 say we'll fatally weaken democracy by removing one of the key checks and balances on that power. Now this law nullifies the Supreme Court's ability to overrule decisions made by government officials on the legal basis of unreasonableness. It's one of several measures by which the coalition plans to either limit the scope of the court's authority and also gain greater control over who gets chosen for it. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrived at the Knesset this afternoon to vote on the law after being released just this morning from Shiba Medical Center where he had a pacemaker implanted over this weekend. The opposition boycotted the third and final vote of the law as protestors demonstrated in Jerusalem outside the Knesset and at Tel Aviv's Kaplan Intersection. Here's what Justice Minister Yareev Levine and opposition and Yeshiva Teed party leader Yair Lapid had to say after the vote. This is definitely an extraordinary moment. We have taken a first step in the important historical process of correcting the judicial system and restoring the powers taken from the government and the Knesset over many years. Today is a sad day, a day of the destruction of the temple, a day of free hate. I look at the coalition celebrating and ask why are you celebrating that you are dismantling the Jewish state that we have, that people who have served together in the reserves for 30 years cancel the annual meeting because they know it will end badly. This extreme government is hugging and posing to celebrate the moment they made it so that we are no longer brotherly people. Let's go to our senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Altman who spent the day in the Knesset then Owen tell us how you experienced this very dramatic day and where might go from here? Yeah I could have another buzzing day at the Israeli parliament of course on your way here you pass through the protesters, you pass through the police barricades, navigate through them with your journalist card, with your reporter card, come into the building and yes obviously a lot of buzz and a lot of activity surrounding the vote and a lot of emotions. As to where things go from here a few points. First of all we will on one hand see more of the same, right? We will see more infighting within the coalition that was on clear display, literally on clear display because they were seeing it on live television from within the plenum in the hours leading up to the vote and of course more of the same in terms of those turbulent protests on the streets of course happening up and down this country even hundreds of yards just away from this building over the course of the afternoon and certainly into the evening and we'll obviously be keeping our eyes on those in the hours to come. But there is a new factor here and that's the Supreme Court itself. The Supreme Court of course is in a sense at the center of the storm, right? This idea about the bill of the reasonableness now law and the reasonableness standard is all about the Supreme Court in its role in Israeli society but in an odd way the Supreme Court itself was on the sidelines but that is about to change. There are already two petitions against this law in the Supreme Court asking the Supreme Court to overturn it. Another one by the way set to be filed tomorrow by the Israel Bar Association by the organization of the country's lawyers according to what the president of the Bar Association has told Israeli media. So the Supreme Court on its desk is going to have this full controversy and will the Supreme Court then overturn a law that is meant to take away the court's power? Because if you can imagine where this would lead we've been talking about it as a hypothetical over the course of the last seven months and it might be about to become an actual scenario to play out in the coming weeks and months. So again there is that new player into this drama with a potential way to change the results. Another thing for us to keep our eyes out on will the Supreme Court not give in its power and act in a kind of a clever way instead of using the reasonableness standard to overturn or to narrow government decisions or decisions by ministers maybe the court will find other ways to do it using other tools in its toolkits, other standards, other provisions. So that's another thing for us to look out for to see whether this becomes some kind of cat and mouse game but of course beyond the niceties and the intricacies of the proposal itself of course is the bigger picture Clevus we've been saying for months this is not just an argument about the balance of power between the judiciary and the legislature this has become the highest stakes battle of all right a battle for the balance of power in Israeli society writ large that's what we've seen on the streets and of course we're going to see that continue over the hot summer months. All right we certainly are an ultimate there in the Knesset thank you for that and we have in the studio Ambassador Daniello and the former Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister for Israeli former Israeli ambassador to the US and former member of the Knesset of the parliament and Mikhail Kleiner president of the Likud party supreme court also a former member of the Knesset for the Likud and Mikhail I guess I should start with you a victory today for the Likud in parliament but a victory for the country and a victory is there a price there and oh I believe it was a victory for the country in a way not because of the substance of the legislation but because of not giving in to ultimatums given by parts of the army because if this would have happened it would have been the end of Israeli democracy then we would have looked like regimes say in South America or somebody wants we are not in Europe we are in Asia but say well if this would have if not the legislation today and if the government would have given in so we would be entitled to be turned from Asia to Africa because then the army is running the country today they decide on this since the government's give in tomorrow other parts of the army maybe it wouldn't like decisions of another government so they also say we don't serve if the government will not give in and not fulfilling its majority and its legitimate right to legislate so this this unnecessary law was necessary yesterday today because of the opposition of the army and that's why it was necessary it was saving the country the fact that the government didn't give in saved Israeli democracy a victory for the country for democracy Danny no I beg to differ and I take a different opinion first of all it's not a victory it's a sad day because the people are split and I'm not sure that they are even split evenly it seems to me that in a public opinion poll those who are against this so-called reform outweigh it doesn't matter but you know I don't know you're right but the fact is that you see the people are torn apart you see the military torn apart and this is not a military coup a military coup is when the army surrounds the Knesset with tanks this is not the case no general was in it it's the people's army and whoever was on the streets were not active soldiers they were reservists most of them are volunteers so to say that this is like a military coup is a far stretch it's good maybe for argumentation no the pilots say we will not fight and we will leave the army but the pilots will damage the army if the government but the pilots are not in is a military coup but forgive me the pilots are volunteering you can force somebody to volunteer they feel that they have been betrayed by the government why on two two issues first of all it's not a democracy as they know it and secondly which is relates to every one of them is that supreme court so far has been the best defender of the pilots from the international court or the criminal court in Hague now they are exposed so they are feeling it yes they are exposed why we gave them illegal orders they will be exposed they will fulfill illegal orders is the government going to give them it's illegal order this is a propaganda of the left no no unfortunately to part of the population no it's which is neutral and to bonafida believes it this is not true no this is not the point the point is that israel is very much isolated i know i've been at the un i've been in washington i've been in many capitals we can give the most legal orders it doesn't matter if without the united nation in the u.s. vito it doesn't matter we can cry out you know the british the americans others can kill civilians israel is when they kill civilians they are just waiting you know the the automatic majority of the arabs so this is a different situation it's beside the point of the law if the if the order was legal or not we are at a disadvantage in the international community and this law is playing into the hands of our detractors and the americans are standing at all how can israel you know undermine its legal i would say defense i give you in a way but this notion was created by israelis who all the time said this is a obviously disagreement here but i want to ask you michelle where does it go from here but benjamin netanyahu the prime minister is expected to speak in the coming hour as is ben igance of the opposition national unity party reports that the prime minister will tell the opposite ask the opposition to come and rejoin talks but where does the prime minister the liqour go from here continue with these judicial reforms i will tell you more but you must you must realize and your corresponded oran elton man correctly pointed the pointed to this issue the supreme court of israel is one of the most supreme strongest supreme court in the world and it stays this way it has at least seven legal avenues to to and outlaw the laws of the side against or abolish laws that are against its strict law and it's a also reasonableness and and it's it's another i want to pick up this point in a minute i do want to jump to our correspondent who's out on the streets of jerusalem khamdas al-khut and khamdad we've seen protests we've never seen before going out on beggin highway the main highway in jerusalem and blocking that first time we've seen that happening today in jerusalem and police using a lot of force to try and remove these demonstrators using a lot of other riot dispersal mechanisms like water cannons and skunk water as well demonstrators have been telling us all day that the fight is just beginning which is interesting because it echoes a sentiment that the coalition is saying that they're only just beginning with their legislative overhaul today scenes in jerusalem unlike anything the country has seen before right after the bill was passed in the parliament it was projected here on the jumbo tron a live feed of the parliament demonstrators coming from all different roads coming and converging blocking the major street here behind me shouting shame after that demonstrators made their way to the major highway bang and we were able to follow them and where they completely stopped traffic dispersed themselves throughout both lanes of that major highway and look police were simply outnumbered with the sheer volume of demonstrators here tens of thousands coming from all over israel to make their voices heard about taking a stand for the fight against democracy now it's yet to be seen what's going to happen in the days and weeks to come okay i'm gonna interrupt you benny gantz is about to speak uh let's take a lesson the state of israel has lost the majority of the knesset who wants agreement was defeated by radical members of knesset who decided to change our identity card number who wants to lead us to a business of hate and to create rifts among us two days before the ninth of ab it seems that the known phrase that those who do not learn from history will be doomed to live with it again is more relevant than ever we're not going to let it happen anybody who thinks who won he won today will soon find out that this was a real mistake for everybody the direct responsible person to that is the prime minister he preferred the political needs of bengal and their whims of levin on instead of the security of israel and israeli society and democracy anybody who saw the minister of defense pleading with the minister of justice realizes how you need a responsible adult in the state of israel this is not the way to manage a country he failed and this government in in its entirety did as well we are facing a real immediate danger the continuation of this legislation appointment of political judges undermining the gatekeepers hundreds of thousands of patriots who are demonstrating around the country they are the force and the majority of the state of israel who wants a reform by agreement is our hope in this very harsh moment everything looks dark but the awakening and the civil standing up is the hope even in this very difficult hour i call upon my brothers who are serving and volunteering continue to guard our safety our security give us a strong country to be able to amend things and those who made the legislation i want you to listen to the other side to understand that we do not have another people and we must remain strong together no one wants to trample all over you but you don't shouldn't trample all over us this conflict will undermine the entire state of israel to all the citizens of israel secular and religions left and right the opposes opponents and the supporters don't give up because we are one people don't be dragged by the insiders by the radicals we cannot have the destruction of the third temple this is the responsible of all of us today more than ever we are here in order to struggle for our image and in continuation of common life in a democratic strong country i have been in battles and i can tell you today even if we lost the battle we will win the war we will win as one strong society not as one party or another all of us together we're going to take back israel to the track we don't have a mandate to despair this is the time to continue to struggle for our country and our joint future we will do everything possible in order to turn the wheel back and it's going to happen everything that happened here will be deleted from the book of law sooner or later questions the oppositions say that they will continue with the legislation what do you say about that and what about the prime minister i think that we are in a difficult day that compels a reevaluating of the situation and i suggest that we will look with the to the radicals to see if there's anything to talk about at all i want to ask you can it be that the point that we are today you gave too much chance to this government i gave a chance to the state of israel the demonstration is during what it does it's important the dialogue was supposed to enable the government to listen and to come to a solution but unfortunately they chose a radical path of radical people who do not represent the majority but the extremists and i hope that this changes okay so that was uh benign against the uh the opposition national unit party and of course also former defense minister and former chief of staff gentlemen reactions michael yeah first of all i wanted to before i said reasonably cement proportionality they are the biggest strongest tool supreme court has this proportionality and now when the appeals about this bill will come if a supreme court can use one tool to modify this legislation it will be proportionality because there should have been a compromise this law is accelerated because it was the basic suggestion of liquid everybody believes there will be a compromise they were very close but there is no compromise so it was legislated as is which is not the intention okay but let's move on let's move on because that's like gants was talking about you know i made a lot of slogans they didn't come with a operational proposal one should have asked him why don't you offer to join the government if you speak about the extreme and netanya extremists and netanyahu's dependence of the extremists so why don't you offer to replace them in the government which could solve the problem if israel is so important for you especially that the reasons not to join netanyahu's government are a little collapsing in the supreme in this in the district court in jerusalem all right i'll let Danny respond i will note that benign against did join a netanyahu let government it did not so forever we'll not join because netanyahu let that let them let Danny respond he said the country is important let Danny respond yeah but but his rational he has been you know bitten so he's why he has been wise and by experience he knows if he goes you know he there's no trust netanyahu contract with holes yeah but this time take better lawyers but he knows under netanyahu he will not have the power and netanyahu can manipulate everyone he does not want to do it but he spoke here as the next leader of israel because he's still talking about bringing the people together not trouncing you know not a victory of one camp over the other because we are one people let's work together and this will not pass now michel i want to ask you something maybe you should replace health some because maybe no but he you know with the you say that the the court supreme court has many tools like seven tools and the reasonableness is one of them so is it just because of reasonableness if it's so negligent why was it really worth worth it to bring the all the country on the verge of the abyss just because something which is not that important this is what people do not understand and this is why i think the liquid will pay for it in the ballots because the answer is that because last time when we tried to pass a real thing which is a committee to select judges there was a ultimatum of gallant a liquid gave in netanyahu brought reasonableness something which is almost in a consensus because it doesn't matter not this way and not that way hoping to get some victory which is insignificant but the demonstrators don't want legislation don't want to fight reasonableness or even the pointing of judges they want to bring down netanyahu well they worked for three years and they will continue and i want to just mention you should take note that benign specifically mentioned the selection of judges as maybe the major red line in which the opposition and certainly the protesters in the streets are going to object to even more so than this bill which is as both of you as i've even some people have said is a is a is a is a minor part we're going to get we're going to get back to that though i would do want to get to uh piaz takobach because the epicenter of protests during this whole time has been kaplan street in intersection in televiva was taken back this week briefly by pro-reform demonstrators but what is it seen there hundreds of thousands that love the country not only this demonstration that's why i mentioned that michael there was there was a pro-reform demonstration that attracted hundreds of thousands but piaz who is out there this evening well kelev there are really thousands of people out here this evening we're standing here at the intersection of kaplan road and beggin road next to the israeli shopping center this is the squatters has been basically renamed to democracy square because this was the location for also the protests that have been going on since january basically this is the location that has seen many many protests such as this one a really spontaneous protest that broke out right after the knesset voted this afternoon and we see still more and more people coming in we are also hearing that people are coming from drussel and leaving the protest there to come to the one here in televiva and the protest early on it split up in different groups going for example to the american embassy there is also a protest for women's rights elsewhere there's also a group that really tried to reach the ayalon highway that you can see here in that direction and people are still flocking there to really try to bridge the police barriers the police has set up earlier to really try to also create another feeling of disruption kelev the city has seen several days of disruption this one feels like another one that people are really trying to interfere in public order to get to the highway to block it also this street is block kaplan street is blocked as well we're really speaking about thousands who represent very different groups for example those who protest for the preservation of women's rights we're talking about reservists that we have seen but you know when you speak to protesters kelev there is a sentiment of yes this is a day where this protest movement experiences some kind of defeat as the legislation that this protest movement really protested against for weeks and for months went through in the israeli parliament but this is also giving them more motivation and more strength it seems like to really continue the protest and i spoke to one young guy said well this is the only option they have this is this is the only country you have so you do feel a lot of frustration also a lot of anger but there's really out of a lack of alternatives people come here to the street to once again show their presence show that they are standing united although they represent different political spectrums different political groups but they are united in the in the really in the wish and in the will to continue this protest movement and tell aviv this is really the birthplace of the protest movement against the plan judicial overall if you will kelev especially this square here the democracy square this is why it has been renamed we're standing next to the israeli center who also at least half of the shops inside the center have been closed off today in a in a strike to protest also against the plan judicial overall against this vote in the knesset and we still see people are coming in and this protest will be a big one tonight all right one correction p it's the american consulate in televiv of course the msc now in drusen thank you for that but i'm glad pia brought that up because gentlemen this is not just a domestic issue this has international diplomatic ramifications president joe biden has spoken out quite strongly on his concern over these judicial reforms some in issue in israel have taken have taken issue with biden speaking out of what they say is a domestic issue but it has impacted on us israel relations relations israel other countries and with the american certainly the american jewish community broad mr ambassador the former ambassador to the us we'll go to washington a little later in the show but that is a factor here sadly yes sadly yes and we have to distinguish here because you know the american approach was very nuanced i mean they're very upset with bibi netanyahu by the way netanyahu also promised the president that after this legislation with the reasonableness that reasonableness reasonableness yeah he will do everything now with a wide consensus but this is not what levine and rothman and all of them say this is one one thing one strike against him and the americans are waiting to see but the americans it's very important for them to show to the region that they have israel's back irrespective of netanyahu because israel is a very very strong ally of the united states a very important ally a dependable ally and they need israel for stability in the region if israel is perceived to be weakened that can encourage all these bad elements in the region from iran to let me just end we've seen and we saw the leaders from iran and his ballers speak out about the internal divisions it's kind of gloating over these internal divisions that we've seen in israel in the past few months just the other day in the iranian foreign ministry so this is why they went all out to really give a real good embrace to herdsaw to the president because the president represents the entire country not necessarily the government and this is also said because this is the first time the united states is distinguishing between the government and the people just like they do with dictatorial countries and regimes and this is why i think we have to be smarter and we have and bb has the overall responsibility and what did we see he was ready for a compromise many people were ready for a compromise also the the opposition but levine said no so what does it render begging about that what does it render netanyahu netanyahu now does not i'm okay i'm going to come back to you yes i know and i will okay i will come back to you let's just jump because we're talking about washington let's go to our senior u.s. correspondent mike wagon i'm in new york mike reactions there in the u.s. to today's vote a vote that certainly the biden white house did not want to see take place actually the reaction in my opinion was with rather mild based on what we've heard lately from the president the white house and the biden administration about how much they disdain the course that the israeli government is on vis-a-vis these judicial reforms the white house releasing a statement shortly after the vote today from the national security council spokesman john curbie saying it's unfortunate that the bill passed with the slimmest majority possible the white house believes that for major domestic changes democratic changes that take place you need to work for consensus and they're urging israeli leaders to work toward that consensus-based approach through political dialogue a statement later came out of biden's office itself from his spokesperson saying he has publicly and privately expressed his views on the matter that again it's unfortunate that the bill passed with the slimmest possible majority that he understands that there will be further dialogue and negotiations on upcoming bills and he supports president isaac hertzog's methods in trying to forge a compromise here going forward on these issues all right my wagon heart there in the york thank you for that michael i do want to let you finish your point and react to some of what danie just said in terms of the international dimensions here one one one sentence for biden and one sentence for guns is a mild direction of the united states is because biden has a big problem the issue this in this legislation today was the border of authorities between the supreme court and the parliament and i i believe that if i am ready to take a recipe from biden what where should the authority of the supreme court end and the in the parliament authority start and the recipe that biden will give us provided he gives us also for the united states will be accepted by us immediately because biden actually supports liqud's position when it comes to american supreme court so there's a problem now guns said something not exactly what you said in didn't say is a supreme court judges he doesn't want he said political judges he said he said political judges and nobody he knows that we are not going to appoint political judges we want to appoint some conservative good your best lawyers best judges in israel with conservative views and not 90 percent of the supreme court judges with liberal point of view liberal expression we doesn't represent the israeli public and what our offer is now it's not what was in the beginning in the beginning we did spoke of a majority for the government in the committee appointing judges when we are in power and then vice versa when we are in opposition now the offer on the table is from this moment to create a committee to select judges and they can be not politicians they can be professors also but it's a committee will be 50 50 divided between coalition and opposition also when liqud will be in the opposition in the future this is our proposal this is the only thing on the table and if they don't accept it it means that they want a liberal supreme court forever this will not be accepted by us the members of the coalition certainly have spoken differently than what than what you've just done you compromise is accepted by dudu and salem dudu and salem is okay okay i'm just going to say there are other members of the coalition that spoke there but i yes one point which is very important michael and this is what drives the americans crazy when bibine tanyao says well we are going to have the same system as you it's not the same way in the united states there is a firewall between the administration and the parliament here there is no firewall the government controls the parliament so now if the government will also control the supreme court it will be just one branch government and it's not at all like the united states is a liberal the judges most of them are liberal so they supposedly control also the supreme court it's the same here it's i just want to ask you you say this is an offer we don't know we expect prime minister netanyahu to speak in the coming uh half hour uh it's reported he's going to call for the talk of the for these talks it's not clear whether the opposition will join it it's certainly not a day unless there's a total freeze on legislation while the talks go on even after the kinesis reconfits but let me just ask you what do you think is going to happen if the coalition can't reach compromise on selecting judges and decides again to unilaterally push this is parliament what do you think the consequences of that with the question first for the parliament is going for recession of two and a half okay we appear as prime minister netanyahu i'm sorry to cool off moving picture i saw in the last 24 hours last night millions of israelis went to demonstrate against the reform and for the reform on the one side on the stairwell of the train station where the supporters on the other side the opponents these went up these went down everybody were holding flags and yelling and trying everybody was there with their heart and then in spite of the difference of opinions were very close one person gave a hand to another first one then another and then another one they shook hands not as enemies not as haters but as brothers this is the people of israel this is our spirit this is the place to which we have to strive always and especially these days today we performed a needed democratic stepping order to bring back a balance between the branches what we didn't have for 50 years we brought about the amendment to the reasonableness standard so the government can lead the policy according to the decision of the majority the electors will is not the end of democracy it's the essence of democracy because of the importance of that the coalition did everything it could in order to come to agreements with the oppositions and i want to tell you it's not self evidence in former cases where there was a real controversy the government didn't extend the hand to the others not in oslo a not in oslo b not in the disengagement and not in the gas reserves that were handed to the hezbollah but we we dealt with things differently we did agree to stop the legislation we stopped it to three consecutive months we agreed to changes in the original policy and unfortunately i'm saying no compromise of ours were ever accepted not even one even today in the plan in the midst of the voting till the last minute we tried to get your agreements but the other side refused and i remind you that until recently seniors in the oppositions they supported the change of the reasonableness standard they even were willing to cancel it but even if they didn't agree this definitely doesn't justify to disrupt the life and giving suffering to millions of citizens who can't get to the airport or to the hospitals blocking roads and and burning fires but nevertheless my friends in spite of everything we are going to continue to strive for agreements and dialogue we don't give up the chance to obtain real agreement and i'm telling you it's possible even in the next few days the coalition is going to address the oppositions in order to have a dialogue we're ready to discuss everything immediately and to do it during the recess of the knesset and if need be we are going to add some time until the end of november this is quite enough time to reach agreements on everything we do have agreements we all agree that we or that israel has to remain a strong democracy to maintain human rights for everybody not to become a halakhic state that the courts will continue to be independent and that no party can control it and i want to reiterate it's forbidden that any party will control the courts it's not going to happen in our shift citizens of israel we all have to agree on another thing the idf has to remain out of any political controversy we all know that the idf is leaning on the reservists but to call upon insubordination that jeopardizes the security of any citizens the government cannot give in to that and we're not going to give in to such insubordination i call upon you my brothers and sisters in the reservists leave the idf out of the political dispute we have one state one home one people on the eve of the night of ab we have to keep them together as much as possible and i tell the opposition you can continue to dispute you continue to have grifts but you can also do something else you can also come to agreements regarding the future let us get to agreements this is my call to you and i extend my hand to call for peace and mutual respect and last word to our enemies i know that you do not know what democracy is don't be so sure about this dispute we are going to stand shoulder to shoulder and we're going to fight against any threat to our dear country that was obviously prime minister benjamin atteniao reacting to the day's events let me get reactions from our two guests again the prime minister calling for compromise but making some other comments certainly that the opposition may take issue with michael your response to the prime minister i'm happy to say that he sounds very healthy and i'm also happy to say that he unlike previous speeches today sounds like a prime minister and he was actually speaking unifying words i know that some people will not listen to him and whatever he says and how great his speech will be they will have different reactions but he was actually spreading his hand and the returning to what we spoke before he gave a message you no part will take no part of the country should take control of the supreme court which comes back to the compromise i was speaking i believe it's reachable i believe in the public will be aware that liqud is not trying to take control of the supreme court but once equality in the supreme court most of the country will support his compromise and the lapid and the guns will follow suit i just want to ask to clarify for us the prime minister saying uh they it seemed to see saying they would not advance any legislation before the end of november which is actually after this beginning of the uh of the of the of the summer recess is that a deadline how did you is that a deadline that if we do not reach compromise by the end of november we're going to proceed along the unilateral on this on this negotiation blew up on on a not on on reasonableness they had they had an agreement almost the dispute was that a lapid and guns wanted that delay even for for negotiation for one and a half year and liqud was ready for half a year so now netanyahu said despite the fact the law was passed actually we give you this half year of time out in order to try and reach an adopted me in the months that have come since this is not a half year to the end of november but then you're a reaction so he was in hospital mathematics a little bit we all we wish the prime minister the best first of all i have and i want to agree with michael it's good to see the prime minister in good health and in the you know in a you know a very good form this is full ability absolutely no no we need it secondly i think he made a good speech the thing is you know is anyone believe it i think he lost a lot of credibility today because everybody and i'm just saying what the other side in some circles he never had no no but yeah but when they look at him today they say okay maybe you have the best intentions but you are not in control of the government because if bernie greer says you have to do it otherwise you have no government or levin says the same thing or smotridge he is not in control of his government and by the way if i go back to why the americans are not inviting netzanyahu to the white house yes because they say put your house in order we are not sure that you are in command and here again he can say whatever he wants but the proof is the taste is in the pudding and right now i am not sure that he can deliver on what he promises all right we did see those pictures uh uh and i uh oh and actually made reference to it earlier we did see the pictures of the defense minister you have garland seemingly to have an argument on the floor of the kineset uh prior to the vote with the justice minister yeah rive levina was reported garland was heard to say give me give me something uh uh and the defense minister was expressed a lot of reservations about moving forward on this uh though at the end of the day he he did support it but clearly there are steep divisions in the liqour about if i can say one more thing sure which i think is was the most important thing that netzanyahu said as the prime minister and i applaud him for that he said two our enemies don't misjudge don't miscalculate you don't know what democracy is if you think israel has been weakened and this is the time to attack you will find out that if there is a you know uh um let's say um eventuality of that everybody will come together and defeat anyone who's trying to hurt us and this was very important that he said at the end uh michel about uh dany's point whether prime minister netanyahu is in control of his coalition right now maybe even of his party with if you are rive levine is uh making demands on the prime minister which should be the other way around he is in control and i believe in a way he's in a concert with the rive levine and the rive levine is the most extreme act he can do is to resign if he's unhappy and if he's not allowed to go on with his changes his revolution uh but of course if the netanyahu would have had an option like he had in the past from the center it would have been different he he's in the hands of say he depends on on and bang viren smother it's americans in the past knew to exert a pressure on gallant before when there was a trump agreement so if america is really in if by then which is a politician is really interested interested to help us he could ask gallant and and and lapid to to try to find a way to join the government but he but he's a democrat he's a democrat and he doesn't like netanyahu okay i okay well let's open up the whole carnivore as we're looking on our screen to see it at cap and it looks like fighting is broken out between the protesters it looks like police are breaking up breaking it up to some degree well then we definitely see something going the police horses are coming in the prime minister reference i did see that picture he referenced the people in the train station in jerusalem the pro reform protesters going to televieve and the anti reform demonstrators coming to jerusalem shaking hands on the escalate unfortunately it looks like at caplan street emotions are running a little high speaking of each one going through the city of indeed right but let's speaking of which let's go to jerusalem and ham the salchut where they have those anti-reform demonstrators uh there and uh ham the what we're seeing some 10 scenes in caplan street right now in televieve what is the situation in jerusalem well the demonstrators have been gathering here all day now forming a kind of sit-in behind me in the thousands earlier today demonstrators blocked that main road in jerusalem beggin road it is one of the largest highways in israel that connects a lot of major cities to jerusalem so protesters actually when they heard the the decision that the government had made after the bill went through they all came to the streets from several different intersections congregated in one area and then made their way to that highway where they were able to infiltrate police block both sides of the road police using riot dispersal mechanisms like the skunk water cannons along with regular water cannons police melted on horseback and actually being quite violent with demonstrators who were trying to break in now some on one side of the aisle are saying that police are using too much force but some are saying that the police are not using enough force that there is a lot of order that needs to be restored because the demonstrators are blocking these roads but for the days and weeks to come demonstrators say this is only the beginning they're gonna ramp up the demos they're gonna ramp up how loud they're gonna be how disruptive they're saying that this bill was able to get through but that the government ultimately in their words will fail because they again in their words are destroying democracy and because this happened today a lot more from the Israeli public they believe will come out to protest and will further reach the ultimate point which is a new government that will swap the legislative overhaul totally off the table. Alright thank you for that Hamdi Salhura just again refer to the pictures we're seeing on screen that is the Kaplan intersection renamed democracy square but we're seeing what looks like some violence or fights breaking out presumably between pro reform demonstrators and anti-reform demonstrators we did see police drag away at least one man in handcuffs we see a police van there we're also getting reports of some of clashes between protesters by the LaGuardia intersection that's not that that's actually the next intersection down the road apparently some of the demonstrators at the LaGuardia intersection or tried to block the highway we see a fire being set out on the street now blocking so situation there getting a little tense this is not by the way opposition not just limited to the streets of course the history labor union has declared national labor federation has declared that it's going to take a work action and basically put the country on notice of a possible general strike if the judicial reform should advance and they said there will be some labor actions in the coming days yet to be determined medical professionals the are planning to go on a work action beginning this evening until tomorrow the health ministry though apparently has appealed to the labor court to prevent that strike from the medical association which is supposed to start this evening until tomorrow okay let's go to what pia steco bar pia we're seeing pictures disturbing there what's going on it looks like it's getting really heated at that kaplan intersection quite we saw those water cannons is that to prevent is that being used on the i alone highway to prevent demonstrators going down or is it being used to disperse the crowds there at the kaplan intersection i say okay okay so that that water cannon was being used for a fire uh but we did see earlier what water cannons uh uh being used in jerusalem outside the kineset building uh pia pass will go back to you in a few minutes gentlemen looking at those pictures it's hard to believe that starting tomorrow the opposition is going to be able to go even on a from a political side to go into talks with the government to try to reach some kind of compromise going forward here what they are aiming is that just to just grind the country into a hole just to stand still and if the history roots the major union lay national labor federations yes if they will join the strike at some point or or another the government will not be able to govern and uh this is not sustainable and this is where i think there is responsibility on the prime minister to bring things into normalcy in one way or another and not just you know ahead you know a thousand miles a minute into a brick wall first of all one must mention that yesterday there was a hundred thousand people demonstrated in the same place in the what they call the democratic democracy square nobody was trying to block roads nobody was setting fires in the street they were just expressing the views maybe it's also a point for people to think and see the difference between those two republics how they act and how they do okay now i don't have to say i see demonstrations by the right because the image because the image is vice versa there's intelligence there's a nobody no one is disputed but certainly no one is assuming there's a division there's a division in the country it's not the people against the government the the population is divided on this issue certainly and second issue is the road look is the road is not what it was in the past the stadoot is consists mainly of the strong biggest trade union but most of them are headed by the liquid for example at last time the biggest effect of the stadoot was done by the airport workers who closed the airport for two hours this time i was personally told by the president of the workers of the airport that's the only reason he will close in the future the airport will be in support of the reform which he wholeheartedly supports so don't be afraid of the stadoot and or don't count on the stadoot fair enough okay gentlemen we are coming to the to the end of this broadcast i just want to end as we look at those pictures uh and unfortunately uh while it is democracy in action we're also seeing some clashes there where is it going to go from here dan did you see any way for this situation to calm down uh in the coming months and then he sort of lied at at the end of the tunnel for some kind of reasonable compromise on this well i would say one possible or plausible way is for the supreme court to just nicks the legislation this is still a chance i don't know if they will do it or not but i have a suspicion that if they do that bb will not be too sad about it because then he has it the cake and eats it too because he can go to ben gear and smart rich and levine says what do you want for me i tried go to them and if they do it the government will have to accept what they will have we'll have to be an override clause which i am against but if this will happen i will be in favor of an override clause but you will not pass either but but how do you see the council is okay but but but but other than that how do you see playing this out over the summer is there a chance for a compromise i understand on the issues but politically is there a chance i believe one thing i i i um 100 agree with mr alone the um the the responsibility of the government now it's levine and netanyahu and everyone is to try and make inroads to the other part of the people and find a way to make compromise not only when you go up the train or down the train but also when you sit around the table in the knesset but the negotiation must be not in back rooms not in the president home with all due respect it must be in the knesset in the knesset in the committees there should be a real start a real talk to try to find the compromise and there is a compromise because as i said everything you can put aside the moment you find the formula that in the supreme court there will be no winners and no losers by the way if they have equality and important judgment for the next 10 years there will be any way a liberal majority because there is a big majority today all right gentlemen let's hope let's see how the stress of the summer progresses and hopefully there will be things will cool cool down both literally and figuratively perhaps uh ambassador daniel alone michael cliner we're going to leave you look at these live pictures that is the kaplan intersection thousands perhaps 10 certainly tens of thousands by now demonstrators protesting out there at kaplan intersection what some have called israel's democracy square uh after the government today passed the first step of its uh judicial reforms plan we'll have to see how it goes uh forward i24 news will continue