 Rwy'n cais i fylinech yn yr hyn mae'r pwysig o gallwn meddiyniaeth social sydd yn gwneud bod ni'n gwaith ni'n dod bwysig Qiudonau ac mae'r hyn yn bethau i ddim yn sylfaen ffawr o'r byd a dyna очерed a chyfnodd o gydag eich bod wedi bod hi'n gweld ffawr. Rwy'n cais i gymryd o Parrys rydych yn cael gwybod, mae rwy'n cael ei angen o siarad a rydyn ni'n yn gallu gael eu cyfnodd. Byddwch yn oed yn gwneud yn gyfrifiad cyfreiddau. Ac rydyn ni neud i'n ffasashedig ac yn aelod. Gwentaeth eich gorfod o'r ymddangos, neu rydyn ni'n gwneud i'n gyn lyfio'r ddechrau. Ond yna fywch ar hyn yn meddyl â'r nowau, mae er byddwn i'n meddygl yn fawr, mae'n mynd i ffasadedig, mae'n gwseith i ddechrau gwahanol, mae'n ffasadedig rydyn ni eithaf a rydych chi'n ei gwy Whether. Mae'n oed yn gweinio'r gwahanol i'r ffewn. Mae angen i'r ddechrau ar ôl i'r awl, ddim i gynllunio'r hyn, eu ddweud i'r ddechrau, ddim i ddim i ddim i ddim i ddimio, ddim i ddim i ddimio'r hyn, i ddim i ddimio o'r ddechrau a phart hon! Mae'r ddechu'r gwrthoedd a ddim yn wahanol yn ddiogel. Nu'n cwm gau ei ddim yn ddim! Ond ar y pob, fynd yn bryd. Ond wedyn fyddwch yn gweithio'n gwybod. Dwi'n gwybod wedi'n bwysig fyddwch todd yr hyn? ac oedd y telfyrdd, ond fe fyddo wneud hwnnw, ac yna hefyd yn ni'r sefydlu telfyrdd. Ac yna hefyd ddim yn ni'r sefydli'r bod eich gweithio. Ac mae'r sefydli'r sefydli'r i chi gwahanol. A gaut Fullorth, nid ydy'r teimlo yn ni'r sefydlu. Ac yna hefyd yn ni'r sefydli, gofyn, gan o'n gallu gweithio, mae roedd yn ni'n sefydli'r wneud hefyd. Byddwn ni'n sefydli'r hefyd. Mae'n gallu – ac mae roedd yn ni'n sefydlu'r hefyd. I gynnydd stylus i fod yn bwysig ac maen nhw'n edrych o'r peth. Mae'n 1 miliwn perthynu i'w meddwl. Felly mae'n cael ei hynny. Rwy'n gwneud o amser yn gwneud, rwy'n gwneud o'r wneud o'i rhywbeth i'r gweithio'r odd yma, mae'n cael ei ffordd pethau i gael eu bod yn gallu chef y lle yma i'r ffordd rydyn ni. Mae'n enwed â'n gweithioexc yn y diolch i roi gyda'r cefnod am ddyn nhw, ydy'r ystod a dyna i ddweud ar yr un o'ch chi'n ei wneud? Fy mwynwyr a gweithio'r ffordd. Yn yr hyn gwasanaeth, yn yr hyn gyffredin. Mae hyn yn fwy oedd i'r llog o'r hyffredin. Dwi'n cael ei ddechrau dyna i'r cyflodau ar y dynpoint ac yna? Felly rwy'n cael ei roi'r chemo. Rydyn ni'n gweithi'n gweithio, sydd wedi bod yn cael ei ddylu fforddrwydd. Yn yr hyn, ar hyn, mae hefyd ulygu hefyd. Ben, mae'n rhaid, y dywedyn ar gyfer Ben Davidson, wrthod yw fel arfer. Thank you. Thanks for coming on. No problem. 28 ysbryd, ond yn sy'n i'n ffigur y gwaith sy'n mynd. Josh Taylor, dw i'n mynd, Balladol Sonders, Tyson Fury, Meganames. I've just come in there and we've seen Josh so it's out of the way to Josh. How are you first of all? Yeah, I'm all good. Thank you. Can it make? We spoke earlier, but I feel as if you've been in the boxing game for years and years and years. You won your first world title with 24 years old? wasn't done my first World title fight which was a defence of a World title at 24, but even before then I'd worked with Billy Joe for quite a while. Did you? Yeah, and I've worked with some of the names there, what I'm known for being a head coach of but I've actually helped and assisted quite a few other big name fighters as well like behind the scene. Some track record for being only 28, and you must have clearly get these guys trust to be working with them, just shows you're the kind of character you are. I'll just go back to the start for my guest brother. O'r bwysigrwch, gyntafais gwlad dros unig, a Gwlad wedi'i gweithio, ac mae'n gweithio cwlad o'r ddechrau. Rwm yn gwneud o'r gwasanaeth gyda'r hwn. Onol, mae'r gwybod wedi gweld yn gobyn o'r mewn. Mae'n no fuddfa gwnaeth dda yw ddiolod a wnaeth ychydig yn gwirio. A'n autos alive a'r gweithio'n rhoi. A'n ddim yn gwneud hynna, fel y gall yn gweld yn cael ddechrau, roedd iawn maen i chael'r llwyddiol, ac sydd wedi gweithio. ond iddo yn gwneud, mae erbyn gyda'r unrhyw hyn sy'n gondol sydd wedi bod yn ysgol rhai, yw'r unrhyw yma yn rhaid iddo, elid yn gondol sydd wedi dylod am y gondol yn gondol. Dim dwi'n gynchau fathau ar y dweud i wneud. Fyfl fath! Rhaid i chi, ond tydd yn gweithio'r bobl yn y cyfnod aethau i'w gwirlo'i fellydu fydd yn gARD tomato sy'n gwybod, mewn gwirlo'i newid wediny yn gweithio'r dythön, Felly, wrth gwrs, y gallwn ymddangos cyffwil yn gwneud am gweld a'r bwysig. Mae'r gwahod fywch yn gweithio'r cyfrannu hefyd, am dda i'r pwyllfa yn gweithio'r cyfrannu, ac wrth gwrs, mae'n gwneud ymwneud��세요 i'r lleifio'r lleif. Mae'r lleifio'r lleifio'r lleifio'r leifio'r lleifio'r lleifio? Mae'n gwneud mewn gweld gwahodau 9, My brittle was a little bit older, he took it quite not so well. You know he sort of went through his own troubles from that, brothers I just think being a little bit younger, you don't fully understand what's going on, so you know we sort of both went our own different ways but he got found himself back on track really. What came after Tygodón was a drinkin taking drugs? Felly yw fel gwybod, rwy'n gobeithio'r pannag unigau sydd eich hunig felly mae gwaith yn yw rywun sgwrt Ac nid oedd yma pob ydyn nhw'n gweithio ychydig eich hunig. Fe'n gweithio fyddwyl roi ie weld yma'r gweithio'r gweithio? Fe'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio. Ac ydw'n gweithio'n gweithio'r gweithio, diwyliad yma, yw ddigon o'r gweithio yn gweithio arall, dwi'n gweithio sydd hefyrnydd, It's definitely helped me almost go through things before my time or before I should have, so I've always felt like I've been a little bit more mature than the average person in my age. How old was the years between you and your brother? Four years difference. What age again? I think I was nine, so he would've been 13 something like that. a gynnwys y gwelwch yn cyfael o'r drwg yw Ierrwy a'r mwyaf o'r adeg, yn gwelwch mwyaf ar unaach? Yn gwrth dillan ar bobl, ond yn y bwdysbeth lle'r adeg. Gallwn nid yw yn gwybod? Nid yw yn gwybod i'r adeg. Mae'r adeg yn digwydd i'r wedi'u hoffi... mae'n gwybod fawr i... mae'n ddiwyll â'r tro. Dyna'r ddweud, mae no fydd ddigonol iawn. Mae'r adeg yn ei wneud, a'r adeg oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd... Llywodraeth hynny. Dyna ydi'r cwysledig nhw'n syniad, dwi sydd y gallu newydd iawn a dim yn orfod yn ail, dwi ddim yn orfod yn orfod, ac yna dwi wedi'u bawb i'w ddal dron. Dw i ddim yn fyddennydd chi'n gael rhyngorol? Dyna dwi'n dechrau, bwysig sy'n cyfyrdd ddim yn gyd-dysgu, byddwn i'n gael cyfyrdd ff으로ll ac efallai hefyd. ond hafwc yn y gym hugging, a nhw y gallwn eithaf, a blwyddyn nhw'n gael y celfynydau neu'r edrych. Ychydig i'n meddwl hi'n ngheil, ac mae'r r��ig, mae'n meddwl hefyd yn y 9-5, mae'n 24-7. Rydyn ni eich gweld arall panerhyf ymgyrch, mae oeddwn ni'n adroddi'r cyetryn o hynny. Yn i eich gweithio yma? Yn i, yna eich 24-7. Roedd unig, ac yn ddarparod neu dweud, ac mae rydyn ni'n weithio hefyd. Ac yn rhoi'r du diddlo i chwefnoddau, Fy fan i gael'r ynnig, i ddwell, i'r unrhyw unrhyw o gweiniadau. Dwi'n cael ei gymryd i chi, dwi'n cael ei hunad i chi. Dwi'n cael eich bod, a nhw'n cael ei hunad i chi'n ddweudio. Rydw i chi'n ei cynnig o gweinio ddim yn cael hwy認為b oherwydd nesaf? Yn hoffi'n ei wneud, ac mae'n ansiwch i'r butau, Mae'n ddweud angen i sy'n meddwl y peth i'w rydych chi'n dweud. Dwi'n dweud chi'n dduch chi hefyd yn fawr o'r bwst? Wrth gwrs, mae'r dda wedi ddweud yn amlwg y trafynau a'r ydw i. Dwi'n dweud â'r arbennig yn dda i eisiau pa yn ymddi? Dwi'n ddweud i greu ar hyn, fel y peth o'r blaen, mae'r ddweud yn fwy o'r arbennig. Rwy'n ddigon i chi'n ddweud, nad oedd eich peth yma a chi'n dweud i chi'n ddweud. ti erioedd wedi cyflwyno, y hyn ar gyfer'i gwybod y gallu dyn nhw, ddyn nhw'n gobeithio ni'n gwybod, ddyn nhw'n gwybod'i gwybod a'r cyfeithio gwybod y byddai fel byd yn hyn o'r rwynt. Felly, yn gyrhaf, rydyn ni'n ddyn nhw'n gyrch i bobl yn gwneud am gyfrifennu. Roeddwn yn ei wneud, llawer i'r byd, bobl yn rydyn ni'n rydyn ni, ychydig ac yn ni. Wrth gwrs, sy'n gydig fel feddwl yn Yn Aelwedd. Coeddwch, rydw i wedi bod yn gwneud i'w rymeg. Rydw i'n cael ei ddechu i gael y gymryd, ond wedi gweld wnaeth y cwrdd, mae'r hyn o'r ddag am ysgrifennu, ac yn ymdweud i'r siwr. Ond rydw i'n gweithio... Rydw i'n credu i'r gymryd i'r Chynyddiad, yn y gymryd i'r Gymryd i'r Chynyddiad, i'r Borellau. Rydw i'n cefnol i'r Borellau. Fa ydych chi'n gwybod i'r diogel i'r rhaglau'r sefydlio'r gweith Askol, a gyndedig i'r diogel i'r sefydlio'r gweith gael agllunio gyda gweithio'r wyth COVID-19. Po ffór gwlad yn yngylchedd gyda'r gweithle, a'r diogel i'r bywys cwpwy Fenydol, ei fnithio sydd yn gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio, ei dweud gweld i'r cyfrannu ei fod yn y gallu. Pwy o'ch ddwy'r ddwy'r itig? Pan dweud y byddai'r ddweud, ond mae'n fnwysgrifio'n gwahodd, ond mae'n ddwy'r tactol. Ond wedi'i i gael i'r ddod, mae'n mynd i'n rhan o'r ysgrifennu. Yn ymgyrch i'ch bod yn gweithio'r ddysgu a'n gweithio'n ddysgu'n gwybod rhan o'r ddod. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n ddysgu i'r ddod. Mae'n gweithio gwaith ymateb yn ffordd o'r gael ymddangos. Mae'n gweithio gweithio gwaith. Mae nhw'n fawr hynny ymddych chi'n gwneud hynny, mae'n cael ei gael ei ddweud o'r llihau. Felly efallai ymddych chi'n gwneud hynny, oherwydd dyna'r eich sefyllfa. Mae'n cael ei ddweud o'r llihau o'r llihau. Mae'n cael ei ddweud o'r llihau i chi, ac mae'n ddysgu ychydig ar ychydig. y hwn yn gwirionedd gyda'r gwybod yllun â i'r ystod fel tÙp, fel yna sydd ei ddefnyddio. Felly, ond peiddo'n gallu mynd fkerdol iawn, ond mae'r cyfrifeddau sydd sydd yn iawn i'r bhwrdd hi'n gwirionedd. Mae'n eich gweld ei chi'n gwirionedd. Rwyf weithio y gallwn gwirionedd yn uchgar iawn. Fynnod oherwydd mae'r cyf Calledanol trwy'r cyfrifeddau. Fynig yw'r cyfrifeddau ychydig sydd fel yna yma. Nid ydych chi'n gweithio i'r cyfrifedd yna? Nw ddim, mae'n gwneud yn ffordd темoedd wedi mynd i'r gael, sydd yn edrych i'r woldaeth, ond rwy'n dweud hi'n gweithio'r ystafell. Roedd i'r wneud y bigiddai i gyd bwysig, rwy'n gwybod, rwy'n gweithio'r eich gweithio. Roedd gylio, y pwynyddio, mae'n modd yn ymddych wedi'n byw, ac mae i'n mynd i ddiwylau gyda'r pwn bwysig, a'r wath i'r hawdd o'r mawr o bobl. a 1, 2, left hook, y right up cart, left hook to the body. Every box can throw every shot in the book. So clearly that's not what separates the good from the bad is it. It's the stuff that happens in between the punches that makes the difference, I believe. Like what? Like... It sounds absolutely mental but by doing certain things you can determine when your opponent punches. In certain areas you can determine what hand, probably, more realistically, Glwun y tro! Rwy'n iawn i ychydigion ar y cwestiwn, rwy'n iawn i'w cwestiwn, a le wnaethcro chi'n mynd i ddweud y tro i ddweud hynny sy'n gyffredinwyr neu prosiwyr i ddweud. Gen i ddweud y tuenos, yw ddiwedd yn ychydigion. Dwi'n cael ei wneud yn cwmpas o'i amser i ddim yn ddweud hynny a'i wneud ei gydag i ddim yn ddweud hwn i ddweud. O'r gweithio arall i ddweud y tro i'r cwmpas. Ikr o'n 50 o 50. Diolch i chi'n fwy ffwrdd fel y dyfodol? Rwy'n iawn i'r ffyrdd... Rwy'n iawn i? Dwi'n ddim un a dyfodol. E'n ddiolch? Yn ddim. Ac e'n gwasanaeth am bod ni wedi gwylio. Dyfodol. Beth yna un i ddechrau diolch ddiolch? Beth ynaar yn y gwaith, wedi bod yn eholedig, ac rwy'n oedd e' chlasnedd. Mae'n gwasanaethau yn y dyfodol i fynd i'w Beidlie Jo i ym Shans Yourm, yn y peth yn y Beidlie Jo i ym James the Gow. ac mae'n gweithio i hynny. Yn cwrdd hynny, ac â'r gwlad, bod rhai beth o'r introduced i hynny. Mae'r coi am tryrdio Ynened i'r он, a... Mae'r coi? Mae'r bobl yn fighi? Mae'r bobl yn fighi, a ein bod yna'r bwysig o ran yn ddigonio. Damn, yna fod yn gweithio ddwy i'r mwyaf i ddech chi'ch gweld eichדdiad. Mae'n gweithio ar gyfer y cwrdd, ychydig wrth i ddod. Ychydig ar gyfer y bobl yn gwneud i'r hoffau. Yna'r cyfrifwyr, o bob amser yn ddindebol. Ac rydyn ni i chi'n meddwl i'r cymryd o'r dda, ond Byrch yw Ddod, ond Byrch haf o beth sydd wedi am ychydig y pethau. Rydyn ni chi'n meddwl i'r lat, i chi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r llwyme, ond y cymryd unrhyw yma yw yn ymgeu golygu o'r ddwyllgor a'r ddwyllgor o rhai sydd yn ei ddwyllgor, am i chi'n gweld gan deimlo, ac mae'n dweud dyma i wneud. Mae'n addresses Prydysgol, Ym wych, fe gael ei wneud ein bod mwylo'r cyllidion cwestiynau cysylltiadau a brydio i'r Olympiad. Mae'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion gyda'r cyllidion. Sut yn ymddir y boxer iawn? Felly, mae'n gopro'r Unlenol y Llywodraeth i gael ymddir? Ym mwyn llawer, mae'n oed yn ymddir yr un o'r boxer am y rhaid. Ym nhw ymddir ymddir yn un o'r bobl ysgwys.田ol. Felly dyaf oedd hefyd yn gweithio'r morbyl roedd yn du, a phobl yw'r hofawr ar hyn o'r ffagaf. Felly wnaeth ydych chi'n rhan o'n ffagaf, ac dyfodol hefyd y bydd gweithio'n rhan o'ch hfawr. Dyma'r cyfarfod oherwydd i safon peth oherwydd dim, roedd yn cyfyrdd y f Lindbyddau o'r holliant, yn gweithio'r hwyl dorfodol, ac yn gweithio'r holliant, mae'n dfwrdd. Felly, rodaimi, mae'n gwneud canbol eich rhan o 150 dechonga. Have he got the best damage of records? And do you care for nothing, this unbelievable? I was a lot of feats. And I think that can be a hindrance in my opinion. But I also think that's so easy for coaches and again going back to this Colin Reid coach. You're still friends with this guy? Do you know what, I've tried to touch base with him a few times. I would love to sit down, have a conversation with him again. Say that you stole his methods! I haven't seen it for years, yeah. And he, I remember him getting everyone around and going, yw'r un rhyslun fel mewn amddangos gyng� ym Senedd ynglyn wedi bod yn lle briforol mae defnydd yn gyrweithiol. Mae rhywbeth ynian iawn. Rydyn ni'n fan i這種 bod yw'r holl mightwch sydd wedi bod yr oedd yn gweithio'r holl o'r holl. ac mae'n rhaid i'w ddaeth am ddiolch doedd gafydd hefyd. Fy'n ff newlywyd i ddechrau o ffordd o licu i gael, ychydig i ddysgu i ddysgu i ddysgu eu ddysgu. Mae'n teimlo'n llor o ddrae'r aedlaeth. Felly mae'n cerddorol'i rhoi ffotoedd mewn sipio ac mae'n rhaglen i ffordd o ddysgu'r bobli gyda'r bofi gyda'r bofi gyda arbed. Mae'n ddysgu'r bofio. Llywodraeth yw o'r hi wneud i wedi mynd o'n holl. Rwy'n roi'rицpai ar palette gwellid eich d Almost discriminadolr Rwy'n roi'r continuaid eich dwertyr Al naddi'r gweithu o'r bobl i'r trai Eunsbarne Roeddio'n pob i fynd seydig Oel ddod o'r bobl a croes o'r trinds Wrth fy bone amendment Tynodd y gallan ddacht, diwrnod ben i snapid Nid i'r bobl i'r bobl i siwr fathuru'n bwynt Awesome Wel, Os ddan ni'n ddal I know I can do something with him. It doesn't matter what his skillset is before. Has any one of us surprised you in terms of, you're not thinking, don't think they've got it, but then kept on? I've had the opposite where I thought he could do something, not me coaching them, but seeing them in the gym and thinking he could do something and it not happening. I do bore that down to coaching, you know, and the level of coaching they're getting. What is the just start then with getting into coaching? I was probably about 17, 18, something like that. Has fucking young Ben, has a coach he's that young ever? No, probably not really. So what can you do when you're coaching, so when you're coaching now, 28, so when you're 24, how easy, is it easier or harder for somebody that's older than you to take, orders or take? I think at first it can be, so how I sort of go into it was I was doing this, spy on my buddy Joe, would do six rounds, could do about three or four then, but he was probably boxing more rounds than this at that point, so he'd say afterwards are two a bit of pads. Actually, the first side of it was I went down a gym to get better condition, focusing on my football at this point, I must have been 15, 16, something like that. And the gym's actually more of a boxing-based type gym, and I went down there and it obviously went for football. I never mentioned anything about boxing, and he went right with doing a bit of pads, and I don't think he expected me to do what I could do at the time. And I built a relationship with this guy, and he sort of said to me, look, I'll put you through your training qualification, so if things don't work out for you, like you've got a job ear type thing, and I thought, okay, that sounds good, so I did that. And then Billy Joe used to train at gym as well, and he started coming down, so we'd do six rounds or whatever, then I'd do a little bit of pads after, then he'd text me saying, can we do that again tomorrow, can we do that again tomorrow? On the days that we're not spying, can I come in and do a session with you? Then that just kept growing, and he sort of texted me one day and was like, what do you think about being part of my team? And I knew at that point, I thought I can see things outside the ring that other people can't see. I just didn't have the experience and the knowledge to fully explain it in the way I'm needed to, and I think that's a huge part of coaching, how I get that information across. And I just, as time went on, I got a little bit better at that, and then you can start to... So I was working with him sort of more so behind the scenes, and then I started picking up one or two other fighters, and it just sort of snowballed from there. Who did you look at for inspiration, role models? Why? Did you have any other trainers? You thought, they've got results over the years, I want to kind of model myself on them? Yeah, sort of along the lines what you said before where you went, you seem to be the type to acknowledge it in something that I'm interested in. And with the boxing, I sort of went around, I worked with so many different trainers myself, and I used to think, he's good at that, he's good at that, he's good at that, he's good at that, but none of them has the whole package. And I sort of went, OK, I like the way he does that, I like the way he does that, I like the way he does that, I like the way he does that, and sort of picked little things along the way, of course. And then obviously with experience, you sort of develop your own philosophy and the way of putting things across. But even to this day, someone said to me the other day, when was the last time you feel like you actually learnt something about boxing? I said, every day I learnt something, more so that fight gets, I get a better response by demonstrating, I get a better response by him seeing it visually on the screen, or he gets a better response by just drilling it, he gets a better response by, or even explaining it, he takes it better on board when I explain it like this, when I explain it like this. And so every day you learn like that, and like I said, I just think that's a huge part. To keep learning and growing in your craft, man, it's all about knowledge and garran information, stealing parts. It's more the image, steal who's doing what you're doing, take it, put your own spin to it, but if you keep learning and learning, then you create your own journey, you create your own science of the madness, I believe anyway. Yeah, definitely. When you won the world title, and you were coaching for some day when you won the world title of 24s at Balladol, at 24, how were you accepted? Was there any question, Miles? Well, it was bad performance, but I actually took over probably three or four weeks before, and he was really struggling with his weight. I'd been working with him the whole way through, so I sort of knew what position he was in. And my thinking at the time was, you can't afford to win these rounds big, because he ain't got the gas tank for it for this fight, because he was really struggling with his weight. And I know what he's like, so I remember he'd come back to the corner, but again, people were thinking 24-year-old probably doesn't know this, doesn't know that. He lost a round, but he'd come back to the corner. I purposely told him he won that round on purpose, because I knew if I told him he'd lost it, he would have come out and worked so hard to win that round. So I purposely told him that he won the round just to keep him calm. And I already had in my mind, I know Billy Joe personally before going into his fight, and I thought, I know how to get what I need out of him. But it was about picking the right moment, and this guy that he was boxing was not the most experienced at that level. And I thought to myself, one, we can't afford to shoot our tank too early, but I know he's going to have his own doubts of doing the rounds at world championship level. So I thought around that mark, when that question starts to usually come in around rounds eight, rounds nine, that's when we need to push to pace him, because I know what he'll start thinking. He'll start having doubts, can I do the pace? Have I got four, five, six rounds left in me? So I thought if we can save his energy and use round seven, eight, nine to really push on, then those doubts are going to creep in the other guy's mind, and we can control the pace from there on out and use that guy's doubts against him. So it was about, the importance was mostly round management, and also Billy Joe wasn't, he was seasoned, but it was his first offensive, his world title, first fight not working with Jimmy Tibbs, and I thought I don't want to completely change the way he's used to being communicated to in the corner. But people would never think, oh 24 years old he's thinking about these things. Was there a lot of question marks on your ability to get into that fight? Afterwards, because it wasn't a great performance from Billy Joe, but I think it was easily, not because of the opponent, but because of the way he'd done his weight, it was definitely a potential slip-up. It could have gone a lot worse if he wasn't economical and efficient, but I always had sort of confidence in my ability. Why do you think Billy Joe performs better when he's underdog? It seems to pick, it seems to, I don't know all that when he's... Well I'll put it like this, if you were to do a 100m race against someone that you know you can win at, your own specific time of what you recorded when you know you can win that race quite comfortably would not be the same if you thought, I don't know if I can beat this feather in a race. I guarantee your time would be quicker against the guy that you thought, I'm not 100% sure I can win this race, so I need to... Do you see that with a lot of boxers if they know that I get in favour of it? Even with sparring? Even with sparring, I say this to Josh, because they've got the big gloves on the headguard, there's just a lack of respect for... Sometimes he just almost switches off as a case of... Because it's not that respect, but when you get in there and they've got eight ounce gloves on, I'm not giving this feather a chance. So how do you plant the seeds in there and mean to pick up the pace? Is there a kingdom mean fucking in there? There can be with some things, but I also think it's just a case of like... What's actually happening doesn't change, how you feel doesn't change what's actually happening. He's so easy to go, if a boxer doesn't have a performance, good performance, to go, I was weight drained or I didn't this, I was this, I was that. OK, all of what you're saying is great, but that's how you feel, what actually transpired and happened in the ring. So I don't really focus on how somebody feels, I focus on what's actually happening, you know? A bully Joe, my phenomenal fighter, I believe, and absolute animal, and I've seen photos there just yesterday, and he's the best shit I've ever seen him. How does that make you feel to see that? Somebody you've knew your whole life then fighting the biggest fight in his life? I know he can win that fight. I believe so, I believe so, a reason being because I believe everybody thinks he's underdog, and that easy kind of guy gets pissed off, I believe, to prove people wrong. I think there's, and I hope he does, he's a showman, boxing needs that kind of guy, just zero fucks giving, says it how it is. I can clearly see what he's smiling on your face, how happy you're for him. How is that when you see fighters going for that, for the biggest fights of their life? How proud do you feel that your part of that journey, your part of his story to get him to that level as well? Yeah, of course, and I want to see him do it, and I worked a lot of him in most of his fights, really most of his title fights, and even for this fight, he'd come down a gym and had a few days down a gym where it sort of went through. This is what I think Canela's going to do this, what I think you need to do. And then we'd done some film studies for him, sent it over to him, just to say, look, this is my opinion, you know, this is what I think. And I think this fight is going to boil down to who's better prepared, not physically, not who's more fit, who's better prepared for the other, because the level of IQ in that boxing ring will be a joke, ridiculous. Canelo's IQ is ridiculous and Billy Joe's IQ is ridiculous. So I just think he's going to be a battle of who is more tactically aware, who understands what their opponent is trying to achieve by what they're doing. One man's been defeated, though, as well. Yeah. Does that play a part? Even though Canelo's saying he's pound for pound best ever, but when you watch the Canelo and Mayweather fight that wide, Mayweather, I believe, is the greatest all time in my opinion. I'm not a boxing, I just love watching boxing, I don't know. I'm not a coach, but for me, for what he'd done, even when he'd done with Canelo, yes, Canelo was young, but Canelo couldn't touch him. For that man to have done that, it shows you the level that he was at. It's unbelievable that you see how Mayweather can slip punches. Do you ever go, how the fuck does he do that, and then use that with your own boxers? Yeah, we was just watching Mayweather with Josh. But again, the thing is, it's so easy to go. What's the theme of, just go with the theme, like Mayweather, he saw, he was on the bike, moved against Canelo. No, he didn't, no he didn't. Because when you're saying, is you're not actually watching what's happening, watch the Mayweather fight, first thing he does, step straight to Canelo. Doesn't give up, like if you look to do that against Canelo, your back won't come off the ropes after four or five rounds, whereas Canelo mayweather kept just enough distance, didn't give ground away cheaply, you're going to earn it if you want to push me back, and if you're going to push me back, you're going to commit to me, I'll make your pay for committing to me. How hard does that seem for a fight of losers, and you see how everybody comes on social media and just talking shit, like you're talking about ring movement, and she's, for the average boxer, we don't know that shit, we just see punches getting thrown. How difficult is it when people are criticising, people who've never fought in a ring before? Does that push you off sometimes? No, not really, because, like, these guys that, I've got a guy that works with me, his name's Lee Wiley, he's done a little bit of boxing, but never competed, but he will blow away, hand on my heart would guarantee it with everything I've got. He would blow away most rounds in the UK, in terms of knowing what's happening. And I just think that there's a net, and I know guys that have boxed their whole life, clueless, absolutely clueless. Some of the best fighters that have ever been, absolutely terrible coaches, not a clue. Often I think that they're so talented that they've just done what comes natural to them, but they've never actually thought about what they're actually doing. Yeah, there's a lot more to it. What does bug me is when someone, you know, someone who's considered a coach comes out with some absolute nonsense, and I think... I think it'd be rude and just disrespectful when we come across arrogant to go, hold on, and pull them up type thing, but even to say that to pull them up, it sounds arrogant, I don't mean it like that, but I think that's just not what happened, and I could easily go... Yeah, address the situation. Yeah, but I just don't bother. Yeah. What do you think, then, Canelo Sonders? Who wins? I think, like, I say this all the time, like, it would just be, oh, you're a cheerleader if I went, Billy Joe, 100%, like, he's winning. That'd be ridiculous, cos of that level, like, either guy makes a mistake, they're going to get made to pay for it. I think 100% Billy Joe can win that fight, there's not a doubt in my mind. But if he makes too many mistakes, he's too reactive, Canelo can win that fight. Of course he can. He's the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet. If Billy Joe goes about the right way, he wins that fight. This is the first time that he seems on it. This is a fight he's been wanting his whole life now that he has it. He doesn't seem to have affected him. He seems to be head down, working hard, and he's given himself the best opportunity that he can to win this fight. Cos if he wins this fight, then he becomes one of the best, and, other than the UK, which is a phenomenal achievement for... because if you beat Canelo, then you've got to be on that. Even to be a two-weight world champion, that says a lot, you know? But to beat the pound-for-pound number one, like... Are you excited for that? Yeah, I just... To get nervous for it? Because you're not there? That's why. When he boxes and I can't give him the information that I feel he needs, I get sickly nervous in my stomach. Why are you not at this one, because you're rough, Josh? Yeah, really, time-ins and things like that. But like I say, we've discussed the fight. He's been down there and speak on the phone most days. I'll get really nervous when I can't give the information that I feel I need to give, but when I'm there and given the information, I don't get nervous whatsoever, really. Do you feel like a father figure sometimes? Like, it's not just a case of boxing. Do you have to deal with all this shit outside the ring? Yeah, there is an element of that. And I think that, you know, because I'm younger, it can be easy for people to think, ah, the relationship or the dynamic must be different to what they have in their mind, but I think that there is an element of that. You have to be able to repel people. You have to go, OK, you need to kick up the arse, or do you know what? You need an arm around him. That's a huge part of coaching and knowing, do you know what, today's the day, or he's in the mood today, or this is the time to go. There's no beating around the bush like, boom, this is what it is. You like it or lump it. But there's a time to go, do you know what, today's not the day to let it go. Maybe we'll go for it or pull him up tomorrow or a couple of days down the line to go, look, the reason this happened was because of this or because of that. Is there a lot of tears on camp when people are going through eight weeks, 12-week camps? Depends on the problems in the family and just the struggles. I don't think people realise actually what goes on to prepare for a fight. I've spoke to a few boxers now, man, in the strain. It's just been away from family, but I think you spoke to Josh here and he's kind of just it now, Scottish blood. He doesn't really give a fuck. But it must be hard for you to see that, to absorb that energy, to have to pick up the spirits consistently. It's not just an average fight. It's world title fights, it's the biggest fights on the planet. So how do you then get stressed or do you have to constantly put on the shield that nothing phases you? That's key, that is key. But even every fighter's next fight is their world title fight. I can't afford to lose. That's the same for everybody. Obviously, with Tyson, it was very different because there was so much up and down and head was all over the place at the beginning. But like I was saying before, I feel like everything's just sort of that happened because of that and that happened because of that. I used to see a girl that she suffered badly from depression. And like exactly what you're saying, they soak up the energy. I ended up suffering depression from that. I didn't realise directly at the time, but I was soaking up this energy and ending up being like that myself. And I used to think, why, like, why have I ended up going through this? Then when I started working with Tyson, I thought, I know exactly what God put me through this because I'm now in a position to know and see the science and know how someone's feeling, know what they've done when they're here in that moment. I could tell when Tyson was walking down the stairs what type of mood he was in. That was a difficult one. How did you start that, John Lee rough-tasting? So that fight that I was saying about when I done my first world title fight at 24, fight week, Tyson come down for the full fight week and saw me doing some work with Billy Joe and he was a bit like, started asking questions. And I think was just impressed with what he sort of saw. He knew before that Billy Joe was sort of down at the weights of wild people looked in when I was about to performance. That was Ben's fault. He already knew the situation before the fight took place. And then we were sort of in contact. And then me and Billy Joe went over to my bath for a training camp. Billy Joe said to me, do you mind if Tyson comes over? I said, no, no problem. And when he come over after the first session, he was like, right, do you want to be my new coach? And I was like, most people at 24 or 25, 24, I think, yeah, would be like, yeah, you know, 100%. I was like, whoa, take your time. Like don't have to rush into a decision like this. We can keep working if you're happy with it, then we'll see. If not, you know, you don't have to. That was when he was 28 stone. Yeah. And he was actually a little bit lighter at the time he gained some weight after this. And I sort of said, you know, you achieved a lot with your uncle, like you don't have to rush into any decisions. And then after a few sessions, he had already made his mind up, you know? And then he had to go back. The plan was for him to go back to England, talk a few bits out, then come back over and carry on training. Never happened. He went even heavier. When he's in contact bits and bobs and he just randomly messaged me one day and the gym and was like, I'm ready. Are you ready? I was like, ready for what? He was like, I'm ready to start. Like I said, what? So you want me to, you want to commit to me being your trainer? He was like, yep, this, that and the other. And I was up and had a fighter helping Tony Belly at the time prepared for the David Hayford. He's a big guy. Love Tony, show it to Tony. And I was like, right. So I'm staying in Sheffield for a week or two weeks or whatever it was, can't remember. I was like, I can meet you over at Hattons, which is about halfway to do some sessions three times a week or whatever. So we started off doing that. After a couple of weeks, he was like, look, I need to do this full time. So then I moved in with him and I remember turning up at the house and knocking on the door. I didn't notice at the time, but like probably a year down the line or 10 months down the line, I was talking to Paris and she was like, he never told me. Just knocked on the door, he was like, oh, by the way. Ben's moving on. Yeah, she was like, what? Some strange, you're moving in like. Was she just happy though that it was getting help? There must have been a difficult time for seeing him. A big, strong man, king of the world. Clich go, won all the belts, had all the money, had all the fame, but then hit the biggest depression in his life, and I'll use Tyson Fury as an example how when you achieve those goals and you think it's going to complete you, it's going to fulfill all the emptiness when you realise when you get it, that it ain't fuck all, and that's when people can slip, but for a man to come back from 20, it's doing and achieving, you're a massive part of that, so I take my heart off to you. Don't know if you get the credit that you deserve for actually what you've done and to absorb all that energy to fuel those emotions and to go through that journey as well, because when he's struggling, you then struggle, so it's then your job to give him that inspiration. When he was talking about getting back to fights and stuff, what were you thinking seriously when he was 28 stone? Were you thinking, did you have doubt? Or were you thinking it's Tyson Fury? His mindset is different. I see it, other people see things, see it like that. When he says something, he means it. People don't necessarily get it. So when he was saying to you, I'm coming back, anybody else at 28 stone is thinking, nah, you're full of shit. What were you thinking? At the time, he had some doubts. I remember, at one point, he said, I think it's the first time he's over in my baby. He was like, my biggest worry is doing a comeback, getting myself back in shape, doing a comeback, just not having it because what is taking out me is coming back in the inactivity, getting beat or something like that and then people go, ah, there's a fluke that night against Klitsco. That was like something, I can't have that, so I need to take my time with this. I imagine for Paris it's probably, well, I don't know what this person's about, I've never met this person. But after a little while, obviously, you get to know everybody and I've got to know Tyson more. And if I'm honest, I used to look across and think, I don't know if this is possible, but I've got to know him, got to know the family, I thought, but if I can make this man happy again, that's it, even if he doesn't box again, I've done a good job, a fucking good job. And he was all over the place at first and so one minute it was, I want to take four fights. Now, I took the deal on, I took the agreement to do this on him having four warm-up fights. And then there was times we go, ah, forget the warm-up fights, I don't love boxing no more, because obviously it was tough, the emotions were going through a training camp, the emotions of having to lose all this weight, which was going to take time. It'd be like, ah, forget the warm-up fights, I'm just going to take a big fight. If I've got it, I've got it, if I ain't, I ain't. And I remember sitting around the table, actually, with Tyson and Paris and he said something along those lines and I sort of finished my foot, put it to the side and walked into my room. And I could hear through the door, he went to Paris, what's up with him? And she went, he's not here for that, he's not here to have one big fight and earn some money and go, ah, you do it, you do it, if you don't, you don't, I've earned a few quid off it, what does it matter? And he came in and went, what's up? I went, I'm not interested, mate. If you want to walk into what, I took this agree into four warm-up fights. I said, if you go, you want to have one big fight, like, I'm not the man for this job, I'm not interested, like, I don't care. Ah, you'll earn a few quid, not interested, don't care. I know I'm going to earn money because I know I'm good at my job. And I think that for him was like, okay, this person's actually in it for the long run, like, and it gave him a bit of confidence in what I want. I'll just use it on him? Yeah, exactly. And the initial going through the business side of things to get the deal for the comeback and everybody wanted a piece of it. And, well, you've agreed to this before, but then I've still got one fight, I've still got a contract with you, all of this, we're causing them a lot of stress because you already had all the stress of this comeback. Never mind all the stress of the business side of things. But once you got the, once you got the sort of, that sort of thing's in place, then a lot of the stress and worry went away. But he had a, see, his first bar, he was like, I thought, right, get him a steady bit of spying, let him move around, nothing too intense, you know, let him get used to a few things. And he wanted to spar Lucas Brown. Someone phoned up about Lucas Brown's bit of spying and I thought, rather than just move about, not that Lucas Brown is great but he can punch a bit. And I was like, let's just, you know, have a move about first, get someone out, I'll be all right, you're going to be all right, went back spar timing everything, like things that you think would be off timing distance. It was just playing around, like everything was still down, I thought, interesting. I mean, it has time went on, it's spying more and more, but it was very up and down. And I think, again, a big part of my job, old head on young shoulders, people wouldn't expect that type of dynamic. My thing was, I sort of used to look at it as they're the guidelines. If he goes above that, I know he's going to crash. If he goes below that, not good. If we can see him in between these two guidelines, quite balanced, like we're doing well. So there'd be moments that are very easily influenced Tyson, very easily influenced, like a big kid really at times. And like you just wouldn't expect someone that big achieve what he's achieved, such a character to be so easily influenced. But if you went, literally I always say this, if he went, I could run through that wall, it would start off as a joke. But do you know if I went, I think you can, all of a sudden it'd be. I can! He would actually believe it, you know? But I used to purposely do things like, if I'm strong or this or that, messing about, and I'd go, you can't do 10 reps without weight. And he'd go, Yeah? Watch his then. And I'd get that extra step out of him. And then there was, I was so, I found, I thought it was so important to get away from home, get into warm weather, get him in a good mode to get to Marbella. A part of me taking on this job was to, for the agreement that we was going to go away to Marbella to get him away from everything, just focus on getting some, crashing a bit of weight off early, giving him time to rest and recover from crashing the weight, let his body get back to normal, then going to warm up fight. And he was a bit against the going to Marbella because he's out of your comfort zone. He's thinking, I can do this from home. And I remember, while we was having this discussion, we was getting ready to go for a run and the kids were screaming, I want to come, I want to come. I was thinking, this is why, you know? And we set out, but he lives along sort of the sea from. So we went out for a run, crashed the wind and the rain everything from the sea crashing in and the kids are scooters broke, screaming, got a mile up the road. I was like, look, this is why I'm saying we need to get away like just fully focus on, on yourself get doing what needs to be done rather than this will end up taking 12, 14, 18 weeks when we can get big results out of six weeks and then calming things back down. No, no, no. And then all of a sudden you turn around, I booked it, but what? We're going tomorrow. And I was like, tomorrow. Yeah. And we're driving. What are we driving for? Ah, he's saying this to me. Don't worry about it. This side of this side, like England will be the worst part of the journey. Once we get through to the other side, it'd be easy. I'm thinking, OK, get up in the morning, set off within two hours. Ah, let's just turn around. He's coming. I'm thinking, you said to me, this bit. That's an 18 hour drive. Yeah. You said to me that England's going to be the hard part. And then once we got through to the other end, sorry, we stopped off at stopped off at a petrol station and he sort of said to me, listen, I can only apologise even. I'll just, you know, let's turn around. Is he getting scared? I don't know what it was. I think it was just a case of the drive was difficult. It was, the journey was like the journey. Even his kids and family is real. He's as much as he's rock, he's real. She was, she come with us. They come with us. But we was in a car. Is the kids there as well? The kids were there, yeah. And he had the little one at the time, screaming every time we phoned through from the car. So I was in a different car. And it was a bit like the journey. Like the first, he had already said this to me. England, the journey part of England to get down to the Euro tunnel was going to be the difficult part. And I felt like, you know, the first stage of this comeback was going to be the difficult part. And we got to, I think we got a cross actually to France and he was like, look, I can only apologise. I'll pay you whatever you want for your time that you've put in. He said, but let's just go. He actually said, let's just go to Disneyland. For a couple of days and turn around. And I was like, I didn't come here for this, like, we're going to stick it through. We're going to get there. Oh, let's see how we feel in the morning. And Tyson's brother, Huey, I've got out the car, I've faced like a smack to Tyson. He was like, what's up with him? He was like, he's come to do what needs to be done like. We knew that this was ahead of us. We need to get there and get to work. And he said, oh, see how we feel in the morning. Obviously woke up in the morning, better mode got going again. And I remember that as soon as the sun, this is my thing, get him in the sun, good environment, healthy, clean. I think he's probably a lot cleaner to live cleaner in a warm weather scenario. And it'd been negative, negative, negative, negative. It was almost like the sun, poof, hit the car, phoned through. I can't wait to get down. I was like this fella's off his trolley. And once we got over there, you know, it was really good results. Day to day, he was always up and down. But I can say the key was to try and keep him in the guidelines. And then he had the two comeback fights. How was it, his first comeback fight? Were you nervous? Because it was all I hate about that? Yeah, I think. I sort of thought we knew what to sort of expect. Like it was more about the show event. He wasn't quite, if I'm being honest, mentally stable at that point. It was more about the event than the actual fight. Like the fight was never going to be competitive, you know? But people loved to criticise us. You know, so people were expecting a barnstorm wherever a fight. And it just wasn't the case. It was a comeback fight, almost a signal. You know, positive things are ahead. It's going to happen. Who was it before going out in the ring? Yeah, one thing I say about Tyson is, I think he probably feels more pressure fighting someone that he's just completely expected to beat than he does when he's fighting someone that people are like, hmm, I don't know if he can do this. That must be right, Gypsy. Blydgell's, Blydgell's, the same lad. The up their levels tenfold that nobody thinks they've got those levels. I feel as if they too are constantly proving people wrong. Their whole boxing career. I don't think, even though they get the respect of a lot of people, but I think they should get a lot more for actually what they've achieved. There's still been. I think is it both fair enough? I don't know. They're both fair enough. They're both unbelievable for what they've achieved. And again, but when you watch the fights, I don't fucking know. I'm not a coach, but you kind of see when it's the ones that expect to beat, they kind of take the foot off the gas a bit, but when it's against the big names, your clutch goes, your canelo's coming up. They go through the levels and the training seems to go through the roof, which is a good thing, but when you are there, because it always seems like a showman in the changing room Tyson before a fight, shown off in that. Was that any signs of that? The first fight, the comeback fight? Yeah, to a degree. The comeback fight was like everybody wanted to fight some camera and the changing room was full up and it was a bit of a circus really, if I'm honest. How does that irritate you? Yeah, because I think, well, nobody else matters. I don't matter. Nobody matters other than the fighter. I've always believed this, like if you want to be the star, do the fighting. Do you know what I mean? Earn it. So it was a little bit of a, but then that was why I remember, we took a said, look, you know, the next fight is a bit more of a, not a competitive fight when he's at his peak, but during the comeback lost a lot of weight, still had lost a lot of weight between the first fight and the next fight. You know, it was going to make it more of a competitive fight. That was against a guy called Peoneta and then Tom Schwartz. Schwartz? Yeah, Schwartz. So you had the Wilder, so Wilder was only the Fodffink, not the fourth? No, so the agreement was four warm-up fights and then even going into the Peoneta fight it was like talk to this, because Wilder had come to the fight that was talking to this Wilder fight. I openly said, you know, I think, you know, not that he couldn't win it, but he was really diminishing the percentages and making it more narrow than it needed to be. Why would Wilder take that fight? He thought it's a name, I've blown his feather away and got a good name on my record. That's what he thought, he tried to get me in quickly. I was looking for a note to say that you'd think it was a bit illiterate, but then Tyson just coming back after three years, two warm-up fights and then to fight one of the best knockout artists man in the boxing game. He was no mug, do you know what I mean? But then what was your training when he took that fight? What were you thinking? Did you ever try and stop that? What were you thinking? Yeah, I opened, he said, like, this is a step too early. Yeah, like, you're just diminishing the percentages and making it closer than what it needs to be. And he was adamant that he wants to do it, you know? This is what I want to do. Do you think that's the addiction habit as well where we spoke, and I'll try to constantly prove people wrong, but his self-belief that he can run through a wall probably would that. Do you think that's what he needs, though, that the one that nobody thinks he could win because he's just come back to then make him progress and kick on and prove people wrong? Yeah, I don't know. Because that's a bit psychotic to then go, well, fuck it, I'm going to take the undefeated fighter, knocked out everybody that he's fought, three fights back after a three-year lay-off. So in terms of boxing side things, I thought you're making this closer to fighting needs to be a lot more if you just take your time and have another fight or to take more so time for your body to recover from the weight loss. But what I will say, in terms of overall, I think it's the best thing that could have happened to him. Not the actual fight and the performance, but the pressure and the, okay, I've got focus on what's ahead of me and the job that's coming up. I've got a goal rather than losing a bit of weight. Got this fellow I can box, I know I can beat him, but there is no complete I need to be 100% focused for this. Where he's going into the wildfire, I just think that that really helped his mind. He had a focus, had something he know he needs to do, was a bit of pressure on him and made him mentally a lot more stable going into that fight. And then obviously what happened in the fight just turned him into a megastar. He should have won the fight. I think that's because he was in America, he was always wary of that. Always wary of that. Because we was arguing we won an English judge, we won an English judge in there. One American, one English and one neutral. He was the English judge that scored it a draw. So it was a case. Do you see a lot of that in boxing? Two megastars feeding. Is there a lot of that kind of corruption with scored cards? It seems to be getting worse. How someone can score that 116, I don't know how you can come to that. What were you thinking when Tyson got put down on the last? I genuinely thought it was over. When a fighter goes down they're going to get up. Usually something is moving. They are moving whether it's their hands moving, their foot's moving. He was just still. It took him four seconds before. Boom, okay. I don't know whether he was out. I don't know if he was going okay. Take my time. One thing that was funny in the preparation for that was that he kept saying that I'm so adamant about this. He kept on saying to us, to the aspiring partners, if I get put down it's okay. I've been there before. I'll wait to the eight count then I'll get up. I'm experienced. If he hits me flush I probably will go down. That reality, I think was why he was able to get up. I think it was a case of he had said it so many times it was subconsciously in his mind if I go down I'll wait for the eight count and he'd said it so many times I thought he was probably subconsciously okay then the ref was counting in his face in the case now I'll get up. Whereas if he hadn't been realistic with himself he was confident but realistic and that was the important part of if I get it clean a good chance I'll go over. What are you thinking then though if you're thinking he's won six, seven rounds in front that he's cleared that eight rounds and then he gets put in his ass and they'll ask what are you thinking? So at the time I thought to myself like there's people going oh you know at the time it was that I got the tactics right but there definitely was moments where he could have pressed the pace against Wilder but my whole thing going into the fight is I don't know what the fuel tank's got I don't know what the fuel tank's got we haven't had 12 elite rounds that he's fought or we've not had four one-warp fights picking it up picking it up and I can go right this is what's in the tank this is where we're at I thought to myself I don't know how he's going to do the round so at times where he could have probably pushed the pace I'm thinking we need to be safe here and gradually because gassing out and standing in front of Wilder is not an ideal place to be at all so for me it was a case of we need to be efficient control the pace because I didn't know being completely honest I can sit here and go yeah this, yeah that but at the time I didn't know how many elite rounds in the tank after the weight loss and this kind of things and I'd actually said to him in the corner when you drop him down to your right you need to step in drive your shoulder into him and tie him up not just dip because there's a chance you get caught dipping and get caught down there I said to him this couple of rounds and that was why he got clipped the first time as well because he dipped down rather than close the distance or dip down and take half a step back just distance he just dipped down clipped up back ahead and the same thing happened for the last knock down he dipped down, didn't smother or step back just dipped thinking Wilder is going to punch six foot past but by this point Wilder had anticipated he was going to drop down there boom boom and caught him on the way down there I was thinking at the point why I was thinking to myself God why why have you took us this far to then do this now you know and then the whole get up thing I just feel like that was just meant to happen it was like the whole story of I've got knocked down I've got back up again about his whole journey and then it actually happened in a sport at the moment of the fight and that moment will forever go beyond sport because it's just a sign of he didn't just sit there going yeah if you get knocked down you've got to get back up you've got to fight on like it actually happened he said it and he did it and for so many people I've got thousands and thousands and thousands of messages of people saying I took so much inspiration from that that that moment in boxing say my size 1 million percent he did I know it's phenomenal man and that's why you so love but you've still got to get credit for the journey you went because he could have probably quit numerous occasions when you were there in the vice now of being back in boxing ring again how did you absorb that you got in with a game plan then for okay we've got four matches how were you thinking if he's eating drinking I don't know who was drinking in but were you getting am the mental battle ac mae'n cael eigylmingiaeth a ddim o'n ademi gyd,ynnai rai rhoi'r hynrwch. Rwy'n ychydig i erionedd a'i cysylltu. Nid ddiwedd o gyd, nid o'n dweud fel g technology. Mae Danna efallai yn gwneud ar y cymdeithasol. Meddwl o'n gwneud a fawr o'r gwirioneddau... Cwestiwch chi'n ei wneud, fe'u'r gwirioneddau a'u gw Elinwyr gyda'r cymdeithasol. Ni'n ffioent odyn ni'n gwneud cymdeithasol o'r gwirionedd, ond mae ymlaen o'r diolw Skol drwy gwnaeth. Diolch fyfyrwyr yn gweithio'r peth. Rwy'n gwybodaeth a gyda'r Yongfyddaf yr aelodau a'i'r ei ddechrau. Felly rwy'n dod i'r meddwl i'n methu夫 yn fawr iawn. Y tyfu ddweud i fuddiol. Rwy'n meddwl i wneud unrhyw yn jener yn cael ei bod yn cael ei ddechrau, mae'r ysgol i gysylltio'r cyffredig a chydydd y dda'u fwyllwan yn hun o'r flim. Rwy'n gem i'r wych o'r obel sydd, Ac ydych yn gallu cyfrifio'r rai ichi swyddfa yma o'r ac yn dda, I fydd yn cael eu cynhyrch, Lord. Efallai at y byddai ei hyn o'n feddwl i'r bae Peir. Roedden am y flynyddu oedden, Ac efallai y bod yn cael eu llach oedden. Ac ydych yn gallu bod y cyfrifio, Felly dydych yn gallu cael eu llach oedden. A dw i ddim yn eto, Nid yw fod yn ychydig oedden yn y llach oeddennau? Yn ceisio, Mae'n ceisio'r awdurdod mor iawn i'w Llyfr. ac byddwyd o hynny, byddwyd o amddai gennym cael ei gwybodaeth yn dweud o'r gwaith ac rai unrhyw gwybod ni'n mynd i gweithio ondiau'n cael ei rai gyda fath yn y bydd Afrydd i canfn. Felly eisiau llawer o hynny, roeddwn ni'n dweud o'r gwaith, oeddwn ni'n ddod o'r Yphyllus i'r garfyrdd d고ifar, a'n hollol argedig. iawn. Siaid yn angharut gyda eu garfnabb, dyfodiadwyd. A'n dweud hynny eu cofysgau, fi mae'n boda'r llunio. Rydyn ni'n gogcos i wyl+, dyfod felol. Mae'n ddoi, rydyn ni'n ddotwch, fi nes i gennymiais y cerdd i ddechrau. Rydyn ni'n dweud, dych chi'n gweithdech. Rydyn ni'n gweithdech chi'n gweithdo'n dweud. Rydyn ni nhw'n gweithdo'n gweithdo'n gweithdo'n gweithdo'n gweithdo'n gweithdo. yw'r ffordd, a dyna ymlaen i'n dda i'r hyn o'n gwyfodd. Yn ydych chi'n gweithio'n gweithio. Yn y peth o bobl yn ymlaen, rydyn ni ddim yn cynnig, a dyna'n ffordd ffynomig, ac mae'n fyw i chi'n fwy gweithio, a ddodd yn ddif chi'n ffordd i'r ffordd i'r hyn o'r ffordd yw'r ffordd? A'r hyn o'n gweithio'n gweithio'n cael ei wneud yn y dyfodd yn drwg. Felly yna'r gwelch â'u amser. Felly mae'n ffordd. Mae'n ffordd ond yw wedi cael ffordd. Mae'n bwysig yn wahanol efo'r rhow fan. Felly mae'n bwysig. Mae'n bwysig mae'n bwysig a'n bwysig. Mae'n bwysig i'n bwysig. Mae'n bwysig yn i'r ffat. Mae'r bwysig i'r hans. Felly mae'n bwysig i'n bwysig. Felly nawr, byddwn i europe anfoswyd y paraffur, mae'n bwysig i'r ffat, because if anyone gets in the fight at any point it can end. But I thought to myself we need to land something substantial early to make Wilder go you're not walking at me, because Tycin can punch, he can! And he landed someone at the end of the first round as if to say to him if you're reckless, you'll get clipped yourself. And that we needed that. That was like you better respect me and made a little bit hesitant, made him buy it on the faint. So of course there was a game plan going into it. Ac rwy'n mynd i'n gwybod y peth o'r llunio, y ddweud o'r llunio, y ddechrau ar y dechrau, y swydd gyda'r cyfan, ac dwi'n nodi'r rhaglen o'r Lleidio ESPN. Ac mae'n gwybod yw i'r llunio i'r newid. Dw i'r ddweud o'r llunio, mae'n gwybod i'r newid. Felly mae'r stodol bannu? Rwy'n gwybod. Rwy'n gwybod. Felly mae'r llunio i'r llunio, ifeithiaid. Ac mae'n gwybod i'r llunio i'r llunio. Thank you. I do, I do, I don't know what he'll be like now after that. I think he's broken now or? Potentially, or he could think to himself, you know what? He may be saying all this, but deep down in his own mind they get you know what, I've got witnesses on needs of working and I'm not going to let that happen again. Did you start to see Taysin pachoriwch ffraeir's because he knocked out Schwartz was it? Yes so then he brought was Tom Schwartz and fun enough what I was saying about when ac ond ychwanegwch yn deitting cofniad yn wneud, mae'n yn cael eu elwyr yr ysbytio sefydlu'r gweithio, ond rhaid i ddefnyddio beth sy'n ei drwpin. Dw i ble mae'n gweld y gwrdd, ein bod gyda ni'n golygu i chi'n gweithio, mae o梁 ychydig i chi'n gweld y bydd iawn i chi byddai sy'n golygu a gwaith yn y fan, mae'n gweithio iawn i chi'n gweld y byddai, mae'n golygu i chi'n gweld y byddai. Mae ychwanegwch yn gwneud, yn ôl eich gweld, dyna'n llawer i ddatblygu drwy y teimlo. Ac efallai, mae'n gwirioneddwy i ddechrau'r cyd-or yn y casad a'i dabart. Dwi dŵr y cwm, byddwch chi ddweud hynny mewn. A phryddiwch y cyd-or yn y casad. Y cwm ychydig o'r proffort yn ni haeth. Mae'n gofio'r y casad ergynnau. Ac rwyf wedi nhw eich gwirioneddwy'n dda. Ac rwyf wedyn bod y byddwch wedi gwneud yn tu. Mae'n ddweud o ffyrdd, mae'n ddweud. boom everything is heavy very touch, touch, slow bang then something substantial behind it so the rhythm is constantly changing straight away come out switch the dashboard touch touch touch bang touch bang rhythm is constantly changing just set him up, let him get comfortable with a nice soft slow bup bup boom something substantial behind it and that was the difference really and then blew him away and then Ac oeddwn ni'n rhan o'r rhamn? A'r rhamn o'r rhamn? Yn oed o'r rhamn? Yn oed o'r rhamn o'r rhamn. Fyddeiddo ni'n bwysig i'r rhamn o'r rhamn o'r rhamn? Yn oed o'r rhamn o'r rhamn o'r rhamn, fe wnaethwn i'n ddyn nhw'n eich cyflog o beth. Nod o ff Beth. Rhaid o'r rhamn o'r rhamn o'n ddyn nhw. Mae yna yma o ran rhai. Rhaid o'r rhamn o'r rhamn o'r rhamn. Felly, ddim yn ymddi'r cyflwyno'n cefnol. Felly, efallai... Mae, yw'r brifoedd, fel y cyllid yn amser. Felly, yw'r Cyfrifasol, dwi'n meddwl i'r bywys. Yna, yw ydw i'n gwneud wrth i'r hynny. Felly, yw'n meddwl i'r cyfrifasol. Felly, mae'r gilydd o'r gweithio, i ddim yn cael ei mynd i'r hyn. Rhywodraeth yw'r cyfrifosol. Felly, hefyd, rhan, rhan, ddim yn ymddi'r gweithio, Dwi'n meddwl hefyd. Ond rwy'n meddwl hefyd. Mae'n meddwl hefyd. Mae'r rhai'r eich cyffredin, a'r hefyd yn credu i'rhell. Mae'n ddweud o'r canolol yn rhaid i gael, a rhaid i'r sydd yn bwysig i. Ac mae'n ddweud. Mae'n fforddol. Mae'n ddweud o'r teimlo. Ond mae'n ddweud. Mae'n ddweud yn bwysig o'r rhaid. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o'r hyn. I'm not sure if that's why he's always just too comfortable, so I thought, right, I'm going to bring, I'm sure he was an Olympic gold medalist, two-time European champion, something like that, big tall Southclaw. I was like, I'm going to bring this feather and I'm going to let him try, you know, for three rounds he should be given anyone last night, because Tyson was in a position where the problem was with him. If he wanted to literally just palm people off, backhand them, turn them around, he could do what he wanted at times and make it easy for himself. I brought this feather in, he knew what I was doing, you know, completely chewing the feather off as if to say not today, do you know what I mean? And, you know, I think there was an element of complacency, if I'm being honest. That gave him, see, not 20 in all as well. He was defeated, so he's not a mug. No, he's not a mug. I actually said before the fight happened, I went out to watch all to his wilder, someone sent me at the other day. One of the reporters went, I spoke to Ben Davison earlier, he said to me that wilder beat Brazil in his last fight. Ben said that Otto wanted to dominate dominant Brazil, too wild, and he was like, ah, we get some crazy guys in the sport, what just happened while he just dominated Brazil. Like I knew he was handy enough, but there was a bit of complacency from Tyson, wasn't following his meal plan and nutrition, wasn't doing everything to the letter. A little bit of complacency. I'd asked him to come over to my bar a little bit sooner. And I think there was too much, too many people around, too many people. Like I said, he's very easily influenced, and there was too much of people blowing smoke up his ars, if I'm being honest. And then one of the guys actually went to me before, ah, do you mind if I, what do you think if I, can I come in the corner? I was like, what? You know, and I just thought that's the vibe that's being put around the training camp. He's kind of felt that it's not a boxing coach, not used to being in the corner. I was like, okay, let's say he gets a bad cup, and I look round and say to you, can you get me an adrenaline? I'm new, I'm new. Hand on my heart. I swear to God I'm new. He's going to get caught in that fight. And there's actually a video of a sanate to the referee before the fight happened as well. And then I said, let's say he gets dropped 10 seconds before he ended around, comes back on unsteady legs. Are you going to be? And I'm going, can you get me this? Can you get me that? It's just, you know, it's not a circus type thing. Is that when all the wee rats come in when you start getting the super stardom again? Usually what happens, usually what happens. But yeah, when he's fucking 28 stone flat out. There was three of us. Nobody's there. That's the change. But why did you get a lot of stick after that fight, tactics wrong, weight was wrong? Yeah, sanate, he's weight come down. The whole plan was for him to be about 18, 18, 18, 19. How does that affect you still at only 26, still a young kid therein? Everything you've done for the three years. Did that play a massive factor? What I like about you as well, Ben, is that you never bad mouth anybody. Everybody loves conspiracies, know the bullshit, the politics goes behind it. But no matter what you do, if you work with somebody and then if you go to another training camp, you never say a bad word in it. That's genuine respect because other people talk shit, they get annoyed and they do their own thing. You don't do that. But after that, when you disheartened, when you moved on, was it you walked away or was it Tyson? So what had happened is obviously got through the fight. And one, but again, I said he wasn't sticking to his meal plan and nutrition. And he came in at 18.1 or something like that when the plan was to be 18, 18, 18, 9, something like that. And then it was my fault that he was coming underweight. But he was fatigued, body was fatigued. He wasn't sticking to the meal plan and nutritionists plan. So he came in light, got cut, was definitely drained before the fight. Like five fights in the space of a year. That's a lot for anybody. Never mind a heavyweight. Then put on top of that a 10 stone weight loss. What do you expect? It's a bit normal with all that. That's unbelievable. What do you expect? And then obviously the dad John had criticised me. But realistically, the thing with me and John was we got along very well. And then there was a few things behind the scene. There was nothing to do with the coach and the job that I was doing with Tyson. How could you not be happy when, you know, at one point you thought he was never going to make a comeback? Then people thought he was going to get blown away in three or four rounds by Wilder. Then he got this ESPN deal and all that happened. And then he's had what, a tough fight, got a bad cut. And then he criticised me on the TV. And then afterwards Tyson was like, my dad's gone to town on me and you. But listen, no one will ever replace what you've done for me. And then he got the WWE thing and we flew over for the wrestling. And then a few things happened there, not necessarily with Tyson, but we had a bit of a discussion there. And he probably didn't quite like it, the discussion, because it wasn't me talking about positive things. It was me talking about a few negative things and that was going on. And then what I decided to do was, because obviously what had happened before, there was a case of, I thought, right, let me get everybody together and the team, go through every individual, what does everybody think? So everybody's happy with everything that's going to happen. So I held this meeting, but it was a case of meeting for people in the team, people who went away for the training camp. Is your job, do you think there's anything else that you should be responsible for? Is there anything that you want to be responsible for? This is someone's job. Does everybody else agree with that? This is what I'm thinking for the fight. Does everybody else agree with that? And then I went over to Wilder and All Teas, the second fight. And he was in a bit of a negative mood at this point. Tyson, ah, I shouldn't bother going over there. Wasted time, this, that and the other. But I got along well with Wilder's coach and after the fight, I've got the vibe from the way Wilder took that fight. I thought, I know what they're going to do. They're going to try to start slow. Let's create a comfortable environment for Tyson to them. Boom, basically not. I'm going to keep my right hand in my pocket. Let you get comfortable. Bought you in. Boom. And from being in that fight week, that's what I learnt. Just by me being there and a few different conversations, I thought, I know what they're going to try and do here. So I went back and said to Tyson, he messaged me back saying, I'm going to start fast then. And I thought that could catch him off guard because he's going to expect you to get on your toes. He's gone back for what Wilder's thinking. I'm not going to throw much. Let you get a little bit confident and then, boom, out of nowhere. And so I was like, look, I actually agree. I think that could be quite effective. But I think if he starts going through the rounds, you need to do a bit of this and a bit of that and blah blah blah. So that's where the whole starting fast thing come from. And then I went up, I was like, look, I think I can see, you know, you're probably not in a great place right now. I think we should, you know, start doing a bit of training, even if it's every other day or whatever. And I'm sweet, I'm brand new, this, that and the other. But I knew, I knew you were. And a couple of weeks later or a week later or 10 days later, he was like, oh, do you want to come up and do a session? Went up and done a session. And after the session, we had a bit of a chat. He had to make a couple of decisions business-wise. I had to make a couple of decisions business-wise. And at this point, I already knew that Josh was coming over to do some training. Billy Joe was there at the time. And the plan was to always bring someone else in. Not that their job is to take over, but to bring someone else into it. It's a big job and a hard job training someone like Tyson. And then basically that conversation took place and a couple of business decisions had to be made. And I just sort of said, you know, I've got Billy Joe another world champion and potentially another unified world champion. You know, basically, I, you know, it's probably not for me. How hard was that for you? It was difficult. Did you feel a lot used, but most of this hardened you with the effort because that's not just a case of doing a 12-week camp or an eight-week camp. You moved in, changed the energies, tried to help mentally as well as physically. So it must have put a lot of strain in your own life because then you don't really have a life. You're living everybody else's life, try to help them. So far going through that for three years, two or three years, whatever it was. And getting slated after that by his old boy. That must have been a bit disheartening for you. Yeah, but I always think, you know, boxers get one career as coach gets lots of different fighters, lots of different careers to work with. So I never ever, you know, no fighter should go. His dad always seems spot on as well with, you listen to him talk. He's had kind of tactician as well with kind of on the ball with certain things. Some things, like the Tom Schwartz fight, I picked Tom Schwartz. I picked Tom Schwartz. I had a lad box in my German card. I watched him box and I was like, he's our man. And he told me Tom Schwartz is the wrong opponent should have picked Louis Ortiz. So it was all back in before they bowled up between you and his old boy. Put it this way, after the ESPN deal got made it started to go a little bit. That way. And like I say, you know, like, I'll say this to people, Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury is one of my best mates, one of the loveliest people on the planet. His favourite thing to do is sit down, drink a cup of coffee. Where'd you see yourself in five years is one of his questions. The other question is, if you had absolutely nothing but you had a million pound, what would you do with it? That's his two favourite things to do and ask everyone around the table. And then each day you ask him back, his answer would be different, you know, a million different answers. But the Chipsy Kings are persona, it's a character. Of course. Chipsy Kings not my best mate, you know. It's just a character. So I'll get you, you know. And the Chipsy Kings fun to be around of everyone, this is the guy that, you know. But Tyson, when he's being Tyson, one of the best people on the planet. He speaks highly of you, man. He will never forget you to the dead eyes, man. Change the guy's life. Obviously to make changes, you must want to do it yourself. But with his mindset and the right guidance, you're clearly a genius at what you do as well, man. So especially with the guys that you're working with now. But that would only enhance your career as well. Exactly, you know. Even all the bullshit that happens to the politics behind it, it still enhances your creativity. You never have a broken. You never got angry about it. You just done your thing and moved on to the next thing. That's where I believe the growth is as well because you learn a lot about yourself. Yeah, I think people learn a lot about you. If I was to then go, oh, you know, this and this and this and that, like. Nah, you do just look better. Yeah, 100%. And often that's what happens, you know. But what did I lose out on? He earns some money. He earns big money for the fight. Like, like I said, I know. And the experience. I've got years and years and years. I know I'll earn money. I already knew that I was working with two world champions. And there's the experience and the stuff about mental health and what a real champion does. But I've been missing out on that second wilder fight. How did you feel with that? Were you nervous about it still, even though you weren't part of it? Yeah, I was, but like I say, I think that the starting fast was the right thing. I just think it needed to be done the right way. And he did that. Like I said, having the conversation before, I think mentioned it on here. Like, what's happening between the punches is more important than the punches. There was a few things in this meeting that I helped with everybody. I was like, I think for him to do this, this and this is the most important thing that he needs to do. Like, his most dominant rounds before was when he did this, when he did this, when he did this. How did he push wilder back before? By doing this, by doing this, by doing this. But look. See, when you go deep like that, do you think about the moves? You're thinking about... Yeah. Can you say that? Yeah. You're going deep, man. You're thinking about, like, I don't know, your movements, like a chess player on it. I visualise it in my head. You've watched that much boxing. You've actually got it stored up there. The lads, they shadow box. But while they shadow boxing, I can see the opponent, if that makes sense. There's no one in there, they shadow boxing, but I'm like, if you did this, this would be happening. If you did that, that would be happening. Why does what you just did in that shadow boxing not make sense? Because if you did this, the opponent's not going to do what your reactions were there or what your decision to do afterwards. How do you hold pads for people at different heights from 5 feet, 7 feet, 7 feet, 6 feet, 8 feet? What height does Tyson? 6, 9 feet. 6, 9 feet. So, how does your shoulders feel? How does your energy levels keep high? Like, what is your process? Yeah, obviously you have to hold the pads a bit higher. But also the styles, what sort of style do the fire use? Does that affect your shoulders? It can do. When you get the timing, it's okay. Hands, arms, those kind of things. But the styles will determine how you hold the pads. But I still think I'm a keen believer in working on your weaknesses if everybody wants to work on their strengths. But if you're bad at doing this, let's focus on that. Let's make your weakness better. Let's strengthen that. So when you're in a situation where, like going into a fight, for example, if I was to go, you need to do this, this and this. As if everybody's going to play out, everything's going to play out for you to... All you have to do is this. Is there going to be a case if your opponent wants to put your back on the ropes? Are you never going to coach on what to do when your back's on the ropes? Let's be realistic about the fight. If it's a competitive fight, there's going to be times that your back hits the ropes if that's what your opponent wants you to do. So how we work to avoid giving your opponent what he wants when your back's on the ropes. This is what we need to do. Let's focus on this. Let's drill that. So it's working on the strengths and your weaknesses. How was Freddie Roach in your corner, as well? He was in the way with us, wasn't he? Yeah, so we went to... How did that come about? We had a media day in LA when we was in the camp in Big Bear. Went down to LA, let's use the gym. And then Big Bear just wasn't ideally out of tune than that. So we moved back down today. He let us use the gym. Took him out for the same thing. It was actually me who said, you know, he's been very hospitable for us and et cetera, et cetera. I said to Tyson, do you think we should say to him about being in the corner? Like Ricky, that's how we come about. Ricky, Ricky let us use the gym and that kind of thing. And Tyson's like, yeah, perfect, no problem. So that's sort of how that come about. You learn a lot from Freddie. He's a genius as well. Yeah. I wouldn't say so much because he didn't really get involved as much. Yeah, he didn't really get involved that much in the training and the coaching. For what he goes through and still kicks on his unbelievable as well. Unbelievable. So after Tyson, then you've got Josh, Scottish boy, flying high, Ramirez coming up, biggest fight of his life. You could potentially make him the greatest fighter in Scotland's ever produced. How's he getting on? Yeah. So Josh, like I say, when I parted ways with Tyson, I already knew that he wanted to come over and was going to have a bit of time with me, a bit of time with a couple of other coaches and that. Does that make it easier knowing that you're going from one world champion to another? Well, I already had another world champion in Billy Joe at the time. It would have been Sun Camp, the three of them all together. And so I knew he was coming over. He was going to come over for a bit of training. So he'd come over to the bar it was at first and we'd done some training. Then he went and had a bit of spell with somewhere else. And then he was like, I'd like to come have another week. So he'd come and had another week and at the end of the week he was like, I've made my decision, I want to train here. And then he can be a hard one to figure out. He's absolutely mad. I say this to him all the time. Absolutely mad. But he goes, why do people think I'm mad? He's hilarious. And it was a completely different way of coaching. I think for him. But I didn't want to change too much because he'd come as a unified world champion. So you don't want to go stop everything you're doing or change your training completely. It was a case of gradually we're going to have to make adjustments because there's definite improvements that you can make along the way. Of course there is. There's always improvements that you can make along the way. And even with his training I like to do this run, I like to do this, I like to do that. So I was like, okay, look, let's make an adjustment there. Keep that in. Make this adjustment there. For example, just one of the things was he was sort of doing his own sort of nutrition. I was like, you know, I think you need to get a nutritionist at the level that you're at. Yeah, but I'll make the weight fine. Well, nothing to do with making the weight really if you make the weight fine. That won't be a problem either. But will you be more fuelled for your sessions? Will you be more effective at when to cut your calories? When to focus on weight loss? When to focus on fuelling? And all of these things, you know, if each week, if each day you're more fuelled 1% better for your sessions, over the week of a training camp, 1% better each day, you can get 90%, 100%. Just getting your grams right on your calories, your carbs, your fats. And picking your moments of fuel for that session. Don't need too much fuel for that session. You know, all these kind of things. How do you think he's prepared for the Ramirez fight? He's good. He's very, he can be intense, Josh. And he's very much a perfectionist, which is brilliant, which I am, but he'll focus, for example, if I'm saying to him, let's focus on this at the moment. That's our focus because I want you to do this in the fight. Forget everything else, not interested in anything else. We're not at a point where everything needs to blend together. I'm not, as the fight gets closer, yeah, but I'm not massively, oh, you need to win every round sparring. I'm not interested in that. If I want you to control the spar without throwing a punch, I want you to be able to do that. Do you have a fight with? No, not really. I just think. Argyn. Oh, okay. A fight not like sparring, like fucking... Do you ever keep, like, cast off with Tyson or Josh or Billy when they're not listening right? When they're not listening right and you're cracked up? Over the just fucking knock? Yeah, there's probably been times where I've been, like, had to say what I feel, which has been negative. But, like, in terms of, Josh ain't really, you know, we're not personalities, ain't the two-point where it's going to clash. And the same with me and Billy Joe really and the same with Tyson. But there's been times where there might be, ah, you know, this, do I not mean that? Why aren't I happening? But I never get annoyed because it's a case of, I can watch that back. I can tell you already before watching it back why this happened, that happened, that happened, that you're focused on. I'll give a shout out to Lime Greger as well who's been training with you and Josh. He looks if he's up to his level as well after wanting, is it your opinion now? Yeah. He looks if he's came on leaps and bounds. Once you surround yourself with winners and world champions, you kind of know to get to that level you know what needs to be done and he sees and then he's hungry. Yeah. And Lee's one way it's been a completely, your style needs to change. That's just not what you need to be doing, what you're doing before. Like you're an absolute physical monster but you're going to give people time by standing off and posturing. You know, it's just, that's just, you don't need to be doing that. And I think there was a, where he's come out and done what he's done in a completely different style to what he's done so well, people thought, oh, hold on a minute. Lee Wood, you know, Lee Wood was much on his toes moving about and that's the common theme of a whole-bender defensive coach but even in the last four fights, Josh first round stoppage, Lee first round stoppage, world title, European title, Lee Wood, knockout, British title and Shabazz at his first fight in 80 months stoppage. So, I'm considered defensive coach only because I focus on defence. You know? It feels as if your styles change in those. You got older. But with each person, it's different. Yeah. You know? With each fighter, it's different. I just think, I would never go, and I would hate it for people to go, he's a system coach, right? If you go to him, he's going to make your box like this. Yeah. Like the way that we've got Lee box in the way we're focused on Josh doing for this fight. You know? Yeah. We'll touch on MTKs well with Daniel Kinahan. I know who you speak out very frequently of and his defence you, Billy Joel, Tyson Fury. Obviously, with the documentary being out from Panorama, it all seemed a bit one-sided. Every boxer I've had on from MTKs spoke highly of the promotion they get treated well. What's your thoughts on it all? And how hard is it as well when you get all that negative shit? It's just so cliche, innit? Like what I think, how can people that don't know the person, they've only heard stories and accusations say, this is what this person is? Like, they are just using his name to keep their self in the job if I'm being honest. Something to write about. Oh, I might get a few views. I might get a bit of interest. It's an area that's focused on, let's, you know, focus on that. Making out is for the benefit of boxing. How can you say that's for the benefit of boxing? Look how many lads he's given fights to, got fights for, opportunities for. Deals he's put together for fighters. No one that deals with him has got anything negative to say about him. And I've spent time around him. Spent time around his family. Never have I heard him even discussing all this stuff that they talk about. He's supposed to allegedly be involved in or used to be involved in or whatever like. It's just, they've got the complete picture of what he's supposed to be and what he's like. He's just night and day. He's a good man, good heart. Innit for the right reasons. Innit for the boxers. His interest isn't, well, if I get in that fight, I'm going to get a good payday out of that, or this, that and the other. Like, I know, because I know that he's done it. He would lose money to give someone an opportunity that he thinks they deserve because he's in it for the right reasons. That's why the MTK has flying. The MT Global has flying. It was over 200 feet or so now. Yeah, and you know, he's, he's like an advisor rather than the MTK situation now, but of course, you know, he helps fighters get deals, puts deals together for fires, puts deals together for MTK. Like, he has done, you know, unbelievable things for boxing and for boxers. And it's okay going, ah, I've got to put this together for that fight, put that together for that fight. With the intention of, I'm going to earn this out of it, I'm going to earn that out of it. He's just not bothered about that. Like, if you do good work, the results and the money is going to come. Um, he's focused his, I'm a man of my word. If I say I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it. There's not many of them in boxing. Yeah, there's a lot of sharks in boxing. Everybody try to fuck each other over. And if somebody's doing good, then I believe just leave them alone, let them do their thing. And if something gets bad, and if somebody's doing bad, they'll always catch up on them anyway. So. Yeah, exactly. And all this, the reporters that talk rubbish about him, he's all, ah, he's bad for the sport. Like, bad for the sport. Have you seen, like, massive part in Tyson's comeback? Was that bad for the sport? Or was that amazing for the sport? Like, what nonsense are you talking? They're the people that you should be looking at. Um. I think there's a lot of jealousy involved as well. 100%, 100%. Um. It's just so easy to, to make out they're doing it for the worrying of the best for boxing. How do you know what's best for boxing? You haven't got a clue. It's clickbait, as we are in it for the press. They mention our name then. That's exactly what it is. I mean, it's, if somebody's trying to do good in life, what happens is, they try and get mud to stick. They try and turn to somebody's name. But is that not as like, up for BBC panorama to view that the other day. They did that because they thought people's going to watch this. And they did. Not all. Let's worry about the benefit of boxing. Pfft. They're my favourite. But that's not going to stop the MTK from getting fat. That's not going to stop. If anything, watching it, talking about how he's, you know, what he's done for certain fights, you'd think, you know, and other people that was on there that was talking, you know, people start researching what happened. I think it, if anything, it's going to draw people to him. You know what I mean? I thought, what sort of job are you going to do? The media is mad. But again, as long as people can keep their hearts pure and do the right thing, but if anybody's doing bad people, always get found out anyway. But I don't, if the press can manipulate it, that's why I believe everything's always one-sided. People deserve their chance to have their say. And if big names like Tyson Fury, yourself, Billy Joel Saunders, Dan Tulls, if they're speaking highly of somebody, then it's clear that maybe somebody's actually okay, and it's just what I've heard. Exactly, and it's like... I know what it's like because I've worked with the top three pound-for-pound fighters in this country. It's like, ah, you know, it's because of this, it's because of that. Like, do you really think Tyson, Billy Joel, or Josh are going to go, I'll train with him because whatever. Do you know what I mean? They come and work with me because they think, well, he can improve me because of this, this and this. Do you know what I mean? I'm not just going to work with any old Tom Dick or Harry. Who would you like to work with, Ben? Is there any fighters you look at and go, I would love to coach him? Do you look at every fight you fight and say he should improve there, there, there and there? Yeah, like most. Like, if people... it's so easy for people to go. Do you have a message to anybody and say, I've just watched one of your fights, I think you can improve and this, this and this, or do you think now I fuck that? No, so there was a... something that I was really impressed by was I was in Vegas and walked in the gym and Devin Haney come into the gym and 20 years old, 21 years old at the time, world champion, 10 man team, punched a life out of these two sparring partners. And I'm soft-hearted me and I start saying to the sparring partners, look, what you should do is this, what you should do is that. Across the gym he went, coach, let me get something out of work, come over and I basically said, look, I fought this, I think this, I think that, blah blah blah, and he was like, Dad, come over here. And I was like, listen to what he's saying and had a conversation and then a little while after he messaged me and we had some conversation and talked about fights and things like that. And straight away I fought to myself I know you're going to do something special because that hunger has got to improve and hunger to learn and get better. And I've had a few fighters messaged me like, rather than be direct, like, can we work together? They've been a bit beat round a bush. Oh, what about this? What about that? Making contact and then it often leads into, the problem is I can't constantly go here, go there when I've got someone, fighters that are settled here. So sometimes they end up just doing like analysis bits and things like that with fighters from from over there. But there's a guy that I've really, really ranked and I've been shouting about him for a few years now, a guy called Jaron Ennis. How's it from? He's from America. He's coached by his dad. But Wait. Well, wait. But I think he's going to be the next big thing in boxing as well. Yeah. Special, special talent. Special talent. He would be a good one to work, but like I said, coached by his dad. It's a bit, I find it a bit funny to say things like, because you don't want to be like, let me name this person, Jaron Coach and Jaron Ennis. You don't want to come across like that. But as well, I think he's important like the type of people, the the personalities that you work with, like. Would you ever knock back a boxer? World title contender, world champion, if you knew. Yeah. I sort of had to recently. Yeah. Just because the dates didn't work with Josh's fight. Like me. Tykes him back in the day, but I lose cannon. But do you feel as if you've got that mentality where you could maybe change them? Yeah. Some of that level would probably be difficult if I'm honest to go. No. Someone like a Mike Tyson. Just being realistic. But I've got a lad in here who's not, you know, his goal is to win a Southern area title, but the type of person that he is, absolute heart of gold. Like just when you say heart of gold, it's said a lot, but it's based on him. Do you know what I mean? He's an absolute heart of gold and it will mean as much to me helping him achieve his goal of a Southern area title as it would any world title of one. How was your relationship with the helm? Yeah. Okay. I've never really had a conversation when I was training Tyson, but obviously spoke to him bits and bobs since then. He knows the score that sometimes you say things to draw attention, to make it a bigger fight when it does happen and things like, you know. You can also play the game. Yeah, exactly. And that's what it is. Is he really emotionally involved? You know, sometimes he's going to say things that he probably doesn't really mean, but he's going to say that because it gets people talking and makes the fight bigger. And that's what he could promote. I've got a good relationship with Frank Warren as well. Yeah. Who's Frank? He's been in the street a long time as we are, haven't he? I find him brand new. Good to work with. Sometimes, you know, I'll reach out just to touch base, how I hope things are well. He's looked after me when I've done bits for Queensbury or worked with fighters that he's got or done bits for BT Sport. I think if you're just a genuine type person, you're going to get on with most people. Yeah, that's the best way, man. See, if you fly straight, you're going to build. It's still a business at the end of the day. This is your life. So you want to be a good guy. Don't want to take no shit, but if somebody's phoning Frank, or phoning somebody, then they're going to speak highly of you. I don't know many people in the boxing game that speak bad of you. So speak highly of you. You're still young. So it's unbelievable what you're achieving. It's unbelievable what the fights you've been in and the people you've worked with at such a young age. Like I said, I feel as if you've been in boxing for fucking 20 years because you've been in that many corners. Andy McCart. Josh calls him the boxing whore. He is everywhere doing his IFL stuff. He's in their boxing fights and actual boxers. He's everywhere. It's just in their blood. It's just in their blood that's been in your blood that you just want to see results. You want to produce winners. Just before we finish up, I'll ask three fights. We'll touch on who wins out Fury and Joshua. I think, like, so what I don't really do is like predictions. I think this person is going to stop that person. Like a fight at that magnitude, it just boils down. All big fights where both fighters are capable. Tactics. Yeah, that's what it boils down to. I think the fight's completely changed in terms of 18 months ago, two years ago, we would have said Tyson's on the back for Joshua's on the front foot. I think with what Tyson done on the front foot will hold. I think there'll certainly be an element. I'm both being big guys. I'll certainly be an element of I'm not going to be physically dominated by you. And the other guy will think, well, I'm not being physically intimidated by you. So I think the first round or two could actually be an interesting one if both men are not conceding to get pushed back. I just think that Tyson's more versatile. It's a which way to fight goes where he goes on the front foot, where he goes on the back foot. I think that he's more comfortable and more versatile than Joshua. But I certainly think Joshua's showing improvements. Taylor and Ramirez, 200-feeted fighters. A top of their game, tough fight. Yeah, if Josh goes about the right way, I think it's a potential showcase performance. And I think you'll chin Ramirez. Canelo and Saunders, we've already touched on it, but I know he's a good friend. I know he's speak about the tactics and stuff, but can he win? 100% he can win. And if he does it correctly, I think it could be a real quite a solid performance. Like not a really hugely questionable type win. I think even if he goes through spells of not doing the right thing, I think he can still win. Just makes it a bit closer. It's just... Canelo, he fights a lot with his presence. He uses his presence in his aura. And the sharp change of tempo that he gives your people hugely by it on. Depending on your reaction, he then makes you pay for overreacting. But because of who he is and how clever he is, he sort of plays on that. And people end up overreacting like, oh, this is going to help. And then end up leaving gaps. And he's very, very smart at exploiting those. Going forward for the future, brother. What are your plans? Just like my passion is... Like I say, it's not about me, oh, I want to achieve this, I want to achieve that. It's just every fight I work, if I want to see them be the best that they can be. Do you ever give yourself credit? In terms of... Just taking a step back and realizing what you're achieving. Yeah, but this is my thing. This is my thing. I think... I see it like this, my job is sharpen the tools and help them select the tools that they need for that job. They're the ones that have got to go out and do it. So I always think that all the credit should go to the fighters. Do you feel as if you're constantly trying to prove people wrong because of your age as well? I just think that you're always going to get that... Oh, it's because of this, it's because of that. And funny enough, something that you mentioned before about... Don't talk bad about people who don't this, don't that. I see it all the time, these coaches and people getting on the camera giving it the tough guy talk like, I don't do that, but I think people then associate with... It's just a yes, man. I don't need to improve in front of the camera that I can be disciplinary of top level fighters. I just don't get all that, the whole, I'm the tough guy. It's about the fighters. I try and create a certain persona. I often find that a weakness when I see that sort of stuff. Yeah, of course, because silence is golden as well in a sense of professionalism just to say, okay, what happens is you prove people wrong in your results. I believe the weak talk and the strong prove and lead by example, which is again separates the winners from the losers, but it can be difficult, especially if you're in this alpha male environment, if everybody's pumped up and somebody's talking shit, then it's as easy to try and defend. Yeah, again, and exactly, I think that's the key part of what people say about our old-head and young shoulders. But that is for the boxers, people get carried away and yeah, I need to be. I need to be like... If anything, I need to be the one that says to the fighter, don't get too emotionally involved, that'll end up being used against you. Be cool, calm, collected, this is what you need to do. Don't need to talk bad about everybody, time and place where you may think, there's a time and place when you go to know what, by not doing nothing, he's going to do more. And it's just so important not to get emotionally involved in boxing. Yeah, that can be difficult, but Ben, for coming on the day, brother, and telling your story, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Can't wait to see what you do for the future. Can't wait to see Josh's fight, Billy Joel's fight and Tyson's fight and hopefully Saudi Arabia in July. That's what we're hearing, yeah, hopefully it gets done. But brother, honestly, thank you. Great coach for all my achievements and God bless you and look forward to your future.