 I'm just waiting on Spyro. I'm excited for that. Did you did you hear about by the way Rags actually showed me the the tweet about it but apparently Dad would throw us like one of his new videos or whichever video he like ripped off the script it's from like August or something apparently from like ripped off the script from what some like I don't even know I guess like a guy wrote an article something I didn't look too far into it it was let me I I've actually got it right here that way it was August 7th the the video this video by the channel downward thrust ripped entire paragraphs from my book on Final Fantasy 7 they eventually cited me after I complained I guess the writer thought nobody had read the book he's not far from the mark but one of my 12 fans alerted me he says it was mostly verbatim copying wow see and this is what I mean I can't remember how long ago what podcast it was on but I'm pretty sure me and wolf talked about um downward thrusts whole thing is he looks and threads and articles and he finds what it is what what you're supposed to say about the topic what's what's the current leading perspective on it and then you'll just say that because he just doesn't have his own fucking feelings about stuff obviously he's a bit of a robot as we've also gone over but today is not about downward thrust unfortunately um hello everyone how how do you do I see a couple people have already flown right in how wonderful um we're we're we're well well I guess we should we'll we'll mention first that as of the the last podcast with cinema sin sins um a couple people were we're frustrated with the fact that we in any way discuss politics being that of the latest controversy with um I don't even know is it is it senator Kavanaugh or Brett Kavanaugh um judge Kavanaugh what yeah now judge Kavanaugh the way I guess he was just before but now he's a bigger judge um so the old judge this really shouldn't even be a partisan issue yeah so I wanted to clarify I didn't know it was partisan I thought we were just discussing a concept being well it shouldn't be a partisan yeah that's the thing the concept is revolves around the idea of you're not guilty until someone can prove you're guilty and that um you need to have evidence or you need to have corroboration with your testimony in order to you know give your accusations some weight especially if you wait 36 years and can't remember when it happened where it happened or how you got there or how you got back or anything like this um yeah I would think that both republican democrat libertarian anyone with a brain yeah it would be like oh yeah the presumption of innocence as a concept is very important and we can't let random accusations ruin people's lives but apparently that was less partisan than we thought and it's certainly not an apology it's just uh just an observation I have made and yeah so to clarify I'm not sure if we ever said it but um I can't promise the podcast will be 100% politics free because it's not I don't even think that's possible like whenever you cover anything you'll randomly might slip in a thought or an idea that to some people will come across as um of a particular party and against another so you know as much as I appreciate people there's some people out there who are watching this podcast to be specifically like I want no politics and I like that this podcast does not do that it's like we can't I cannot promise that I was talking to Wolf earlier about how like my goal with my videos is to prevent any politics from getting in but even then uh some some get in here and there's this people who got annoyed at me for saying that um the last year I was clearly left leaning they were like it's it may be left leaning but it's terrible so I ever bring that up but I was just like but it I don't know it is it's like you know you you realize like this uh not much you can do about it but as as for this circumstance I read into more of the um the people who are against his I don't know or believe believe the fact that he's a horrible person and they were like there's a lot of stories that weren't read or in the investigation certain sources weren't listened to and thus uh guilty elements of it were ignored so that's their perspective and um as far as I was concerned was it was that there was no way near enough evidence and that's all I knew about it wasn't even a left or right thing yeah and keep in mind it doesn't matter yeah and keep in mind the only reason this was brought up is because I was explaining why I was banned from Twitter that's the other thing it wasn't because we wanted to tell all of you how it should go down it was literally just explaining that Wolf got booted off Twitter in relation to discussing that topic yeah I literally Kavanaugh would not have even come up probably if it wasn't for the fact that I got banned and people were wondering about it and if Kavanaugh was a was a was a Democrat a total regressive lefty liberal type then I would say the exact same thing absolutely doesn't has nothing to do with what is because I I disagree with a lot of the things that he thinks um he's definitely not my ideal guy but yeah it doesn't matter that that's absolutely nothing his political leaning has absolutely nothing to do with oh yeah I mean like you just the fact that he's right wing means that he probably uh has a lot of stances that I would personally disagree with I don't know much about him I never heard of him before this situation um but I still defended him uh no matter what party because she had no evidence to back up any of her claims and that's bullshit I don't think we should be destroying people's lives based off of shitty evidence or lack of evidence in general I saw a tweet and this is definitely paraphrasing and I'm not gonna say you know what just for the sake of it this could be totally made up because I can't remember it exactly but I believe Billy the fridge tweeted out that um he would rather a world where people are accused of something when they're innocent instead of letting guilty people get away with things and it's like I don't think that was the issue really it's more about ruining someone's life as you kind of just went over there but again this is um I would agree that it's actually getting into the sort of the dissemination of politics at that point instead of uh commenting on a political angle of the media that we're covering is this kind of it's really not even politics that's in question it's the social aspect of you know guilt and innocence the the political leanings either way or don't really have anything to do with it as as v put it rather well um it was social justice versus justice yeah and again we didn't necessarily even see the fact that this was a left versus right thing and I think it's going to come up uh in future there's going to be things that me will for rags will say and you guys will be like well the fuck that's totally a politics thing and then we'll be like oh it was okay um and that's just about perspective so all the point of us talking about this is to say there is not going to be zero politics on on the podcast and I'm not sure that any podcast can basically get away with that even especially ones that are really long and off the cuff and cover basically everybody on the political spectrum it's gonna come up um and hopefully that's okay because uh ultimately who cares about politics right we just want to talk about media which um speaking of which uh we did mention last time but we'll we'll twitter got banned and one of the last things he got to say on there extremely controversially was that he decided that out of killing marrying and would you want to tell this story well yeah um well first off I saw a couple people mentioned in the chat that my mic was loud I'd turn it down a bit is it spiking on your end or it looks okay for me but I can turn you down to match rags whatever I just don't want it to be okay yeah actually keep talking a second I'll just change it as you talk okay I'm talking about things I'm gonna read off the chat long as I can listen while I draw this works for me can't imagine Henry Cavill okay there we go okay okay um so yeah Jared good old Jared he made a video because he thinks he thinks that me and rags hate him for some reason I don't I don't hate Jared I could never hate Jared I would be in love with Jared it wouldn't be right so I want to flip this a little bit to let Jared know that everything is fine and that he doesn't need to be upset Jared Jared I love you there you go no homo kind of homo but not not totally so anyway he he made a there was a point in the video that I laughed my ass off at he um he said that he was really hurt by something that I said on twitter because someone asked me on twitter fuck Mary Kale ER Tommy Wiseau Jared Genesis now obviously this is a this is a partisan issue beyond all why are you why are you being political I'm sorry I if you marry one of them you endorse their politics exactly which is why I married ER because I'm an alt-right Nazi of and uh I chose to fuck Tommy because Tommy's kind of like he's kind of like Yahweh I mean if you you can't pass up fucking Yahweh and Jared's like Jesus he's just too too precious and pure yeah I mean if you kill Jesus he's gonna come back anyway so I figured you know same thing with Jared so he's had Jesus has had experience dying anyway oh yeah exactly that's why I chose Jared me because I firmly believe that after three days he will rise from the grave and transcend transcend all alphas and become a higher form of life exactly so Jared no we don't dislike you we like you you're always fun so um and yeah and so today's a lot of people concerned they think we're responding from 42 minutes onwards no we just put it here so that you have something to look at it's not just like a singular color so don't worry we'll we'll start from beginning because there's a whole bunch to go through this could be the longest e-fap in history yeah you get to we just wanted to make sure that you got to spend a long time looking at Quinton's incredibly punchable phase so that your anger could bubble and rise throughout is that a call to violence wolf was that a call to violence maybe I don't know so I hope I'm not violent against myself the history and this stretch is back so fucking far like this is this was like at the beginning of the year kind like april or may so I released the critiques on star wars then literally when I released the second one an hour after that I always remember because I got a huge influx of comments just saying I hate everything's made a video what the fuck I hate it just loads of comments but I hate everything and I was like okay I watched his video and as many of you may know I hate everything's video on star wars is like dreadful the last Jedi it's a video that just has no through line it makes no sense he's he's trying to say that everybody's being too angry which is just like at certain points but then he's also defending the film and arguing that it's better than people are saying it is and then he goes back to saying like you see people have arguments like it lacks the willhelm scream or has it and it's just like what the fuck are you doing and so the video is really bad and me and rags had met at that point and I don't know if rags got centered by me or someone else or he found on his own but he decided to make a response to it and it was uh I thought it was really good and um it was all right in in the response he links my video which was very kind of you by the way because I got a big sub boost from that it was it was very very friendly and it seems we may have ruffled feathers all that long ago and the connections are that TRO the right opinion as he's called actually proofread um I I hit everything's video which to this day be of all still caught laugh at like not laugh at because it's just I think we addressed that with a bit the actual conversation uh TRO corrected it like you do realize yeah well let's let's start though let's mention that you guys had a conversation with him and I well that's that is in the timeline we're not quite there yet because um that comes after TRO's video he um yeah okay I'll save it for that conversation then because like like he makes his video and it's like well you can see it's two hours long and um I remember watching some of it and just like the initial feeling was uh he's like going going extreme going to extreme lengths to try and prove that rags was being too cruel to I hate everything that's like the perspective I got like the leave I hate everything alone he's just sharing his opinions but obviously I don't yeah I mean I I think that the idea that you can stretch it to where I hate I hate everything is is that's I don't hate I hate everything I basically don't know anything about him other than he's a huge hypocrite when he reviews things oh yes extremely inconsistent especially when it came to the last Jedi yeah I mean the last I mean Star Wars is clearly his um it's very much at least the last Jedi more specifically is kind of in his blind spot it's it's his special pleading case and that's not like I'm not saying that that's some sort of a mark on his character that he's a bad person it's just that his video on the last Jedi was really shitty yeah and then uh we send the sins video on you is really shitty but that doesn't mean he's a bad person no I'd say he's a good guy seems very friendly and uh I was glad to have nice conversations with him which did happen with I hate everything so there was a lot of controversial shit in the comment section and I threw uh what you could call I guess you could call it a mean comment that I hate everything but the fact is it started with I had everything saying that anybody who thinks that like you can objectively analyze is childish condescending and um something else and obviously I was just like wow you're obviously just referring to me then because like that's I was in the the crux of the video throughout that and rags obviously um and I responded that like I used to actually like I hate everything a lot and I would actually consider him a sort of inspiration and I was just like well so much for that some of his videos have been really good that's that's the thing you know like his destiny to video was amazing yeah it was really well researched so you went you went really far with it it was very passionate um and so he sent me a p.m on twitter saying like fine you know if you're so sure that objective objectivity exists in art and the uh the arst Jedi is objectively bad prove it and I remember wolf just happened to be available that night I believe and he just yeah I just got off work and you were you said something to the effect of want to talk to I hate everything with me and I was like yes I was I was out I was out at the time because I remember getting your discord message for it yeah because uh I was like this is this is a pretty important conversation it's going to be the proof of whether or not I hate everything accepts objectivity in art definitely I had my phone and I was checking notifications at the table what I was out and about but I remember that yeah so he was five hours I believe the entire at least from the moment me and tiaro start talking to the end of the whole conversation I think it was five hours in total um and it went ridiculously well like me and wolf were surprised by how easy it was we used very few references and a few logical loopholes to just make I had everything come across to the idea that objectivity obviously exists in art like that was the first thing and then he said okay but it's case by case and then we were like well obviously it's case by case and then we were like so uh the last Jedi and um we did example after example after example we kept going through the plot and picking all of the biggest things the only thing we didn't get him on was Luke he wouldn't agree that Luke was uh badly handled um we brought contradictions but he kept like saying that um you know like like the typical arguments you hear in response right like uh Luke threw his lightsaber in the other film too Luke has always been tempted by the dark side and that's why he does blah blah blah so uh that didn't work out too well but we got him on loads of other topics like the the hyperdrive or Yoda's lightning or whatever else like all the different things that contradict law or other films and he we eventually it was almost a surprise I believe well if he sort of just went oh fuck okay fine the last Jedi is pretty shit we were just like oh okay like it sort of came out of doorway we were just like fine uh now what sort of sort of thing we won yeah and then um correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't listened to it since it was recorded so I've got very vague memories but I believe he said that he wished he'd never made his video on the last Jedi yeah he said he did something to that effect yeah and he also said that um uh that he kind of he would have liked to have talked to us before because he hadn't heard any good arguments against the film uh huh sure and that was fine and then I think it was like three days later he went on Sardonic Ast and said that he's still not heard a single argument against the last Jedi now to be honest if it was if it was that close maybe he uh he recorded it before he spoke to us but I sent him a PM to confirm and he was like yeah my mind's been changed because uh he well he watched a video from someone else about the last Jedi I think it was what he said to me and I was like we should talk about it sometime and he was like no I don't want to talk about Star Wars anymore and I was like yeah I'd be really surprised how you could talk with him for five hours get him to admit the movie was pretty shit and then all of a sudden he flips and then is there a reason why this conversation isn't public yeah oh obviously yeah so uh wolf was gonna make it public but then I had everything said he'd prefer not to and um yeah I asked if uh because I think you brought up like him you know making a tweet about it or something like trying to admit publicly that it happened and of course he didn't and I was like well I had it recording anyway so I can just release the full stream and people can see it and he was like no I don't want you to do that and so there's like throughout all of this there's loads of moments where it's like could respond to this video or could see if we could sort it out first in some way shape or form and um it just sort of never happened and then there was gonna be like we're gonna you know potential to to respond to this in a full video but it's kind of ridiculously long so it's it would be like a full series and it's like makes more sense to do in a stream and then uh by the time we organized when we would do it rags is streaming abilities basically got nuked for reasons we still haven't figured out I currently for reasons I do not know and YouTube has been unable to help me with at the moment I can't stream this isn't because my channel has been restricted or because it's been struck or I've broken the rules in any way my channel is in perfect standing and I'll regards this seems to be an issue with YouTube and how it interacts with my computer specifically I believe but I will I will try new things as I am able to and hopefully I'll be able to get streaming back up and running but that's the reason why we're not streaming this on my channel right now and why you haven't seen a stream in a while yeah like it seems ridiculous but there are reasons why it's taken this long to respond to this video it's like a series of loads of different things going on in fact yeah we tried to do this like a month ago yeah and uh I have been speaking to TRO as well and I would go as far as saying he's a friend of mine uh but the problem is I don't know he he's a bit indecisive about this whole thing he's I've made him aware that we're responding to us today so he's gonna get messages about it and that we have no intention of holding back punches in response to punches because the fact is he made this before he knew me so and it's still up so obviously he's uh he's gonna have to own it at this point and um it's gonna take several shots at rags from from what I remember too um but he I have I spoke to him for a while and he was open to the idea of chopping out lots of this video that's inaccurate but um he's decided that that would give the impression that he's walking back on his perspective as a whole and so he would rather not do that and instead leave the whole thing up and so we respond to potentially the whole thing and then it's it's you know potentially done the fact is like after this is done there's a good chance you know maybe who knows what will happen that TRO could come on to the next podcast and maybe we could uh sort out bad blood if there is some um and I think it's the Quinton aspect really lends itself a lot yeah I can say now Quinton's in trouble with me like I've told TRO this I was like I've offered so many fucking times to build a bridge with Quinton and he just keeps refusing and then keeps sniping and he's he really uh pissed me off in this video like I've seen main sections I've already written out my response to him for my uh the end of my tfa critique but obviously here today we'll be able to do a full response which I'll probably link when I eventually do that series as well which it's on its way I swear so anyway that is the history we're caught right up and as you guys know it takes us often like an hour to get through 10 minutes of content on YouTube so we're gonna try our best so we'll be here until we just are fucking bored I've already I already mentioned it to Mahler I ordered pizza and timed it for two hours from now so yeah or no actually it's gonna be an hour from now that's what I before we got on I told Mahler I ain't gonna eat like a big ass lunch because we're gonna be here for a while oh and of course long long while for anyone who's like this is stupid like this is old this blah blah like like seriously just there'll be a there'll be an e-fap next week it'll be back to normal you could just give this one a skip if it's not your thing obviously and also if it's I don't know when you ask people what's old on the internet some people will say a week is old some people say a month is old three months a year if it's still up and you still believe it then it doesn't matter when it came out honestly absolutely um maybe if you go back years and years and years yeah sure but this ain't this ain't like that unfortunately I need to take a quick rest and take a quick quick pay go for it Wolf is anything you want to do go for it I'll read out some super chats and then we'll pretty much just go yeah I'll just stick right here but whamen don't lie about rape ever right guys I mean there's the thing uh there's actual proven stories about uh women who've actually haven't gone some of them gone to jail for um falsely accusing I believe this I read some articles about that like that's actually happened so precedent exists I suppose of that sort of thing yeah I can't think of any case but I you know I would expect that wasn't it wasn't another one with the Rolling Stone magazine that ran a story that ended up being false from a lady claiming that I believe uh it doesn't matter I'm not really familiar with that story nice to see the fairies abducting the skull again shame I can't catch this live more often it's all right they'll all be uh what do you call it archived guys netflix uh netflix witcher casting thoughts I don't even know what the casting is beyond a few things that wolf said what what are your comments wolf uh don't like Henry Cavill is Geralt uh I haven't really been paying much attention after they're like let's just hire anyone that is not white for this character that is white and I was like okay well I don't care about the witcher show anymore then I mean you're still probably gonna watch it though right uh I'm I might just like I don't know I don't hate it and the um and then they had the whole thing with uh the refugee thing the what what like refugees aren't illegal or something like that all the writers had that picture on twitter that they posted oh I remember oh that one yeah like people aren't illegal or some shit like that uh big fan more keep doing doing fans of wolf and rags as well although wolf does sound like he's on the verge of dying in all of his videos I am thank you uh you guys might want to check out the jarred genesis wiki somebody added a new segment you guys find it may find interesting especially rags and wolf I wonder if it's like something to do with the video he made I don't know I hope it's nice I hope he's nice and he I hope all as well I love every time you guys use a drunken peasants meme thanks for the awesome streams there's a thing me and wolf used to watch uh a lot of drunken peasants I never watched drunken peasants so any memes you get from me will be uh purely coincidental it's funny because uh mauler we were talking about like uh that we were there stream we were both watching that live but we didn't know each other then yeah yeah it's crazy to think about there was some fucking epic moments on uh drunken peasants in their in their heyday or pry about it oh yes back when they were still a thing uh this is where the fun begins have you heard of doom cock his channel is called overlord dvd he's a fan of mauler and tassana wolf and wants to do a podcast with the two of you I have good news I am currently in dm's with him to sort out him coming on this podcast so we are you'll you'll be seeing him and apparently he wants me on his channel as well so there you go dude I looked up the jarred genesis wiki and all I had to do was type in jarred gen in auto uh film and genesis wiki good let's see I want to see what this new entry is also constant people like just right saying movies aren't bad if they like them that makes every movie good then that's his logic pretty much he said that like yeah it's it's so strange that somebody who's supposed to be analyzing what good writing is and praising good writing is like oh yeah if it makes feel good excuse anything's fine fuck it everything's great it's all magical mm-hmm uh take my shackles now release the hide everything debate people are gonna keep saying it uh the there are some people like you keep reference again it's like it's like mean to hide everything it's like if it's in the context but we need to explain it to explain a question or a history hopefully after this it's just done I mean we won't even need to reference it ever again yeah um but that's the thing it's like one of those things you keep in your back pocket depending on how someone behaves I mean you could definitely look at it as like a it's a safety it's like yeah it's like if some if they go out and say something that just isn't true then you have the proof and uh I didn't know it was recorded myself but I'm absolutely okay with it being released I don't know I don't know if there's any law we should be considered with with it because it's a combination of three different countries at the same time so again it's a complicated thing but again we we don't mean to bring it up to keep shitting on I hate everything I still actually think the guy is he's a nice guy from from the conversation I had with him he's just a little bit I don't know easy to change his mind it seems like that's the only thing I could get from it if me and Wolf was surprised by how quickly he changed his mind I don't need to change your back again it's just like okay um he seemed friendly you know I'd be interested to see the uh the argument that apparently changed his mind back that would be interesting I can't remember what video it was but we could cover it on a e-fap sometime if I could yeah if you have it yeah absolutely if I check my dm history with him I should be able to find it so uh maybe we'll set that up for next time yeah because um everyone we've looked at is awful how is it the wolf gets banned from twitter but Ben Shapiro still has his account he pisses off way more people daily yeah but hate speech or something wolf said hate speech because wolf used the r word didn't you yeah wolf yeah you didn't well I did oh you did oh yeah yeah that's the thing when I make tweets now I know like don't say retard don't say certain words because they'll just yeah those things will get picked up and yeah and then you lose you lose your right to uh interact on twitter which you know that's the way it is I suppose which is lame which is lame I love you wolf more than rags and there we go are you folks ready to start this epic abortion yes I'll say as well have you guys watched tiaro videos at all no so I watched a couple of them but I think I told you like it was the first yeah the editing kind of got to the point where it was overbearing and I it's sporadic and inconsistent because he hires different editors sometimes he hires editors geez well hires is I don't I don't know if he pays them I can't remember if he pays them but there'll be like five editors on one video laid labor it's I think it's like a friend deal I think he said in one of his videos recently that he plans to basically promote them all once he's popular and that'll be you know sort of but obviously they're not forced to it's their choice and he's good friends of them all but the thing is it does make his videos a little uh jarring really bobby oh he does this is the thing about you know this is clearly a style choice for tiaro but man does he talk too fast and the verbiage is a bit um how should I put this what's the opposite of a layman um pretentious oh rags already already throwing punches a I know you just asked for a word I just I was throwing the word out I don't know very well I appreciate it I just some of his videos I've genuinely watched finished and thought you know what I've actually learned a lot about that subject and I think that was well constructed like he did one recently on the animation story time community thing and like I had no idea what was going on with that and then I watched it was like shit man that was a great breakdown but then there are some videos where I struggle to grasp what the point of the video was overall the first time I ever heard of him was at the end of the I had everything video when it was like this was proofread by this guy and I'm like so what proofread this he did oh so that's something I bet you see he clarified would be a wolf he didn't proofread it in the he didn't make sure the arguments were solid he proofread it in that the made the grammar correct I believe is what he said oh so it's like okay it's still a bit funny to have the right opinion part I guess all right yeah yeah anyway I had I have that's thing I had nothing against the right opinion I just thought it was kind of funny that you got a guy named I hate our the right opinion to proofread for you I just thought that was kind of like but maybe he took it personally yeah um just two more I'll get two super chats out of the way just in case they get a pile up while we try and respond to this but you guys familiar with the lawful masses channel he just did a video about a high schooler who is suing a group of girls who destroyed his life with false claims of sexual assault never hit it good good yeah uh if yeah good um that shouldn't be tolerated I know that's a partisan issue apparently well that's yeah that's the interesting thing it's like of course that sounds like justice trying and attempting to be saved there but there are some people who might I don't know feel frustrated at that comment so who knows we'll find out in the comments section being male is political well these are the people who say that everything is political so I know it would probably never happen but what would an e-fap sardonic cast crossover look like I don't know I don't even know that you can have a coherent podcast with six people at once one of them are welcome to come whenever they wish to e-fap absolutely we'll I would love to have yms or anybody come on that'd be great we'll see we'll have a gaol time yeah especially because yms was in the chat and everything when we were going over the video by um Patrick will it was it was Patrick yeah the plot hole one I think um and yeah and any three of us would probably I imagine happily going on their podcast but again I can't really see a six person podcast working yeah it's a lot uh rags wolf thoughts on mollus sona being a fox skeleton I've seen all the movies y'all have famously not seen but all seen the fifth element I have no I love the fifth element fox gallon oh that's the the fan are they talking about I don't even know if you guys have seen that the fox skeleton no I think that's what they're talking about actually I'm not gonna pick your uh pick your spirit animal but I have seen fifth element have you guys seen that yes very good movie I have not seen it no oh man it is so good we'll watch it later I was waiting for rags to be like how could you not see it I was like rags don't that would have been strange I'm surprised but oh it'll be great you'll love it it's so good you know I I saw a comment in the chat moller I showed you like a bunch of the comments this guy made on the last defab where he was like so he really really does not like me he's convinced I'm racist okay he's in the chat and he made a comment uh wolf makes a video in support of the racist at charlottesville but he claims he's not a racist I think you need to read the racist because I I don't think that people it's like you go on twitter and you say I don't think that people left or right should be oppressed for their opinions and I get called like you're not it's like I I just think it's funny because he he clearly did not listen to that video because I at no point said oh yeah these racists are great guys it's like no I don't think you watch that video but it's just funny it's funny to see like how much he really really hates me like genuinely all three of us you'll see it in the videos because the chat's gonna be in all the videos there's people who really hate either rags will for me singularly and they'll come to these streams just to I'm not going to say just to hate but just to try and leave comments where they're like that'll sting that'll give so it's like yeah it brings me joy it brings me joy we're fucking out you know everyone all over the dab planet claims wolf is racist this is like a fine whatever it's like okay I'm just gonna say it if you think I'm racist you're fucking retarded you don't know what racism is it's kind of embarrassing isn't it you know how they do guilt by association you'd be like wait wolf voted for bernie sanders does that mean racist support bernie sanders now no it means that wolf doesn't think white people know what it's like to be poor which is drifted into politics thanks to the chat now it's not even our fault you brought you brought up bernie sanders that's true but it was supposed to be in defense of uh of uh wolf all that racist yeah that racist yeah so anyway we're doing good for ramblin by the way 35 minutes and we've not started the video we laid the foundation for great great star we gotta you know we gotta start it up because we're gonna be here all day all right all right here we go here we go hello ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right pinion the home of a twat with too much free time and it's been a while yes i've been busy understandably so so you got this segment edited by coleo is cooled so that's why it'll like each section is going to be a bit different from the next sort of thing okay this video was quite the undertaking but i wanted to give it some sort of waste i hope i do a while back i hate everything made a video on star wars i won't say much more because we're going to be addressing a lot of that very soon it was one of his more controversial releases for many reasons i'm ready to dispute it was a youtube by the name of rax now that's appears to be a creator who talks about a mix of media and politics particularly with the leaning into the entertainment industry which is an interesting genre without a doubt going on a show i like dogs and i like dildos so we're practically best mates at this point all joking aside i'd only heard of rax once before the video we'll be speaking about today i'm a bit more out of the loop of the political community than i let on but it was when he had a twitter account and some artists refused to work for him because of a couple of people he was associated with although it's perfectly reasonable to say that it's the artist's prerogative of who they want to do the work for it's still very personal and indicative of the state of the political community that we really have that much passionate distaste for someone we'd rather not serve them because of their friends or opinions i think uh video solid so far that sounds about right i'm glad he didn't go the whole route of so because some people took that tweet of that i said they weren't allowed to do art for me when i was like no i'm just pointing out how fucking ridiculous it was and petty so i'm i'm glad he got the the right opinion there compared to criticize rags may be pretty harshly i would still offer him the time of a day because to me content does not define the person but that's why the right opinion is actually a friend if you will and uh him and rags may very well get to have a conversation someday but obviously this is the kind of thing where my dms have always been open like tiaro doesn't have any connection to me or rags before making this video so he you could argue that some mistakes may not have been made had that that been the case so it's it's a small reprieve but it's still gonna have to deal with what he says as i said that was my only experience with him so i went into the video with a fairly fresh mind on rags obviously i had my opinions on the film i thought it was okay i'm probably someone who fell in the middle of the consensus i liked some elements and hated others i felt it was a prospectively great film that fucked up too much impressive but frustrating so it understandably provoked strong feelings and a lot of viewers particularly ones who fell on either side because it definitely took risks but i don't consider it bad by any means especially considering my in the back huh i don't like this music in the back i have a you know the idea is like a film takes risks i've always just been like what does that even mean it's like it takes risks would it be that would it is force awakens considered safe is that the difference like either it takes risks or it's safe i guess the thing is that man yeah the force awakens is safe the last jedi i don't even think it was risk because i think it was it's almost like saying that it took a risk was one of those post hoc sorts of things i mean like oh it was taking risks my perspective on this whole thing is like if it was a movie about a poop that got farted out whatever pooped out would that be a risky film would you be able to say hey man it took risks it's like to basically get support was like what is taking risks really matter if that's if that's what gets you into that you know category i mean i can i can in a way i can sympathize with the sincerity of being original yeah but i don't know a risk to me is more like um will people sit through a film that is three scientists in a room working on something and that's the entire film i'd be like hmm like what do they do what yeah you know what i mean it's like that does seem characters what are they doing what's the like you could you maybe you could say that's risky because audiences won't really respond to something like that typically like i could see that conversation but i don't know last jedi is a risk i think that like i think that kind of bothers me about like the whole risk argument is like they come at it whenever they bring up like oh it took risks they always say that is though that's inherently a good thing like as a defense of the film in some way yeah it's like i don't care if it took risks if the risks it took were like shitty and led to the movie being terrible then the risks don't mean anything that doesn't that's not a point of endearment if you're yeah you could you can say that we ruined luke skywalker as a character that was a risk we decided that was a risk that that doesn't that doesn't exactly that that's not an excuse to cushion the criticism yeah oh if we because it was a risk if all we got to do is say yes it did take risks and fine it doesn't it's not a point of quality at all for me though yeah i mean just he took the risk of giving the last jedi over to a really inexperienced writer and filmmaker who's made like one kind of decent movie and that's all that he has to his name don't confuse controversy with just risk taking i mean you know jackass as a series they're all taking risks you can't accept that even if it is like drinking whole semen's risky yeah i mean and there are risks that were good like um the lord of the rings uh peter jackson was known for like little crazy horror movies with zombies and shit and he was given the rights to make the movie to adapt the what is one of the best books ever written and you don't find people say you know why lord of the rigs is good because it was a risk is like no you just talk about how good it is you don't need to say that it's a risk yeah they took a risk and he made a great movie and we appreciate the movie because it's so great we don't appreciate it because peter jackson was the one that got the reins yeah it maybe has to do something with somebody going into something knowing that what they're gonna do could be controversial but doing it anyway yeah like really having a clear understanding of how it will be received instead of choosing something they know would make money they choose something that could potentially damage their own career just just making um just making something original does not count as a risk yeah it's a complicated thing i don't even consider the last Jedi that risky i don't think you can't really make as long as it just has some of the things that people can connect to it's gonna make money because it's the sequel to force awakens it has the word star wars on it i mean there was a remember there was a point in time where you could put star wars on something and people didn't go uh that was a year ago thank you solo you helped that environment so much uh and i admit that star wars rebel show or whatever it is oh god yeah a lot of people have been very upset with resistances oh it looks a look yeah it looks fucking awful yeah the it's a kid show that plays at 10 p.m on sunday yeah boy this is such a strange uh i don't even know what you call it like the time slot yeah anyway uh we should probably head back to tarot phones for the Amish is it again like a normal standards of cinema in i hate everything's video as ihc testified i'd conducted a comb through for any syntactic issues and made some amendments for the grass the structure i don't touch the points he actually makes but the content didn't jump out to me as particularly provocative and it didn't when i watched the video either my only feedback to him at the time was that the delivery was a bit subdued apart from the rather over the top segment at the end nonetheless i thought it was mostly fine not my favorite but it didn't irritate me others clearly felt otherwise rags being one of them from now i will be responding to rags points and trying to make sense of how such points have arisen i will disagree with rags at multiple times throughout this video as you will see soon and as i actually had no plans to respond himself i thought i'd have a crack so without further ado let's get to it you made a bad video rags piece of shit you know that right opinions voice i'm pretty sure my fingers are falling off one of the editors computer person claims so we all have a strong disdain for rags's voice oh um well there we go so there shouldn't be i don't know if there should be an apostrophe yes after me uh but there should be one oh yeah i'm pretty sure with how english works right opinions you know right opinion apostrophe yes since you know since syntactic errors or hey man tiaro can't catch all of them he's only he's only so good he opens announcing that i hate everything made a really bad video and i'm gonna respond to it because it's a really bad video however before this he precursors it with the fact that he doesn't watch much i hate everything at all but he does introduce destiny too which he will not be showing any clips from but we'll bring the general topic up to make a similar point a fair few times throughout this video after a few light hearted jokes and what i assume is the intro he gets into the eye yeah there was a reason i did that with the um i'm pretty sure he's gonna get to it okay rags initiates by calling iha star wars apologist oh is that what you call yourself you call yourself a star wars fan no no no you're not what i'd call a star wars fan i'd call you a star wars apologist now this is bathed in the sardonic tone obtained by a lot of these commentators and look the avatar is pulling his glasses down so it's not to be taken too seriously it's the whole video like this well this is like i'm sure is this is this gonna be the whole fucking video this is the problem i've watched the whole video and yeah it gets much worse when um what's this fucking stupid ass name um quintan is it quintan yeah it gets much worse when he comes in so so uh just just you know relish this moment of somewhat sanity because he understands that an apologist is like a fan plus is like a christian apologist is a fan of christianity it's just being more specific about the way that they carry themselves and the arguments that they make i think yeah that's the thing we all know what an apologist is and it's like oh you called him that without him agreeing to that label just like yeah but he's like i don't need him to yeah but i was gonna say the reason this for me the whole video doesn't work properly is um when i responded to h barma guy he made a video essay in the he structured it into segments he had evidence and he had references so i could do that back to him i can take his references and just you know disseminate how exactly they were constructed and figure out what parts he's left out blah blah blah what's happened here is i hit everything rambled on to a microsoft weird document and then he put visuals to it because there's no way he spent more than i want to say two scripts on that thing because i hit everything admitted the video itself doesn't really have a like you said a flow it's not it's very confused it's it's him sharing his feelings on star wars so then rags responds with his feelings on i hit everything's feelings and now we've got someone who's taking an extremely analytical approach to feelings about feelings yeah that's one of the reasons that i like doing responses to people is because it kind of comes with a pre-built structure even if what you're responding to isn't really structured in and of itself it's you have a base to work off of and you pretty much just respond to whatever is happening on that other video the other video could be about 10 different random topics with no segways no good connections but you can still do a response to it because that is still for you the structure of what the video is you're making and it's not for the original it's not that we can't take what rags says and find out if it's truly accurate in in whatever context but you're going to get stuff like this where he's like you have claimed that he's an apologist when in the initial statement he said he was a fan and now so he's probably going to go on because i'm pretty i did see the opening half an hour so but that was like half a year ago so i'm pretty sure he goes on like does he say like what defines a fan and then what defines an apologist it's just like it was a bit of a throwaway comment and you've already agreed that rags is using a form of his avatar that implies you're you're being coy almost so it's not like you're making a declarative statement in a courtroom yeah i mean i think what he needs to understand is that an apologist is somebody who just basically offers arguments and defense of something i mean that's that's just what it is it's really not that much of a i mean the word can carry baggage depending on how it's applied but all it is is a person who offers arguments and defense of something and that's that's it so it's really like i'm an apologist for pc gaming i'm an apologist for liberal values is apologist is it like the actual definition of it i've never actually looked is it like here let me look is in negative connotations it can because um there's like apologetics for religion and things like that a person offers an argument in defense of something controversial yeah that's not even a bad word then like if i would count myself as an apologist for many things yeah we're all apologists for things now apologetics is it kind of has a negative connotation because of a lot of like christian or muslim or a lot of basically religious apologetics because i was just gonna say like um i'm an apologist for the last year i being awful and rags uh i hate everything it's the other side of the aisle yeah this just seems like a strange point to get straight a strange start yeah however this set the president's very particular narrative throughout the rest of this video so to respond to this point quickly i achieved a non-enjoy the prequels so to imply that he is simply in love with everything feels inaccurate i'll just um back and forth um i i i guess that's arguably fair but i i suppose do you need rags to clarify that he's an apologist for new star wars yeah the last i didn't even think about like prequels when i said that the last people came out in 2005 i believe yeah i i have no idea what i hate everything feels about any other star wars film other than the last Jedi really and honestly that doesn't matter because when he was defending the last Jedi he was being an apologist for star wars if you want me to be more specific at star wars the last Jedi but whatever he's got you there rags or between these times down where specific and rags and i actually do not say anything particularly of value other than rags sarcastically and planting the expectation that i actually must have really hated the last Jedi i really adore the original trilogy warts and all oh so if you really like the original trilogy then you must have really hated the last jedi right we get this very curious comment your film's like i don't know 2001 a space odyssey and the deer hunter or excellent well-made movies but to me at least they're not the kind of thing that i throw on on a cold sunday afternoon for a bit of fun light-hearted entertainment is that what you see the last jedi is fun light-hearted entertainment that's fine if you do there's nothing wrong with you considering it that it just strikes me as odd that you would open this video by praising the original trilogy when one of the huge reasons that people hate the last jedi so much is how disrespectfully it treats and tries to emulate the original trilogy when i choose talking about the yeah i was gonna say i'm following along so far everything's fine yeah i don't um yeah i think what i said was pretty reasonable like i just don't like the music in the background yeah the music's not only too loud but seems a little bit inappropriate but hey that's just me yeah i mean i even say pretty blunt pretty upfront that it's fine if you feel that way about the movie tries to emulate the original trilogy when ig is talking about the old star wars movies he throw on a sunday afternoon rax suddenly translates this to a comment about the last jedi and cuts him with numerous yeah the the connection is if you enjoy and unlike the originals it's it's interesting to consider that because the new ones actively contradict a bit yeah yeah it's not because of the prequels that we hate episode eight it's because of the originals that we hate episode eight yeah yeah it's very strange i think that yeah i think the connections between the last jedi and how it relates to the original should be pretty clear i know that later on certainly he's like why do you have to bring in the last jedi when he's talking about the originals that seems like unnecessary it's like well i mean this this the video he's responding to is about loving the last or defending the last jedi and he's opening with i love the originals it's like i think it's relevant isn't it yeah it seems really relevant i don't know what his issue is actually hey it's doing it i just uh just to say it uh this is the fastest we've ever gotten through four minutes and 21 seconds i think you were right wolf the fact that he's gonna play clips for me and rags it'll make it much easier because we can just be like yep okay this is like an immediate response first time i may understand why someone would do that because we don't know if aiichi is gonna talk about the last jedi in respect to the old movies again in the video however in this instance aiichi does and i assume rax has watched this before because he opens it up declaring it as a bad video he states that he would be surprised if aiichi would like it as fun lighthearted so to clarify he's saying that if you'd watch the whole video you would know that i hate everything liking the originals is like i can't remember what he just said is it relevant or not relevant to the conversation that should have changed whether or not you just said what you said so i just want to catch that again what is this evidence and one of the huge reasons that people hate the last jedi so much is how disrespectfully it treats and tries to emulate when aiichi is talking about the old star wars movies he throw on a sunday afternoon rax suddenly translates this to a comment about the last jedi and cuts in with numerous arguments now it's on's doing an immediate response first time yeah yeah because this video is about the last jedi wait he's halfway through he's about to explain why it is that you shouldn't have said when aiichi is talking about the old star wars movies he throw on a sunday video and that's the part that i'm interested in rax suddenly translates this to a comment about the last jedi and cuts in with numerous arguments now it's on's doing an immediate response first time i may understand why someone would do that because we don't know if aiichi is going to talk about the last jedi in respect to the old movies again in the video however in this instance aiichi does and i assume rax has i if i have everything does then what rax said was relevant yeah i don't i don't see exactly i'm not following yeah i'm not following either opens it up declaring it as a bad video he states that he would be surprised if aiichi would like it as fun light hearted entertainment given a lot of the fam response and then references the audience score on rott and tomatoes and draws in ductacle no he references the fact that audiences were that's evidence that audiences did not like it more so than any other star wars film and then the reasoning rags provided was spitting on the originals yeah you get an audience score for 184 000 ratings and it's at a 48 percent that's a pretty divisive movie and like you know it's it's not it's not a it's not an argument for the the film being terrible it's an argument for the film being divisive yeah and yeah and well you you you qualified what you said you you that's proof people didn't like it and then you provided reasoning which was spitting on the originals which is relevant to i hit everything saying he loves the originals and yet he loves the new one that's that's your question or yeah and yeah i'm pretty much just saying it's curious all of that follows to me like this is a bit sense to me yeah i'm confused exactly what the point is conclusion for why people didn't enjoy it it just strikes me as odd that you would open this video by praising the original trilogy when one of the huge reasons that people hate the last Jedi so much is how disrespectfully it treats the fact that you've you've covered your ass as well you said it strikes me as odd you didn't say yeah i think that is odd and that's the thing you haven't said this is definitively incorrect i hate everything you've literally said i find it odd yeah i mean i don't have a feeling that you find it odd tioro like wouldn't that wouldn't someone who says like i really love terminator too also i really love terminator genesis it wouldn't even matter if he didn't because you you've let you've let him know with that language that this is something you feel this is how it comes across to you yeah and what's he gonna do prove that you don't feel it it's like no i guess beats and tries to emulate the original trilogy or just straight up copy it i'll address this point in the near future he then does the exact same thing again because at this point i actually is talking about star wars as a premise and rags is assigning this as i actually opinion on the last Jedi before he's even stated his opinion i actually refers to star wars as a general concept not a specific movie because but he just admitted that if rags has seen the whole video then he would be able to respond to it as such and he just established that rags has seen the whole video therefore any statement i hear everything makes at the beginning rags can comment in relation to the conclusion which is i hear everything likes last shed i know i can't remember what my order was generally for videos i can't remember whether each specific video was made after i've watched the whole thing or i've watched a certain amount and there's enough to go by with just what i've watched generally a lot of times videos are made over a period of days and days but i don't know i don't know i don't exactly know what his point is he then does the exact same thing again because at this point i actually is talking about star wars as a premise and rags is assigning this as i actually his opinion on the last Jedi before he's even stated his opinion i actually refers to star wars as a general concept not a specific movies because as stated earlier he hates the prequel so this run of responses just seems like a waste of time and yes he does go on to say that he likes the last Jedi but wouldn't criticize rags for wasting time i don't think we should be in that position yeah to a viewer who's never watched the source material they would not understand this and because you show all the source material i assume you're trying to make this appeal to all audiences whether they've watched the igh video or not rags then points out no i'm not when i make videos i don't try to appeal to a particular audience i just i just get in front of a microphone and stuff that i feel and then the audience comes afterwards crazy right that you play the whole video crazy crazy idea that is i don't i mean some people do that and it's fine to like target a specific demographic but i don't do that no it's just the audience that comes is the audience that comes i think it's part of the reason why me and you get along really well as we both sort of approach it that way we like to sort of keep the entire context and respond to it piece by piece in a way and a lot of people will be like you take the one point that you have and respond to it that's how you make a video and it's like that's not how i make a video yeah but i just want to clarify what he said this didn't sound right to star wars as a general concept not a specific movies because as stated earlier he hates the prequel so this run of responses just seems like a waste of time and yes he does go on to say that he likes the last Jedi but to a viewer who's never watched the source material they would not understand this and because i think most people knew the lot of the i hate everything people who are watching rags's video the majority of them are going to have seen i hate everything's video because that's why they would have been watching it uh rags's audience were very aware of the star wars stuff anyway and uh as you stated earlier rags has already started treating this analysis as if he knows that he likes the last Jedi because he does know it's very strange because that's i hate everything's videos so yeah it's a bit i guess i kind of both it's it's my bad for not clarifying what the other person's position is beforehand i guess he wants you to treat it as though we haven't discovered whether or not i hear everything likes the film yet even though we all know that and that's part of the reason why you wanted to respond to the video was that he took liking it into defending it as good okay but yeah i don't know it's a bit weird because you show all the source material i assume you're trying to make this appeal to all audiences where they've watched the itch video or not i mean i wouldn't even make it appeal to all audiences anyway no yeah i mean i i just want to i just want to show everything so it's there and the link to the originals there so that i mean it just i just respond to the whole video i just keep going i mean i think a lot of the times when people make videos and they have people edit this and they right because i don't this this video isn't scripted i don't script no you don't know i'm just like i just respond to something that happens and i think a lot of the times maybe people i'm not saying this is what zero is doing but it's a possibility that when people do have a very structured way of going about videos they assume whether people do too like i like they assume that i've watched the whole video and then i've scripted it out and then i've proof read it and then i've gone over it again and i've looked at these points but no it's i mean all this stuff is pretty much just off the cuff that's kind of what i was getting at like he's breaking you down very analytically when you've i don't know i'm not sure if he's maybe he's on a way that you did this off the cuff maybe i don't know i mean you do you do well off the cuff for exist maybe that's a part of your curse people will assume that you scripted it and researched it well people do um people all the time ask me about scripting and i tell them i don't script and they're kind of shocked but no i don't i don't really script no never for stuff like this rags then points out rightfully itch's comment about the death threats is unsubstantiated so why is it that i'm still getting death threats and hate comments oh fuck oh i hate it when people ever use it it's so annoying me rags and wolf get death threats just if anybody was wondering the internet gets death threats everybody on the internet gets mean comments everybody on the internet who's a big name who has a lot of who is a big audience who has opinions they get they ruffle feathers that's just the nature of it and it has been that way since the beginning of perpetuity itself and if you i that's that's that's he's probably going to go into it in a second but the whole reason that i bring this up is because i'm like i hate everything you are a huge channel and you've been on the internet for long enough to know that this is how the internet is so don't give me that boo-hoo bullshit yeah sorry mr sarkeesian but i'm not i'm not gonna hang on to your little pity party here how about we go death threats he's like upset the people want him to die because he likes the force awakens it's like people get upset if you i'd say you should die if you didn't like the force awakens what does it matter yeah i mean jesus i mean i was it's just you've got to show a bit of tough skin here it's just you're talking about a movie and obviously the anonymous people on the internet are gonna say mean things about you it was like so what being adult jeez i'm pretty sure you you respond this way so let's see how he responds to your response and then we'll respond to his response to your response to i hate everything to to the movie that it'll completely make sense tell us in the comments how you see the force awakens yeah i remember my first week on the internet really sorry to hear about those totally credible death threats that you got sent anita although it's likely that you get a few when you pull that many views but that is assumed anyway and i g should have elaborated more on this it's understood not anything exceptional but then rags refers to i g as anita this is obviously talking about serial victim anita sarkeesian and this is an important point that we shall hold on to although it just seems throw away at this moment he then attacks i g as pulling the boo who woe is me cuts i was gonna throw my hat into the raveness never ending black hole that his opinions on the last jedi long before this but for too long i just felt too beat down and disappointed to say i'm sorry i can't listen to that not go oh yeah that's that's him going boo who absolutely it is i h he's going oh i'm not sure what the purpose of him saying it is i guess he's just trying to explain why he was so late to the party yeah but that yeah absolutely he is absolutely he is saying a thing gosh we're pulling the boo who woe is me card pretty quick don't you think especially for a channel called i hate everything when really i just felt that i h he was expressing his own problems and why he hadn't reviewed it sooner if that's how he felt that's how he felt he's not asking for your sympathy not everyone said we're not asking for your approval of our feelings on his feelings yeah sorry but you can't play that card for i hit everything and not rags that's that's another problem with this video it works both ways rags gets to say what he thinks about that yeah and when you're i h e and you say some of you are gonna love me and some of you are gonna hate me is like fuck off grow up it's like come on get on with it it's just like yes yeah you can literally say that water is a drink and there's gonna be someone out there like that's fucking stupid no it's a fluid it takes the shape of exactly it's just like yeah you can't this and star wars of course is going to be maybe a more corrosive subject because of the fact that it's a huge fan base with completely shifting ideas all the time but again this doesn't not happen in star trek or fucking lord of the rings especially with the new series is going to come out um i'm just i was going to say like this pretty much applies to just every franchise that's big yeah it's just inevitable people people fight over this stuff because that's what i mean this is the thing is like i it's i don't know much about i h he's content but the feeling that i get from it is that he doesn't often he spends a lot of time going after easy targets so when he goes after something that's really divisive like he's really bracing himself for something some people might think you're being unfair to say that but like rum that's the impression i get he's he went after bigmouth which is typically looked at as terrible he went after love island which is one of the like most shitty tv shows that are like reality tv shows in britain i was even surprised he took that on then he got um the destiny to the destiny destiny two thing destiny two was getting shot on significantly even the first one was getting a huge amount of flak i mean they both were i mean those were pretty easy targets to make and then i mean and this is without looking at his channel i made this video thinking that i wouldn't get a lot of flak for it of course i knew i would oh i know he's made a video on um what's that depression show um three thirteen reasons why yeah yeah and that's generally by most people looked at as a good show it's it's not a good show and he goes through all the reasons why it's a shit show i think he has 13 reasons why doesn't he it's like the way that i ate everything went into this video and the stuff that he said in the way that he said it absolutely gave me the impression that he was trying to temper what would all what he already knew was coming and that he almost was ready he almost had a foot out of the door already like it's just my opinion and that means that the done some of you're gonna hate me is like uh i am i was gonna say evil Loch Ness it's like my favorite uh commenter he's he's like the heckler of the he called you racist a bit ago rags but uh he just came in with we take 30 minutes to talk about five minutes of video and yet we say get on with it to people yes um i i i guess i should explain we're doing a podcast and uh this is a video from someone who is scripted and it's an analysis we're doing a podcast video are different pre-scripted and we're the pot we talk about stuff as friends right it's a different it's a little bit different but i can understand the confusion it's okay but it's not a racist but i do need to pull this water bottle so i need to defend my non-racistness but i like laughed randomly earlier and it was because i just read a quote where he was like i don't watch i haven't seen this video because rags is a racist i was just like what okay it's such a friend and it's like you know i get it for for rags and wolf all the time it still happens for me because i criticize black panther but it's just so it's so indicative of the internet like we're come on we're we're friends with fringy he's green yeah that is true and we and we talked to appabend appabend promised us that things would be different after he came on yeah he he gave us his brown seal of approval exactly in his own problems and why he hadn't reviewed it sooner if that's how he felt that's how he felt he's not asking for your sympathy not everyone's saying that they've been feeling down it's immediately doing that especially when it's embedded within reasonable context and the context in this is why he hasn't made a video sooner i choose a youtuber who wears his heart in his sleep it's not unusual of him to admit that he's emotionally vulnerable i don't think anything rags says contradicts what you just said rags is simply saying the pointing it out this is hang on a second he's not it's not like i hate everything said i've been anxious about this and i've got personal things to deal with and that's why i couldn't release the video he literally said that like oh it's just so i mean we could go back to the clip but i'm pretty sure he basically goes over how star wars is an environment where this it's just like you don't want to get into that sort of thing like it's just like oh man i was gonna do it but man that is a that is a toxic environment and this is a little bit of inference that rags wouldn't even be able to have reference for because rags has admitted that he doesn't actually watch i had everything's channel he's responding to this video so to be like you see he's made a video on anxiety so you should realize that he's talking in reference to that it's like well then he probably should have mentioned that like if i had everything said i suffer from anxiety and that's been pulling me away from being able to make this video because i don't want to deal with what comes next would be like that would be and the thing is i made a video that kind of had the that had the similar sound similar tone to a boogie and it's unlisted right now yeah didn't you uh special reason for a while huh didn't you stream with boogie and like yeah it was actually on the the scroll bar at the beginning of the the video when he was going through my videos but yeah i did but yeah i had a really good stream with him and talks to him and i like to think that we're on good terms uh but yeah uh there's a way to go about that and i stand by what i said in that video you know at the time especially but it's unlisted right now for some special reasons but there's a way to go about that uh i had everything is new his what he's done this before in his depression video for example my body literally cannot take it anymore and i feel that making a video essay explaining how anxiety affects me will not only help why are you rags there's no reference for this and it's not referenced in the actual video this is like i was like i'm not gonna give i'm not gonna listen whenever i respond to somebody i'm not gonna go into their psychological issues or their anxiety issues i'm not gonna give them a fucking physical if they say things then i don't if they say a thing in a video i don't care what their physical element is i will respond to the thing that they said in their video yeah and i'm not even sure what you're trying to say here it's like you see he suffers from anxiety that means talking about how he doesn't want to get involved with star wars makes sense and it's like well that could be anything that proves my point it's just for a reason i wasn't aware of but it still means i'm right yeah i don't i don't i'm just not following this and again like no reference as you already know rags does not know about this so why even bring it up me cope and deal with it but it may even help other people up there come to terms or relate or empathize on just what it can do to a person now we begin a section that i probably disliked the most out of rags's video i think the reaction and response to the last jedi is quite frankly embarrassing and i think the reaction and the response to destiny two is quite oh this is like one of my favorite bits from your video oh really i thought this was like the most watertight part that i've got yeah obviously implying that i hate everything's reaction to destiny two is precisely i hate everything's problem with people reacting to the last jedi um other than the death threat stuff but even then there's gonna be people in the in the destiny two community that have been throwing death threats that the fucking devs because people are crazy and that's something that happens frankly rather embarrassing there are a lot of people who should be ashamed for the things they've said because of a star wars movie there's a lot of people who should be ashamed for the things they said about a video game what kind of world are we living in where it's normal for people to send a direct to hate messages because they didn't like the movie they made this our world this is what happens all the time we live yeah i don't know why this is such a discovery internet yeah that's the thing is like i know this i don't remember my first week on the internet but i mean come on man you're just gonna especially someone as big as i hate everything is like that's how that's how random people on the internet are that's how that's how the internet is then there's nothing you can do to change that yeah like even the most like innocent and smooth movies that have like nothing controversial happening in it people will be like fuck you for making that just be like okay fine really is this your first week on the internet you know this happens for basically everything that has a fan base right i think it's strange that you've attached yourself to star wars in this way that you treat it like it's some sort of a special example when really these kinds of things are everyday commonplace trivialities he makes this now to the equivalence towards igh's response to destiny during igh's report on how he viewed the last Jedi response not only is this accompanied by no clips whatsoever from the destiny video you can watch it yourself and besides it's a response to igh and everything igh and everything knows us in that video yeah he knows what he made and like i do understand that it could benefit with clips you could like have direct oh yeah i could be more i could you could always be more specific but yeah but like you know yeah it's there it's it the it's more in concept if anything else the fact that i mean look at the fucking title i hate at destiny too i know that that's a part of his channel memes but he really does rip into that game and i think i mean i love this this i hate destiny 2 video was really good even as new destiny 2 video was good yeah it's like i really like that video that's why his the last jedi video was just was like a shocker to me because i'm like this is are you the same person and yeah and i believe it's a slam dunk when he says that um it's so interesting that people are so you know angry and evil about a show a fiction that is about finding the light or whatever it is like how is this not the savers destiny exactly that's the whole point that i brought up yeah so i look forward to him responding to that bit yeah video but just an image of this video with an alash description if you watched igh's video on destiny which ranks claims at the end of the video he has you'll know that in spite of his criticisms he's perfectly respectful he's perfectly respectful that's subjective you can say it's incredibly disrespectful if he ever says anything about the design if you for example if he says that um the story makes no fucking sense there's a guy who wrote that so you've clearly disrespected him yeah you just said his story was nonsensical and to clarify i'm not saying you should never disrespect somebody because ultimately ryan johnson disrespected the ot so of course i could disrespect him but um to imply that i hate everything is nothing but respectful too bungee in his analysis of ds destiny too that's ridiculous and he sure as hell's like respectful to star a lot of people appeal in like star wars in this movie rags assumes that igh is talking about any negative response rather than the brand of negative response that oh yeah right rags has obviously misunderstood i hate everything i had everything was only referring to psychopath saying that you need to die if you made the last jedi it's like come on man why even make that video at that point why would why would i hate everything say you know anybody who's saying they're going to kill people over a film they're not good people i i everything is lumping far more than just people who are saying the film isn't uh the film isn't good they'll kill yeah that's why i said that this that i hate i hate everything's video basically he's talking to people like me and moller and wolf he's talking about us he's not just talking about um he's he separates them but he talks about both he talks about the crazy ones he talks about pretty much everybody if you didn't like this film it's because x y z and we'll get into those reasons later i assume but yeah the i felt like one of the reasons i i wanted to do a response to this video is because he was talking to people like me and i think that fundamentally all rags is doing is mirroring i hate everything's argument onto uh i think he's not necessary i don't think rags is outwardly claiming the i hate everything is 100 hypocritical here it's it's almost just like think about this think about the fact that i had everything saying all of this despite the fact that he did this and when we brought that to um uh just right if you remember in the in the debate he was like yeah you know i kind of regret that now you know like making videos that are negative and uh if you remember and i hate everything's video here at towards the end he says that he's sad that he's contributed to negative criticism okay and so do you understand how that proves rags right i had everything saying i'm a part of the problem rags references a video from i hate everything do you get it the the connection there i had everything himself is admitting that he is part of the people he's criticizing in this video yeah i don't i really don't get i thought this was like one of those really kind of obvious things but i guess maybe i'll try to specify more because there are people like the right opinion who don't get it well i mean this is the problem of this shit man because it'll go from i had everything saying you didn't quite get what he was saying to uh you saying tiaro didn't quite get what you were saying to tiaro get us saying that we didn't quite get what he was saying you know and then we might respond to him no you didn't get what we were saying it's just like being explicit is helpful i suppose immediately after and this is what confuses me because i actually qualifies these two statements in the sentence with the third completing his narrative tripling by state yeah oh it's also interesting that he plays this clip as he's saying that because the clip that he's talking about in the lore in the wiki in the grimwars right is the exact same defense of destiny two's lore and the lack thereof as is given for a lot of the problems with the last jedi well in these books well it's explained elsewhere yeah or in this wiki it's it's like why you're proving my point also do you hear him say that i had everything completes his narrative tripling it's like tiaro knows that he's learned about this in whatever course and he's like there's no way there's no way a layman would understand what i just said but it doesn't matter because it sounds intelligent and again i'm friends with tiaro but i would say this to his face why the fuck did you just say that i had everything completed a narrative tripling what the fuck does that even mean wait let's say narrative well let it let me play it again so you just you get it for definitely respectful rags assumes that ihg is talking about any negative response rather than the brand of negative response that ihg is referring to which is clarified immediately after and this is what confuses me because ihg qualifies these two statements in the sentence with the third completing his narrative tripling by stating that what's a narrative tripling so uh i i i've i've googled narrative tripling and i i'm getting like rule of threes um this but i i'm almost certain there's this precedent for it because oh yeah um he's like complete a course in literature or something and i'm certain that's where it comes from but the fact it's not on the first but youtube is a platform for for everyone so like why would you use language that like 90 of the audience is going to be like what i'm i'm on i'm on page three in narrative tripling hasn't popped up yet um but the i mean maybe he's talking maybe that's like an allusion to uh the rule of threes uh that's what i assume that suggests that things that come in threes are inherently funnier more satisfying or more effective than other numbers or things i doubt he's going to qualify a ballista response that ih is referring to which is clarified immediately after and this is what confuses me because ihg qualifies these two statements in the sentence with the third completing his narrative tripling by stating that these people are the sorts of individuals that send the director hate messages not anything that would be endorsed by the destiny of you now although rags his point about anything with a fan base being subject to hate messages is true on principle there's still definitely been an exceptional vitriol to do with the last jedi it's literally tied to just how many people are in the fan base and you can extrapolate that into how many hate messages they'll be yeah like especially when the creators of the last jedi have been so vitriolic in response like the predator fan base was vitriolic about the new film but they're so small by comparison to star wars that you really would have heard about it yes that's just how it works let me get my fridge here it's being loud if the many fans can empathize with when ihg expresses this although ihg should have worded his point better at this moment to emphasize the magnitude of the response over the existence i don't think there's much debate over the point that those involved with the last jedi have probably received significantly more hatred than most films with a fan base i don't think it's star wars is it has a huge audience you didn't disagree with that though you didn't say that no star wars isn't getting slightly more let's just say in ratio more you're saying everyone gets it so why are we bringing it up and it's like because star wars gets more and you're like okay and it's explained dramatically by compare star wars fan base to literally every other fan base it's like you'll find something interesting out it's it's very interesting like this is a point of contention like he invents the idea i just i don't know and i think people understood the brand of individuals he was referring to here now in light of this rags follows this by making a similar point grow up you pathetic children i just think it's kind of sad that such rampant negativity can be spawned from a franchise that is all about never allowing the darkness to win holding on to hope at all costs i mean that is so cringe we're ready to listen to it how did he make that point like what are you doing i hate everything point that those involved with the last jedi have probably received significantly more hatred than most films with a fan base and i think people understood the brand of individuals he was referring to here now in light of this rags follows this by making a similar point grow up you pathetic children i just think it's kind of sad that such rampant negativity can be spawned from a franchise that is all about never allowing the darkness to win and holding on to it's sad that negativity comes from a story about never letting the darkness win what nonsense is that in the in the thing that makes it so good we'll let it play just a little further because it'll put all costs i mean look i just think it's kind of sad that such rampant negativity can be spawned from a series that's supposed to be about protecting the light and holding on to hope at all costs you see what i'm doing here and very simple yeah that's a good not only that and not only that it's doubly good because the space magic that you use in destiny two is called the light and the bad guy or like the ultimate badness in the destiny two game is called the darkness his video is called i hate destiny two i'm done like is anybody gonna just just that's a bit negative would you say would you say that yeah seems a bit negative video was good because it was very negative absolutely had a lot of criticisms about it but i was like how could you be the point how could you be negative about destiny two when it should be when it's about holding on to the light and fighting against the darkness at all costs how could you how could you hate destiny two although itch's point was definitely overly sentimental there's no crossover between that and his video there is absolutely crossover you're so fucking wrong it is absolutely a direct parallel between the two you're wrong you're flat out wrong on this they're the exact same thing you said it was overly sentimental like as what that's not even a defense it's like if i make a statement that's just wrong and then i go yeah but it was sentimental it was prompted by my feelings i don't know if he's defending it saying it's sentimental it's it's almost like tiara's rolling his eyes a little at house a mental it said but it's just wrong it's just wrong it doesn't it's silly it's a silly silly statement you need it to sort of slip past because he just like wait what did you just say the exact same thing applies to both of them equally that's the funny thing destiny two is a brilliant example because it's pretty much the same thing but like take any fiction and you could probably skew it you'd be like lord of the rings to be negative about a story that's all about trying to prevent the darkness from taking over persevering and holding on to hope and doing what's right in the face of immense you know difficulty how could you be negative about a story like that and the unbelievable irony that you're hearing this from i hate everything it's like what what this is oh man if this is his biggest problem with my video and this is like the strongest most concrete salient point that i'm making that's rough i expect honestly i've expected better well it's gonna we know i guess worse once quinton comes in and destiny two and even if rags his points about destiny two were as a general critique of fan response i actually would not endorse that mentality either even though i would argue that fan response the last year i had of course but he's propagated that same behavior he's condemning yeah that's the whole thing he even admits it at the end of the video and that's precisely what rags is pointing out he's a hypocrite has been significantly more volatile than that to be a stormtrooper hey man that this is stretchy the stretchy hoodie it's an anorak to destiny two yeah i thought it sucked and i want everyone involved to die horribly he then tries to deconstruct i cheese title on destiny what do you mean you're done with destiny two whatever happened to holding on to hope at all costs whatever happened to protect the life which i assume is meant so good i haven't heard that in a like i haven't watched my video since i made it it's so good why can't you hold on to hope why do you have to say you're done frank is deconstructing the title i was like i'm just reading the words i'm done and taking them literally this is what i mean it's like do we need to actually put out there the saying i hate everything i hate destiny two i've done that these things are negative or are we supposed to take that as sentimentality done to be humorous because of all the equivalents is that aren't taken into account the difference in fan base difference in response to difference in history matter yeah this is the thing rags can be saying that too i hate everything all rags is done this is the thing rags doesn't actually agree that you should not hate on things if they're about positivity he's saying i hate everything doesn't make any sense to making this comment that's it yes the the idea that you should like things because you should hold on to the idea that you should would hold on to light at all costs and everything like that and be you know to have perseverance with you know your positivity i guess is what he's saying yeah like you can apply that to anything like this is just amazes me how this flies right over his head and he doesn't see that these are the he uh rags is making the same exact analogy just changing titles to clarify is if uh the new lord the rings tv show comes out and then wolf and me watch episode one and then wolf's like man that was shit and then i go well i you know do you need to do that this this is a fiction about the positives of life yeah you don't like it the orcs win like wolford rise to be like more than what the fuck you're talking about i feel like oh shit yeah that doesn't make any sense considering my entire history if somebody said that the predator was a great movie because you have to hold on to autism at all costs that's not a that's not a defense that is pure emotion that has nothing to do with the film itself get out of here with that that is that's like a meme answer it's like something that's something that people say ironically but he said it unironically here which was sad on taking into account the difference in fan base difference in response the difference in history the difference in narrative ensued by the products there is a unique sentimentality about the old star wars films in particular around hope and such that have not been portrayed in the destiny games and what now he's making the point he's making the same fucking point what do you think destiny unlike star wars isn't really about hope as much i shouldn't have made the same mistake that i hate everything did you should have learned to something by my video gotta gotta see that again the product there is a unique sentimentality about the old star wars films in particular around hope and such that have not been portrayed in the destiny games and once again he's not what are you talking about hadn't ever played destiny of course the thing that's the thing i haven't played it but i know the destiny has strong themes about like overcoming the stress and the the spread of humanity to remain hopeful like what are you talking about destiny's got a big audience and it's the second game the game has a history it has the theme of hope oh my god oh you dropped the ball just like ih he did i expect better i don't even understand he's like this is you should be making this point because i had everything's clearly talking about blah blah blah but anyway also he's right you're like what no he's not yes pull him out the last shellet as i film right now he's talking about what he perceives as the ranker within the tone of certain chris and we're commenting on it being completely hypocritical we understand what he's saying it was very simple you should be so negative about something that's all about being anti negative which isn't even true by the way like a star wars is the constant fight between uh you know good and bad good people refraining from doing bad things you can't have one without the other if everything was good then nothing would be good would it it's like if i was gonna make a video on why something was bad or why something was good i wouldn't scour the internet to find the the post with no upvotes or two upvotes after two hours and that that are self-censored and ridiculous and try to prop those up as examples of things it's it's ridiculous you would you should be so negative about a movie as incredible as the room for how happy it makes everyone when they watch it really it's about family isn't within the response to it in a minute response alone but hey i mean we can't have consistency i mean star wars is oh and look rags makes his point very clear it's all about how i hate everything is inconsistent that's it it doesn't need to go any further than that but there we are special brand you could say it about destiny but you can't say it about star wars it's totally different guys on once again i do not think that itch is excusing the brand but there has been a response to last Jedi and yeah he's just doubled down on the same point the the last Jedi gets more hate which i would happily agree with but i don't think it should it be said that 100 hate messages is more important to discuss than your average 90 hate messages i don't know it just i don't even think about things like that it's just one of it's irrelevant to us in terms of things but even content creator with 100 subscribers will get a death threat more than likely yeah absolutely i'm i'm sure and it's one of those things like why are we even really talked about all i was doing was pointing out he there is a there's apparently like this is either this is in his blind spot or he's not he's not being i even say it he's not being consistent he's not being TRO between well but i hate everything isn't being consistent between what he said about the last Jedi and hey his defense of the last Jedi specifically with a point of holding on to hope at all costs right and even if there are reasonable responses too no one's saying that they don't exist it's just as itch implied earlier the vocal minority seems a lot more vocal this time round yeah but by talking about the vocal minority you give them a voice not only that but there's a vocal that's how they are vocal because a guy with 1.6 million subs clips him and puts him on the front of his youtube video that's how they become vocal because they get broadcasted out like that it's it's so and to me i'm just like are you really gonna die on this hill that it should be talked about with the last Jedi because it's it's more so than the average thing when i don't even think that's necessarily true like what was the look at ghostbusters 2016 i believe that was uh i believe pullfee got more hate than ryan johnson probably did like genuinely because it was political or more so political than it was uh just about ruining franchise i think there was there was less defense of ghostbusters yeah pizza so two hours already there's no way there's an hour and a half oh they were early yeah but they're there yeah when it comes to ghostbusters there there were way less defenders for ghostbusters to the point where i don't remember seeing any review of it that was in defense i'm sure they know for a fact if i had everything in code that film he would have shown it yeah but i would have just asked why aren't you holding on to hope at all costs the theme is about defeating an otherworldly evil saving what you love why are you being so negative and giving into that see that's the thing it could be about any movie but that's them but unfortunately i need to use the lu again go for it because i'm just like fucking like a turnstile of water yes i'll read out some super chats hate will only make them stronger so true yo guys i'd like to recommend an animated rags and wolf called Gundam iron-blooded orphans the full series sub and dub free on youtube by the studio who owns it the channel is gundam info i will keep they'll copy the name and i will put it in my in my notes for this video i will drop it right there so i can let them know uh probably once you finish the stream or whatever see you see about it um originally probably mean completely copied ending from escape from la oh i did see that yeah uh king slayer damocles i saw the video comparing it was quite interesting so glad i made it to a stream love you guys appreciate it man uh will rags make e comesicles once he's done e fapping that you know there's no real specific rule on that so i can't say it's a yes or no uh not releasing i ate everything debate is a crime against humanity i mean hopefully we can just i want to set up a conversation with him live just just that that would be nice you know that would that would work woof woof uh and thus everything is cyclical and it never ends i just wanted to say thanks more for speaking a clear analytical manner about art and articulating what it means makes a good script i've learned to appreciate good movies much more thank you uh that genuinely is very encouraging to hear from anybody um you get a lot of the reverse stuff which we'll actually get to in this video where um i'm a blight on film criticism rather than helping uh i think we have four levels deep in commentary here are there anything to rags the toro to us there's some inception level shit how much deeper could we go maybe toro will respond to this video who knows it'll be difficult considering it's probably gonna be like 10 hours long but hey uh rags is only a canine supremacist and just looked up half sheave half corgi it's so cute absolutely uh thank you all for the donations um i'm i'm either of you here right now i got my pizza i'm happy now wolf scott is pizza rags is peeing and we're 10 minutes and 48 seconds in i think we've done pretty well so far considering our track record yep just another hour and 46 minutes left which means another 10 hours of stream woohoo this doesn't take it all bets is that will we finish the video it's like hmm we might not finish the video we'll definitely get to uh you know fuckface but i wouldn't call mauler a blight on cinema just a bigoted right winger okay um mauler can't even get into narrative tripleting you ever heard of that shit wolf i've never heard of that term in my life it's like to just to me i just wonder if he's just a little bit out of touch writing that down you must be like how many people do you think are going to understand what you're saying when you say that hey i can't even imagine anyone actually understanding that narrative tripling that doesn't even make sense at all it's very confusing to me also my hand is better by the way i injured oh and it feels like i need like two days before i can get on with some strong editing again i need to do a patreon post today i should have done that before the stream because now i'm gonna be over midnight but i will do it after the stream to give updates on the good ol tfa critique that's still coming along uh love all you guys's work as star wars fans i want you to recommend the cotor ap rion project for you guys to check out fair enough oh yeah another thing that was recommended if you're both here was a Gundam iron blooded orphans on youtube someone sent in a super chat saying they would like they think you should check it out basically both of you are your blooded orphans i believe that's what it was iron blooded orphans i think we need an orphan holocaust personally what are you kill monger who was correct i'm told by a soft pie guy who was correct he's gonna throw that in um anyway let's continue harry's eye cheese points saying that he doesn't care if you liked or disliked the last Jedi by saying that this whole video is him whinging up people who disliked it wait you understand this video is you whinging right that that's what this video is and then saying that this wasn't even his biggest problem it was more his tone and that he should have covered the last Jedi as a film rather than what he viewed as the irrelevant shit we've we've pretty much gone over we used that word already we've gone over why it's irrelevant it fucking happens all over the place it'd be like me complaining about oh man i opened the door today i got a gust of wind what's that about it's like doesn't that usually happen whatever you go outside no okay no it's particularly windy today you're like oh okay so anyway get on with your point question mark what's the point yeah fair though that's not even really my big contention with i hate everything's video about the last Jedi is that it takes the absolute worst possible way to defend to something and it makes them come across as a huge hypocrite maybe if you spent more time and effort actually defending the film in your video instead of lashing out against people because they had criticisms of it ignoring the big glaring problems that yeah which by the way for the record me and wolf didn't really believe when i i hear everything was like i've never heard these arguments before it's like there's no way every video i don't believe it the shits on the film most if most if not all cover holder being retarded like that's that's one of the most typical complaints yeah the day after i went and saw this with my father i it was late so i slept and then i got up i started watching people's videos of it like the next day i was like yeah that's it yeah okay yeah that's a problem that's a problem and then the list just kept going as people thought more and more about it the idea that you had all the time to make this video to edit it all together that you watched it as he said like three times he watched it and you never heard of a criticism against it like come on dude i don't believe you yeah and this and this thing he he went back to saying it after speaking to me and wolf's was just like oh so you just ignore them then like that's pretty much the way you do this okay yeah and that makes me think so little of ih8 when you can sit down with him for that long and tell him all the problems and he can agree the movie's bad and then completely flip and say he's never heard it he could arguments against it well it makes you wonder there's a lot of respect for him especially since you know me and mauler were the ones that were talking to him for five fucking hours i'm telling ih8 that was really a scummy thing you did man that's something i doubt i doubt you'll ever say this but fair enough i that was people did have with the film and instead spotlighting the tiny irrelevant shit that no one cares about this is something that confuses me rags takes issue with the fact that i ate everything has not made the star wars video how rags would like him to make it i don't think no okay so let me clarify that is not even close to correct what was the name of everything's video on the last jedi by the way um is it literally just star was the last jedi dash ihg okay um yeah correct me well you know you go first right because this is he's criticizing you yeah that's that's just that's not what i'm saying if that's what you took from it man oh i don't know i think i'm pretty clear about you know the the way that i criticize what he's saying because i never i never say you should have done this so much as i'm saying it's interesting that in your defense of this film which he actually gets into later you spend so much time on what pretty much any normal everyday internet user in these spheres would be like yeah that doesn't this is pointless why are you doing this yeah like i would actually have the same reaction to literally any fucking subject if it opened with you know this is getting a lot of hate from people who're saying you should just go die and that's bad it's like yeah okay yeah okay and you you see there's a preamble you're like so you're gonna make a point right because like this is just so standard at this point and that's why it's so strange coming from i hate everything so much like he's he's been on the internet longer than me rags and wolf i think probably at least making videos longer than all of us so it's just like how do you not know about this is essentially him criticizing itchy from an idealistic standpoint he made a video more focused on bad fan response than the other video focuses now i would ask why i wouldn't at all say that itchy's video was focused also ideological differences i don't think i don't even know what itchy's ideology is i i know i love you as i have no idea what itchy's political leanings are as i say this if i knew in the past then i have forgotten between then in the moment that i'm saying this i have no idea if he is more liberal or conservative i have no idea what party he supports or who he voted for i have no idea as i say this and if i knew in the past i have forgotten i have no idea what his ideology is i you know for me my political ideology is uh if you put pineapple on pizza i don't believe you deserve to live that's pretty solid i believe you're gonna say i don't believe you're real i don't know how far you go with it well you know i know they're real i don't want to accept it but i know it but at least we have the option of gas chambers for those people so you know there we go i'm just waiting for the the response where they're like wolf said that and he sounded like he may have been sarcastic but i'm pretty sure he was threatening to kill a very large portion of humanity yeah he's racist press p for um pineapple or pineapple gas chambers genocide yeah pineapple genocide press p for it everyone at least specifics more well that's i g's prerogative he can talk about what he bloody well wants to yeah and rags can talk about what he bloody well wants to yeah yeah asshole i can talk about whatever i want to rags title to me making the video that you wanted to make yeah how do you like them fucking apples you may be i had everything's british friend but rags has one of those two and i can say bloody well too yeah it's not never did i ever say that he had to make the video that i wanted him to make yeah and it's like it's almost like you're policing rags and saying rags should be uh making a specific video according to you yeah why are you criticizing my video what why are i should why do you feel entitled to a video that you wanted i can't you let me make the content i want i want yeah yeah very very unclear point there i would just go as far as saying i think what he was going for was he took a quote that doesn't exist rags saying i had everything you should say what i wish for you to say and then he was like that's not how it works rags like but that's not what happened so sorry if you're going to anything he's just going off what he has seen an experience rags slots in this painting criticisms with broad strokes painting with far too broad a stroke people who didn't like something that you like for no other reason than it and that will be it was true when i said it in the video and it will become even more true as the video plays on yeah he's provided no substantiation on to anywhere in this video where i actually paints people with such in fact well why haven't you uh have you watched the whole video yeah your criticism yeah i believe one of your your comments was about whether or not i had watched the whole video and uh clearly at this point you haven't watched my entire video because it is explicitly elaborated upon later very strange i sense a little projection very unusual it attempts to separate these comments throughout the video at this point it just seems like an attempt to position himself where he can make it look like an unpleasant person almost how could rags not say the exact same about you yeah like i took a substantiating evidence so we can rain down the rags hellfire he probably goes out with the other less torrent people i assume he criticizes on his channel he then equivocates backlash with criticism perfectly within your right to feel however you want but you don't think that the backlash is kind of yeah but hang on yeah let me just check because i'm curious what does backlash actually mean a strong negative reaction by a large number of people especially social or political strong negative reaction what i made in my video could absolutely be considered backlash yeah the backlash against last gen i is absolutely people being critical without a doubt no rags didn't read into that that's what that word means it's not like you just wow you see what i mean like t ro is supposed to be to the core analytical and it's just like i didn't even confirm before i looked up the word because i was like from what i know backlash is just literally negative response but i could be wrong and it's like no it means a strong negative reaction that's it's right there wow like this is like is this it and it gets worse from here god yeah man massively over exaggerated and unnecessary massively over exaggerated and unnecessary it's like do you think that's what i hate everything is describing death threats as he's of course look what he's he's he's dead to rights look at these look at these screenshots you got um so deeply disappointed right now i clearly wanted to love i can't see any nice screen oh wait i'll let it play for a bit uh no oh wait hang on yeah go go to it because it it kind of passed it on a different thing that the backlash is kind of massively over exaggerated and unnecessary so okay when saying backlash he shows a comment that says so deeply disappointed right now ideally wanted to love this movie i remember emerging from the theater stunned saddened the reasons are so well documented by many here i never imagined signing up rotten tomatoes but such was my disappointment at this film i felt compelled to have my little rant backlash that so sorry t ro but that person is precisely who rags is trying to defend by saying that you're doing a broad stroke yeah especially with what i he says later on i mean this is whoever mike a is he'd said nothing unreasonable i believe it's in my dsd response video but i say like it's like the first rule of youtube where whenever you're looking at like an analytical video they will often prove themselves wrong in in their actual like you know like t ro is like he's not saying that about them and then plays a clip that proves himself wrong and it's just like okay it's strange it's like people don't pay enough attention to the background footage and you you click with that with an avatar maybe they should do the same thing i've pointed out in the past this happening before like there was a there was a guy who said that i was like racist and stuff and so he he played a bunch he had a bunch of tweets of mine in the background that show how egalitarian i am and it's just one of those strange sort of you're saying one thing but what you're showing defeats your point mike a is a russian ball well look paul a is obviously much more reasonable than mike a i can't even see his comment can you see it no i just see paul a i don't i only yeah i just no i cuts okay it cuts but both of them are russian bots we know that oh yeah the last jet i was gargling as are we every ounce of clearly impression once again that's just rather nonsensical now backlash includes much more broader fields than just criticism whoa you guys are definitely white definition across the screen like that no one can fucking read that what's the point it's like you have to time that and you have to click it or is that your video match to make it an aspect and then you have to get the time right i know what it takes to make a thing slide across the screen like that why bother if nobody can read it that itch he has emotionally attached himself i can't i couldn't i can't remember where i come i don't know if i skipped over too much or something there hang on this point with a point about mischaracterization no i've gone too far it's one who's something 55 so i'm assuming it was 14 55 maybe then makes a joke believed or not through a boy no i guess i'm too far ahead again aggressive would say but i actually is no regressive and he wouldn't oh god regressive how does that come into it we have to go further was bram did it not occur to you that maybe it would be far more must be 13 55 i guess says that if people went into this movie expecting to hate it and oh 12 55 someone just said okay free my bad just rather nonsensical now backlash includes not here really i'm by the way i'm going to try and pause on that definition broader field yep so this is the definition i read off and it countered to ro so i'm interested to see what he's going to say about this just rather nonsensical now backlash includes much more broader fields than just criticism then there's the use of the eyes exactly okay so his argument is rags it's not just about people criticizing the film i hate everything's involving people who are doing death threats while rags his whole point was it's not just people who are death threats that are involved in the backlash and you're broad painting too broad of a stroke he's like i don't know how to explain this the easiest way possible but i hate everything makes a statement saying you know in the world there is only a planet and then rags is like was a lot more than a planet and then to ro comes back with it's not just everything but the planet rags yeah i that does not make sense the the definition of backlash supports me absolutely why would you go through the trouble like this is this is unprecedented levels of pedantry right this is the kind of shit that i'm built for because i go this far with some of this stuff but this is even surprising me i hate everything says the backlash is completely ridiculous rags says no it's not like a lot of it is deserved that tiaro is like he's talking about the people trying to kill everyone rags it's like no he's not though that's not what backlash means simple as that like this is ridiculous oh boy oh all this work to fucking shoot yourself in the foot don't care about it just because it has the word star wars slapped on the cover of it i g then says comes across as if a large majority oh look how negative paul a is the last star wars that i'll ever see kind of reminds me of jar reminds me of destiny too i'm done yeah yeah what is paul a done with destiny why isn't paul a holding on to the light at all fuck you paul a russian part the darkness wins paul i totally take it back paul a is not reasonable mike a is a way better guy comrad m is that's that's almost comrad so gotta be ever there you go feminist propaganda definitely russian waste oh yeah it's con it's comrad mask the waste of time like like waste of time is like a it's like a section of the body i am a hero and this is my waste of time into these movies with the sole intention of hating them how do you do you see that last bit i love this it's just proving it wrong completely the um the comment that just said comes across as if i want to try and pull as if it's kind of out of first into these movies just like there okay so that's enough that was built up in the previous movies that the character of luke is just ignored the character of luke is a completely different portion of person than what we have seen the main character is not believable at all in terms of what she can do hint to movie creators flawless character something yeah yeah so that's included into the ridiculous backlash it's like come on tiaro it was a bad video that he made it didn't make sense when you make a video it takes a level of um you you have to make a conscious effort to put in background footage right and so when you select things specifically as you are talking over it and saying things specifically the things that you say in the back if they contradict what you are saying that's a problem very much so and i just don't understand the waste of time it's on screen for for tiaro and yet he extrapolates see he's talking about all the people who are talking about murdering the director yeah like it's on the screen man surely you saw that when you were editing this movie i saw it went in my video i mean why didn't you see it when you were editing yours was this i hope this was a part of the video that you actually did how could you pop oh that's the thing it might not be because tiaro does the audio he sends it to editors and then they edit up the footage so he has to approve it but this can explain why there's such a disjointed element to his videos in which like the visuals don't always you know match up i suppose yeah maybe that's the thing you should stop doing then well you know he proof proof watches these videos i assume so he should be able to cast stuff like that i mean ultimately it's on him it's in the video and he's only uploaded it but it's just very strange that he would contradict himself so blatantly possibly know that or is that shit you're just making up as an excuse to avoid actual criticisms that people make but he doesn't know that i'm asking i'm asking yeah that was a question yeah that's a question that i'm asking so the statement was premised with the fact that he doesn't know it we're taking it too seriously or we're nitpicking are we just winning wanting to hate it how something comes across is not knowledge it is perception and that's really really likes mike apolly and conrad and muska bin conrad muska bit uh he just he just explained what rags did and he's trying to sell it as a contradiction but it's not all right yeah knowledge is uh knowledge is facts information and skills acquired by a person through experience or education the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject so yeah it is knowledge not just that but he was like it's perception it's like this whole video is rags his perception of course it's it's a awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a factor situation so yeah i don't know why you'd go through all the trouble to be wrong damn the dictionary is a lot of people's kryptonite on youtube isn't it look i just like he's just google this shit this is why i talk in pretty lay terms same same same reason i do that talk to people especially because you can make yourself look dumb what i can say to rags is there's a beginning a middle and an end or i could say to rags there is a narrative tripling you see you're like what three narratives or didn't you take the literature course i recommended or is that like a style of music and what we'll follow is an explanation of why he perceives that to give him the vitriol we then go back to the avoid criticism part which bit of a jump but all right mate and then there is this 42nd second but it was a i could have sworn it was a question he said bit of a jump this coming from the guy who was like trying to jump all over the place when you were saying like when you compared his statements about the last jedi to uh destiny to and then he jumped to you're completely talking about a different thing and yeah and there's no real element of hope in destiny not like there is star wars that's such a bizarre statement to be still nation of why he perceives that do you know what do you know what i think i'm putting my tinfoil hat on for this one i reckon this screenshot was taken by i hate everything as a search for um like lowest reviews or something because it's like half star half star half star do you think he's trying to say that to give the film a half star is ridiculous maybe i mean he kind of he does give that impression in his video i forget if he explicitly states it because it's been so long but he kind of said that he kind of said it to me and wolf where he was when we compared it to the room and he was like but the room is bad it's like this film is bad he's like no though it's not fake i'll say that it definitely comes across as a sacred cow sort of thing it's just weird like yeah i can i can ever any movie i could go to citizen kane and filter by reviews and there will be half star reviews of it and i could screenshot that absolutely and yeah again like i said tinfoil hat i have no no reason to assume it left or right i just i just it seems interesting to me like that may be the message he was going for with this because the top and bottom comments from brian v and mike a the uh russian bots they both provided pretty strong arguments or at least um quick arguments you know like distilled ones from something you could turn into a video and it's like there's nothing hyperbolic about them that you could have that in reverse someone go in you know i'm so happy right now i love this movie and it was so engaged mike a mike a here that's basically just he's just giving his feelings about it and who are you to tell mike that his feelings are wrong yeah to give him the vitriol we then go back to the avoid quizzes and part which bit of a jump but all right mate and then there is this 42nd segment where they're clearly arguing different points itch he says that if people went into this movie expecting to hate it then it is exception no he didn't say if he didn't say if people went in he said that was the reason people went into this movie expecting to hate it or wanting to hate it which is why i hung on to it so much because he's assuming people's intentions he's assuming that the people who didn't like this were people who went into the theater expecting to hate it or who had already decided to hate it you sound pretty definitive saying that like obviously to definitively prove it we're gonna have to hope he plays the clip because we can't dance between videos but i'm gonna assume that you're uh you're very definitive on that because you know that's what he said but we'll see but yeah like i i could be i guess i could be mistaken i guess we'll find out well yeah we'll see if he plays it really childish rags then says that itch he has emotionally attached himself to ro you yourself said that he was being sentimental yeah he has emotionally attached himself to the film yeah he has even he said that to me really sentimental he's like why do i like this film so much we're like you know subjectivity for you i guess it's a complicated thing but emotions feels can't ascending to actually explain that you can be emotionally attached to something and that will be a huge reason for why you can't look at it critically but that that's like just normal that happens is induced from his previous arguments but as i disagree with a few of his previous arguments i don't see the final conclusion here as particularly as i said ichi has been more than ready to criticize the prequels which is a fair proportion of the we aren't talking about the prequels yeah no we're talking about the last jedi stop this what about ism star was bram did it not occur to you that maybe it would be far more wise to not instantly assume that people went into this movie expecting to hate it and that maybe they have some serious legitimate criticisms that you should listen to and take to heart kind of like the ones you showed in that screenshot but also yeah i don't i don't wonder what i said that was unreasonable i guess we'll find out this is where the Anita thing comes back i do not believe rags is purposely being misleading here but it seems he's so used to people actually behaving like that he seems to have forgotten what i okay so to clarify rags do you believe that i hate everything believes that anyone who didn't like the last jedi went into the film wanting to hate it um no yeah that's what he put across there's hardly anybody who would but if he makes the statement what's rags gonna do yeah i'm not gonna i'm not gonna play off what i what you know i'm not gonna try to dig into people's heads too much but when you say something i'm more likely to go by what you say than what i think you mean yeah rags the hands were tied assuming that clip is what rag said it was obviously we can't play it because i don't know why t ro didn't play it considering it would have completely countered the argument if it was accurate especially when he told me that playing clips would have helped but yeah interesting stuff he actually said and the pointers recreated itself in his head as some sort of thing that a regressive would say but i actually is no yeah it is yes because that's what regressives do the thing that regressives do i'm not saying you're necessarily aggressive i'm saying this is something that regressives do they will label and dismiss that is what they do i was gonna say say everyone is going like to say to go in hating it already it's like well yeah that's that's basically bigotry that they're accusing people of yes you're accusing us of bigotry of of a kind yes and it's like star wars it's not the same it's like you could be about anything it doesn't really matter you like they just went in wanting to hate the film that is labeling and dismissing and that is they that is a key thing that regressives would do serve and he would never say anything like that he then follows this point well when you play the clip if you never said anything like it just play the clip only something that i have to do yeah with a point about mischaracterization and we'll let the self-explanatory irony do the magic there now guys haters gonna hate that's it they're just they're all these haters it's all they're doing they're just hating ig then makes a joke believed or not i don't understand yeah i don't know i was gonna pause and respond but i was like i don't know i didn't catch what the point was there i think the point is that he i don't know what his point is actually well we can you can discuss it while i pee let's let's rewind and give it a shot aggressive would say but i actually is no regressive and i just go back oh well there you go say anything like that he then follows this point with a point about mischaracterization and we'll let the self-explanatory irony do the magic there now guys haters gonna hate that's it they're just they're all these haters it's all they're doing they're just hating so that was mischaracterization i'm assuming tiara was saying how cruel of rags to say that uh tiara i hate everything he's saying haters gonna hate when i hate everything said people are going into this movie with the intention to hate it like that doesn't sound like a mischaracterization to me but hey all right what's it what was his point really what i got from it is that he says that you you perform a bit of mischaracterization and you take what he said and turn it into haters gonna hate when no that's i'm saying that he's saying well that's i was gonna say it's like if if he if i hit everything said people are going into this film hoping to hate it like are you saying haters gonna hate yeah that yeah that's pretty simple it's very logical then makes a joke believed or not through a voice juxtaposing the cute kid with the aggressive vitriol i think the response to the last jedi has kind of left fans in a weird place yeah i thought it sucked and i want everyone involved to die horribly and rags then reflects i cheese point of view by voicing i love the last jedi so much that i think it's a good idea to instantly paint the people who didn't like it as a punk yeah there are extremes on both sides yes excellent point rags it's almost i wasn't i wasn't actually marking him i think my voice was pretty good yeah and uh so rags pastes a picture of i hate everything on himself and he makes a silly voice and you're saying hey rags stop taking i hit everything seriously when he's making a silly voice it's like can't we just say that right back to you that's the problem with this video it's so beyond um like not self aware because honestly i got i got a lot of compliments on my itchy voice and and i and i thought i was all right considering i don't normally do voices but i thought it was pretty good i was all right bunch of haters which i didn't care for it first but this comes back later all right because that makes a lot of things i didn't care for it very well you didn't care for it mind the point of what i was getting at but okay she says that people hated the last jedi for some reason it seems to me that the accepted opinion is now that this film is really bad and it ruins star wow it's something with two uploads and and now we're this is why i hate everything's video is retarded it's like wait so now he's talking about people saying that it's a bad film rather than people saying directors need to be killed hey he got a comrad muskovic and he's connecting together here and and plus he very prominently displays the last star wars movie that i'll ever see okay they didn't like the movie they didn't want to see yeah how is that different than saying i'm done with destiny and yeah wolf is right he's he's thrown in comrad muskovic in there for some reason and obviously rance correctly points out well if that's the accepted opinion then maybe you should explore why people have that opinion sounds pretty reasonable to me and you shouldn't say things like for some reason when the internet is full of videos and chocked with reviews of people explaining why they feel that way although i actually does finish his sentence with even though star wars was already ruined three times prior implying that he's not suggesting whether i don't even think that's a counter to what rike said yeah that's not that's not saying that oh you can't star wars was ruined what 10 years 20 years ago already so like three bad star wars movies came out 20 years ago so star wars as a brand was ruined and it's too late you can't have a bad movie now once there's a bad movie i can't get but it's not like me and wolf get progressively more depressed every time an alien film comes out yeah i mean like there were a lot of people who saw rogue one and it like really revitalized how they felt about star wars yeah and some people like some people said rogue one was the death of star wars and then they'd be like no last jedi's revitalized the solo's the death solar revitalized these it's all over the place is it is it that on is that is it that unreasonable to say that people's excitement for a series ebbs and flows yeah i mean you look at especially when you look at games ask people you know how they feel about games like call of duty or assassins creed these series that have high moments and low moments and a lot of people like this game and hate this game and ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers so this is the same way tro really not paying attention to i had everything's video how could you say such negative things about a product that's all about positivity and then also exactly what do you mean he keeps reestablishing that i hate everything shits on the prequels all the time it's like you realize that's a part of the exact same series the series about keeping the darkness away going for the light holding on to the light keeping away the darkness that's what i mean it's such a hypocritical video but like tiara is doing his best to just try and ignore those bits i guess star wars last jedi is a good or bad movie but he's emphasizing that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last jedi now if i was in rags not what rags responded to yeah why are you talking about stuff that wasn't at all to do with what rags said does jeez this position i would also respond that the last jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy what in the f*** did he just say um you're gonna have to redo because i was about to pause and ask the same thing i don't have any idea why they feel that way although i g does finish his sentence with even though star wars was already ruined three times prior implying that he's not suggesting whether star all that would say is that you can ruin it multiple times so it's not really ruined that was weird make internet cut out for a second oh okay oh nothing nothing of substance was said well i didn't expect that wait is the video still up to date with you is it on 1545 uh it is now like it cut out if you haven't heard what he's about to say and he's gonna do the thing where he puts all the words on screen which by the way i don't like to say this right i feel kind of mean saying it but i don't know about you guys do you watch colossals crazy at all no i didn't so i've been a big fan of colossals crazy for a long time i know tiaro and colossals crazy of friends and colossal is tiaro feels like colossal is crazy light as in he does he's very similar uh and that that little like words going boom boom boom boom on the screen i could have sworn that started with colossal but i'm just it's bad putting it out there don't do that it feels a lot like tiaro because this is the thing colossal did uh he would cover specific people or like a topic something that's relevant he doesn't do it as much anymore he just takes fucking ages to do anything but like tiaro seems to have sort of taken over always trying to take over and he also happens to have the pompous british accent which by the way i'm not saying it's a bad accent like it's what colossal has and i love colossal's accent but it's just there's a lot of little things where i'm like oh it's not really your own thing there but hey and plus when people can listen to what you're saying and understand you don't confuse it by having the words flash up like that just just don't it's extra work just don't do it well i mean i've got my own issue with that i think that's just lazy editing because you're like what else am i going to do i'll just flash the words on screen to make sure people are fully asleep it's bizarre to me here's the worst way that i could do subtitles but to clarify i do actually i'm okay with influence right like you can see a style of art and be like i want to try and do that myself and that's fine i just uh there's just so many little things in tiaro's videos that are like i've seen this before you know the one that keeps getting again you guys have no reference for this so i apologize obviously but there's i don't know where they're getting it from but there's a source where you know like it shows people you've never seen before in really clean environments just walking around or doing a thing i saw that a lot and i ate everything's videos then i saw it a lot in colossal's crazy videos and now i'm seeing it in tiaro videos and they also do a thing where you show a guy who's on his ipad and he's like sifting through things and there's a green screen on the ipad that you can crop out with chroma keyer and then you put the video you're talking about in it to make it look like this guy is watching that video and like that props up more in tiaro videos now as well which is just interesting all these little connections again you can do it it's fine it's just um i don't know i prefer it when you you you watch a video and you're like this is completely their own style it's cool i guess you can't really do that for tiaro anyway because he's got several editors so they all have different styles so maybe it's not even him maybe it's the people who are editing have gotten well whoever did edit it just don't save yourself the time don't have it be there oh yeah well here we go wolf do your best to understand what he's about to say you're ready for this yeah i am so ready uh movie please emphasize that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last Jedi now if i was in ranks' position i would also respond that the last Jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy therefore so what did he say pull out a bullshit i don't understand like i'd be genuine we've done this before with movie bob i'm not a hundred percent sure of what that was what do you say yeah i'm gonna give it one more try and be yeah let's give it genuinely as honest as i can trying to figure last day is a good or bad movie please emphasize that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last Jedi now if i was in ranks' position i would also respond that the last Jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy so is he saying the prequels being bad doesn't really affect the ot because that's totally not true um for example Darth Vader now has a full history so whenever you watch the originals you can see Anakin if you want that's something that a lot of people complain actually that's something that i hate everything complained to us about remember wolf uh he said that the prequels ruined Darth Vader and Yoda oh yeah so not even i hate everything agrees with you there i was so young when the prequels came out i i can't really i i don't know what the general acceptance was of them i i don't know um i know what the acceptance of them now is but at the time i don't know but i i still don't really understand what he's saying um if i will some people in the chat are saying that we've we've got it right in terms of what he's trying to say and my only question is why did you say it like that like not only that fast not only with the editing style but the choice of sentence structure like the the words you chose to explain it doesn't matter how bad the seek the prequels are because they don't affect what moves on from the originals like that's pretty much what he's saying i think yeah i think that's what he's saying but then again there's not as much as i feel like there's looking back i feel like there's more about the last Jedi that singularly goes against the OT than all of the prequels oh absolutely i that's actually a debate that we had with um i had everything and like he said that seeing Yoda with a lightsaber is partially what ruins Yoda in the original trilogy and i believe me a wolf actually argued on the opposite of that i'm not sure where you stand on that wolf but for me i don't see Yoda with a lightsaber ruining Yoda in the OT because i mean he's a jedi and jedi have lightsabers so i don't see that fucking problem i would have preferred that his lightsaber was like there but he never used it but it doesn't ruin anything for me well a lot of i mean the fact that it's present doesn't pose an issue a lot of people highlight the fact that yoda's very like you know like a camera what his statement is but he's like never use the force to attack and then they'll splice that with a scene of him going like brah against Count Dooku and my perspective on that is like yeah but that was before so Yoda lost every one of his jedi he lost his temple he lost everything it's like he might that might change him a bit he might have some interesting things to say about the force and the jedi after that not to mention wasn't most of Yoda's use of the force in attack of the clones uh to keep Dooku from killing Anakin and Obi-Wan who were you could definitely argue as a defense yeah he uses it to defend people what seems like a jedi thing to do so yeah it's an i'm not saying any definitive right now it's an interesting conversation to have i'm merely pointing out that um i hate everything himself has declared that the prequels have a residue that's attack the ot so to say that it's they're separate from each other just doesn't make sense really to me especially considering they're all sequels so we're part of a a through line so they all affect each other this this segment is he's saying what i what he would have said in my place and you wouldn't have said this so but the thing is didn't he criticize me for making the video all right yeah well this will just be another one to count on that tiaro is saying our rags should say his video even though he said rags shouldn't do that with i had everything's uh yeah that's all right it's fine it's fine this this video feels like christmas lights were you just trying to untangle all of it like i don't know this like you just kind of want to shake it around hopefully that they're kind of loosening each other up will we just shake it you throw it around therefore it's understandable the last year i may feel like it had more of an effect on the future star wars films as a whole but that's just my two cents on but i don't know what we don't know what the future films will be like what we do now but at the time we didn't know what the effects would be well you said that's just my two cents that means you can't criticize him yeah i mean i'm just what i'm saying is i'd have no idea what episode nine will be like and i have this morbid curiosity about what they'll do you know oh you know what that just made me uh someone just left in the comments as well what i said could be extrapolated as a defense of yoda as a defense of luke saying that what yoda went through changed him um i said in my videos luke could change to become the luke in the last Jedi but we have to see the events that would have done it we saw the events that would have like do you remember the scene where yoda reacts to all of his jedi being murdered yeah and even then yoda and the way that yoda treats luke and the way that luke treats rey yeah and and we get to see yoda in the council what like eight times or something ridiculous we get to see him planning in the war we see him with the the kid the wookies he fights palpatine like we get loads of yoda stuff for why he would have had it down for the first time yoda sees luke is he puts on the act as a way to test luke yeah there's a lot there's a lot to work with it while luke gets gets one flashback three times so you know yeah but kanto we got kanto bite we got kanto bite that's that's fair rax then says it took years and years and years for people to turn on the prequels and basically i would cite plinkett's video was the the big uh culture shift for that one i was one of many people who watched that and was like oh yeah the prequels aren't as great as i thought like that genuinely and i can't remember how old i was when that released i think it was 2009 because it was the it was the plinkett reviews for me too and those have millions and millions and millions of views and that in it is cited today uh remember when um the the last jedi video when plinkett's last jedi video came out there were articles written about it and those articles about the last jedi video plinkett did often referenced how impactful culturally the plinkett reviews on the uh the fan of menace were yeah and this is the thing uh rags is not saying that nobody hated the prequels when they came out because every there's always someone who hates something that's just obvious that's a standard what he's saying here because i know that this is going to be twisted what rags is saying here is that like the hatred we're seeing for the last jedi was nowhere near what the prequels got until many years later yeah but then that actually turned into memes which was nice it took days it took week i mean it wasn't even months or weeks after the last jedi that people were like uh and it's just guessing it kept getting worse it started out bad and it kept getting worse and worse and worse yeah turn them into me and although i would not agree and i say many dislike the prequels on release as well as the fact the critic score never really changed i would definitely agree they're more unpopular now than they yeah but what one thing that's important to note is that the professional critic review at the at the time the internet wasn't like it is today um the way to back then the critic score was far more easy to acquire and put out and relied upon so yeah i mean if we're gonna go by the scores too it's just it's objectively factual that it's got a lower audience score than phantom ennis then attack of the clones it's historically isn't it the lowest rated star wars film in history that's what i remember reading it is yeah um and it didn't take long for that to happen and it i don't think it's gone up since and it took and it happened way quicker too it got a lower score far far quicker then were then ranks then however firstly uses rotten tomatoes once again to state objectively the last jedi is the most unpopular star wars film with audiences that would be a truth then wouldn't it yeah that seems to be uh yeah it's a true statement and this you got to be so slow and careful with the words here because some people like to twist it and be like how could it be objective if it's based on people's feelings it's like no we're saying yeah that a overall score look the objective result of the overall mean uh review is this number compared with this number these are things that are undisputable because they're on the site like that's the two different things rags not i'm glad he didn't say rags is trying to say that the film is definitely bad because people said it was you know like nothing like that don't as long as he doesn't go that way the last jedi and by a considerable margin is the worst rated by audience star wars film that has ever existed it took the prequels many many many years for people to turn on them for the films that they really were despite the fact that rolling tomatoes in no way necessarily actually reflects universal audience that's normal rags said though yeah that's not what i said i knew he's gonna do that like i'm i'm saying it's the lowest score and i can i've fucking put out tweets and shit with screenshot just look at the numbers was what number some numbers are higher than other numbers man that's meant on a film particularly due to target demographics that are more likely to use this yeah there's a million influences that go into the rotten tomatoes so to say to compare two films on rotten tomatoes would be fair yeah i'm using i'm using the same metrics for both they're both sides that's all you said is that it got the worst result lower i'm saying the score is lower i suppose someone could argue that if the phantom menace was released today then maybe it would have had the same response as that but you're not disputing that you literally just said factually this is the lowest rated star wars film on rotten tomatoes by audience score and it is yeah and it is that's it fights and you can find other sites such as imd beat that have the last jedi as more popular than to talk about i'm he wasn't talking about it i mean i'm sure you're right but i wasn't talking about i'm db so free now this point would be irrelevant to the logic he followed with was correct but he then goes on to say when the prequels came out people were at least lukewarm about him or they thought higher of them but this is the last jedi after two months what do you think it will be like in two years looking back what do you think it will be like five months from now well there are individual circumstances in which there's strangely positive responses you agree so you agree and all rags it was asked questions yeah i was like so you agree i'm saying look at i'm just saying imagine i'm like i mean like john linear just imagine prequels were cultivated in particular they were victims of their own hype and have dated horribly last right rags could go into that if you wanted to but he didn't he literally just said stop it you're over analyzing something that didn't even contradict what you're saying that's that's the big issue here he's trying to counter you and you haven't said anything that wouldn't necessarily follow with all of this too i'm just saying look at the scores imagine what it will be like in the future it doesn't appear to have that and therefore it's unlikely that it will follow the same route he then says that's kind of an odd defense of the last jedi saying oh yeah but guys wait 15 years ago these other movies were bad and to that i'll refer you back to what i just said i chi's involvement of the prequels is actually justified even if the context does not hold direct compare a lot of fun casual debates help challenge your viewpoint and only benefit the overall landscape but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified rags thing that straight up malicious or overly simplified and they can be i'm sure a lot of the stuff that i've watched i mean no they just didn't like the movie and they criticize the movie it's like why can't i just i don't think the only one you could possibly refer to is anyone saying i'm going to murder the people who made it it's like beyond that if you get someone like for example my video my initial one ranting against the film i wonder if he considers that malicious yeah man it's like that what is malicious to you also it's weird he's using that og but it's strange what is malicious exactly it's it's very what's malicious to some isn't to others you know can you can you be malicious to it in criticism of a movie like intent to do harm it's like that's seems a bit hyperbolic but fine let's see let's see where they go with it encounters this by saying really you think so because i knew i was gonna do this video for quite a while and i watched a lot of star wars conversations about it i even had my own stream and on that stream was mauler he ended up creating three extremely comprehensive videos talking about criticisms regarding the last jedi now rags his point only worked if i choose denying the existence of a lot of reasonable discussions yeah but rags said really huh my experience is this yeah i'm saying that i don't see the thing that you claim is around i even set up by saying that's weird isn't that what i said is that that's weird or like that's on yeah and the only response to ro can have to this is like well he's sharing his experience and i had everything he shared his moving on yeah that's it i guess yeah which he isn't he was just stating that they loaded these discussions appear unreasonable why is this playing in the background it's a part of i hate everything's videos so the person editing right now thought it would be see this is this is a very fundamental of editing right so in my videos if i reference one of them when i'm talking about them and i show a clip in one of them that has a clip from a movie that i was referencing in that video at the time it's very confusing for the viewer because they think i'm now referencing the movie which is exactly what's happening here what they should have shown was a picture of i hate everything's opinion disclaimer or is um his face you know doing something not literally a clip from the deer hunter because now we're like wait is it relevant to the deer hunter have a lot of sorry i think this is the deer hunter one and a lot of the other they're not mutually exclusive rags awesome you say a lot of the discussion about this movie is straight up malicious and overly simplified can you point those out listen the mass is not yeah that's fair i'm asking for some examples i mean i'm not saying they don't exist i mean i would say that for the most part they don't i would say that the vast majority of criticism isn't malicious in the way that he's trying to paint especially with the beginning of i hate everything's video it's such an innocent mass reasonable here this is an innocent response from rags here just being like i didn't experience this can you show some of your examples and then i was trying to like desperately rip into it last Jedi response videos i watched oh i can't even remember how many i can't i couldn't i could probably i watched so many i could probably rewatch some and not know that i've watched them the first time it's just you just soak it all up and i was never like man these are malicious people they're bad people awesome you say a lot of the discussion about this movie is straight up malicious i think this was my video um yeah no this is that reason it sucked critical thinking ramp compilation uh let's try this horrible movie uh just a lot of thoughts and blogs and i mean i just was like yeah there's a lot of an overly simplified can you point those out listen the mass is not hard to find youtube videos are not the only means what do you mean rags literally just said he's finding it hard to find and then you're like it's not hard to find it's like if it's not so fucking hard to find when you show some examples jesus christ this is not hard him of the discussion let's pull up some of the examples that i gathered in around 10 minutes so okay if these are examples these need to be examples of what was it malicious malicious is it malicious criticism like just just malicious in general let's see the malicious oh it's a comment it's not even a video it's a comment that has no a month old comment with no thumbs up oh seriously oh wow it's gonna be comments are you yeah even though we've just been over that getting death threats is so common on the internet that it's not even there's no point in even referencing it okay so oh Jesus christ i guess my mistake was i went to the actual content i went to videos of youtubers with the tens of thousands of views and all the subs and i got to all the people who were involved in the community and i went to all of these videos when i should have been going to the dredges of the comment section as people are pointing out as well even though he's gone to the comment section to get evidence saying you're an idiot and they've killed star wars i hardly call that malicious or a threat that's a pretty yeah i should have known that monk insane with three subscribers a month ago posted before this video was made he found yes i'm certain that you can find malicious comments if you go to the fucking youtube comment section i was going to the cusp of shit that matters i'm sure you could go on a video about creating an omelet and there would be if it was a million views you might find a comment that has the word interdimensional in it just because that's how crazy comments are you'll just have everything in there oh my god idiot the last jedi sucked balls they killed star wars you're a hypocrite again malicious malicious threats i don't think he's ambitious your bar is so low you snowflake critical idiot your opinions what he's laughing that's harmless you're laughing that's so harmless what the fuck oh my god screw you screw you do you know oh god screw you this is like i feel that this review is biased is malicious oh my god screw you is malicious i love i'm sorry t ro you were so smug about this section like this took me seconds to find this like this this is not evidence at all awful you should feel bad here like i heard that t ro made a tweet where he was considering taking this video down you should have this it's a bit late now it's too late yes too late now i i save myself a copy i feel that this i can't believe that's referenced as malicious that's insane also i love all these uh these russian fucking profiles bug bug boosts that's the fucking russian if i ever see ro subs no character profile image review is biased i want to smash your head against the wall there you go that's a malicious one you got me wow i hope you can cast me just like this oh so i want a different one to you guys yeah there you go idiot terrible plot thousands of plot holes ruined all the main character social justice for your bs terrible terrible movie one of my mods just said is wolf wolf's bike dead it's like no he's just uh i guess he's just fucking observing me and rags ripping into this well um actually um he's having pizza well no i'm pretty sure he finished there like an hour ago um i'm actually gonna call it a day um yeah so seen a lot of people in the chat post about it and you know mauler i've already talked to you a lot about it rags talked a little bit about it uh yeah i'm gonna be posting a video pretty soon i was planning tomorrow it might be tonight instead um you know a lot of shit that's been going on for the past three months uh a lot of accusations that are incorrect outright bullshit i guess medicare got some comment on one of his streams about it so it's kind of all over the place now so don't really feel like i can really add much to the stream at this point i got you so um yeah i think you know it's gonna be a while before i'm back on e-fap we're back on youtube in general just because i need time to you know fucking not deal with shit so probably gonna post the video later this afternoon or tonight at some point but uh yeah it's just got to i don't think i can really add much you guys are more better with the critical analysis of this clusterfuck of a video anyway so all right well yeah i me and rags can fucking i think even just one of me and rags would have been able to run this stream with how much we talk but like yeah um so don't be confused chat you shouldn't know much about this if you don't know anything about it but wolf's gonna release a video about some stuff that's been going on um and from there is probably gonna take a break for a bit uh so he'll be there's needless to say there's a reason for like why i was so um passionate about the cavanaugh case because it's really reflective of shit i've been dealing with for months and yeah it's it's kind of shitty when you see comments like it all the fucking time every single day day in day out and uh yeah i feel like i'm not really gonna be able to add much to the stream so i think you guys can you can always send us some messages if you ever need anything you know absolutely and i'm sure you'll be missed on e-fap as well so make sure you don't take too long yeah i don't know how long it'll be but um i love you too um but yeah the video will go in depth in it because it's a pretty big fucking video i've been working on it for a lot of weeks at this point so i got you yeah so the video will explain itself and uh yeah i'm just gonna call it a day was uh fun how it lasted i hope you guys survive the next hour and a half oh i'm sure we'll be fine plenty of material to destroy oh yeah yeah well um be well but take the break you need to yeah we'll be around we always are yeah well um you know i'll uh see you guys later yeah see you man and yeah uh we'll probably just like when we get to the end of this stream i'll say something again about what is sort of going on there but it is more for wolf to talk about and there are people who i don't know if they're doing it as a joke or if they're doing it because uh they think that there's there's like a strong case me there's podcasts especially the chat or my discord or even my my youtube videos not really a place where i like to have um discussion on those sorts of extremely personal topics so if you find comments being removed deleted or whatever it's it's literally just because um it's it's against rules or terms of services you put it we've got our own rules set up in um our discord i'm sure rags is the same it's um proliferation of what is essentially pretty harmful content it's the ideas of uh as he said it's come up recently in the political arena so you'll get all the context you need uh i don't know if wolf said it was tonight or tomorrow but he'll be releasing a video for it in the meantime me and uh me and rags are gonna continue with tiaro's absolute slam dunk that there of course exists negative uh malicious videos out there by referencing what was that like not even videos fight well i was gonna say by referencing five comments that weren't even malicious and two the kind of we're like like you know i'll go as far as saying no they absolutely were but um again you could he was really funny about this rags you could have told me these comments were on any video and i believe you oh yeah that's just you oh yeah well there's now i went to the youtube comment section and found some mean comments it's like yeah no shit anyway do you find do you find anything that matters that's the thing if he showed a video of some guy like in a vlog saying i'm gonna fucking kill riot johnson it'd be like oh wow like that that does seem like a little bit more credible than just you know a selection of words in a comment on a random video that everyone gets on everything very strange this is the plot holes rules all the main characters social justice warrior bullshit i mean the the in the voices that go for boys to make them look even less reasonable ranks it's a very clever idea i see terrible terrible movie you can try to sound intelligent if you're uh big words but you're fucking dumb if you think the last jetty was good with this plot holes blatant what about that was malicious is it is it malicious to call someone dumb um f king dumb if you call someone dumb it's okay but fucking dumb that's too far oof the pushing and it's mary sue honestly honestly honestly you can just fuck off wow you're either being paid by kathleen kennedy or your virtue signaling this was a horrible movie only came here was to see more trashing of the last jedi so this section proves that there are people who did not like the last jedi i suppose yeah thanks for this you got me i i there are people out there who didn't like it yeah that's that's what i was saying yep this is ruined but you come off more of an antifa member with talking antifa member i don't know why they need to go there but sure what's that makes no sense this plot was garbage unless your IQ is 17 and you're just a moron help you drop a shit tone of subs you're an idiot if you can't criticize a lot of shit i like that and say it's a good film why are people enjoying things that i don't love oh so is that the point of this section i i guess it was to count to your point and prove that there are malicious people making videos but whatever yeah i was i was kind of going for the shit that matters but i guess he found so he found some mean comments on the on the youtube comment section so yeah all right come on come on it's on like every video wow come to home will be is sjw propaganda there are plenty of asian cast in hollywood yeah i agree i'm i'm sure that comment saying yeah i don't know the whole movie is sjw there are plenty of asians casted in hollywood you are out of line i don't okay all right i'm not i'm just not gonna read that you're offended by the political message being noticed by people who are smart enough not to be indoctrinated by hypocrite woods agenda because you're already a sheeple shill but you just don't know it when you say take away all the story pacing character tone physics lore etc problems then you have nothing left not a movie just the most expensive toy commercial ever made and it didn't sell any toys at xmas time all that was on the toy shelves were star wars toys epic fail as this video is pal as is this video that's not that that bad yeah like i get it it's a little bit like you don't need the political bit but even even with it it's like all that bad it's weird though because when i was saying i wouldn't find in the stuff i noticed i showed like videos that people made but he went like oh i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do the thing that he's looking for i'm gonna go somewhere completely different i'm gonna look for it for a completely different kind of thing than what was clearly displayed to me did he miss the point where you already admitted that you know this happens for everything remember the yeah i got the very very very beginning of the video i was like yeah this happens the other thing everything it is kind of i'm just not i'm not reading this one either you can just see the irony uh-huh that reveal wait wait how was that ironic i guess if you call someone a racist then it's clear that you're the racist i i guess i what i will give them the biggest benefit of the doubt possible overly simple and assume that they they're going to be criticizing him for saying it's good that they casted an asian person if he said that i don't even know and to to deny that would be racist i assume that's that's what i'll go for whatever it doesn't really matter because it wasn't even tiara that said it it was some other guy uh i'm not sure best thing to come out of this treasure trove of intelligence is idiot review wow so malicious what is this section turned into like a comedy bit i i guess i mean it was funny but supposed to be malicious terrible horrible things but were like intended to laugh at them because they shouldn't be taken seriously why did you bother me and rags could find you a list of the reverse people saying this film is incredible you should just fucking die yeah they exist too sounds like it sounds like a boohoo sort of thing to me hmm i was like because i because when i said i didn't find i didn't see any of that maliciousness what i did was i showed a big list of youtube videos that were made a lot of those by big names and he was like oh well instead since he showed youtube videos instead i'll go somewhere completely different i'll go to the youtube comment section i'll find comments like okay i was i was hoping that video i say that's a bit more than a dozen and on top of that no it's not tiaro you didn't prove your point at all yeah it's if anything whole section was fucked yeah you kind of downplayed anything malicious really i have to i'd need him to be here right and say to him tiaro whatever your name is do you think that rags thinks there's not a single comment online that's malicious toward people about the last jedi do you think that's what rags was saying and of course the answer is well obviously not because rags isn't retarded like you would never say that there's not someone out there who threatened to kill somebody because of how bad the last jedi is because it happens to everything and everyone it's just this is like think for a fucking second like that you didn't counter rags you counted a point no one made good job in terms of people's takes and their opinions on the last jedi and to paint them as overly malicious and simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified you know i think that a lot of the discussion surrounding destiny 2 was straight up which we've already dug into enough i yes you lost that was that was a solid point that i made yeah i don't think we dug into it in a way that you think that it's been dug into for sure disagree with ihe that there is no middle ground because i'm kind of on it but his statement is a hyperbole and as i said the film is full of very strong sentiments which will push more people to one side or the other and often certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point is something that arises from did i did it did i ever say anything about that i was that that was what ihe said well the way he just framed that was that he doesn't even agree that there's no middle ground if i'm assuming that you may have said that there's absolutely middle ground and that no i think he was saying that ihe made the comment that it seems like there's no middle ground but i mean there's always middle ground so i don't know let me use the loop real quick even with marmite um you've dug into this yeah i don't think so uh let me rewind see if we can get some extra in simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just sorry is that the way that's edited and anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the he cuts himself off he says like point and then i think he was going to say point honestly what rags said in this bit intelligence is idiot review wow i speechless really i i'm doing i say that's a bit more than a dozen and on top of that rags claims but i watched a lot of content in terms of people's takes and their opinions on the last jedi and to paint them as overly malicious and simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway yeah i guess it could be extrapolated that uh you've you've assumed that i had everything is referring to everyone that way but that's tied into the whole broad strokes thing because i had everything's not just talking about people who threaten murder he's also talking about people who are just critical of the film you know the way that he lumps everything together and the amounts of time he spends talking about it and playing with it yeah and he's kind of fucked because of that one screenshot of the perfectly reasonable accounts basically criticizing the film in the same way that i would and therefore if those people are malicious and simplistic then i suppose i'm in that same collective i have to be because i would be saying the same things as them like i don't think that's too much of a jump from rags i think that's perfectly reasonable yeah i mean all right if that's how you felt but you know i i got what i got wait then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified you know i think that a lot of the discussion surrounding destiny 2 was straight up which we've already dug into enough yeah my point was pretty damn good yeah yeah i got no problem i still understand his his counter to that agree with itch that there is no middle ground because i'm kind of on it but his statement is a hyperbole and as i said the film is full of very strong sentiments which will push more people to one side or the other and often certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point so he he justifies the fact that i had everything said there's no middle ground by saying with stuff like this it's it's easy to see there's no middle ground it's like so you're saying that there is a middle ground and he misses that a lot of videos around well that's kind of what i'm getting at is like there is no middle ground but also i guess the there is but i can see how someone would say there isn't it's just like okay it's inaccurate but it's fair to say sure yeah it's something that arises as the comments are saying here ihe is clearly inflating the malicious aspect of it in order to try and defend absolutely yeah i mean that's part of why a lot of people made the videos the way they did right to try and be less hyperbolic to try and have the opposite side listen you know because it's pretty clear that if you shout at somebody it's rare that they'll actually take in what you're saying that's like you could say there's there's almost a counter culture for that because i'm not the only one who made like long assessments of the film there's there's a lot of people out there so it's over the comment section it's over rags t.r.o has the middle ground the middle ground why are you giving to people who say that any kind of attention well because they exist that's part of the point of oh fuck off you give them attention if they exist oh if people exist they okay if people exist you give them attention there's no that's gonna buy them in the ass one day whenever whenever t.r.o says why are you covering x just just have that prepared in your own head because they exist because they exist that's good enough reason to cover it some somebody out there who has the most ridiculous silly ridiculous trolley opinion that exists on the last Jedi like should you ignore them because there's nothing of merit no cover them because they exist you know that person i referenced earlier on the on the omelette video who mentions interdimensional realities i cover them they exist yeah why not yeah of this video that those people seem over represented in the kind of style they only they seem over ever yeah sure yeah they're absolutely circular if they seem over represented then how you don't overly represent them is you don't represent them someone said t.r.o is on point here he hasn't made sense for a while now yeah this is pretty bad this is one of those circular sorts of things they're part of this you keep looking like a river because they exist they said you keep pausing before he finishes a fucking sentence mate he talks too fast you've got to slow him down and he's made points as he goes says that he covers them because they exist then he moves on to say that it seems to be more negative towards the like i'm guessing the last Jedi obviously that's the topic and both of those points are wrong like it will not not reason enough the fucking idea to cover a comment literally because it exists you don't you think that's that's like the that's literally the lowest standard you could possibly have let's be fair rags let's play the comment again just to make sure certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point is something that arises from that why are you giving the people who say that any kind of attention well because they exist that's part of the point of that's a that's a point that's a con that's a congealed sentence yes because they exist and now he's moving on so is there anyone in chat who thinks that that's completely reasonable as a reason to cover somebody because they exist like i'm not saying again maybe it's unclear it's like of course you can but it's not a reason to do something they exist so say why do you eat that mold well it exists it's bizarre to be like it because as as rags just said it's like why not go for people with me this is a common problem for i hit everything by the way like his comment come back videos he always picks the insane people and it's sad because the man can actually have discussion it's possible so why not take the strong arguments why not go with strong arguments instead of the insane ones yeah i mean some of these don't a lot of these comments that he highly that he highlighted they're not even like they're not even malicious first off but they're just insane and deranged like why even engage it yeah you know it's just it's insane like a remember making a point i'm just using this an example i'm not like trying to be vain here but um my video where i'm talking about the bombs drop in i said that i looked all over online i found four arguments in total in favor of the bombs dropping and i i think i disproved three of them and then one of them i said this is actually fair reasoning and this could work i was like do you see like the conversation that completes there it's like oh this is actually an interesting piece of reasoning for why this this thing would work this way instead i could have just grabbed a bunch of comments that were like you don't think bombs drop in space you should die bombs are made out of anti-gravity generating blueberry jam it's like well and then it was like more why why are you covering the people who are saying you should die if you think bombs can't be dropped in space and then i go well because they exist they exist i mean really you have to cover every comment with that reasoning yeah that point shouldn't this video be filled with millions of comments i don't know they exist this video that those people seem over represented in the current star wars discuss i love that slippery language they seem over over represented like yeah i don't i don't see it i don't see that's exactly what rags already said and he's shown that rags like it didn't seem that way to me here's my uh perception and he shows all the videos and the response is look at these comments i've picked out of millions potentially billions yeah i mean like one of them had like two upvotes after a month man whoosh and if your problem is that they seem over represented then why did you spend so much time in your video putting them front and center yeah and laughing at them and stuff which which is rightful you should be laughing a handful of them because they're silly like the one that you know whatever like as rags just said it's like you talk about how it's like this overwhelming or at least it's a majority of some form but um you also show show comments that have no support do you see do you see how that's interesting it's like if you for example if you pulled a comment that said i ate everything should die and it has like a thousand upvotes that would be a little bit worrying so there you go there's a there's a spiel and it's nauseating and unreasonable a little content is built on responding to people who are being unreasonable and ridiculous i'm sure rags has responded to people being unreasonable and ridiculous as well he's not promising it oh yes me and rags have responded to people being unreasonable and ridiculous yes and we had a gale time to say whether the last shy is good or bad he's just trying to quell the outrage not really too because week you can take a bad example because these videos that we talk about especially on e-fap they try to make points a lot of the times they might not be very well stated they might be contradictory but they have methods of reasoning and there is some sort of thing being said in these things is usually they're coming to a very specific point usually like for example the the Thanos when we covered his specific point was the MCU of endorsed abuse as love that was the the entire video was sort of in favor of that point uh macintosh's overall point was the the last Jedi is about men learning to accept women as people who can help you grow or something like that like these essays usually come to a point and everything is in favor of it so we we go through each part and we judge how accurate to reality it is yeah like the people I make videos to they don't speak gibberish in the truest sense of the word like they make points they're trying to get across an idea a lot of the times they're articles that are filled with thoughts that attempt to push a narrative or to try and convince us of something it's not just a random call it's not a five word comment on the internet that says you are you're crazy or you're stupid or you're horrible because like what's the discuss about I don't want to say this is ridiculous but questioning if it's really something worth getting to the powerful levels of anger that many have expressed and once again how would you be able to determine that anyway exactly that's another thing that's a problem with I had everything's video telling people they should or should not feel well maybe I should clarify that before someone takes me out of context to say that someone shouldn't be x amount of angry about a film that's not a thing yeah that's strange I don't know how you would be able to quantify that or apply that or by what it was like what IT said earlier on this video because they saying it's a Star Wars movie like yeah it is a Star Wars movie but that in and of itself doesn't mean that people can't be upset about it to a degree and I wonder if you know you remember that video where Patrick Williams was like I can't stop thinking about this film it's amazing would you be like dude can you chill down like on that again a bit of like you can't love it that much it's just a film you know like it love being the antonym to hate at this point in my in my assessment I'm saying if you're not allowed to hate it that much surely you're not allowed to love it that much too yeah it's gotta work both ways it's gotta work both ways and again with the amount of steam coming from their head this is one of those things that people say that we do like we're trying to gatekeep how much you're supposed to feel about something yeah but this isn't really a point that we make so much as it's a point that other people make in defense of it but people attribute it to us for some reason it's telling IG what he should be talking about it's his fucking you're doing that right now yeah video all we know is that this is a video about the last Jedi then this inductive reason but you already established the rags would have seen it so he knows exactly what the video is all about which one is it also this music's annoying his name returns when i chi says i've seen the last Jedi three times at the cinema now i never see anything that many times see you can absolutely say this you can say i never see a film more than whatever so that but to the audience we're sitting there like what the fuck does that mean this is like okay because i kind of hate going to the cinema and suddenly rags puts words into his mouth holy shit he doesn't see anything that amount of times but but but the but but the last Jedi was just so good he did he did see it that's the implication of course i'm not even and he says that i'm putting words in his mouth and i haven't yet i'm saying what he said well you you said because did you say because of how good it is so he could argue that you're saying that he's saying he saw it because it's good but i'm pretty sure he argues that the film is good oh yeah he argues it but yeah i'm not putting words in his mouth i'm just restating what he said and not even from his perspective at many times i mean but it's clearly hyperbolic anyway and he's used that defense in this video like rags his avatar is like his jaws drops and he's like whoa you watched it yeah how come you're not utilizing my fucking avatar right now yeah i mean he's not completely dramatizing the side sense completely dramatizing it exactly exactly that's what rags is doing yeah because i g isn't making a point like do you not understand it like i said the audience wonders why is he just brought up that he saw it three times that's doesn't that's not indicative of really anything it's like i enjoyed it that much it's like okay you already know you enjoyed it in chat i he says i went to see it three times rag says i he went to see it three times tiaro says stop putting words in his mouth since from alex when as revealed he only watched it three times doing a clear grasp on how he felt i actually then says collectively i've seen the film four different people oh god i hate this bit levels of star wars fan and all of them enjoyed it two of these four people never go on twitter or reddit so i found their reaction to be genuinely interesting and rags says poor though those four friends so much for the other two he doesn't find you guys genuinely interesting yeah fuck you too it's kind of weird i could have swore at the beginning of this video you were criticizing people for wanting to confirm their biases which is a peculiar point because i actually clearly didn't select his friends to go and watch the movie based on their opinions on the movie that he would have put that in his video if they all didn't like the film yeah yeah i was gonna say i'm pretty sure that was the point you were making not the i had everything selected his friends to see the film with if if these four friends had walked into the movie and they thought the movie was bad there is no way he would have put that in this in this film he made in this video he made as they had never seen the movie when they went with him i can tell you all the times i hit the bullseye that's the point i'm trying to say i don't have to tell you how many times i missed the bullseye that it made earlier of internet echo chambers is that people select to surround them based on pre you select people that you want to watch based off of how they feel about also that's a different conversation rags is saying i had everything is bringing these people into his video and they also just so happened to like the film do you understand it's the same as um h pome guy goes on several rants about uh dark souls and he brings in this anecdote about a friend of his who played dark souls one just didn't like it but then he plays dark souls two and he really liked it it's like okay what about have you got any friends who felt the reverse it's like well if he did they're not gonna come up yeah and it's strange because however many of your friends like the movie or not doesn't mean anything exactly that's kind of what you get the whole thing is like this this doesn't matter like you could have brought a busload of 100 people in and they all could have loved the film and made a cult around it but doesn't mean anything no what his friends would come out thinking to this point just doesn't hold up i g then speaks about his son fucking what he found that piece of art that's he there no wow um but did the research on your avatar apparently that's a i think of all i've only posted that avatar once on twitter i think on like a long time ago that's interesting but um yeah the point is if they yeah he you can so he can show everyone how many times you hit the full side his value immediate experiences with the film the first viewing i was genuinely on i'm sorry okay see if tiara was here i have to i beg him do you not understand how hilarious it is that he says on my third viewing i wasn't bored it's so funny sign me up it's just like what are you what kind of what if you weren't bored okay feelings but had an overall positive outlook and vibe the second viewing i had a yeah it's like there's so little to go by here well yeah this is surface level uh initial vague feelings and you could be like that's what we sharing you'd be like but why yeah this is like once you once you walk out of the the theater here write your thoughts on this fortune cookie quick you're like uh it's like a six on the emotional scale of happy and you're like okay good thank you and watch it again it's like a five now the third time you go you know i don't use a number i was not bored it's like okay feelings but i had an overall positive outlook and vibe the second viewing i had a much better time the third time i just had a good experience and was never bored this this course this vex's rags how does this not vex you exactly it's such a it's nothing that's nothing like what are we supposed to do with that rags who clearly desires a more substantive argument and maybe he spent too much time around people who like more do seem to see in reviews that is no discreet way you don't need to do okay if you're you've been brought up you have been brought up he's he's saying like okay more he doesn't seem to seem reviews uh i had everything he's sharing initial reaction it's like but i had everything knows how to be substantive he's done it before yeah and i'm not this is the typical quite frankly stupid shit that i hate seeing is that oh you you wanted more than this extremely short vague thing you must have wanted a scene for scene yeah review of the film as if there's no middle ground which is yeah there's no middle ground if i if i thought that the idea that you went in and on your third viewing you said you weren't bored and i think that wasn't all that much and so your takeaway from that is that i needed a scene for scene review of the film i swear i was like dude seriously if you watched a new film and i was like what do you think and all you told me was you went bored i'd be like fucking go on that means the film is probably bad if the the only thing i come out thinking saying i was not bored sounds like criticism it's like well yeah it's like well i mean what can i say i i wasn't bored make it to more during this video is a very valued take and five hours of detail is highly commendable but no one is entitled to that level of things i'm titled to that he thinks that i'm entitled to mauler level reviews and this fuck off i don't know how he extrapolated that from you that you were like i demand a mauler level analysis from i hate everything it's like she because if it's it's either a three word review or it's mauler level there is nothing in between to give you an example because i'm subscribed to it i hate everything still and he released a video very recently like a couple days ago yeah uh the quest for the best where he reviews five films in 27 minutes so let's break that up uh what's what's 27 divided by five it's about five let's say about five minutes of film with some intro and outro so he says more in those five minutes per film than he does in this entire 17 minute i think it was video for the last jedi rags his criticism is not that he did not uh speak about what he wanted it was that he's wasting fucking time in this whole video yeah what if you are trying to defend a film and you say on my third viewing i wasn't bored that isn't that's not good he actually uses some arguments i'm not gonna say soon let's say eventually later i don't he said he said he actually references real things that happen and says why they're good the that's what we call substance versus saying i wasn't bored okay hopefully we're clear on that now it's like a child went in to see star wars and wrote this down and then the third time i wasn't bored you'd be like carlton you need to be more specific okay he's like but i wasn't bored but i don't want to make a five hour review i didn't i didn't say it it is just a selfless blessing and on top of that some people don't want that sort of content we okay stop with this tangent that's not what rags are saying don't want a world in more than some just want to let me reference me again as if rags was asking for five hours i hear a quick rundown and whether you want to hear it or not other people i love how you've already referenced you watched what was it like 30 videos and some of them are gonna be like five minutes yeah some of them are pretty short shorter than i hear everything just want to hear someone casually expressing their opinions people are criticizing what isn't there how is i'm sorry ah i wasn't bored is that like a is that a really interesting opinion to to get across to people like genuinely it's subjective sure but what is your take tiaro on someone saying i wasn't bored if you make a video and your defense of the film because you're kind of starting to get into actually defending the film sort of and you start off by saying kind of what you felt and stuff like that and so you say i watched it three times first off that would give a lot of people reasonably the impression that you have some you know you really know the film inside and out you saw it three times that's a lot that's more than i've seen the film but i would also expect more than at the end of the third viewing of this whole film i wasn't bored yeah and that's what it comes back to me reasonably think that that's a little lacking he's pushing this to like places where they talk about fucking putting words you're putting words and i ate everything's mouth like what are you doing jesus rather than what it's from an idealistic standpoint is all about ones as she oh and yeah so to clarify the sentence was i genuinely had a good time and i was never bored it's so it's not just saying he wasn't bored but uh yeah it was another there was another meaningless thing attached to it yes well yeah had a good time it's like sure again this is so what i would call placid it's just like but even then that doesn't have anything to do with the film's quality i mean like that's why you can watch the room and have a good time again that would just be questioning what what it's supposed to be aiding overall isn't it quality what what do you yeah what exactly what part of quality are you looking for doomed expectation and this is something that we'll talk about later with the last shed I went into this video expecting i ate everything to talk about the film at hand with some good production value and intriguing opinions i got what i expected sure he plays me i didn't i was just as much a fan of him as you were tiaro when it's on the response but the response was still relative to the last Jedi and the midsection was still filled with his thoughts on it so i can't really complain on that behalf as a general premise you draw these expectations from previous videos from the youtuber and videos as a concept youtube is i don't need to know what kind of videos he makes to point out that what he says in a video is lacking not only that what is tiaro saying here it's like rags you have a standard and just because he didn't reach that standard that does not mean that you should criticize yeah i mean like my standard is not exactly high yeah i was gonna say now just i just wanted something talk about something substantive that's it that's all rags once yeah someone said are you are we being told how to properly watch youtube now different people i h you may speak more about the nitpicks but that doesn't make his points invalid especially as he acknowledges them as nitpicks i don't think rags said his yeah thing was invalid he might do later on but he certainly hasn't said it so far yeah he never declares there to be no reasonable criticism of the film his implication is that there is a disproportionately high amount of people overreacting to the yes and he lumps in the people who are being very reasonable and calm in with the people who are threatening death like that's the that's the whole point that rags is making and this whole thing is a fucking non sequitur exactly what has this got to do with what we were just covering yeah this is just like words pictures things like this is a star wars film there may be reasons that explain that mentality but it doesn't necessarily mean that there are reasons that make that mentality right an ouchy is not inherently wrong to criticize it i don't think he's since when did rags i'm not saying you're wrong to criticize it saying that it's wrong to criticize isn't the same as your criticism specifically can be wrong also stop referencing this screenshot the screenshot does not help you yeah stop using it uh and correct in bud my standards aren't high for this purpose right here obviously i'm gonna like give me my standards for everything aren't low but sometimes so like a youtube video my standards will be lower than you know who i'm gonna marry or something like that obviously everybody has different standards for everything obviously gum read muskovic is your platform to be angry that he's chosen to address that's it moves towards his puritan narrative where people say what we really tarot really we're going okay i'm just gonna ignore that one he should be doing rather than how well we're doing it and if he had implied that we were somehow going to get something that we subsequently didn't then there may be cause for complaint but he never this is an insane overanalyzation of things that were never said yeah like i feel like we're being forced to repeat ourselves because it's the same shit uh yeah like rags did not say i hate everything was supposed to do x and he did why rags is criticizing what i had everything put forward yeah i never said anything really about what i i i'm not really specific a lot of times about what i want because it's almost like what what you want oftentimes is kind of like um a good analogy would be like you're at a buffet you don't know exactly how much you're going to eat so you don't know exactly how much to put on the plate but once you've had enough you know you're there yeah they gave you any promises this is just his opinion you're not entitled to it too much out this is just rags opinion yeah i don't think that his his three micro reviews if you could call him that i thought they were hilarious because of how bad they were and how much they didn't help his point that's where i'm at with those i feel like if tiaro if none of this had happened and tiaro was just watching that video with me and i like pointed that out i feel like he'd just agree he'd be like yeah that i don't know why he just said that that was weird but like because this has been built up as a sort of war between these content creators it's like he's having to defend even the stupidest stuff like if you guys ever catch me saying and you know what i went to see venom for a third time and i wasn't bored in my review of venom i just feel like you can ask me why i threw that in there and i could be like oh shit yeah i probably should have gotten that out in a redraft because it just doesn't add anything to anything but again it's just his opinion rags so you can't criticize him but then this is just your opinion so tiaro can't criticize you but then that's just his opinion so we can't criticize his video i guess it just goes on forever i guess we have to close the stream especially when his feelings are based on initial viewings you complain that his responses on his viewings are too casual but many people don't yep but this isn't this is i hate everything we're talking about video when he like edited it and he uploaded it and it was a time after is like he's not actually walking out of the theater here he's made it he made a youtube video come out of first viewings immediately with notes taken he's expressing what he felt at the time because that's a part of his stuff okay i don't care if other people enjoy it it was really not that good for his video it didn't help again that's not really what rags was saying rags didn't say nobody enjoyed i hate everything's video why would he but not every film was better on the second viewing and it's not a wildly accepted view as i actually says the second viewing i had a much better time it's widely accepted that the film is a lot better the second time is it oh it's such a stupid myth and i swear it got propagated just to give the fucking film more sales like what was what is it that you know like this film's like the prestige even x mark in a there's a couple of others where um watching it a second time allows you to understand more about the narrative or what's what's occurring let's say even that's a very well saying uh what about the last jedi makes more sense or congeals better after a second viewing and i'm not saying that it's impossible to enjoy it more in a second viewing that's not what i'm saying i'm saying what what can you reference in the film that functions better after you see it for the second time rather than the first yeah like if you're trying to convince somebody that it is better on a second viewing what would you use to convince somebody of that oh is is that a widely accepted thing i i had no idea honestly but then somehow goes on to imply that i actually was somehow being dishonest as people who go and watch it a second time must be only people who really like it i mean i would imagine that if people really that's that's the perfectly reasonable conclusion the people who are seeing it for a second time probably liked it already yeah that is a very reasonable thing why would i go and pay to see it again if i hated it yeah of course it's like that's fucking common sense if you hate the film why would you pay again especially with how expensive movies are to see it again to go through an experience that you hated plus fuck this loudass music really didn't like it at all they wouldn't go and pay to see it a second time the only people who would see it multiple times are probably people who really liked it but okay i guess which is weird considering ouchy has said he just wanted a more concise view on his feelings of the film but he said that he liked it after his first viewing he said it's commonly accepted that the film is better on a second viewing which is bullshit because it comes from people who probably liked it already do you understand brexit's point and remember ouchy said he liked it after his first viewing ouchy said that i'm going by what he said did you not listen to the words coming out of my car and there is no reason to contradict that statement whatsoever other than an attempt to present him as he literally did say that i'm going by what he said tero this video is awful why aren't you listening to me more biased than he actually is so we can rain down heavier criticism on ouchy rags then disputes there's completely fair criticism from my perspective but there we are ouchy's point that the last joy isn't a remake of the empire by referencing an article that notes its similar plot points in both the last jedi in the empire strikes back we follow our heroes on a single ship on the run through space from the empire first order's most powerful capital ships meanwhile luke and rey are off on remote planets learning the ways of the force from jedi masters who are pretty cagey about taking on new pupils at first both luke points aren't what comprise a film i'm sorry is he playing your video alongside speaking was that what was just happening so we have the loud ass music we have me talking and then he was talking over me oh like let's just get that from an editing standpoint is like oof let's just get that i had do i opposed i was like rags you talking over the video also um i think in ihe's video he said that there wasn't he said that there were similarities made between the last jedi plot and the plot of the empire strikes back he said that wasn't true and so i just googled it yeah because there is yeah there's a lot of visual references as well um the like i think i said it on the stream we did all the way back when about star wars where i was annoyed that when they go through like the crystal cave bit and it's all like oh it's so close oh well they make it it's a complete redo of the final run in uh return of the jedi and they play the same music as well and i was like so it's it's blatant then they're doing the same thing and that's that's one of the vaguer references the ones you're referencing are pretty much just one for one yeah i just went to the nerdest is like you can explain this thing and it's the same scenes pupils at first both luke points aren't what comprise a film alone can't believe he's got music his voice and your voice at the same time what the fuck it's yeah i don't know man get better people edit your stuff would agree that there were some similar natures that ran slightly too close i certainly wouldn't say that it can be induced that the film was just a quote remake of the other on top wait did you say it was a remake of empire would you say it has i can't remember but you know based off in plus he cut me off like i keep going like over the similarities like well there's the he didn't let he didn't let my thing finish because i keep going on and on from this article about all the ways that they're similar he didn't let that play out hmm probably because it would make me look right we don't we don't need that getting in the way ranks france was in fact praising the movie as staying true to the original themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too deep hang on a minute he's staying true to a theme a literally ripping scenes and plot is the two different things we could argue that the theme is the same in episodes four five and six but they're not the same films yeah i mean look if you're trying to convince somebody that these like if there there are two opposite opposing sides of the argument that these two films are similar and their structure yes or no and i come out saying all right here's a scene by scene comparison that i found that i'm just going to give you the list from nerdist.com da da da da happens and this happens and this happens in this and it has side by side pictures of the scenes and explanations and you're like oh yeah well that's not everything dude look at the chat i realize how much themes is a trigger word for our audience themes themes well what different rags even at knowledge is that these i need to pee i'll be right back talk about everyone in chat discuss themes beautiful wonderful themes that's that's like three times rags gone to toilet i haven't done it once yet it looks like the bladder power is over in britain compared to america that is confirmation should we talk about the theme of bladders guys i feel like if you made a movie it was really bad but you had the theme of bladdery ludicrous it's like a spell no i feel like that would save the movie personally ripping off equals themes my themes narrative triplets i love predator's themes of weaponizing autism yes see they are different themes but they didn't even steal the same scenes which is cringy more just right fans or disney marysu defenders i don't know you can get all kinds of cringe on both elements including this probably cringy people in our own fan bases you never know i'm here here we go it's similar i mean this truck so we can't hold this pay well i'm actually doing um in less than a month i'm going to the grand canyon to do a rim to room hike and so the i'm drinking a shit ton of water because it helps you prepare for the elevation because i live in arkansas and we are not very high up and the grand canyon is very high up well that explains the plot hole yeah everyone was like you must have a shit ton of water the bladder of an like a size of an acorn and that just doesn't like like i'm telling you i i drink water like a fish but um there you go it's good for you drink water my pee is like it comes in clear it goes out clear man that's how it is beautiful isn't this i i i've had that when you drink shit tons of water it's just like wait like i don't even know if i need to flush or not that's the thing man yeah probably safe to just just give it the old flush you know just just you fact praise in the movie are staying true to the original themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too different rags even at knowledge is that the stretch is so it stays true to the original themes and it has a i think we're gonna have to go back because i'm lost already can ray are off on remote planets learning the ways of the force from jedi masters who are pretty cagey about taking on new pupils at first both luke and ray are what comprise a film alone and although i would agree that there was some similar now plot points don't comprise a film alone what rags is describing is the plot this is the plot titanic bit of a film is the plot and the chase that takes care of basically everything up to crate and crate is a rip off of hoth and then luke stories a rip off of yoda's that is the entire film except for kanto bite oh also them on the supremacy or whatever it's pretty it's pretty tough to listen to all that and be like yeah they weren't so they were also yeah that's really cheap i'm gonna say it that's really cheap rags goes on to basically throw out the entire story being a rip from the the article and tiaro's cut him off to say just take your point doesn't comprise a film yeah for the first time he does like a fade out effect like he i could go i go on and on but he doesn't let me the theme of plot which is around slightly too close i certainly wouldn't say that it can be he says a quote remake did you say remake because obviously the last Jedi isn't a complete remake because it's not a complete remake but shit man that plot is really really skipping over the same beats and doing the same thing of they're clearly dancing to the same tune here on top of this the article he referenced was in fact praising the movie as staying true to the original i don't care it doesn't matter if it was that doesn't matter if it was praising or castigating it that would be like talking about me saying kanto bites terrible listen to this account of it and you see the account and then it turns out that was a part of a video where they said the film is great apart from kanto bite yeah it's like this doesn't matter whether you think it's good or not very odd point to make themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too different rags even at knowledge is that the structure is similar i mean the structure is really really really similar but a film doesn't require just structure to qualify as a remake i'm still kind of did you say it was a remake i can't i don't know it was months and months this this entirely relies on the fact that you just said that it's similar instead of saying it's exactly the same means to me you probably didn't say it was a remake i mean it's really really really besides i don't know it feels a little bit like pedantic to be like it's not a complete remake unless it's literally everything is the same it's like of course no film is going to be the you know like a psycho got remade in 2001 i think from nineteen like sixty something and it's a shot-for-shot remake but it still has stuff that's different in it you know like there's there's a scene where something slightly different happens i'd be like see not a remake because it's not entirely the same i would be interested like at this point like what really is the big differences between the two other than like just general competence and like i don't know in microcosm this just seems to be you pointing out that i hate everything is wrong to say that it's not ripping from the original but if i ate everything's point was originally it's not a complete remake it would be like well yeah but even then i could be like yeah but it's close oh it's close like wait a wait a shove-off criticism like you know force awakens it's not a complete remake of episode four but everyone accepts that it's a complete fucking remake of episode four you know what i mean yeah then there's just some pointless back and forth i actually says but at the very least you have to admit this is something new for the franchise no one saw this story coming the film gave us something different and rags takes advantage of the low hanging fruit to express his disappointments with the film i mean people expected things to be done characters to be expanded upon relationships to be made arcs to be developed rivalries to be fostered some cool interesting information that maybe was a callback to something that we might have previously been hinted about but no there was none of that and even if you hate the law that was low hanging fruit that was low hanging fruit that's an that's an awfully that's not a very nice thing to say about i hate everything yeah i was actually that was gonna be my first point outside of the fact that i don't think it was low hanging fruit to actually refer to i hate everything's point is something that's so easy to counter i don't know why mention how high this fruit is or not he said it this should i have ignored it also i don't know why he sped up your voice i guess because they did comment on how they find your voice annoying to listen to at the beginning maybe that's what that is i guess i don't know i don't know why that makes it any less annoying but it's weird that he would bring up this point after saying will i mention those comments because they exist so why does it matter how high the fruit is after all it exists it's a high claim there's some more complaints from rags about how he hasn't spoken about the film yet for perspective we would be four minutes into ii cheese video that's not a particularly long introduction segment for an approximately 20 minute video it's just long when you interject in every fucking sentence kind of like how you're doing right now yeah what is this supposed to yeah i don't even agree with him that you shouldn't interject but that's what he's doing i will interject whenever i have something to say and first off why are you criticizing me for the film or for the video that you wanted also implying that every not every sentence is important that he scripts and he's like this is some of the shitty sentences you don't need to respond to them but yeah this is silly coming from to ro he's very usually meticulous especially with this video so don't yeah this was very bad this rags is then annoyed that i chi explained his cinema experience rather than a formal review all right you said you were gonna talk no stop reframing what rags is doing it's really getting tired so it's like rags you're just upset that he's not doing exactly what you want to do it's like no i hate everything opened with saying the response to the last jedi has been what do you say malicious and sim overly simplistic and then references a bunch of people with legitimate points in that little screenshot then ties everyone together in it and then says he wasn't bored while watching it it's it's an awful video about your thoughts about the movie but you said so little what do you expect for us to take away in spite of the fact that we're around four and a half minutes in and he will later embellish these narratives so my question stands yeah the question the question stands like what are we supposed to take away by from what you just said and he's he's qualified it as an intro that four minutes what are we supposed to take nothing from an intro yeah why make him oh it'd be it's just if he talked if he said something i mean normally when you say something you want people to take something away from it so i'm like what did you want us to take away from what you said clearly just your opinion there right i guess once again that's i actually style i achieve that it's his style to say nothing in his introductions okay it's i i'd like to think i give i h e a little more credit than troda yeah and says i'd like to think people who genuinely hate star wars wouldn't waste their time going to see it ranks what the fuck why is it it's you it's immediately like stop framing it like the people who hated it just hated it because they hate star wars that's not and you could be like that's not what i had everything said you'd be like uh fine points out this is a bad statement and seems to imply that this might contradict it but you clearly think that they did based on what you said at the beginning of this video but it does not let's put the two sentences together it comes across as if some people go into the movie expecting to hate it although i would like to think the people who generally hate star wars wouldn't they're not contradictions as they're both built on conditions i achieve then expresses that he is a fan of movies first and a fan of star wars secondly rags acknowledges this and expresses his own feelings on it well that makes a little bit of sense i felt like ryan johnson was giving star wars the middle finger seemingly positioning himself as a star first how is that putting myself as a star wars fan first yeah no what rags is saying is that if you're a fan of films before star wars the last Jedi will be easier to consume yeah i have no idea how that is in any way a contradiction yeah well he say that means that rags is a fan of star wars before uh films it's like no it's not rags to say that to say that ryan johnson treated the series disrespectfully means that i'm a star wars fan before a movie fan that doesn't make any sense i chi then says i think this perspective is important because i feel like i and many others are looking at this movie in a totally different lens to a lot of other people and rags straw man's this on the basis of his earlier statements about how i achieve must have only liked the pretty visuals and nothing else you wanted to see pretty graphics and it has star wars in it so it must be good i don't know the context of that so i can't say either way uh legitimate with him with him talking and stuff i don't know where one video begins and one doesn't and if the two things are together that's the thing like that's why i like my format so much better because it's so much more simple oh yeah just play video respond play video respond but uh what i got from that is i hate everything says i went into this film with a particular lens and then implying that's why he didn't hate it like compared to other people who did and then you respond with oh yeah the lens of you want to see pretty visuals and blah blah blah blah okay gotcha like it's obviously you're being coy again because you're implying that his point is kind of worthless he said it would be like this film is being hated by people but if i go into it i don't hate it because i'm looking at it through a particular lens it's like what even point are you making and you you filled in a blank that obviously you did i doubt if you would ask yourself in that very moment did i hear everything say that he only likes it for the pretty visuals you'd be like we'll know but it's like because it's universally pretty much agreed that things like the effects and the cinematography are amazing across the spectrum yeah and those aren't exactly um controversial things to say at this point which herring is the problem with this video self-awareness he criticizes you for not giving i had everything enough benefit of the doubt and putting things in his mouth etc and it's like you're doing the exact same thing to rags yeah that's the thing i'm like some people comments there in the in the chatter saying is like i don't it's hard to get a context of what i'm saying to what because the editing is so confusingly done yeah like it's hard to tell remember like the line his defenses have included i had everything is being um hyperbolic he's joking or he said uh what was the one uh sympathetic or something something to do with feelings that's the one so sentimental joking and hyperbolic he's used those as defenses for i had everything so how can we not apply them to everything you're saying you are being hyperbolic in your response to him just then deliberately that's that would be my assessment so i'm curious how tRO would be able basically he sells as much benefit of the doubt to i had everything as he can and he takes as much as he can away from you clearly and that's not me it's pretty clear who's side who's on but we should know that because and i can i can see why the right opinion have a hand to play in ihs video yeah which is a video like if you are a true star wars fan you'd hate what this movie did i see so many comments exclaim yeah it's silly for people on the internet to decide who and who isn't a true fan of something which once again rax question why is this music so loud and what the hell's the tone of it like dun dun dun dun dun dun yeah it's really i'm not saying that's that's not an argument that he's wrong who isn't a true that's not an argument that's wrong shit sorry there you go it's not i'm not saying it's an argument he's wrong i'm saying this is annoying editing stop whoever added to this part stop leave for people on the internet to decide who and who isn't a true fan of something again why are you finding these comments well by what met by what standard yeah obviously you fucking idiot if they're there it's because he chose to put them there fucking stupid idiot as if rax is disputing that like yes i'm just yes i i couldn't have figured out the right opinion i couldn't have figured out that the reason they're in your video is because you put them in your video yeah fucking brilliant analysis it's not what i'm asking exist rags a doctored screenshot you know that video i released randomly of just corpse rotting on the road they were like why did you release that it exists because i decided to it exists i uploaded the video that's why ah this just not an argument it feels like rax is annoyed at having to agree with him so he has to take issue even when there isn't one he know because this is a repeat of before rags is commenting again on how i hit everything brings in these extremely hyperbolic and stupid comments to respond to and then also be like negative response you see negative response is ridiculous it's like no yes geez and the ah the idea that you can is that you can unironically say it's there because he decided to put them there no fucking shit sherlock he then says would you yourself try to paint as irrelevant and not worthy of your time when from my perspective it was just a joke he there you go again well it's oh well if he's okay well if he is joking i wish i could joke i wish i wish rags would get that benefit yeah it would be nice if rags got that every once in a while but never mind then claims me even though you address these kinds of things so much in this video instead of the actual critic yeah and rags is right he's simultaneously puts look how look how irrelevant this comment is he's put negative four million votes on it then he's also saying this is everywhere this is the thing we need to respond to yes like is he saying by putting negative four hundred thousand or whatever he's saying that nobody agrees with it nobody ever would agree with it and how minuscule and pointless it is like he himself through this edit he made is saying that it's ridiculous and it shouldn't have attention paid to it but he's paying it so much attention and i'm like yeah when's the criticism of like the film gonna start like we're gonna say anything that like matters or as if his video which is initiating discussion on a general topic and highlighting the toxicity of debates is meant to address every single last criticism rags once again seems to think that these come no rags just wanted you to address the reasonable ones the ones with merit he made that very clear he said the word merit fuck you as if rags wants you to fucking respond to every single criticism that ever existed about this film i want you yeah obviously obviously i don't want you to spend all of your time talking about this silly ridiculous comments that you yourself believe are so silly and ridiculous you edit them to look so comments are either uncommon or non-existent rags then says it's avoiding things that should be talked about you are clearly avoiding things that should be talked about it's star wars not a fucking missile crisis who are you to decide what should and should not be talked about depends on the context if you want to hear absolutely if you're gonna say let's talk about the quality of the last jedi okay well there's some subjects we should cover and it's like who the fuck are you to say who someone should talk well you should talk about now isn't it i i would maybe i'm giving people like tro the the benefit of the down maybe giving i'm giving them too much credit by thinking that we can come together and decide what is valid criticism or not you know like some nobody on the internet with no subs who made a comment months ago that hasn't gotten any attention exactly that doesn't have any substance to it is like yeah i think most people can agree that we can ignore that and instead move to things like videos that talk about the plot issues or the character issues or the pacing issues or the editing mistakes i guess i gave too much credit someone just said the guys lie he should be responding to everything since they exist it's true they do exist and talk about a film more in depth then go and watch another video you can't dictate what their topics should yeah that's not what rags did so yeah it's not you can discuss their execution or you want but there is a difference he has never declared this as an in-depth review not every fucking have to declare it when he's talking about the quality of the film yeah what what what is this nonsense as well it's like he's just sharing his feelings rags you can't criticize that oh this is like an obsession with uh the idea that rags just wants something specific from the video when he can't stop highlighting uh the need for substantive arguments that's what rags is actually doing also i think he's gone for something a sec who are you to choose who's relative in this discussion but they exist do we exist does this chat exist oh tiaro ti are oh very misguided video like um it would be interesting to see how this video would have looked if i was able to just talk to him for half an hour before it what's this all that would have been required to dissolve most of this because i don't know why i don't know why you'd want to choose this video from i had everything to defend as well it's just such this is a bad one this is a bad one and everything the way he defends it he does on his channel is a review and not everyone who is subscribed is subscribed for the reviews it's not what rags said anyway yeah i don't care white people are subscribed to whatever anybody i don't it doesn't matter looking at recent releases hunt down the freedom was just a discussion youtube in the news that's not this is not relevant i don't care about any of that stuff he's like rags is demanding things from the channel assuming stuff based on this other videos like no rags has already made it clear he's only seen this video so i don't know what you're doing here as a thought piece the only things that are always actual views are his search for the worst series and even then he doesn't discuss every element this channel doesn't take doesn't counter anything rags said these topics too seriously the title suggests that it's i ate everything and he talks about the last Jedi that's pretty much what you i'm not expecting him i'm not expecting him to expect me to like it it's ridiculous why why this long tangent that doesn't mean anything rags said he should talk about specific things to do with the film like criticisms if he's gonna be making statements about the film's quality and then there's the thing like we've gone over plenty of this video to imply that i ate everything is doing an assessment of sorts and we've already covered as well he said that the people in that screenshot were being malicious and overly simple and it's like you're not even addressing their arguments if you're gonna say that they're overly simple fucking address their arguments and explain how i would love to have some arguments about this film be presented man instead of just shitting on all these people and then being like it's his video rags he can do as he wishes got whether you like it or not if he presented this as an in-depth critique maybe your quants would be more just as if as if he did that you'd still be making this fucking video yeah he reached right but i beckon you to find where he premised that rags then talks about this brand movie distinction in response to ie's facetious claim that no one hates star that's not that's an incorrect uh usage of facetious but that's a good that was more than star wars fans referencing mohler's theory i guess it is true but no one quite hates star wars as much as star wars fans mohler who i spoke of earlier wrapped up his trilogy of criticism videos on the last jedi with this message it seems very appropriate here ultimately star wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters as a byproduct they fell in love with a brand that brand lives on today and now star wars as a brand is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way it doesn't matter what it is anymore just as long as it's called star wars which as a theory must i say is a damn interesting one but a theory nonetheless unless you present oh jesus christ i want where he wants me to go he wants you to present irrefutable evidence that people like star wars for shallow reasons in relation to the franchise being made into products and merchandising go for it rags make that video man it's why don't you just take the theory and like talk tell me what you think about it give me something give me instead of saying well unless you can prove it empirically you're not gonna maybe he will say some about it but if he doesn't i'm like man that's just so dismissive hmm b however it doesn't seem particularly relevant from my point of view as i said i do not think that i cheese in love with the brand from what has been witnessed and it being used in this way just see well he kind of admitted that to me and wolf he said that he likes the film in spite of its poor quality that must be related to his love for star wars it's like there you go yep yes like it's one of those yeah straight from i ate everything's mouth tro you are wrong well he's quinton said something later on like um if more was to speak to i ate everything all he would say is that's an interesting perspective you have that's your opinion it's like but that's not what even happened when we had our conversations to get fun yeah it's like you guys just say wrong this stuff is wrong it's just not correct you say a thing and it's like nope we've got it straight from the horse's mouth here you're just wrong to gaslight his opinions before they've even been stated then it uses a mark it's only a movie and if you think you're gonna go into the movie and recapture your childhood you're setting yourself up for the disappointment which once again is summing up the message of his video the sort of don't take it too seriously guys yeah that's an interesting take it's a very interesting take when i when i saw that clip from our camel after seeing the film i was like oh oh that's what that meant this poor broken man this poor poor man to take that as you know you're just gonna take some risks gonna be interesting films like mmm that is rags responds this with an onslaught of mark hamel interviews where he expressed out oh you're gonna bring mark hamel into the exactly man you're gonna bring mark hamel into it all right let's play some other clips shall we yeah maybe this is like this is pretty uh this is pretty rough if you're gonna bring up mark hamel in his opinions all right let's get into mark hamel in his opinions exactly before he bowed down to disney okay no one can hear this nobody can fucking hear this shit what's the point in speeding up to the point we can't even hear it here's the thing it's gonna take throat i'm gonna give you some advice so this right here is bullshit what you do in this video right now if you're gonna play something then you play it to where it can be understood because if you don't that's slimy shit you understand if you're gonna play stuff he might not have edited this though i know but he proved he approved it no that you're right you're right about that yeah uh this i'm more commenting on how interesting that dynamic is it's like he doesn't even have control over the clips that have even played well we assume maybe it's in the script maybe it's in the script a lot of f's in the chat i'm guessing they're from mark hamel yeah i'm telling you look if you're gonna put this stuff in your video i don't it's it's just not it's it doesn't give the good impression to the viewer that you're doing this from a good place i mean at least it's the one one time but genuinely like let's let's just give this a small rewind can you understand this character i heard character what's the fucking point in playing you may as well played one clip clearly instead of might as well you might as well have just censored my video because he can't understand him you're playing the clip but you sped it up to a point where people can't understand what he's saying so as a result these are points that i'm this is a point that i am making in my video this is a point that's supposed to have like substance and merit to it as a response to ihe bringing up mark hamel and you're just gonna play it in your video where people can't hear my side that's scummy dude yeah i'm not sure i think i think i wouldn't do that someone else and you could do it in your videos if you really want to but i wouldn't do that to somebody else i think the goal here is gonna be that he's gonna be like look at all these clips he's played a mark hamel fine but look at these clips like everyone always uses the counter that mark has now said that the film is good so if that's what he's gonna do at least that has some form of design behind it but it's still pretty shit to skip past these like why even show them if you're gonna do this oh man this is that's a great clip he says that it doesn't matter if the movie is good as long as it makes money i know that clip but he just fucking skipped it i know that clip too remember kids if you get into hollywood it doesn't matter how good it is or what the quality is or the only thing that matters is that if it makes money yeah and he's a fucking odd topic about transformers and comparing it to the force awakens which that's pretty heavy kill me from mark hamel someone's saying that this is narrative tripling is when he tripled the speed and listen hamel's character missed the mark for me on premise however most these interviews followed through with context that hamel was actually quite happy with the final product and that he did accept it no prove it he didn't he didn't have a chance he had to accept it that wasn't his decision to make whether he accepted it or not and besides the context that i remember from a lot of those clips is he'll end it by saying but you know this is not luke's story this is not my movie this is ryan's movie and i have to there's even a clip where he says this is a hundred percent ryan's movie so if it's good it's his fault if it's bad it's also his fault and the thing is if you're gonna say that right after playing the clips but we can't understand them i mean how much more of an impact would it have had if you could actually hear mark hamel in my clips and then the right opinion said oh but he loves the film it's great yeah and talk about effectiveness for editing you show the clip the rags shows then you go but how did that clip end and you drag it from its source and show the immediately after mark goes but the film is amazing and you'd be like why did you clip that out rags that would be something but what he did here i don't even i'm not even following really like this is like oh man this is like scummy narrative tripping i like i'm i'm saying i you could make your videos however you want them but i would never do this to somebody else and maybe that's the difference between you and me the right opinion maybe that's the big difference between you and me you put more music in your videos right loud music and play someone else talking when you talk jesus even if he initially objected to it and i think development of such is very interesting so to frame it is just hamel unequivocally hating it is kind of undermining the actual no rags said it's interesting you're playing some clips from mark hamel let's play some other ones i don't know if did you say mark hamel hates the last jedi did you say that definitively i can't remember i don't know it's even if you like if i had to choose between if i had to choose between he hates it or he loves it i'd say yeah he hates it same but i suppose it's we can just say we're being hyperbolic can't we yeah we're being hyperbolic tiaro in fact we're joking or uh we're being sentimental yeah one of the complexity in his thoughts the interviews with him are very interesting we wouldn't know because we wouldn't know because we couldn't hear him oh we got a new editor in part edited by happycraft tv like the part coming up for the part of that no idea dude i don't know well let me give you some editing advice clarify that please ask if it's a mistake that you even if you said this part edited is like you mean the upcoming part or is this part of the part that you played or someone's brought up in chat and again we did bring it up it could be the fault of the editors but it's like that's you can't do that you have to accept that you're still responsible for the video yeah it's on your channel if i let somebody edit my video and there's like full frontal nudity halfway through it then i'm responsible because i didn't because i proved it yeah he tiaro must have approved the video we have to assume that youtube search box feels that mark hamill hates the last jedi do you think it is a mistake for youtube's algorithm to go ahead and not oh fill mark hamill to mark hamill hates the last jedi but the search box is much more based on popular demand what people think rather than what mark hamill thinks himself from i don't think rags said that's what mark hamill this that was based on what he thinks you just you just highlight it is a very interesting thing yeah yeah i'm basically saying this is a very interesting thing because there ain't one for mark hamill loves the last jedi which makes you think hmm why are so many people interested in mark hamill not loving the last jedi in the whole names views of icing he genuinely seems passionate about the movie and i think him stating his apprehensions just makes it seem real and it's a shame that he's had to apologize for something that he shouldn't apologize for at least we agree on that i mean you shouldn't have had to apologize for seeing the film betrays jedi and luke yeah i will i will for that i'll link lots of interviews in the description below which have him expressing everything good to bad it's honestly really cool to see him be so upfront and although i agree with rags that he is a gem i would not say that he hates it on top of that i would not look that deeply into the clip that ihg plays other than to reflect the message of ihg's video rather hard that's the problem i had everything was like see we should listen to mark hamill don't take it so seriously it's like should we also listen to mark hamill when he says that it's like really bad for all these different reasons oh should we ignore those bits because those bits get in the way i don't know even the fact that mark hamill so conflicted apparently i mean even that in and of itself is like cause for concern or at least i think it should oh yeah dude this clip where he like puts his head in his hand and he like shakes a bit that's a fucking broken ass man and it's sad because everybody claps when he says that we're supposed to ignore the fans it's like what the fuck is happening honestly it's not that deep then rags turns ihg's narrative on him encourages ihg to tell mark hamill what ihg tells rags and those who dislike the film that a he's taking it too seriously we're taking it too seriously i don't i don't get a context of this yeah i don't understand talk about framing like i'm not is this what rags says i i i don't know what i'm the clip tiara why couldn't show it i'm i'm legitimately confused as to what he's saying here i'm gonna assume clear the what you said this is the complete assumption here i'm gonna assume what you said was hey i had everything why don't you tell mark that he's taking the film too seriously when he says that you know luke is uh being completely ruined or the jedi as a whole the bubble and i think that's relatively reasonable because rags in this video is running with the the conclusion that the people i had everything is talking about are people like the screenshot i had everything showed where they're like i'm so disappointed in this film it ruined x y and z it's like mark hamill has said similar things okay do you understand how rags got from a to b to c because it makes sense to me but apparently this is a complete jump in a reframing of the reality again and that's me assuming what happens in your video from from what i'm getting from this it's a very very oddly edited i i rewound it about 13 seconds so let's take a look turns i chi's narrative on him encourages i chi to tell mark hammer what i chi tells rags and those who dislike the film that a he's taking it too seriously we're taking it too seriously b he's nitpicking we're nitpicking c he went in expecting to hate it or we just went in wanting to hate it and d that he should shut up and enjoy the spectacle why can't you just shut up mark and enjoy the spectacle easily argued the rags is being hyperbolic yeah obviously yeah i'm trying to i think what i'm because the editing is very unusual here with way he phrases it you'd think that if he used the script he'd be a lot more clear and concise it's normally the point yeah i find it fascinating that he describes what you said and then like shows very quick clips instead of just playing rags's clip entirely yeah um i think what i was doing because i haven't watched the video since um i think what i was saying was why can't you apply the reasons that mark didn't like the movie to the reasons that you gave to everyone else yeah i think that's what i was saying that's what i mean it's like a question it's a exploration if you will it's like i had everything would you say this same stuff to mark hammer after what he said i think that i think that is what i said and yeah it's interesting and he's like look at rags reframing it as if he's saying all of these things to people like mark hammer who are simply sharing their opinion it's like whoa yeah i think it's supposed to make me clear and more concise same thing with a script so yeah and i stand but if that's what i yeah that i just stand by what i said i mean because i think that's a really interesting point to make would you tell mark hammer after he said the things that he said not that the right opinion showed that well he showed it but we couldn't understand him which is in and of it showed it for people who slow the fucking video down to zero point two five yeah it's why you know why is that not a um a good thing to explore because i think that's an interesting question to ask yeah same you know if you can say it to us why can't you say it to him but unfortunately for you rags he's played a clip of a person looking confused or uncomfortable at what you said so get fucked okay he's got okay i don't know this guy is okay there is a curbed fury to these lines that would provoke a viewer however rags has employed a few tricks which i don't know rags is employing tricks that is interesting okay i think they're done out of naivety in this instance firstly he loads his statement with the presupposition that i cheers not again you're exploring a hugely into rags just commenting on how interesting it would be to i hate everything's responses on to mark hamill yeah it really it's really simple like he's gonna over analyze this like crazy so let's see how much of this we can get through it was super simple i'm hoping it doesn't really need much exploration yeah i was gonna say i'm hoping we can get through like a good half a minute or more with just this is all gonna be over analyzing what you said it's been telling him and those who dislike the film the following statements which as we've addressed is not the case he's addressing the toxic side of the debate yeah no we've addressed that that's not the case he's yeah he clearly isn't shown screenshots of reasonable people too tiaro you showed it in your video several times you need to watch the videos then gradually escalates each statement to the point that none of these things are remotely applicable beyond the first one the one that mark hamill was saying himself anyway and the one being out not that we'd know we can hear him right ridiculous he has not once said that he should shut up and enjoy the spectacle do you think rags was saying that i hate everything was saying that when he just says it wow that's a bit of a stretch that's a bit of a jump there tiaro this is uh that's a bit of a reach this is what i mean he's he's guilty of everything he's accusing you of like it's very strange our critics often do that though i just take this long to make this kind of video and fuck up this much yeah it's very strange because all i all i'm asking is you know wouldn't it be interesting you know would you would you would you say to him will you basically save everyone else that's all that's all i'm saying hey there's no trick there's no trick no he said it was a trick and he showed a guy looking uncomfortable at you you're done rags leave you i have a joke rags then somewhere you just said what a joke about about your i'm sorry this is getting uh very just self-awareness levels have plummeted to negative billions at this point yeah rises his thoughts on a conceptual basis before pointing us towards more is more in depth video i will say that with the utmost confidence of all of the criticisms reviews and commentaries that i've watched within the last two months span that star wars the last jedi is one of the worst constructed films i have ever seen even though it might not have been obvious right off the bat once more i cannot stress enough how informative and in-depth the criticisms made by mauler are of this film there are so many if it took him four and a half five hours to talk about them all there is no way i could possibly and realistically do them justice okay i'm there you go okay i mean that sounds pretty fucking straightforward to me i'm like man there's so many criticisms i couldn't even begin to touch them but here's where you can hear them that's not going to be good enough though i think we're nearly there to where i start getting lambasted instead of you so it's going to be fun and and plus i said that this was one of the worst films i've ever seen how could he possibly say i'm wrong if that's what he's going to say but i'm curious to value arguments media can be bad in subjective ways but it can be bad in objective ways that can be measured discussed and explained and you can quote me on this because i stand by it 110 percent the last jedi is an objectively poorly made film yes yes the objective value i was originally hypothesized in mauler's con hypothesis people keep saying i've invented it i'm not the inventor of the idea of assessing something without emotional influence that's not something i made okay it's ridiculous that i absolutely stand by it yeah yeah there's some pretty serious fucking objective issues with the last jedi and it's like mauler's hypothesize that you could objectively judge us like no intense so if rags can bring in a friend so can i and let me tell you all right we're about to start the quintin section and a mod suggest i should try and get through a few of the superchats to keep up with them instead of let me use the let me use the loo you do that okay um let's see where we are narrative tripling Leonard church here saying sorry to bother rags on discord when he's gaming i'm sure he's he's okay with that uh narrative tripling is when you listen to three audiobooks at once which is kind of what we did in this uh do you guys like anime if so what are some of your favorites my favorite anime is fma brotherhood and one punch man they're my favorites from what i have seen so you guys talked about yen and siri being cast what are your thoughts uh wolf has said that he's very upset about basically all the casting of the witcher i'm assuming that's related to the witcher uh can you guys upload the i hate everything debate and just edit i hate everything out maybe get someone else to read his part you can't object if he's not actually in it right i'm pretty sure he would object to that absolutely like he's not happy to have it released at all uh what did wolf do to get banned from twitter again he called somebody a retard i believe there may have been some other insults thrown and i think it was hate speech that he got nuked for him or can you do a video analysis on the series zombie milfs three the squirting dead i i i'm gonna refrain from that one because i'm busy with star wars um i'm poor and can't donate as much as i'd like but i really like to support what you do and have watched all your content more than what are your thoughts on sick hero you're gonna have to wait until it comes out uh looks interesting and if my like i'll be doing work on the tfa critique i think but if enough friends recommend it then i'll probably jump on especially after seeing some more gameplay trailers but uh thank you for uh support uh for the law holds that is better than 10 guilty persons escape than one in innocent suffer from cw blackstone moola argumentation please i think that's in relation to kavanaugh i'm assuming uh pumpkin it came out way before but um i agree yeah it's better that we live in a system where the the the legal system isn't okay with innocent people being incarcerated well it's it's kind of why i stand on a negative on the death penalty because i hate the idea of innocent people getting murdered by the government because of laws they didn't even break like that's fucked up what i my opinion on that is that i think there are crimes that are worthy of the death penalty the problem is being that sure yes it's it's it's tough stuff um and it's just it's not because i'm pretty sure there's there are a whole bunch of people who have been killed uh wrongly on death row right like there's a whole history of it oh i'm sure i'm absolutely certain uh a response to a response to a response gotta go more have you seen the thanos vid with you yes and i'm probably gonna play that on the next efap because we can't i was gonna do it on this one but i was like this one's gonna be way too long anyway what do you think of plinkett's criticisms of it making no sense for there to be different sized lightsabers would a 16 foot tall creature have a large lightsaber if so how would a fight be fair i mean it's probably just uh he's probably right i don't know if the films are ever gonna go into the depth of how they construct lightsabers the whole the whole point of a fight is that it's unfair in your favor um how dare tRO misuse monokuma's theme this way i don't even know what monokuma is after watching your hbomber guy response i got inspired to play through all of the soul's games finish the trilogy bloodborne and i'm working on neo ever tried neo thoughts rags wolf um i need to play neo have you played it rags neo i have not played neo i've heard it's good though we will get to it uh eventually because i've heard a lot of good things about it i watched this stream three times and was never bored i'm so glad efap is a thing it's sated by desire for good podcasts it's the drunken peasants breakup last year we wolf has actually mentioned we've got a lot of comments comparing us to the drunken peasants it's quite interesting because it's really yeah it's i guess the format's similar but the thing is like the drunken peasants would cover at least like a good four or five videos in one two hour stream and obviously i'm not saying that they should do what we do but i was gonna say like ours is very different to that it's we've gone for four hours but ours is very content rich you could say it's very dense i guess we play content and try to create content at the same time but um thank you because i you know i find the drunken peasants was quite entertaining um so to say that we're similar to them and that they were a good podcast thank you yoda rejects luke because of his age going back to jedi council rules while luke just rejects ray because kylo well yeah i mean understanding luke's perspective about jedi and stuff in the last jedi is confusing as hell i would never expect someone with an aggressive name like i hate everything to be such a bitch oh well maybe he wouldn't call himself that if he was to rename it today i suppose uh just want to say the last jedi battles are tiny compared to real war single planet and the leaders don't seem to understand the cost of war compared to real battles and you'll see there's there's quite a few youtube videos that assess it from a military perspective that are quite interesting um they're they don't come up in the last jedi's favor let's put it that way i just want to give them the thing is too with um the last jedi it's really tough to get a sense of scale of this conflict yeah i think it's really a failing of the film i mean it's confusing as hell they have like the biggest enemy force in the history of star wars and then also they like wiped out in one move and you're like oh wow but then they're also a still a huge force to be dealt with um also they have a dreadnought that's one of several according to leo it's you have no idea what this the stakes or scale is of everything really um i just want to give mark hamill a big hug and say it's not your fault we're all there with you bad um hello dog i wanted to become patron for a while but you know the saying shit happens anyway keep up the awesome work i'm assuming that's directed at you rags well i appreciate the cinnamon either way i'm convinced that hamill's change in tone in his tweets that disney came to him and said we can easily make your death look like an accident we'll never know for sure um i stand by the fact that i think mark hamill felt bad that he was being referenced and used as a sort of linchpint in arguments and he was like no i just want to i just wanted to say what i thought about the film i didn't want to cause you know that sort of thing but again i don't know anything about what goes behind on behind doors in disney so who knows uh rags probably just what he just wanted to be unifying i think that's just the kind of person he is rags given fallout 76 a trial i don't know honestly i don't know maybe but um i don't know what i've seen so far is that it looks like a fallout for dlc and he said wait my previous donation not go through let me have a look for the black flame uh i read the one that you said you wanted to recommend Gundam iron-blooded orphans i don't know if there's any others i've missed i'm afraid i'm pretty sure that's everybody in which case let's continue this is the reveal of the well before we do uh the right opinion said will rags brought in a friend he's like no i just mentioned someone who's yeah i'm not actually a guest in the video yeah i was like hey i'm just gonna reference this guy you should watch his videos they're really great on this movie so if i know you're gonna love who i'm about to introduce someone who although i disagree with fairly clearly on the last Jedi which disclaimer we're gonna disagree with in this following section i consider a friend nonetheless who's always helped me out and involve me with his writing process let's bring him in hi i'm quinn reviews and this is a kind of happy of citizen kane oh my god i'm so sorry okay some anyone want to guess what that's supposed to mean um because i haven't seen this um uh i guess he guess he that he doesn't care about good films my only guess is that he thinks that there are people out there like me and you who consider it sacrilegious to criticize citizen kane that's all i can get from that assumption yeah because it's i don't exactly know what he's um actually i don't know i i'm gonna need i don't know what he means yeah well this is about we're about to jump into the rabbit hole with this maybe he doesn't like that movie for some reason a month ago i reviewed the last jedi on my own channel and basically said that i thoroughly enjoyed that shitty video yeah we couldn't even finish it we covered it on wolf's podcast we died after about five minutes i think that video quintin that video was fucking dog shit really was awful i would feel ashamed if i had ever produced a video like that you should delete it i'm not even rags go for it no mercy with uh with the shit quintas come up comes up with soon after this i received a barrage of strangely personal comments from people who hated the movie and more importantly hated people who liked the movie you see how horrible these people are they hate you for liking stuff there's no one out there who will hate you for not liking it that doesn't happen but you know what does happen if you like something people hate you and that's wrong just just because i've been i've been unironically called fascist Nazi white supremacist sexist bigoted for not liking the last jedi yeah well that doesn't happen it only happens on this end of the aisle and that's why he's justified in whatever choice he makes next and in response to this i decided to make a parody video making fun of some of those a parody video that went down horrifically badly because nobody understood what the hell you were trying to do with it is that video his still up uh he's unlisted it but you can't access it oh that aged well yeah that aged well the thing he he fucked it up half of his audience actually thought that he was giving good criticisms to the citizen cain there was comments like finally someone criticizes this shitty film it was like uh oh that's not what his intention was his point as he explained on his video before he had listed it because of how badly it went was supposed to be that you can always spin a narrative like you can always convince an audience that a film is x or y through a video and technically speaking he was right but none of his audience fucking understood it they were like is this supposed to be criticizing mauler is this supposed to criticize the film is this parody are you serious and it was just he just unlisted it because he had to explain it over and over again it's just it's the biggest tell of whether or not a parody fails is when people are just like don't know if it's parody what what is this that's why we can discuss to this day whether l3 is a parody or not yeah because they fucked up the tone of it completely references to the work of mauler i was then invited to a debate with mauler and randon yeah i i said that his video was cheap but i'm happy to talk about the film with him for this i decided to watch all five hours of his last Jedi criticism video and i found that experience to be heavily disagreeable not something that i found any relation to whatsoever nothing in the entire five hours none of it shit all right damn okay and the thing is i'm not sure that that's inherently that much of a bad thing whether or not you agree with what i said isn't really a bad thing yeah i fine yeah i guess i guess you know like it's whether or not it's a bad thing i don't i don't know what that i would that be something i just wanted to elaborate on what do you mean a bad thing like that's the thing where it's like bad they're very yeah i needed to develop that a little bit just what do you mean by bad a review is nothing more than a description of an experience no it's not uh no um if i tell you that's wrong but uh i don't know star wars released in 1977 directed by george lucas starring mark hamill harrison ford and carrie fischer and then then someone says well that's just your experience i'm like no well and that's a power of you there's no way you can well if you made a review of star wars and all you did was it made me feel this and it made me feel this and it made me feel this and that's my review yeah that's not it's not a review it's a review of your feelings it's not a review of the film and to give you an example phone reviews typically go into all of the technological aspects and most of it is undeniable who'd be like this is a blah blah blah mega pixel camera it's about functionality yeah what can it do how fast is it and don't tell me a phone isn't a piece of art don't go there i'm not in the mood people phones and cars aren't art it's fucking stupid yeah quinn's quinn's just wrong here when he says this well i mean let's just for the sake of it it worked before right rags when we just look at the word so define review go on google what have you got a formal assessment of something with the intention of instituting change if necessary a critical appraisal of a book play or film published in a newspaper or magazine assess something formally with the intention of instituting change if necessary write a critical appraisal it's like you we've got four definitions oh well two definitions mainly here and he said it's like one specific thing it's just like let's be honest review is just you you assess something basically mr soup and the comment said gotta love how rags responds to bits of it instead of watching the whole thing what do you think we've been doing for the last fucking like two and a half three hours how i never understand these people if me and rags watched the one hour and 56 live and then we responded to it for like a half an hour it would be almost just random thoughts like oh remember the bit where he said this that's kind of how i feel about that as if we go through it slowly we can not only point out patterns to you guys but we can actually address every point they make yeah and besides all of my videos i watch the whole thing yeah i mean i mean i mean the whole things there like do you want to see that's the thing do you do they expect us to watch two hours worth of something and then just talk out of memory of what we just experienced yeah i review what he said a review is simply a description of an experience i believe i disagree he says it's a it's describing how you felt basically and i found that experience to be heavily disagreeable not something that i found any relation to whatsoever and the thing is i'm not sure that that's inherently that much of a bad thing a review is nothing more than a description of an experience no it's not this dates back all the way to when a review spoke of plays and concerts instead of dvds and blue rays and with that doesn't assist your point at all yeah that doesn't help that doesn't help make this case it's only natural that from person to person the descriptions of these experiences are going to be different yes all right but there's a part of that where they get so different they're not useful yeah and have five reviews of something and they're all completely different then you're like well yeah what what yeah how much real use can this be if there's no consistency if if there's no the real way to tell that these reviews were about the same thing or described in some way the same thing then that is going to have an impact on their usefulness part is not a science there is no means to universally or factually prove worth and arguably that is why art has any value in the first place so yeah this is just he disagrees with objectivity this is subjectivity but he's just blatantly wrong it's and everything disagrees with him by the way um it's it's an odd way to use the process of science generally science doesn't isn't what we use to you know dissect the subjective you know if you want to know something objectively you use the scientific process exactly and i think people get very antsy about that they're like oh god you're talking about judging art as a science that's antithetical to art yeah science science is a process okay and that's the thing it's like no no no we're not saying you can't get the point of like oh you know this is how it made me feel it's a it's a separate conversation man it's almost as if they take what we say and say they're trying to say you can judge feelings objectively it's like no you judge feelings and you judge objectively those are two different things yeah you can have the you can have the feeling and having the feeling can be objective because you can have the feeling regardless of anyone's opinion on it but that's a different conversation there are different aspects that you look at things and conflating one with the other can maybe give someone the impression that we mean things we don't and again check the definitions for these value has a definition it's pretty much by by how a standard is satisfied right so then you're like okay so what's a standard it's like a standard could be established in many different ways for example what constitutes a planet and then you complete the standard and then you assess the fact that Pluto is always not a planet that's science by the way that's that's an actual and for you to be like yeah but that was a standard just created by people so it's not a definitive standard you'd be like fine and this is what i got to to agree with assessing art objectively is no more accurate to reality than science is no more or no less so i'm happy to agree with that if that's how quinton feels about it but i doubt it since he thinks that you can only get a value from art subjectively there is nothing about the the technical standard in which it was it achieves consistency or structure in any way shape or form if you paint if you if you make a line if you make a straight line on a piece of paper right we can all agree that this is yeah this is this is a line but technically it's a line segment you know it depends on how exact you want to be but if everybody that's why a lot of conversations begin with let's define our terms so that when we all say words we know what is being meant all right because words don't have meaning so much as they have shared understandings yeah which is what the dictionary is basically for basically yes and to piggyback your point let's say we're all in a class where they say you need to draw a straight line and everyone's drawing this line and it's like just off just off just off and some guy uses a ruler and it's a perfect line and they've achieved the highest standard of that particular artwork at that point and you can be like yeah but i don't care for straight lines that doesn't make me feel anything you're like okay but objectively that is a straight line which means it's achieved the highest point of that standard in this class it's like someone's someone's already asked how do you improve at art if there are no standards exactly and that was one thing that was really kind of depressing about listening to just right absolutely like what is the after this discussion how do you justify your channel existing we recently released the video say that the writing and uh in ready player one the thumbnail said it was bad it's like oh you must mean subjectively yeah what do you mean bad but here lies the issue the right opinion and i would not be discussing rags this video if the issue at hand was just that he doesn't like the last Jedi and other people do the problem is that his thesis statement is essentially that other people are not allowed to disagree with his bullshit yeah i don't think rags said that but go ahead show me a clip yeah show me a clip quintin because his opinion is on a higher playing field than yeah this is why clinton this is this is why quintin's a fucking scumbag yeah he's piece of shit yeah quintin's a piece of shit this is the kind of thing that the piece of shit does people like quintin they don't seek to understand um it's not a they don't value the pursuit of knowledge in the same way to just to say that to say that i to say that that's my thesis statement is absolutely ridiculous to say that nobody's allowed to enjoy it is absolutely ridiculous right remember how at the beginning of all e-faps you're like this will be fun because you guys get to hear my my perspective which is on a higher playing field than everyone else is oh you know how you say that all the time that's why i always start them out like that because i i know that my opinion is the objective standard by which we judge quality and anything that deviates from my opinion is on the spectrum of incorrect and yeah so for people who are like this is a really long stream it's like yeah well this video gets worse as you progress and this is this is part of the uh the shit that needed to be responded to in terms of just fuck you quintin stop telling people that this is what we actually do when it's not this is um oh yeah and oh yeah and right the video someone pointed out in chat at the beginning of the fucking video that this is a response to i say it's okay if you liked it exactly but that doesn't count so no that counts even though i specifically say something quintin can come in with his big ass brain and its compensation beard and his yellow teeth and say that there's some i what i really mean is something that's completely opposite to something that i stated yeah it's pretty frustrating because this is the thing this is the core of what you could call me and rags is like uh the way we assess in general so like this isn't just art or this is like our day to day we'll break up uh what what things are happening versus how people are feeling about the things you know information is really important and then how people feel about is really important and so to just say rags and more they go about their lives thinking that they're better than everyone else because they have better uh playing fields in which they have a bit it's just like fuck you man and i and i guess we'll have to keep restating it over and over because people like quintin will keep taking it out of context or they'll just make shit up like he does here in a malicious way it is really easy to get it but we'll keep saying it over and over you can feel however you want about anything you can feel whatever you want to feel about the last jedi or the predator or Jurassic world or freaking mary poppins it doesn't matter you can feel however you want and we can never take that away from you and you're not wrong for feeling a certain way everyone else's or to put it like he likes to his opinions are objective no no let's be let's be honest rags an opinion can be objective it is possible and yeah an opinion he yeah it's true it's not the way he means but no cause an opinion can be objective but it is not objective because it is someone's opinion if i say in my opinion the sun is a star is that objective or is that my feelings how does that work yes it can be both i it is my opinion that two plus two equals four that's objectively true but it's objectively true through mathematics it's not objectively true because you feel it i feel that way exactly yeah and that can be the simple deconstruction you're not going to catch me in rags saying in my opinion the last jedi has inconsistencies because it's it's provable we don't need to say it's our opinion that we can demonstrate this irregard sorry irregardless in the word regardless of what our opinion is it's just that our opinion happened to line up to something that we can objectively show and demonstrate but what he's what he's selling here is that me and rags will literally like watch a film go i didn't really enjoy that that much and then he's like oh so it's objectively a bad film a movie like what what i'm not following all right friend for instance there's a you know the movie space mutiny i don't but go on yeah it's an old crappy b movie um it was in one of the best of the worst episodes of a red letter media okay there is a scene in that movie where a character dies she's shot she's killed and there's an editing mistake in which she appears alive and well in the next scene just doing her job right it's like there there can be objective errors in films see just right would have argued that there may be a reason for that in Canada like she's able to clone herself or something like that like that's that's why he said it's never objective because it could always change and it's just like Jesus Christ mate by that logic nothing on this earth is objective and i made this argument to wolf i said that um our understanding of gravity might not actually be as objective as we think it turns out there's a demon on the other side of the universe casting a spell that maintains gravity it has nothing to do with the laws of the universe oh and regardless isn't the dictionary now okie dokie oh neat i still i'm a bit of a purist in that sense though yeah like i tried to use literally to mean literally instead of figuratively even though the dictionary approves yeah i don't care if the dictionary approves of using the word literally in the opposite way that it actually means i don't care and if you say it's right because the dictionary says that's an appeal to authority policy because the dictionaries are not prescriptive or descriptive there you go well i mean i would still say it's uh they're not incorrect if they're going by the dictionary standard but they're not helping because there's there is no reason that literally started to mean figuratively as well other than people being hyperbolic that's how that word changed was people trying to use it in a hyperbolic way which is bizarre yes that's because that's because people's usages of a word change and then the dictionary changes to reflect it yeah the dictionary is just as best they can do of displaying to you how a word is commonly used and what it means um brown guy asks if the right opinion offered to debate me um i guess honestly i don't know i never saw it i'm not going to say that he didn't make it but i never got an email or a discord message as far as i know there is a chance we'll be able to get them to talk to each other maybe on the next defab for all we know but um maybe up to this point talk about it at all tiaro's talk about it at all tiaro and rags obviously have lives and they've been getting up to a lot of things in between this so and i let tiaro know we were doing this and he didn't express any interest in actually discussing it beforehand so i'm sure he's it's fine but we might be able to get something he's talked about taking his video down yeah he's he's entertained the thought which is like if he wants to drop it fine but um you know whatever whatever he wants to do is fine with me i got things to do i don't get bogged down with stuff like that quentin's still a piece of shit though of course those those are just subjective and you can quote me on this because i stand by it 110 percent the last jedi is an objectively poorly made film before moving any what's wrong with that yeah and that was not what you said it was quinton that's very different and yeah absolutely and we have continually continuously sorry demonstrated this over many e-faps and other streams across many different channels uh forwards we have to acknowledge something which might not be inherently obvious if you don't know a lot about these two youtubers that being that most of this video created by rags is in fact paraphrasing a video made by his apparent best friend moller thus oh hey am i am i your best friend oh i guess we're best would be a best forever thanks thanks dude say quinton announced it publicly for you but hey i'll accept it i do you i have to be honest the way he said that the way he said that was as if to imply it's like brigade is best friend to do it he's in league with moller he's just mollers puppet like i mean at this point um we we like how how was our relationship at this point in time because this video came out a while ago at this point we had had spoken maybe like i want to say like three or four times something like that um we certainly didn't have e-fap i found your video after the last jet i came out so it was late december yes oh well i released them in february the beginning of february oh okay so it was at least so we had basically just met our relationship was still budding yes but you were obviously we were best friends we weren't as ready to tie the knot as we are now of course of course but you know just to fully understand what rags is even trying to say about the last pretty ironic coming from the video that cuts context constantly in order to understand anything that's going on here we need to watch all the other videos that came before twat did i and also what he's trying to say about the nature of opinions we are going to have i haven't really said anything about the nature of opinions no because for some reason these people find it abrasive when we say there's a difference between fucking opinions and facts about art they find that disgusting they're like how could you say that there's it's weird too because they'll be the ones to say that we think our opinions are facts and then when we say no no no those two things are different they'll be like triggered by it it's very strange it's like when it this is a this is a thing i get from a lot of people it's bad when we do it but they do it all the fucking time sample brief clips from mollers equivalent video discussing the exact same points well i hate to break this to you my precious audience but if you watch my other work i am one of the people on the internet who will tell you and simultaneously argue to the death that there is such a thing as objective value to content media can be bad in subjective ways but it can be bad all right that is not how you make the possessive form of my name my name is not rag my name is how do you fuck up a four letter name rag is video rag is video this video is is not belonging to rag rags it is four goddamn letters jesus uh in objective ways that can be measured discussed and explained star was the last Jedi is objectively bad content it is provable this is factual you love the themes that's nice but the film is still horribly written meaning that the value you have defined from the project itself is simply for you it is not measurable or provable in now this is very important what happened before this clip was me deconstructing the themes of the last jedi for about 10 minutes or so i go over all the themes of learning through failure um but like like learning from your own mistakes just just that stuff that's all in the movie and i break down how people will cite po even though he makes every decision correctly in the film it's just a matter of him not having the information he requires so it's completely unfair like you can't apply that theme but then contradictively we see that holdau and page tico both sacrifice themselves where we are told that it was a mistake for fin to do it right and so what i what i what i conclude is what you get from the themes is subjective because the actual provable consistency is broken so the film's attempt to say what it's saying is fucked right so objectively it's inconsistent objectively it farts on itself objectively it's bad that that's what i mean by that word right like i make that very clear and then i conclude objective i think that a lot of people confuse objective with absolute truth in a in a sense yeah which is not what objective means so just just to be clear objective means it's irrespective of people's opinions like the opinion that you have about something doesn't alter it essentially it is it is what it is regardless of how you feel does so when i say that uh something is objective it does not mean it's irrefutable sun and and and whatever else being defined objectively by standards the standards can change yes 20 years ago pluto was objectively was a planet not anymore dwarf planet now it is objectively no longer a planet the earth was uh flat one day a while ago that changed well that's not a that that's not a good example no well it's what i'm saying is we do what we can with all the information we have like with the information we had it may have been an objective assessment to us to take what we have in terms of the information and conclude that the earth was flat i'm not 100 sure on that one it's not as good as the the pluto example obviously well well the way to phrase it would be objectively the earth was an oblate spheroid before we knew it so if people said the earth was flat they would be wrong now if two different people had an opinion of the shape of the earth one of them could have the correct opinion but it wouldn't be the defining factor in whether or not it was correct here's the thing is it's all in the words that are being used so values are important value is the degree to which a standard is achieved objective is without influence from emotion therefore objective value is the standard being achieved without influence from emotion do you understand like is that clear like i i guess we need to say this more often because yeah because i guess what a lot of other people say objective they think that we're appealing to truth yeah yeah like in an absolute sense and depending on who you ask it's impossible to even ascertain absolute truth but it's but we we're talking about objective in the sense of it isn't defy your opinion doesn't have anything to do with it it doesn't change based on people's opinions so the takeaway here though is that i've got all this context explaining my position on themes and how they're inconsistent and so my conclusion is if you're arguing that the themes are what make this film great for you that has to be subjective because if you view them without emotion they're inconsistent and they fall apart the film sends mixed messages so it doesn't it doesn't function but but you can still enjoy them whatever themes you want to pull from the movie have at it man if you enjoy it then you can enjoy it and quintin seen the whole video as he stated and guess what he's gonna leave out of his assessment here all of the context yeah man that's that's rough that's a that's a shit if we refer to logic and argumentation for something to be objective one conclusion can only be drawn you can derive objective that's not true no that's not true you can have multiple objective conclusions you can have multiple conclusions yes and they can conflict yes you can you can draw if something is a binary proposition uh let's use theism as an example you can draw the conclusion that there is god you can draw the conclusion that there is not a god objectively only one of those things is true you're gonna piss off a fucking fab base again well here's the thing i haven't said which one's true or not true either rags is not said which one of those statements is the objective one but if we can relate it to something uh maybe this a little bit less testy for a lot of people um how do you how do you get an assessment of something that could have two conflicting objective results um you can take sample sizes of of like places with policies and conclude that the policy was uh the thing that that got the the place to where it is but then you could also have that that policy did not work in another place so you've got two results and then you'd be like well now we need more information to to figure out which one of these is less or more accurate because they're both still objective but one of them clearly lacks information and one of them doesn't or something like that like there's so uh i think i think the the theism argument really is a really good one um i was just gonna say an argument that doesn't um that can appeal to people who are religious still well i'm not a that's the thing i'm not appealing to either one well explaining how this works logically yeah it's like if you you a an intelligent person can come to the conclusion that there's a god an intelligent person can come to the conclusion there's no god right sure but that is a binary proposition either there is or there isn't both of those things cannot exist which means objectively one of those things is true but you can reach both conclusions until it's proven i mean um we talked about pedantry earlier but like uh the ongoing there's an ongoing conversation about finn's knowledge of the hyper drive right this all began with the obvious uh scene where he goes hyper drive blah blah blah is impossible and then ten minutes later he's like i know where it is so we can get there so people highlight objectively speaking that's an inconsistency and then someone throws in some extra information who's on the defensive side they say no because finn knew about the room once they found out that there was a hyper drive tracker he knew where the rooms were because all of the hyper drive trackers are powered by this one room so he knew where the room was he didn't know that that was powering a hyper drive tracker and you're like okay both of those were objective is there more information it's like well go back to the attacking side and you find out that um there's dialogue in the film where they say every single a-class process including hyper drive tracking has its own breaker meaning that that breaker in the room that finn's talking about is specifically designed for the hyper drive tracker meaning he had to have known it was a part of the hyper drive tracker so you see like the conversation with more information went one way then the other way and then finally ends on the other way and it's like is there any more information to this it happened with um just right when we were talking about holdo i attacked he defended i attacked he defended i attacked and he ran out of arguments and then i argued for him and then attacked myself again because i was like steel manning the opposition and it ends the conversation always comes to an end because you basically run out of information there's only so much information but you can achieve all of it objectively yeah and there's a spectrum of your ability to justify what your conclusion is up until the point where there's enough evidence that you can say okay we can have all these you know we can take all this information from all these sources put it together and boom we know objectively based on everything that regardless of whose opinion it is it doesn't change what the facts are yeah because ultimately um you could have five facts that bring you to a conclusion but if you're unaware that two of them even exist you have no capacity to know that they exist and your objective it's still an objective conclusion it's just based on three pieces of information instead of the full five yes because remember all objective facts exist as objective facts this is why they're not you know it this is why this objective like me and wolf can argue over a film while both assessing objectively because one of us lacks information that's probably going to be the case like i highlight to him remember that scene where this happens then he goes oh shit right okay um so was that objectively pluto was never a planet it was merely assessed incorrectly no pluto was objectively a planet it was based off of yeah based off of the definition that we created for planet though uh as our eyes we decided to change the definition that's what made it objectively not a planet yeah and besides it's only we only need to prove that it can happen we've done that with several other arguments now so even if you even if someone said that about pluto be like okay so what about all the other things we said anyway moving on wait yeah yeah let's see are you in some instances where there are few conditions and you realize that you can account for them have a with a film for a statement to be objective you must have counted for every single premise in existence to the point where you can listen to every argument and still what do you mean every premise in existence about logic for a premise he's making the argument that unless you you're basically unless you're omniscient you can't access you cannot uh assess objectively cannot assess whether or not something's objective yeah well i mean film's a finite so we don't have to now we're we're starting to bleed into the realm of philosophy regarding truth and knowledge yeah which i've i've always said if you can't agree that facts are a thing like if you think there is no such thing as a fact objectively like there is no idea of being able to assess anything free of bias like we can't just say that we we exist you can't even say that maybe this is something i need to discuss more at length with like steve mccray and those guys on the non sequitur show but there has to be a point where you accept certain presuppositions about the world yeah if you don't believe anything is factual or unbiased then we can't have a discussion because obviously it's then we can't have a discussion it's completely contradicting ideologies so there's no point in starting yeah draw the same conclusions there are some things about film that may be objective but if you're making a general statement on whether it is good or bad i do not like to say that is impossible but you're pushing the limits there so it's possible no um here it's important just because something has not been proven to be um well he's just he's admitted as theoretically possible well we don't he doesn't even know that that's the thing we don't know if it's possible to objectively assess a film well i'm talking about like no i'm i'm talking about something a little bit different i'm talking about whether or not something is is possible at all oh you don't even know if anything you could imagine is possible right for instance we don't know if it's possible that there could be a god we don't even know it's possible that yeah so when people say well it's possible that there's a god but we don't actually know that so if you're saying it's important for it the right opinion to understand that you can't just say things are possible without demonstrating that they're possible i mean i i'm still of the this wasn't a contradiction to what we said well he just said still sits in with what we said yeah well i'm yeah i'm just i'm just clarifying that because it's something that does need to i i feel that often gets um kind of skipped over people assume that just because they can imagine it it's possible but don't you think it's interesting though because he's we've got a tag team right now of him and quintin quintin's not saying this at all he's saying it's absolutely not possible while tiro's saying well i guess it's possible he said at least he said you're stretching but it's possible yeah that's the quintin doesn't have the information necessary to determine whether or not a preposition or sorry proposition is possible and all quintin doesn't have the capacity for a lot of he doesn't have the capacity for a lot of things as we've already seen but you know we'll just add that to the pile yeah even more is in-depth five-hour video does not begin to account for the numerous conditions opinions and further perception you wouldn't know that tiro you haven't watched them you can't say anything about what's in those videos all right and even responses to his individual points the best this theory can do is pedestal the opinions of those who look quick calling objectivity of fucking theory what does it even yes is everything a theory by that logic then yes it is a theory you have no reason to believe something is possible or true unless you can justify your belief in it all right because every time you say well this could have happened there is also in your mind an equally plausible outcome in which it couldn't have happened and so you begin this ridiculous regress into the infinite possibilities of what may or may not happen and you have to draw the line somewhere and i draw the line at is there anything that we've been given that would justify us believing that a proposition can or cannot happen to clarify for people tiro did not watch my videos he had quintin watch them and respond to them because he's a star wars fan and tiro is not um at least that's my if if i'm completely wrong on that that might be possible but as far as i know tiro did not see my videos whatsoever look to be backed up your conclusion may be that it is bad but that is based on your premises and different people have different premises if my premises without emotion then it would be objective because that's what that weird means the robot remember the robot no they don't like the robot i like that he said that though because again that falls in line with what we're saying he's like it's only bad by your premise it's like our premises to assess it with consistency irrelevant of emotion so yes we agree tiro i'm glad we got to that point and it's what even is good and bad they're good and bad there's a shit ton of definitions but i usually try and talk about specifics so to be inconsistent is bad because it's lazy or it's contradictory or it's there's loads of words you can use and i absolutely agree that i should try and avoid saying bad instead of using words like um uh instead of saying bad as a whole bad script writing bad acting bad blah blah and then you go to specifics of what makes bad acting what makes blah blah and that's why my videos are so long i try and qualify all this stuff and when you have a discussion with somebody you can say all right let's start this off by coming to agree so that our opinions don't get in the way like if we we can agree on something for this for the purposes of this conversation let's agree on what objective acting oh and by the way as someone just pointed out in chat and several people have said to make the statement there's no such thing as like objectivity uh in art that's that's an objective statement correct that is a statement that requires evidence that is a that's making a positive claim vague subjective concepts in themselves you would have to put yourself on every single little spectrum pertaining to an individual and explain why it is bad on that spectrum no i wouldn't i go with my singular premise you've done is explain why it is bad on your spectrum even if your it's not my spectrum it doesn't belong to me it's a fucking stupid why do people assume that i've invented objectivity yeah no one has ever been objective in analysis ever would you think i got it from that i just invented it like come on yeah me and rags just invented on our own and then wolf also did and then we met each other that's what happened i just got i just got fucking sick of people's feelings feelings are gay who needs them your logic is valid you have not proved it to be tortologists and thus tortologists he's referring to a tautology and most people don't know what that is which means saying it is it helpful to your audience the right opinion tortology is useless restatement or saying the same thing twice using different words yes nobody is going to know if you yeah talk well tautologists i suppose so but well no but does this does that fit in his his sentence structure does that actually make sense i don't know he used facetious incorrectly earlier so this i just want to hear this again to see if you use tautologists correctly different people have different premises different emphasis on topics and different standards what even is good and bad they're vague subjective concepts in themselves you would have to put yourself on every single little spectrum pertaining to an individual and explain why it is bad on that spectrum or you've done is explain why it is bad on your spectrum even if your logic is valid you have not proved it to be tortologists and that doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense i'm sorry tiaro but this shouldn't be happening you're supposed to be like a literature expert or whatever i'm just a dude but that's not what tautologists means i think what he was probably going for is like it doesn't make it toad um irrefutable you might be referring to like tautology in the sense of logic where it's a formula or assertion that's true in every possible interpretation that's probably what he means which is probably what he means in that sense but here's the thing if he means it in that sense that's sort of correct yes if you you want to have a tautology so it's true in every possible interpretation but then that gets us and then people are saying what's the nature of truth blah blah blah we gotta we gotta cut the line somewhere yeah in symbolic logic that word means correct in all situations which yeah that's probably what he meant so here's the thing you say that word in a video two percent five percent of your audience is gonna know what that is i only know it because i happened to hang out with some people and they talk about and i just use google and look for the definition and then re-listen to what they said and still end up confused it's just like i would is like don't use words like that people most people won't know what you're talking about and that's not objective so the question if something isn't tautologist that it's not objective it's like you're gonna need to change the word that's not to clarify again so the word that he was using it to mean was what again um how can a tautology not be necessarily true um in logic tautology is defined as a logical truth of the propositional calculus if you're preferred semantics of logical truth is true in all possible worlds then yes a tautology is true in all possible worlds and hence necessarily true let's just for semantics for logical truth it's just all we need to do is condense what he said down into the words you're using a two subjective to be objective that's what he said in in the process of about 30 seconds um because the word bad is too subjective it's too vague he used the word vague at one point so and this is the thing it's like um bad has a definition which means it is possible for me to be objective depending on what i meant by bad and the first fucking definition of bad is of poor quality and then you're like okay but that's not um objective because what does quality mean and it's like quality is by which a standard is achieved and a tautology isn't even necessarily useful because you could say something like all all 10-legged lizards have 10 legs that's tautologically correct but it's not really helpful or really all that meaningful sure um i mean yeah no benefit of the doubt for me once again but they do that to us infinitely they literally look at the first definitions of all the words i use and you'll have your answer no like in this scenario obviously i'm not going to do that every time because i'm not i'm not a god with words question becomes to mollern rags what are objective value well you know what if you uh took us up on a debate or if you exactly mollern on his debate then you would have your answer but instead uh you ran like a bitch and you refused to have a discussion with him so um if you really wanted to if you were true in your pursuit of knowledge you know what does he mean he asks in this video when he could just ask him all or what he means he's this curious to find out what we mean by objective value and yet he fucking shies away from every chance at having a debate because he doesn't believe that objective value for all exists like why even ask us then you twat what it means it's as we've just explained how a standard is achieved irrelevant of emotion how is that for you yet you run out of fucking insults late brown guy asked again i don't know if he asked me to debate uh the right opinion asked me to debate him i'm not saying he didn't i'm just saying i didn't see where he did he didn't as far as i know he hasn't emailed me he certainly didn't contact you before he made his video i know that yeah i i haven't been as far as i know i have not been contacted and if he did it on twitter that's the worst way to do it especially because i didn't have twitter for pretty much almost and more importantly what are subjective values and why are what do you think subjective values are it's all based on how you feel about the thing what it makes you feel jeez it's not hard why are you making this seem like it's some kind of fucking 40 chess game based on your influence by personal feelings oh oh rags did you catch that well i forgot he says this such a fucking asshole just listen to that listen to 30 seconds not objective so the question becomes to mollern rags what are objective values and more importantly what are subjective values and why are they factually worse well why are they factually worse what does that even why are you making your why are you making your finger quotes like that's something we've said that's not exactly that's not something we've ever said he's implying that we say that the subjective take on things is factually worse than the objective take on things not something me and rags have ever fucking said okay maybe um i mean the only way that you could spin that is to say that um uh you can show factually that the subjective is not objective but i'm stretching so hard to make it what he said makes sense the fact that he said worse it's it grinds my gears to it like i'm not putting objective above subjective i'm drawing the line between them it's like two sides of the road man they're just going to different places but they exist together oh and look there's a cross for me quinton there's a difference between objective value and subjective value i know you understand that whether you enjoy something is irrelevant when we're talking about measurable mechanics within films or games and their quality i was told you shy away from conversation with your dissenting peers which i was and that i shouldn't hold my breath breathe i need to oh wait is that breath that is breath right hold my um i think that's i don't know goes to show why i may have been spelled that but i still figured i would give it a shot your excuse is pretty damn sheepish maybe next time i guess yeah i stand by that 100 he said the reason he doesn't want to have a discussion with me is because he can't be asked to explain to me that objective value doesn't exist in in oh yeah it's breathe explained through numerous comments and in numerous videos objective values are things that are measurable discussable and provable and subjective feelings are discussable no thing things aren't objective because they're discussable you can discuss subjective things where are you getting these definitions from why can't you show it why can't you fucking show it that quote he just showed was not what he just said god damn it i think it's an i think it's not objective because you can discuss it with somebody it doesn't mean it's not objective are things qualifier if you like the themes or if the movie looks yeah straw man right there i didn't say if you like the themes i was like you can't claim the themes are an objective objective consistency that the film thoughts on their own themes like i said but he's he's now turned it into oh yeah more or said if you like the themes that's just subjective it's like no i went through the themes i went through the themes so how much value they had in terms of consistency besides it's already a meme on my fucking channel like you see people saying it already rushing to the themes to defend your film it's just like man are you like out of arguments is all you got you just say themes it's like it's it's the equivalent of god works in mysterious ways it's good because that costs money and basically anything that he would call an opinion everything what i thought we just went over how i thought he said that our opinion we say that our opinions are objective so we wouldn't call that an opinion would we i've never said that no of course we've never said any this fucking shit we just keep saying that we did but yeah take me out of context again go on Quinn and basically anything that he would call an opinion everything positive said about the film is either about the superficial elements that take money to generate film is visually stunning and yes Disney do yeah do you think amazing graphics just fucking grow on trees this is the thing uh there are i'm not denying the talent that is in these CGI artists that is in uh what i'm going to conclude on here is that you can't buy script writing quality like 90 of the time all the people who are being bought from let's say there's this script writers in this chat room right now who would be better at doing this than ryan johnson in terms of a consistent script that was respectful now in this podcast and how how much do you think they'd be paid compared to ryan johnson it's gonna be a hell of a lot less even though ryan johnson and it's literally just because of the name recognition and it's like that's that's the issue you can buy CGI you can buy you can even go as far as buying good acting and i'm not going to say that there's no good acting in the film but the the script you can't buy a script most of the time like it's it's really hard to get a consistently good writer yes i don't think it's very i don't think it's very controversial to say that the last Jedi looks very expensive and that's the thing you get a lot like black panther despite having a lot of money the CGI was a mess but it depends on what they spent the money on but if the script was great the CGI wouldn't matter it would have been like oh well it's it's just a bit of a blemish like leave alone obviously and nobody would be saying the CGI artists did terrible because we'd all assume that they were just rushed because most CGI films will get the job done if they get the money they're supposed to get like this is such a hope for a high profile movie like this and this is the thing it's a very this is a very long subject to discuss and it's a very interesting one but let's just skip right over it and say that rags and mohler just think that if you like the visuals or the the acting or the themes that all of that has nothing to do with reality or measurements or anything it's just like yeah that's that's what we said fine yeah yeah the way that you feel about it is subjective he has money all the subjective arguments that stem from themes to interpretations to feelings the vast majority of my points aren't about perspective we're talking about facts and if you don't want to agree with them then it will be difficult to have discussions in the future because this is precisely how one creates a scale and moves on from it if you think the last Jedi is great good luck ever calling other films bad and there you go I'm talking about an objective scale so if I was to say that the last Jedi is amazing and then I watch a film that's exactly the same as last Jedi but let's just say in the Jurassic Park universe and I go it's terrible for all of these reasons and then someone's like but all of those things are in the last Jedi and you said that was great I'm like well uh and that's what we call an objective contradiction that that is just a literal it's hypocrisy you've you've got two separate standards and it's usually based on a bias like for example I love Star Wars I don't love Jurassic Park simple as that uh subjectively though you of course could hold those two positions you could be like I love this film despite its flaws or I hate this film because of its flaws because feelings don't have to be justified by facts precisely how they kind of work obviously they can be influenced by facts but um I thought I was pretty specific in that little bit I was like I think so because I ever once in a while go back and I'll watch them and I I don't really I mean really when you get down to it it's not that controversial to say that some there are some things that you could measure based on facts and regardless of how you feel about them the things that are in the film are in the film there's a finite amount of things that are in that film it doesn't go on infinitely yeah and I I just coming down to the simple version uh a character knowing something that they shouldn't is bad in this film and then another film you're watching you go it's good well you can't say that because you you've just created a standard back there so now you gotta you gotta stick with it you guys are avoiding the real questions would rags kiss quintin on the cheek no I like my bear is smart oh come on look at that cheek I hope that you can understand why this perspective which might initially seem unimpressive the perspective that we actually have or the one that you made up the one that you made up important when described in a flat nature is the base issue with all six hours of rags and Mahler's videos about the last jet they're amazing like the subscribe that I bring the state that your opinions which mostly come down to things like thoughts about the lore and it picks about dialogue thoughts about the law and it picks about dialogue congratulations quintin you're the king of fucking straw bed that was beautiful amazing fucking amazing and but remember this is coming from the same guy whose last Jedi video said if you take away the script the characters and the plot was it yeah yeah he said in his in his first video for anybody in the audience who does not know he said if you ignore the stuff about the characters the the story of the plot of the universe that the film is actually pretty good that's paraphrasing I will completely admit it's paraphrasing but it's hilarious this is the same mouth same guy incredible quintin you don't want to be caught on camera saying that it's pretty because that can never be objective facts that get his full sentence in there yeah described in a flat nature is the base issue with all six hours of rags and Mahler's videos about the last Jedi to state that your opinions which mostly come down to things like and to be fair most of my video wasn't really so much about the last Jedi as it was about the things that I he said yeah about things surrounding the last as for my videos I had shit tons of criticism about what I would say the entire points of the film a lot of the playoffs I was ripping into how they don't even make sense which is very important you don't want your the biggest emotional impacts of the film being based on completely illogical and unrealistic scenarios that's not gonna help not good thoughts about the lore and nitpicks about dialogue are objective facts that can never be some of them some of them it's almost not all yeah not all of our problems with the film are objective when some people say when you say nitpick you usually mean it's valid but it's tiny right that's usually what it means a lot of people yeah no when people say it's a nitpick that's normally that's normally because they don't have an argument against it yeah it's like they're saying yes you're right but it doesn't fucking matter if Gandalf has stabbed me but it didn't really hurt that much well I'm more I'm actually gonna go for a genuine nitpick here like the sun was an inch higher in this scene compared to the scene before it also and that doesn't match how a sun would move and you be like yes obviously that's because the film is not filmed in the way that you're kind of implying that it would be and you'd be like that's true but it doesn't fucking matter in the slightest thus it usually gets considered to be a nitpick now he said the this stuff concerns nitpicks about the law and then it's like but to say that those are objective and it's like but didn't you just agree that they may be valid but they're tiny but also they're not objective oh so yeah it's it's a strange amalgamation of what is and isn't reasonable in terms of the criticism it's very strange I don't also I don't like the way that he he paints every issue that we have as being objective also someone just said rags Tiro said you declined his invitation to the debate unless you were in his video is this true or not that is false that is not true at all whoever told you that is giving you bad info my dude yeah I don't have no reference for that yeah I anyone ever declined his invitation on that um on those grounds no objective facts that can never be disputed by anyone is ridiculous some things are objective facts that can't be disputed by anyone you dipshit that's how literally reality works like he says it like this this monstrous thing that we've come up with yeah the like science has been a thing for hundreds and hundreds of years like man you're gonna have to accept that there are objective we have to agree on objective facts about and that's what we have processes to get ourselves closer than that he's saying Tiro said that himself on his discord well if Tiro said that then Tiro is fucking lying yeah I don't I don't remember that ever happening and I've I've I've often been the um sort of mediary between them but pushing on so why do you hate Quintus so much it's like why do you think man like look what he's saying about our shit yeah I don't I don't recall ever saying that to the right opinion that doesn't sound like something I'd say no I didn't like your video and I hated the last Jedi he will at least be sensible enough to tell you that's just a difference of opinion oh wait that's the thing I was talking about earlier hang on and I disagreed with your video I didn't hang on gotta go back a little bit further objective facts that can never be disputed by anyone is ridiculous let us compare and contrast if you go to I hate everything and you tell him I disagreed with your video I didn't like your video and I hated the last Jedi he will at least be sensible enough to tell you that's just a difference of opinion yeah no um we went to to tie well I had everything came to us we had the long conversation and then he agrees that um that the film was of poor quality he didn't say oh that's your opinion guys he was like oh wow yeah so uh rip that I suppose yeah and it's only natural for the rest of I think all those things and the thing is like you could have been a part of that conversation maybe you know like I would have been there if I wasn't like away from you know my house also high five to this comment can you see it let's take a look yeah um yeah things are fair to criticize the film for if you truly this is the first video of yours that I've disliked I'm not going to defend the autists harassing other people because you were right about their ridiculous behavior you only focused on the morons though where are the legitimate critiques and reviews by competent creators there are real issues with this film and you only wanted to respond to the Spergs you know yeah I mean that's what I said let's see his his response basically yeah feel that way I feel how I feel and you feel how you feel get over what but if you that will you feel you feel you feel get over it's like okay that's that makes IHE work look worse that makes them look worse dude because he's ignoring the question he ignored the criticism yeah you're only looking at morons yeah someone was asking him a legit question why are you not really going over the the the problems with the film why how come you're focusing on the little Spergs who don't mean anything and he dodged the question he dismissed the question hey you know oh okay if you want to make IHE look worse good job Quintenill you did it rags and tell them that you disagree with their videos and that you actually love the last Jedi you will get comments like we're gonna do this so just to clarify before whatever the fuck he's about to show uh if someone told us they love the last Jedi what would you say to that rags if someone said they love the last Jedi yeah oh I'd ask why um in context like I oh I like I if they were a friend of mine I'd be like sure go for it but if it's just like some random are going I love the last Jedi as I was walking past them something like that's great yeah I see those all the time on like Twitter and stuff sometimes like well I like the last Jedi okay yeah it's it's fine I don't even like say anything but I I would be you know why I'm curious why they liked it but you say you wouldn't tell them they're wrong you saying you wouldn't say that hey your feelings are invalid is that not something you say no no I wouldn't I don't know if I trust you rags I'm gonna have to go with Quintenill on this one you have to get into the definition of invalid oh yeah that's true no because of this the vast majority of my points I'm making a perspective we are talking about facts I am seriously doubting your capacity to understand so he did a really bad British voice and then a nasal American voice but that the comment he read was I doubt your ability to assess quality is it okay well this is the thing I didn't say anything about what people's this is a response to someone saying I love the last Jedi this is a response to someone saying the last Jedi is a great film like a consistent film a well-written film that's what my response to that would be but remember there are people who write articles on websites and all sorts of stuff and they call people who did not like the last Jedi Russian bots trolls racist sexist fascist white supremacist bigots xenophobes unironically like this is what they do so I don't want to hear your bullshit boo-hooing about well if I say this on the internet people might make mean comments they might say that I don't really have the ability to assess quality like like you're gonna have to grow the fuck up you're just gonna have to grow the fuck up man points are a lot of big boy quitting I mean I I mean I know that's a conversation beard he's reading my comment with a silly voice rags and you're not taking him seriously how could you what the fuck man he's this is this is this is slam dunking us right now I got no fucking chance you got a silly voice rags with fucked you will get comments like this the vast majority of my points are not about perspective we are talking that's literally by design I say a thing for example just um the last Jedi opens with a space battle all your comments huh are these your comments this is something I've said um oh because he doesn't he he doesn't say that what do you mean no he doesn't say that these comments are yours oh he said you'll get responses like this he's probably gonna end this with saying that was from Moeller by the way which proves he's an asshole or something like that I guess we'll see about facts I am seriously doubting your capacity to understand quality and of course my personal favorite if you like the last Jedi good luck calling other films bad but fuck you you've removed the context again you've already shown this clip and they're gonna do it for a third time now removing the context again I'm so proud of you you're such a good little editor man Quinton's shit the vast majority of my points aren't about perspective we're talking about facts I am seriously doubting your capacity to understand equality oh hey that was me that was you yes to clarify rags is probably referring to objective quality rather than whether or not it made you feel good because rags can't actually disprove your feelings I might have just been insulting him oh yeah either way oh you know what you might have been hyperbolic or melancholic or vitriolic or sympathetic or mecculizolic you never know maybe he's judging you wrong that's how that way yeah let's think I um that it's weird that before because I haven't seen this part of the video so he says that comment and before I even know that comment is me because we can't remember everything we've ever said I was like that one doesn't seem all that bad it was like oh it's me um yeah Cinema Sins is in the in the chat hello there hello we're ripping into someone else who's criticized us today it's amazing the last Jedi is great oh by the way by the way Cinema Sins is way better than Quinton ever because if we said Quinton we want you to hop into eFap with us and talk about this Quinton would say no and you'd say yes yeah I mean anybody who's up to actually defend their claims and respond to criticism you get a plus in my book hello John this thesis statement in my subject because it's not our thesis statement it belongs to us oh he's just like I'm declaring that this is the thesis statement is like no I don't have a thesis statement I never made one that's ridiculous geez what a what a fucking joke he's just he's just pulling it out of his asshole this is their thesis statement oh okay I guess don't ask me when he plays the same point three times over completely isolated from everything before and after it that's how you know that he's just destroyed us it's done he made a silly voice rags it's done fucked yeah we're inherently toxic to uh I don't know I guess reviews or film culture or we're toxic we have discussions with people we say that you can feel however you want and that's just fine to feel however you want to feel we can disagree with you on video quality and we can still be friends we're not gonna block you or refuse debates based off of offhand information that we don't have um gosh what else I mean we're just not I guess we are kind of sorry talk about like I'm not going to say it's a dog whistle but using the word toxic when you refer to us it feels like you're aiming somewhere to me like yes I mean but absolutely not saying that's the case but that word has been a little bit it's been poisoned a little bit right toxic like a lot of people don't even want to use it anymore because it keeps getting used in specific environments don't you um didn't doesn't quit and think you're racist uh I can't remember who thinks I'm racist I can't remember if he said I'm racist a lot of people said I'm racist though because I heard that one of the reasons he wanted to debate you is because he heard you were racist that could be a thing that I've actually heard if not then I like take it back but I think that's the thing you that I've actually heard from what I heard from because I had a couple conversations with TRO about Quinton he basically said Quinton doesn't want to speak to me at all not just because of the fact that he'd have to explain what objective means to me but he'd also want to he wants to avoid internet drama is what he said which is the most videos like this yeah no right like he makes a parody video of me and he makes this video and he says he wants to avoid drama by because discussing this with me would cause drama right that's how that works this is rag racist of course he is punk this is why fucking apostrophes are important I am not rag I'm ragu rag is video come on there's no consistency to win an opinion is or is not measurable and overall I'm sorry what you just imply that we don't actually bring a standard to the table because it's pretty much the opposite of what we do but hey really I would I mean if you want to talk about our standard really what I'd say is like in a nutshell our standard is consistency yeah logic is the baseline for a lot of the objective criticisms because logic does not care about feelings it never has never well I would say that in one word if I had if I'd use a single word for me consistency this thesis statement in my what's with this fucking body language what's with this calling that your thesis statement subjective opinion is like you had sick you had five hours of video and he pulled out this one thing from the five hours like yeah it's just these is inherently toxic there is no logic to how this is constructed there is no logic to how this is constructed that's the only thing we have a fucking talk about is how the you like the foundation of everything we do and we won't shut up about it I get bored talking about it myself I put myself to sleep talking about it because you talk about it so much this this podcast would be an example fucking hell there's no logic to what me and rags talk about yeah we never have references and we never show contradictions that's not what we do there is no consistency to win no consistency an opinion is or is not measurable and overall is just a measly pot all right so it's it's you can measure things as a binary without measuring them as a quantity like I like saying you can measure that something is there or not without saying that it is X amount you know yeah okay good I just I've never I've never had to say anything like that we're dealing with what is essentially an alien at this point rags that's why that's why it's like you have to start saying things that are just fundamental and it'll be like a revolution to quentin I've never had to explain this to people and so it's kind of strange sometimes to think of the words is like if I have to tell is like measuring the tree you know it was like you can tell if there's a tree there or not without knowing how exactly tall yeah to clarify when me and rags are talking about logic it's not just about logic according to our universe if they have their own rules in the fiction of course like it's the film's universe yeah the consistency is probably rags was right it's probably a better word for it it's consistent within its own rules or the logic of our universe which it's it's portraying you know yeah that's why both Star Wars and the imaginary of Dr. Parnassus can both be analyzed with the same level of consistency because as long as the film is consistent with itself we're good yeah like if you watch a film that's based as in like our world and then someone gets shot in the head and survives we're sitting there like we lack information for this why are they alive as like generally that kills people maybe he got lucky or what door is he there who win an opinion is or is not measurable and overall it is just a measly podium constructed by these two to insist to their audience that their opinions are universally better than everyone else's well you're a we've never said that we've never ever said that do you want us to conclude on what you're doing quentin because it's gonna be a little bit more brutal we're considering how much of a fucking dirty little shit you you've taken on us basically yeah here's the thing like this is this speaks to your character quentin that's the difference it's like this what you're doing right here this says a lot about who you are as a person the kind of things that you're willing to do like i would never be comfortable doing that to somebody else i would never i'd never do that to somebody else and if i did i'd feel terrible for it and i'd take it back me and rags project from a podium that our opinions should be accepted as fact that's all we do that's all we do now i can say that you should accept my opinion as fact but then i will go through the motions to prove it i will probably talking about a specific one right yeah like you know about all of your opinions i think that two plus two was four and i think you should accept that as fact because bring in the cart full of reasons because here's two things and there's another two things and i count things another four things so you see it's we can demonstrate we can share you corroborate evidence with other absolutely this might seem blunt or crude but the ultimate issue to me is that malin rags believe that they are part of a battlefield fighting their holy and protected beliefs what socially being the fuck you're on about quinton what the fuck we're fighting a war for our beliefs okay i mean that's that seems a little excessive but how are you not doing the exact same thing yeah um it's strange though i mean yes i mean you fight for what you believe in you know thing but this i don't know why it's a holy i don't know what say what's holy about it i mean maybe if you hoist up a principle as if it's holy or if you believe it's sacrosanct in some way but what a strange way to phrase it i mean yeah we we just want to make us look kind of insane i'm guessing that's what this is like look at look at rags and more of fighting their war for movie opinions makes us feel culty absolutely that's that's that's definitely the impression i'm getting this is why i hate his fucking parts in this video because the t ro stuff there's more of a discussion to be had with this this is just this is just literal attacks like quinton you're not making a good script here you're literally being a dick and that's about it how long have we been going we are up to five hours and 20 minutes jesus believe that they are part of a panel let's keep going a little bit longer because i'm eventually i'm just gonna have to call it uh yeah as soon as you conk out man we'll we'll cut it off there like just let me know let's try to get through the let's try to get through the quinton bit fighting their holy and protected beliefs i can't even refer to it as holy and protected beliefs the sir holy i don't know what he says by protected beliefs it's like i will attempt to protect my beliefs based off of evidence and you know logic it's also important to remember that remember kids you don't choose what you believe ding socially they use their flood blood thesis or flood thesis maybe that's an actual phrase let me look that up yeah you go ahead look it up that's going in my fucking april fools day video though flood thesis no this is about flood damage assessment uh um and hydrology they're flood thesis i'll call it the holy flood flood thesis the holy flood thesis give me just a second is there a tripling narrative involved in that i wonder nothing i couldn't find narrative tripling either flood feces um next time i see my brother uh because he um he's like an english major i'll ask him if he's ever heard of narrative tripling and flood thesis let's hear it again because i can get him when you can't just google it i'll ask him if those are things believe that they're part of a battlefield fighting their holy and protected beliefs socially they use their flood thesis to justify the how the fuck did tRO approve this this is by the way what i sent as tRO in terms of what he should be deleting from the video because it's just outright false so tRO wants this part gone well he agreed he was like yeah well i'll he he said to me and i can go back and get the quote if it gets contested he said to me that there are some things that he's gonna want to discuss but there are absolutely certain parts that he's gonna have to delete like via being inaccurate yeah like fuck what part what what isn't that a part of in his section i mean jeez like everything he said is how did you approve this tRO yeah man how when you listen to this were you like yeah this comes this comes across as a well adjusted individual he hasn't taken two normal dudes on the internet and turned them into fucking like cultist warriors fighting for the last jedi to be considered bad what the hell the fact that they believe themselves to be warriors you two are not warriors none of us are warriors we are geeks online to talk well no well you can't say that here's the thing quinton you can't change how you frame things if in one sentence you're gonna say that we're fighting a battle then you also can't say we're not warriors i mean it's either one or the other man not to mention because in a sense we never said it he put the words in our mouth and then told us we were wrong for saying it yeah i mean okay if i would describe myself as a warrior but i mean if you want to say yeah you're a warrior fighting a culture war i'm like yeah i mean i understand what you mean yeah i mean because i i i do see aspects of it as a culture war which makes one a warrior by kind of by that definition but man i don't i don't say it in like a glorified way well this is the thing once again quinton can't show a fucking quote can he yes like because we've never said this this is not something we say he's like you people are these things but you know what you're not these things it's like yeah that sums up this video a little bit doesn't it or at least quit quinton's fucking part of it about films stop acting like you are how basically as someone who knows more about star wars than the right opinion it is going to be my job in this video to disagree with some of rax's points about how telling is that statement it's gonna be my job to disagree okay it's not even kind of it's like that's kind of fucked up like when you hear that statement the right opinion are you not like it's a little that sounds like i'm kind of you know like he already has you know he's got a job to do for me come on right we've got to fight our holy war about star wars the lore all crusades are just the universe etc not because there is any factual basis to the fact that he has 100 yet you know you painted you painted us as bad people there's no factual basis to the fact that he's 100 wrong okay just say that who is he referring to is that me what's that you i don't know i think it's you because he said it's my job to disagree with rax so you must be referring to you the lore the universe etc not because there is any factual basis to the fact that he is 100 wrong not that there's any factual basis to the fact that he is wrong okay um that's useful now that you've agreed that there's not factual evidence that i'm wrong um i'm so confused by that like should i like still be here can i go down maybe maybe there's like another half to that statement that makes it make more sense because what maybe i'm holding out hope for 100 wrong and not because he is a bad person for having opinions that i disagree with but because i am basically having to prove that his opinions are not universally measurable are not ultimately 100 provable and are certainly not anything resembling of what no the same thing three times that you haven't said no yeah not only did he say things that i've never said but he also said i have no way to factually prove things that i have to prove because he starts off by saying at the beginning which is what we were giggling at like there's i can't 100% factually prove this and then he says i have to prove this okay i have written out what i think his his sentence is structured a little bit smaller so he said i'm here to disagree with rags not that there's any factual basis to the fact that he's wrong but because there are no objective truths about his opinions like that is essentially what he said and also quinton has this problem of painting all of our opinions as objectively true yeah which is not the case i share my subjective perspective on star wars several times in my assessment and i i signpost that because i like to let people know um yeah just just clarify that what that statement i just said condensed again basically is him saying i'm disagreeing with him not because he's factually wrong but because he's factually wrong like he said there's not factual basis to the fact that you're wrong but because you're not objectively correct did you get what i mean like he did not think about that statement because of how long it is he thought that sounded right but that doesn't make sense so let's give this one more listen because i think this is one big ball of gobbledygook instructed by these two to insist to their audience that their opinions are universally better than everyone else's this might seem blunt or crude but the ultimate issue to me is that it seems like a lot of rags believe that they're part of a battlefield fighting their holy and protected beliefs socially they use their flawed feces to justify the fact that they believe themselves to be warriors you two are not warriors none of us are warriors we are geeks online to talk about funny quintin we don't even disagree with you there but films stop acting like you are warriors basically someone who knows more about star wars than the right opinion it is going to be my job in this video to disagree with some of rags as points about star wars just this fucking music man i know right go power through god damn like you are warriors basically as someone who knows more about star wars than the right opinion it is going to be my job in this video to disagree with some of rags as points about star wars the lore the universe etc not because there is any factual basis to the fact that he is 100% wrong and not because he's a bad person for having opinions that i disagree with but because i am basically having to prove that his opinions are not universally measurable he said do you catch it yep so his sentence doesn't make any sense yes what his this is this is a bunch of gobbledygig so for for those out there who are like you break up the senses they don't make any sense we watched it all in a row he says i'm here to disagree with rags when he brings up points about blah blah not because there's a factual basis to the fact that he's wrong but because he's factually wrong this is like willow and quintan he said it in so many words that he fucking contradicted himself and that is why that what he said is not concise versus what i try and do which is to be explicit i don't always win at that but you know i like how in the chatter saying no factual basis to the fact but it's it's strange um the someone's saying that like having to prove is like having to prove why why are you compelled to prove something if you have just admitted that you can't as just this is a strange thing to say like this proofreading is important just don't have it be done by tiara are not ultimately 100 percent provable and are certainly not anything resembling objective i've seen many people say something along the lines of it's a well-made movie it's just a bad star wars movie which you can't really argue with which rags disputes as he believes that it is both well okay serious thing he said you cannot argue with it you can all you all it takes us for me to say i can't argue with it i've proven him wrong yeah because if you look in the dictionary star wars movie doesn't actually have a definition you'd have to talk to the person about what their standard would be for that yeah when you're saying it cannot be argued right normally people mean that in a very colloquial broad sense like you can't reasonably argue it but when you say you can't argue that this is a bad film or a bad star wars film or whatever all it takes is one person to argue with you and you're done son that's all it is well they would only be half right because the last jedi is a poorly made movie also it is a bad star wars movie as well by definition of being a bad film is that star wars film i mean obviously again a bit coy but obviously they'll just take that very seriously and run this into the ground let's think just the fact that i've disagreed i'm right because they said you can't argue it yeah it's like yeah i'll argue it i mean there you go yeah if we to take him very literally so you can't argue with it he can but obviously we could give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's saying that you can't argue against what what is essentially a feeling of it doesn't feel like star wars but the statement was it's not star wars let's even do that let's do that because earlier on he said he's never heard any good arguments against it so he's making a statement that he cannot possibly justify well like he shouldn't even agree with he should say that yes it is a good star wars film let's think what he said he opened up by saying i've never heard any arguments against the film and then he is saying that you can't argue against the film by what method have you used to determine that that is not justification for you making that statement you're not being consistent i'm like i said if we go with the benefit of the doubt and assume i hate everything he's saying that there's someone out there saying it doesn't feel like a star wars movie he'd be like well i can't argue that with you because you know blah blah but but the the structure of the the sentence came across is quite a bit different to that if you were to well go a different way with it let's say all right she follows this by saying that he's seen a lot of criticisms that are not oh hold up hold up wait yeah but that did that did happen uh we someone's saying on the dishonorable podcast episode 14 at four hours 10 minutes and 10 seconds you said you would not be you said you wouldn't want him in the call we that that that happened that's different though um that's yeah that's different we wanted we wanted to react to this video there was there was an idea that tiaro might guest on it but the fact is like it's gonna cause chaos if we have not only this enormous video to respond to but we have someone trying to defend it like i said that the easiest way would be what we did with cinema since since response to the video i'm not putting a condition on discussing things with him that's just whether or not he would be on this actual stream in and of itself and i believe the conversation went that uh if we were obliged to do that why wasn't tiaro obliged to bring rags on to discuss his video before making it like there's a there's no reason that that should happen it's just something that we could do really it's the quintin thing when you get to the quintin thing uh man that is oh that's that's really just being dare i say it toxic oh absolutely like i don't even think that's i think that's just straight up true like what what quintin said is blatantly not true about a lot of us but um what we're okay with is is tiaro coming on like that that's that's fine yeah and if and if and if and i'm and i'm perfectly 100 percent i absolutely will say that he misunderstood that i i totally agree i feel nothing against the right but rags has never denied debating him but we're not we're not obliged to bring him on to when we're responding to this video i wouldn't say that that's considered debate like we all all tiaro needs to do if he wants to come on is just um how i just go he doesn't even have to watch yeah absolutely if he wants to come on the next e-fap he can absolutely do that and i will happily set that up with him if he wants to just move past it and be buddies it's fine with me too in fact i would prefer that i'm totally willing oh yeah i'm i'm trying to maintain my relationship with him because i think he's a he's a he's a good guy it's just that this is obviously unfortunate because this is a bad video this was before he met either of me or rags and for some reason let quintan loose like that was a mistake let's just put it that way here's the thing if tiaro if he watches this um then is like he he made some mistakes some pretty really huge mistakes the quintan part being a big part of it but if he wants to just move on that's fine with me because man i no one needs more enemies quite frankly oh yeah we're out of that shit yeah obviously we didn't you know poke the bear here well i guess you could argue that rags started it by responding to i ate everything but i mean but then nothing to do with the right opinion and then that had nothing to do with me and yet i was brought in too so it was like yeah that's very strange uh it was very antagonistic in that sense but even i would say that i didn't i didn't i didn't throw the first punch i would say that i ate you did yeah and that's the thing it's it's all worth discussing i'd say and we'll absolutely set it up uh if tiaro is on board with that yeah come on yeah what is really bothering me about this entire conversation is that a lot of criticism i would actually to me i i would be interested to see what he has to say about things that we look at oh you mean like the video essays we've covered yeah like if he wanted to cover one with us i would be interested how he goes through those videos yeah we could always find something that you know preferably would be someone he's not friends with because we've covered quinton before so we wouldn't want him to have to do that we could talk about how kill monger was correct yes criticisms but what is really bothering me about this entire conversation is that a lot of criticisms for this movie are not actually criticisms at all oh like what now we're just putting criticisms up in quotes okay he then proceeds to address this society example where someone said that it was a bad movie because they didn't use the will help scream in it just stupid yeah but it's fucking so stupid even i hate everything said he's not understandable why even put that in the video to me and wolf we we cited it was like why did you put that in he was like i don't know it is something someone said it's like dude what the fuck does it matter if someone said it's bad because it didn't have a fucking particular scream in it come on yeah man that's pretty and again this comes down to well he did it because it exists and it's like oh great that's a standard for content creation now i guess well i mean if it exists right yeah let me saw a comment whinging about the last jedi being a bad movie simply because they didn't use the will help scream sound effect yeah that that really makes the film bad doesn't it wait you understand this video is you whinging right that's what this video is it's you whinging as previously right yes i'm yeah i'm using whinging in the same way that he used it yeah i mean you could ask for clarification from rags if he wants to define what he means by whinging but uh or we could just take whatever you're gonna take with it let's see where he goes ex gets annoyed and asks why he's talking about such statements what why are you giving these stupid idiotic things attention in time we've had this discussion before he's talking about them because they're mildly interesting points at exempt mildly interesting points mildly interesting points really is not even i hate everything could explain why they were just it's just stupid yeah man this is one of those things where it's kind of like well it's this is uh i'm drawn to a parallel between this and when people defend leia doing her little spacewalk yeah people said oh she trained in the movies between and then ryan johnson said no she didn't it was like you're you're trying to defend something but like the author of the material is saying no well um he's not he's we can't say this wrong mildly interesting sure tiaro maybe you find it mildly interesting maybe i hate everything does but do you understand how much of a crap defense that is it's mildly interesting yeah okay this is and that there wasn't a willhelm scream mildly interesting like man that is a oh that yeah it's just a low bar for for uh of all the comments you could have covered you went with that one because it was mildly interesting sure whatever as previously rags gets annoyed and asks why he's talking about such statements what why are you giving these stupid idiotic things attention in time we've had this discussion before he's talking about them because they're mildly interesting points that exemplify the exaggerated reaction he then in turn gets angry about why yeah um i could take any cherry picked set of points to prove any narrative about the last jedi i could pick all the ones that are overly in love with it and say this is mildly interesting if you consider my point is that it's there's too much love for the last jedi look at all these comments and i have you know i loved it because it didn't have the willhelm scream in it and then i go see how ridiculous this is people are loving the film because it didn't have a particular scream and i'm just as fucking devoid of content as as i hit everything was the one point you try to make you had some crazy person say they love a film for the stupid reason yeah i'm questioning like why this of all things you know it's like this video is x you know long so i'm wondering you you had the option to talk about anything you wanted and you chose that like okay yeah well like is this so hard to just let that go as like a yeah i had everything probably could have picked up a more substantial comment like yeah that's basically what i'm saying yeah well we have to argue it because just like everything you said is just too mean no my answer is because it exists i criticize it because it exists and if that's a good enough reason for i hate everything then that should serve as a perfectly good reason for me criticisms how come you have not yet to the stupid insipid vacuous empty pointless completely and we've already spoken about that too another very special moment occurs which has confused me to this day i g's comments about people complaining about science in a star wars movie and this is followed by rags stating that he doesn't understand why quote you think i assume you being i he things need explanations to be sensical even paying attention to this franchise at all those are different movies yeah also that does follow so um lightsabers they don't need an explanation to be sensical that's how they work they exist as long as they operate consistently yeah so if someone slices it in half and it still works we've been shown several times that that'll prevent a lightsaber from working so we'll be like hey if a lightsaber can no longer cut through somebody i just hit some like a bat we'd be like uh hey that that doesn't make sense yeah like when someone like um if a lightsaber operate a lightsaber operates by rules it blocks blaster bolts and it stops other lightsaber blades but it cuts through basically everything else so if you get if you try if like if two lightsabers swung at each other and they went through each other we'd be we'd have questions yeah it doesn't have to line up with science in the first place we don't know the science behind it it's all basically gobbledygook it's science blah blah like hyperdrive we went over it earlier the internal internal consistency yes it's about internal consistency it's not hard apparently to this day tiaro hasn't understood what you were saying there so hopefully that explains it if he's uh listening to this yeah internal consistency by lack of science star wars while the absolutely retarded design of the bombers at the beginning of the last Jedi is not a particularly good example for gravity i don't understand why you think maul's lightsaber still works after it's cut in half you're all fake fans get the fuck out it was it was further to one side that's how it's justified it was yeah it was huge though it was really long it was like four times the size of a normal one and it makes sense because there is no science in star wars but space wizards god man for kids taking so seriously things have to have explanations in order for them to be considered sensical but then saying that it's a fact criticism why people should be concerned it is by no means a poor criticism for people to ask themselves why very basic ten i kind of want to find out what that was yeah all right we can uh scroll it back it's not a particularly good example for gravity i don't understand why you think things have to have explanations in order for them to be considered sensical but then saying that it's a fact criticism why people should be concerned it is by no means a that was a fucking mess of flashy shit on the screen i'm not even sure how much it was relevant no i i didn't i didn't see it i don't think we're supposed to read it there's no way if it comes off that quick i didn't know i didn't see it at all um i'm more curious about what you're about to say because i'm assuming he's gonna rip into it criticism why people should be concerned it is by no means a poor criticism for people to ask themselves why very basic tenets of something do not apply to the rules of reality or the rules that have been pre-established in a universe i then assume retrospectively that he means you as general but the way he delivered it and the tone in he was refuting something and then he realized he was making the wrong points either way it was how's that for reading into something oh yeah that's uh so to clarify for the right opinion again uh rags is saying that it's absolutely a criticism if uh it it betrays the previously established part of itself that's kind of what he was getting out from from what i heard but that's that's just me i'm basically just asking for consistency in something you don't have to you don't have to show how it works just show that as a consistent function exactly very very simple to understand i think that you could have given rags that with just a little bit of benefit of the doubt to be like oh he's probably referring to consistency internally because there's a very common thing that's discussed but hey rather than using now whether the criticism is valid or not i think it's fair to say that a few gravity related instance on only big deal we're not saying the whole concept of uh it depends on what it has happened which in this case it managed to destroy the dreadnought and save the fleet yeah just pretty important dude but hey there we are gravity was completely done wrong it was clearly done on schemas that we're all familiar with he was addressing someone who took issue with a specific scenario to do with gravity i don't know about you but i can see why that is perceived as nitpicking right is it why don't you explain why you just say that it is because some people could call that nitpicking it's not nitpicking because it saves the fucking day okay yeah man it's like that's like a huge thing that happens people are so cool you rag regularly happen because of a thing you know i i need to find what nitpicking is for us tiara tags admits in this video that he recorded this whole thing live without a script and the way he did it basically was he would play a brief clip of i hate everything saying something and then he would respond to it live this is an inherently flawed system that's what's coming from you you know people tell me they love that they i can't believe quintin is criticizing your methods that's insane that is pretty crazy but man like people really like it and they say it sounds really sincere and oh i just i don't know man like rags can you next time straw man the shit out of your opponents uh don't show any context and uh call them warriors for a holy war just just do that that'll that's the way to do it this what he's doing is teaching you because what you do where you show the context and then you respond as statements go past like we're doing now that's shit don't do that fuck that here's the thing i'm not going to say quintin's useless because everybody can profit from a bad example i agree with that rags will play one sentence of i hate everything's video at a time sometimes less and then he will respond to that clip for minutes on end and it gets to the point that he has failed so heavily to connect one sentence to the next that he stops even fully understanding what alex that's okay even if that were true that is better straw man that is better than removing context deliberately yeah i mean here's something i have really i would love an example because i think they've tried to give examples but they don't really work but i if i have a a complete thought and i remember a complete thought doesn't have to be a whole sentence but if i have a complete thought then i will interject and give my opinion yeah and and we do try on this and i'm sure rags will do it every once in a while maybe when he's responding to stuff uh if there's a chance that we we have a statement then we're like maybe something before after it could support or or clarify it we give it a shot and we'll always find out because we're watching a whole video on this stream we've done that a lot yeah we always we always rewind to give the benefit and the thing is i give the whole video so then i would hear the rest of the clip and i just i just love it man that the fucking audacity to criticize you like this when he removes context deliberately it's crazy though because if what he was saying was true then i would stop my recording and then just resume his video and then the video would say the thing and i'd be like oh i clear that up yeah oh quinton quinton quinton quinton you make it very hard to like you oh this is bad quinton you should feel bad for it is trying to say in the first place system it's not a system obviously no no no no no quinton it's not a system please don't call it that it is not a system i promise you it's not a tumor wait wait wait it's not a oh it says 48 minutes 30 seconds 48 minutes and 30 seconds yeah that's what it says but it's like loading or spooling that's okay i'll just get us back 48 that'll do standing what alex is trying to say in the first place through this system he obviously has no capacity to understand rhetorical statements for motherfucker don't even bother i can't take you seriously with with how you've responded to our content the idea that you're criticizing someone else for their methods you the video is not loading for me ass uh do you want to try rejoining see if fx is it yeah let me try that he's so full of shit he is full of shit man is it a 48 here we go 48 yeah 48 20 standing what alex is trying to say in the first place through this system he obviously has no capacity to understand rhetorical statements for instance i do a lot of the discussion i've built a youtube channel of it besides you and t ro a fucking rhetorical statements from rags you haven't even they've done worse they've just made shit up when when rags is like imagine saying that shit to mark hamill and it was just like uh excuse me i had everything is not saying this to mark hamill and it's like yeah okay that's not what was happening i'm not saying he is i'm asking what what what if you did like it's supposed to it's supposed to reveal something about what i had everything he's saying but obviously that flew right over everyone's heads and this fucking analysis questions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified you have two choices you can either really love it or think it's the worst film ever made or you can be like t ro and think it was okay yeah like t ro even when he was at this part in the video he said he disagreed like obviously i he's wrong are they are those the only two options there's there's no middle ground really whenever alex will do something like apply i love it so he's accused you of of of taking a hypothetical and taking it seriously even though quint uh t ro has said in this video that he disagrees with alex's statement and quintin doesn't show where i've messed up he's just like he he just plays me saying that all you know obviously there's not you know there's the there's middle ground not the two extremes i don't understand what what is someone supposed to take away from this because i haven't been like refuted what i take away from him as uh it's not okay when you say it but it's okay when quintin's friend t ro says it i guess because we both basically both agree that i actually was wrong when he said that and even if he was responding to how he seems that way well then my statement still holds up because i'm asking hey quintin give this advice to t ro because he didn't catch it either obviously there you go rags you and t ro get to learn a lesson today don't take i hate everything seriously that that was your mistake unless you need to then do unless you should unless you should only do it when you need to last Jedi to the original trilogy rags his response is to defend the original trilogy and then to act as if alex is saying that because the original trilogy is bad the last Jedi is better in comparison and it gets to the what does that even mean that the last Jedi that the original trilogy was bad so the last Jedi is better in comparison i to unpack whatever nonsense that was i believe that um i hate everything eventually takes a shot of the ot and then you're probably gonna make the claim that he i hate everything he's saying that because the ot is bad that means that the new woods can't be considered bad because they're bad too and that that would be what about is i don't know if that's what he's going for so it might be because maybe he's referring to i was pointing out the the rotten tomato scores and saying that the rotten time well maybe he maybe because i pointed out the tomato score for the old ones was higher that means i'm defending them just give it another shot his response is to wait let's go back a little bit because yeah i'm not really following and again they're doing see you see how they they criticize your method right of showing the person saying the thing and then responding and yet they keep telling us what you said so we can't actually hear it yeah and we already know they took me out of context so many times it's like why would we trust you you're gonna have to show the clips yeah that's why it's it's that's the thing i love my content because well the it's not a system it's just the style but you know when one of us is talking and it's in it's just it's linear it's an order i don't skip back and forth and back and forth unless on very rare occasions and it's very on it's put there very prominently you are going out of your way to avoid the many many many legitimate criticisms of the last Jedi you can see that rags and itchy are not on the same wavelength of what they want to discuss they're a legitimate criticism of the last Jedi there are nitpicks and the only thing that itchy is trying to assert is that the nitpicking seems to be more common in this movie than the previous one and rags is asserting that's not the case yeah man i i don't know he hasn't even no one has defined nitpicking yet i know if you disagree with that then that is fine but you are not entitled to a formal debate there it is again i never said i was entitled to a formal debate and it's retarded that you'd say that yeah and we offered it to quinton and he fucked off so we were not entitled to debate him he's just welcome to speak to us of all the intricate points because his video would go on just as long as yours and that's not what he or the fan base enjoys i jesus i don't give a shit what the fan base enjoys plus my fan base enjoys long videos actually and i think malo you get plenty of comments from people who enjoy the long content they say i listen to it at work i listen to it while i'm driving well i mean i know that i had everything i can drive to and from work and have something to listen to i had everything got a backlash for his video so it clearly wasn't a resounding success for his fan base not that i give a shit because that was never rags his point it's like rat you shouldn't have made this video uh because that your audience won't like it that's not ever something rags fucking said yeah that's weird that's that's very strange he then says nitpicking a film to the point where you're purposefully ignoring the context and intent isn't helpful to anyone racton orders him to tell that to cinema sins you just brought their name up so it seemed appropriate as if cinema sins would take offense but cinema sins do it for a joke they continuously have to it depends on who you talk to and what they say what time you talk to yeah man and it depends on what it is and cinema sins because some of their criticism is legitimate and good and that's the thing next one will be bad i had everything is going to uh say that cinema sins has contributed to the negativity of like uh cinema culture or whatever you want to call it and like tiaro's saying here uh excuse me they're a joke they're not supposed to be taken seriously it's like yeah well i had everything take some seriously i would say that cinema sins helped because it gets people to at least in some way think more critically yeah like deconstructing a film it may have opened people up to that idea how effective you are at it and you need information obviously it gets complicated but um yeah yeah i don't even just just tells yeah it stands the fact that i hate everything said that combined with the fact that i had everything blame cinema sins and himself towards the end of the video for negativity surrounding cinema which very strange really sad to hear from i had everything considering a lot of his criticism was very productive and or constructive in terms of pointing out how bad something could be structurally but hey someone says just uh forget the fan base destroy it if you have to tell their fans not take their videos seriously because they are by nature not a legitimate analysis no no no hold up hold up wow who wow by nature they're not legitimate analysis that's interesting wow that's ooh cinema sins um you're you're hoof um who made you the fucking arbiter of what is and isn't legitimate criticism and that's the thing people tell us that we do i know that damn that was a very telling statement just to declare that uh cinema sins is not what was the word exactly let me just let's let's just get it all against but cinema sins do it for a joke they continuously have to tell their own fans not take their video seriously because they are by nature not a legitimate analysis yeah that's not so you there's quotes from jeremy saying as uh cinema sins it's funny that he's in the chat for this uh they've said themselves that their outset was to criticize the current state of hollywood that it's pumping out too much shit and that they want to point out where they've failed miserably and they're not even considering the fact that they have many many influences in people saying like this with they it's not that they can't make a good video all right yeah i'm putting it out there the cinema sins can make a good video it's possible also i would say that it's not actually up to cinema sins to determine whether or not their own contents legitimate i don't even i mean that's such a that's such a can of worms to open up you know yeah what do you mean legitimate exactly that that's one of those thing that's one of those words people use that kind of needs a definition what do you mean legitimate criticism what is legitimate criticism because they can say that they're not legitimate criticism but they could be depending on how you want to say legitimate i'm curious very much about that statement but it's just going to be glossed over the channel that sees out the inclusion of people eating apples is um someone could say that what i'm about to say isn't a joke but they say something and if somebody laughs at it well he's about to point out that eating an apple is a sin um we already know that cinema sins sins for the lack of lap dances or for extended credit sequences at the beginning from producers and and stuff so yes we know that they make jokes i've made jokes in my videos it it's a thing you can do while actually providing criticism comedians are often some people who do that some of the legitimate some of his criticisms are good though and they hold up he makes some good criticisms in his videos yeah they're not all jokes yeah absolutely exist probably he's against the film they're not acting this way with serious intent rags then try to matter what their intent is it literally doesn't matter what their intent is yeah the criticism what they say may very well be a valid criticism just it would be like me saying the sun is a star you'd be like see that's not a valid claim because he's joking yeah it's like yes it is a valid claim what are you talking about yeah it's like that's the thing you don't get to determine whether or not you're legitimate i mean that's that's kind of circular reasoning is it legitimate well it's it's legitimate because i said it's legitimate how do we know it's legitimate because i said it's legitimate yeah conforming to the law or to rules so what are the rules of criticism like well um do we got to go down this rabbit hole that's my question it's like he didn't even bother but yeah i hope i can if i were to i want to do this in the future i need to catch myself like when i say things like if i was to say legitimate criticism i need to like define that what does that mean i need to catch myself stop myself and say well when i say legitimate criticism i mean you know exploit to use the fact that i actually notes that he goes into arguably too much detail of some sort of equivalent the description of your destiny to review reads ihe goes into arguably too much detail on bungee's new entry in the hugely popular destiny franchise you made a 49 minute video review of destiny to where you admit to being nitpicky about it and countless countless hours must have been spent editing compiling all of that footage putting your thoughts together and making those into a movie but if you want to get me to video for his about wait sorry i didn't i think it's one of those yeah go on well i i need to use the loo anyway but he's like guess where this goes i bet a lot of people can understand what my point is before i even make it they could follow it to the end of the road you know if he's saying nitpicks are bad nitpicks are bad when it's applied to the last jedi you know and then sure enough his video on destiny to where he admits he goes into too much detail well i mean is it was a bad then yeah i mean is it bad to do it to destiny to oh by the way rags i have no idea where we are in your video you know like 51 21 no no no your video as in oh i don't either i have no clue how much we've seen continuity what is it like i was gonna say it's such an interesting thing to say but the continuity of this youtube video is confusing as hell um that's interesting yeah capy gamer hello again um he said he i really hate how he's jumping from part to part without any chronological order is that yeah that's true i have no idea where we are and the thing is i haven't watched my video basically since somebody uh but um i have no idea where we are in my video that's right i haven't even really thought about it because we're kind of following this train wreck to the end of the rails but yeah man where are we in my video that's very strange but um i uh i need to use the loo i gotta be that's right i will read some super chats mark hamill is an absolute treasure to humanity this is true i feel like a channel called the right opinion carries the smugness of a h bomb a guy video just join the stream what is he like uh he's he's not too smug is a couple of little bits like the one where he said that there's um totally malicious content out there when rags are talking about videos and then you showed a bunch of comments then he was like i'm pretty sure that proves it or something like that and it's like no it doesn't this is two very different things but okay so that there's a bit of that and it's like it's almost like i'm saying you shouldn't be super confident when you're wrong because that equals smug but it's like you know there's a lot of complicated stuff about how it comes down to being smug i've been smug it's not like you automatically become a h bomb the guy if he's smug he's like smug lord um hey man i like your content great rags pointed it out no well good good um i took an art i took arthas gcse and failed because i was crap how would they determine that it's terrible if it's all subjective well that's obviously a lie that never happened you sorry i have no thesis statement ah see that's where you've lost no thesis statement means that you've uh you fucked up you and some other people will um will give you your thesis statement if you don't have it they'll provide it to you like quinton he'll make a video just for you his neck beard is where the thesis statements are lol been to a bar for two hours still not at half of the video yeah and we're at six hours and four minutes um i'm thinking we're probably gonna call it soon i can just only well yeah i was gonna say do you think we should split this into two um you know we could probably do that yeah that would be fine with me because obviously it'll be me and you again because i mean you have pretty good schedule so we could probably set this up relatively quickly yeah because i just i need to do something else man oh yeah this has been six hours do you want to just this is the rough we will carry on from 51 minutes when we come back to it how's that sound um let me see we're at 51 21 right now right someone said um is rags dying no i drink a shit ton of water i drink a lot of water like i've gone through like four bottles five bottles since we've been here because the water helps one adjust to high climates and it's good for you because i'm about to do a rim to rim hike um at the Grand Canyon later this month yeah i genuinely feel like it's six hours is a lot me and Bert rags both need to do human things in order to function i'm just gonna fucking walk around and play a video game or some shit uh but what we'll we'll we'll definitely get it sorted out um as a closing thing of course wolf left wolf's not been in a great place lately he's gonna be released in a video going over it and after that he's gonna be absent from efab for a bit now once we've done this quintan thing and possibly had t ro on for whatever might happen with that uh we've got a few guests lining up and i've listened to you guys and i'm going to be contacting people to make sure we try and get them on uh pray and so yeah lots to come efab is triumph and every frame of fap that's that's the official name uh i hope you guys have had fun is there anything you want to want to say rags well hunter says uh hey rags and mauler the last jedi debacle caused me to unsubscribe to most of the analysis channels that i liked if you could crank out more videos to compensate it would be nice well you're about to get a shit ton from mauler eventually because his last jedi or his the force awakens thing is oh yeah that is i'm i'm gonna put an update on my patreon tonight because i didn't do it this morning i meant to do this morning but i'll give you guys a big update on how the project's going there is progress lots of progress now i'll start making videos very soon too uh almost all the new artwork and everything will be done for that really shortly yeah i was gonna say not you worry that's a link to rags his channel in the chat now i don't know did you want to do some uh something specific with this video now or did you want to i think i can wait till the second part's out let's wait till the second part yeah that makes sense uh so yeah that's that's pretty much it um you can find this will be up in about probably like three or four hours depending on how long it takes to process on my second channel which is mula you guys can go ahead and jump on that and uh you'll you'll get it when it's out it'll be public on there instead of unlisted here again chat has died for me now which is really convenient when i'm trying to end so i can see if people are asking anything but whatever can't do anything about that thank you all for watching hope you had fun if i had fun this was awful give it another um people people were like man he really got you and i'm like oh yeah maybe it maybe that's in the second half people site this video is destroying me and you which no wonder they think it destroyed us it doesn't fucking have quotes from us in it just to invent visions of us yeah man um but yeah uh yeah rags hydrate for that rim to rim job soon there you go that was the last super chat thank you again guys for the donations very generous and we will see you next time for the remainder of this epic um goodbye bye bye