negotiate that I can see the issue I'm more concerned about our end of the road Just more traffic coming from building the houses to add to I think we can start there and start that speed control there As the comment was made so I'm not sure if you were here when we were discussing the four-way stop sign at the intersection of Mountain Jewel and North Wilson Road or proceeding. We want to proceed with that So that may help just the raceway Any further comments, yes I agree with that that's going to slow down but the amount of traffic and the new development that's going in More cars are coming in. I think Jeff hit the nail right on the head I mean, there's so limited bridges that go over the North Wilson River Has the state even concerned maybe completing the surf just in 2a to eliminate to give us Ain't gonna happen. It's not gonna happen Yes, we would all love to see that happen So a motion I understand your Problems and the the solution would be wonderful if we could make it happen, but if you remember number of years ago and the EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers said You can't build it and get federal funds and that was so what a hundred fifty million dollar project at that time and Without federal funds, it's just not going to happen Yeah, well, we would love to see that happen, but I'm not counting on it So there's a motion Suggested regarding the Wilson Road study I moved to select as a preferred alternative for the North Wilson Road scoping study the traffic calming and multimodal improvements as presented by staff That's a discussion on the motion If not all those in favor say aye Any opposed so we have finished that Next on the agenda, and I'm not sure if he's here yet Okay, good Next on the agenda then is the convenience of right away to the Northridge Williston LLC Perhaps Rick could start off Whatever which is to and mr. Avery is here to Talk about this as well Well quick So the board remembers So over a month ago, we brought this request forward conveyance of right-of-way Process where the fall was posting the notice of it Had they'll let that period pass they don't want to appeal that a proposed conveyance of right-of-way So that period is passed now So this is the next step for the board has before it was the action to formally convey that right-of-way Who connects Southridge to the new Northridge development and Ben Avery's here from the project and Bruce is here as well There's questions from the board sure and the the Request of staff is to issue the conveyance yep So are the questions from the board for Mr. Avery or for Aaron Nothing has changed since the last time we we met or talked No, okay Motion is in order. I move to grant the conveyance of lands by the town of By the town to Northridge Williston LSE of an approximate 60 by 175 foot right-of-way located to the immediate east of 749 Metcalf Drive and authorize the manager to sign any documents required to complete the transaction If not all those in favor of the motion say aye aye any opposed so we done it and thank you for being here You've surpassed Essex as the quickest transaction ever Thank you very much appreciate it So moving on to Development by a lot of discussion on the poultry definition and Eric you've written us a memo regarding this so When the board moved on the town's unified development bylaws proposed a couple weeks ago How we removed the board removed this section right into poultry after our discussion relating to This would also encompass ducks and geese and and other types of poultry So the process that the board wants to move forward it has the it can provide new language to this draft by-law I put some forward and If the board likes this language or different language or the board can decide at this point Doesn't want to pursue this by-law amendment at all at this point If the board wants to pursue this language process the fall would be to provide this to the planning Commission The planning Commission has to have an opportunity to provide comment on it the board to consider After that happens the board can then listen to those comments If has any change that it wants to implement at that point and then a new public hearing would be in order for the by-law at that point Public hearing happens the board can then decide it wants to move forward with that and the ordinance adoption Process with having from there. So question for the board tonight really is does it want to further pursue this with different language The language I've drafted falls out calls out chickens explicitly have a variation of that Whereas I want to want to stop at this point and we've discussed the chicken ordnance or Yes, the chicken keeping of chickens ordinances probably sit together And that's something I have some new draft language prepared to bring up Moving forward as well. The board wants to kind of look at these two items in concert So there's at least one maybe two people who probably are not in favor of the chicken ordinance and Probably would vote against that. I'm just not sure if there's majority that feels that way, but if not majority rules and we can go forward with the The starting with the by-law discussion if we wish to My question is We have the by-law and then we have the ordinance So the by-law is more or less the the zoning Ability the bit the basically allows the ability to keep chickens female chickens in a less than one acre lot size and then the The ordinance Defines how they would do that. Is that the way I look at the way we look at this Do we need them both? So if we approve this Does it does it allow Immediately allow or when I say we approve we can't prove it because it's got to go through the the process But after it goes through the process and is approved in the by-laws Without an ordinance does that mean people can can practice this Without any rules. So so almost makes sense to do them in the other in the other Order doesn't it do the ordinance first if we decide we want to do that And then apply a by-law or my thinking of it wrong Well, I think we need to do the by-law first, but not Adopt it until we have an ordinance to look at and that's fair together Okay, and that is that because the by-law is a longer process or We're trying to move both ahead Okay, kind of simultaneously, but not have one get further ahead than the other and this is just Referral at this point the board not taking action other than you know, if you don't want to refer it, obviously That's an action you can take so but the referral You know allows the Planning Commission to come back and then we can work on the timing of the scheduling of the hearings for both The by-laws and the ordinance itself But if there's no interested moving forward at all Then he said then you know why even bother with a referral Rights in the first place But I think from what I haven't made up my mind yet So I would like to see this go to the Planning Commission for them to have comment and move on. We're not Correct me if I'm wrong. We're not approving anything today. It's just referring The only fear I have is I don't want to get I don't want to get the pro the pro chicken faction I don't want to mislead them And thinking that I may you know that I'm definitely in favor I genuinely have not made up my mind yet, but I think that's worth sending to the Planning Commission I'm okay with that as well I'm probably I'm more in favor of it until we hear information that says You know for instance, we asked last time I think that the staff check with other towns Populate like South Burlington That have implemented such a thing and are they having lots of problems and we've done that but That I think we can talk when we get to the ordinance part we can bring that up and talk Okay, I had a conversation last week with both communities I'll just need to organize my notes to the board on those conversations and we have that next okay great super I'm in support of Moving forward. I do have some questions Eric if you don't mind sure I was a little confused easily done by the way in your memo under the new draft where it talks about 20 20.10.1 is a permit needed to keep livestock on residential on a residential lot and it appears the answer is no But then it talks about livestock on residential premises are subject to 20.10.2 and There again, it says no permit is required and I just was confused by that because I thought last time we we've talked We've always talked about a permit being required For lots less than an acre. Yeah, what I what I did here is I left the language as the Planning department and planning commission had drafted and I switched out the words poultry in here with chickens So I'd I'd have to check with them just on the intent there, but I think the it may be All line stocks, so it may be something we want to clarify further. Okay, all right If the artist is adopted if I was confused possibly others might be also, okay. I'll flag that. Thank you. Thank you And just when you're cleaning up language on the the very last one 2010 24 and the very last line who's an extraneous the That begins that last line. So, oh, yeah, regular removal. Okay Yeah, well you go nice If there are no more questions emotion has been suggested Changes the language pertaining to the keeping of poultry in the Williston Unified Development by law the sections 20.10.2.1 through 20 point 10 point 2.4 And send draft language to the planning commission for an opportunity to provide There's a second So discussion on the motion If not all those in favor say aye I Was opposed, you know, and we were sending on to the planning commission so we're now at the catamount property purchase and the suggested Way to move forward for a meeting next week and Rick I didn't I put this on here just because I want to make sure what we were Scheduling for discussion that was consistent with what the board wanted So I think I included a draft agenda with the packet. Yes, my plan is to End out a bunch of documents tomorrow morning To the board which includes information that's already available and includes The draft License agreement with Teresa's comments on it includes some I was waiting to see if I received comments from other board members I have not yet So I'm going to send them out. I also have Some thoughts that you'd put down and up is the PowerPoint which I've converted into a PDF. I have the MOU that was never finalized never adopted that was request to be sent out We have the Purchase and sales agreement now that's been reviewed by legal counsel myself So we will send out with our comments on it and I believe We've already submitted those comments back to the Public land trust Anyway, trust for public land just had the wrong sequence and They've I believe commented on our comments Some of the they've made some of the changes that we had suggested and clarified some of the Questions we had So we have that document ready to go out And there's probably a few other documents that will be able to send out We won't have the entire agenda packet ready tomorrow, but we'll have all that stuff And so I want to get in your hands as soon as possible And so anyway, is this kind of What the board was expecting as far as the issues to be covered one suggestion for a change So since we've been talking primarily about the license agreement and that was primarily I think the cause of trying to get this meeting together can we move that right after the Funding sources to get it right up front before the the conservation easement so the forest management plan So the policy issues to me is setting the groundwork and then then you go into the license agreement I Don't know how much and also I don't know how much we expect to do in the meeting in other words If we set policy, which you know, we should have done in my opinion a year ago If we set policy do we want them to go back or do we want to try to mark up the license agreement at the meeting? That's my I think that's the sticking point that we've had so far That's why I'd like to get that up front because otherwise we won't get it and by the time we get to it people will be suggesting it's getting late and we Can certainly move it forward. I think we had we had some logic we'd be Putting it where it was because that's the kind of where it fell in the sequence of documents, but I have no problem with moving it So you're saying after number four Well, my only logic is that we get to the thing that we set up the meeting for in the first place Because we really haven't debated the others yet. So And to me the free that's kind of the you know the kind of I've read the conservation easement I don't think that's going to be controversial. It'll probably be interesting to go through it The forest management plan might be a little controversial, but it's also I think it's at least 50 pages I get to do because it's so long But that's what I was thinking, you know, it's nice if we stuff too much into the meeting Then we won't get any of the things we want to get done Thank you In terms of whether we're gonna mark up a license agreement or not, but if we could spend some time Discussing that I don't know what the break approach is if we I I have some experience drafting legal documents and it's It's painful enough as it is But if you get a whole bunch of other people in there You know arguing over where for therefore and semi-colons and Oh, you can you can bog down and you're absolutely right That's why I was thinking that's why it's wondered whether it makes sense to set policy and say please make the document reflect this policy Because it's very hard to I mean like you said, and I'm not an attorney, but I do teas and seas You know, it's very hard to do it interactively you kind of go through one person's Feedback, and then you kind of go through the next person's at the next draft. It's so what would our discussion of setting policy look like? It was in the the documents I I actually thought you'd have them by now. I'm sorry Is that the MOU? Well, no, no, no it was in You know in terms of you know setting the policy don't do we want to give somebody a Full lease to the land in other words We want to give away our rights to town rights to the land to somebody or do we want somebody to come in and run programs for the town? What is it do we want to? For instance, I just give you I know we didn't plan a long discussion But I know Kate coming here last time and said you know everybody I've talked to likes likes this agreement I haven't found anybody. Well, I've done my own polling. I walk the bike path every night and Know a lot of people as a result, and I haven't found anybody that thinks it's a good idea that that benefits them now I have to say I haven't gone and specifically flagged down the bicyclist or anything because you know different different constituents, but people you know a normal Typical residents say well, what am I getting them for my six hundred thousand dollars? I'm not getting a discount in the tickets We're giving the land What am I what exactly are we getting because I get I'm not really you know from a town taxpayer perspective They don't feel like they're getting anything and I'm not suggesting we don't do the deal I think it's great to conserve the land. It's what we save the money for But we should make sure that it's a Actually, that's why we scheduled discussion on the funding sources early in this because the funding sources If the town was paying a hundred percent for this land It would have a whole lot more say anytime you get a grant or Have a donation of money Usually there are strings attached and so we wanted to share with the board What what are those? Requirements one of those strings that are attached to each of these major funding sources So so those just come to late recently. No, okay. All right So we should know about that too because if we've got strings attached that we didn't know when we started that makes a difference As to how we should we should spend money as well There's always regulations and things that we have to abide by and that tie up the the monies that we Get in grants and things like that. Do we know those now those strings? It would be good to know them before we come to the meeting. I would like to know them be prepared Yeah, well that will be part of the agenda packet. Yes, I mean we'll get it in the next We have one version, but I know Jennifer's work on a second version So I don't know Strings are in the easement right the conservation easement. That's one of the documents. That's There's separate strings and then there's a lot of That's where I want to use Commonality or sharing This well, there's overlap I think is the word I need between one set of programs and the grants restrictions and another So it's not like they're each one has its own it piled up on top of each other It will be interesting to understand how these came about did they come about as a right as a as a result of the way the grants were written Well, it's the grants are written normally to comply with the purpose of the grant itself and So you try to when you're writing a grant you try to match the program to the Function of the grant to increase your chance of success I don't want to spill the beans too much on the good stuff. We're going to talk about next week But quickly we've used these types of grants to purchase a fair amount of land and we'll list in already is there Is there anything unique we're seeing with the the conditions that are coming this time with these conservation related grants? Well, I haven't seen the Complete right up yet. Most of what I have seen I would say no But there is I think there is some that is somewhat unique And it ties in with the fact that we have the catamount outdoor family center providing programs And some of the money is being attracted because of that function Okay, good. Thank you. I think like I said, I have Chance you have to reapply for the grant and so much of that narrative is about The services that are being offered I Don't think we're suggesting well, I shouldn't say we I'll just say I don't think anybody here has suggested that we don't provide services I don't think I mean if there's something in the grant that says You must Give this land give control of the land to somebody else in order to As As a condition of the grant then I would say that that doesn't seem quite right Something's wrong with that that grant application or the process There you get into defining giving control of land You know if you're providing programs Is that providing Giving control over the land by providing programs. Oh, no, I would I think yeah, but One could argue the other side of that as well Right, but it sounds like are we in agreement that the license agreement section of our agenda is going to be focused primarily on policy and not and perhaps a little bit on the specific language of the proposed license, but not Nuts and bolts. Okay. Is everybody done with section 2.1? Okay I'm okay with that. Yeah, yeah We have to recognize that this is a negotiable Thing that we're dealing with as well. Yeah, so that we have more than just us that is going to be involved in Discussing whatever we wish to have in it that gets a little bit to my question and So this will be a public meeting obviously and I think if it was something that Where it was just the select board questions and and interaction and dialogue and discussion We could easily fill in evening Having the public participate is going to We could fill I guess my question is is how is the meeting going to happen? How are we going to have what with the public? Even anticipate right now and Frustrated everybody because we still have so much more to go Does that make sense that kind of concern question? Certainly does and it's more of a Discussion group for us to Give the input to all of our constituents about what we understand is the process and What we have agreed to so far and what we may wish to have In the agreements that go forward and There can be limited amount of input from the public at this point I think Certainly will need to have other meetings that That allow the public more input on it So do you moderate then Terry is as we're trying to have a discussion and policy in The public view do you moderate then the ability of the public to interject in that or what the chair does? Okay, so that's what Bigger hammer, right? Well, it makes a good noise Thor's hammer. I've used it before in other Other venues, so yes So maybe we would start maybe with Terry maybe you can explain the process the rules. Yeah That's part of the Rules that we set up on the first meeting is that we talk about allowing the chair to Set the rules of the game. So yeah So are we ready to move on to the manager's report? If we are we can do that So Actually I'm going to have Jennifer talk about the finance report Why don't we start with that so we are 10 months through the fiscal year and Things are trending better than budget expectation in most areas Revenues up from what we had budgeted Most recently we got our local options tax receipts that were distributed this afternoon on your desk and for the Rooms and I'm sorry for sales tax Was up about 12% over what we anticipated for this quarter So we were anticipating about 510,000. We had about 570,000 And rooms and meals tax was up about 14% this quarter Yeah, so Good food and we'll listen the rooms and meals is actually consistent what it has in over the for the quarter But the sales tax is way out. You know, we haven't seen 570,000 Over there be since well before 2012 probably going back to 2006 and 7 is When we saw numbers that might have reached that And unfortunately the state can't give us any detail on this I've asked I asked last quarter because it was up high Up higher last quarter And they can't give us any specifics Is there any effect on the Amazon the new Amazon tax, you know the new does that factor into this at all? Or is that something that I? Got to believe it's part of it. Yeah, but we don't know how much was just the first quarter or the first No, it was up significantly last quarter as well and No, no, my question was is the the taxing of Amazon purchases is that when did that commence in our I? Believe that that started in back in July Yes Yeah, so we saw a significant bump in the fourth quarter, which is the October through December Period and then we're still seeing that Again this quarter and that was one of our suspicions that we had and we asked for some additional detail from the state But they can't give that to us this is These numbers are on the heels of the Toys R Us closing down although it was closing down during this so I've heard rumors about bedbath and beyond struggling financially. We know that Target is going to be opening at some point in South Burlington that will have an impact So well, whatever is causing this bump Taxing of Amazon has any effect on their business or improves the local people were Worry, I don't think that has any factor at all. Amazon is all convenience. I might be mistaken, but it might be a Supreme Court case that's Dealing with this issue, but oh federal Supreme Court. Yes, sir. Yes Against the Requiring all the different companies to contribute sales tax and that's going to have an impact On the state as well as the town That must be So we did anticipate to use about eight hundred and eighteen thousand dollars of our reserves in this year's budget Based on Where we're trending now and if we don't have any unanticipated expenses over these next I anticipate that we're only going to use about two hundred thousand of that So of that two hundred of that eight hundred and eighteen thousand that we had budgeted to use So again another year where we're adding to our reserves Could we use some of the monies that we don't use to lower the tax rate? or fiscal year 2020 we could Don't I don't believe that we can adjust the budget that's been approved by the voters for 2019 But we may want to be More aggressive. I think we were trying to be more aggressive in 2019 Try to use that even more in 2020 When do we do that? When do we adjust the tax rate for the next fiscal year? Yeah, you will see that in the June meeting the second June meeting we're bringing rates So the listers are working on that right now In grand list estimates, I've heard some estimates that are The grand list may be higher than what we had put in our budget as well So that's a good thing that will further that would bring our our tax rate down lower than the 2% that we had So, but we'll see that I'm for sure. I believe they have to post that publicly, I think in Two weeks, so May 29 and then I'll get the number shortly after that to bring to you On the expenditure side, we again are seeing some departments that are Under budget on police department. Well, we are addressing those staffing issues We won't see that until next year those positions People active in their positions until next year We did have a large Expense with that recent rainstorm And right now the amount that we've submitted to FEMA is 67,000 to complete all of that work and we won't know if that's approved for a period of time But right now we Anticipate have no having no trouble meeting our budget expectations for the year any questions So, thank you continuing on one item I wanted to highlight in my verbal report here is Next police vehicle that we're Have been approved as part of the budget Purchase of a new vehicle But what we're purchasing is something a little bit different. It's a Pickup truck, which it's police pursuit rated pickup truck I have a couple of photographs of it here and some specifications This is being requested for several reasons It Increasingly the police department is required each police officer carry a fair amount of equipment and It it's difficult to fit it in the trunks of the normal police car In fact, it's even difficult to fit in the SUVs that we have So the thinking is with a pickup bed you have a little bit more room to store a lot of stuff like this like There's measuring measuring devices when you want to It also does have room though if you need to transport a prisoner it's got a back cab Accommodate that we're not the first town to consider this in fact the company wouldn't be offering this if there wasn't a demand for it So we'll have to see how it goes. It'll give us a little bit of variety because we'll have the traditional police cruisers We have the several SUVs that have all This vehicle which also will have It's a little bit different, so I figured I just mentioned that as part of my report Question on that Rick. Sorry. You mentioned the scales. So I picked up on that Do the does the police department check truck? I assume it's truck there to weigh trucks Yes, to make sure that they are complying with the town posted limits and that type of thing Yes, and the fines are extraordinarily high Certain violations, okay, so they have to measure every wheel No, it's it's kind of a spot-check basis and usually there's an indication That the officer will look at it saying that looks like it's pushing the weight limit a little bit And so that gives them probable cause and I can I was asking just because I did not know that that was a function The police department did yes All right moving along. I have for you several documents to sign the New investment policy that was adopted recently by the board and then the storm water policy we did what one minor minor change and It was kind of more than a typo, but less than the substantive change. So I'm bringing it to your attention. We just It said of escrow stormwater escrow reserve fund. We changed it to escrow fund because that's consistent with our bookkeeping information and Doesn't change the meeting, but I just bring that to your attention. So I Don't think it requires a board vote on that, but anyway Tomorrow morning it was our second meeting of the Chittinay County Public Safety Authority first meeting I was elected treasurer and right now The expenses we're anticipating are pretty minimal. We don't have much money Which is one of my reasons why they're minimal. We don't have any employees and we don't anticipate having them for quite a few months so But the reason I'm mentioning this now is that the authority does need some help in setting up Paying bills on occasion because there will be some bills and I would like to volunteer the town Staff to help with that. I've talked it over with Jennifer We've explored some of the issues and we think that the extra work will be minimal And it'll be a major help to the authority as it gets We in order to implement this will be bringing back to the board a Memorandum of understanding or some sort of agreement that spells out what our responsibilities are and What the responsibilities are of the authority we're anticipating this is going to be a one-year agreement only So it'll be run July 1st through June 30th and if there's any major changes the wording we've put in there is Like if they had any personnel then we have to renegotiate the agreement because That obviously would change the workload So we will be bringing back a draft, but the draft agreement we have now has been put together by Jennifer and myself And we'll be sharing it with the public safety authority tomorrow morning And so they get a chance to review it and then the Hove legal counsels look at it And then that should come to the board, but I wanted to mention this because if the board has any reservations at all I want to know about it before we go through all that process That's all I have for this evening Okay Going on is there any other business that we need to talk about before an executive session? Just one thing that we've been invited to Go to the groundbreaking for the Burlington emergency veterinary specialist new building on Marshall Avenue Tomorrow morning to for the groundbreaking ceremony on that Any other business If not a motion then would be in order to Go into executive session Is there a second If it's permissible I'd like to have Jennifer and while she's actually