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Yeah, it's we got about an hour about halfway. It's good two topics halfway through good Right on target. It's exactly what I wanted All right topic three we're going back to Odyssey What I was gonna put this on one topic, but I'm like Whatever we got to talk about Odyssey again again for the full context because some people are gonna listen to this topic and not hear The other parts of it. This is being recorded before right we were able to play Odyssey Yep, but just some interesting stuff to bring up or hear real sales numbers from the presumably that that October 30th report. Yes The best selling game on Amazon for all of 2017 is Mario Karty deluxe The second best-selling game in 2017 for all video games On Amazon, it's just Amazon one retailer really popular retailer. Maybe you've heard of them Maybe we've heard of this game Super Mario Odyssey before the games even out. That's amazing. That's the number three breath of the wild So I Want you guys to predict Is it gonna outsell breath of the wild Mario Kart 8 and why are why not? Go ahead Eric. Are we talking combined? Well, it's just total sales for yeah, yeah, it'll be lifetime today like when switches all done and we look back No, no, I'm talking combined It might be the best selling game of all time then all right, but uh, yeah I think it will outsell both those just because it the hype already is there the sales figures apparently already they're just with Amazon and It's It's a more I Want to say it's a more broader Franchise it's got a lot more fans than just a Zelda or a you know Mario Kart. Yeah So I think just with that alone. It's gonna outsell them now together. No, probably not, but Yeah, I see you thinking over there Yeah, honestly, I agree that it is definitely gonna outsell both of those games I would think that if it was a brand new Mario Kart that it was competing against and not You know the sort of deluxe edition Then I think yeah Mario Kart would probably outsell a mainline Mario Platformer but in this case Mario Kart 8 not a Brand new game and so I think it will outsell both Zelda breath of the wild and mark art 8 deluxe specifically Now if they put out a new one, you know Mario Kart 9 that could sell better. I think but in this case I think more obviously is the winner. I think It's tough because You know like when you talk about Mario Kart 8 deluxe obviously it's a port. It's a very good port Yeah, new features added to it are superior version. I mean, it's the best. That's the best version There's no question. Well, and technically breath of the wild is also a port. Yeah, I know but But yeah, the difference is that breath of wild released on both platforms at the same time, right? My card 8 was like a year or two later for sure so I Understand arguments against Mario Kart, but then at the same time. It's the it helps selling Zelda right now So it's like It'll be interesting to see what the sales update is because Man if Mario Kart jumped out of the Zelda that would be insane. It was especially after how Zelda started But yeah, I think a lot of people that own switches right now Sorry to cut you off. I did some problem. Um, I just want to give this one thing out. It's that I don't think most people that own switches Are we you owners? And I think if switch continues to blow up and be this thing that moves 50 60 70 80 100 million units God forbid We you and what the numbers games down there aren't gonna matter when you're talking about a system with 13.5 million units versus that right Um, I mean look at what Mario Kart we sold Yeah, 20 plus million units. I mean it I mean insane insane numbers numbers that Nintendo's never seen with franchises before right, um And if that's the direction the switch is heading if the switch is really heading towards that 60 70 80 100 million plateau I don't know how Mario Kart 8 being on we you is really going to be relevant Right. No, but the news is that it is an old game, you know, well the news to switch owners Is this not old because they've never played it Right, but there's still that that feeling in the air of oh, but it's a port You know sure I don't know not that it matters. Obviously. I would contend that a lot of switch owners. There might be a lot of switch owners It didn't even know what a Wii U was That's definitely how we don't even know. Oh, this is a port That is definitely what was a ported from this wasn't what Mario Kart Wii was like Um, oh it's a port from that that 3ds one, right? Yeah it's I don't think it's gonna the guess the thing I think Mario Kart has a broader appeal than even mario Yes, totally, especially 3d mario Specifically 3d mario because 3d mario is always not sold as well as 2d mario I think 2d mario has has a huge huge appeal We've seen it. We've seen, you know, that new super mario bro series every single one of those games sold awesome Even the Wii U one sold relatively awesome for the hardware was on But mario kart 8 has always been like right there and above I'm curious what kind of sales there would be between new super mario brothers Wii U and mario kart 8 Both Wii U figures only I can't remember that they have that up on their website Oh, I just don't have a computer in front of me to look at it But yeah, the their official japanese sales thing actually has like the million sellers for Wii U And you can look at it right there and see which one sold better um So that's that's my one my one caveat is that mario kart's just broader appeal And people aren't going to care that it's the Wii U version because it's that good and everyone says it's that good um, and It's one of those games that apparently at least based on one one retailer. It's a must-one game. Yeah, switch um now obviously None of us are giving Zelda even remotely a shot No, yeah Obviously you can buy Wii U sales with it. I might even if you can buy Wii U sales with it um No I think breath of the wild is going to be evergreen Unlike some other Zelda games. It's going to keep selling every month. Yes. So is mario. So is mario kart. Mm-hmm Um, as we see in the sales charts that mario kart and zelda and all the stuff keep being up there And that's another thing though, too, though is mario kart also does have a head start on odyssey Yes, so but odyssey also gets the advantage of launching when there's more units on the market Yes Yep I mean think about this two million units are sold in the u.s. Plus, however, many millions are selling over the next couple days on odyssey's launch And i've thought worldwide millions i'm not saying that we're selling all that That just that just necessarily means that It might have a better chance at selling overall within the first like a couple weeks That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to sell better overall overall. Well, let's think about this It's true, but the hype is so fresh now with more units out sales of breath of the wild are now Uh, it's no longer at that point where breath of the wild has sold more than the number of switches that we bought That was just during launch that there are more not everyone that owns A switch got zelda at this point. Maybe they got it for mario kart Maybe they got a first platoon or arms or whatever the case may be You know, maybe they bought it for indie games. I know like greg miller loves Like he thinks it's it's the new vita for him He loves the vita because it's the best indie platform. He's ever played on and For him, that's what switch is But even greg miller is buying super mario odyssey Oh, yeah, and I I keep thinking in the back of my mind what person owns a switch that is not buying odyssey I could see people not buying zelda It's a port. Maybe they bought it on wii u Uh, maybe they just can't handle the fact it's at 30 fps and as performance tips. Maybe they just won't like open world Exploration games or maybe they watched a review and they thought the item system was bad Yeah, but how many people zelda game 15 years ago and they didn't like it and they don't care to try it again Right, but when you own a nintendo platform, everyone knows mario. That's the mascot. Yeah 3d mario especially is popular among like the more hardcore gaming crowd The more adult crowd and that is what nintendo has attracted with switch. Mm-hmm. So I keep it hard to know like what consumer out there owns a switch. That's not buying odyssey at some point in the next couple years So I keep thinking about that like it's not gonna have a hundred percent. That's right. No game does right, but it's I keep thinking i'm like man odyssey is that game That I don't know if you own a switch how you don't own it. Yeah, but that's of the wild I I could see Mm-hmm odyssey like Even people that that have told me that they don't like the drastic changes in the art directions between the world I understand that criticism. I guarantee you the moment they try the game if they're buying it. Mm-hmm What if they never try it? I'm sure here's the thing. It's a game that all the friends are gonna have So they're gonna try it eventually At least I hope maybe they don't have friends. Maybe they're not friends. I don't know. Yeah, I can't assume We don't know that's right. I mean my only friend in the world sitting right next to me. So like If I didn't have him then I mean I got I got you guys, right? Yeah, that's right. Thousands of subscribers thousands of subscribers that I never see your faces But you feel their love Yes, I feel you reckon me in Splatoon 2 Every match reminding me how much was new by m Or bashing my skill set at arms like oh man, you really suck at arms Oh man, I just started playing arms. I've never played it. Oh, that's what friends do. It's brand new Nobody's ever played it. Why do you think why do you think I'm playing grand prix on level one? So I dominate and feel like a boss Instead of getting destroyed by the cpu Um, but don't go over there. You might you might not be able to beat what's over there Well, dude, I barely won the volleyball in the level one now granted. I wasn't using the motion controls I remember when I played the test punch I was better at the volleyball game with the motion controls than I was with the sticks Uh, but I've been playing it exclusively with sticks this time around just because I I'm too lazy to reach up and disconnect my joy counts. Basically I've I'm sitting at home. I mean don't joy counts can stay in there. Um Yeah, especially now like hey notice. We have another controller for mba 2k 18 now Yeah, you won't even have to use the drone. So you can use a normal Oh You're not even using the pro controller because I kind of like the feel. Oh, I was playing zelda with it It's nice. I haven't even tried to touch it yet. So it's nice. It's light because it's not bad. There's no battery Right, but are you gonna play it with a gamecube controller? No No, I'm actually wolf then uh, and his recent life said he says that he wished that Nintendo would just kill off the gamecube controller I'm gonna I'm gonna piss off a lot of people, but I agree No, I agree too. How long it's time to move on controllers have gotten better than the gamecube I understand that the button layout is literally perfect for smith. It's like the controller was built for smash bros Yeah, yeah, I get it. I understand It's time to move on the rest of the world has moved on But you few hardcore people that nintendo doesn't even want to support in the first place The controller isn't perfect. Anyway, it has some really cool things that maybe they could have refined a lot triggers are cool No, that is one thing that I wish with a little bit chunky though. They are chunky. They are They are it's not perfect Um, right. I don't I'm not gonna come all right and say oh the switch pro controller is better It's better than some aspects But it's also the standard that everyone in the world has been using For 20 years. It's time to get off of A controller built for a single game Though in some ways I really have to respect it because now this is the fourth console generation That you can use the same original gamecube controller on it's insane. That is kind of a present That's assuming your controller survived That is also true. Yeah It needs to go away and I hate that because when it does go away It does pretty much mean the death of a melee community Um, but I'm sure there'll be three third party always. Yeah out there. That'll make it. We have it. There's not allowed yet Oh in the tournaments. Yeah, sure. I'm sure once the tinder Like there's a reason like there's there's uh fight sticks that are allowed to use a lot of pro players in fighting games Like these fight sticks. Yeah, they're not as good But according to the pro players as the gamecube controllers for pulling off certain moves. So it's like I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a pro melee player. So I can't tell you Pro melee players are going to go on our comments and be like you are just so full Let me tell you what you can't do with the controller But the thing is that's their only option They're going to go there out. So I think I think the only time they kill it off for sure like I know they keep bringing it back The only way they're going to kill it off for sure is if whenever they release the next smash bros They finally support it as a true esport Yeah Because then if they support it as a true esport offer cash prizes Do this do that push it really hard to evo do all this stuff That's how to kill off the melee community anyways because there's no money there Right All the money will be with this new game that nintendo is supporting with money. Yeah And if they do that then it's okay Of course you're killing off the gamecube controller because you're trying to now you're saying look We will finally support the smash community just with our latest game We're not going to do it right with an old game that we never built to be used that way Counterpoint what if they really use melee hd? Gamecube controller back in action Kill it off anyways make it in the pot make people use the pro here's the thing Here's why I hate seeing the pro controller brought through through the generations for melee whatever That was the only controller at the time. It is not the standard controller that comes with your system Right, so now you're giving people specific advantages over other people Oh, you're used to it with melee. So now you have all these advantages when you're playing brawl or when you're playing You know super smash force 4 on we you Why are you giving those people an advantage because they are refusing to change how they play to the new controller? Yeah, everyone else has to use that's been my problem with them continue to bring it back is that it is Giving an advantage. It's like oh options are good. I agree options are good as long as those options are available to everybody Yeah, everyone does an onky controller. Yes, they brought back the smash controller. It was very hard to get a hold of It's very hard for a while to even get a hold of the port But everybody has a gamepad. Yeah Everyone can get a Wii U pro controller. Why can't you just make that the standard? Why do you have to offer a vastly different controller type and give people who refuse to change an advantage? And I understand it's catering to the the most hardcore fan base Yeah, I get that but guess what a majority of your sales to smash aren't to the hardcore fan base They should they should if you're so good at smash melee and you're so good with that game cube controller You should be able to get just as good with the new controllers. Oh, yeah yeah Develop new grips develop new strategies learn how to use it every all other fighting games and all other games FPS games shooter games everyone uses it And you never know it it could actually be better eventually because The response times are a good night That's the one thing is it wired wired But the thing is again, they're it's all analog though. Well the pro controller Uh switch can be wired in you can connect it as a usb controller. Yeah, so like Yeah The you don't have to use it wire. It's all analog for a professional player You don't have to I mean even look at this this controller here this mario controller Yes, it's a third party controller, but it's officially licensed. It's a wired controller And it has all the same functionality as the pro controller Just, you know, no amiibo support. No, whatever, but you don't need that for pro playing anyways No, yeah, no hd rumble, but whatever you can have a controller like that But as I said the pro controller itself already plugs in So you don't have to use it wirelessly since you don't have to use it wirelessly that excuse has gone The only excuses you don't want to change right Because you spent 15 years perfecting something I get I understand There are speedrunners out there they spend years But guess what they're playing that game with the original controller came with they're not being like Oh, man, I perfected speedrunning zelda 2 with nes controller. So now that should be compatible with breath of the wild. Yeah No, they they adapt to the new controls for the new game Yeah, well, it's like what if smash brothers fundamentally changes the fighting style And adds instead of just smash attacks and special attacks What if they add a third button now that has a whole new set of attacks? Are you going to complain all they have to do exactly the same thing that you've done for the last 15 years all they have to do to kill the gamecube controller is Make it so All four shoulder buttons do something that you can't do with any other button Right. Yeah, because it only has the three done Can't do I mean it's got four face buttons. Yeah, you can't do anything about that. Yeah You can't do anything about start select or the joysticks. No, no, there's only start. There's no select Yeah, sorry, there's no select, but you're not gonna make that a move in the game Minus button minus button. Come on. Hit the minus could be the smash ball But literally if they add some new mechanic that's only possible With having to hit all, you know, even if you have to hit two the shoulder buttons or whatever Where there's at some point you need to use all four shoulder buttons for something the left side Yeah, be on the left side. Yeah the top top left one. Yeah Yeah, then they can kill the gamecube controller Because the gamecube controller literally could not be the best controller for it Unless you have the melee players going to be like, oh that move doesn't matter anyways. Yeah, right No one's going to beat me anyways because all the pro players aren't going to use that move There's always going to be that one I'm sure some of them also are going to arrive on the scene with a successfully modded gamecube controller with another shoulder button It was so bad guys. Yeah I appreciate your love of the gamecube controller. I thought it was a fantastic controller. It is a cool controller. No lies Was a fantastic controller keyword It's time to move on Just like it's time to move on to our next topic. All right Final topic of the day. Oh, yeah Finally, we're not we're not talking about odyssey A little smooth because we went from talking about odyssey to not talking about odyssey, but that's okay