 This hangout is on live this hangout on air is live not on live on live would be that service that let you game over the internet Hey, we're gonna be talking food today. Michael Wolf is here. How's it going? Doing great. Thanks for having me guys I'm so I hope we don't get Veronica Gerd Too late for that. I can't give it to me. I already got it. I already got it No, I have no shame in talking about my various issues You never have been one to you don't I don't feel like you overshare either, but you're not I Try not to be gross. Yeah, but you're also like no, it's fine. It's true It's just a thing that happens. Yeah, I think a lot of people suffer from these kinds of things so they can relate Yeah, and it helps destigmatize it. Oh TV is my girlfriend says he sleeps on his side and it works. Okay, the angle With the angle I'll maybe I'll try They'll try propping myself up on more pillows on the side, but I'll probably get a neck kink like I did last time What happened to your last neck King? Oh, I so I got deposed We'll toss it in a move. Yeah, you know Well, Dega took it. I am hungry now. I'm hungry. Well, let's have a show where we talk a lot about food Let's eat on the show. Oh, I'd be amazing if it's the theme Yeah, I don't know what I'm gonna do for lunch. I Had Salad that I made and some smoked salmon for lunch. Oh, it sounds nice quite tasty You could eat my lunch that I I don't like salmon. I don't like saying I don't really actually like fish You just want the protein, right? I'm really I don't like salmon like smoked salmon I'm really more of a shrimp Italian Okay thing you're a gamber Obstetarian a crustacean Terian crustacean Terian you're a shellfish Terian. Yeah, all the bottom for your bottom feeder Yeah My Jewish ancestors would not be amused Unfortunately Rob locks. It's so good Yeah All right. Well, here we go. Let's go. Yeah, click on. Are you ready? I'm ready Okay This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, July 11th, 2016 I'm Tom Mary joining me today as she does most Tuesdays Veronica Belmont host of sword and laser is with us How's it going Veronica? Good, but it's Monday, Tom. You silly Tuesday. You sure did. I got the right person at least I'm not Patrick Beja. No, you're not Patrick Beja. It's not Tuesday. That will happen tomorrow. It is Monday Why did I say Tuesday? It's not even written. I can't blame anyone else that would that just came out of my own head But joining us this lovely Tuesday is Michael Wolf host of the smart kitchen show. I bet you didn't even know it was Tuesday Oh, I'm do I'm disoriented from all the Pokemon go I played this weekend. Maybe you are too Did you did you play a bunch? Do you have with my son? You was trying to show me what's going on. All right Well, we've got a lot to talk about with Pokemon go. So let's get right into the top stories Analytics company similar web estimates Pokemon Go is installed on more US Android devices than Tinder and is approaching Twitter If it hasn't passed it already in daily active users Morgan Stanley's me and Nagasaki told CNBC that Pokemon Go is estimated to have made between 3.9 and 4.9 million dollars on its first day alone So people are not only playing it they're making it at purchases game is out in Australia, New Zealand and the United States Imagine what's gonna happen when it gets to Japan and other places around the world There is some concern being expressed about the level of permissions that Pokemon Go asks you for If you log in using your Google account the permissions are similar to Ingress, which is also made by Niantic Labs But the application gets full permissions in some cases and I've verified that it did this for me as well I think Veronica did it for you too, right? Has full permissions now though. I don't remember it asking me for those permissions I remember it asked me once but I removed it and re-added it today and it didn't ask me this time The application when it has full permission can see and modify nearly all the information in your Google account That would mean Google Docs that would mean email But it cannot change your password delete your account or pay with Google Wallet on your behalf It does mean it gets access to location and camera and Mike as well What's interesting is the people who are saying they have installed it with minimum permissions say it still works Because an Android you can say no, I don't want to give it permission It just logs you back out and then you have to log in again and it works fine. So To me it seems like this is just a sloppy integration and one of my problems with Pokemon Go has been every time I want to go try it. I have to log in again It never remembers my log in when I do a majority of the time It is the servers aren't available and even if the server is available then I have to walk three blocks and I'm like forget it Yeah, I mean I'm having a ton. I am I'm pretty appalled by by the level of quality of the app It's it's not a good app I mean, I think I can pretty much come out there and objectively say it This I think you know, this is gonna be a real test of the the two week test If you will to see if people continue playing after a two week period or not I think right now it's really running on the the power of the Pokemon on name More than anything else the app is really fun to use But it's it's ability to work and function properly is very upsetting I mean, I've had the same log in issues you have it logs me out probably four out of five times It loses its connection to the database. It freezes. It crashed my phone completely yesterday I had to restart my phone entirely There's been a lot of issues with that and they have a lot of work to do And I don't know if it's just because of the sheer number the influx of people that they've had over the past week That's causing a lot of these issues, but it's it's not great I mean, it's making me play less because of the uptime of the app just working in general I'll be walking down the street and it'll just freeze and I'll be like mid Pokemon And I can't do anything about it And then I lose the Pokemon and that's that's gonna be a problem for a lot of people My my son's been playing pretty much non-stop since and I agree with you like I don't know if it's server issues or just bad design Probably maybe a combination of both, but if the kids are the test the kids love it and I he you know He hasn't played with Pokemon for years And he I think kids have a maybe a higher tolerance for glitchy apps Especially free apps and he's been we were we I took him to his grandparents today He caught five Pokemon on the way over there. It's really fun I mean, I I've been loving it if it worked a hundred percent of the time I would be obsession level, you know red at this point I I'm really enjoying the concept of it and I love that it's getting people to to get up and walk around But Pokemon zombies are a thing and they are Obvious when you're walking down the street near a popular poke stop And it's it's pretty fascinating to watch this kind of thing totally sweep the nation right now Yeah, and like any of these things if you are not having the problems logging in which can happen just by randomness You're gonna think it's great. I don't understand why people are upset about it Or if you're on the other end of that bell curve like I am and it seems to happen every time you try to log in Then you're gonna think it's awful. They'll probably work that stuff out though, and it obviously is popular I mean businesses are saying hey, we're a poke stop come on in for free wi-fi and have a coffee other Businesses are saying this is for paying customers only no Pokemon Pokemon for paying customers. Yeah You know fallon, missouri. There was a report that police are watching potential burglaries Start to be organized around people who aren't paying attention to pokemon collectors You hear a lot of people there was that darwin australia We mentioned last week saying hey look what both ways before you're crossing the street People are starting to complain. Hey, if there's you know blind people around you keep your eyes out They're they're they're not going to expect you to be stopping and moving around pokemon style There's all kinds of things being discussed about this because so many people are using it. Yeah It seems like it's tapping into the early interest or was around geocaching among the young kids It seems a little bit like uh The excitement around early four square days when there's obviously some geolocation But uh, this is exactly. I'm sorry. I that is exactly what I said yesterday I'm like this is like the bastard child of swarm four square and geocaching It's just like the combination of those two with augmented reality It seems like the first maybe mass market augmented reality adoption like in in a weekend Yeah, well, it's ingress But with a massively popular ip attached to it So that everyone born in the 80s and afterwards has this nostalgia Around it uh saying. Oh my gosh. It's pokemon. I grew up on pokemon And my dream was always to be able to actually go out in the world and catch pokemon and how I can Well, I don't know if you heard the story but a clefairy is holding court at the west borough baptist church Jim and it is the biggest most powerful clefairy and it is bright pink and it is owning that spot So, you know, some good can come of it Uh, that's that's amazing. I it is interesting to see all of these points I I wonder how much they expected this to happen where these interest points get swarmed Uh by so many people it's it's a little bit of the spam effect. You don't need that many percentage of the population playing it to have a huge percentage uptick in the number of people visiting any one particular point It's that they all have to go to that one particular point I've been meeting people in public. I've been chatting with strangers I've been like hanging out with people who never would have given me the time of day Or we just would have been two ships passing in the night And I think it's it's incredible And yeah, there's going to be some some dark things that come from it in terms of people getting Their phones ripped off or or coordinated robbery attempts around pokey stops But at the same time, I think a lot of good of it will come well good good will come of it as well Yeah, it changes social behavior. So other social behaviors are going to adapt to it. That is that should not be much of a surprise All right Well, moving on away from the pokemons just for a little bit a consumer reports has tested the samsung galaxy s7 Active's water resistance the s7 is rated at ip68 Meaning it should survive 30 minutes of submersion and up to five feet of water in a tank of water pressurized To 2.12 pounds the same as five feet One phone's touchscreen died and showed green lines and had bubbles infiltrate the cameras A second phone screen turned on and off every few seconds and had water in the camera lenses and sim card slot The phones would turn on after drying out, but the screens could not be read The odd thing is that the regular s7 and s7 edge passed consumer reports tests Yeah, the active is the one uh, that's supposed to be more rugged and more durable And it's the one not holding up as well at least in these particular tests. They tried too hard. Maybe I don't know. I don't know uh, and I wonder how many people really It it is one of those things we're like, look if you're telling me it's ip68 they should all work at ip68 So even if this isn't a representative sample Two of the phones one of them certainly should have should have held up. So that's problematic I don't know how many people were really Going to rely on this working at up to five feet of water if you're going to promote it It should work. I mean if that's going to be one of your features It should should work as as as expected. I mean it's like why say you have that ability if you don't actually have that ability Yeah, if you're going to have that certification it should live up to it Although Samsung says they haven't had a lot of consumer complaints. So It isn't in practice causing a problem, but that doesn't change the principle Twitter has reached a deal with cbs to stream the networks coverage of the u.s democrat and republican conventions The republican national convention will take place in cleveland july 18th through the 21st Democrats convene in philadelphia july 25th through the 28th Twitter also sent a cease and desist to a site called post ghost That was archiving deleted tweets by public figures twitter's api requires You to show tweets as they are shown on twitter and that includes respecting deletion If you remember there is a service called poly troops that archives politicians deleted tweets They were originally cut off at the api and had to negotiate an agreement with twitter to say like hey It's in the public interest for politicians tweets to be archived. Please let us do this and now they do post ghost Did not have any relationship with twitter and was doing more than just politicians. They were doing celebrities as well Yeah, yeah, I can definitely see why that would be a slightly different use case But I still believe that politicians tweets should be should be properly archived. I think it's important for for decision-making purposes But moving on again zd nets mary joe foley notes microsoft has updated its skype bot developer platform Bots can now take part in group conversations And the bots can also use visual image cards carousel cards and receipt cards Skype is also working with bing to enable natural language understanding through bing entity and intent detection Other microsoft bot framework updates this month includes skype calling slack buttons and facebook bot features The framework is still in preview, but expected to be generally available by the end of calendar 2016 More bots man more the more bots the better Yeah, there's all sorts of there was all sorts of big news this past week You know if you if you want to stay up to date Well, I mean you should subscribe to my newsletter. That was not going to be a Hey, why not it's a do it to the story and certainly it's organic But venture b is doing unbelievable bot coverage and and I probably get about 90 of my bot news over there They're just killing it, but zd net also written up. So that's great to hear Did venture b do the deep dive on nadella's uh betting microsoft's future on ai? I think so. Yeah Yeah, they have like three people working pretty regularly on bot stuff and they're they're crushing it Yeah, peter wells was talking about that piece yesterday, uh on the day six episode The significance of this is you know is not so much What they did but the continuing development the 30 000 plus developers that are making bots on the skype platform And and so the potential of what will eventually come out of there I I don't know if either one of you know of anything I haven't heard of anything particularly on the skype bot. That's really catching people's attention But it's it's still pretty early in the game Yeah, still waiting for that that killer bot that kind of kicks everything forward in a big way the the big hit as it were Yeah, uh facebook has clarified its existing policy on live video after video of the aftermath of the shooting death Of philando castile in minnesota july 7th the video disappeared if you remember shortly Afterward and then was restored with regard to violent or graphic images facebook says quote Context and degree are everything as an example facebook said a video meant to raise awareness Or perhaps find a shooter would be allowed whereas a video mocking a victim or celebrating a shooting would not Facebook says the team is on call at all times and will respond to even one complaint A video can either be left up after a complaint It can be removed after a complaint or left up with a warning about the graphic nature of the content It's up to that team to decide and it's it's fair to note here This is not a new policy for facebook. This is facebook clarifying This is our existing policy and this is how we intend to implement it Do we know? I mean, I guess we just don't really know what happened there yet in terms of who made that decision And you know, I think it must have just been a very quick decision made by someone who didn't necessarily Know what was going on why it disappeared briefly. Yeah. Yeah I've heard people say it may have been the police Seizing the phone afterwards and pulling it down, but I don't know that there's any confirmation on that either Okay, was that policy in place tom? Before they went to live because lives fairly new there, right? So yeah, I think this policy went into a place with live with live Okay, uh, but I don't have Facebook's you know confirmation on that but I know it it has existed for a while and so that that's my guess kind of And and and again, this is this is facebook clarifying saying, okay, this is what we're supposed to do in these situations They're calling it a glitch that it disappeared. So that just kind of leaves it vague But like you said Veronica, it could have been somebody who who misinterpreted the situation or overreacted But this is the kind of video that according to their existing policy should be left up It's good to know and you know, this is all it's all a learning process People are figuring this stuff out in real time as we go So it's to be expected that some some flubs will happen for sure W. Scott is one in the chat room says he saw a warning for graphic content on a facebook video before live launch So it may even pre-exist that Bloomberg reports russian president vladimir putin pledged support for hyperloop development during talks with hyperloop one co-founder shirvin prishavar Uh, pishavar at a forum in st. petersburg last month Uh presidential spokesperson dmitry peskov told bloomberg the president quote promise state backing for implementing it Russian freight tycoon. Oh boy ziavuden magomedov. Thank you. Good job And the state's russian direct investment fund are investors in hyperloop one russia is involved in study of several projects Including one in china and several around moscow I butchered his name in daily tech headlines earlier today, so Yeah, it is interesting to see Okay, you know hyperloop was sketched out by elan musk and la to san francisco is used as the example of course because silicon valley But it does seem that russia is very interested in this very interested in developing it and because of its Rocky negotiations and sanctions being put upon it by the west is turning to china as an investment partner It would be interesting if all of these plans ended up that a chinese hyperloop Became the first to go into existence with russian funding behind it. Is this going to be like not the moon race It's going to be the hyperloop race hyperloop race. Yeah Uh, I I mean not quite as dramatic as getting off the planet Uh, but pretty interesting technology to see if it could be made happen to happen and overall probably more lucrative Well, and we've gone. I don't know. I'm just sort of realizing this as we're talking about it and and michael I don't know how much you've covered this but the conversation has certainly changed from will this ever happen? Are these companies for real to what deals are they talking to people about? And when they're going to meet with the leaders of the biggest Countries in the world like to make these deals like this isn't just nothing. This is like a pretty big f in deal and this may actually Cause the leaders in the west to say hey well, maybe we should pay attention if they're out talking to russia and china So it could also be just a shrew negotiating Yeah, it it certainly wouldn't uh be a bad move on hyperloop one's point case to say like hey, you know We've got lots of interest if anybody else wants to get in on this Uh, because they hyperloop one as I like to point out regularly There's the one that's testing in california the one testing in nevada hyperloop one is the one testing in nevada north of las vegas Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com We had stories today from teaglass 1976 motang steve iow Steve iow had a lot of them today actually loki roberts in there obituella condol say you could be in there too Or your votes can help us decide what to put in our shows go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com That's a look at the top stories Let's talk a little bit about The smart home and particularly about kitchens Michael I was reading some of the links you said over from smartkitchensummit.com And the one that really caught me was retailers saying, you know what we really like smart kitchen appliances Because it turns out people actually buy them and keep them rather than returning them. Yeah Yeah, I mean I I've I follow smart home a lot and followed the retail story and it's largely been an abysmal story you've seen guys like Staples launch around smart home platforms and and products and they basically shut that down You've seen companies like wink come and go So there's been a lot of turbulence at retail, but it seems as if and I went and talked to a few retailers wim Sonoma beta best buy they all like this idea of Connected kitchen products and the reason is a couple things a brings For example Millennials into the kitchen And also it these are products that people are willing to buy and keep even if they aren't using as much They're willing to stick them in the shelf in the in the drawers and try them out later So the return rates tend to be lower And companies like target are jumping all in they they're rolling out a novice sous vide machines to 1800 stores nationwide So it's an interesting category I want the sous vide machine You haven't you haven't cooked sous vide yet. No, I mean why I have I've had it before but I've never had my own sous vide machine So that's my kids love my steak sandwiches like I'm a hero with the steak sandwiches on there Well, it's sous vide for people who don't know is a slower cooking in a lower temperature But it's a bath of water And I guess one of the things Michael that you need to pay attention to a sous vide Is that temperature and make sure that it's consistent and and apps and connected devices certainly help you do that Without having to stand there and look over it Yeah, it's part of this broader movement towards what people are calling precision cooking This idea of sous vide it's been a cooking technique. So that's been in professional kitchens for 20 30 years But back in the early 2000s guys like Nathan Mirvold The former cto microsoft really started to pay attention. There's talk about it in foodie Forms like egullet and what happened is he he died deep on it. He eventually published this book called modernist cuisine But by then all the foodies have kind of gotten on this sous vide train Now what's interesting though? Everyone who was in that first movement around sous vide Is looking at what's next and there's guys looking at you know connected ovens What i'm calling guided cooking systems where you Coordinate a you know, maybe a bluetooth connected pan with an induction heating surface And you have like an app to control the entire experience. There's a lot of innovation going on around cooking systems right now Yeah, tell us a little boy Let's talk a little more about guided cooking because I think that's where it gets really interesting I I think most people think of smart kitchen appliances and they're like All right, so I can control the blender with an app or I can control the the temperature of the pan with an app So what how does that actually help me? It seems like these can actually save you steps Yeah, I mean, I think there's been some like smart home been some like let's add wi-fi to this See what happens type of products like the wemo crock pot And I mean they'll tell you that you know that didn't do great Do really well But you know, I was kind of convinced when I went to the house where shown chicago in march And I walked into the the heston booth heston q which is part of my or big Corporate cookware company and they put me in front of their house chef, which is his guy's name is philip tessier He helped the u.s. When the silver in what basically the olympics of cooking The boku door this guy is like the michael one of the michael jordan's are cooking So he goes cook fish for me and so I was like super nervous It's like playing basketball in front of michael jordan But it was an amazing experience where I cooked with their guided cooking system It had a connected pan and an app that did what I call visual guidance or what they they're kind of calling visual guidance Where you basically see the you know how it's cooked and you kind of see this level of done as you want And then you move on to the next step It's a really coordinated system of sensors cooking service an app that just makes you cook better And if you're starting to cook or if you don't cook frequently That's one of the biggest frustrations is you know reading a recipe and it says cook until done Well, if I knew when it was done, I wouldn't need the rest What does that mean? Yeah, I mean it could be this idea of using sensors. Um, you know, there are There's actually a lot of research going into uh, I guess image recognition There's a company that called in it that is working with whirlpool There's also the june oven I think you've probably talked about before that has a camera in it and it can recognize the level of cook It also can you know pre-program and almost put the oven on autopilot So we're getting out of this guy to cooking a little bit and looking at talking about ovens But all these sensors and and and sensor rays cameras are going into cooking devices And helping you cook along the way and that's that's a really interesting development as well Well, and it's interesting that you mentioned in it because They seem to be an example of a company that you wouldn't think of as a smart kitchen company But they are like the microsoft azure of this they're providing a platform play Yeah, it's a platform play and I it's funny. I follow them on social media And I saw their two founders take a took a photo with the the CEO of google I thought that's interesting like my an odds maker and me thought well Maybe the acquisition likelihood of them by google went up like 25 percent because they actually are kind of the like a google play Where they have this huge database of food And and and machine they're actually programming machines. They're actually putting all the recipes in machine language So it actually puts an oven on autopilot to cook things So if if google ever made like a kitchen play that would be like their play I love it And I feel like we're kind of at the stage now too where we're getting a lot of different Platforms or or different systems and we're having this problem all over with connected home type stuff But there doesn't really feel like there's a standard in place right now Yeah, how you bridge these experiences from buying to prep to storage to cook like that Kind of needs connective tissue And we're probably still early in this game. So I think what's doing well now are these point products like a sous vide cooking machine Or or stuff like that where it's just like one part of the process But I think you're right Veronica connecting all these things together Making them work well, I think and that's like a smart home, right? We're kind of looking for that as well in the smart home Yeah, I can see a pathway where if retailers are saying well, we're going to stock more start kitchen items because we don't get the returns on them That's great. That means there's more smart kitchen items out there being being sold to the consumer consumers are more likely to try them out More of them are available in the house And that is the tipping point for a smart home platform to be able to take off is enough people have them That you can get more people building on the platform. How close do you think we are to that? I think it's it's You know, I think it's going to take some time. I think, you know, uh Blue guys like bluetooth and Wi-Fi. They're excited about this category Yeah, I think that smart home guys are actually looking at this categories Maybe another way to kind of bring people into the into the smart home fold But I'm excited about with this idea of technology in the kitchen It's enabling new ways to do things. I'm really excited because I back pico brew on Kickstarter And like my wife said no way you're going to create this home brew mess in my house But they're actually making like a almost like a coffee maker size appliance to do Homebrewing so I'm super excited. They're about to ship and so like whether it's home brew or Uh, you know doing new ways of cooking There's like all sorts of new ways and new types of food that I can maybe approach through technology that were largely unapproachable before I absolutely want this vision where Uh, you've got you've got some platform that has the data of the recipes You have uh some system whether it's a refrigerator or some other system that knows what ingredients I have And then it can say here are the recipes you can make today or here's a few things you can pick up at the store That will order for you on amazon or whatever delivered and then all you have to do is sit down and say, okay Yeah, I want to make you know, uh this this fish cassoulet and It tells you what just what to do like all right pull the fish out and and put it in the chopper And then take it out of the chopper and put it in the pan or maybe you don't even have to do that You know, maybe it'll get robotic, but it just really eases you along through all the procedures Yeah, I think you know, I think uh, Veronica you mentioned pack prika You know, I've used yumly all these like cooking your recipe and discovery apps They're all really excited about connecting to the hardware to where they kind of help can guide the experience But also you talk tom about shopping like so this almost idea of anticipatory Delivery of food to your house, you know, I've done blue apron I like this idea. I think you back to balla, but this idea of like the hardware You do your meal planning for the week for the day Maybe that day or the next day your food deliver your food is delivered with all the ingredients to make it I can see that happening. I just think we're it's going to take a while to get there Like and I think that's an expensive infrastructure to build Um, I I do want to talk about the juicero because I know bronca hates the idea It's like this controversial idea of the seven hundred dollar cold pressed juicer Yeah people either love the idea or hate it. Well, first of all, I think I think people are a little too obsessed with the idea of juicing in general I think just just from a health standpoint and this is just my own personal opinion So don't don't take this as fact But you know, I think juicing takes a lot of the good stuff like the fiber out of the vegetables We're supposed to be eating and there's a lot of sugar left behind so that's I juice occasionally We have a juicer. We have the omega juicer the the wire cutter recommended like juicer that people buy But I I'm unhappy with juicero because the juice packets are still expensive And they're DRM'd so like you can only if you get a juicero, you can only use the juicero packets for the rest of your lifespan of using this product and I don't know that kind of stuff. I'm not a curing fan. I'm not a not a I'm not that kind of product fan typically Um So I I like the idea of what they're doing and trying to make people have access to to easy juice drinking But I the product itself. I think is is is just problematic. What's a fascinating story because he's this guy, you know They raised 110 million dollars to build out an entire delivery system And they actually had to create a a plant to put the stuff in curd pods or whatever the pods are It's a fascinating story. You're right about the the DRM the way they explain that is There's only a five or six days shelf life on these on these pods and for them if it goes bad Uh, they don't want you they'll actually stop you from actually pressing that juice. Yeah That makes sense a certain degree, but also probably a little bit of protecting their investment So the the clones don't come in. Yeah. Yeah, it's a happy side effect Of managing spoilage that it protects their investment, right? They probably don't mind too much at all But I I think that's the biggest problem with this is Those kinds of systems are processing food. It's a different way Right, but it's but I I love the idea of our earlier scenario simply because If what you're saying could happen where it knows what ingredients you need to make your meal for the next day Those ingredients can be super fresh and delivered right to your door Rather than sitting in a warehouse and having to be managed for three to five days. The juice tastes pretty good I'm not trying to be a family But I agree with you. I mean there is a level of processing there I do like this idea of moving all the kind of the processing To the end points in the home embracing fresh food fresh food and I think that's part of this movement I think technology enables that over time But there are there is like a cost to time And I probably wouldn't put the time into juicing If unless someone actually made it real easy for me So this is something if it was cheaper I would consider the juicing the the juicing Yeah, juicing is not easy and it's kind of a messy process But what I love about having the omega juicer is that I can juice anything in my fridge anything That's like, you know, not that appealing looking anymore necessarily like the juice will still be fine So like it's a good way of kind of clearing out the fridge of your csa box from that week or or your leftover groceries Apple's got a few spots on it. Just yeah, just juice it juice it. It's like put a bird on it. Just juice it Absolutely, uh, well awesome. I I think we've solved the smart kitchen now It's all it's all done. Yeah, excellent. Uh, you can and we'll talk about this a little more But uh, you can check out smart kitchen summit.com if you want to find some of michael's Works on this and he writes for forbs and and elsewhere as well. Let's get to our pick of the day Uh, I somebody asked if we could check in on iroeero dot com That is the mesh networking wi-fi access point system. There's another one called luma that's out there as well There's several of these now. Uh, google has its own project as well But what they do is they try to improve the coverage, uh, in by Manipulating how the system the signal works and in iroe's case you get a pack of three is the most Advantages and then you use them to cover your house I have two levels in my house. So I had to put one downstairs So it was close enough to the to the main router But I could hook it up and then that one connects upstairs to an office And then that one connects to another one on the other side of the house and kind of provides blanket coverage On the other side None of them are line of sight that is one of the things they recommended is make them line of sight I'm like too many doors too many wells. Sorry can't make them line of sight But they do work and the one thing I would say originally They provided me better coverage of the house than my previous wi-fi access point did Because they were able to cover more area Even if they went offline a little more often And I would have to like kind of I'd go to the app and do a speed test and that that would seem to like Push them into reconnecting or I might have to turn off the wi-fi on my laptop and turn it back on Because it wasn't handling the handoff between the different points very well But lately I have not had to do that at all and that is the other Advantage to systems like luma or in this case iroe is that they learn over time What works and what doesn't in your particular geography and have have some software that adapts to that Is amazing to me that that sonos was doing mesh and doing it so well for so long And people are just now figuring out this idea of mesh wi-fi in the home I can I mean i'm glad iroe And luma jumped on board this I expect the large router makers to also get into these systems The secure secure fi almond router They just want certain almond three and that you're going to come out with a three pack That is essentially a mesh networking three pack. So It's good to hear your feedback I've played with a lot of repeaters that don't work very well. Yeah, so i'm excited to try these mesh networks repeaters never worked for me I just ended up having two access points because that worked better than repeaters veronica you're using the aroe though What's your experience? Yeah, aside from a little bit of a setup issues. Everything's been working really well I I can report no issues at the time of recording That's great. So and it's been good right from the beginning. Were you able to get a line of sight though? I wonder if that helped Not in every room Um, yeah, not in every room. Okay as far as I know Ryan set it up, but yeah, I think so just one in here right now I want Ryan to do a support call on it. It's watching right now. Yeah, don't let's not ever do that again Well, there you go folks That's one of my picks send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com And you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com picks slash picks Veronica, would you kick us off with the first message of the day? Oh, sure. Yes Let's see here message of the day. This one comes from carl He says hi carl from sunny stock home here chiming in about the discussion on e-voting in episode 2805 my biggest problem with e-voting is the right to vote for what you want without someone else knowing With e-voting you could have an oppressive husband for example that stands behind you and pressure you to vote for the right party I don't know how you could get around that problem. Thanks for the great show That's a that's a good point. I guess if you're voting at home, you you don't have the protection of being in your own voting booth Somewhere else It's like it feels on the surface as being more private because you're in your own home But potentially you're actually dealing with less privacy because your family members Or whoever else are around you at that time and I vote by mail I've ever since california made that an option that you could just do I have automatically voted by mail and I love that because I love the privacy of being home I sit there with my laptop. I research anything. I don't know. I feel like a more informed voter But I hadn't considered that aspect of it. Thankfully my wife does not loom over me until Here to vote for nor do I her either But yeah, if you suddenly made it where everyone was e-voting at home That could be an issue. So that that might be an argument to say. Well, let's let's still provide polling places for people Yeah, having the internet adoption is still not 100. So what what is the what do they say for people without connectivity? Yeah, you're gonna have to provide an option for them in any case right because connectivity isn't 100 and it won't be for quite a long time Judy wrote in and said I'm senior to senior geek gary by almost a decade and I also read most of my news online I read the local paper I'm sorry read the local paper get alerts from the la times use google alerts to pull in any news about relatives or special interest topics Like forest fires fukushima the kindle fire browser has a reader view for most web pages So it's far easier to read online than print news with its smudgy ink Audio books include a subscription to an audio version of the new york time. So I often to listen to that I also get a variety of podcasts from the bbc and late night live from australia Like a lot of americans who like to see the u.s as others see us I've also set up a twitter list to get info from various sources Uh, like maddow sanders and trump robert reisch han's rustling, etc I don't know how many senior geeks are out here, but on thinking about it I wonder if seniors in living facilities have guaranteed internet access rights Being condemned to daytime tv seems like cruel and unusual punishment I'll bet nobody thinks to add that to the medicare or medicaid for patients Hmm I I definitely have some firsthand thoughts on this because my mom lives in assisted living situation Did not want to go through the trouble she would have had to do to get internet It would have either had to been dial up or it would have been very costly To try to run in because there was no internet provided by the place So we finally got her a phone and now she uses an iphone loves it uses it for the internet like crazy In fact, she has an eight gigabyte a month plan Because she doesn't have wi-fi where she is so she uses all of her internet over the phone Good for her Well, yeah good for her but also bad for the bottom line because i'm paying for her So, yeah, I think there needs to be more more attention paid to like how do we how do we encourage internet to be rolled out to these kinds of places The no answers. Okay fine. I love I love technology And applying that to eldercare and kind of Older people as they get home. Yeah, I look at the smart home And there's some really interesting stuff going on Around using smart home technology to enable people to stay in their their homes longer. So i'm actually excited about Technology for for older folks for things like things like that Well, that is it for this episode of daily tech news show uh veronica belmont Thank you as always anything to let folks know about you can subscribe to my newsletter. It's uh, subscribe to my newsletter It's a pinned to my twitter account at the very top at twitter.com slash veronica And you're covering bots on the newsletter, correct? Yes, it is a but I should have clarified that it is a bot newsletter Yeah, get get the latest on bots man. It's a good. It's good stuff Michael wolf of the many things you've got going on. What do you want to tell folks about? Well, uh, we have a podcast about the future of the kitchen called the smart kitchen show You can find it on itunes or at smart kitchen summit where we we're actually having an event in october I'm having guys like neat the mere old uh charlie kindle from amazon And uh, yeah, so if you want to hear about uh, that stuff I'm talking to sam casso used to be the obama personal chef This week this week you can hear that podcast so check it out smart kitchen summit com slash show and of course smart kitchen summit if you want to find out more about that Just go to smart kitchen summit com Thanks to everybody who supports the show We couldn't do it without you if you're listening without supporting the show yet We ask you to maybe reconsider that even if it's just leaving us a review on itunes But if you can spare a dollar a month you can go to daily tech news show comm slash support and Maybe spend something in our store Sign up to give us something on paypal or uh, if you want to help us on an ongoing basis patreon.com slash dts Allows you to pledge at different levels some of them give you business cards So you can show people you're a co-executive producer We give you all kinds of early insight information about what the show is doing and at our top analyst level You get access to a slack full of other listeners who are sharing their expertise in there That's patreon.com slash dts a reminder that every saturday mike range sums up the week tech news weeks tech news in a blog post It's written at daily tech news show dot com and it's really funny It makes me laugh with his different perspective on the stuff we've talked about in honor of a year of doing it though He is now uh taking his book from 2015 where he collected all of his columns from 2015 and selling it at 99 cents So go to amazon.com look for the internet is like a snowblower or we'll have a link in the show notes at daily tech news show dot com Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can give us call 51259 daily caps the show live monday through friday for 30 p.m Eastern at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv I visit our website daily tech news show dot com more pokemon discussions coming tomorrow with patrick bezia and lamar wilson talk to you there Go as part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program That was a fun show. Thanks you guys. Yeah. Yeah, thanks The last time i was on we had a guy drawing a picture of our podcast. Oh, yeah, he's on fridays. That's when that was fun Yeah It's a good time good episode. Hey, thanks roger everyone uh No one brought up the replicators from star trek. Oh, you know what? I was about to mention that I was even going to give you a shout out to say you were mentioned in that before and then I got distracted Uh, but uh, let's go into the more important task of titles Now the one I like the most is actually turning a number five is d r m digital recipe management It's followed by chatting with strangers number one now Internet of wings Things um Pokemon for paying customers only hot tub food machine That's kind of gross nice. Give me too many guided cooks And we played out the too many cooks. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it is approval on hyperloop Millennials in the kitchen Wait, I have I have a short question. So michael are your kids in grade school or? My kids are uh, my my son's going into ninth grade my daughter's going into seventh So I'm right in the middle of like my hair my hair is graying. Um, but yeah, they're not good Oh, no, do they still teach home ec? In school, you know, I don't I don't think so Um, that's where it's kind of where I learned how to cook You know what my kids do and this is like why mix like they love tasty like They find recipes on tasty. They cook. They're like my son's cooking two three meals dinners a night for us Wow a week. No, no He loves it two dinners a night It works kids so fast, but they're so good But I like it because he's kind of a computer like he loves a place called duty You know, he loves video games like with the kitchen. You're physically making things Yeah, you're becoming kind of a maker in a way, right? So that's really cool Does he stream on twitch because they have all the cooking now They do don't they? Yeah. No, he doesn't I've been telling him I actually do his video games on twitch, but he hasn't he could do both Would you guys prefer drinkable millennium copyright act? Sorry not to Go back to the titles I'm actually good with digital recipe management. I think that's okay. Cool. Although I do like the drinkable shout out to that That's a good one too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah honorable mention Because it's one of the weird things like when I was in high school. I had a my english class with this One of my classmates and she did not know how to cook and I was explaining to her how to make an omelette And she tried it like three times My dad told me never to go to the kitchen again I don't even know if they have shop anymore. I went to school and they had like like shop You went in the dude like the dude like with a bunch of motors around soft class, right? We didn't have in high school. We didn't have woodshot the last shop class No, actually, no, I take that back We had A form of wood shop where they were basically building a like a little house or a cabin out by the football field And we had auto auto shop auto shop, but all that is gone now. It's all gone. I mean I grew up in kind of a Rural place with a bunch of guys with Big fast cars. So like auto shop was right pop or a bunch of mullets Our shop classes. I remember was combined. So there was metal shop auto shop wood shop all in one Class and and you would you progress through levels freshman sophomore junior, but I'm old enough to remember They we had a typing class. Did you guys have? Yeah, I had I had a wood wood shop class And how much how much wood could uh And I had we had we had um babysitting class. Oh, that's great. Really? Child rearing class. Yeah, wait a minute. So in your high That was high school. Did you guys have a nursery or daycare? We had a daycare. Yeah I mentioned that to someone's like my high school had a daycare for all the Team moms like what school? It was a big public school for me. Yeah, it wasn't a daycare for the teen moms It was a daycare for adults in the area who wanted to bring their kids to daycare Oh, no ours ours was specifically for the teen mothers. Yeah, that makes sense too Uh, my high school had two a little over 2000 students. That's a big school. Yeah, mine had like 500 so They didn't have my graduating class was 500. We had the 900 We had 300 Wow We were one of the four with there's buyer Downey there is uh When I there was davis I did uh davis high and then modesto four we had four high schools now. They had fifth when I left joe hanson Boy, they spent a lot of money on that one. Yeah, we had one high school of four three towns How much you grow up? Greenville, Illinois. Okay So pocahontas and sereno Would feed into our high school But mulberry grove didn't want to be part when they consolidated the high schools in the 60s Uh, so mulberry grove had their own high school that keysport went into Veronica, where'd you grow up? Uh west hardford connecticut? Yeah, I've been out here in sf for 12 years It feels like a very long time now But yeah, we had typing uh, michael and I remember when after I graduated and before my brother got into school They changed it to keyboarding. Yeah, so they were still teaching you the the typing skill, but it was all on computers I mean I'm older than you. I'm like in my mid 40s. So and I want you guys are but like we had that But we also had machine like assembly language. We were actually learning basic And assembly language coding. Yeah, I thought was cool. We had a room full of trash 80s Yeah, the trash 80s with a tape the tape decks. Yeah Yeah, but they didn't all have tape decks so Our our typing class I'm only a few years younger than you michael My typing class was either take typing or computers and that was a that was a class So you either took one the other if you want to do anything more advanced you'd have to go to the jc But you could get a high school graduation credits You would you basic they would transfer over so you just I took chemistry there because I hated my chemistry teacher I snuck into my junior high Office and found the number to their modem and I went home and tried to dial into my my apple 2 plus And I actually got in but I couldn't break into I was trying to actually find like the grades Never did though someone I knew did that It's because everyone saw fairs bueller. Yeah. No, so we saw war games. Yeah That was yeah fair that fairs bueller stay off wasn't it fairs bueller? He changes grade in there Well, is this is matthew braddock is the common link between both but I wanted to be matthew braddock in war games and not fairs bueller Well war games is interesting because those machines were old because you could see he pulls out an eight inch floppy when he war dials All those numbers war dials All right No, I'm just laughing why Wait, you didn't host a you didn't host a a bbs I did I did host a bbs in my bedroom that's awesome My home my home phone line and I could only use when my parents went to sleep. Did you ever princess fun? No I'm curious about your bbs like did it have a theme or is it just like a town like the one for stanford connecticut? No, it was just a bbs at my my boyfriend in high school and I hosted and you could come and play mods on mods That was it about how many people would be on it for I think at the most we had like four or five For mud that I remember That's enough logged in uh, oh you said enough. It just seems we didn't have a lot of friends That's what bbs playing most roger Sorry I didn't host a bbs either I did micro league baseball on my Commodore 64 We would play computer baseball leagues all summer. Did you do a draft? Our friends would do it We'd hold a draft. Oh, yeah, we do earl weaver Baseball it started with a draft and I wrote a program in Commodore basic That would take all of the stats from the back of the baseball cards that we drafted off of and create an outcome That would say well this team beat this team. That's cool And then when micro league baseball came around then we would draft within the program and the box score stack compiler disc Let us create our own teams That was the name my first band by the way Box score stack compiler disc. Yeah, they were great. They used to open for uh, 1541 didn't they? I'm reading all the Oh, so I guess westboro baptist church has fired back against the clifery with a pokeball Let's see what happened. Did they actually like try to Like dethrone it. I'm sure something hates pokeballs or something Let's see. Let's see It's unclear on whether or not. Okay hold on Breaking news. Is this happening as we speak? Yeah, this isn't clear whether or not the clifery has remained It wasn't all powerful. Apparently it's combat combat power was pretty low Oh, they've taken to social media Sign of the end times and jesus christ soon returning And this big picture of a cliff area. Yeah. Yeah Everything real or virtual enables proud sin in america. That's a sign of doom hashtag pokemon go Yes, yeah, see they know Yeah, they they just want they're very savvy people for for who they are Yeah, so but what do you do Because there's I read a story and I didn't get a chance to kind of evaluate how How valid it was but there was a guy who lived in a converted church Who was saying because it used to be a church it was marked as a landmark And all these people were coming into his front yard To catch pokeballs and he's like, what do we do about this? Like it's he's like, it's fine But it's a lot of people and it's all day and I don't really like yeah There's I mean there's a gym. There's a gym in front of just a house Like down the block for me and like that can't be I was standing in front of their house And I was like this is weird They want I mean a good if they were good as developers They would have put a like a complaint mechanism and stop making my house You know a gym and then that would just go with just something there's got to be something like that because I mean, I imagine that the the initial rush that we're experiencing right now will fade Over time hopefully. Yeah at a certain point. You may want to say like, you know, and I really don't want people ever Can I opt out of this? Yeah But it feels like you remember the the early days of the we Um, and you know, I remember the rubik's cube Like it feels like that could be one of these things we talk about in 20 years. Do you remember pokemon go pokemon go? Yeah, totally Do you remember uh, what was it crystal pepsi? What was the pepsi that was clear bringing crystal pepsi back? Oh, they are. Yeah Just don't bring new coke back I you know, I didn't realize they switched back For the longest time like out to the old recipe. Oh, I did. I love original coke Now I just like mexican coke like the stuff in the glass bottles that they sell casco Yeah, but they're gonna start using corn syrup in that too No, why why because it's cheaper in Mexico But they're going to make versions with sugar in it to export specifically to the united states That's interesting because the mexican like people from Mexico hate the taste of corn syrup. That's why they make it. So why would they That's weird. They finally Climatize them to it because of other brands or something. I guess. I don't know. I mean sugar is expensive compared to corn syrup Yeah, so apparently crystal pepsi hit the shelves again July 7th in canada and is coming august 8th in the u.s How come canonly gets everything first? Yeah, right? Said no one ever. Yeah, they get saline dion first brine adams brine adams well, it's I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of hockey players Can you tell how old I am that I went to brine adams and not just in beaver as a cultural reference? Yeah, that was that was good It was summer 69 if I remember anyone know, uh, um What's that canadian band gordon downy? Um, oh tragically hit tragically hit. That's the quintessential canada band right there All right, well that is thanks it for us. Yeah, thanks again, michael is great having you on come back soon Yeah, definitely. Thanks guys. Have a good one. You too. Bye. Take care. See y'all tomorrow. All right. Thanks y'all. Bye